Miss Understood No. 35 — Feminists Lied, Femininity Died
Summary
In this episode, we talk about the lies women have been sold by feminism and the lies doctors have told us about pregnancy and birth. We discuss the lack of informed consent, the overprescription of anti-depressants, and the stigma surrounding birth in the modern era.
Transcript
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hello and welcome to misunderstood the show for the culturally and politically misunderstood lady
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or gent or non-binary or non-human we are your hosts i'm nat and i'm cat this week we are talking
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about all the lies women have been sold basically women are getting by feminism oh okay we're gonna
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skip the culture shock because we have so there's your culture shock that was shocking yeah sorry
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we're just gonna dive right in okie dokie so megan trainer says nurses implied that her use of
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antidepressants caused her newborn to be sent to the nicu cute so she got engaged in 2017 and they
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married a year later to her uh her husband daryl sabera and they welcomed their first child in
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february of 2021 and in an interview with romper megan recently revealed that her pregnancy and
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birth were anything but easy and she uh was on antidepressants when she was pregnant and her
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doctor told her that was fine it was a mild dose yeah yeah it was a low dose and her doctor said it
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was fine and they'll they'll do that and then her baby was sent to the n icu which is i guess natal
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intensive care unit yeah and i guess towards the end of her pregnancy doctors told her the baby was
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breached and they immediately scheduled a c-section so she was told kind of two lies in my opinion
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because c-sections come with greater risks but also physicians are actually routinely paid more for a
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c-section so in often times women actually go and get c-sections that they don't necessarily need
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that is absolutely terrifying and disgusting and horrible right because the thing is when you're
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pregnant i mean you're going to experience birth soon but i imagine you're very vulnerable and you
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want to do whatever is best for your baby so if a doctor is pressuring you like oh you got to get a
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c-section but in reality they're just late for a reservation and they want to make more money
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that's quite manipulative that's why i went with a midwife matt smart yeah smart and i'm taking a
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hypnobirthing class gonna be great gonna pop that baby right out of there gonna fly right out of you
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so that's the first lie that i think megan and many women have been sold by doctors and i think the
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second one is the antidepressant thing yeah talk about a lack of informed consent maybe yes so this is
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something i see all the time on r slash pregnant on reddit where women are routinely like i mean on
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that particular subreddit women are like it's fine you can have a little wine you can have some fish you
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can be on antidepressants it's like maybe some of that is true and maybe like maybe women are a little
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overly cautious when they're pregnant i know i like i think with your first you're often like overly
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cautious and we don't know like i don't think having a glass of wine is going to kill your kid
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but the the general attitude on that in this like toxic mommy culture is just like it's fine
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you shouldn't have to change your life too much like whatever is convenient for you so if you're
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depressed like you should be and your doctor says it's okay and that's the thing like your doctor
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says okay so it's okay but your doctor might also not know your history not take the time to actually
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delve into the actual drug they might be they might have like a deal with the pharmaceutical agent yeah
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that's like oh push it on because like i well and the issue are so many yeah and the issue with
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prescription drugs like antidepressants is that they're typically a first resort for doctors and
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it just speaks to how doctors in 2022 aren't really they don't want to cure you they want like a customer
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for life and we know big pharma is very keen on that um but the reason we're kind of tying the
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her newborn going to the nicu to antidepressants is because the nurses kept asking her if she was on
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antidepressants right and all and obviously she was told that it wouldn't affect her but the nurses
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kind of alluded to the fact that maybe that was the reason her baby wasn't doing well imagine the
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shock that you've just given birth and there's something wrong with your child and her kid is
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okay now but imagine the shock of like okay we have to take him to the intensive care unit um and do all
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these things to him and it's not it's you know touch and go and then they're like did you take uh any
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prescription drugs and you're like yeah but my doctor said it's fine like imagine the feeling
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the guilt and the distress that you would feel in that moment where it's like i was told it's okay
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and like thank god her baby's okay but what if he wasn't yeah and that's the that's the medical
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profession's fault like you know it's medical professionals fault and i just think it means
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we can't take anything that our medical professionals say at face value in 2022 we need to
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we need to do our own research and that's so sad that we can't trust these people who are in
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positions of authority well speaking of which uh they recently found that um the mrna vaccine
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transfers from breastfeeding women's breast milk into the baby which is something that again women
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were gaslit and lied to the entire time we were told pregnant women should get the vaccine
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breastfeeding women should get the vaccine and now there are studies coming out um here is the
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results of this study it says of 11 lactating individuals enrolled lactating individuals
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yes lactating individuals because you know men can do that too for sure for sure i know plenty
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of men who lactate uh trace amounts of the mrna vaccine were detected in seven samples from five
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different participants at various times up to 45 hours post-vaccination yeah so so they they go on
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to say we believe it is safe to breastfeed after maternal covid19 vaccination however caution is warranted
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about breastfeeding children younger than six months in the first 48 hours why is it under six months
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i'm sorry who is breastfeeding over six months i think a lot of people do actually i have a lot to
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learn no i think a lot of people do for a while longer than that but i mean i don't know every
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every mom's different but why what so suddenly after they're six month and one day old it's different
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it's different like i don't understand i think like as your baby gets older and older you start
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introducing again i need to learn i haven't taken my baby class yet it just seems like you start
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introducing food like definitely before a year it just seems like random to me though it's definitely
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random and it's also like the most vulnerable time that a child would need breast milk is when
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they're newborn yeah absolutely because they're because they can't literally can't have anything
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else they're growing berber and according to daily wire the journal of american medical association
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uh released the study to the public and has issued a warning for women breastfeeding infants so
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they're saying caution is warranted regarding breastfeeding infants younger than six months in the first two
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days after maternal covid19 vaccination and it's like a little too late yeah it's a little too late
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for their study you've been lying to us for two years now yeah well i guess the vaccine hadn't rolled
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out for the first year and a bit um at least a year you've been lying to everyone and telling them
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that they absolutely should not question this at all whether they're pregnant or breastfeeding
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and that it can't affect their child child and now we find that it can yeah it's just such an
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abusive power because as we already mentioned pregnant people are vulnerable and hormonal and the
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pressure like the pressure for these women to get the covid19 vaccine not only to protect themselves
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but their baby yeah like there is such an amount of pressure and it's just so evil and it's so
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manipulative because these poor women who maybe didn't want to get it did and now it may have
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negative implications on their child's health yeah it's like you should get the vaccine because it'll
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help your baby and now they're like well maybe you shouldn't have had that vaccine because it might
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hear your baby it's like too late babe yeah too late yeah but that leads into their next story
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covid19 vaccines linked to temporary changes in menstrual cycle new study confirms breaking news
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color me shocked yeah this okay nat how many girls do you know who took the vaccine that got
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changes in their menstrual cycle i mean gabriel finocchio who is like a he owns an app called
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theosu he was kicked off instagram for literally just sharing women's testimonies about how the covid19
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vaccine affected their periods yeah i know several women who were like oh yeah my period was messed up
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but i did that yeah it's fine but it's just because of stress or something so yeah well that's what they
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said the study conducted by the u.s based national institute of health found that the increase in
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cycle length resolved for most of the nearly 20 000 study participants following vaccination and i wonder
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if any women who were gaslit about this in the past are going to get an apology from the mainstream media
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do you think they will no no they won't and also what's crazy how did you just say most of yeah
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like most of the women in the study had changes in their menstrual cycle and we've talked about this
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before but when as a woman your menstrual cycle is a perfect indication of your health yeah and
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well it's not perfect i guess but it's it's a really good it's a really good indication of your
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health so when you're a healthy woman and your menstrual cycle changes all of a sudden you go to
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the doctor because you're like something there could be something off you could have a cyst you
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could have it could be anything like you're super stressed or weight loss stress like i was on the
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pill and i stopped getting mine for a while so i switched pills and i still didn't feel right so i
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got off the pill but it's like that is an indication that something's changed in your body and you need to
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look into it but they're like oh no you're fine like they literally said um ctv wrote an article in 2021
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women's health and immunology experts are hesitant to say if menstrual changes are a result of the
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vaccine until further research is conducted which it now has uh but noted that added stress of the
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pandemic may contribute to shifts in one's menstrual cycles sure convenient stress might cause yes but
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it's like what a convenient thing that you're saying like if let's just say the sample size is 20 000
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like it is in that study 20 like let's say 18 000 of those women or 15 000 of those women have changes
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and they're like oh you're all stressed from the pandemic yeah i don't think so sweetheart it's a bit of a
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cop-out and i think the real issue with all this new data coming out is that it proves that the jabs
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are experimental and the women who took the jab are now seeing the implications of that and it's like
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it's so unfair like they are the experiments and it's gaslighting it's gaslighting yeah yeah it's
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and it's it's just abusive it's just abusive i don't know no it's fine because they can tell you at
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the time that it's perfectly safe and to take it and then they can a year later an article will come
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out or a study come out like well maybe it's like those women already took it yeah so what are they
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supposed to do yeah nothing yeah and obviously our menstrual cycle represents a woman's fertility so
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what is this down the road yeah and down the road we don't know yet how this is going to affect a
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woman's fertility and they don't either and they don't either and it's just so unfair it's so unfair
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that we're taking away we talk about reproductive health all these progressive raw rawing about
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reproductive health well this this is a violation of that they literally call it reproductive rights
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yeah like this is this is your right to reproduce is being taken away actively by doctors who don't
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know like they could have said here's a vaccine you should take it if you are this and this and this
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and this susceptible to covid just note that we don't have they don't have to say it will kill your
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period it will make you infertile we're not saying that we're just saying they didn't know so they
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could have said we don't know what the effects will be on your fertility but instead they were like
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it's safe it's safe it's fine yeah you won't get covid if you take it yeah but that's none of
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that turned out to be true and i mean we'll move on but like one of the one of the other issues no we
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won't but so now new news is coming out about some of the negative effects and adverse reactions
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and this is only like a year after the vaccine passports rolled out what what are we going to
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discover five years down the road 10 years down the road 20 years like we have no idea the long-term
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of these women who were breastfeeding exactly and getting the vaccine or like someone who yeah got
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the vaccine when she was pregnant like we have no idea and it's so ridiculous it's so ridiculous and
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like i really hope that there's justice for all the governments who forced this on people who
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pressured people because it's so evil to experiment on people it's just you're experimenting on people
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yep while lying to them cool great okay next well another lie speaking of more lies lies that's the
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theme all right um this article is called why i'm the only obgyn who's not prescribing the birth
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control pill i mentioned my own anecdotal evidence uh earlier um that when i was on the pill i got
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stopped getting my period i lost a ton of weight i was moody switched pills i got kind of depressed
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when i went on the pill for the first time like i was just like raging and yeah that was not great
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to be around like three sizes yeah which is like the opposite of what's supposed to happen it's the
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opposite of what a woman wants um so apparently there's actually not a drop of natural hormones
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found in any of in any brand of birth control pill um so rather than containing natural hormones
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they're synthetic versions of endogenous estrada dial and progesterone and mother nature has never
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seen any of sorry has never seen these at any time in human evolution so they're basically
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pseudo hormones um which obviously interfere with the woman's key function and her ability to have a
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natural hormone production yeah so i think that when we're sold the pill we're told that they're
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naturally occurring hormones in your body yeah you're just like i think people don't question it at
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all no of course not because again like i when i was on the i was like 19 and i was at the
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university of western ontario clinic like the whatever just handed it out and they're just
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like here you go yeah you need to be on the pill you're not on the pill you need to be on the pill
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and i was like i was like lollipops okay like okay i guess um i guess it's sold to us in that it can
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prevent pregnancy and that's why people sure and i think that if you want to be sexually active and
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not resort to having an abortion or you're not ready for kids like that's a good option for you
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but you should know exactly yeah informed consent you should just know the risks and you might
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you might experience certain uh side effects and you should be told those things yeah so some of
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the side effects include blood clots depression and suicidal thoughts uh hypertensive potential
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effects years down the line can also manifest including irritable bowel syndrome autoimmune
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diseases osteoporosis uh heart disease diabetes insulin resistance kidney disease poor vaginal health and
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even dementia oh those are all pretty serious i mean at least if you get the dementia you'll forget
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about all the other problems that'd be great yeah silver lining i guess yeah um so that's great
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yeah and i mean birth control kind of is interesting too to think about because although it it is a way
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for women to prevent pregnancy which can be seen as empowering it's also something that empowers men
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because it it basically absolves them from personal responsibility much like an abortion
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um so i i don't know there are pros and cons to that as well like is it really for women
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i i know you know that when a girl says to a guy oh i'm on the pill he doesn't maybe feel the need
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to wear a condom or whatever and she should have a like a say in that but sometimes men will just
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like take it off if they think that there's no chance of pregnancy and it's like that's not
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empowering for women at all well not to mention it incentivizes cheating like if you if a man or
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like if a man's married and he's like well i can't knock up my mistress so i'm just gonna go
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to town like i mean have you ever seen mad men that's when the pill was first introduced and
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around that time in the 1960s so just seems a little sus to me it is sus it is sus but but obviously
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we're not saying you shouldn't be on the pill everyone's body's different my body did not like
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it some women live on the pill for years and years and then they come off it and then they have
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children and their fertility is intact and that's cool and it is one of the things that allowed women
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to have more uh choice and and autonomy and control and time over their sexual reproduction
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their fertility yeah that's cool i think definitely not anti no contraceptive especially because it's
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way better than an abortion yes yes better than having a kid that you can't take care of but it's
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interesting that our society never tries to offer alternatives because there are other ways to track
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your cycle and to prevent pregnancy exactly we've talked about them in a previous episode and much
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like the vaccines like doctors are just so quick to prescribe drugs to people and it's like especially
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young vulnerable women exactly and it's like okay so a lot of the times they sell it to women like oh
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this will cure your cure your acne or help you with pcos and stuff like that but having like a healthy
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diet and exercise and those other there are other alternatives to treating those sorts of issues so
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it's like why isn't why aren't our doctors trying to push for healthy alternatives rather than just
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giving them a pill and hoping it solves all their problems i just no i think it's icky yeah it's anyway
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okay moving on okay here's a fun article this one is just for fun um it's from the atlantic it's called
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the best skin care is being rich and it sounds like it's from the onion or something but it's not and
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it's true um so true there's a quick quote here celebrities wouldn't be as distractingly beautiful
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without dermatologists estheticians and the women behind the beauty counters at bergdorf gordman
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yeah goodman sorry you can drink as much water and wear as much sunscreen as you want but the
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most effective skincare trick is being rich yeah it's funny because the article also says like
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uh general wisdom of skincare has two simple steps do healthy things wash your face avoid the sun stay
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hydrated wear sunscreen and get plenty of sleep of sleep step two apply the right goop to your face in
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the form of creams and serums if you find the right product and live the skincare lifestyle
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no alcohol no dairy don't enjoy anything then you'll be rewarded with the glow of the youthful
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and righteous yeah i know but it's like um or you could just have an exorbitant exorbitant amount of
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wealth and just spend it at the dermatologist and and this is a lie that's sold to women i think in
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two parts number one because celebrities are always like oh it's just i drink a lot of water and that's
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why my skin is so beautiful little mascara and then number two the the way for us to achieve
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beauty much like they have is to spend loads and loads of money so it's like the self-love movement
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is so expensive yeah it's so expensive i've mentioned this before those little fridges
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yeah i want one but i need to it's a side point but they're like oh you need this little fridge to
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put beside your bed for your night cream and it's like do i do i need that do you need it do i need
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yes you do but still but the point is is it's not going to make me feel as beautiful as the women
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that i see on instagram who have tons of money to spend and those women don't even feel that
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beautiful because they're still filtering the heck out of their faces and i think that it's never
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enough it's that's the point you always have to take the next level instead of us regular 99 percenters
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comparing ourselves to the fake filtered versions of the one percent that we see we should just try and
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be comfortable in our skin and yeah and do the things like get well i don't think we should avoid
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sun no but we should drink lots of water eat a healthy diet like exercise exercise i like when
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i'm not pregnant do enjoy alcohol once in a while so i wouldn't say avoid it all come all together but
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no but your skin will be better everything in moderation exactly yeah your skin will be better if
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you eat less sugar if you drink less alcohol but but live your lives because you're not going to have
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that perfect glass skin that you see on instagram first of all it's filtered second of all they're rich so
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let's not compare ourselves to those people yeah and again like this is a another lie that's sold
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to women because we're always told we just got to love ourselves more just buy this just do that and
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it's like love yourself but also buy this stuff exactly and it's like we should not as you just
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said compare ourselves to these people who have endless resources and money and it's like
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you know time and and then it's even more of a slap in the face to us normal folk when these
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celebrities sell skincare products to us that we know they're not using like kim kardashian is not using her
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stupid skincare line her overpriced skincare line like she's not so don't listen to these people
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yeah learn about your own body yeah and uh and you know what cera v survey cera v cera v cera v
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it's great derma it's dermatologist recommended drugstore brand it's great and look at her skin
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she's literally grow it's like 11 it's like 11 dollars for a for a cleanser right you don't need to
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look at her millions of dollars she looks like an angel yeah well it's okay does that to you
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pregnancy does that okay so also just get pregnant yeah you want great skin okay all right moving on
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how modern day feminism fails to be pro-woman so modern feminism fails to be pro-women because it
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brushes off those who don't believe that smashing the patriarchy or breaking socially constructed
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gender roles will solve our problems yeah um then they go on to say that character trumps gender
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men can be jerks women can be witches etc etc and um mod and then it goes on to say modern feminism
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also fails to be pro-women in that virtue such as piety purity domesticity and submissiveness are
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scorn snubbed and degraded so basically it's targeting all you christian women really i wanted so
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i totally agree with this article in general i just like the the part that you just talked about um
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piety purity domesticity and submissiveness i don't like personally think you should be submissive
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to anyone but god well you're actually called in the bible to submit to your husband in the new
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testament but have you looked up the definition of submissive because it's literally giving power
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to someone else over your life so like well when you're married though you become one anyway yes
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and you should be that is submissive i guess but it's sort of like the actual definition of submissive
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is literally like you give someone else power over you i think in terms of giving that to god sure
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and like my husband and i like he takes the lead on many things but there's things that he will
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take my advice on like it's like well it's still you're still in a relationship yeah like i think
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that you could take it too far where you're like yeah where you're like in a sub dom situation where
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you're like yes master but that would not be biblical that would be yeah fair enough yeah fair enough but i i
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agree with you like that that is a it's a big word but and it's a and it's a loaded word people get
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really upset by it and i wanted to see the definition because i'm like well maybe it's not
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as bad the definition is pretty hard in the biblical sense it's just like like men are called to love
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their wives women are called to respect their husbands and submit to their husbands as in like
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the way you would submit to god okay yeah but i don't know but i feel like that should be more mutual
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like maybe i'm a raging feminist but it's like i'm not gonna just be like oh whatever
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you think like well i think you should still think critically and you're obviously gonna look out for
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yourself like you at the end of the day all you have is you yeah or like what i think is best for
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the family it's like if he says no we're doing it this way and i have if i'm like i don't actually
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dictatorship yeah like i don't actually think that maybe you don't have all the facts here like i don't
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i'm not gonna um be rude or like no no i agree with snarky about it but it's like maybe we should
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rethink this and like if you were truly submissive maybe and maybe it's not actually being truly
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submissive in a biblical sense but maybe if you misinterpreted that yeah you'd be like well i
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might have a better idea but he knows best because he's the man it's like maybe he doesn't girl maybe
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he doesn't no i agree give him your two cents i mean i'm this is one of the things where i continue to
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fall short as a wife because i am so stubborn so i mean i'm not i'm not here pointing fingers at
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anyone i just am saying that's what the bible says and i think there's nuance to it yes for sure
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obviously and i think that's why people get upset at the bible because they're like oh obey your
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husband yeah there are but your but your husband's also called to love you the way jesus loved loves you
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and jesus literally died for you so that's actually a heavier burden to carry like that's actually
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theirs is a little harder thanks babe yeah okay um do better men no i'm just kidding i'm just
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kidding um but yeah i agree with you um i just think what the issue is with feminism which we've
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talked about like countlessly is that women just should just be allowed to have a choice of what
00:23:50.740
kind of woman they want to be like if you want to stay at home we should we should respect that like
00:23:54.800
there are all these feminist claims to be pro-choice except for when it comes to women choosing to be a
00:23:59.060
mom yeah or anything that's domestic or feminine at all it's like oh you you're just you're you're
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submitting to some male like thing it's like no actually i want to do that and that's what i choose
00:24:12.280
to do exactly and that's empowering because you're choosing that life for yourself and that means you'll
00:24:16.680
be good at it and you'll be happy doing it obviously if you live in a culture where forced exactly
00:24:21.580
like in a ren where it's like you literally can't get a job you can't go to university you can't be a
00:24:26.780
member of parliament or whatever it is that's not empowering that's not choice but in here in
00:24:32.380
canada we do enjoy so much power and choice but you're always pressured like nat just said to
00:24:39.320
choose career to choose to be the taxpayer to choose to be the heart cutthroat businesswoman it's like
00:24:44.420
why is it not okay to choose to be a domestic woman yeah i i completely agree and it kind of
00:24:52.000
speaks to the fact that feminism is trying to erase femininity in a way because it's like that's
00:24:58.040
in our nature a lot of women just feel a calling and a pull to that because it's just who they are
00:25:03.880
because that's the way god made us and again there's a nuance there like everyone's different
00:25:08.040
not all women feel absolutely like our next author um that we're going to talk about megan murphy like
00:25:14.380
in this article here uh no women can't have it all she talks about like her personal choice was not
00:25:21.100
to have children yeah and she's content she's content she's like i don't know how old she is
00:25:25.000
but she's like i don't want to have children i never did i feel the same way as i did when i was 18
00:25:28.800
but women who do want to have children you're told constantly that you can put it off put your career
00:25:35.080
first um you have all the time in the world time in the world you can you can get ivf you can use a
00:25:40.140
surrogate you can basically cheat science and cheat mother and play god and play god when when her point
00:25:46.500
is no you cannot you can't have it all if you want to have children and be a mother you have to
00:25:50.900
prioritize that and you should do it when you still have time and for women who don't want to that's
00:25:56.580
cool too like yeah i think that's a choice that women should make for themselves because if you
00:26:01.060
force women to all be mothers you're gonna have a lot of bad mothers a lot of resentful women out
00:26:05.860
there so you don't want to do that no the there's beauty and choice yes in that in that regard and a
00:26:10.820
woman who really truly wants to be a mom is going to be the best mom yeah absolutely and it's
00:26:15.400
yeah so she basically says you can't wait until the most convenient time for you and guarantee you
00:26:19.560
will still be able to produce a child and it's funny because societies tells us the exact opposite
00:26:25.000
they're saying oh no you can wait and then it's all going to come together with a nice bow and life
00:26:30.760
is going to be exactly as you've always dreamed of and it's like well no because first of all like
00:26:37.160
you can have babies much later in life but having a baby in your 40s comes with many complications
00:26:43.160
actually and it may not even happen because we don't have infinite eggs no we don't even have
00:26:48.360
infinite eggs we've talked about this before as well there's no guarantee that your eggs are going
00:26:52.200
to be viable and that it's expensive and that your kid's going to be healthy when they're when they're
00:26:56.480
grown up um that i wrote so many on the eggs thing here's a quote from her article um freezing your
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eggs will cost you tens of thousands of dollars and offers no guarantee that once you're in your 40s and
00:27:07.640
feeling ready to have kids you will actually be able to get pregnant at that point the odds are
00:27:11.400
working against you biologically available eggs are not the chance of getting pregnant past 40 are
00:27:15.620
low miscarriage becomes a higher risk and complications for you and the fetus become more
00:27:19.280
likely so there you go but we're constantly told like don't worry about that like yeah you literally
00:27:26.980
can play god we saw in the picture on the front of her article here is chloe kardashian who's
00:27:32.280
approaching 40 i would think yeah um who just bought a baby yeah and she like she megan talks
00:27:41.680
about the whole process like we've talked about this on the show before too and and one of the
00:27:45.560
things that's interesting about surrogacy specifically is that a lot of times hollywood
00:27:50.180
people use it out of convenience and it's like obviously there are instances where some women
00:27:55.900
cannot have kids whatever they want to have a surrogate i we've talked about the ethics of this
00:28:00.140
before we're not here to condemn you i just think when you're doing it because you have the money
00:28:04.020
yeah and you don't want to ruin your body your body you don't have the time to have make love with your
00:28:09.200
husband or you're not in a stable enough relationship an article that was like riyanka
00:28:12.960
chopra yeah we can't find the time to have sex but you can have the time to have your baby and it's
00:28:18.440
interesting raise your child because so this baby that was born for chloe via surrogacy and during the
00:28:24.700
first episode of the kardashians second season of the show the family seems concerned about chloe and
00:28:30.660
she seemed detached from the process as though they're unaware that she's literally detached from
00:28:35.880
the process and that's one of the issues with surrogacy and and megan murphy has a really beautiful
00:28:40.200
quote about this too if you don't mind me reading it um the situation would be a dark one for any woman
00:28:45.700
because she was also cheated on by tristan thompson um but the thing is she wasn't pregnant and she
00:28:50.820
wasn't having a baby another woman went through a pregnancy and had a baby that woman is erased in
00:28:55.340
order for chloe and her family to maintain their delusion that somehow implanting an egg inside
00:28:59.420
another human then paying that woman for the right to take the baby she gestated and birth from her
00:29:04.160
equates to chloe having a baby yeah because that's how chloe was talking about it she said i'm having a
00:29:09.740
baby it's like no you're not you're buying a baby and it's so sterile and yeah your baby is a
00:29:14.640
transaction and like in the picture there's no skin contact between her baby and her like that's the most
00:29:20.400
as soon as your baby's born they they put it on you exactly well and it's interesting because i
00:29:25.960
actually watched this scene and it this this woman gives birth to the baby that she's carried for nine
00:29:31.600
months and then right away out of the mom's womb hand it to chloe and it's i understand that it's
00:29:36.180
chloe's genetics and i'm sure she loves her baby but chloe's a perfect stranger to this child and i just
00:29:41.400
think it's so cruel it's sterile it's like it just kind of icks me out i don't know it's super
00:29:46.760
creepy there's no intimacy and again like not to talk about myself but like i i'm already bonding
00:29:52.520
with my kid like i feel like i haven't met her yet but she's in my belly and i can feel her kicking and
00:29:57.180
i talk to her and i can like if i knows your voice yeah exactly she knows the vibration of my voice and
00:30:02.180
like if i touch my belly in a certain spot sometimes she kicks there and it's like that's so crazy and
00:30:06.560
she's like leave me alone yeah she's like get out of my room chloe has none of that yeah it's and
00:30:12.100
she's not even touching the skin to skin she's on her phone yeah in the photo she has her newborn
00:30:17.320
baby in her hands and she's on her phone and the baby's just like am i a prop yeah it's sad it's
00:30:23.400
just yeah it's just cruel and a little as megan murphy says dystopian in a way i mean it's just
00:30:28.340
that's literally what handmaid's tale is about surrogates like if they're just a bunch of surrogates
00:30:32.600
if you haven't seen the show so it's like it's just so sterile i don't know yeah it's it's weird
00:30:38.100
it's cute anyway anyways women can't have it all so if you want to have a baby if you're thinking
00:30:42.680
about having a baby and you're in a stable relationship or marriage you should just have
00:30:46.420
your baby i said the same thing about dogs yeah people are like oh i wish i'd have a dog i was
00:30:50.660
like you should get a dog just get the dog you want a dog you should get a dog because i've never
00:30:53.520
once regretted having my dog she is either an angel pepe is the light of my life exactly anyway
00:30:57.760
okay moving on great so this is something we've talked about multiple times on the show and it's
00:31:02.340
you know the changing concept of woman will cause unintended harms i mean what is a woman
00:31:07.260
yeah this article is really interesting because the author comes at it from a philosophical point
00:31:11.920
of view because like she talks about like categories of things it's like a house cannot be a car
00:31:16.440
so she's not even she's really really trying not to be transphobic she's really not trying to be
00:31:24.480
hateful or whatever she's literally just talking about it from a philosophical categorical point of
00:31:28.220
view and she makes such good points yes one of the points that she makes is um in a superficially
00:31:33.900
comparable case such as coming out as gay there is still an underlying factor sexual orientation
00:31:38.820
that secures your membership it's not just a matter of saying you are gay i think that's really
00:31:43.500
interesting because i never thought about it like that it's like you can't like you have to actually
00:31:47.980
go through the thing you have to be gay you have to be gay to be gay in a relationship well i
00:31:51.560
identify as gay but i'm having heterosexual yeah and the same the same goes she talks about um
00:31:56.820
a person might self-declare that she is transracial but there's no such thing as being
00:32:01.540
transracial there's only thinking falsely that you are so it's interesting that we don't accept
00:32:06.520
that but we accept that a man is a woman because he says so it just doesn't make sense to me i know
00:32:11.900
and i we i said this on the live stream earlier and i'll say it again it's a little misogynistic
00:32:17.920
for a man because often these things are but like there are trans men of course but so many of the
00:32:25.320
ways that they're defined they're changing definitions and they're they're cheating the system
00:32:28.860
they're cheating the system and they're invading on female spaces etc it's happening from when
00:32:32.320
males transition to females yeah and it's so misogynistic it's literally just like back in
00:32:37.380
the day when women would beat wives and they would own them and you can't do this and that it's like
00:32:42.280
it's the same thing we're literally just being erased and stepped on but because we don't want to
00:32:47.300
we don't hurt the feelings of the trans person now yeah it's fine like in 50 years we're gonna look
00:32:53.300
back on this and be like what were we doing yeah yeah and and she also talks about how the category
00:32:59.540
female is important for understanding the particular challenges its members face such as um as such
00:33:06.360
these include a heightened vulnerability to rape sexual assault voyeurism and exhibitionism to sexual
00:33:12.040
harassment domestic violence certain cancers anorexia self-harm and so on um so men don't have to deal
00:33:20.100
with that yeah and she and that last part of that quote is if self-declared trans women are included
00:33:24.360
in statistics understandings will be hampered and it's true because if if you're a woman but you're
00:33:29.640
not actually a female like biologically and you're in this group now and they're like oh do you have
00:33:35.540
all these feelings and it's like no i don't have that i don't have sub ovarian cancer because you
00:33:39.300
don't have any ovaries now the statistics like we're not talking about feelings here well and
00:33:43.660
they're talking about statistics and and math like exactly numbers will be skewed and there's no
00:33:48.960
criteria like what's the criteria for a woman because apparently now it's just self-declaration
00:33:53.720
i mean not all trans people seek surgery or take hormones not all of them even consistently dress
00:33:58.720
or self-adorn as stereotypical feminine as in a stereotypical feminine or masculine way so it's
00:34:04.120
like what is the criteria what does it mean to be a woman you know okay we have a lot more to talk
00:34:08.580
about but we're gonna just there's so many other articles that we read for this uh in preparation for
00:34:15.020
this there's a great one from time uh written by christina hoff summers from 2014 there's no way
00:34:19.740
they would let her write that today six feminist myths that will not die um this other one is from
00:34:24.540
evie this former cosmo writer dishes on how the magazine lied to sell women feminism that's a really
00:34:28.660
interesting one as well um and then so many lies essentially that have been sold to women
00:34:34.580
in the name of female empowerment and i just think it's important for us to think about why
00:34:41.860
why women are specifically targeted by these sorts of propaganda i guess because women are
00:34:49.100
constantly like this is no different than before the women's rights movement it's literally men
00:34:55.780
trampling on women once again it's just now they're wearing wigs exactly and feminism is dead
00:35:01.700
true feminism in its in its original form is gone and it's really unfortunate and i don't really know
00:35:09.560
what the solution is but we're living in a world that's just so chaotic yeah we need actual biological
00:35:15.900
women to be strong and stand up for their rights and that's actual old school feminism so we need
00:35:21.000
to bring back those broads yeah those old those broads and yeah yeah don't be afraid of standing up
00:35:25.960
for yourself as a woman because you deserve to take up space as a woman like yeah god created some of
00:35:30.840
us more space there you go like god created male and female and both genders should be celebrated
00:35:36.840
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