Miss Understood No. 29 — Bad Boys Get Banned
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Kat and Nat discuss trans model Lizzo's "oppression" speech at the VMAs, Joe Biden's student loan forgiveness plan, and Andrew Tate's new book, "The Dark Side of Feminism," and much, much more.
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Hello, and welcome to Misunderstood, the show for the politically and culturally misunderstood
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lady. We are your hosts. I am Nat, and I am Kat. Today, we are going to be talking about
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the youngest trans model ever, I guess. We're going to talk about Joe Biden's forgiveness
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of student loans, and we're going to talk about everybody's favorite misogynist, Andrew
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Tate. But first, our patented culture shock of the moment. Take it away, Nat. Guys, this
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is big, huge news. A really, really famous, wealthy, millionaire celebrity is oppressed
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as hell. You guys, Lizzo, she mentioned at the VMAs on Sunday the something that she's
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Read the room, Lizzo. Did you know that getting on a private plane was actually...
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With your bare ass showing? It's the system of oppression.
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Yes. She's being oppressed by getting on her private jet with her bare ass showing, and
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then accepting an award. If that's oppression, I want it. Huge. I would love to be oppressed.
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Yes. Oppress me! Yeah. Sounds like she's not, though. What is she talking about? Like, police
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brutality? I don't even know. That's not what she said. Maybe we should just watch a clip
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and hear it straight from the big fat horse's mouth. Your vote means everything to me. It means
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everything to making a change in this country. So remember, when you're voting for your favorite
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artist, vote to change some of these laws that are oppressing us.
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What is she referring to? Abortion? The right to murder your baby? Your human baby? I'm sure
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she's... Like, it's just so vague. It's so easy to be like, yep, sure. Oh, yeah. And it's
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like, if you don't have anything smart to say, don't say it. No, but if you don't have anything
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smart to say, just call yourself oppressed and people will cheer for you. I guess. On
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the other hand. Maybe we should... I'm super oppressed. I am... Guys, if you don't agree,
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you're oppressing her. You are oppressing me. Anyway, so Lizzo, super oppressed. And all you
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middle-class hardworking folks... You're oppressing her. You're oppressing her. Stop it. Stop it. You
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naughty little things. All righty. Okay. Should we talk about some student loan forgiveness?
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Biden's student loan forgiveness and extension plan. What we know. Teen Vogue. So this will be good.
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Yeah. So the Biden administration announced that they will forgive $10,000 in federal student loan
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debt per borrower and $20,000 for borrowers who have received Pell Grants, which is a form of a
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need-based federal financial aid that typically does not have to be repaid. And it's to help
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eligible low-income students. So. Okay. So there's a lot here. There's a lot. This came out last week
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and everyone has an opinion on it. And so do we. But it's also like a nuanced opinion, I think.
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I think so too. Okay. Let's talk about maybe some of the criticisms of this from conservatives,
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maybe. This is from Mitch McConnell, a Republican Senate minority leader who told reporters that the
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president's move is a slap in the face to every family who sacrificed to save for college, every
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graduate who paid their debt, and every American who chose a certain career path or volunteer to
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serve in our armed forces in order to avoid taking on debt. There's been a few other criticisms.
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So when I read this article from the Mises Institute, and it mentions like some pitfalls of
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these kinds of debt relief programs. One is that it could potentially increase tuition costs,
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because if colleges are like, oh, well, people are going to get 10 grand back from the government
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anyways, why not increase tuition? And apparently they did some studies based on, because this is not
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the first time that student debt has been like erased. Yeah, I think there's something in the 90s or
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something. Yeah, exactly. So they did a bunch of, they did some studies, I will post the link, but
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where they've, they've proven that this happens. So that's one potential pitfall. And then the other
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one is like Nat just said, is the moral dilemma, where is it fair? And like, that's a, that's a fine
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argument. If you pay off someone's debt, what's to say it doesn't encourage other people to just incur
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debt, knowing that they'll never have to pay it back? Yeah. There's just so much to unpack here.
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But apparently, if you nix $10,000 of debt per bar, or that would cost $290 billion in 2022,
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and $329 billion by 2031, if the policy is renewed each year. So that's a lot of money. So
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what happens when the government spends a lot of money? Well, doesn't that raise the cost of living
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in general as well? That would result in inflation, which is another fear that many people have.
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Yeah. And apparently less than 32% of the funding would benefit Americans in the two lowest income
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quintiles, while 42% would benefit those earning more than $82,000 per year. So who's to say that
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like someone who's already making decent money is going to exploit this system? Fair enough. However,
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there's a bunch of arguments for it. And we, and like, to just mentioning it now, because
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you just mentioned $82,000 a year. That's not a lot of money. No, it's not. These days,
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like in America, it is because maybe the cost of living there is a lot cheaper than it is in Canada,
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depending on your state and city, of course, like I'm sure New York City, that's not a lot of money.
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Right. It's a good point. Yeah. But in Canada, $80,000 is not a lot of money. No. So there are
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arguments against this. And like Nat has said, a lot of conservatives are taking the stand and a lot of
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Christians I've seen, like Allie Beth Stuckey, make comments about how like, this is unbiblical. I
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don't really remember exactly what she said. Yeah, I can, we can talk about that a little bit later.
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Yeah. But the arguments for, so I will, I'd just like to start by like a personal note is,
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we live in Canada, and our universities are already subsidized by the government. So if I got a
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philosophy degree, which I did, I get a philosophy degree in Canada, it costs a lot less money than
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it does to get that in the United States. So for any Canadian to be like, oh, that's atrocious,
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is kind of a little bit silly, because we already get subsidized schooling. And personally, my parents
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paid for my school. So it would be really, really hypocritical of me to be critical of this,
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this policy, and I know how it feels to be in debt. So if someone was like, hey, Catherine,
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I'm going to wipe your debt, or give you $10,000, like which, you know, that would be lovely. And I
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would say, yes, please, sir. I agree. See, I'm torn on this subject, because I don't want inflation. And
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I don't like it when the government intervenes. I'm very into as little government as possible. But
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when you're 18 years old, especially when we were growing up, there was a lot of pressure to go to
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university, because either our parents had never been, or all of our educators and everyone in our life
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was romanticizing this experience. Most of us went to university and did not know what the hell we
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wanted to do. But we were pushed. Exactly. I would study theater. Okay, we were pushed to go,
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because that's just the normal thing to do. So of course, you're going to go and you're going to
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take your first couple years figuring it out, spending your student loan debt. And then you're
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by year three, you're a little more mature, you're a little older, you maybe figured it out if you
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haven't gone down the women's studies route. And then it's like, well, it's not really your fault,
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because you're, you go from being a kid who has everything handed to them in high school out into
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the free world where you're supposed to make a huge decision for yourself. So I think people
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should sympathize with that a little bit, because these are young, impressionable kids,
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and they're being forced to do something that they have no understanding of the future consequences.
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Yes. So exactly. There's so much societal pressure, especially from like, schools, like you just said,
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in my school, I wanted to go to film school. Right. And my, my vice principal was like, no,
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you have to go to university because we want our, like all of our graduates to go to university.
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And like, he was a wonderful man, but I would have been, been way better off because that's
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now what I'm doing. Yeah. I would have been way better off going to film school right out of high
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school. And also in the States, and I'm not sure if it's the same for Canada, probably is,
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student loans are the only type of loan that you can't clear through bankruptcy. So you can buy
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too many horses and go bankrupt. Whoopsie. Whoopsies. And then have, you give back your
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horses, you, you declare bankruptcy and your debt is clear and you live your life. And in a couple
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of years, you can build yourself back up again. Student loans take, you take those to the grave.
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Yeah. This author of his Buzzfeed article referred to it as an albatross around the necks of loanees
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who are barely treading water, working to repay what they owe with no hope of getting ahead.
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Because another, I think, argument for the loan repayment could be that middle, the middle class
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is being completely eradicated in North America right now. So when someone exits university and
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they get a job in marketing, let's say, for example, they're not necessarily going to be
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able to make meets end. No. So I think that's something that it's really severely lacking from
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the conservative side where they aren't being sympathetic to that element. It's not like when
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her parents grew up, we've talked about this before, when your mom became a teacher,
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she was making a lot more money. Well, she actually became a teacher later in life.
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Right. When she graduated university, she paid her $300 rent. No problem. Because she was
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making about what I made at my first job, but that was in the seventies. Right. And her rent
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was $300. Must be nice. Yeah. What's rent now? Like $15 million a month? $300 is your hydro
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and your heat for the month. It's crazy. Exactly. Another argument for it is that universities
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in the United States profit billions of dollars a year. Not every single one, but the main ones,
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the fancy ones. That's a great point. And no one wants to hold them accountable. Exactly. That's
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the thing. So is the government the villain here or is it the universities who are literally,
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and that's profit. That's not gross income. That's not like, oh, they take it in, but they
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put it back and all the, no, they're literally net profiting billions of dollars a year, every
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year. Well, and don't you think one way to combat this, these high prices is maybe to not
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force kids to take so many stupid electives to get a degree? Like, why did I need to do art history
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if I'm trying to become a scientist or something like that? Or why did I need to take computer
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science if I was in art history or philosophy? Exactly. And then you have to buy the textbook.
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Right. Which usually is written by the professor, so that's a nice little bonus. And also it makes
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you stay in the school longer. So if you're going to be in residence or you're renting a house or
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you're on a meal plan, all of that stuff adds up. Yeah. That's a great point I hadn't actually
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thought about. I think one solution would just be to better equip our kids to guide them in a better
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direction. Like if they don't know what they want to study, don't go to university. Don't,
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don't incur debt that you won't be able to pay back. But again, like on the flip side of that,
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a lot of, apparently a lot of conservatives have come out saying that a lot of people actually can
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repay the loans. And these are the same people who are, you know, out there buying their avocado
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toast and their skims. And it's like, well, you could also make some lifestyle adjustments. I mean,
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I still have student debt that I'm paying off. And I think you can find a balance between paying it off
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and living your life. But if you're screaming and crying about your student loans, but you're,
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you know, out at SACS on the weekend, like maybe makes it hard to sympathize with your case.
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Yeah. I think it's a lifestyle thing, like a societal thing where we're pushing people
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to go into universities and colleges to get a woman's studies degree. Exactly. Then they're going
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to come out into the workforce and be like, who wants to hire me? And everyone's like nobody. And
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then they're like, oh, but I'm still going to like, you want to live your life. So you're still
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going to go out for your stinking avocado toast that costs $30 with your friends and complain
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about your student debt. Like I totally see that as well. It's like our, our parents didn't go out
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for brunch. That was not a thing. So while my mom's rent was a lot cheaper and the cost of living was
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a lot cheaper, like smarter with her money. We, yeah, our, our generation is just like, oh,
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I have no money, but I also bought a $6 latte. That's me. It's because we pursue pleasure.
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Like we, we, we need to do things that make us feel expedient. It's so true. Yeah. And it's about
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status too. And going to university is a status thing. Like if you don't go to university, it's
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like, oh, what are you stupid? It's like, no, actually I'm going to go into trades and make
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six figures in two years. Yeah. It's so true. And like, that's the thing. Like I, I believe in
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personal responsibility. So your life is your fault to an extent. Like you have to, you have to hold
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yourself accountable because that's the only way you can pull yourself up by the bootstraps and make
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something of your life, you know? Um, but I think maybe we should touch on that argument,
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the Christian argument. Um, so there was a viral meme that said, if you're a Christian and you're
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big mad about the possibility of student loan debt being canceled, let me remind you that the
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entirety of your faith is built upon a debt you couldn't pay, uh, that someone stepped in and
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paid for you. So this is something Allie Best Ducky. It's a bit of a stretch. It's a bit of a stretch
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because God made flesh and voluntarily sacrificed himself to pay the debt of our sins, which we
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could never pay. So this would be forcing the transfer of debt onto taxpayers who, it's not,
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it's not the country's job to pay for your debt. It would be like if there were like a million
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people and then there's like a hundred Jesuses and they're like, we're going to sacrifice these
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hundred Jesuses to make these people. It's like, well, that's not your choice. First of all,
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like it's, it's such a, it's a, it's a false equivalency, I would think. Yeah, I think it is
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too because the government, okay. So one of the things she said was loans are not canceled or
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forgiven. Uh, they would be absorbed by the taxpayer. Student loan debt forgiveness is a
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forcible transfer of wealth from the working class. According to WAPO, the plan will most benefit people
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in the top 60% of income distribution. Brookings Institute found that 50% of all outstanding debt in
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the USA is owed by grad students. So those are those lifetime students who are the worst kind
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of people. Cause you're just getting a PhD in women's studies. We all know it. Like it's like,
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you're just not ready to leave and become an adult. Well, I felt that too. Like, did you feel that when
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you were like leaving university and you're like, Oh, what now? Like I was, I was pretty stressed.
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And I went to college right after university to study more and it was a lot cheaper. Um, and it worked
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during it because my parents were like, you're done. Yeah. But, um, it was, it was very intimidating
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and I can understand why some people are like, I'm just going to stay in university and get my
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master's. It's true. But when you're 35 and they're all 18 and those are your peers, it might
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be time to just move on. For sure. You, that's the thing. Like we don't need more schooling. We don't
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need more intellectual people just like actually like that's why that's colonial and racist. Like we
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don't need more of that. And that's what university is pretty much teaching. And like, I would argue
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if you're not studying like STEM, don't go. Yeah, exactly. Like don't go. Law for sure.
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I agree because I mean, we're pretty well self-made. Like we just worked. I mean, we're obviously the
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most successful people. I was pretty spoiled. Like I, I had to learn in my twenties how to manage my
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money. And when my parents were like you, like you, but you didn't send you to university and now you
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have to figure it out. Like I was spoiled until a point and now it took me through my twenties to be
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like, Oh my God, like life is tough. But you figured it out and you worked hard and you've
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gotten to where you are because of that is my point. Like I dropped out of university. I got a
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job in advertising and I worked my way up and now I'm here. Like you can do it. And I think that's
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actually the smartest thing. You go to school to get a job. Why not just get a job, get the job,
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just get the job, start at the bottom. There are so many people that I know who took two
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year courses at colleges and who are way ahead of me in their careers now. Like I'm catching up and
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I love my job and I have built the skills to do what I want to do, but I could have done those
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things a lot sooner. A lot sooner. No, I totally feel that. Not gone to university. Although that's
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where I met my husband. Oh yeah. I'm taking my pen out now. That's sweet. I know. Got to take out the
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pen. He's had a pen in my hair, but it's bothering me. Okay. Anyway, I think that this is a very
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nuanced. It's nuanced. And I don't think it's necessarily black and white, but I don't think
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that the taxpayer should be forced to pay back another person's debt. I don't believe in forcing
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that on other people. Yeah. That's where it's tough. Yeah. Cause I do empathize. And I was like,
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if you can fix someone's life, if someone is like still paying back their debt and it's,
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they have like 20 more years to pay it and you can cut that in half for them. That's such a nice
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thing to do. But at the same time, it's at the, it's at the strong hand of the law. Yeah. Forcing
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that on people who are also struggling. Like if taxes go up or if inflation increases and keeps
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going up, it's like, now you're hurting everybody. Yeah. Including yourself. Yeah. So it's really only
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temporary satisfaction or temporary alleviation from a problem. That's just going to follow you
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your whole life. And it sucks, but I don't know, get a second job. Well, I think that we kind of hit
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it before where it's like the universities should be held accountable. They should be like,
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I don't know what the answer is, but if you're paying 120 grand for a degree, that's only going
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to get you a job that pays 60 grand for the next five years. Like maybe the university should fix
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that somehow. Yeah. And I think start get catching kids earlier. So they have a better, a more clear
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path about what they maybe want to pursue and maybe get an understanding of what they will make out
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of university. If that is a degree that will transfer to a proper skill in the workforce,
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you know? And don't let high schools or like teachers and administrators pressure you into
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going. Or your parents. Or your parents or anyone pressure you into going to school when it's not
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what, A, they're going to try and indoctrinate you into crazy leftist ideals. And B, if you need it
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for the degree, for the job that you want, like let's build yourself, like let's sift through the
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people who are just going to go and who actually need to be there and then help those people be there.
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But like someone, like you said, like getting their master's and their doctorate in women's
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studies, like maybe you don't need to be there. No. There's like Reddit threads for that,
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I'm sure. Yeah, exactly. You know? Anyway. Anyways. Shall we move on? Let's move on. I think we've
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offended enough people. Or have we? Probably not. We're about to. We're about to. Whoa. This is
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another fun one. This will be fun. This is, we're going to have fun with this. Always super fun.
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Yeah. Okay. Okay. So 10-year-old celebrated as youngest transgender model on New York Fashion
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Week runway. You guys may recognize this face. We talked about this child months ago. On our
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fourth episode of Misunderstood. So it was like a million years ago. That was like a million years
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ago. And once again, culture catches up with Misunderstood. Yeah. We're always ahead of the
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curve. Yeah. It seems like it. So here's a little excerpt from the article. Current Guardians,
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Randy McMayor told the publication that Noella, a biological male, began socially transitioning
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at the age of four. Both parents identify as non-binary per Noella's Instagram account. Okay.
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Ooh. All right. Let's just, there's a lot to unpack in that first article. That's the first
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sentence. Doozy. So first of all, a 10-year-old should not have an Instagram account. Nope.
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All right. Probably ran by their parents, which is also weird because they're talking about
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their own identities through her Instagram account. And okay. Socially transitioning at
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four. She started, it says later in the article that she began expressing gender dysphoria at
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She just didn't want to wear boy clothes. She just had tantrums about putting on clothes.
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Oh, I wonder if other children have done that. No child has ever done that. Have you ever seen a kid
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in their Halloween costume at the grocery store and it's not even close to Halloween? Yeah.
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I used to wear a tea towel on my head because my mom kept my hair really short and I wore
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a tea towel to have long hair. She could have been like, she has hair dysphoria. She needs
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surgical implants in her brain for more hair. Well, that would have been the logical and loving
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response by your mother. Yep. Yep. Right. So two years old, four years old. That's not gender dysphoria.
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That's just childhood. And so it doesn't seem like the parents have pushed an agenda on their
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kid. The two non-binary parents who like to advertise, like if they're non-binary and they
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were just like, that's in the privacy of my own heart and our relationship. But like, no,
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they're advertising that on Instagram through their child's Instagram account. So the child
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is obviously aware of it. And like we've said before on the show, children want to impress and
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please their parents. So I'm non-binary and my kid is going to be like, oh, I'm non-binary too,
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mom. Do you love me now? And I'll be like, yes, Noella. I finally love you because you're special.
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You don't want to wear those boy clothes. Let's straight to the gender clinic. That's what they
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did. She said she, she had a tantrum every time they tried to put her, the him, it in, in boy clothes.
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So they took him to the clinic. So instead of just getting the kid
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less masculine clothes, like you can do it. I wore blue when I was a kid. I loved blue and
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tacky shorts. I loved baseball caps. Like that's okay. Before doing that, they took the child to
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the gender clinic and they started socially transitioning two years later. And I mean,
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further evidence that they are not pushing an agenda on their child is that they also have
00:21:56.520
another child, which they call a baby. They call their baby, their human baby, a baby because their
00:22:03.720
baby is actually also non-binary. Did you know that babies can choose their gender? Can't talk,
00:22:10.960
need help cleaning up their shit, literally, but they can choose their gender. You must be so excited
00:22:21.920
These people are messed up. Yes. And the child needs to be thoroughly examined. Yes. And it's
00:22:33.560
unfortunate because now this young model will have gender surgery at the age of 16, which they've
00:22:39.960
already, it's like, so what? Six years from now, you have no idea how they're going to feel in six
00:22:44.500
years, but you've already decided for them. 16 is so young. You're still a child. You're a child.
00:22:49.900
Goodness gracious. Goodness gracious. Goodness gracious. And I guess the, the kid can only get
00:22:54.460
the surgery with the parents' consent. Or is it, or is it one of those places like in Canada where
00:23:00.280
the kid can just say it and the parents would get arrested if they try to. I'm sure there's a part
00:23:04.480
of, there's an element of that, but let's just, another thing on the parents. Uh, D. McMahar,
00:23:12.520
whatever, appears to be on hormone replacement therapy and recently had a cosmetic mastectomy.
00:23:17.840
Both she and her current partner are females who identify as trans masculine.
00:23:27.620
Like seriously pray for these children. Honestly. Like, Oh, what are the chances? It's just a pure
00:23:32.280
coincidence that the child is trans. Yeah. Just a coincidence. And let's say their little baby,
00:23:38.480
their baby grows up and it's also decides, decides that they're trans. What, what are the statistics
00:23:43.780
that you have two children who end up being transgender? I feel like. Under parents that
00:23:47.760
are transgender. Exactly. Like, come on. Like you're obviously influencing this kid. Yes. And I think
00:23:53.000
that's disgusting and abusive. In our previous conversation about this child, Noella, we kind
00:23:59.700
of focused on the fact that they're modeling. And. As a toddler. As a toddler. Well, 10 year olds
00:24:06.140
not a toddler, but I don't, I don't know when they started modeling. Pretty young, I think. I think it was
00:24:09.600
younger than 10, but anyway, 10 is still too young. 10 is super young. And we equated it to like those
00:24:14.940
like dance troupes of little girls, like who wear like belly tops and like fake eyelashes. And it's
00:24:18.640
like. Tans. Yeah. And tans and like toddlers and tiaras. And that's wrong too. Cause that's what
00:24:23.640
people are like, well, if you're okay with that, you should be. I'm not. We're not. Yeah. We're not.
00:24:27.160
It's gross. And you know why? Cause it's exploiting your children. It's exploiting children. And it's
00:24:30.400
over-sexualizing children. Children can dance without showing their midriffs. In front of adults. What's the
00:24:35.520
room? Like who are they dancing in front of? Who are the judges? Yeah. Who is this, this child
00:24:39.260
runwaying in front of? It's adults. Yeah, exactly. And who's in the back room changing them? Adults.
00:24:44.400
Putting on their makeup. Like being like, oh, you did great, sweetie. And like the fact,
00:24:47.640
like one of the quotes is like, oh, did I write it down? It was something like, oh, Noella
00:24:52.300
really knows how to work the room. It's like, she's 10. He or she, whatever. Yeah. Is 10 years
00:25:00.700
old. They shouldn't be working a room. Like, no, unless it's just with their charm and like
00:25:06.600
telling funny stories, like telling jokes and doing like a dance routine with their clothes
00:25:10.940
on. Yeah. They shouldn't be like wearing midriffs and heavy, heavy makeup, walking around and
00:25:17.120
then going backstage. Cause you, you know, I'm not a model, but I've seen the shows and they
00:25:23.280
just strip back there. They just, because there's no time. You gotta go, gotta go, gotta go. So
00:25:27.520
you're just taking your clothes off. And it's like, that is so not a place for a child to
00:25:31.320
be. Nevermind a gender confused child. Nevermind one who has two gender confused parents who
00:25:35.960
are pressuring them and, and exploiting them and profiting off of them because whatever
00:25:40.880
this kid is getting paid, those parents are taking. Oh, for sure. It must be really, really
00:25:45.600
wonderful for them to be able to market their child, their rare, special, unique child. And
00:25:50.940
of course the dad is not in the picture. Uh, this Noella's biological dad. And I blame him
00:25:56.700
too. I do as well. Uh, Timothy McCord. Um, he's apparently has no say in Noella's life
00:26:03.540
and he was apparently resistant to his ex-wife's transit, uh, transition of their child. Like,
00:26:09.660
why isn't he like, uh, he did lose custody. Ah, but, but why though? Like maybe he's a,
00:26:14.580
he's a shitty person. So apparently he lost custody because he was trying to get Noella into
00:26:19.520
boys pajamas and it hurt Noella's arm. So the moms, I think, I don't know the truth. No one
00:26:26.640
knows the truth, but the mom allegedly blew things out of proportion. And then, uh, that was kind
00:26:32.300
of ultimately where what resulted in him losing custody. So like he, you don't, you should not
00:26:36.800
use force. No, you talk to the kid. And like, if the kid wants to wear girls pajamas for a couple
00:26:41.100
of years, let them like, you don't need jammies. It's jammies. Who cares? Yeah. Like even if the
00:26:46.320
kid wants to walk around in girls clothing as a little boy for a couple of years, like let them
00:26:51.360
don't affirm it, you know? Yeah, exactly. Let them figure it out. You don't need to change their
00:26:55.340
name. You don't need to put them like through gender surgery at 16 years old. And the dad made
00:27:02.180
him clearly. It sounds like he made a mistake in trying to force the kid because the kid,
00:27:06.300
it was uncomfortable for the child and trying to overpower him. And whether or not he hurt his
00:27:09.840
arm, it's like, you're, it's still not, you're not being empathetic. Like just let him wear his
00:27:13.600
jammies. Who cares? And as he grows and changes, this child will figure out who they are.
00:27:18.300
Yeah. It's hard when they're like, obviously I'm assuming mom has had custody before maybe. So
00:27:25.380
this is the only chance he gets to maybe speak truth to his son. I don't know. Like, yeah,
00:27:30.500
it's, I, I sympathize, but there's a way to do it without like shoving a kid in pajamas and making
00:27:35.220
them cry. It's like, it's just so hard because like the government is just so against anyone who
00:27:40.700
pushes back against this gender ideology and you cannot win. Like they, they just cannot win against
00:27:46.440
the state. So a mom gets to say, yes, this is the truth. And dad's basically just left in the lurch
00:27:51.840
and he cannot, he cannot oppose his son. Yeah. Like he can't do anything about it. And like the
00:27:56.940
government is, the government ain't going to help him. Like it's just so sad. And when Noella is 16,
00:28:03.760
what if that child regrets what they did? And the, and the dad is like, I tried, like, I tried to tell
00:28:10.760
you maybe didn't go about it in the best way, but it's like in a couple of years when that kid's like
00:28:15.100
18 or 20, like I genuinely hope that they actually suffered gender dysphoria at this point, because
00:28:21.140
if they're going to go through this and, and have a surgery and take hormones, there's no coming back
00:28:27.120
from it. So just a walking experiment. I genuinely hope that this person is completely invested in this
00:28:32.940
new identity and not just that it's, uh, I just don't think they could know as a child. I agree.
00:28:39.400
I agree. But I hope that they grow into it. I hope that it sticks because like you're getting the
00:28:43.840
surgery. Yeah. I don't know. I just, this is just, I think the biggest crisis. It's so sad. It's just a
00:28:49.960
huge crisis. And the more tension that this kid gets, the more like people cheer and like, oh,
00:28:54.440
you work in the room, Noella? That is not going to decrease the likelihood of this kid getting the
00:28:59.280
surgery. And it's not going to let this child figure out who they are on their own. On their
00:29:02.860
own without, without being. They need to go to like a camp. Yeah. They need to be in the wilderness.
00:29:06.760
A Christian camp. Yeah. They need to go to like a wilderness Christian retreat. Yeah. And like,
00:29:11.460
and like make a fire and like talk to God and like, if they, if after that and they're 18 and they grow
00:29:17.240
up and they're like, you know what? I still want to do it. Like what? Okay. What do I, I have nothing to
00:29:21.340
say about it, but they're so far from 18. It's not even, they're 10. Yeah. And at this point, I think it's just
00:29:26.980
abuse. These parents are abusing their child and it's yucky. And I, it's just so infuriating that
00:29:35.180
people are, that they hate children so much. Yes. You know, speaking of infuriating, let's talk
00:29:42.460
about Andrew Tate. Who's that? Who is that? Who is that? Honestly, I didn't know who this person was.
00:29:48.720
Me either. But apparently girls are breaking up with their boyfriends because of him. So, um,
00:29:53.800
in doing like very, very preliminary research. Um, he was a kickboxer and he was on season 17,
00:30:01.440
a big brother and got kicked off after a video surface of him beating a girl with a belt,
00:30:06.300
which later on turns out that she says it was consensual and like they were like dating or
00:30:11.740
something. So no, there was no charges against him at the time. Um, he then started a webcam company
00:30:16.900
and paid women. I don't even know if he paid them actually. I wrote paid women, but they lived,
00:30:21.660
they worked for him. They worked for him and they lived in his house and they were cam girls
00:30:26.200
and they exploited men by like telling them that their dad was sick. And like, can you please send
00:30:30.840
me more money? I need like extra cash. And then that money would end up going to Andrew Tate.
00:30:35.120
And that's how it became a millionaire. Yes. Um, he has several allegations of sexual assault,
00:30:40.340
rape, and an investigation that took place in early 2022 over the possibilities of track
00:30:44.740
trafficking after a 21 year old American woman told authorities that Tate, Tate, the Tate brothers
00:30:49.300
kidnapped her. So him and his brother, Tristan, I think his name is worked together. So there's
00:30:53.740
two of them. There's two of these wonderful men. Um, there's this famous quote of his that people
00:30:59.440
are saying, uh, passing around. He said, I'm not a rapist, but I like the idea of being able to just
00:31:04.500
do what I want. I like being free. Okay. Okay. So that sounds like an upstanding. Yeah. So my take on
00:31:13.880
Andrew Tate, which I had to think about it. Cause at first I would take the Tate take, uh, at first
00:31:19.780
I was like appalled naturally, you know, still sort of am. He sounds like a real arsehole, a real
00:31:28.120
arsehole. He does not sound like a nice person. Doesn't sound like he'd be a good dad. Doesn't
00:31:31.860
sound like a good Christian. He sounds like a dick. Um, however, just because I and other people
00:31:38.280
think he's a dick, does that mean that he should be banned from social media? And that's kind of the
00:31:42.840
question because recently, um, our next article is from Buzzfeed news. Twitter is full of memes of
00:31:47.700
Andrew Tate being banned from different places. The memes are stupid. They're all the same meme.
00:31:51.620
They're literally the, they're not funny. They're the same meme just with different photos. But, um,
00:31:56.780
I don't think that he should be banned from social media. I don't think that banning someone who you
00:32:03.140
disagree with is a smart idea because if this person is spewing poison into the world, we should at
00:32:08.920
least be aware of it. Well, especially cause it's like social media sites are so quick to
00:32:12.800
ban this person, but there's so many creeps and groomers online that just get to run free and
00:32:17.780
indoctrinate your children. So it's, and it's not to defend this person because I do think he's
00:32:21.600
creepy. Yeah. I mean, we should go through maybe some of the things he said and he has rules for
00:32:26.620
women, um, which are always, that's what we want as women in society rules. Um, so here's just a
00:32:33.120
couple of them if we want to, uh, it's absolutely disrespectful for a woman to be with a man and then
00:32:37.820
want to run around with her girls and pretend she's still single. So I think he means going
00:32:42.040
out for boozy brunch with your girlfriends. Is that what it, I don't know. Um, leave brunch out
00:32:46.900
of it, sir. Yeah. Leave brunch out of it. Um, a man can only cheat if he loves someone else.
00:32:52.940
This is a good one. Yeah. He said having sex with another woman is just exercise.
00:32:58.200
So rude. Yeah. Don't date him. That's my advice. I don't date him. Don't date this guy and don't,
00:33:05.880
maybe don't hang out with him. Don't hang out with him. Maybe, you know, if you're a girl,
00:33:08.640
um, so apparently girls are breaking up with their boyfriends because, um, their boyfriends
00:33:14.640
like Andrew Tate. They like Andrew Tate and there's some TikTok trend going around where
00:33:18.960
girls ask their boyfriends if they know who he is and, uh, if they follow him or listen to him or
00:33:24.800
whatever, they are dumping him, which seems a bit unreasonable. Like maybe your relationship is a
00:33:29.500
little more stable than that. Maybe you're an idiot for a dating someone who's so like, who
00:33:34.720
is, idolizes an internet person. Yeah. Like he's not God. He's not God. He's not. He's not. He should
00:33:42.400
be idolizing the one true Lord. Maybe. Um, that's really embarrassing because he's like a reality show
00:33:48.140
guy who like exploits women. So like, it's like if we were obsessed with Paris Hilton and we were
00:33:52.880
like, she is the end all be all. I'm going to do whatever she says. Yeah, exactly. Whatever she does.
00:33:58.020
I'm going to do a sex tape. I'm going to do like, exactly. And men would be so quick to criticize
00:34:02.720
any woman who like, like, you know, blindly followed a celebrity. But yet when men do it,
00:34:08.700
it's like, yeah, it's embarrassing. So if you're, if your man idolizes him in an actual, like, I,
00:34:14.440
like idolizes him, then y'all have a problem. Um, also if your boyfriend is a super misogynist and
00:34:19.800
is abusing you, you also have a problem and that wouldn't blame Andrew Tate for that. Yeah.
00:34:24.000
It's kind of on him and on you for being with him. Personal responsibility. Yeah. A little bit of that.
00:34:27.560
A little bit of that. I mean, but it kind of speaks to the fact that in our society, people are so
00:34:31.720
lost and purposeless. Um, so, you know, women, we get caught up in like the self-love movement and
00:34:37.000
all that. And, but with men, I think there's like positivity. Exactly. And so when men, when it comes
00:34:42.660
to masculinity, it's kind of like, it's just, it can go so far to the other side where it becomes
00:34:49.160
toxic. And we know that there's an attack on men in our society. And this is what is produced from
00:34:54.260
that. Right. It's, it's because these bad actors are, they have a big following and they're setting
00:35:00.080
a bad example for men. Um, and I guess with so many young people being unsupervised on the internet,
00:35:05.760
it, it's become even more of a problem. And we've seen that in the transgender movement with young
00:35:09.820
girls on Tumblr and all those things. Yeah. It's, it's literally like, he's like the male version of
00:35:15.280
like an eco-feminist who's like, I'm not going to have children because the earth is going to be burnt
00:35:19.060
down in 30 years. It's like, that's toxic. Yeah. And he's toxic and both are very stupid,
00:35:24.620
but it's just funny because I feel like women are playing into this where they're like, I saw there
00:35:30.080
was an, uh, a video on sky news where this like author of something about like internet misogyny
00:35:35.500
or dangers of avoiding internet, something or other. Um, she calls Andrew Tate and his followed
00:35:39.500
followers incels. Oh, which is totally a misrepresentation because he's a womanizer.
00:35:45.180
Yeah. You literally can't be a womanizer and an involuntary celibate at the same time. Like,
00:35:49.820
it's just like, this girl is on the news and she's completely like, I, I did authority. I did
00:35:55.620
two seconds of research and I'm like, well, he's not an incel. Like he has girlfriends. He exploits
00:36:00.320
women. That's not an incel. My, my love, my precious angel. Um, and it kind of gets confusing
00:36:05.380
and it, and it's what happened to Trump. Yeah. It's so true. You start calling him an incel and all
00:36:10.460
these horrible things. And it's really hard. It's like not saying, I think it's very confusing
00:36:14.620
and really hard to pick out the truth. He's a jerk. Yeah. And he's not an incel. And the thing
00:36:20.140
is, if this person is as horrible as the internet claims he is, then that's good. And we should want
00:36:25.520
to call that out. But I think we should be reasonable because we don't want to, we don't
00:36:28.680
want to spread misinformation. All you progressives out there hate misinformation. That's what she's
00:36:32.960
doing. Yeah. Like we need the fact checkers on these lefties, you know? And I think like,
00:36:37.400
I've heard Joe Rogan say this and I'm sure he didn't come up with it, but it's like,
00:36:39.960
you got to fight bad ideas with good ideas. Yeah. So if, if we ban Andrew Tate from the
00:36:44.760
internet, we don't know what crap he's spewing anymore. What you need to do is if you actually
00:36:49.060
think that Andrew Tate is trafficking women or raping women, like keep an eye on him.
00:36:53.620
Definitely. The, the, the powers that be should definitely be keeping an eye on him and watching
00:36:59.380
what he does. And the second that he commits a crime, it'll be a lot easier to tell what
00:37:02.840
he's doing when people are following him and looking at him and he's posting stuff on the
00:37:05.980
internet than if he's doing it in the darkness of the shadows. But by banning him, you're not
00:37:12.640
saving anyone. His followers will just follow him. And now I didn't know who he was. No.
00:37:17.420
And now I do. He was on Tucker Carlson, you guys. For God's sakes, you guys. And that's
00:37:21.740
your fault. And now our fault because we're talking about him too. But it's like, we didn't,
00:37:26.380
nobody knew who he was a month ago, except for, except for a bunch of crazy, like guys who want
00:37:31.220
to go to Hustler University. And now everyone knows who he is. I think the problem is though,
00:37:37.080
with the right and the left is that, okay, so the left's calling this person out. So conservatives
00:37:41.920
automatically feel as though they need to defend him. And it's like, maybe he has some decent ideas
00:37:47.100
about masculinity to an extent. Maybe. Yeah. I mean, he's like super anti like pandemic mandate.
00:37:51.880
Sure. Like I can give him credit where credit's due, but if someone's a bad guy, you, you shouldn't
00:37:57.660
be blowing smoke up his ass. Your ideas shouldn't ban you. Your actions should. And unless you're
00:38:02.080
calling for actual violence against people or like doxing people, you should be able to talk
00:38:07.080
freely on the internet until you're committing crime in real life. Cause like, if he's a creep,
00:38:11.840
he's going to exploit, like give him the rope to hang himself with. Yeah, exactly. He's going to
00:38:16.260
expose himself. Let him do it. And he, no one cares. No one should care about him, but we care.
00:38:21.680
More people know who Andertate is now than they did a month ago because of all this. And that's
00:38:25.760
exactly what he wants. Now he's on Tucker. Yeah. And now he's on Misunderstood. World renowned
00:38:30.980
show. World renowned. It's Tucker and Misunderstood. And it's like, it's like, it's like, we don't
00:38:37.080
know which is better. The ratings are just constantly, it's like. They're always fighting
00:38:39.980
against each other. It sucks. So we do apologize for making this person more famous, but it's
00:38:46.500
important to talk about because I think the key could, could just be, and obviously we're part of
00:38:51.280
the problem, but like when conservatives. We're a huge part of the problem. But when conservatives see
00:38:54.960
these things happen, just like, shut up about it. Like we don't need to comment on everything.
00:38:59.240
And also there's some nuance. There's nuance. Just because lefties hate him doesn't mean
00:39:03.000
you have to support him. And just because we support, like conservatives support him doesn't
00:39:07.180
mean I have to support him and et cetera. Like they can be nuanced. If you can have a
00:39:10.860
nuance. I think that's healthy. And if, if feminists can be toxic, then you can bet your bottom
00:39:16.960
dollar that men can be too. And conservative men should be calling that out. Yes. Okay.
00:39:21.340
A hundred percent. Okay. Y'all talk about masculinity all the time. I'll call out the
00:39:24.680
bad stuff. Yeah, exactly. He's not a good, he is not a good guy. He doesn't treat women
00:39:30.220
very great. But do we ban bad people from the, like the town square that is social media
00:39:38.180
so that we don't know what they're thinking and who's following them? No. Not unless
00:39:41.180
he's a criminal. Exactly. Yeah. And then you'll lock him up behind bars like an animal.
00:39:45.480
No. Let him, let him do that. Yeah. Stupid. It's pretty stupid. Yeah. Think that's the
00:39:51.160
sure? I think that's the sure. That's the sure. We covered a lot today. Yeah. Thank
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