Rebel News Podcast - Muslim man CONFRONTS Avi Yemini on Israel-Hamas war

00:00:00.000 Do you believe Israel has the right to get rid of Hamas, who calls for the annihilation of the

00:00:05.620 Jewish state and have shown that they're willing to commit any atrocity to get the job done? 0.94

00:00:10.620 I believe Israel have the right to defend themselves, but not at all costs, not with collateral damage.

00:00:17.760 Avi Yemini for Rebel News back in Melbourne, Australia, after a fantastic weekend in Brisbane,

00:00:24.660 where I covered the Hakka for Israel protest. You've probably seen the video by now. It's gone

00:00:29.900 absolutely viral. But something that didn't make the cut in that video was an interaction that

00:00:35.460 happened at the end, where a Muslim man walked up to me to begin a conversation. A conversation

00:00:42.740 that I think the entire world needs to watch. You're obviously wearing a t-shirt that says

00:00:47.300 justice and you've got Al-Aqsa Mosque there. So what does justice mean to you? Justice means to me

00:00:52.360 what's right. So let's say, for instance, if I came to your house, you still live in Melbourne,

00:00:57.180 right? If I came to your house in Melbourne, bash your child, because I said, you know, I'm Aboriginal.

00:01:03.940 So back in the day, this used to be, you know, my land or whatever it is. So if I just bash your

00:01:08.800 child, kick your family out, is that justice to you? Simple question. Absolutely not. Absolutely

00:01:13.700 not. So I'm for justice. What's right and what's wrong. You know what I mean? So based on that,

00:01:18.440 do you condemn what Hamas did on October 7th? I condemn pineapples on pizza. You know, it's a 0.91

00:01:26.320 ridiculous thing. If it is true what Hamas did, if they came in and they killed innocent people, 0.89

00:01:31.900 100%. Any Muslim in the world would condemn that. So I don't know why that's the first question every 1.00

00:01:36.000 time. Because if you look at the Quran, it says killing one person unjustly is like killing all

00:01:41.220 of humanity, right? So that's the first question. So I'll ask you a follow-up question. Do you condemn

00:01:46.480 the retaliation from Israel? Hold on a second. No, I don't because I think it's, there's a very 0.67

00:01:52.320 big difference. So firstly, hold on. Let's step back a second and then we'll talk about that.

00:01:55.900 I'll go there with you. But when you, so what I noticed, because it's not getting condemned by

00:02:01.100 the Islamic community, it's not being condemned. What community are you looking at? You're seeing

00:02:04.260 what's on Twitter, what's on Facebook. You're seeing what's there. If you went to the mosque. 1.00

00:02:08.600 But even you, even you right now, when I asked you the question, you said, if it's true. So why are so

00:02:15.260 many in your community questioning the truth when Hamas themselves put the videos up?

00:02:19.740 Do you believe America knocked down the towers? Or did you believe like Osama Bin Laden and 0.97

00:02:23.080 his six mates did it? Because it's a conspiracy. If you look at where they actually entered,

00:02:27.920 that's the most, one of the most patrol borders in the world, correct?

00:02:30.480 I know the border. I served there. That's my, that was my deployment.

00:02:33.280 That was your deployment. You were there. I'm, I'm looking at non-Muslims. I'm looking at 1.00

00:02:37.740 Muslims. I'm looking at a lot of Orthodox Jews as well that are saying there's a possibility.

00:02:42.180 I'm not looking into the conspiracy of it. There's a possibility that it was allowed

00:02:46.200 to happen or somewhat conspired.

00:02:47.960 Even if, let's say, even if, even if, even if it was allowed to happen, that's, let's

00:02:52.740 just put the, park that for a second.

00:02:54.160 If they did what they did, I'll condemn it. A hundred percent.

00:02:56.080 So what if I tell you that I was there, I've been there, I've seen it, I've also served

00:02:59.420 on it and I have many of the same questions you have about how it happened, but I'm saying

00:03:03.100 it happened.

00:03:04.000 Okay.

00:03:05.180 So you condemn it?

00:03:06.560 A hundred percent. If, if a hundred percent was true.

00:03:09.340 But I'm telling you, it happened.

00:03:10.600 Okay. So why is the first question ever, do you condemn what Israel had been doing since

00:03:14.660 1945 with the preoccupation of lands and the innocent killings of people in West Bank?

00:03:19.060 Because if we're talking Hamas, there's no Hamas in West Bank. True?

00:03:22.260 There is. That's the biggest lie. There is actually, there is, there is Hamas in the West Bank.

00:03:27.000 In Hebron, Hebron is actually, Hebron, do you know Hebron? Hebron. In West Bank. Yeah,

00:03:33.220 that's in West Bank. So Hebron is actually run, that's the, that's a part of the West

00:03:37.600 Bank that is, that is run by Hamas. You see, you don't know that because you know, so what

00:03:42.200 I would say to you.

00:03:42.840 In your time there, you saw Hamas in the West Bank.

00:03:45.080 There's no argument about that. So what I would say to you is, I would invite you to come

00:03:49.680 with me there and see it for yourself because a lot of the knowledge that you get, like a lot

00:03:54.420 of the talking points that you're giving here, like Hamas doesn't exist in the West

00:03:58.260 Bank, is fabrication. It's, it's, it's not true.

00:04:01.060 According to Orthodox Jews and according to Muslims that live in the area, that's completely 0.69

00:04:04.520 true. That there's no Hamas in the West Bank.

00:04:06.760 Which Orthodox Jews that live there? I know which Orthodox Jews you're referring to and

00:04:10.520 you're talking about Natura Kurta.

00:04:12.620 Would you consider yourself a Zionist?

00:04:14.580 Yes.

00:04:14.980 Yes. Okay. So what I'm seeing.

00:04:17.600 Do you know what a Zionist is? 0.51

00:04:18.600 Do you know what?

00:04:19.400 I'd love to know the complete, what's the clinical definition of a Zionist?

00:04:22.700 Zionist is somebody that believes in the Jewish state for the Jewish people, like a, like

00:04:26.180 a, what you would call a patriot in Australia. So somebody that believes in Israel. That's

00:04:30.340 all it means. It's become a dirty one.

00:04:31.940 Reject a two part state, right?

00:04:33.220 No, not true. Most Zionists believe in two states. 0.93

00:04:36.140 Hey?

00:04:36.560 Not true. Most, most Zionists actually believe in two states. 1.00

00:04:38.920 Right. So you're not talking about like the specific...

00:04:40.960 All I'm saying is like worldwide, you see Orthodox Jews, because you don't have the curly 1.00

00:04:45.240 things. You don't wear the hat. Like if I saw you on the street, you look like you're a 0.84

00:04:48.700 lebo from Sydney. Honestly, that's, that's, that's how I would say. But they're on 1.00

00:04:52.440 marching saying what Israel are doing are wrong. According to the Torah, it's wrong. So what

00:04:57.200 they're doing is wrong. What, why is that?

00:04:59.080 I can tell you. See, they're from a group called the Natura Kauta. It's a specific, tiny,

00:05:04.160 tiny sect in Judaism. Now, the reason why they stand against Israel is not for the reason

00:05:09.820 that they're obvious, often used and, and elevated. Their message has been amplified by

00:05:14.640 everybody, especially in the Islamic community. According to the scripture, they believe that

00:05:18.620 Israel should not be controlled by Jews until after the Messiah comes. So it's, it's, it's 1.00

00:05:24.620 actually just a religious argument. And there are many in the Orthodox community that believe

00:05:28.540 that there's a tiny sect. So in the ultra Orthodox community that believe that there's

00:05:32.660 a tiny sect that go as far as rallying with those that will kill the Jews. They are, they 0.99

00:05:39.100 will rally with pro Hamas. They will side with Hamas. They'll go to Iran. 0.72

00:05:42.060 And they, but they're not representing.

00:05:44.520 The difference of opinion, what's in the scripture then? Would you say that's true?

00:05:46.900 It's just scripture. It's not historic.

00:05:49.560 Sunnis, Shia, there's, there's splits, there's difference of opinion.

00:05:52.540 Probably a good example, but even less than Sunni and Shia, because Sunni and Shia, you have, 0.99

00:05:56.320 you know, 85% are Sunni, 15% are Shia. The difference here you're talking about in,

00:06:02.020 in the Jewish context, that group probably is 0.001 of the Jewish community. They are, there

00:06:07.740 are only a handful around the world and they like to make themselves present and, and they're,

00:06:11.840 their message is often amplified. Let me put it to you this way. There are many Muslims

00:06:15.100 that stand with Israel. So does that justify, does that make it true? Just because some

00:06:18.760 Muslims around the world as well, but there are many Muslims that stand with Israel.

00:06:23.060 Very few. In comparison, 1.8 million people live in Israel. Okay. But it's like, it's like

00:06:29.320 Australia, right? Um, like if, if they were to commit atrocities, right? If any country was

00:06:35.140 to commit atrocities, it doesn't matter who it was, America, New Zealand, if anyone commits

00:06:39.060 atrocities, right? I believe at the end of the day, it should be condemned if the collateral

00:06:44.700 damage outweighs what they're actually going to do. Similar to Israel, right? Israel are 1.00

00:06:49.780 trying to get rid of Hamas. Statistics are in from the IDF that 60, or they say dozens,

00:06:54.140 60 to a hundred Hamas leaders have died. And there's proof now that there's over 10,000

00:06:58.620 children died. That's one to 100. So to kill Hamas, 30,000 Hamas members, 300 innocent million, 0.59

00:07:06.720 oh no, 3 million innocent Palestinians need to die. According, according to statistics,

00:07:11.260 that's released by the IDF. So let's just say, it's not released by the IDF. Hold on. It's,

00:07:15.680 it's released by Mohammed Hijab who quoted the IDF. And then when he asked the source,

00:07:21.480 there's no source. Show me the source. There is no source of that. No, they, yeah,

00:07:25.380 they said 62 weeks ago, three weeks ago. Okay. So it's probably grown, right? In three weeks.

00:07:30.520 Would you say it's grown? 200, 300. Is there anything on that? How many have killed? I'm

00:07:34.940 just saying, I'm just saying really, if Hamas continued to go into Israel, sorry, and they

00:07:44.820 were just dropping bombs because they said the IDF are terrorists. We've got to get rid of

00:07:47.740 them. And the whole world was like, let's get rid of the IDF. That'd be bullshit. I'd stand 0.97

00:07:51.320 against them because you know why? Because I'd hate to see little Israeli babies before 1.00

00:07:55.200 they've even lived their life, whether they're Jews, because you do have Christians there

00:07:58.980 too, right? You do have Muslims there. I'd hate to see it because they never even got 1.00

00:08:02.420 to live their life. But my, my biggest thing that I will say is people in your position,

00:08:07.780 whether you're Jew, Christian or not, you won't condemn, will you? The innocent killing 0.97

00:08:12.200 of children in Palestine. Can you say that verbally? Would you be able to verbally say that?

00:08:15.420 I feel, I feel, I feel. No, not feel. Would you condemn it? Because I condemn Hamas 0.96

00:08:19.140 if they killed innocent people, but you can't condemn Israel for killing innocent people

00:08:23.200 also on a larger scale, on a hundred times larger scale. So wait a second. So listen,

00:08:28.020 so firstly, you question Hamas even killing them. Because I don't know. Okay, but then

00:08:33.300 you believe Hamas's talking points about how many died and how many of them. It's not

00:08:37.200 Hamas. It was Israel. Whether it was a shooting. They're not. They're not. Like the Daily Telegraph

00:08:41.240 or whatever of Israel. It's not true. They were asked how many Hamas members in three

00:08:45.440 weeks ago. So I'm telling you that that's not true, right? So it's a much higher number.

00:08:50.200 And so it's a much higher number of, of, of terrorists that have been eliminated. And

00:08:54.080 it's a much lower number than the tens of thousands that they're reporting.

00:08:57.100 I think there's over 10,000 kids. No, I don't. I don't. Hold on. But let me ask you something.

00:09:03.080 No, no. Hold on. How could you downplay that over 10,000 people killed? How can you downplay

00:09:07.960 what Hamas published on October 7? How can you question what Hamas did? It's not that. It's

00:09:13.540 not that. I'm just saying, you asked me before what's justice, right? Killing any innocent

00:09:18.580 person to me is not justice. Okay. Fair enough. Is there a difference? Hold on. Is there a difference

00:09:24.100 between going in and purposely targeting civilian, going home to home, butchering, raping, beheading,

00:09:35.520 cutting the breasts off women, putting babies in ovens? Is there a difference? And kidnapping. 0.54

00:09:40.680 They put babies in ovens. They did put babies in. And your evidence is? Hamas admitted it?

00:09:46.040 They provided the evidence for all they see. I'm saying, I haven't read that. I haven't

00:09:49.960 read that. So they put babies in ovens? Obviously they did that. Did you, did you, you,

00:09:53.840 so again, again, one second, wait a second. My point is now you see, and then they took 240

00:10:00.220 something hostages over to Gaza. Now compare that to an army trying to target the terrorists. Okay.

00:10:08.440 Who committed those atrocities and in the process have killed innocent civilians, which is horrible.

00:10:16.420 How can you compare one to the other? One where they purposely go.

00:10:20.600 One was a ground war and the other was dropping bombs. 120%.

00:10:24.380 How can you call that a ground war? How can you call that a ground war?

00:10:26.980 Everything now say that what they did, like, like I said, I don't know their evident facts,

00:10:31.640 right? Because I've never saw it. Let's pretend it's true. Cause you see, you see how you just

00:10:35.420 accept Hamas's narrative, but everything else. I've seen bombs drop on innocent kids. So I've seen 0.84

00:10:39.560 them die. What Hamas did and what they did, I don't know what they did. They published it for 0.95

00:10:43.820 themselves. They published it for themselves. They ran live feeds. Do you know, you know, you know a lot

00:10:49.440 about Islam because you've debated people a lot of times in Islam, you can't sever a body. Okay.

00:10:54.240 You can't hurt women. You can't hurt children. You can't even hurt a tree. Okay. So you should

00:10:58.620 condemn them outright and everybody should. Before October 7, most of the world, most of us didn't

00:11:03.960 even know who Hamas was. All I'm saying is, have you read their charter? I haven't read their

00:11:07.940 charter. Okay. Cause it calls for the annihilation of the Jewish people. A charter as well. Not, not,

00:11:14.440 not like that, but it has similar ways on the charter. So tell me something in the IDF

00:11:18.220 charter that's similar to it. I'm not educated on the IDF charter. All I'm saying is, and this

00:11:22.680 is really basic. Okay. Hamas goes in, say they, they go in and everything's true. A hundred 0.99

00:11:28.940 percent true. They mutilated people. They killed people. And we're talking innocent people. 0.81

00:11:33.040 It wasn't IDF soldiers. Okay. That happened a hundred percent. That should be condemned because

00:11:38.380 you're killing innocent people. Okay. At the end of the day, anyone would condemn that like

00:11:42.380 Mohammed Hijab, he condemns that. Okay. No, he doesn't. Well, no, no, he doesn't condemn 0.99

00:11:46.440 Hamas as a whole. He condemns that act. You condemn Hamas as a whole? I don't know. Enough

00:11:50.940 about it. Let me, let, let, let me tell you. I don't condemn IDF as a whole, but I, I, you

00:11:55.540 have to look at the individual situation. So what I believe a, a justifiable response for

00:12:01.360 that to me, because if someone come to Australia, I'm Australian born and did that, I would want

00:12:05.700 retaliation because someone killed my mom, someone killed my daughter. So my retaliation

00:12:09.820 was let's just not drop bombs where we think they are. Let's infiltrate the area. Okay.

00:12:14.420 So IDF have a huge army. Why aren't they going there on foot targeting actual Hamas? And you'll

00:12:19.640 say, oh, well, they're putting kids on themselves as shields, right? Why aren't they going in

00:12:23.820 there and fighting like real men? Why are they just dropping bombs?

00:12:26.060 They are, they are, they are going in.

00:12:28.180 There's not as much though. There's not as much. There's, there's, there's bombs landing

00:12:31.300 everywhere. So if you look at, at the end of the day,

00:12:33.260 Are you a military expert?

00:12:34.420 How do you know how to actually engage an enemy like that, that hides behind civilians?

00:12:40.240 Well, for instance, the orphanage that had one Hamas leader there, hundreds of kids got

00:12:44.440 killed. Will you condemn that? Will you condemn that? So you're talking one person died.

00:12:48.880 Why was he in an orphanage?

00:12:50.200 I don't know if it was.

00:12:51.420 I do know, but you're laughing when they say human shields. Why would a leader of Hamas

00:12:56.860 be in an orphanage?

00:12:57.800 Why, why I ask you that question. The more question is, I can condemn Hamas if they commit atrocities,

00:13:02.760 but you can't condemn the IDF for killing hundreds of kids to kill one person. Do you

00:13:07.140 think that's justifiable?

00:13:08.140 Why are you putting the blame solely on Israel when the Hamas leader you're saying went into

00:13:13.380 an orphanage at a time where they're being hunted for the atrocities they committed?

00:13:18.080 Because you know why? There's videos of it happening. There's photos of all the little

00:13:22.600 children dead.

00:13:23.600 Yeah, but why are you laying that? Why are you laying? No, but I'm saying, I'm saying if it's

00:13:28.540 true, why don't you condemn Hamas for using those children? 0.84

00:13:31.740 Well, you couldn't send a sniper there to just headshot him?

00:13:35.120 Listen, I'm not a military expert.

00:13:37.120 You used to be in the military.

00:13:38.120 No, I served. That doesn't make me an expert.

00:13:40.120 You condemn hundreds of people dying because of one person and you're saying, well, it's

00:13:44.120 Thomas' fault he's using that whole orphanage.

00:13:46.120 Absolutely.

00:13:47.120 That's sick.

00:13:48.120 Imagine, I could only imagine if, like, people want, like, say, I don't even know how to

00:13:53.120 say his name, the President of Israel, all these other big top shot Israeli people, if he

00:13:58.000 was in one spot and the opportunity arose to kill him, but the collateral damage was

00:14:02.740 hundreds of kids in Israel, no one would stand for that. That's disgusting. How could you 1.00

00:14:07.040 do that?

00:14:07.380 Are you kidding me? You think the Arab world wouldn't take that shot? 1.00

00:14:11.380 You're talking about Arab leaders. No, I'm talking about Muslims. There's a difference 1.00

00:14:15.720 between Arab leaders.

00:14:16.420 You think the Muslim world would not support killing Bibi Netanyahu if he was amongst kids? 1.00

00:14:21.800 No, 100%. If that meant killing hundreds of people, I can get, I'll ask you.

00:14:25.660 Honestly, I genuinely believe you're a good person.

00:14:29.140 No, no, please do this because there's hundreds of Muslims here on the park. Just ask them a 0.99

00:14:32.700 simple question. If Benjamin, what's he, how do you say his last name?

00:14:35.780 Benjamin Netanyahu.

00:14:36.800 Yeah, who, it's not even his real name. He'd change it. Anyway.

00:14:39.120 That's Bibi. You're talking about, Bibi's not his real name. Benjamin Netanyahu is his

00:14:42.620 real name.

00:14:42.880 He'd change it. It was like a weird, like not even, no. Or the other guy changes his name.

00:14:46.700 Anyway, one of them changed their name.

00:14:47.840 You're talking about Avi Amini. He changed his name.

00:14:49.980 What's your name now?

00:14:51.000 No, my name's Avraham, but Avi is...

00:14:53.540 That's a way too Arab for you. 1.00

00:14:54.640 Ibrahim.

00:14:55.360 Yeah. Anyway, all I'm saying, go out now. Make a request. Say, if Benjamin, whatever his

00:15:00.880 name was, was in an orphanage, would you support dropping a bomb and killing hundreds of

00:15:04.800 kids? You won't get anyone.

00:15:05.800 You know why I don't need to ask him? Because they all support October 7, where

00:15:09.020 they went in and butchered civilians.

00:15:11.080 Who? Go ask all of them.

00:15:12.500 Who?

00:15:12.700 That denied even happened.

00:15:13.980 Who?

00:15:14.460 All of them.

00:15:15.340 Who support that?

00:15:17.180 So you don't?

00:15:17.920 No.

00:15:18.640 You just denied happened?

00:15:20.080 Hundreds of things. No, I'm saying, I haven't seen evidence, but I'm saying, if the stories

00:15:23.700 are true, condemn.

00:15:24.700 But you've seen evidence of the kids in Gaza.

00:15:26.920 Yeah, I have. There's videos of it.

00:15:27.840 Show me videos right now, Vodka.

00:15:29.720 Hamas. 0.73

00:15:30.700 Please show me videos right now.

00:15:32.500 I haven't seen it, then I can believe it.

00:15:34.220 Okay.

00:15:35.400 That's a valid, that's a valid question.

00:15:37.340 No, no, no.

00:15:37.700 That's a valid question.

00:15:38.200 I don't know what rock you're living under if you haven't seen the footage published by

00:15:41.800 Hamas themselves live stream.

00:15:43.560 If I'm a Muslim and I search that, I can get locked up.

00:15:46.000 Like, you know what I mean?

00:15:47.360 Just for looking at it.

00:15:48.320 You know what?

00:15:48.620 All I'm saying is if it's true, it's wrong.

00:15:51.260 If it's true that the Hamas leader was at the orphanage, it's wrong.

00:15:54.660 To me, it's wrong.

00:15:55.400 Any killing of any innocent person is wrong.

00:15:57.280 If it's true that their, if it's true that their charter states that they want to rid the 0.96

00:16:03.600 Jews from the land. 0.94

00:16:04.600 What charter is that?

00:16:05.540 The Hamas charter says that they want. 0.86

00:16:06.960 What's the number?

00:16:08.000 Read the whole charter.

00:16:09.060 Do you have the charter?

00:16:10.040 Like, the charter literally states they want the annihilation of the Jewish state.

00:16:14.140 No Jewish state. 0.94

00:16:15.320 Do you condemn Hamas?

00:16:17.820 What do you say?

00:16:18.600 Why is this the question?

00:16:20.100 Why are you asking that?

00:16:21.720 I condemn pineapples on pizza.

00:16:23.680 I condemn Hamas for them too. 1.00

00:16:25.620 Okay.

00:16:26.980 You know, at the end of the day.

00:16:27.660 So you see, there's a double standard here.

00:16:29.980 No, there isn't a double standard because you won't condemn the acts of terror from Israel. 0.86

00:16:33.900 I'll condemn acts of terror.

00:16:35.240 No, you won't.

00:16:35.740 I will.

00:16:36.040 So if one person surrounds himself by kids, if the worst mass murderer surrounds himself

00:16:43.100 by kids, that gives him a free pass for his crimes?

00:16:45.680 No, you take him out a different way.

00:16:46.980 You get a sniper and you headshot him.

00:16:48.140 You don't drop a bomb on an orphanage.

00:16:49.400 How do you know that that's possible?

00:16:50.700 Eh?

00:16:50.980 How do you know that that's possible?

00:16:51.920 Because there's other alternatives.

00:16:52.860 How do you know?

00:16:53.640 You're not a military expert.

00:16:54.780 At the end of the day, you're saying everything about what Hamas did. 0.83

00:16:57.960 Hamas did. 0.84

00:16:58.840 What?

00:16:59.240 I'm saying what they say for themselves.

00:17:01.580 Do you believe that Israel should be annihilated?

00:17:03.820 Eh?

00:17:04.080 Of course not.

00:17:04.720 So why is it so hard to say that anyone that does should be condemned?

00:17:08.300 Especially in Israel.

00:17:10.040 Why can't you say it out of your word?

00:17:12.100 You can't say it out of your mouth.

00:17:13.500 You'll condemn acts of Israel.

00:17:14.860 I do.

00:17:15.480 You'll condemn Hamas.

00:17:16.140 I will.

00:17:16.660 No, no, no, no, no.

00:17:17.340 Hold on.

00:17:17.820 I will condemn.

00:17:18.780 I will condemn.

00:17:19.520 It hasn't come out of your mouth.

00:17:20.440 I condemn.

00:17:21.340 It hasn't come out of your mouth.

00:17:22.560 I condemn.

00:17:23.440 It hasn't come out of your mouth.

00:17:24.560 I'm saying.

00:17:25.320 I condemn.

00:17:26.320 Again.

00:17:26.820 And you're the one who posted.

00:17:27.600 I condemn.

00:17:28.560 He was the one who posted years ago, nice headshot.

00:17:31.200 The guy who got killed in the head.

00:17:32.380 True?

00:17:32.940 True?

00:17:33.300 He didn't get killed.

00:17:34.840 You said headshot?

00:17:35.540 Did you say headshot?

00:17:36.620 Hold on.

00:17:36.980 Can I talk?

00:17:37.320 Like it was a video game.

00:17:38.220 No, no.

00:17:38.620 You know what?

00:17:39.300 I regret some of the ways I spoke a few years ago.

00:17:41.200 Do you regret saying that?

00:17:41.980 Yes.

00:17:42.360 You do regret saying that?

00:17:43.180 Yes.

00:17:43.400 If you had your way, you wouldn't have said it again.

00:17:44.620 I wouldn't have said it again.

00:17:45.600 But no, no.

00:17:47.180 A hundred percent.

00:17:48.440 And it was taken out.

00:17:49.620 Like it's taken out of context all of what I was saying.

00:17:51.680 I was saying you can kill jihadis.

00:17:53.140 I didn't say Palestinians.

00:17:54.280 But.

00:17:54.320 No, I'm just saying.

00:17:55.060 About that shot.

00:17:55.900 About that guy.

00:17:56.280 Deadshot.

00:17:56.400 Yeah, absolutely.

00:17:57.680 Absolutely.

00:17:58.340 I regret saying that.

00:17:59.320 Okay?

00:17:59.880 And I also condemn any acts from any individual soldier.

00:18:04.360 Those are bad people in what is a good force trying to protect its civilians.

00:18:09.460 And that person should be held to account.

00:18:11.040 Now when it comes.

00:18:12.220 So you've got a different belief then.

00:18:13.700 You don't believe Palestinians are animals?

00:18:15.340 I don't believe Palestinians are animals.

00:18:17.600 No.

00:18:17.980 Why would you believe?

00:18:18.860 Because I can show you.

00:18:20.180 Human is born an animal.

00:18:21.480 I can show you videos right now.

00:18:22.700 Some Israelis say stupid things.

00:18:24.260 Do you know how many Muslims say stupid things? 1.00

00:18:26.320 Is that you?

00:18:27.420 I actually talked to you and you're actually really reasonable.

00:18:30.200 I go into many situations where they're not.

00:18:33.140 So do they?

00:18:33.940 Are they you?

00:18:34.660 Are you them?

00:18:35.920 I'm a Muslim.

00:18:36.900 But you've got to understand, right?

00:18:38.660 At the end of the day, you're not a Jew. 1.00

00:18:39.760 I'm sorry.

00:18:40.080 You're not a Jew. 1.00

00:18:40.560 You don't believe in the text.

00:18:41.600 You don't believe in what came before.

00:18:43.340 And there before you.

00:18:44.720 You queried whether there's a God or not.

00:18:46.580 What am I?

00:18:47.380 Hey.

00:18:47.940 So why do so many Muslims hate me for being a Jew?

00:18:50.020 Can I get a free pass, brother?

00:18:51.700 But because you're supporting Israel. 0.71

00:18:53.440 You come across as a Jew, but you're not. 1.00

00:18:55.620 I support Israel.

00:18:56.160 You know why?

00:18:56.600 Because let me tell you something.

00:18:57.900 You know why I support Israel?

00:18:58.980 Because I've read Hamas's charter. 0.89

00:19:00.600 And they're talking about the annihilation of me, my people, my mum, my cousins, my brothers,

00:19:04.220 my sisters, that you refuse to say is not okay.

00:19:08.060 And if that was the other way around.

00:19:09.680 I said it's not okay.

00:19:10.560 If they commit those acts, I said it's not okay.

00:19:12.540 No, no, no.

00:19:12.720 Not the acts.

00:19:13.520 No, no.

00:19:13.860 The charter that says they want to annihilate me and my family and my people.

00:19:17.560 I'm not educated on that matter enough.

00:19:19.500 Let's pretend it's true.

00:19:20.660 Let's pretend it's true.

00:19:21.580 Let's pretend it's true.

00:19:22.460 Let's pretend it's true.

00:19:23.580 Do you think Israel should... 0.99

00:19:24.680 So in one section, it clearly states, Israel will exist and continue to exist until Islam 0.97

00:19:31.360 will obliterate it just as it obliterated others before it.

00:19:35.020 That was the martyr he wrote in there.

00:19:36.780 The martyr, Imam Hussein al-Bana of blessed memory.

00:19:40.880 That's what it says.

00:19:42.020 So what number is that?

00:19:42.300 Well, it's not a number.

00:19:43.880 It's a whole text.

00:19:44.960 It's a whole text.

00:19:46.700 It's a whole text.

00:19:47.140 So there has to be a clear...

00:19:48.920 So what can Israel do?

00:19:50.300 There has to be a clear distinguish.

00:19:53.120 Like there has to be a clear separation, right?

00:19:55.480 So if I bash this guy right now for no reason, are you going to blame me as a whole, me as

00:20:03.840 a human, me as a group, or would you say that Muslim guy?

00:20:07.080 I'm a human acting out of Islam, right? 0.99

00:20:08.940 Let me put it to you this way.

00:20:10.640 Hold on.

00:20:11.060 Let me answer you.

00:20:11.780 Let me put...

00:20:12.120 Let me answer you.

00:20:13.100 If you...

00:20:13.580 Hold on.

00:20:15.560 One second.

00:20:16.280 One second.

00:20:17.180 If you wrote a Facebook post that said you want to get rid of all Asian people and you

00:20:23.360 came and bashed him, then I will blame...

00:20:26.060 I will blame...

00:20:26.760 What I believe in.

00:20:27.480 I will blame...

00:20:27.900 Ideology I believe in.

00:20:28.440 I'll blame you personally plus what you believe in and I would say we need to get rid of people

00:20:32.900 like you.

00:20:34.140 So first what you have to make a clear distinction is, right?

00:20:38.120 If that's in their charter, obviously that's not right because that's against the Qur'an.

00:20:43.820 Do you support the IDF getting rid of Hamas who have a charter like that? 1.00

00:20:47.080 Because there's no way to peace when there's a charter that says the other side doesn't

00:20:50.960 have a right to exist.

00:20:52.380 No.

00:20:52.840 Because at the end of the day, I'm not going to support one group or the other when I

00:20:57.520 don't have enough information on them.

00:20:58.960 But you're about justice.

00:21:00.040 I'm about justice.

00:21:00.940 And justice doesn't mean dropping a bomb and killing hundreds of kids to kill one person.

00:21:04.280 No, no, no.

00:21:04.480 But I'm saying...

00:21:05.120 Forget that for a second.

00:21:06.060 Ken, do you believe Israel has the right to get rid of Hamas who calls for the annihilation

00:21:12.680 of the Jewish state and have shown that they're willing to commit any atrocity to get the job 0.99

00:21:18.000 done?

00:21:18.480 I believe Israel have the right to defend themselves.

00:21:21.280 But not at all costs.

00:21:22.300 Not with collateral damage.

00:21:23.320 I say this.

00:21:25.180 The innocent people of Israel go in one spot. 0.89

00:21:27.920 Right?

00:21:28.080 Hear me out.

00:21:28.440 It might sound crazy.

00:21:30.040 The innocent people of Palestine go to one spot. 0.99

00:21:32.360 Those who want to fight, fight in a designated area.

00:21:34.920 What do you think they're doing right now when they're telling civilians to go down...

00:21:38.160 But they bombed that area.

00:21:39.140 They bombed that area.

00:21:39.620 They do not bomb the South.

00:21:41.400 They do not bomb the South.

00:21:42.920 Meanwhile, in the North, you have Hamas leaders who are surrounding themselves by children because 0.64

00:21:48.020 they want people like you to fight their cause.

00:21:50.980 At the end of the day, you're saying that Hamas is in the West Bank?

00:21:54.160 Okay.

00:21:54.540 Yep.

00:21:54.940 When...

00:21:55.420 Okay.

00:21:56.140 So I'm going off people who live there.

00:21:57.880 I'm telling you facts.

00:21:59.220 Like, this is not a fact you can argue.

00:22:00.460 You're saying it's safe.

00:22:01.080 It's a fact.

00:22:01.980 When was Hamas... 0.89

00:22:03.160 And I'm saying...

00:22:03.820 When did Hamas establish?

00:22:05.160 Have you?

00:22:05.420 I don't have the years in front of me when they were established.

00:22:07.960 Well, I've actually got...

00:22:09.000 I've got a flight to...

00:22:10.060 It'll be around 1960s.

00:22:11.460 I've got a flight to catch, actually.

00:22:13.040 But...

00:22:13.280 Just to wrap this up.

00:22:14.160 Just to wrap this up.

00:22:15.180 Around 1960s.

00:22:17.100 1987.

00:22:18.100 So, there's been...

00:22:19.680 Before 1945.

00:22:21.720 Yeah.

00:22:21.940 The apartheid. 0.72

00:22:22.740 It's been going for that long since...

00:22:24.100 We're calling it apartheid, but it's not...

00:22:25.120 Yes, it is.

00:22:25.800 Because Jews have the rightful act to come back, and no other person does. 1.00

00:22:29.080 No black person, no Muslim. 1.00

00:22:30.120 That's apartheid. 0.91

00:22:30.600 There's two million Arabs there, bro.

00:22:33.020 That's apartheid. 0.91

00:22:33.200 My office in the army was an Arab.

00:22:35.340 That's fine.

00:22:36.060 There's Arabs... 1.00

00:22:36.440 How's that apartheid? 0.63

00:22:37.300 Oh, I'm just saying they don't have the right to return.

00:22:39.360 That's not what apartheid means.

00:22:40.560 You're minimising the pain that people went through in apartheid.

00:22:44.080 Anyway, listen.

00:22:45.240 Can I ask you...

00:22:46.340 It's terrible what happened.

00:22:47.640 Just quickly to wrap this up.

00:22:49.500 Because at the end of the day, why I only have your respect is you said you'll condemn an act

00:22:54.320 of terror from IDF if they commit it.

00:22:56.940 If they kill an innocent person, you'll commit it.

00:22:59.660 If that is true, that they killed hundreds of people for one guy, would you agree with that?

00:23:04.440 So, again, I think the circumstances matters.

00:23:07.180 And my argument was, if a perpetrator of atrocities hides amongst his own kids...

00:23:14.300 Remember, Hamas should be doing everything they can to protect their own children.

00:23:19.280 Instead, they're using them so that they can get people like you to fight their battle here

00:23:25.180 on the streets of Brisbane.

00:23:26.440 That's what they do.

00:23:27.440 Yeah, because what you see are the images of kids.

00:23:30.320 Now, why do you think it works in Israel's best interest to kill kids? 0.85

00:23:34.480 If you're going on a rant, I ask you, the collateral damage is...

00:23:38.280 Collateral...

00:23:38.820 Let's say it's true. 0.89

00:23:40.000 Let's say it's true. 0.89

00:23:41.600 Collateral damage, he's the worst person in the world.

00:23:44.520 Okay?

00:23:44.980 No, not really.

00:23:45.680 You're not.

00:23:46.180 I'm saying, for instance, is it okay...

00:23:49.140 Just a simple yes or no.

00:23:50.300 Please, don't go on a tangent.

00:23:51.740 Just say, is it okay to kill someone who's the worst person in the world in a condensed

00:23:56.420 area where there's hundreds of people as collateral damage?

00:23:59.820 And it's not the only way.

00:24:00.920 You can infiltrate the area, you can set up snipers, do whatever you have to do.

00:24:04.620 Would you...

00:24:05.020 Would you...

00:24:05.520 I'm just saying...

00:24:06.120 If there are other ways, if there are other...

00:24:07.660 Yes.

00:24:08.540 Condemn it.

00:24:09.720 Absolutely.

00:24:10.620 No, you're the first person...

00:24:12.320 No, no.

00:24:12.720 But you preface it with...

00:24:14.340 You say that if there were other ways to do it.

00:24:16.760 Absolutely.

00:24:17.260 You're saying that...

00:24:17.720 You know what I'm talking about.

00:24:18.960 That orphanage that got hit.

00:24:19.940 I'm listening to what you're saying.

00:24:21.320 You know the orphanage that got hit, right?

00:24:22.600 We've talked about it.

00:24:23.400 You've been in the IDF.

00:24:24.360 What would be a better strategic way for less numbers to be killed?

00:24:27.520 Mate...

00:24:27.660 I'm asking you.

00:24:28.160 I'm telling you, have you ever fought in a war?

00:24:31.460 No, I haven't.

00:24:31.940 I tell you now, Gaza is one of the most highly populated places on the planet and it is a

00:24:37.180 very hard terrain to fight in.

00:24:39.560 So, my argument to you is that instead of placing all your anger at the Israelis who are

00:24:47.640 being backed into a corner, you should hold those Hamasniks accountable for using your 1.00

00:24:54.180 Muslim children as human shields because that's what they're doing. 1.00

00:24:58.160 All I'll say to you now, because I've never seen it, I need to see you for proof.

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Rebel News Podcast - November 22, 2023

Muslim man CONFRONTS Avi Yemini on Israel-Hamas war

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