Rebel News Podcast

00:00:00.000 and welcome to misunderstood the show for the misunderstood lady or gent we are your hosts

00:00:15.180 i'm nat and i'm kat today we're going to talk about the new trend that is drag kids y'all eating

00:00:21.520 disorders and body image but first it's time for our patented culture shock moment of the week

00:00:26.480 let's take it away nat yeah so discovery plus they just announced a new show called generation drag

00:00:34.080 which follows five teen queens sorry five teen drag queens to document their drag journey as they

00:00:41.360 quote find their identities so we're just gonna play you a little clip from that to start things

00:00:46.880 off and just get things real nice and disturbing welcome to the pink palace my lovely friend

00:01:04.320 i first discovered drag at 13. i didn't know what it was but i knew i wanted it put on the wig and the

00:01:10.800 makeup and i'm someone completely different i'm so pretty my drag name is vanessa shimmer and she is

00:01:17.920 just a force you cannot reckon with how do i parent a child that wants to do drag i never expected drag

00:01:26.320 to be a part of our lives oh my god these are so cute these are problems i never thought i had to

00:01:33.680 prepare for what i love about drag is the glitz and the glam my name is noah and i'm transgender

00:01:45.040 have you talked to mom and dad about the pictures what do you think of taking those photos down

00:01:52.640 the constant reminder that they had to pretend i was a boy do you think a mom would ever want to watch

00:02:00.800 do drag how do i explain this to my child that she doesn't fully accept nabella making friends has

00:02:07.840 been a hard thing for me to do when i'm becoming nemo whoa become more confident let me make sure you

00:02:15.520 are appropriately fluffed this transition has been difficult for them but they try and that's all you

00:02:24.560 can ask for it's important for kids to understand that they're not alone so my mom started draguton kids

00:02:32.880 and their families are coming from all over the country where we get to be our true self oh god

00:02:38.880 this is happening this is a place of love and support because we need that in this world

00:02:47.440 this is me and you better like it so critics feel the show is grooming kids um can see it yeah and

00:03:05.920 howard lee the president of tlc streaming and network originals touted the teenage drag stars commitments

00:03:12.720 to being true to themselves and recognizing the importance of living authentically yeah because

00:03:19.360 kids kids can authentic authentically be themselves pre-puberty right yeah i mean well kids are like

00:03:28.320 being a child and authentic is almost synonymous unless you have something like like you don't know

00:03:34.080 who you are going to be when you grow up like you said like before puberty but you're at least like

00:03:37.920 being a child should be about being authentic all the time and just like living and like when i was a

00:03:42.080 a kid i would just like jump in the lake with my shoes on like yeah you don't think about like

00:03:46.000 you're free spirited exactly so yeah while i like and i'm gonna say the same thing throughout this

00:03:51.280 entire episode i think kids should be allowed to dress up and play me too exploration of course

00:03:58.880 but adults um using that to profit and posting it on the internet and posting it on television

00:04:05.520 is disgusting i think yeah like these parents are literally exploiting their kids and it's like okay

00:04:09.440 if your child wants to express themselves in a certain way i mean i'm all for it but like let

00:04:13.920 your kid audition for theater musical theater i don't know you know join the arts do dance or

00:04:19.520 something you don't need to dress up with a lot of makeup in dresses to make yourself i don't i don't

00:04:26.080 know i just it doesn't really it doesn't make sense for me like i think that there are so many other

00:04:30.800 options for you as a child as a parent yeah especially because drag again like i'm going to say this

00:04:37.120 probably a couple times but drag is for adults and it's mostly adults who do it it's mostly adult

00:04:42.800 gay men who do it so like why would you put your child in a situation where there's like basically

00:04:48.160 no other children and they have to grow up so much faster and they're not going to have any peers

00:04:52.240 they're just going to be hanging out with a bunch of adults who are not their parents right and i mean

00:04:57.040 as you said it's all right if you're a consenting adult and you want to do if you want to dress up like

00:05:00.800 a woman whatever man like live your life but this show is kind of normalizing gender bending to me

00:05:05.840 like it's not healthy for a child who doesn't fully understand their own you know gender yet

00:05:11.280 or sex or other people's sex and gender yet to be exploring these things but because when you're a

00:05:17.200 kid like you're supposed to just be exploring yourself you know and discovering the world oh

00:05:21.440 that's a boy that's a girl like throwing this confusion into the mix is pure evil i think like

00:05:26.480 i really think it's evil yeah and profiting off of it yeah like why does tyra banks need to make more

00:05:31.600 money from television doesn't she have enough going on yeah and why like just go back to america's

00:05:36.720 next top model or something you know but she'll probably be like okay and i'll do it with children

00:05:40.240 it's like just leave kids out of media exactly like it we know what being in the limelight does

00:05:47.120 to children we know from and we'll talk about that more yeah like child actors and child stars yeah it's

00:05:52.720 a it's a problem it creates mental health issues except for that one that we talked about who was in

00:05:57.280 disney who's like grew up to be pretty normal but he was like the guy who was on disney and he was

00:06:00.960 like all the my female coal stars oh yeah coal sprouts yeah so like he was probably the exception

00:06:06.320 where he's like he seems okay maybe yeah all the other ones are messed up yeah great throw your kid

00:06:11.600 into that dragon's den or whatever lion's den yeah no absolutely um so there's been obviously some

00:06:18.240 backlash um and i think it's warranted uh frankly and there's there's another article that i think we

00:06:25.040 should pull up uh that's called letting an eight-year-old be a drag queen isn't progressive

00:06:29.280 it's child abuse so this i think a lot of you probably are aware of desmond is amazing or desi

00:06:36.560 i hadn't heard of this person okay yeah so they went viral a few years ago and we'll kind of get

00:06:41.120 more into who this child is um but this article was written a few years ago about this person and one

00:06:47.120 other drag kid so um this is just a quote from it that i'd like to read if that's okay um so what

00:06:53.520 concerned onlookers likely mean is that children who are encouraged to embrace their opposite gender

00:06:58.880 or who are encouraged to dress in drag when they are not sexually developed or even coherent about

00:07:03.680 sexuality may grow up to be profoundly confused about their sexuality and gender um yeah so i think

00:07:11.120 that's i really think that basically sums up my thoughts on this entire segment frankly like i just

00:07:16.560 think it's you're it's wrong to confuse kids yeah before they have any understanding of the world yeah

00:07:22.480 and i also think and we've touched on like pageant moms before but like gay or straight trans or not

00:07:29.200 putting a kid in a bunch of makeup and propping them up and taking sultry photos of them yeah making

00:07:34.640 them more mature yeah so people could be like oh well why don't you criticize pageant moms we do yeah

00:07:39.360 we literally do it's like it's weird adults who want to live vicariously through their children

00:07:44.720 because they weren't successful or beautiful or whatever yeah and you see it even without pageant you see

00:07:49.440 it with dance moms you see it with hockey dads and using your child to live vicariously to have

00:07:54.160 success that you didn't have in your own life is messed up on its own yeah but but this is like so

00:08:00.240 sexual it's it drag is a sexual art form in it in of itself yeah so putting a child in that is just

00:08:07.920 super messed up and like like the drag queen who was like yes queen it's like why don't you just find

00:08:15.200 another person to prop up instead of a child like pick any others there's 18 year olds and up who

00:08:20.640 want to be drag queens who want to be the face of your new line or whatever like go for it use them

00:08:26.080 why do you have to use the kid because you know it's controversial well especially because like kids

00:08:29.680 can't consent to this stuff they really can't because if the child is too young to have sex they're

00:08:34.000 too young to partake in things that are sexual or exploitative in any way um and i think another

00:08:39.680 thing that's really important to note here is that when a kid does something let's say little

00:08:44.720 desmond who is so desmond naples known as desmond uh is amazing is one of the kids listed in this

00:08:50.800 article and they began dressing in women's clothes at two according to metro and one of the things

00:08:55.840 desmond says is i always get a positive reaction people will clap and will be smiling when i'm done

00:09:00.640 i also do public speaking to give speeches and i always get a good reaction to that too so the point

00:09:05.760 i'm trying to make is when little desi dresses up in girls clothes and mommy goes you look so pretty

00:09:10.720 desi that's affirming him and that's what kids they aim to please they aim to please the superiors in

00:09:16.320 their life so you are planting a seed that oh i get praise when i do this so i'm going to continue to

00:09:21.520 do it and it's grooming it's wrong yeah and the fact that they're like oh adults love it yeah yeah

00:09:26.080 creepy adults yeah that like creepy adults also have child pornography on their computers yeah that

00:09:31.120 doesn't mean it's a good thing to do and yeah it makes me think like just what about a kid who

00:09:35.360 has an affinity for playing with toy guns like well that's who they authentically are let's send them

00:09:39.280 to war yeah exactly let's give them a real one yeah like because that's what they're into as a

00:09:44.000 five six year old like that's who they are no that's crazy you wouldn't do that and this is this

00:09:48.640 could be just as life damaging yeah i i agree and this desmond is amazing has also received a lot of

00:09:55.040 the parents have received a lot of backlash because this child is has been seen dancing at literal

00:10:00.560 gay nightclubs like who's watching this child it's adult gay men yeah i'm like and this is nothing

00:10:05.840 against the gay community but it's creepy for a child to be in that situation or setting it would

00:10:11.200 full stop it would be creepy for a little girl to be dancing in an adult nightclub with heterosexual

00:10:16.240 people exactly extremely inappropriate and extremely creepy and we would never do that we would never do

00:10:21.520 that because some adults like children like we have to protect children even if let's assume there's no

00:10:28.160 pedos in the audience which you can't you can't assume yeah it's still not good for the kid to be

00:10:33.120 indoctrinated into that like limelight hollywood-esque world where you know to talk to the next article

00:10:38.720 that we're going to talk about maybe it's not the next one but one of these is about um uh eating

00:10:43.600 disorders anorexia and bulimia which affects gay men and women more than the average population so it's

00:10:49.760 like so you're just gonna put your kid in that world and give them body dysmorphia if not full-blown

00:10:56.320 gender dysmorph or gender dysphoria yeah absolutely no that's a great point also like

00:11:01.760 how many drag kids are there in this world in the world this seems like a very isolating thing for a

00:11:06.480 child to be subjected to like so now your kid's gonna grow up being this weirdo who does drag

00:11:11.200 surrounded by a bunch of gay men their whole life without any real friends like that's not

00:11:15.440 that's not productive for them they need to be around kids their own age being weirdos like

00:11:19.440 i don't i just don't get why in 2022 like this is where where it is for children like this is

00:11:25.520 what's considered allegedly normal by our society like kids should just be getting dirty and like

00:11:30.640 playing in the whatever yeah yeah like yeah oh yeah but you know what i mean like they should just be

00:11:37.600 kids like and we need to preserve their innocence and i just think parents have just really screwed up

00:11:42.480 yeah well remember a couple weeks ago we were talking about how when you erase the definition of a

00:11:46.320 woman it it hurts women and then you mentioned like what happens if you erase the definition of

00:11:51.040 a child yeah it's like this is sort of that slippery slope thank goodness they're still throwing drag kid

00:11:56.880 on it sure like when is that line going to be blurred yeah they're already dancing in nightclubs it's like

00:12:04.400 yeah it's not good it ain't good yeah and i i think too like it's one thing to let your kid

00:12:09.920 play dress up and put on nail polish but it's a whole new thing to affirm a biological male child

00:12:14.080 that like that they look pretty like it's just it's not right when they are in women's clothes

00:12:18.560 or girls or post it online because these kids are so young yeah and they can't have social media

00:12:24.000 accounts of their own yeah obviously adults who are posting for them who are like it maybe it's

00:12:29.360 parents maybe it's not maybe it's older friends but like a child can't consent to their photo being

00:12:34.400 shared like that exactly you know and it's exactly i just think it's really sick and i mean walt hire is

00:12:39.600 someone who is who was a trans woman who detransitioned and this is what happened to him as a

00:12:45.520 kid his grandma would dress him up in girls dresses affirm him and then he grew up with all this confusion

00:12:51.520 and gender dysphoria and then he transitioned and detransitioned and you can learn more about him at

00:12:55.440 sexchangeregret.com but like this is what happens this is how you groom kids and it's i don't know how

00:13:01.120 many times i can say this but it's so evil it's just so belligerent and disgusting and like

00:13:06.160 demonic even like let's just preserve their innocence let's just preserve their innocence

00:13:10.960 yeah well like you just said you a kid can't consent to sex and like the example i used about

00:13:16.160 war a kid can't consent to going to war they're not allowed to vote they're not allowed to get

00:13:19.360 piercings like but this is okay yeah this is fine when they're when their soft little sponge brains

00:13:24.960 are still developing you're like you're going to affirm them and say oh you're so pretty well what about

00:13:29.200 how they look without the makeup on you ever say to to boy desmond desmond you look very good today

00:13:35.360 you look handsome you look like a smart young strong boy like maybe they are but like if you

00:13:39.840 are giving them way more affirmation when they're in drag than they are regularly maybe that's why

00:13:45.200 they want to get in drag in the first place because a lot of drag queens come like i love watching

00:13:49.360 rupaul's drag race like i'm probably well i don't think i'm the only one at rebel but i might be

00:13:53.440 one of two so you know for someone on the conservative side it's like not the most common um

00:13:58.960 um interest i've been to drag shows really surprisingly okay so i love drag it for me

00:14:05.840 brought me out of uh a time where i was very depressed and i didn't feel beautiful and i was

00:14:09.760 like if these men can cinch their weights and put on all this makeup and feel confident and beautiful

00:14:14.400 why can't i yeah on a daily basis so for me it was extremely uplifting and i really it makes me laugh

00:14:19.440 but it's dirty it's super dirty raunchy it's raunchy sometimes i'm like oh man yeah because

00:14:25.680 it's adult content yeah and that's what it needs to remain okay yeah yeah yeah i forget what my point

00:14:32.320 was but it's raunchy it's for adults and having children watching this like you know the article

00:14:38.880 about um about desmond he mentions that um what got him into it was that his mom was watching rupaul's

00:14:45.120 drag race and he was playing and he dropped what he was doing to go watch it well what like

00:14:51.120 his mom shouldn't have been watching rupaul's drag race but the kid there i agree watch it when he's

00:14:56.400 in bed yeah like it's not a normal thing to expose your child to it's it's messed up it is messed up

00:15:03.520 yeah and i i just wonder if it's like exploiting your child like this and pushing them into this sort

00:15:10.400 of i guess identity class or group of people is it going to confuse their gender identity when they're

00:15:16.880 that young and they're exposed to this and maybe this is part of the big agenda to just confuse the

00:15:22.080 hell out of kids but like i don't know like we've seen the stats like most kids who identify as trans

00:15:27.920 when they're younger de-transition or change their mind or grow out of their gender dysphoria so i don't

00:15:34.160 know maybe we should talk about this next yeah well i remember my point really quickly it's that a lot

00:15:39.520 of the contestants on rupaul's drag race like a majority of them had terrible childhoods not all

00:15:43.920 right and as as the seasons progress you see more and more people with supportive families but a lot

00:15:49.680 of them have emotional issues stemmed from terrible parents who didn't um love them for who they were

00:15:55.040 so having a kid that that who's that young who's already feeling like they need to put on all this

00:16:01.040 makeup and yeah this glossy exterior it's like so what how are you treating your kid they should feel

00:16:06.560 loved and beautiful and smart and like my parents when i was a kid they were like you can do anything

00:16:10.400 you want maybe too much but like she turned out great yeah too great no but um it's just like your

00:16:16.960 kid shouldn't need that facade at that young yeah maybe if they have a terribly troubled childhood and

00:16:22.240 maybe that's just gonna be who they are anyways even if they have a super happy family but it's it's

00:16:26.960 usually people who don't have that and so they find their family within the drag community so like

00:16:31.840 what's what's going on in desmond's house yeah he needs this so young it's sad yeah and i think

00:16:36.960 like the mother is seems to be very defensive when anyone calls her out on this maybe being a

00:16:42.160 little inappropriate it's like well if you're that defensive there's something sus going on mom

00:16:46.000 yeah okay um and we've seen this before too where kids feel you know unsafe in a household or they

00:16:51.600 don't feel like they can connect with people so they find these you know forums online we've talked

00:16:56.880 about tumblr a lot being very dangerous for young girls and as we've seen these girls and young kids

00:17:03.040 are exploited to these ideologies they you know mutilate their body they they take hormones and then

00:17:08.720 they grow out of it or change their mind or regret it and i just don't think it's worth the risk

00:17:13.600 it's not worth the risk not at that age no your breasts are like as a woman like your breasts are

00:17:19.040 developing and you're putting them in binders which i was as i was doing the research for this episode

00:17:23.360 i didn't know but it kind of makes sense that like just putting your boobs in a binder very

00:17:27.840 unhealthy it's really unhealthy yeah you can constrict your breathing it can it can physically

00:17:31.920 damage your skin yeah do all sorts of stuff and it can make your if you want to have a double

00:17:36.400 mastectomy in the future um if that's what you choose it can make that procedure not available to

00:17:42.640 you as an option for whatever reason i don't know um so it's weird it's weird to put a kid

00:17:49.280 in drag and to bind them up and to put fake penises in their little underwear like it's just

00:17:55.200 it's all so weird and it's becoming so normal and i don't like it no and i think that it's become this

00:18:02.400 way because people conservatives and christians have just been too silent about it we we were too

00:18:08.560 silent when things start this the slippery slope we just started going down and we were like oh it's

00:18:13.120 gonna be okay i need to be loving and accepting and it's like no we should have stopped it from the

00:18:17.360 start and now it's it's it might almost be too late yeah so it's really time for us to like pick

00:18:22.480 up this fight because i think the ones that weren't accepting of it were labeled as bigots yeah exactly

00:18:28.560 and like you don't want to be a bigot i don't want to be a bigot i certainly don't but it's like okay

00:18:32.240 well maybe bigotry is not what it should be called yeah called protecting kids i just don't think that

00:18:38.320 that word means anything anymore frankly um yeah let's just maybe quickly touch on this evie article

00:18:44.640 um so up to 95 of trans kids outgrow gender dysphoria with no medical intervention oh surprise

00:18:53.040 surprise so according to gallup 16 of gen z now identify as lgbt while 9.1 of millennials

00:19:02.560 do uh 1.8 of gen z identify as trans which is more than double the combined percentage of gen x boomers

00:19:10.080 and traditionalists that identify as trans so there's clearly something in the water folks

00:19:15.440 it's called public school no yeah it's called chloride or that yeah um i just think it's

00:19:21.520 interesting that like the the crazy increase in people who identify as gay or lesbian or transgender

00:19:28.080 has increased so much it's like so either they're actually increasing at a way more than natural

00:19:34.480 evolution like he would evolve over millions of years right or thousands oh like it's not it's not

00:19:40.960 two yeah it's like a long time so for that for the generational gap between these numbers to go up

00:19:48.000 that significantly something's either it's a cultural shift wrong yeah like the water like maybe alex jones

00:19:53.440 was right about the frogs or i meant that more figuratively figuratively but maybe it is literally the

00:19:58.720 water yeah or they're not yeah we're just we're just pushing this agenda on young children and

00:20:04.480 they're like oh that sounds fun like we've talked about this before with um the thing that's called

00:20:09.520 the thing yeah cognitive something cognitive development the thing that were you like young girls are um

00:20:20.000 they're part of groups and they they cognitive dissonance no well figure it out i'll post an article

00:20:26.880 and cut all this out oh like social contagion yes that's the one we nailed it so good yeah nailed it

00:20:33.920 um i definitely think it's a it's it's definitely um political agenda cultural agenda to do this to

00:20:40.800 our children as we've talked about with crt being in partnership with um queer theory like there's there's

00:20:48.720 definitely a clear-cut agenda i just can't see it any other way it's not the way god made us god did

00:20:55.680 not make us be gender confused like you know he calls men like he created men and women called it

00:21:01.760 good like that is how it's written there's really no argue you can't argue that like if you know unless

00:21:06.880 you're not a christian i guess but like i'd say you're wrong yeah so um i also thought that in this

00:21:12.720 article they pointed out something very interesting which is like a lot of um kids might be expressing

00:21:17.600 feelings of body dysmorphia and then being misdiagnosed as uh gender dysphoric so um the

00:21:25.200 difference is gender dysphoria refers to an internal conflict with an individual between the gender

00:21:29.760 they identify as and the one that they were given at birth uh their their sex at birth but body dysmorphia

00:21:35.360 defines a sense of anxiety around your body or a particular body part wherein the person with the

00:21:39.760 condition may believe that some part or all of their body is defective or wrong so right i think

00:21:44.800 maybe you agree i have definitely experienced body dysmorphia oh yeah i'm like i think most women

00:21:50.000 cores they're so big and then my friend's like what yeah no one sees that but you like when i look at

00:21:55.120 you i see a beautiful girl but like sometimes like you know i don't know what you see when you look in

00:22:00.160 the mirror maybe an ogre so clearly there's something going on in your brain right so think about how

00:22:05.680 probably i would guess i'm just going to make this number up like 90 of women have body dysmorphia oh for

00:22:11.120 sure so it's like oh my god like this my eyebrows or whatever it is and you're like all i see is

00:22:15.600 someone very beautiful in front of me so it's like so maybe people are getting misdiagnosed and

00:22:20.320 they're and they're like oh hey mom i feel wrong inside my body yeah i didn't i don't have big

00:22:26.400 boobies but when i was a kid like i loved playing sports and jumping on a trampoline so i can imagine had

00:22:30.880 i developed earlier yeah i would have been like i hate this yeah it stops me from playing hockey i can't

00:22:36.880 wear the chest guard especially when other classmates are not developing at the same pace

00:22:41.280 as you right there's always that one kid that just has that growth spurt and you're like dang susan so

00:22:45.920 i can imagine hating my body if that was the case yeah for me and sports and whatever and maybe someone

00:22:51.840 would have been like oh you hate your boobies because you're really a boy it's like no because

00:22:55.600 i want to play sports and they're annoying but like you grow into it you grow out of that like you figure

00:23:00.160 out a right bra for you and you can still like get some support yeah it works no for sure and okay you

00:23:06.080 kind of touched on this earlier but do you think that all the people who are like encouraging these

00:23:11.680 kids to do drag to mutilate their bodies and encourage them to transition before they are

00:23:17.120 you know fully developed do you think it's just that they are projecting their own insecurities

00:23:21.840 on these kids like they just want them to be actually miserable and confused because it's just

00:23:26.640 such an extremely abusive and manipulative thing for these people to do but and they don't like they

00:23:31.840 don't like the teacher that's telling the student to transition does not love that student more than

00:23:36.960 their parents no yeah like it's they're just also it's parents who do it too yeah which i think is

00:23:42.560 a projection thing like i think as you kind of called out earlier there there must be just this

00:23:47.920 weird thing where kids are just like their parents sorry are projecting their insecurities on them

00:23:53.280 absolutely you know i see it all the time all the time when your parent gets too angry that you didn't

00:23:58.080 win that soccer game or your mom is like you didn't do the right dance or yeah you're not pretty

00:24:02.000 enough yeah or whatever yeah well we know moms can be critical so it's not that they're i don't think

00:24:08.080 that most of these people are necessarily evil or trying to hurt their kids i think that they think

00:24:13.920 that they're trying to make them better and trying to vicariously live through them and that

00:24:17.440 can be just as dangerous yeah like maybe i don't want to be who you want me to be mom but it's like

00:24:21.760 like you said kids love acceptance and they will they will move in the direction of whatever the adults are

00:24:26.480 clapping for yeah absolutely that adults do it too but it's way more dangerous when it's a kid

00:24:31.120 yeah no a thousand percent so i guess this article is based off of a study by the american college of

00:24:38.080 pediatricians and as the headline reads 80 to 95 percent of gender dysphoric children accepted their

00:24:43.840 biological sex by working with a therapist and i just read the conclusion of this study which i think

00:24:48.480 is important if you don't mind me reading so uh the treatment of g gender dysphoria in childhood with

00:24:55.360 hormones effectively amounts to mass experimentation on and sterilization of youth who are cognitively

00:25:01.360 incapable of providing informed consent there is a serious ethical problem with allowing irreversible

00:25:06.800 life-changing procedures to be performed on minors who are too young to give valid consent themselves

00:25:12.400 adolescents cannot understand the magnitude of such decisions so it's funny how like a culture

00:25:17.920 that's so keen on consent and like you know all this doesn't matter if it's a kid let's just experiment

00:25:24.080 on them like it's just it's funny and we talked about this last week even how kids are just

00:25:28.800 unconsenting subjects to this crap and it's not fair it ain't fair it's not and i'm mad about it i'm

00:25:34.960 mad too yeah gosh how i don't know how we're supposed to fix it i think the best way to fix it is to not

00:25:42.640 worry about being labeled a bigot and a turf and keep talking about it yeah go to church bring your kids

00:25:48.400 to church a thousand percent because like the bible says if god is for us who can be against us so even

00:25:53.360 if like you're getting like beaten up on social media you know or whatever people start to abandon

00:25:58.960 you in your life because you're standing up for the truth you can rest assured knowing that you're

00:26:02.800 standing up for the truth and you're right you know yeah that's that that's the only advice i got

00:26:07.920 that's good advice anyway should we should we talk about health yeah i mean it ties into this

00:26:17.760 conversation nicely because a lot of these kids are going to have uh severe health problems physically

00:26:23.680 if not mentally mentally it's not physically so yeah good point messed up so um all right

00:26:30.400 nope okay there we go all right well this article is about sophie turner from game of thrones

00:26:35.920 yes who played lady sansa um she reveals the best advice she received from her companion while

00:26:41.440 in the throes of an eating disorder so she describes her companion as a live-in therapist which she must

00:26:47.440 be nice yeah to afford that right which she needed for several reasons um mostly her eating disorder when

00:26:54.720 she was working on game of thrones because she was 15 when she started that yeah so young but also i i think

00:27:00.480 you may have might have sent me the article she also had um issues from all the con the adult content

00:27:07.440 subject matter that they were filming on game of thrones because her character was particularly abused

00:27:11.840 so she was like she had to um disassociate from the content and as soon as the camera stopped rolling

00:27:18.640 she had to like sing and dance and like play and then she said she's definitely gonna have trauma long term

00:27:22.640 from what she went through yeah filming that as a young child so anyways that's a side note but this is

00:27:27.440 specifically about her eating disorder um it's i'm glad she had help yeah she was there yeah she's

00:27:34.800 lucky that she could have that level of help you know that that is a great privilege but i mean yeah

00:27:39.760 so she i think one of the things that really kind of sprung this on was the fact that she started to

00:27:43.760 get weird comments and criticisms on social media about her appearance and we talk about social media a

00:27:48.880 lot on the show um but it's like it's fair because like grown adults can't even handle those

00:27:53.680 criticisms so how can we expect a teenager in the public eye to to cope with that like it's difficult

00:27:58.800 i mean i have a hard time reading some of your mean comments sometimes no one says anything

00:28:03.280 mean but i mean i don't take it personally because i don't really care like yeah like if you had a

00:28:12.320 profile picture in your on your youtube or whatever chances are you're not more gorgeous than that

00:28:16.720 but um one of the things that her companion told her that sophie says was very helpful for her was

00:28:23.120 that this is a quote from her companion you know no one actually cares i know you think this but

00:28:27.200 nobody else is thinking it you're not that important which is kind of mean it's like you're not that

00:28:30.960 important but it's true it's like that's so true that's what we were saying about body dysmorphia when

00:28:36.000 i look in the mirror and i'm like oh my god like this nostril is bigger than this one or like my ears for

00:28:40.640 instance that i freaking hate they're like they're fine yeah well i don't see it that way but you're like no

00:28:45.680 one cares about you that much that they're like ew her ears are too weird or whatever but it kind

00:28:50.400 of just stems from our culture which is like this self-love thing it's like it just keeps you solely

00:28:55.200 fixated on yourself and it's like it's so self-centered and you know like people are too busy worrying about

00:29:00.480 their own lives to give a crap about your ears or my double chin or whatever you know and i think one

00:29:05.680 of the things that i just thought of about this article is that like in general we just need to

00:29:09.680 normalize like weight fluctuations in teens too because like i've had weight fluctuations like

00:29:15.680 young girls like she was 16 when she started the show of course her body's gonna change like that's

00:29:19.600 normal like it's just normal we need to not like criticize young girls for gaining or losing weight

00:29:25.760 unless it's extreme and they're in danger yeah and then you take them to the hospital like i was

00:29:30.560 straight up ugly in high school me too thank god honestly thank god that plastic surgery no just kidding

00:29:36.720 thank god social media wasn't oh i know it wasn't it wasn't as prevalent when we were growing up

00:29:41.040 i got uh facebook for the first time when i was in grade 12. right oh by then i had already kind of

00:29:46.880 become hot so yeah so i was fine but um these kids are growing up now and they're like going through their

00:29:52.640 awkward teen chubby phase where they get their like i got my eyebrows waxed once and they were like

00:29:57.280 way too thin and it was horrible or pimples like pimples yeah oh my god yeah like awkward bras awkward

00:30:03.760 outfits that you're like oh like i'm dressing like a kid but like i'm a teenager and it's like

00:30:08.800 awkward and your parents are still buying you kids stuff and you feel just so awkward it's the

00:30:12.240 worst time it's literally the worst yeah and so to have be in the eye of the public like sophie was

00:30:18.960 and to have literally like people if people are trolling us like we're literally nobody yeah it was

00:30:24.400 on game of thrones which is one of the most popular shows of all time yeah ever and she was a beautiful

00:30:28.800 like she's gorgeous she's so beautiful so for people to be like criticizing her and then how is

00:30:34.480 she supposed to deal with that it's awful but it's just jealous trolls yeah that's the thing it's the

00:30:38.800 same thing with like these weirdos projecting their crap on kids that's what that's what's going on here

00:30:43.920 in the world there's if you're insecure just shut your mouth like go work on yourself honestly like

00:30:50.000 go find jesus because you're not doing anything fruitful for the world by criticizing someone

00:30:55.600 especially taking the actual time to comment yeah especially a teenager you creep yeah like

00:31:00.640 it's just so ridiculous those people are not watching our show you are watching our show no

00:31:06.960 our viewers are nice people yeah they're lovely we love you guys thank you for your support um

00:31:12.080 but yeah i don't know i i just think like when people are in the spotlight at that young of age

00:31:17.520 of an age it just puts so much pressure on them to be thin and i think there needs to be more

00:31:22.400 of a normalization of just like your body is your body too you know and not like obviously

00:31:28.080 there's a line where it's like you're too skinny you're too yeah you know and you're like you're

00:31:32.400 you need intervention because you have a problem but it's like those are extremes that most people

00:31:37.040 aren't falling in yeah category and let's just normalize the rest of us yeah you know yeah we look

00:31:42.320 great we look fine i also think it's weird that like sophie turner was 15 when she started on game

00:31:48.160 of thrones which is like you know not so young you're three years away from me yeah but not like

00:31:52.480 an olsen no so i think it's so weird like i was watching some show the other day and there was like

00:31:56.720 a newborn in it and i was like who's baby is that like i hope it's someone on set who's like

00:32:02.400 i just gave birth to this i work on the show i know everybody here i trust everybody here but

00:32:06.720 is it like are people giving their kids up to hollywood for the chance that their kid can make

00:32:12.800 money like it's super creepy and like we need them for the plot but it's like we're sacrificing

00:32:17.760 these children for our entertainment and not caring if they grow up messed up and letting a creepy

00:32:22.880 dirty actor hold them those people are filthy like who knows where they've been yeah it's super weird

00:32:28.960 like i think didn't will smith use his own kid in one of his movies yeah the pursuit of happiness yeah

00:32:34.800 okay at least he's like when his like at least will could hold his kid and be like okay we're gonna do

00:32:39.840 and kiss his kid yeah kiss your head like that's normal for him but it's like most of the time it's

00:32:44.720 not the actual dad in the scene with you yeah like and where are the parents they're just like oh i'm so

00:32:50.720 proud of like my two-year-old boy and they're doing like emotionally intense scenes like adult subject

00:32:58.000 matter it's weird it is weird why do we can we not just like not we should just i just think no kid

00:33:04.400 should be in entertainment and i that's actually funny because sophie actually touched on that in her

00:33:08.080 interview she said she doesn't want her child to professionally do anything until she's 18 and

00:33:12.400 she doesn't believe in becoming a nepotism child which i really appreciate that's such a good take

00:33:17.520 yeah i was like such a good take because like you know you need to take kids need that pressure

00:33:22.960 alleviated you know you don't need to become an actor because mommy and daddy are and just in general

00:33:28.320 kids should just not be in entertainment i really just think that we could do without them yeah we don't

00:33:34.000 need them you could say like oh i have children but you don't need to show them or if you do maybe

00:33:38.480 they're people's kids that work on the production and they're they're around all the time they know

00:33:42.480 everybody and but i still even it's weird to have like kids like you said can't consent to most things

00:33:48.880 but they can consent to being in these weird scenes on tv just for like yeah the season because it's so

00:33:54.560 important for the plot what about even like kids in horror films like they don't know what they're

00:33:58.960 doing and now they have to now in retrospect they're like dang it i played that creepy demon

00:34:03.840 child and that's on my resume forever and sophie turner here is saying like yes i'm going to be

00:34:08.240 traumatized from the things that i like some of the scenes that she was in were like really

00:34:12.000 traumatized yeah it's a gruesome show for sure um why did you need to be so young and that's why you

00:34:17.120 know when um my sister and i used to not used to be an actor too like we know that they they often use

00:34:23.040 like 20 year olds to play high school kids and at the time i was like why is that well it's because

00:34:27.360 you don't want actual 16 year olds doing sex scenes and and having like conversations about

00:34:31.440 abortion and death and suicide it's gross and weird and they should be protected from that

00:34:35.520 it is gross but do you also think it's kind of creepy that consenting adult like adults are doing

00:34:40.400 things then they're dressed up as teens and it's like so it kind of makes it seem like oh i'm young

00:34:45.520 and i can do this but this is normal but it's like no these are actually adults doing this like so

00:34:50.720 there is like i agree with you but there's also like there i think hollywood's just really freaking

00:34:54.880 creepy just really creepy i watch nature documentaries we should just watch nature

00:34:59.520 or the bible series that you're watching on youtube you know they're so good they're

00:35:02.960 collection on yeah you can watch all the movies for free they're great but no like and i mean

00:35:08.480 just a personal anecdote i once auditioned for a movie and i had to give birth and i was like 15 years

00:35:15.440 old and they were like all right let's do it and i did it and then they're like can you relax a

00:35:20.320 little more i was like i'm giving birth to strangers i'm six like i'm 15 years old like

00:35:26.480 didn't get the part yeah but it's for the best i once quit a show because well it was a movie it

00:35:31.840 was a short film and i i was like 20 something but i had to make out with someone and i was like

00:35:37.280 i thought that it was fake kissing because i had never done it before and they're like it's not fake i

00:35:42.320 have a boyfriend like i was like oh i have to make out with this dude and and there's a camera

00:35:49.280 in my face and i i did it for the rehearsal and then the next day was like oh i have mono and i

00:35:53.040 can't be in the show and they probably all have to get tested you thought they were fake i thought

00:35:59.520 it was like no no you need to tongue each other and i was like ew yeah are you serious you don't

00:36:05.360 know where their mouth's been that's why i said actors are filthy kissing is very intimate i don't

00:36:09.040 it is some rando yeah it's gross like maybe i'm for like creepy pervy directors by the way they're

00:36:14.080 all these male creepy executive producers and they're like oh can you do this nude scene for

00:36:19.280 free and you're like no i can't literally they're like partial nudity yeah and it's no money you don't

00:36:24.240 get paid yeah cool and i was like there's gonna be a hundred other girls who will do it and if i

00:36:29.040 don't say yes i'm out so i was like i'm out i just quit i quit acting i was i was like i'm done yeah

00:36:33.680 so here i am here we are and um those that was our personal anecdote for the day um i'm good i have

00:36:39.600 more pause for an ad break no i'm just kidding okay so let's move on to maybe our next one about

00:36:47.040 victoria beckham this is a really good this is another based take i liked it i appreciated it

00:36:53.040 she is a very elegant lady she's gorgeous so she says the goal to be really skinny is an old-fashioned

00:36:59.920 attitude that shouldn't be an aspiration for young women so i guess she has a fashion line

00:37:07.680 and um it's very expensive i cannot afford it i literally want the dress that she's describing

00:37:11.920 yeah that tight knit dress yeah i know it's great 50 pounds that's it if someone could send if you want

00:37:17.280 to buy us some stuff we will take it e-transfers to misunderstood at rebel news um so i guess she

00:37:24.400 launched a new new jersey dresses and stuff and she got a lot of inspiration from time spent in miami as

00:37:29.520 she hinging she's a conservative um with her family where she noticed a lot of really curvy women

00:37:34.320 really own it there and she just appreciated their beauty and like how they show off their bodies with

00:37:39.440 confidence which i really appreciate because you know she's she's from like the 90s where everyone

00:37:44.560 was like hero and super skinny yeah and so it's nice to see her have this more healthy approach um and

00:37:51.520 to not you know put the same pressure that was on her on young women yeah that's what i really appreciate

00:37:55.760 about it i do think it's like the wording that she used was like it was i mean she said something

00:38:04.080 about like it's not all about being super skinny she's like you want to have boobs and a butt and

00:38:08.320 it's like okay well that's also putting people in a box yeah not everyone has like when you say like

00:38:14.160 accept all body types like some women are they don't have like curvy hips and giant yeah and giant

00:38:20.560 butts we're not kim kardashian exactly well she's not even kim kardashian no like like so it's while

00:38:26.640 it's helpful to expand the definition yeah what's beautiful and sexy and in vogue it's still super

00:38:33.040 limited to having a perfect proportion yeah i wonder if she just misspoke because she also did say that

00:38:38.480 she's happy that her daughter can witness women who are comfortable with their natural figure okay that's

00:38:43.840 so but i do agree like we just the thing is like just we just need to abolish extremes when it comes to

00:38:49.200 um voyeurism when as it pertains to the female body you know i just no extremes no don't put women in

00:38:56.720 a box and she is so influential yeah that it's really refreshing to hear someone like her who has a

00:39:02.240 fashion brand talk about this because maybe she's going to and i think she has already with these new

00:39:06.880 jersey dresses it sounds like new jersey yeah they're new jersey dresses and they're jersey dresses that's

00:39:12.400 cute yeah yeah but um i think it's interesting because she might actually make clothes that fit different

00:39:18.080 shapes yeah instead of like because you know like club monaco like i love club monaco clothing but

00:39:22.240 they are made for like tall super skinny giraffes yeah giraffe ladies and i'm like i can't it's not

00:39:27.760 it doesn't fit i'm like a stump you know it's not gonna work i'm literally like an elephant in my clothes

00:39:32.560 like i'm like so you'll see um so it's nice that she's gonna maybe take into consideration different

00:39:42.160 body shapes and types when designing clothes yeah like you know because like as we said like you don't

00:39:48.000 have to be a size here to be beautiful women's bodies vary um but you know yeah i just think balance

00:39:55.280 just a balanced approach we need to see that more from people who have influence i think yes you know

00:39:59.840 we're talking to you kim we're talking to you kim and maybe we're talking to you a little bit too

00:40:05.120 jordan yeah jordan peterson jordan peterson yeah this was uh i think last week or this this is this week

00:40:11.440 early last week it's been a long week it's been a week you guys oh it will be last week when the

00:40:15.680 show comes out yeah we're doing this early last this is last week right jordan peterson widely mocked

00:40:21.200 after calling sexy swimsuit cover authoritarian it's a big word yeah so this is um i i love jordan

00:40:29.760 peterson but just he's great yeah just because you love someone doesn't mean that you have to

00:40:34.560 agree with them or defend them all the time yeah you shouldn't agree with anyone 100 ever definitely

00:40:39.840 if you are you're not doing your research exactly just like the same thing when people say like trump

00:40:44.880 people it's like you're just going to defend everything he does or biden you're just going

00:40:47.680 to defend like let's not do that it's wrong you have to be able to see things more nuance exactly yeah

00:40:53.280 he's speaking like he's speaking for everyone and that's what's wrong with it it's like yeah beauty is

00:40:58.480 subjective it is and like for me i was like men are not the arbiter of what is it isn't beautiful

00:41:04.320 and like who the hell are you jordan peterson to tell me what's beautiful like you're not like

00:41:08.880 george clooney like i'm sorry like stop like i hate i'm sick of these ugly men pointing fingers at

00:41:14.000 what's who it is and isn't beautiful like you have no right to tell me your people or other women like

00:41:19.200 it yeah it doesn't mean that others won't and that other women won't look at her and say wow she's

00:41:23.600 beautiful because the the model is beautiful like she's plus size like her face is great she's still

00:41:29.680 like so be like so beauty is subjective but but peterson would argue and i would agree there are

00:41:35.280 still objective standards of beauty that people look to like facial symmetry and like curvature of

00:41:40.560 your of your silhouette absolutely but this girl still falls into that category beautiful she's not a blob

00:41:46.880 no she's beautiful i guess maybe i understand some backlash because it is like a sports magazine

00:41:53.440 so but but even so like women of all sizes are athletic yeah like usually girls who play sports

00:41:59.600 aren't the ones who are on sports illustrated absolutely yeah i mean kim kardashian recently

00:42:03.760 exactly i bet she can't even throw a rubber ball no like probably not so so maybe this girl like yeah so

00:42:10.160 i was thinking the same thing but it's like this the magazine is not called like fitness pro yeah like

00:42:15.840 we're like abs galore yeah exactly like she shouldn't be on abs galore because she's not

00:42:20.720 she's not super ripped but like we need to start that magazine and we will not be on it um sports

00:42:27.920 illustrated sports like she could be any sort of athlete like it's true she could be shot put for

00:42:34.240 all you all know okay like those girls aren't like stick thin with giant boobs wearing a thong on the beach

00:42:39.200 like weird and okay what about the fact though that men who are ugly get to still remain

00:42:45.760 on the news in film and all this stuff and no one cares but women are the only ones who have to be

00:42:50.240 slender and beautiful and you know just objectively conventionally gorgeous like i don't like this

00:42:56.560 standard and i i may seem a little like feminist of us but like i it just really irks me that men get

00:43:02.880 to do this but like if we do it it's like oh it doesn't matter because he's a man who cares yeah you

00:43:06.960 know yeah i don't know no i totally agree with you it irks me it irks it's irking and i really i mean is it

00:43:14.400 authoritarian maybe it could be if you know it was someone who was like very very obese like 700

00:43:21.200 pounds yeah like tess holiday you know and they're like this is not even authoritarian it's like a

00:43:24.640 crazy leftist yeah we're trying to it's normalize modern where it's like like you're trying to

00:43:30.720 completely abolish the definition of what beauty is like i'm sorry tess she's super fat yeah so fat

00:43:37.200 and no she is though she's like unhealthy like there's no way her organs are not but she is

00:43:42.320 anorexic so you've got to be sorry but like this woman is not even close yeah not even in the same

00:43:48.560 hemisphere so yeah and i mean as we were talking about like anorexia do you think that like when we

00:43:53.120 talk about women's bodies like this like this kind of negativity towards this uh model what's her name

00:43:58.160 new me something you mean you knew me anyway it doesn't matter uh but talking about a beautiful

00:44:06.880 woman like that don't you think that makes other women compare themselves to this person like well

00:44:10.560 i don't sorry thank you well i don't look like this so maybe i'm ugly so i need to change myself

00:44:15.200 i maybe oh i'm that weight but everyone thinks this is ugly maybe i need to be anorexic like helpful

00:44:20.400 jordan it's not like helpful obviously we are pro-health take feeding your body well exercising you know

00:44:27.040 whatever she doesn't look unhealthy she doesn't look unhealthy though that's the thing like sorry

00:44:31.520 that she hasn't she has some body fat on her like that doesn't necessarily make her unhealthy like

00:44:36.400 she's not obese she's not anorexic like she a lot of women fall into that yeah category like true

00:44:43.200 i think if like have you ever seen those photos though of like the 1970s like what the average

00:44:48.160 person looks like everyone's super shredded yeah like i do think that people like i know for a fact

00:44:52.960 that the average bmi has gone up significantly which is a problem it is a problem so i see the

00:44:58.240 point in like let's not normalize obesity but this is not obese like it's she's just not no so sorry

00:45:04.160 she's not sorry jordan so uh you know just think before you tweet well he's not going to be tweeting

00:45:09.040 anymore because he's a soy boy who left sorry i do really like you jordan but like bad take okay well

00:45:15.200 he's been super spicy on twitter lately which i think has been great but when you're that spicy and

00:45:19.360 off the cuff on twitter you're bound to f up yeah and he did so that's the price you pay like when

00:45:25.280 you don't think before you tweet yeah the price you pay it's great people won't get mad people

00:45:29.920 won't get mad people won't get mad and you know what just take it with a grain of salt jordan it's

00:45:34.640 not the big no it's not that big video okay it's really not like you're a married man you don't need

00:45:38.240 to be attracted to it anyways yeah that's true good point anyway anyways i think that's the show

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Miss Understood No. 15 — Stop Dragging Kids Into This