Miss Understood No. 18 — Raising Red Flags About Porn
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Kat and Nat talk about Kris Jenner and how she's the perfect example of a "toxic mom." They also discuss the correlation between porn and murder, and how the Kardashian family exploits their children in order to profit off of them.
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Hello and welcome to Misunderstood, the show for all you culturally and politically misunderstood
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ladies and gents. We are your hosts. I'm Kat. And I'm Nat. And today we're going to
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be talking about toxic moms, looking at you, Kris Jenner. And then of course, we're going
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to switch things up a little and talk about the lighthearted topic of the correlation
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between porn addicts and murder. Anyway, we're going to start things off with our patented
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going to love you. Okay. All right. I think that was good. We're going to move on. We're
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going to move on. Let's talk about toxic mommy. Let's do it. Let's do it. So this first article,
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I think this is the one article that we're going to like. Yeah. Reference the most. Yeah.
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So this is from Evie Magazine. You know we love Evie. Sorry. My hair is just. Oh. Okay.
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Anyways, the article title is, Thanks to Kris Jenner, the Kardashian sisters are the definition
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of mommy issues. Yes. Yes. Yes. It was an interesting read. It was an interesting 12 minute
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read. Yeah. 12 minutes. And I don't think we want to spend too much time specifically on
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Kris necessarily. Not necessarily. I think that she's just the perfect example of a toxic mom
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because I think a lot of people are like, oh, a toxic mom, you know, I have a list here
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of some like telltale signs that a mom is toxic and it's like controlling, manipulative, humiliates
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you, invalidates your feelings, et cetera. But I also think there's a side that's a lot more
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sinister where you can't necessarily see it as clearly that a mom is toxic. And I think that
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Kris Jenner is the perfect example because she's overbearing. Um, she's, she wants to
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be her kid's best friend. You know, she like, she like markets her children as products.
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I'd call it exploiting. Yes. Exploiting. Frankly. Yeah. She exploits her children. Definitely.
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And, um, maybe they like it though. That's, I mean, we'll get into that. Yeah. I think they
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probably like it a little too much, which is also like, hello, red flag. That's a red flag.
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Red flag. Yeah. Um, I mean, you know, she takes 10%, a 10% cut of all of her kids' business.
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Amateur. Yeah. She's the, she's so rich. She is so rich. And she never had to show her
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vision. Yeah, it's true. She just let Kim do it for her. Yeah. I mean, when, and she's
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worth $190 million. Now I wonder if she was worth that when the show, when that sex tape
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was released, I have a feeling not so much. Yeah. And she's famously quoted as saying, um,
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I wrote it down, but it's like, she said, I never have spent a dollar of my own or I've
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never worked or something. Like, what did she say? Oh, I don't know, but that. I wrote
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it. That must be nice, Chris. Yeah. Must be nice. Um, should we give a little context
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then about her? Yeah. Let's give some context. Okay. Do you have notes? I have a few notes.
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You got a few notes? Yeah, I got some notes. All right. Take it away. Okay. Well, Kris Jenner
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was only 17 years old when she met her first husband, Robert Kardashian. That's young. And
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she was apparently dating someone else at the time. Yeah. Classic. Classic. Um, she, okay. Here's
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the quote. Right here. Yeah. She's quoted as saying, uh, she's never paid for anything
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in her life. Gosh, that's the dream, isn't it? That's the dream. Um, great. Uh, so I
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guess her claim to fame though is through the famous OJ Simpson trial, which took place in
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1995 where her husband, Robert Kardashian, her now ex-husband, uh, was one of the lawyers.
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And apparently Kris had a rumored affair. Was he a lawyer or just a friend? He was a lawyer.
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Okay. Yeah. Well, he is a, well, was a lawyer. Yeah. I didn't know. I thought he wasn't
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actually one of the OJ Simpson lawyers. Oh, maybe not. I think he's just a lawyer and
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they're family friends. Yeah. I think you might be right. Yeah. Um, cause they were
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friends with, uh, OJ's wife. Yeah. And they went on vacation together. Right. And there
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is a rumor unsubstantiated, uh, that there was a steamy hot tub sesh between Kris Jenner
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and OJ Simpson, which led to the divorce from Robert Kardashian. Nice. Unsubstantiated, but
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widely known. And you know, I don't know about you, but to me that just sounds like
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a completely ethical woman. Yeah. She sounds great. And she's also known, uh, she's been
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open about having a two year. Multiple affairs. Yes. At least one other affair that she's
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acknowledged that lasted two years while she was married. Right. As well. So she's, she's
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an upstanding citizen. And then of course, you know, after her messy divorce, uh, where she
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was cut off financially from Robert, uh, she married Bruce, now Caitlyn Jenner, five
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months, I think after six months, six months after they started dating. Um, which was like
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six months after her divorce. Right. Yeah. So that's, so I guess money was tight and she
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just needed a new boo to, uh, to buy her some Dior. I don't know. Transgender or not. She
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needed a new partner. Yeah. Well, anyway, um, so basically I just think the, like, she
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she's a bad, she's set been setting a bad example for her daughters forever. Yeah. And
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you know, we, we don't know what's in her heart and like, maybe she has, maybe she has
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atoned for her past behavior. Yeah. Like it's possible. I've never heard, I've never heard
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her speak on it. No. Saying, you know, I was a horrible person and I did this and this
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and now I've seen the light and I want to move forward with my life. Like that's one thing
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I've never heard that, but maybe we can't write it off. Yeah. No, of course. Only God
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knows. Exactly. It's possible that she has, um, you know, atoned for her sins. Maybe
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not. Yeah. Um, but it was the, you know, we've mentioned the, the sex tape release of
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Kim Kardashian. In 2007. Yeah. With Ray J, who I don't really know who that is. Me
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either. But Kim Kardashian was only 23 at the time, y'all. She knew him. Yeah. Allegedly.
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Yeah. Very well. Intimate. It's just hard to imagine like, and we're not like, this is
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going to sound judgmental, but it's hard to imagine having a sex tape. It is very
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difficult for me to imagine. And then it's hard to imagine being like, Hey mom, I have
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this sex tape. And then mom being like, excellent. Like, yeah, because we can profit. Well, and
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the thing is like Kim Kardashian had learned, I think a lot from Paris Hilton. Yes. That's
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what kind of made the release the sex tape. Right. And Paris Hilton. I mean, I actually
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think I have a lot of respect for Paris Hilton off the record, but, um, this is not
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off the record. It's on the record now, but, but, um, she, she worked for Paris Hilton.
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And so she was like, well, this made Paris a huge success. I am a D-lister. I want to
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play with the big wigs in Hollywood. So maybe this will work for me too. And I guess there
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is an, um, unauthorized biography of Kris Jenner called dirty, sexy money. The unauthorized
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biography of Kris Jenner, where the author claims that Kris was there every step of the way as
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a middleman was brought in to market it to an adult entertainment company. It being the
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sex tape. Uh, one insider told the, the authors that they'd even seen Kris Jenner's signature
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on the contract because basically it's illegal for a porn company to release this, a video,
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a sex tape like that without the performers or consent. So performers, performers consent.
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Yeah. So they needed this signed, uh, they needed a signature from Kim Kardashian. So they
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can't just like take it and, you know, I'm just reiterating what you said, but they can't
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just take it and post it on the internet without their consent. So not like Pornhub, which we'll
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talk about. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Um, so someone from the family knew and there was a lawsuit,
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uh, apparently the Kardashian family, the Kardashian Jenner family sued the production company,
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but they settled out of court privately and no one knows the details of it. So it's, you know,
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not outside the realm of possibility that it was a, it was just a, an act to be like,
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how dare you? That's so, I'm so embarrassed. Oh, outrage. Shock. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for the,
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thanks for the show though. Yeah, no, definitely. Yeah. And then of course, like after the,
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this debacle kind of came to be the, they signed with, um, what's his name's production company,
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Ryan Seacrest production company. And then, and hence keeping up with the Kardashians was born
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and it's still alive today. Yes. Yes. And they're so rich. They are so rich and it's so HD. The
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production isn't anyway, that's beside the point, but so, okay, what does this have to do? Everyone
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watching this is going to be like, I don't care about the Kardashians, but what does this have
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to do with toxic moms? Well, first of all, you all secretly care. Cause if you comment about
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something, you clearly care. Um, so there's this quote from the article. So what's the proof,
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I guess that Chris has said a bad example. So although they've certainly had much success in
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their careers, unfortunately the same can't be said for their romantic relationships and mental
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health up until this point, not a single one of them has had a successful marriage. Three of them
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have kids with men who weren't their husbands and Kelly Jenner's appearance has transformed
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dramatically over the years to reveal what some would say is a completely different person.
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I would say that. Yeah. I mean, Kim, Kim's had three failed marriages. Yeah. Courtney was in like
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a nine year relationship with Scott where they had children. Um, Chloe keeps dating cheaters and going
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back to them. That's really sad. And Kylie got pregnant at 20 outside of marriage and her,
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Travis Scott is like, she's had a new face put on her face. She got a new face. Totally new face.
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Like they've all had work done. Yeah. All of them, but she's got a totally new face. It's
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like really sad. It is sad. It's terrifying. And she's so young. My God. Yeah. So, I mean,
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these are not, I know they're like the, the article says they're financially successful,
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but like they're not healthy people. Yeah. They're not productive. Normal. No. Like they
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can't, they can't do what like normal people are supposed to do, which is get married and have
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babies and set a good example for your children. And I think it's Kris Jenner's fault. Yes. Well,
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yes. I mean, their father is no longer here too. Apparently, um, he was super against being in the
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limelight and he really valued hard work. And I will say like anyone who knows me knows my family.
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We have a rich history of divorce. Like my parents have been divorced like a thousand times each,
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like a billion times. It's, it's a, it's a joke, but I would say that's not as I think anyone would
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say that's not success. Like we're not kidding ourselves and thinking like, Oh, the more divorces you
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have, the better off you are. Like every, I think, and especially for me, like I hope to have one
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husband and a family solid unit. And I think if people are going to get triggered by saying like,
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Oh, divorce, like I'm the one I should be triggered because you know, I've, I've lived through multiple
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divorces, but it's like, it's, no one can argue that that's a nice thing for children to go through.
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Well, you were a child that went through that. So you know exactly how these children are going to
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feel. I mean, I'm super messed up. You're she's not, she's good. She's turned out great. Um,
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but like now all of the Kardashians kids are not going to grow up with proper dads in the house.
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Like it's just a mess. It's a mess. And to be fair, their dad died. So it's not like, Oh,
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I mean like their kids. Yes. True. Yeah. Yeah. Like they are all have issues with men. All of the
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Kardashian made a comment about how like they, they don't have a father in their life. It's like,
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well, he died. Yeah. That's not, he died of cancer. Yeah. That's not really fair. That's not really
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their fault. I would not. Plus like they really, they really hold him too. Yeah.
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Yeah. Like he's well revered in that family. Um, they really respect him. So it's, yeah. Um,
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so you've watched the show, right? Yes. I've never watched it, but I know there's this one clip that
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I did see of a great example of toxic mommy where it's like a really early season where Kylie is
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super young and she's supposed to be in high school and she's like run away from home or something like
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less dramatic than that. But she's walking down the street and Kris Jenner's chasing her with the
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production company in her SUV. And she's like, come on, talk to me, just get in the car. And Kylie's like,
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no. Like she's like having a panic attack. She's like, no, I don't want to go to school. Mom.
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Like just listen to me. Never listen. Like, yeah. Uh, Kendall doesn't want to go to school. I don't
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want to go to school, but I have panic attacks. And her mom is like, instead of being like, can we
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cut this scene? Like my daughter's having a moment here. She, they keep it rolling. And like, it's hard
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to imagine that. I think Kylie was, I mean, I'm guessing like 16 at the time, like she's still in high
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school. So she couldn't have been more than 18. They were very young. So I can't imagine that at that age,
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she was like happy to have that moment broadcast on television. Like we all, anyone who's had
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anxiety knows it's like embarrassing and painful. And like, you don't really want that moment to be
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on TV. So to say like, Oh, she was in on it. It's like maybe, but like toxic mommy, you could
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have cut the scene. You could have said like, that's enough drama for this scene. Like go watch
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Kim get her like bikini wax, you know? Like we don't need, it's just so toxic. It's so toxic.
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Like your daughter's going through something. They were young when they signed onto the show,
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like that they were too young to be able to consent or know what they were signing up for.
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I'm talking about Kendall and Kylie. Like, it's just not fair. They're like, Kylie was like nine,
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right? That's the thing. And so that means their whole lives have been, they've been growing up in
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the spotlight forever. That's so not fair. Like kids just can't consent to that. And obviously it's,
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it's clearly screwed them up. I mean, Kendall seems to have come out the most normal,
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but even she, like I was, I saw some article that was like the Kardashian. I mean, they put
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her into the Kardashian like umbrella, but they were like the curse of the Kardashians. Like
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they apparently, even she can't like keep a man for too long. Yeah. Or maybe they can't keep her.
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I don't know what it is. Yeah. No, it's true. None of them. Yeah. She, I couldn't really name any of
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her boyfriends really. So I, that's a good point. Yeah. I don't know. To be that rich. So I think
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the point of this conversation is not really necessarily about Kris and the Kardashians per se. It's just
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that like, I think a lot of times we talk about toxic masculinity and stuff like that, but toxic
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motherhood, I think there's something to be said about it. Yeah. I mean, it goes back to the Oedipal
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mother. Like it's a classic archetype of the mother who is so controlling and won't let her children
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grow up because she needs them in her life and she ends up destroying them. Yeah. And I think a lot of
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millennials suffer through this because I've seen a lot of like growing up a lot of my, not even my
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friends, but just like my classmates and stuff, their parents, specifically their moms tried so hard to
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stay young and cool that they were, they tried to be their child's friend. No, you know, like
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like in mean girls. Yeah, exactly. And it's like, that is a side of toxic motherhood that I don't
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think we see that much. I mean, Kris Jenner is a perfect example of that. I mean, like Khloe
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Kardashian literally lives across the street from her and sees her every single day. She sees her mom
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every single day. She's not like 90 and dying. It's just like, don't you have a life? Yeah. Like
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you're a mom too. Anyway. Um, but yeah, like, I think like, it's just, it's something that I think
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more people need to talk about. Um, and I think there are a lot of signs that a lot of people are
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unaware of. Like maybe this isn't toxic to you, but it actually is. I don't know. You know what I mean?
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Like, yeah. Do you have the sign? I have the sign. Do you want to read them? Yes. Okay. I want to
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know. Do tell. Okay. Um, so some of the signs of a toxic mom that some people may not know. Uh,
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so she always has to be right. She ignores your boundaries. She enables dependence. She oversimplifies
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your problems, gets mad at you for being emotional, claims you are overreacting. Every conversation
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leaves you feeling upset. She minimizes your achievements. She wants to be your best friend.
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You're the one always apologizing. She is always the victim. She cries to get her way. She's super
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critical. She lasted lashes out when she's upset. She wants you to fix her problems. She wants to
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control you and your siblings and you have to walk on eggshells around her. Sounds like a nightmare.
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Sounds like a nightmare. Yeah. But some of those things seem like they're not that big of a deal.
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Like, Oh, my mom wants to be my BFF. What's wrong with that? Well, it's like, well, if you're too dependent
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on your mom, you're not an independent. And we talked about this in terms of, uh, Lorelai and
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Rory Gilmore. Yeah. Like, um, you know, we, I, I watched that episode of ours and we were like,
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Lorelai is the worst mother. She's not the worst. I've been rewatching the show. It's not the worst,
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worst mother, but there are that exact thing is that she wants to be Rory's best friend. And
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it's at the detriment of Rory because a Rory couldn't go to university without having her mom sleep
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over with her. Like that was embarrassing. Yeah. That's not cool. Come on. And then just the,
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the lessons that she learned from her mother were not great in terms of relationship. So, um, you
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have a mother is not a best friend. It's a mother. It's different. Yeah, definitely. And dog is your
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best friend. Yeah. And I think a lot of times we see like people when they're in like relationships
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and stuff, like they, instead of going to their partner, they go to their mom for advice. And I
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actually think that like, that's really unhealthy. Yeah. Like I just think you need to, I, the Bible is
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pretty clear about this man shall even father his mother and become one with his wife. I think the same
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goes for women. Like you need to, of course, maintain a healthy relationship with your parents.
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You can be friends with your mom. Like I'm friends with my parents, but it's like, there needs to be
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a line. Like they don't need to know everything. No. Yeah. And you don't need to go to them with
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everything. Yeah. Like, no, I've made that mistake in the past where I thought everything in my
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relationship, I had to tell my mom and dad and they're like, Oh, you don't need to hear that. Oh,
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he should do this. It's like, yeah, you guys are both divorced. Right. Like, I don't need to hear
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your opinions on this matter. I should be talking to the person in which I'm in a relationship with
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and resolving those issues through communication instead of like, and my parents aren't even
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toxic. It's just like, it's not healthy to have your parent as your best friend. It's just simply
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not. Yeah. I agree. Should we talk about, sorry, mom. She doesn't watch the show. Yeah. Well,
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jokes on her. It's the best. It's the best. Should we move on to lighter topics? Yep. Well,
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I just wanted to touch on another aspect. Like we don't have to talk about the article in total,
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in totality. But another article that we did touch on was this. Um, it's also from Evie was
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online mommy cultures can be toxic sometimes. Oh yes. And it's just like, we've all seen like,
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you know, the term Facebook moms. And I didn't realize, like, I can't imagine being on one of
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those groups and saying like, Oh, I, I like, I want to have a home birth or something like that.
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And then women being like, apparently this is a thing where they'd be like, that's dangerous.
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Like you're endangering your, your child and a lot of judgment and toxicity. So this article just
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talks about like how to avoid that. And I thought it was interesting because so many of the things
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that they say are actually just things to avoid in real life. It was like some of the art, some of
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the tips that they had were like, don't be afraid to block somebody. Yeah. And they're talking about
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in a mommy culture. It's like, that's a good lesson for anyone. Like in real life, when you have a toxic
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friend in your world, you get rid of them. I've done that. It took me a long time to figure that out,
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but it's like, Oh, they're my friend. It's like, you know what? They're toxic. They're,
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they're the kind of person that is happy when I fail and they want, they, they don't want good.
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They don't support you. Yeah. Cut them out of my life. And like, you can do that online. If
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someone's harassing you online or not, like you just block them. It's not like we, especially in
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the, you know, conservative world, we think it's such a, like a weak thing to do, but if someone's
00:19:04.200
harassing you, you wouldn't let them into your house. You don't need to your car. You can just
00:19:09.120
block them. No, it's so true. Um, should we maybe talk about then the pro abortion TikToker too?
00:19:14.900
Yes. Because there's that other, so toxic mommy culture. Um, I get Allie Best Stuckey,
00:19:19.920
claims that she coined this term. I don't know if that's true, but, um, it's basically when women
00:19:24.800
mock their kids for social media. And some people are like, Oh, it's just humor. It's, it's for fun.
00:19:32.040
It's lighthearted, but I actually are going to grow up and sue you. So enjoy that too. But I also think
00:19:36.180
don't, do you wonder if that creates like a sense of resentment in the mom that then grows and then
00:19:41.320
she becomes a toxic mom as the child grows up? Because I really think, and maybe it has something to do
00:19:45.680
with why abortion is so normal and okay in our society because moms are always talking about
00:19:50.580
how much they hate their kids, calling them like a-holes and stuff. And it's like, obviously kids
00:19:55.160
can be a lot. I mean, I don't have kids, but I see little kids screaming at church and stuff like
00:20:00.720
that. Like, I mean, goodness gracious, they're a lot, but you know, it's a privilege to be able to
00:20:05.520
have a baby. And I think that we should, they're a blessing. And I think we need to consider them that
00:20:10.120
way. And society just doesn't seem to want to, like there's such a weird attack on kids.
00:20:14.440
And there's also that, like, like you mentioned this weird trend of like shaming publicly,
00:20:18.760
shaming your child on the internet. And so we'll, I'll add this video in later, but there's this
00:20:24.660
pro abortion TikToker that tells her baby, like her newborn baby, she's beautiful baby. Yeah. Like
00:20:29.740
new, it's new, brand new. And she says, I could have killed you. She doesn't even say the word
00:20:34.660
aborted. She says, I could have killed you. I chose, I didn't, but I could have, and that's my choice.
00:20:39.940
It's like, lady, every single one of our moms could have aborted us. They didn't, they don't
00:20:44.480
need, you don't need to shove that in your child's face. Like, yeah, it's, it's evil. So weird. That
00:20:49.160
would be like God saying like, I could have killed you. Yeah. It's like, duh, you could have obviously
00:20:53.220
like, duh. It's so toxic. And it makes me feel really nervous for the kid growing up because
00:20:58.420
what if that mom doesn't drop it in infancy? Like maybe the kid is even picking up on those,
00:21:04.580
like those intentions without, because they're nonverbal at this. They're so young. It doesn't
00:21:09.640
understand words yet, but maybe it understands the feelings. And when it is verbal and it can
00:21:14.260
understand words, is the mom going to stop saying that? Yeah. What if what in the kid is bad? Is
00:21:17.780
she going to be like, you know, I could have aborted you. I could have killed you. Like
00:21:20.040
gross. Yeah. That is so gross. Well, especially because like, as you said, this baby can't speak
00:21:25.560
or really do anything. It just needs his mom for everything. Right. And like kids can't defend
00:21:30.620
themselves. No. And in any other part of society, if you, if you're attacking something that can't
00:21:36.520
defend itself, you're bullying it. Like imagine, like imagine if you replaced baby with another
00:21:42.620
type of vulnerable person, like everyone would be like, you can't say that. You can't do that.
00:21:46.720
Or like a kitten. Yeah. Like a little kitten. Even a freaking animal. Peeta would be all over
00:21:50.320
your butt. It's so true. But it's okay to say that to your child, your newborn child. A human
00:21:54.460
literally depends on you for every single thing. And you did not ask to be brought into this world,
00:21:59.580
by the way. No. So you're already holding it over their head. Like talk about toxic. Yeah.
00:22:03.300
Gross. Toxic already. Gross. Anyway. So anyways, that was fun. That was really fun. Don't be toxic.
00:22:08.860
Yeah. Don't be toxic. And Kris Jenner. Yeah. Looking at you. Yeah. Cut the cord from your kids. Okay.
00:22:14.920
All right. Porn. Oh, man. Okay. This article, also from Evie, is called Why Are So Many Serial
00:22:24.680
Killers Porn Addicts? And I kind of did a little shallow dive into this topic when we were talking about
00:22:30.900
the shooting that took place in Texas because I wanted to, I didn't, I don't know if there actually
00:22:36.120
was the connection. I was just curious because it seems like a thing. And I found, I told you this
00:22:40.940
already, like I found it so hard to find connections. Everywhere I looked, it was like, well, porn can
00:22:46.480
actually be really good for you. And I was like, I don't think I'm looking in the right places. So
00:22:50.500
reality check, it's not. Yeah. It's not. It's not. Yeah. And I guess it's, so I found this article
00:22:59.200
called, it's by the Reward Foundation, which is basically an educational charity that looks at the
00:23:05.000
science behind sex and love relationships. And what do they know? What do they know? So basically,
00:23:11.280
there are over 85 studies that link poor mental and emotional health to porn use. These effects range
00:23:16.440
from brain fog and social anxiety through to depression, negative body image and flashbacks,
00:23:21.100
eating disorders. And basically porn just really has a big impact on idealized notions of body image.
00:23:29.160
It's kind of interesting because so much of secular society is like, just like porn's fine. Yeah. It's
00:23:34.360
like a very normal thing. It's a very normal thing. And I think that's kind of scary in a lot of ways,
00:23:41.300
especially because Ted Bundy, who is like one of the most famous serial killers ever admitted that
00:23:46.380
that was something he was addicted to. And then guess what? He murdered. Yeah. I wrote down
00:23:51.060
his quote. He, it was before, was he executed? Yeah. Okay. So it was a couple, it was before he
00:23:56.940
was executed. He was speaking very candidly. This is his quote. He said, I've lived in prison a long
00:24:02.400
time now, and I've met a lot of men who were motivated to commit violence just like me. And
00:24:05.880
without exception, every one of them was deeply influenced and consumed by an addiction to pornography.
00:24:11.200
Gross. Yeah. And it kind of makes sense that watching a lot of porn would like desensitize you
00:24:18.960
to other acts of violence because like, it's like doing drugs. I liken it to doing drugs because, okay,
00:24:24.880
you, your tolerance builds over time. And then in order to get that high, you need to keep doing
00:24:30.440
harder drugs or more doses. And I think it's the same with porn. Like at first you're like, oh, I'm just
00:24:34.320
going to watch porn. And then you get like mommy, daddy, nice sex. And then, right. And then you
00:24:39.580
get desensitized and you're like, I need it to be more violent or whatever. And that's another thing.
00:24:45.420
It's like, sorry. No, keep going. Um, the, the porn that people are watching now is so disgusting.
00:24:51.980
Like I, like there's trends that are like brother, like step sister, step dad, like it's that's sick.
00:25:00.400
And like, and like abuse on women. And it's so people are so desensitized to it that they don't
00:25:05.760
actually realize how frigged up it is and how messed up it's making people in their own brains.
00:25:10.740
And there's also like, that's one. So it's like, okay, we're, we're producing little serial killers,
00:25:15.280
maybe possibly one section. And then there's the other section where it's like, what is it doing
00:25:18.520
to young women? Yeah. When they have, when men, young men have the expectations of all women being
00:25:24.060
like porn stars, which are willing to do things that regular women are not willing to do.
00:25:29.880
And then we'll call them prudes and the women will feel like young kids are doing, I'm not
00:25:34.740
going to get graphic, but they're doing more stuff than we did in our generation. Like
00:25:40.200
kids in high school are doing grosser, weirder stuff than ever. And it's getting younger and
00:25:44.780
younger and they're experimenting with more stuff. And I think it's because of porn.
00:25:52.120
Well, and it's completely degrading for women. First of all, like it just, it is like, I'm sorry.
00:25:56.680
There's no, it's, it will never be an empowering industry for women because first of all, a couple
00:26:02.040
things. One, the person you could be watching could be underage and you just don't know it.
00:26:05.620
That's a huge problem. It's a huge problem. Number two, they could be a victim of human
00:26:09.360
trafficking and you're watching a slave. Yes. So I just, and this, and by watching porn and
00:26:14.320
continuing to watch it, you are feeding into that industry, which is enabling human trafficking
00:26:19.700
and child pornography. Like you are feeding into that. So I just think that, I just think it's
00:26:24.180
disgusting and I, I just, it just makes me sick. There's a woman on Twitter who is, she
00:26:30.340
was herself a victim of human trafficking. Her name's Eliza Blue and I follow her on Twitter
00:26:33.940
and I'll put her tweets up here. She talks nonstop. It's all she talks about, about mostly
00:26:39.920
Pornhub and how many people on Pornhub are young people who are trafficked and Pornhub
00:26:44.160
has no responsibility. They'll take it down if it's proven, but like there's no responsibility
00:26:47.900
to verify that these girls are above 18 and are willing partners or being paid or whatever
00:26:52.840
needs to take place legally to make it legal. So you, like Nat just said, you could be watching
00:26:57.880
porn and you could be watching a victim of sexual, like sex trafficking and not even knowing
00:27:03.640
it. And you are now a part of a sex, like you're, you're encouraging, you're propagating
00:27:08.120
this disgusting, horrifying, tragic thing that is so rampant in society. It's super sad.
00:27:13.880
No, absolutely. Um, and according to the national center on sexual exploitation, pornography fosters
00:27:20.420
aggression by normalizing and depicting verbal and physical violence as enjoyable. So aggressive
00:27:24.860
acts against women and porn occur at roughly eight in, in 87% of the scenes. That's a huge
00:27:30.260
majority. That's a red, that's a red flag. That's a red flag.
00:27:34.460
Hello. Okay. Um, and obviously like you mentioned, it kind of, it creates unreachable standards for
00:27:40.160
women, women, women don't look like that and women don't enjoy sex like that. And I think like,
00:27:46.440
I mean, there's also research that research that shows consuming porn, like changes the structure
00:27:50.260
of your brain and it just, it D um, desensitizes us. Like it just, I mean, guys, like this is a
00:27:56.840
serious thing and our society is pushing it on people. I mean, what is the age that young people
00:28:01.220
are exposed to porn? Like 11 or something, I think is the age that's really young. You're like
00:28:05.780
prepubescent. That's horrifying. Like that, you gotta have some safety, safety parameters on your
00:28:10.720
kids' tablets. Absolutely. And I think like another side of this is like sex is such an intimate and
00:28:16.680
private thing. And I don't think anyone should be around, well, and you're having sex. So why are
00:28:21.520
you thinking it's okay to watch someone else have sex, whether they're paid to do it or not? Um,
00:28:26.100
I just think it's really gross. Yeah. And it's, and like I've mentioned, it's, it's different than
00:28:31.360
the porn of the eighties. Right. Like it's not Playboy magazine. No, no, it's not soft. Like
00:28:37.060
again, it's still bad, but it's not like full bush, soft core. Like it's, it's people are doing
00:28:42.140
gross things and degrading women and women are acting like they are enjoying it. And then that
00:28:48.020
is now how men think women want to be treated. And it will rewire people's brains and it will make
00:28:53.620
women do things that they don't want to do. And it's plus it's tragic. Like if you're in a
00:28:58.440
relationship, I would, I can think it's, you're being unfaithful. Like you're cheating. If you're,
00:29:03.540
if you're tiptoeing behind your spouse's back and you're watching other people get freaky, like
00:29:08.140
I just think that you're cheating on them, frankly. I don't know if that's cheating. Like,
00:29:12.280
I think it's gross. I think it is because sex, like the Bible is really clear about
00:29:17.000
sexual immorality. Maybe in a biblical sense it's cheating. I think most people would probably say
00:29:20.840
it's not, but again, most people. But what if your wife didn't know about it? Yeah. And you were doing
00:29:24.500
that behind her back. Like I, you know, especially, I don't know. It's gross. You shouldn't do it.
00:29:28.440
Because it's also an, it's addictive and it, which means it's therefore destructive and we're not
00:29:32.960
supposed to give into temptation as Christians. Right. Absolutely. And, and yes, our pastor has
00:29:37.660
mentioned that. Um, and also if you're in a marriage and you're watching porn behind your
00:29:42.640
wife's back or your husband's back, um, you're not going to be intimate with your partner in the
00:29:47.560
same way and willing to the same extent that you should be. And you're going to have these,
00:29:51.520
like I've mentioned expectations, or you're not going to be interested in it at all because you've
00:29:56.640
already serviced yourself. Yeah, no, it's true. Um, there's a study, a 2008 study of sexuality
00:30:03.720
in France, uh, which found that 20% of men 18 to 24 had no interest in sex or sexual activity
00:30:10.400
after watching porn. Yeah. Like that's teenagers. Like, isn't that when you're usually your most
00:30:16.500
like primal about sex? Like that's scary. And it's kind of like, sorry. No, I was just going to say
00:30:21.240
it can also cause erectile dysfunction. And as you mentioned, can influence the physical power
00:30:26.160
dynamics in a sexual relationship. So it reminds me of how I think we've mentioned, I mean, it
00:30:31.740
reminds me of MGTOW. Like those men are going their own way and they don't want anything to do
00:30:36.860
with women, but I guarantee they're watching pornography. Yeah. And then B, it reminds me of
00:30:40.360
how men don't want to get married because I had this theory that was like, well, of course,
00:30:44.320
because they have Uber Eats and pornography. Yeah. Like what do they, like, what incentive do you
00:30:49.080
have? Like for, and obviously not all women cook and yada yada, but like in a traditional sense,
00:30:54.240
like a woman is going to care for her family and she's going to care for the home. And if you have
00:31:00.360
Uber Eats and pornography, you literally don't really need a girl. That's true. And maybe society's
00:31:06.760
been pushing this on us on purpose, almost like, um, well, when Bill Gates talks about how we have
00:31:13.140
too high of a population, we need to decrease the population. It's almost a red flag. It's almost
00:31:19.340
as if every facet of secular society is doing everything they can to make sure that men and
00:31:25.120
women aren't getting married because they know that that is the bedrock of a successful and
00:31:30.040
blossoming society. And they don't want society to blossom because they want us to own nothing and
00:31:33.740
be happy y'all. Yikes. They want us to consume media and consume online goods and consume Uber Eats
00:31:41.420
and pornography and just stay in our little and be fat and sad. And then we'll depend on the
00:31:46.880
government because we're sick from all the food that we're eating. We have diabetes and we're
00:31:50.180
depressed. So we're on no vitamin D and yeah. Yeah. It's terrifying. Right. So things are, I think
00:31:56.380
the, the point of this conversation too, is not necessarily to condemn people. I think there's
00:32:00.800
condemn, I think there's, I think there's grace for you. If you know, if you're suffering from
00:32:05.740
a porn addiction, there is people want to help you. Um, I would just say like, just try stopping.
00:32:12.200
Yeah. And then, you know, see how that goes. Repent too. Maybe. Um, yeah. Pick up another hobby.
00:32:19.180
Pick up another hobby. But I think just as a rule of thumb, when it comes to anything that society
00:32:24.380
deems is okay, especially when it comes to like sexual immoralities. I mean, look at all the crazy
00:32:30.480
stuff we're seeing at the pride parades these days, like society wants us to think all this
00:32:34.260
is okay. Yeah. It's okay to shake your wiener in front of eight year olds in a parade, you know,
00:32:38.360
like as a rule of thumb, anything that society is pushing on you, just say no. Yeah. You should
00:32:43.060
definitely question it. Yeah. Strongly. You know, like just sit with it. Yeah. You know,
00:32:48.280
look at it objectively. And just think about it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think so. That's all I have to say.
00:32:55.340
I think. Really? Yeah. I could probably talk for like eight more hours, but is there any,
00:32:59.080
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