Miss Understood No. 38 — Don't Normalize The Bulge
Summary
In today's episode, we discuss Taylor Swift's new music video, Fatphobia, and the lie sold to us by the body positivity movement. We also tackle masculinity after Tom Brady and Giselle Bunchen's divorce, and discuss the scariest thing happening to women currently.
Transcript
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Hello and welcome to Misunderstood, the spooky show for all you culturally and politically
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misunderstood goals and goblets. We are your hosts. I'm Kat. And I'm Nat. And in today's episode we're
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going to talk about fat phobia and the lie sold to us by the body positivity movement. We also
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tackle masculinity following Tom Brady and Giselle Bunchen's divorce and discuss the scariest thing
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happening to women currently. Trans tiktoker Dylan Mulvaney. But first let's just get into it
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because we don't have a culture shock. Culture shock, it's Halloween. Culture shock, we lost
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our bodies and we're just as embodied heads now. Yes. It happens. It's unfortunate. But
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it happens. So get over it. Yeah. Get over it. Alrighty. So everybody knows everyone's favorite
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climate criminal Taylor Swift is accused of being fat phobic in a scene of her new music
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video. When the scale displays a message instead of a number. What was the message? Fat. It was the
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word fat. Oh, so terrifying. Wow. That is really triggering. I'm triggered. I'm triggered. And I'm
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so glad that Taylor Swift was also triggered because it turns out guys, she ended up caving to the mob
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and she cut the scene from the video. She didn't cut the scene. She just, well, yeah, just the shot.
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The shot. Yeah. But the scene still remains and she's still standing on a scale. And we all know.
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Her alter ego is still disappointed. So it's like either she's underweight or she's overweight. And
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we know. Yeah. We know. We all know what it is. She's fat. She's so fat. But what people might not
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know. Whoa. Something in my eye. Whoa. My disembodied eye. Okay. What people might not know is that Taylor
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Swift actually confessed to having an eating disorder. Yes. In her documentary Miss America, which came out a
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couple of years ago. And I didn't know that about her. And you can, you know, you see someone skinny
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and beautiful and you just assume, oh, their life is so perfect. Everything's great. But no, she like
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has body dysmorphia and she suffers and she starves herself to maintain her small weight. And there was a
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compilation on the on the Twitters the other day about this is why people like Taylor Swift have
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eating disorders because it was like all these like, you know, those terrible gossip magazines that
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were like when she gained a bit of weight during the reputation. Like the cellulite. Yeah. I was
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like, oh, like Taylor Swift must be pregnant because she's so fat now. She has cellulite. Yeah. Cause
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she has skin. Yeah. You're not allowed to have skin. No. And it's interesting because this song
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Antihero, which she considers to be one of her favorite songs she's ever written. The music video
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that she wrote and directed as well is reflective of her own nightmare scenarios. So this is just her
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basically laying out, laying it all out there for people and her being really vulnerable,
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frankly. And I think it's kind of refreshing that she's like, hey, I have it all. I am a
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superstar. I'm a millionaire. And yet I still struggle with insecurities because I'm a human
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being, human being. Yeah. You know, and it's not allowed. No, you're not allowed. And that's what
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stands up. What stands out the most for me is that you're just obviously never pure enough or woke
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enough for the left. So I really hope Taylor, I mean, you, you gave this time, but it would be nice if
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you just took that into consideration and just stopped caring. Like they don't, they don't,
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they want you to be miserable. They want you to feel guilt. Yeah. It's like literally the people
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who hate her, who say this stuff and the argument that these people were making, um, I wrote it down,
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but it's basically like, um, Taylor's in implying that the worst thing you can be is like me,
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which is supposed to be fat. Yeah. And it's like, get over yourself. Taylor's not thinking about you.
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She's literally just having an artistic expression instead of tweeting about her anorexia.
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Yeah. She's making art out of it. Which is productive. Yeah. Well, you'd are. Yeah. And
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there's so many, like a lot of girls who have eating disorders are severely underweight. Yeah.
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And you know, last week we talked with the person with atypical anorexia who's like severely
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overweight. So that's okay. Yeah. It's okay. You're allowed to be fat. You're allowed to be fat and
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have an eating disorder. And like, we talked about it. There's a lot of mixed feelings there,
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but like at the end of the day, this girl is suffering from something. Yeah. So we sympathize
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with. Exactly. Who's to say that she's not, she doesn't have an eating disorder just because she's
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overweight. We think maybe she was glamorizing it a little bit. Um, but Hey, but, but it's
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exactly. It's her experience. And everyone's like, Oh, you're so brave. You're so like body positive,
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whatever. But then if Taylor Swift does it, who just happens to be gorgeous, it's not okay
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anymore because she has everything, but she can't have any actual real feelings. Like I
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can't imagine how much she must feel about that. Well, it's the same thing with the whole
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like my truth movement. So you're allowed to have your truth, but Taylor is not allowed
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to have her own lived experience. Like it just, it's quite hypocritical. And I also just think
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it's important to point out that calling someone fat is not offensive. That's a fact. Like
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there's fat and skinny. Like it's pretty obvious. And like, you're allowed to feel fat when
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you're not necessarily morbidly obese. Yeah. No, it's so true. Like, sorry. Yeah. It's
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unfortunate. It's unfortunate that she caved because it's you're now they know you're very
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weak and they're going to continue to prey on you, Taylor. And we don't want that. Although
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we'll make a great album. Yes. So I don't know. Please write a song about this. Yes. Please
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write a song. Okay. Um, anything else on that? I don't think so. I mean, I could go on for
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hours. I could go on for so long too. Um, she caved. She caved. Oh, actually there's this
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other article though, from the Rolling Stone, which is, they had, they just quoted this.
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Um, they say a bunch of crap and then they say, simply put, it's not that she thinks being
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fat is a bad thing, but that she was made to believe that it was. And I don't think that's
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true because no one thinks being fat is good. Like what, like what's bad is having an unhealthy
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body image and an unhealthy relationship with food. But no one's like, like that's, I think
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what the music video is more accurately representing. Like Taylor Swift doesn't want to be fat.
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Like, so we need to stop saying, you know what I mean? Do you know what I mean? Yeah.
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Like it's, it's not okay for her to not want to be fat. Like they're, they're implying that
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she's been like duped. Yeah. Like, oh, she doesn't understand that she's been tricked into
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thinking she doesn't want to be fat. Yeah. But she just doesn't want to be fat. She just
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doesn't want to be fat. And you know, most people actually don't want to be fat because
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it's unhealthy. Like we want. And uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable. You want to be healthy.
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You want to be able to move. You want to have nice skin. You just want to take care of
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your body because it feels good. You want your heart to not stop. Exactly. Like maybe
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you don't want diabetes. I don't know. Maybe that just means you're a crazy bigot. You're
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lunatic. And then, so we found this Twitter thread, which kind of debunks maybe, or like
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helps support why we think this is all a big scam. So this is from Gina Bontempo. She's
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a writer at EV, or she was, I assume she still is. She tweeted that, she said, I'm convinced
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the body positivity movement was created by a bunch of hot girls to eliminate a lot
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of competition so that they'd have a better shot at securing a high quality mate. It's
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brilliant. Convince other women to voluntarily self-destruct in the name of empowerment and
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self-love. Yeah. So then she goes on to say, go ahead, sweetie, you eat, you're doing great
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and you look amazing. Beauty standards are so unfair. Meanwhile, they're a size two and
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hip thrusting in the gym while eating fruit for dessert. Basically like mean girls in real
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life. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's great. And it's true. And it reminded me of, there was an article
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a couple of weeks ago that we couldn't get to because we ran out of time, but it was
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written by an ex writer at Cosmopolitan magazine who back, I think it was the 80s or 90s. I
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think it was the 90s. She was a writer there and she said that she had to hide the fact
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that she was married and had a child because it was so frowned upon at the, at the magazine
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and they were constantly pushing an anti-marriage, anti-child agenda on the readers, like editorially.
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However, the editor in chief herself was married. Of course. So it's like, they don't,
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they want you to be miserable. They want you to be miserable and alone and fat and sick
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and hate yourself. It's because they can profit off of your misery that way. It's genius.
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Of course. How do they sell you stuff without you hating yourself first?
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No, it's so true. And I think what's important to take away from Gina Florio's Twitter thread is
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that it's not like, it's not loving to tell your friends or family that they're healthy when they're
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not. Like if your friend was, you know, cutting their, slitting their wrists or, you know,
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doing something extremely harmful to them, you would call them out on that. So I don't think
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it's right as friends to encourage our friends and affirm them when they're doing something
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that's not good for them. That doesn't mean being an asshole, but the Bible does say, speak
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the truth in love. So you gotta, you gotta tell people the truth. That's the most loving
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Exactly. And Taylor Swift is trying to tell her truth by not sweeping the fact that she
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starves herself under the rug because it helps people like, Oh, I don't look like Taylor
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Swift. I'm not that skinny. Well, it's like, well, she suffers. Do you want to suffer?
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Like she does, when she looks in the mirror, she sees something that isn't necessarily like
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representative of what everyone else sees. Like that's body dysmorphia. That's not fun
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to deal with. So it's not like, Oh, she has everything. It's like, well, if you want to
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have everything, you got to starve yourself too. And it's like, that's not healthy. That's
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She's setting a good example and it's nice. I think it's nice for other women to know that
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they're not alone, you know? I don't know. And of course, like we've talked about this
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before throughout history, beauty standards have been impossible to achieve right now, even more impossible
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because you have to basically reconstruct your entire body to look like Kim Kardashian. But
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I mean, the pendulum has also swung too far with the body positivity movement. Yeah. Women do come
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in different shapes and sizes and they're, they're beautiful, but that doesn't mean like they're
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healthy. We need, we need to be promoting healthy and that doesn't matter what size you are. It's just
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the overarching thing. Like you need to be healthy. You need to take care of yourself and then you can
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prevent Alzheimer's, which is great with high fat diets with lots of fiber. Yeah. Cut out them seed oils.
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You know, um, that brings us to our next article. Disney goes big with its first ever plus size
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heroin. So I don't even have a problem with this personally. And here's why this character is
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just adorable. It just looks funny to me. Yeah. She is cute. She looks like an eraser. Yeah. She
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does look like, no, she's very cute. And I, I, well, I wrote this article. Yes. Um, but the thing that I
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take issue with is that athletes are literally the most physically fit people on the planet,
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especially ballerinas, you're supposed to be a symbol of strength and health. And so when you
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look like a strong eraser, okay. But like when you put someone in a position where they're chubby
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and they're an athlete, I just think it's a complete lie. And I think it's actually a little
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dangerous for Disney to perpetuate this lie. Cause it's like a, like this person would never
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be a ballerina in real life. Yes. However, ballerinas are notorious for also suffering from
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eating disorders. Absolutely. So like, so there needs to be a balance. And also she's not, I don't
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think, I mean, I don't know. I haven't seen it, but is she supposed to be a professional ballerina?
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I don't know. I'm thinking she's a kid, right? But I think she's just a, she's just doing ballet
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like in a, in a, yeah, I'm not sure. And if you're a chubby kid who wants to do ballet, that's pretty
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true. Yeah, exactly. It's adorable. But Disney has also, also been pretty keen on perpetuating a certain
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narrative and they do have an agenda and we know that their agenda is not the healthiest for
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children. No. So that's also where I'm kind of like, it's, it's tough because it's like on one
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hand, this is just a kid, but on the other hand, are they just trying to push that this should be
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normalized? Yeah, that's a good point. You know? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know the answer.
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No. I just think like when I look at this character, I see someone with an endomorphic body and
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we know that there's, what is it? Ectomorph, mesomorph and endomorph. So ectomorphs are tall,
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skinny, lanky. Then there's mesomorphs who's like someone like me who's just like very regular.
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And then there's an endomorph who's like George Costanza, stocky. That's actually how I learned
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it. It was in high, in health class in high school. They were like, Kramer is an ectomorph.
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Jerry's a mesomorph and George is an endomorph. So to me, I see an endomorph. Like she doesn't even
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have, like, she's not like Lizzo. She doesn't have like, they didn't make her like rippling with fat.
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She just like, and one of the things, sorry. Well, it's just, she's also a kid and, and yeah, this is,
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this kid. It's a fat child. And they're going to have health issues when they grow up and they
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remain fat, you know? Yes, I agree. So it's just, but it could also just be, yeah, I think you're
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right. Like in terms, when I look at it, I don't see that. But if it's part of the story where they're
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like, oh, I'm super fat, but like sometimes cartoons are just like, oh, we're just doing like a thick
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thing. Yeah. You know? Sure. Which is funny because in this article, you know, you know that the Daily Mail
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noted that villains are typically the only plus side characters featured in Disney films and television shows.
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That's BS. That is, I literally wrote the Incredibles. The dad was an absolute unit of a man who
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couldn't fit into a spandex. Then there's Aladdin, Jasmine's father, who's a good guy. And then the
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Sultan, who's super skinny and tall. And then there's the emperor's new groove. The villain is
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super skinny. Yeah. 101 Dalmatians. So is the emperor. Exactly. He's skinny. Yeah. Like,
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yeah, well, it's funny. It's bullshit. It is. And they were targeted for this. Disney's been targeted
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for setting unrealistic expectations. Yeah. And I will say the princess's waists are,
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yeah, they're like Ariel's waist is literally like this. Even in the Cinderella remake with the
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live action one with Lily James, like her waist is literally like I could like snap her in half.
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Is this a real person? Yeah. And it's like, that's, and I don't know if it's part of her
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dress was CGI. So maybe they like cinched her waist. That would be disturbing. But yeah,
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it was really disturbing and it's really unhealthy. So again, like extremes are always bad, but I think
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in general, we should just be promoting healthiness because that's going to make you feel better.
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And yeah, I mean, as Christians, like we're called to take care of our bodies as well. Like your body
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is a temple of the Holy Spirit. So, you know, we got to take care of it. That's, that's a calling
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that we have. So I hear you. Like they could have, they could have done this exact same story with a
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girl who doesn't look like Ariel from the little mermaid. Um, with a normal, regular person. Yeah.
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You don't have to make her obese. And I'm not opposed to kids seeing different body shapes and
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things. The human beings are unique in that and that's okay. Like different bodies can be celebrated
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and we should celebrate people's strengths, but again, extremes. Yeah. And also it's another good
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point that you made earlier, which is like, this is a child. Like when you see a child who actually
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is that thick, it's like, there's something wrong. Yeah. You can gain, gain thickness as you go through
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puberty and get older and you're an adult, but like a child should probably be on like a normal way.
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Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. They should be able to run around. Yeah. Anyway. So now we have a couple
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tips on how to ditch the toxic body image mindset that you were taught growing up.
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First of all, just ditch your body altogether. Am I right? Yeah. I've never felt better.
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Anyway, these are actually some fruitful, fruitful points that this author makes. And it's, I didn't
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think about this before, but the diet culture of the 2000s, like that is what impacted us.
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Growing up. And I never really thought about it, but it's really just our generation who
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screwed up by eating disorders and like body dysmorphia. Well, now the kids are messed up
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from like trans. Yeah. Which is argued. Well, I don't know if it's, well, it's worse. It's
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worse. Yeah. You're sterilizing children. Um, but okay. Yeah. So let's maybe take the, so
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stop criticizing yourself in front of the mirror. That's a tough one, but it's an important
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one, but it's tough. And I think also just looking at yourself in the mirror less because like
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you're going to, you're going to create problems. That's it right there. You know? And by the
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way, I'm very guilty of this. Yes. Yes. And when I was in high school, I spent so much
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time staring at myself in the mirror. It was really detrimental to my mental health. Yeah.
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It's not good for you. Terrible. And then like looking at like those like Tiger Beat magazines
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and like, Oh, Selena Gomez or whatever, whoever the heck. And like, Oh, I don't look like
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her. Like, first of all, she's probably starving herself to death. She's got makeup on.
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And she's got filters on. She probably is struggling a ton. Exactly. Um, and I'm sitting in there
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in my residence room, like being like eating cookies, being like, Oh, I'm so gross. And
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the lighting's like prison. Yeah. It's prison. It's prison. It literally was prison. It's
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literally. Yeah. Uh, okay. Got the second one here. Avoid fad diets. Yikes. That was,
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that was all the rage. That was all the rage back in the day. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, I mean,
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it makes restricting yourself from certain foods. The article says might sound like a quick and easy
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way to lose weight, but all it really does is make you binge on unhealthy foods when you're done,
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which means once you slip up, you will gain all the weight back, if not more, because you know,
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it just makes sense. And we've talked about this on last week's episode as well. It's not healthy.
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No, it's not. So eat a balanced diet, everything in moderation. Like a fad diet could also be
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anything like eating disordered eating in any way. Yeah. I started myself all day. We talked about this
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last week and I'd go home and eat ice cream and you binge. Yeah. Terrible, terrible for you. And I've never been
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fatter. Yeah. And hungrier. Yeah. Ironically. It's a lose, lose. It's a lose, lose. Stop comparing
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yourself to others. Also super hard, but super important. It's so hard. And I think it's important
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just to remember, like, just cause you look like you, like Kat and I look very different. Okay. But
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that doesn't mean. Well, today we're. Today we're the same. Yeah. But that doesn't mean like one of us
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is less pretty than the other. Although, look at her. Look at us floating. But I'm just saying.
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Look at us floating. You don't have to be pretty like Kat. You're pretty like you. Okay. No one's as pretty as Kat.
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We all look. It's true. Yes. And don't compare yourself to me guys. No. No. We all look at
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so many beautiful faces online all the time. And we've talked about this before too. Half
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of those are literal filters. Like I'm on this Reddit, um, subreddit called Instagram versus
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reality. And I, even myself as a 33 year old woman who knows better, who knows about filters
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and all of that stuff is still like, Oh my God. They have filters on videos now. So you're
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like, no, it's real. It's a video. No. No. They can literally smooth your skin, make your
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breasts bigger, make your waist smaller, make your nose smaller, make your lips bigger in
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a video. They can put makeup on you. They can put makeup on you. Yeah. So it looks real.
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My head. There we go. Got to fix our heads. You know what? I think we got a couple of bangs
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sneaking in there. Let's just adjust. Okay. Quick head adjustment. But you know, a great example
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is like Jennifer Lawrence, Margot Robbie and Zendaya, all beautiful, all look completely different.
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So yes. And you know, they're all, people are very good at hiding their insecurities in public
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settings. Everyone struggles. Okay. You're not alone. Yeah. You're not. Unless you're just super
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ugly. I'm just kidding. And then call your surgeon. You're made in God's image. You're
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beautiful. Okay. You can have a beautiful personality. Yeah. Uh, all right. Okay. We got
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one more here. Yes, we do. Focus on health over weight loss. Do I have that one? I don't know,
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but it's, it's right here. Oh, on the same. Yes. The list. Sorry. Yes. I have it. It's focus on
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health over weight loss. I said it. I said it. She said it. Okay. Stop weighing yourself. Yes. And
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just all about balance. Getting rid of your scale. Yeah. That's one thing that being pregnant
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has been very traumatic for me. And it's in the most vain way possible. It's because every time
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I go to the doctor or the midwife, they make me get on the scale. And every time I've gained like
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20 pounds and it's really distressing. But before that, I never went on a scale. Yeah. Cause I was
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like, I look great. I feel great. I'm fine. But now it's like, gotta weigh you. Ooh, you should only weigh
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this much. And it's like, get off my back. Yeah. Leave her alone. Leave me alone. Leave her alone. I'm just ahead.
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Yeah. She's literally just as light as the head. Couldn't be any lighter. Couldn't be any
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lighter. Um, so don't weigh yourself. Yeah. All right. Let's move on. Yeah. We're going to
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talk about masculinity because Nat and I know so much about it. I'm a very masculine woman. We are
00:19:14.040
extremely masculine and experts on the topic. Absolutely. Okay. So I didn't even know how to
00:19:19.700
say her name. Bunchen? I don't know. I mean, Giselle Bunchen files for divorce from Tom Brady,
00:19:24.360
both officially single. Guys, this is such a bummer. Yeah. I mean, huge bummer. They began
00:19:29.700
dating in 2006. They got married in 2009 and they have two kids together, Benjamin and Vivian.
00:19:35.520
Um, and they've become one of the biggest power couples in Hollywood. They are such a power couple.
00:19:39.320
They really are. This is a hard one for me to joke. I don't even care about either of them
00:19:42.900
individually. Together though. But together they were. 13 years of marriage. Yeah. And now they're
00:19:46.940
just thrown it away. Yeah. Why? Well? Well, I mean, who knows? But, but apparently it's because
00:19:53.100
apparently she wanted him to retire and he did. And then he came back like two months later. And
00:19:58.580
then she's like, you know, you said you would retire. Um, there's lots of thoughts on this.
00:20:05.000
So she's obviously been a very, she's literally been the model wife, literally and figuratively.
00:20:10.100
Literally. Like literally, I guess it's just literal. She gave up her modeling career so he could pursue
00:20:16.380
his dream of being the greatest of all time, which he's achieved, uh, and to raise their beautiful
00:20:21.200
family. Um, so props to her. Um, but basically she just wanted him to be a more present and stable
00:20:28.580
and consistent member of the family. And he made this promise to her that he was going to retire.
00:20:33.600
And then because he has such an ego, in my opinion, he, he failed his wife and he let her down. And I,
00:20:40.020
I don't know. I think he really dropped the ball as a man here. That's why I think this is under
00:20:44.140
the masculinity banner. He put himself first. Like I just, you've already achieved everything
00:20:49.860
and now you can't let your wife. Especially because you're, you're past the prime age for
00:20:55.480
being an athlete. Like you've done it. You've won how many, I don't know. I don't know. Multiple
00:21:00.840
Superbowls. He's 45 years old. You know, you could take, you have like his net worth is like
00:21:06.200
$30 million. Sorry, $330 million. $330 million versus like $400 million, which is crazy. Also side
00:21:14.000
note, the fact that she gave up her career and is still has more money than him. Yeah. Because
00:21:18.100
and, and I mean, it's cool, but it's also like, he actually, he like literally works so hard. Yeah.
00:21:24.440
He works incredibly hard. And he has to, and he actually has to perform where she's just like,
00:21:27.740
I'm hot. Like those jean commercials I did in the nineties, they're still running.
00:21:32.460
You gotta say, I gotta say props to you. She figured it out. She figured it out and she's gorgeous.
00:21:36.920
Um, but I don't like this article about the selfishness of conventional masculinity like
00:21:43.660
so much because while I agree with what you just said in his exact, like in his instance,
00:21:49.280
they're trying to like, they're trying to make it. So the masculinity as a whole, it's a targeted
00:21:55.320
attempt to discredit being a man. And I'm pretty sure, cause this was written by a man. Yes. I'm
00:22:00.600
pretty sure he's just trying to cope with his own masculinity. Yeah. I mean, he's comparing
00:22:05.040
himself to Tom Brady and he's, you ain't Tom Brady. You work at Buzzfeed. Exactly. But so here's
00:22:10.620
a quote from that article that he wrote in a typical heteronormative partnership, a man who
00:22:14.600
channels all his energy into professional work denies that freedom of ambition to the woman who
00:22:18.940
was left to handle all the unpaid labor. He ignores an act of selfishness cloaked in proclamations,
00:22:24.720
proclamations of selfless selflessness. So I totally disagree with this because like he's saying
00:22:32.620
basically that if a man makes enough money and he's successful enough, he's forcing his wife
00:22:38.200
to not have a career of her own and to just support the family, which is like, first of all,
00:22:43.580
she could also have a career and they could hire people to do a lot of that stuff. Now you can't
00:22:47.160
replace parenting. Yeah. That's one thing that you can't replace. So both of them would have like to
00:22:50.940
be good parents. Both of them would have to give up a little bit of their career to focus on their
00:22:54.860
children. Yeah. And, and, and probably Tom Brady wasn't doing that part. So yes. Yeah. In that one
00:23:00.060
specific point. But as if Giselle is on the ground scrubbing the floors, like nine to five,
00:23:07.120
like working her butt off, doing laundry, like, like she has people for that. She was mothering
00:23:11.400
and I respect that. And the kids need a father and he probably dropped the ball there. But like,
00:23:15.700
he's saying, Oh, like all of the, all the traditional unpaid labor. First of all,
00:23:21.120
she has $400 million. Yeah. Second of all, they have people to do all that labor and they're
00:23:25.080
paying people to do it. So it's like, that's a terrible analogy. And I think that certain
00:23:29.500
marriages, the husband makes the money, the woman does the chores. And that's something people agree.
00:23:34.460
No, it's true. Before marriage. I think the problem is he made a promise to her that he was going to
00:23:40.380
stop putting his career first, which he should, by the way. And I think that she probably feels a bit
00:23:45.360
duped in a way. And it's kind of like one of the things that this writer in this article says that I do
00:23:49.920
agree with, because I am on the same page as you, is that for many, for many men like Brady,
00:23:55.060
stepping away from work can be intimidating. When you define yourself through your professional
00:23:58.620
status, give all of yourself to the enterprise. What is there left to come back to? Because
00:24:02.520
he's giving up his beautiful wife and kids to pursue what? Like you're already the greatest of
00:24:06.940
all time. Now you're going to come home to what? Nothing? Isn't that all too, like, that's what men say.
00:24:12.420
They do all that for their families. Yeah. And now you're, you're literally throwing it away.
00:24:15.580
What are you doing it for now? Yeah. You're doing it for yourself now. And it just seems really
00:24:19.080
egotistical to me. Um, like he's old, he's really old and success doesn't mean anything. If you don't
00:24:25.180
have anyone to share it with. Exactly. And he could, he could retire next year and then go home to an
00:24:30.900
empty host. Like he, yes, he'll have another beautiful model girlfriend, but his family,
00:24:35.560
his family of 14 years and his children won't be there. Yeah. And Thomas, St. Thomas Aquinas said,
00:24:41.880
um, paraphrasing this, um, it's basically the problem with Western men in 2022 is that the
00:24:47.160
unwillingness of a man to put aside pleasure in order to pursue what is difficult is the definition
00:24:51.820
of effeminacy. And I think that's, he just, he's just putting himself first and it's, I understand
00:24:56.680
it must be very difficult for someone who's been dedicated to their craft for decades to give it up
00:25:01.920
all of a sudden. I, I understand that. But you lean on your family. Yeah. And I mean, like your family
00:25:06.380
should be there to support you through that. Exactly. And I I'm sure that football's his DNA and,
00:25:11.020
but that doesn't mean you have to give it up fully. You can coach, you can, you can start a
00:25:15.200
charity. You can commentate. There are so many options for you. Your life is an ending. Your
00:25:19.580
life is just beginning because you're about to enter this new chapter and your kids are still
00:25:23.240
young enough. And it's just, I just think he dropped the ball. And he's setting a terrible
00:25:26.820
example for his children too. He fumbled on this one. And yeah, setting a terrible example. And again,
00:25:32.860
I'm, I'm totally, I agree with you on the Giselle stuff. It's not like her life was so hard,
00:25:36.580
but she did sacrifice a little bit of her life. I just meant in terms of the actual,
00:25:41.200
I'm terrified. That's terrifying. Okay. Um, I just meant in terms of housework particularly,
00:25:52.200
cause this guy's talking about that and it's like, bro, maybe for some people, but like to,
00:25:56.760
even for them, my point was like, no man is forcing any woman to do housework because he's so rich.
00:26:02.740
It's like a woman can be like, stop right there. I'm a doctor or I'm a lawyer or I'm a commentator
00:26:07.620
and I love my job. Like we can hire a nanny. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah. Like we can hire someone to
00:26:15.380
clean the floors. Like we can hire someone to drive the kids to school. Obviously you're going to miss
00:26:19.300
out on crucial parenting. The more you pay someone to do stuff for your house, but cleaning, give me
00:26:24.680
a break. Yeah. Like all that unpaid labor. Like no, give me a break. Also, you know, she consented to
00:26:30.300
this. It's like, maybe she's rewarded by the fact that she raised their children. I don't know. Maybe
00:26:34.380
she's satisfied. And it's just, she wants now that her kids are growing up a little more,
00:26:37.540
she wants to take a step away, which a lot of mothers do, by the way, they stay at home and
00:26:40.760
then they're like, okay, I want to do what I want to do. Very noble. Um, and I think that we should
00:26:45.580
be celebrating her rather than blaming the patriarchy. Yeah. But again, hopefully this doesn't
00:26:52.480
affect the kids. And I, I hope that they can reconcile despite maybe, I don't know. I know
00:26:56.460
they're filing, they filed for divorce. They're legally separated now, but I don't know. It's
00:27:00.560
heartbreaking. It is sad. It's sad. It is sad. Okay. One less article on this, I think,
00:27:05.880
or is there another one? I think we got one more. So this is from, we'll just slam through
00:27:09.680
this one. Slam through it. Uh, no real masculinity isn't toxic from Evie magazine. Um, there's,
00:27:16.480
uh, some good quotes in here. I'll just read one. The American Psychological Association published
00:27:21.080
a paper in August of 2018 that quickly garnered national attention, seeking out guidelines for
00:27:26.280
physiologists dealing, psychologists, sorry, dealing with boys and men. Though simply publishing
00:27:31.460
this paper, the APA substantiated the idea that men are actually inherently different from women
00:27:35.700
as they point out the unique needs of a man that a man must be addressed. Okay. That sounds good.
00:27:39.520
But then it says, while the paper raises some valid points, the underlying and subjective
00:27:43.240
definition of traditional masculinity appears deeply flawed as it attempts to show that masculine
00:27:47.880
traits are synonymous with toxic masculinity. You know what's toxic? Yeah. Toxic is weak
00:27:56.020
men. Yeah, exactly. That's literally what I wrote. Weak men are toxic. Men who pursue nothing but
00:28:00.620
pleasure. I would argue Andrew Tate is somewhat toxic the way he talks about women and, you know.
00:28:07.180
Yeah, that's fake masculinity. Yeah, that's, that's not a real, like, do you think that is a good
00:28:11.240
husband and father? Exactly. Like a man of God? Like he's not someone you want to bring home to mom
00:28:15.820
and dad. Near. And near. Um, yeah, like Jordan Peterson talks about this exact thing that no,
00:28:21.940
no one is more dangerous than like a weak man. Yeah. Because they have nothing to lose. They have
00:28:26.820
no control. They have no ambition. They have nothing to be proud of either. And they're the ones that are
00:28:31.820
the most dangerous in society. They're the ones who rape women in the streets. Yeah. They're the ones
00:28:35.620
who drug them at the club. They're the ones that shoot up schools. Those are the ones that shoot up
00:28:38.440
schools. Like it's not. And then you have the opposite man, a true masculine man who I think
00:28:43.780
I wrote down. Um, they're the ones who stand up to weak men. They're compassionate. They're
00:28:49.700
protectors. Like this, it's toxic to think that a man has to be toxic to be a man. Yeah. And that's
00:28:57.180
what's toxic. And obviously there's like such a, an effort to blur the definitions of what things
00:29:03.340
actually mean in 2022. But our society is literally crumbling because of a lack of strong men. And
00:29:08.300
we've talked about this on the show time and time again about fatherlessness and how kids need
00:29:12.460
their dads. And like our, our culture tries to deem biblical masculinity as toxic, but we need,
00:29:18.840
we need to embrace that again because it's not working out for us so, so well right now. Like
00:29:23.220
look at our leader, Justin Trudeau is like, he's literally a toxic male. He's so toxic. He's so
00:29:28.380
weak. No. And they're trying like, exactly. They're trying to vilify traditional masculinity as if
00:29:34.180
it's not what saved us from Hitler, not what built all the bridges in the city and created the
00:29:40.580
fundamental infrastructure that we all used to get around. Like the men that you drive by on the
00:29:45.540
highway who are doing construction on the road, those are men. Yeah. And we're trying to vilify
00:29:49.180
them just for being men. We're trying to vilify young boys who might be a little hyperactive
00:29:53.400
because they don't like sit. Like girls are particularly are better at sitting in class and
00:29:58.420
listening to teachers than boys are because they have different skills. They're a little hyperactive.
00:30:01.960
They need to get their aggression out. But we say like, oh, they're bad. They need to be drugged.
00:30:05.620
They need to be put on this and SSRIs. No, they need to rough it around a little outside
00:30:09.340
with their friends. They need to have something A to live for, to be proud of and a way to exercise
00:30:14.880
their energy just like women do as well. Yeah. So it's just, I'm so sick of the toxic masculinity
00:30:20.040
thing. Like if anything's toxic, it's the, sorry. It's the vegans. It's the feminists. Too much
00:30:26.260
soy. It's the soy that's making you toxic. It's literally toxic. Yeah. It's literal.
00:30:31.360
It's literal toxic. Yeah. So, um, yeah, you know, so just go and hug a man. Go and hug
00:30:37.700
a nice man. And also actually one of the other negative side effects of toxic masculinity in
00:30:43.820
its truest form, we now have biological men parading around as women. Uh, nothing, nothing
00:30:49.100
more toxic than failed actors like Dylan Mulvaney, who's everyone's favorite trans TikToker,
00:30:54.080
TikToker, uh, who has become famous and garnered tens of millions of views. He didn't want to
00:30:59.680
be famous before he was a trans. No, he definitely wasn't an actor trying to be famous before he
00:31:05.220
transitioned. And now he's had everything he wants just by putting on a dress. I mean,
00:31:08.460
even got a, even got a sweet interview with president Joe Biden at the white house talking
00:31:13.260
about girlhood because no one can talk about girlhood better than a biological male. Nobody
00:31:18.180
who is still intact. So we got this next article. So Caitlyn Jenner slams trans activist Dylan
00:31:23.860
Mulvaney, who called, who called to normalize the bulge. I just have a question for you.
00:31:29.100
Can women have a bulge? Like, uh, you know, there are different types of vaginas, but I'm thinking
00:31:36.800
not in the way that he's talking about. I thought historically the bulge was attributed to a penis.
00:31:42.860
Yes. Having a penis. Can women, do women have penises? No, they do not. Oh, they don't. Okay.
00:31:48.300
So sorry. Thank you for clarifying. Um, so there's a quote from Dylan that is disgusting. Um, what did
00:31:56.260
she say? Okay. So Dylan says, uh, he's talking about, uh, she got unusual stares from people in public
00:32:05.600
when he, she wore tight clothing and he, she says, Oh, I forgot that my crotch doesn't look like other
00:32:11.100
women's crotches sometimes because mine doesn't look like a Barbie pocket. Squeeze me. Okay. So,
00:32:18.220
um, first of all, women's downstairs areas. Don't look like Barbies. I don't know what he's even
00:32:24.860
like, first of all, you're making, you're making it sound, you're very, you're being very non-serious
00:32:31.640
about something that should be taken seriously. And you're like infantilizing women's vaginas,
00:32:38.380
which is what this person has done. I mean, they literally dress up like a little girl. We've
00:32:42.520
talked about this person on the show time and time again. Um, but also like the, the fact that clearly
00:32:48.600
this person, like you just said, has never seen a vagina because like, and fine, he's gay, whatever,
00:32:53.120
whatever. But now he wants to be a woman. Yeah. Now he wants to be a woman. Be a vagina owner. Yeah.
00:32:57.340
But women's vaginas all look different too. They do. There's not just like, Oh, I forgot. Mine is
00:33:03.580
different. Like girl, boy, whatever. Like they're all, it's a beautiful tapestry of different shapes
00:33:09.620
and colors. It's beautiful. Okay. Okay. And the point is, is like, you don't know what you're
00:33:15.680
talking about. So clearly you don't know what you're talking about and you're calling it a
00:33:18.820
Barbie pocket. And that's so insulting. It is. It is. And this person just minimizes girlhood to
00:33:23.920
things like shopping and screaming and lip gloss and all that thing. And we, as a woman, I like those
00:33:29.500
things. I'm proud to, to fit the stereotype to some degree. I mean, look at us, but like
00:33:37.400
you're not convincing anyone. Like you can't, you can't expect to gain support from women when you
00:33:42.580
just minimize us down to nothing like, but superficial things. It's weird. Yeah. So Caitlin
00:33:48.360
Jenner, um, tweeted at, I think this is a, uh, Senator from Tennessee, uh, Blackburn. Yeah. So
00:33:55.520
Caitlin Jenner tweeted at Marsha Blackburn. Thank you for speaking out and having a backbone.
00:33:59.300
One of the best senators we have. Let's not normalize any of this, uh, any of what this
00:34:03.560
person is doing. This is absurdity. Wouldn't you kind of argue though, that Caitlin Jenner
00:34:08.000
also is part of the problem in normalizing this? Cause I, I sat down and I thought about
00:34:12.980
it for a minute. It's a tough one. And I was like, although I appreciate Caitlin Jenner's
00:34:16.860
views, love Bruce Jenner, huge fan, um, RIP. But I mean, it was the Vanity Fair cover,
00:34:24.840
right? Where, where Caitlin Jenner was woman of the year, came out as a woman. And it's like,
00:34:29.380
since then it's kind of become much more normal. I've, I've before that, I never even really heard
00:34:35.380
about trans people and now it's become trendy and cool and glamorous. So I'm like, I don't know,
00:34:40.380
maybe Caitlin Jenner is part of the problem here. Maybe. And maybe Caitlin feels bad about that.
00:34:46.060
I don't know. It would be nice for her to say something about it. Yeah. Um, one thing I do like
00:34:50.520
about Caitlin Jenner is that at least in, you know, she's 60 or whatever. She's like 70,
00:34:56.060
whatever she's old. She's like, at least she's not dressing like a child. No, she dresses like
00:34:59.980
a very stately woman, which is appropriate for her age. Fine. Yeah, it's true. She's not being a
00:35:05.860
creepy. Yeah. Like Dylan is not a child. Although Dylan is much younger. Dylan is not 10. No. So why
00:35:12.660
are you, why are you dressing like a 10 year old girl and talking like a 10 year old girl? Like it's
00:35:15.900
just so disturbing. It's so disturbing. And it gets even more disturbing because there's
00:35:21.300
a transgender programmer who designed a game about slaughtering women, critical of gender
00:35:26.180
ideology. Wow. So that sounds like a toxic. Yeah, that's a toxic male right there. That's
00:35:32.580
pretty toxic. But you'll never, you'll never hear that word attributed to this person from
00:35:36.000
the radical left. So basically this programmer revealed a conceptual design for a video game
00:35:41.720
centered around slaughtering women that he refers to as gender fascist for being critical
00:35:45.820
of gender ideology. Imagine if you swapped out the so-called gender fascist with any other
00:35:51.300
person or race group. This game would be canceled. That's what, that's literally what I said.
00:35:56.320
Like, would it exist if it was, if it was about Jews or black people? It wouldn't because it'd
00:36:01.100
be literally horrible. Like it's horrible. It's horrifying. Yeah. Nobody wants that. No.
00:36:05.940
So I have thoughts on this as well because I have thoughts on everything. We all, that's what
00:36:09.400
we do. We have thoughts. Um, this is terrifying to me as a woman and as someone who's critical
00:36:14.560
of gender ideology. I just think it's, so thought number one, it's ironic that they use the term
00:36:19.200
gender fascist when they're literally the fascist. Yeah. They're like, they're literally slaughtering
00:36:23.560
people in a game. It's literally, yeah. It's literally, and like wanting to maintain female
00:36:27.960
spaces. That's it. That's literally all we want. I don't know. Side note. I've noticed that
00:36:32.240
there's a trend where they're trying to redefine the word fascism and they're literally trying
00:36:37.980
to add right-wing ideology onto it. But what fascism is, is an authoritarian, it's usually from
00:36:43.160
a government, but it's an authoritarian like line of belief that cannot be messed with
00:36:47.840
whatever, whatsoever to the point where your life will be taken if you try to speak out
00:36:53.320
against it. That's fascism. Yeah. So it can come from the right or the left, but this is
00:36:57.560
coming in terms of like, these people are literal fascists. This guy literally wants to murder
00:37:01.720
people. Now, before I say, continue on that. My second thought is, or is it art? No. Well,
00:37:09.960
like, okay, so Grand Theft Auto. Yeah. I don't think video games necessarily lead to violence.
00:37:15.680
No. But this is calling for violence. Like, this is truly manifesting how this person is
00:37:22.180
internalizing their hate. And who knows what's next? If everything is a slippery slope, now what?
00:37:27.120
This is encouraging and, you know, allow and normalizing this sort of abuse towards women.
00:37:33.100
I don't know. You're right. Grand Theft Auto, probably not inspiring people to go out and steal
00:37:36.420
cars and run over grandma. Probably not. I think that if you're a well-adjusted human being,
00:37:40.400
you can play a violent video game and not go out and commit violence. But I think because of how
00:37:44.240
polarizing the times are and how there is such a divide between people who are on, who are pro
00:37:50.300
trans and against, you know, the erasure of female spaces, I just think there's so much hatred in our
00:37:56.000
society that I think people are angry enough at people like you and I that they would be okay if we
00:38:01.420
got hurt in the streets. Yeah. So I could see this happening. No, I know. That's why it's scary.
00:38:06.780
But then at the same, like, so on one side, I'm like, I'm scared. This should be shut down. But
00:38:11.140
then on the other hand, I'm like, but people play Call of Duty, which is, you know, your enemy is
00:38:17.200
this army. And you're literally slaughtering them. I just think this is much more pointed.
00:38:23.220
It is. It is. But that's why it's a scale. It's like, where is the line? Like, who gets to decide
00:38:30.580
where the line is? Like, I think this is abhorrent. Yeah. But also, there's all these other games
00:38:35.440
that I think are fine, where it's just that the enemy isn't me. So I'm not bothered by it.
00:38:40.100
Yeah, but those are clearly fiction for the most part as well. They're not. Well, they're based on
00:38:44.660
like, real wars a lot of the time. But you're right. It's military. It's in the past. It could be more
00:38:49.940
generalized. Extrapolated. Yeah, I agree. I think that's where the issue is. I don't know. Like, I
00:38:54.080
I think like, it's funny that the people on this side of the aisle, the, the, the, I don't know what
00:39:00.860
we even call these people, the people who call us turps, the crazy gender ideologues. Yeah,
00:39:05.960
the demented people. They literally want us dead. Yeah. And I don't know. I think, I think,
00:39:15.060
yes, free speech to an extent, but this is literally hate speech. This is actually literally hate speech.
00:39:20.000
Yeah. So it's like, it's hypocritical. Also, like, it's just funny. It's just funny. Like the same
00:39:25.320
people who always are calling us, you know, bigots. Yeah, I know. That's, that's, they're
00:39:30.120
literally, they're literally, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Like if someone made a video game where you murder
00:39:36.080
trans people, I would be like, that's abhorrent. Yeah. Let's not do that. Yeah. But you would see a
00:39:42.540
lot of a different reaction. You would see people shutting that down immediately. And it just shows it's,
00:39:46.820
we're just really seeing people's true colors right now. Yeah. Fascinating and frightening all
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at once. Yeah. It's really, it's great. Yeah. I'm not sure what the solution is. But don't play
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this video game. And I think another game. And I think don't, don't let these kinds of things
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discourage you or, you know, make you afraid because you're pissing them off because deep down,
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maybe they know you're right or they just need somewhere to place their hate because they're empty
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inside. And I don't know, pray for these people, I guess. And pray that we get our bodies back.
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Yeah. Has anyone seen my body? Hello? Where? Where's, is it back there? Is there any,
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I, does Chapados have it? I don't know. I don't know what to say. Maybe Dylan cut us up and
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yeah, our bodies. Whoever has my body, please feed her. She's hungry. Yes.
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She's very hungry. All right. I think that's the sure. That's the sure.
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