Miss Understood No. 42 – The Baal-enciaga Saga
Summary
Nat and Kat discuss the new Balenciaga ad campaign featuring very young child models holding BDSM themed teddy bears and BDSM gear. Also, the father of the girl in the photo says his daughter had a "fantastic time" on set.
Transcript
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If Balenciaga were truly sorry for what they did, they would have fired everybody at the company and just started over.
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I think so, because there's just no, how do you, how do you remedy this?
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So if that's what she should be saying, fire everyone, just get rid of them all.
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Let's start fresh with some like conservatives.
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Maybe Kat and Nat can be your new, you know, if they want to go in another direction with like nice clothes.
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Like a little like Christian, you know, conservative, like pro-life.
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If they go in a completely different direction and fire everyone.
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Like, is this, are they distracting us from something?
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The show for the politically and culturally misunderstood lady, gent, binary, non-binary, non-Bob.
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And today we're talking about, we're taking this seriously, guys.
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The more that we read about it, the less we want to be alive.
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And might I suggest to all of our loyal and faithful fans watching this, do not do your
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Because, and I say that to spare you, because it is, it's not good.
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It's, you know, the term rabbit hole, I don't even want to use.
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I don't want to talk about any of this, but we're going to.
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So Balenciaga ad campaign features children with bondage teddy bears.
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So the luxury fashion house Balenciaga is raising child safeguarding concerns after launching
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a new ad campaign featuring children and bondage themed toys.
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Both of the image feature very young child models holding teddy bears.
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The father of the daughter in the shoot is defending it, insisting that the daughter
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It's like, sir, you pimped out your daughter for cash and she's a toddler.
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Did the very nice man take her to the back room and give her candy?
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But like, despite that, it's just very hard for me to believe that this child knows and
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So, of course, they're having a fancy fun time on set.
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But like, you know, they can't even pronounce Balenciaga.
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So we're no longer going to be shopping there, unfortunately.
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And then as of November 21st, Balenciaga scrubbed its official website, homepage, and
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social media following increasing public scrutiny.
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Well, it's good to know that people were scrutinizing this.
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So before we dive into all of the stuff, there was just a very funny thread that I sent you
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that I don't even have notes on, but I just wanted to mention it because this, I have
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to think, it was a website called High Society.
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And they were doing like an in-depth thread on like basically just saying anyone who calls
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And they were saying that the reason that they scrubbed their IG is because they always
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Like, so they took down this campaign and they put up the spring 2023.
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Like, so their feed looks like cool and cohesive.
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But it's like Christmas season, shopping season just started.
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What a weird, even if they're going to do that before spring 2023, you don't do it now.
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And so one of the other things that stirred up a lot of controversy is that in one of the
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photos, which did not include the child models, one of the brands Adidas collaboration handbags
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was seen laying on a desk, littered with documents.
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One of the papers upon closer investigation appears to be from the 2008 Supreme Court case,
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United States versus Williams, which involved a man named Michael Williams, who in April 2004
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used a public internet chat forum to post a message offering to exchange child sexual abuse
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I don't know why it was included in the campaign.
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And, um, one of the people that I was reading on Twitter, oh, my notes are all over the place.
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But one of the things they said was like, it was just some random person on Twitter, but
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they were like, everything that's art is done purposefully.
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Like, you don't just have like, oops, we have just a pedo doc.
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Second of all, why like anything in a shot is there on purpose?
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They hire anyone behind this campaign in the marketing department.
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And then, of course, so they have, it goes from ideation where they're like, hmm, what
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And then they hire the production company and then they make it.
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And then they have to hire advertising people to post it.
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So it's just, and I guess like, I know we have so many things here, but like, since
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we're on the topic, like, let's just skip to the fact that Balenciaga is now suing the
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production company who filmed, like who actually took these photographs.
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But my theory, tinfoil hat theory, is that they know that that lawsuit will never go
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anywhere because they completely, like, because this other user on Twitter mentioned that they're
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not, they're not suing for copyright infringement, which would be like if they were saying, oh,
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you used our brand in a way, like copyright infringement means the use of works protected
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by copyright without permission for usage where such permission is required.
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So that they could have been like, oh, you used material that we don't like.
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And like you, you copyright infringed, you created, you did copyright infringement, I
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guess, committed it against us without our permission.
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They're just like, so I think that they're just, they're saying, yeah, they're saying
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they claim North Dix, which is the production company and Dix.
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North Dix and Desjardins included the images of the court docs without their knowledge.
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Which was malevolent or at the very least, extraordinarily reckless.
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But that's, it's like, no judge would, again, I'm not a lawyer, but like, no judge would
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agree with that because they're like, did you not see the photos?
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Like, I'm just, I'm just like low level Judge Judy's stuff here.
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You'd be like, oh, I'm looking at this photo right now.
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So my theory is that they're doing it knowing that it won't go anywhere, but it's just to
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appease people while this is in the media and hoping, because like everyone has like
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In a year when this is litigated, it'll just be gone and no one will care about it anymore
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when they're like, oh, you, you can't sue them for that.
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And even what's interesting, Tucker Carlson said this too, in a monologue, one thing he
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noted was that the preview of the document listed the word sex and sexual, like several
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times in the, in the sneak peek that you can see in the image.
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And I just want to also make a note that although some people on social media believe the documents
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were from the other court case I mentioned, others also think it's from another case.
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So it's, I don't really know what the answer is, but.
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I've only ever seen the Williams, like you would.
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So another one is from the 2002 Supreme Court case Ashcroft versus Free Speech Coalition,
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which justices struck down a portion of the Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996 that
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allowed virtual child pornography to be considered protected speech.
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But it's like, I think that's what some people were saying on Twitter was like, if, if it's
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not actually depicting child pornography, it's just like alluding to it.
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And that, so that would make sense because it's like, oh, wink, wink.
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That wasn't child pornography, but it's just like, we have this weird fetish as a society
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So that, I think that court case kind of like hinges on that.
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It's not, they're not really hurting kids, but by putting them in those situations and having
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those pictures out when they can't consent to it.
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And then later as adults, maybe they are hurting them.
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No, it's, it's always a slippery slope and it's always normalizing this kind of stuff.
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We, we've seen how much of a slippery slope, the normalization of so many things are in our
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And now it appears that like high level fashion brands are able to just get away with this
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pretty well scot-free because as we're going to talk about more later too, like celebrities
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have been pretty well radio silent on this up until this weekend when Kim Kardashian, who
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is very closely affiliated with the brand, finally spoke out, but we should just backtrack
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a little because Balenciaga did recently apologize for their advertisement showcasing
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Um, so one says that they apologize for the fact that they shouldn't have the teddy bears
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And Nat made a good point earlier when we were talking about it, which is like, you probably
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shouldn't have had the teddy bears at all because teddy bears are for children.
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That's, they're always, like, even if you have a teddy bear, I, I do in my house, they're
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So putting them in BDSM gear on their own, even without kids is creepy.
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But they're just apologizing for having them paired with children.
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And then the other apology that they made was about having that court document in the
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photo that they are saying, like, they didn't, they had no idea.
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Like, when someone like Kim Kardashian is one of the spokespeople for this brand, it's
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It's not like they don't have all hands on deck here.
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Like, Kim Kardashian doesn't even post a photo of herself on IG without having like
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multiple people look at it and like pick the right angle.
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Like, so you're telling me that this whole giant fashion.
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Somebody happened to have that, you know, in their makeup bag and it just fell out or
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And some celebrities kind of responded to this, but nobody who's like directly involved
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with the brand, nobody interesting other than conservatives who we all know would condemn
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So we've seen condemnations from like, uh, Tucker Carlson, Tucker Carlson, uh, Evie Magazine
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He, all sorts of conservative people that you would expect.
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Um, there was one, I have it written down here.
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So you all were holding your breath to find out what he thought about this.
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She said, so Balenciaga used toddlers to advertise BDSM trinkets.
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And the only mainstream outlet I've seen cover it is Fox.
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Someone tell me why this is apparently a partisan issue.
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If you like Balenciaga, cool, peaches and cream.
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But protecting children should, like, it's really not, it's not a left or right issue.
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It's, it's just ridiculous that you all want your true colors to show.
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In not reacting to this and not responding or criticizing.
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So Bella Hadid had a post because she was in one of the recent campaigns and she deleted the whole gallery of.
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Although a mouse actually makes more noise than that.
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But like, and not because, I bet it's not because she actually gives a crap about the campaign.
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It's because she didn't want to face any backlash.
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So many of these celebrities are outspoken about all these social justice, you know, activism and all these sorts of things.
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And that when it comes to something that really counts, nope.
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Blair White made an interesting point about it too.
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She said if Balenciaga had made a campaign that offended the LGBTQISP community, every celebrity would be condemning it.
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As of this taping, which we tape on Monday, like afternoon, as of right now, I was just on Twitter looking at like top tweets, latest tweets, and there's literally nothing other than the conservative people that we mentioned.
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And then, of course, yesterday, Kim Kardashian finally broke her silence.
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Six days into this whole thing, Kim Kardashian finally makes a statement.
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And it's kind of long, but I guess we can read it.
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She said, I have been quiet for the past few days, not because I haven't been shocked and outraged by the recent Balenciaga campaigns, but because I wanted an opportunity to speak to their team to understand for myself how this could have happened.
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As a mother of four, I have been shaken by those disturbing images.
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The safety of children must be held with the highest regard, and anything against it should have no place in our society, period.
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I appreciate Balenciaga's removal of the campaign and apology.
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In speaking with them, I believe they understand the seriousness of the issue and will take the necessary measurements for this to never happen again.
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As for my future with Balenciaga, I am currently re-evaluating my relationship with the brand, basing it off their willingness to accept accountability for something that should have never happened to begin with, and the actions I am expecting to see them take to protect children.
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Almost everyone I saw on Twitter was commenting like, this is nothing.
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Like, it's pretty clear what you need to do, Kim, as a mother of four especially.
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Like, I cannot understand how anyone who has raised children, who hopefully loves their children and wants to take care of them, could be like, yes, this is okay.
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So, I'm not shocked by it, but it's, like, it's just so obvious that, like, one of the notes I wrote was, like, it's a way that we live in this world where this celebrity reality star who's known for really nothing but just sharing nudity and her butt and, like, having money and making more money off of that money.
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I mean, exactly, this person who's known for really nothing wholesome at all has to make this, like, PR-like politician statement on something.
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I mean, it kind of, like, some of the wording, I'm like, you know, it's on the smartest, but I'm sure she had, like, lots of, well, actually, we know that because she posted this and then deleted it and then reposted it.
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Reposted it with, like, slightly different words, like, stronger language, apparently.
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So, it's, like, clearly this was, like, a PR apology.
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And she's saying, like, I'm currently re-evaluating my relationship with the brand based off their willingness to accept accountability.
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Well, there's no, there's no way they can't accept accountability.
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They've, well, they're not really, though, because they're placing blame on the production company.
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So, unless they drop this lawsuit, she's going to drop them?
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Are you going to allow them to blame the production company and blame the photographer who they hired and gave ideas to and greenlit the idea to go live?
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Because if Balenciaga were truly sorry for what they did, they would have fired everybody at the company and just started over.
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Because there's just no, how do you, how do you remedy this?
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So, if that's what she should be saying, fire everyone.
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Let's start fresh with some, like, conservatives.
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So, if they want to go in another direction with, like, nice clothes.
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If they go in a completely different direction and fire everyone.
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Including the creative director, Demna Gavsalia.
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He said, spokespeople for the company have said that they had not approved the campaign.
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If you didn't approve this, like, that's the thing.
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They're just like, oh, someone else is like, bro, that's your job.
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And it's either there is really one person to blame here.
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And they're just kind of, you know, giving us the runaround.
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So that no one has to actually speak about it and own up to it.
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That's like if you and I posted some really gross content on this show.
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You look over everything that goes out before it goes out.
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It's just so, it's so this is what we were talking before about the rabbit hole.
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The more, every second I refresh my Twitter this morning, there was something else.
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So, there's this, one of the head stylists there.
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I tried to find it and I did find something that looked like her but it didn't have any of this stuff on it.
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So, anyways, she had an Instagram page with super highly disturbing images.
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So, just for some background on her, she's been one of the main stylists at Balenciaga since 2014.
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She has a relationship with an accused pedophile.
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She's worked with Vogue, Adidas, Balenciaga, Chanel, Jean-Paul Gaultier, amongst others.
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Marc Jacobs, constantly comments on her Instagram posts.
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She, just like Gosha, who, Gosha Rubchitsky, a Russian fashion designer, have an interest in really young looking boys.
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She seems to enjoy art and pictures that depict children either in distress, bondage, or something of that nature.
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And she has a weird fetish, allegedly, for teddy bears, which actually, I did not know this, there's a meme called Pedo Bear, which went around, but also is interestingly how pedos recognize other pedos, apparently.
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I just have them, they just sit there and that's it.
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And one of the other things this thread notes is that there are a lot of reoccurring themes of teddy bears in the fashion world.
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I don't know, this person who made this thread doesn't know either, but it's interesting.
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A lot of the photos on her Instagram are, there's a picture of like a young prepubescent boy with his face down on the ground and there's like a big, like bloody cut on his back.
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Yeah, like someone drove over him or something.
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Um, there's a picture of a little girl who's, has like headphones like taped to her head and she's all taped up like on a chair with her legs kind of spread and her eyes and mouth covered.
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And apparently, so like I've never heard of this person before I started reading about this.
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Um, and I, so I clearly didn't go to her Instagram, so I can't confirm if the stuff was actually there.
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But people took screenshots and apparently now it's all gone.
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Like, I don't know for sure myself, but this guy, Jake Shields, who I think he's a UFC fighter.
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Um, he took screenshots of all of this stuff, but again, we're just, we're just delivering the messages to you all.
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I don't know for a fact, but, uh, she seems creepy.
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Uh, so one of the pictures, uh, from the Balenciaga child photo has Balenciaga spelled on tape, spelled B-A-A-L-E-N-C-I-A-G-A.
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And for those of you who don't know, Baal is a Canaanite deity whose kids were rituistically sacrificed.
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Um, so he was a God worshipped by the Israelites when they went astray after the death of Gideon, according to Hebrew scriptures.
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It's just like, so Balenciaga can be like, oh, we didn't know about the paper.
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And so like the, the Balenciaga thing, it's like you said, it's police tape.
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That's not just something you have laying around.
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Like someone could have printed, I guess someone could have printed at a page with a creepy
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Maybe a hundred people who looked at it didn't notice.
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But printing special novelty tape that's supposed to be like police tape, but it's Balenciaga and
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And then there's a weird drawing next to the, there's another photo which has like a rabbit
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So it's on the tape and then it's in a drawing and it's very hard to see.
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And there's other interesting imagery in this photo.
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There is, so one of them, the guy in this thread basically says,
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that when he's analyzing it is, he's the example of Kubrick's last movie, Eyes Wide Shut,
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which is an expose on elite Satanism and sexual abuse.
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And he asks where they are going and they say where the rainbow ends, which is an allegedly
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an allusion to elite pedophilia along with the rabbit symbolism, the white rabbit,
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which we know from Alice in Wonderland, allegedly Lewis Carroll also has a pedophilic obsession.
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And then there's another point that this person makes that the boy in the image is wearing
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So basically it's ruining everything for everyone.
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Again, these are all, who knows, like we don't know what's necessarily true, but there just
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Even if half of this is BS that people are Photoshopping on the internet.
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There's, um, so this article from Evie highlights this other thing that people notice on Twitter,
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which is, uh, the, this is just a quote from the article.
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Renowned fashion brand Balenciaga was pressured into taking down its recent campaign, yada,
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However, their most recent campaign that replaced the creepy photos of minors is just as twisted
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and dark featuring art that glamorizes pedophilia, cannibalism, and slavery.
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So in, again, didn't know who this person was until yesterday.
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Um, so in the, like this, like I just said, in the campaign that replaced the one with
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the creepy bears and the children, there's a woman at a desk in an office and behind
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And one of the books is of this art artist, Michael Bormans.
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When you Google it, you'll, you'll see it's all highly disturbing, dark.
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I don't mind art, but, but a lot of it involves children.
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So it's highly disturbing, dark art, really creepy stuff that involves children with hoods
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on their face masks and tied up and really creepy stuff.
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And then someone else on Twitter, Twitter's cool.
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Um, pointed out that the outfit that Kim and Kanye wore to, I think it was the Met Gala.
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Um, so Kim and Kanye wore all black outfits with their faces completely covered and it
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really resembles some of the paintings of Michael Borman's.
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And, and the thing is, it's like, fine, that's adults, but there's also paintings of children
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And then there's also a picture of Northwest wearing a similar kind of gimp mask walking
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around, I think Paris Fashion Week or something like that, where her face is completely covered
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I mean, this, this Michael Borman, like the, the images have, it's toddlers running around
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Like it's, there's like, it's witchcraft, like resemblance and symbolism too, in a lot
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And then also another thing to note about, um, this image that Kat just described in
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the office, um, there's like a certificate in a frame and, uh, the name in it is John
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Philip Fisher, who is allegedly someone who was accused of sexually molesting his granddaughter
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But why do you have to make it creepy with kids?
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Is there some, does that make the value of the clothing higher?
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Cause Epstein's gone and they're like, let's figure out a new way to torment children.
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And that's what, that's actually something we should talk about though, because I'm very
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Normally they just kind of, maybe like some, some conspiracy theorists, you know, are like,
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You know, Justin Bieber is doing this and he means he's of something, you know?
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Like, is this, are they distracting us from something?
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It's like, are they just feeding trolls right now?
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Or they're distracting from something even more sinister.
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Or are they laughing at all the people who care about children?
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Stupid conservatives getting their panties in a knot over this stuff.
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But then on the other hand, why would Kim Kardashian apologize?
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If it was a troll, they'd just be like, ha ha ha.
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Do you think this is like a red herring, maybe?
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Where they're distracting us from something even worse?
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But like, sure, these are images and images are powerful and art is very influential and
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But if they were actually, like, if there was actually this abuse going on, why would
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Why would they shine the spotlight on themselves?
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And that's why, I mean, there's just so many rabbit holes we can go down.
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And, and one of the things that's interesting is that this is really exposing that it's
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And, and like this person that we already spoke about, Lota Volkova.
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And then there are the creative director, Demna Vassil.
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They've probably, like, I know for a fact that Lota has worked at other companies.
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So like, yeah, I kind of cut you off, but it's like, they are, there's a lot of like
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mixing and mingling going on with these high fashion brands.
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And I like to look at it and we like to talk about it.
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And now it's like, how many of these people are making these beautiful pieces of art,
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How many of these people are making this beautiful art, but then are also doing super creepy,
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Do you have to be evil and satanic and allegedly abuse children to make beautiful works of art?
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And if something's bad, like, call it out and cut ties.
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Like, Vogue and Balenciaga and all these places were so quick to cut ties with Kanye West.
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No, but like, if you have an opinion about something and you're like, that I find morally
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Like, that's another thing people have been saying on the internet.
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They're like, Kim broke up with Kanye over a MAGA hat.
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But she's, like, silent about, like, pedophilia.
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She'll go off on Kanye West on Twitter for his ugly boots.
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And they'll say things like, Trump will never be allowed back at the Met Gala because he's
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It's either art and they're going to stand by it or they didn't know and they're going
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to delete it or they, I mean, that's, I guess that's it.
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But it's like, it can't be both of those things.
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And I have a quote because I think a lot of this is sort of spiritual in a way.
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So, there is no neutral ground in the universe.
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Every square inch, every split second is claimed by God and counter claimed by Satan.
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And I think right now we're seeing, we're seeing that play out in real time.
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Yeah, you're either with them or you're against them.
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And even though it's really, it's tough to see all this and know about this.
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It's, it's interesting that it's being exposed.
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Like, it's, there's so much, like, who knows what's true and I don't know.
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Like, the truth is somewhere between the, like, either it's none of it's true or all
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It's probably somewhere in the middle where some of it's true.
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I think a big takeaway is that these people are showing you exactly who they are.
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But it just means that there is, we're at a crossroads in our culture, I think, where
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like, and I'm not into cancel culture at all, but this isn't, you're not, I think, though,
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But when someone does something, like, just disgusting and despicable and evil, you can't,
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So throw out your Balenciaga or donate it to, no, I won't wear it.
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I mean, for $600, like, they are literally selling those Adidas, I know we've talked about
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They are selling Adidas Balenciaga collab t-shirts right now on the website.
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And they're literally just a plain t-shirt that says Balenciaga with the Adidas logo
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I would hope that it's like the softest cotton ever.
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I hope it's handmade by, like, princesses, not child slaves in China, which it probably
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That's a whole other thing, which we'll maybe talk about one day.
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I have so many notes, but I feel like you kind of touched on everything.
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Kim Kardashian, really weak apology, the Rams guy.
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Someone saying something, even though I don't know who that guy is.
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So in September of this past year, 2022, Madonna posted a picture of her wearing Balenciaga,
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And in 1992, she wrote a book about, I think it's just called Sex.
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And in it, she describes in depth how she had sex with a teenager.
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She calls him a baby and goes into great deal about how smooth and young and inexperienced
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The whole thing is about how younger people, it's, like, very erotic.
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So, like, I don't know if this person was under 18, but.
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So we can't expect any statements from Madonna condemning Balenciaga anytime soon.
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Yeah, I was holding my breath and I was going blue in the face.
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She's just a, she's a vision of morality leading us all to the promised land.
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