Rebel News Podcast - New polls show the only Canadians who love Justin Trudeau are the media

00:00:00.000 Tonight, two new polls show that the only Canadians who love Justin Trudeau are in the media.

00:00:06.040 It's December 17th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:00:14.080 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:00:17.840 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:00:21.560 You come here once a year with a sign, and you feel morally superior.

00:00:24.540 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:00:35.180 I've got a little flicker of good news today in the form of two new public opinion polls.

00:00:40.040 I'll get to them in a moment, but first I want to talk about the nature of bad news.

00:00:44.280 We talk a lot about bad news on The Rebel.

00:00:46.860 Sometimes people email me to that effect.

00:00:48.920 It's not because we like bad news, it's because we don't like it.

00:00:52.340 And we report bad news because other media ignore the bad news or are actually in collusion with bad news.

00:01:00.440 And look, someone simply has to tell the other side of the story.

00:01:04.320 You're going to see a lot more of that fake news, good news.

00:01:07.240 Now that Justin Trudeau announced he's going to spend $595 million to bail out the few remaining private sector journalists in Canada.

00:01:14.740 Get used to CBC-style propaganda from everywhere.

00:01:18.660 Can I show you just two examples from the past week?

00:01:21.420 Look at this.

00:01:22.340 What about the Battle of the Ryans?

00:01:23.980 Ryan Reynolds or Ryan Gosling?

00:01:25.560 I just saw Ryan Reynolds' gin ad.

00:01:32.580 His sense of humor is just awesome.

00:01:36.100 I've met both of them.

00:01:37.320 Ryan Gosling is lovely and calm, but Ryan Reynolds just makes me proud to be a Canadian.

00:01:44.940 You may have a career as a diplomat.

00:01:46.320 You walk in the line beautifully.

00:01:48.820 Did you see the banner at the bottom there?

00:01:52.260 PM Justin Trudeau's first live interview at the end of the year.

00:01:56.980 That's amazing to have him on live TV.

00:01:59.440 So you've got the prime minister for a year-end interview.

00:02:01.880 That's amazing in itself.

00:02:03.740 But it's live.

00:02:04.920 So if you put something difficult to him, he can't get out and say this interview's canceled without humiliating himself.

00:02:12.620 So you've trapped him there.

00:02:14.200 There's nowhere to run.

00:02:15.580 You could ask him anything.

00:02:17.820 And instead, your question is, what's your favorite, Ryan?

00:02:26.020 I don't know.

00:02:26.780 Is the excuse because they're a daytime TV variety show, not a heavy political show?

00:02:31.260 I don't think that's a good excuse.

00:02:34.040 But there's no excuse for CBC's star political correspondent, Rosemary Barton. 0.98

00:02:39.020 Look at this.

00:02:40.400 If you could do any other job and you have to answer, what would it be?

00:02:43.940 I'd be a school teacher.

00:02:44.940 I knew you were going to say that.

00:02:45.760 No, no.

00:02:46.100 Like, aspirational.

00:02:46.960 But it's what I am.

00:02:48.320 Aspirational.

00:02:49.620 Something you haven't done.

00:02:53.780 No, it'd be that.

00:02:54.920 It'd be maybe running a school.

00:02:58.040 Something at the UN.

00:02:59.380 Something at the...

00:03:00.320 Oh, no.

00:03:00.620 Once I'm done politics, I'm done politics.

00:03:05.860 She asked him what podcasts he's into, what books he's reading.

00:03:12.360 Why?

00:03:12.800 You know, we took that interview there and we put a love song over it.

00:03:18.940 And then we focused on, and this is all their footage, but we just edited it to focus on the body language.

00:03:26.400 It was a first date.

00:03:28.160 It wasn't an accountability journalist.

00:03:29.560 Take a look at the body language.

00:03:30.740 Why do birds suddenly appear every time you want me here?

00:03:51.980 Why do stars fall down from the sky every time you walk by?

00:04:14.120 Just like me.

00:04:16.360 Just like me.

00:04:17.360 They long to be close to you.

00:04:22.980 You know, there's more than seven people, seven billion people in this world.

00:04:49.640 And there's a lot of lonely hearts out there thinking, am I ever going to find the one for me?

00:04:54.580 Am I ever going to find the one for me?

00:04:56.860 It's tough, but I tell you, if you find someone, I don't care what station in life they're from, where you find them.

00:05:05.480 If you find someone who looks at you the way Rosemary Barton looks at Justin Trudeau,

00:05:12.080 you grab hold of that someone and you never let them go.

00:05:15.040 That is a love that will never burn out.

00:05:18.580 All right?

00:05:21.260 If that Tinder ad, dating ad, reality show, you know, if that soft porn is the alternative to telling you bad news,

00:05:37.220 I'll skip it, thanks.

00:05:38.180 I'm not a PR man or a stenographer or a weird cheerleader or like a first speed date gal.

00:05:46.160 I'm a reporter.

00:05:47.460 This is that same Rosemary Barton taking a fangirl style selfie.

00:05:52.180 I wonder if she just sits at home with all her cats, just drinking wine,

00:05:56.760 just staring at that picture there and just doodling hearts with the letters JT plus RB in them.

00:06:03.840 I'm sorry, that ain't journalism, folks.

00:06:05.780 That ain't journalism.

00:06:06.500 At least not for me.

00:06:09.880 You know, we fell out of the Garden of Eden, didn't we?

00:06:13.560 For eating from the tree of knowledge.

00:06:16.000 But would we really want to go back to blissful ignorance and pretending there's no bad news

00:06:20.400 and pretending that we could maybe possibly love Justin Trudeau?

00:06:24.900 That really reminded me of how Monica Lewinsky looked at Bill Clinton. 1.00

00:06:30.180 But Rosemary Barton's a grownup. 1.00

00:06:31.560 What's her excuse?

00:06:32.380 Oh, my God.

00:06:33.520 That will never be us.

00:06:34.560 That is not real journalism.

00:06:35.480 That is fake news.

00:06:37.460 We report the bad news because that is the way the world is.

00:06:40.520 And we'll stop reporting the bad news when there is no more bad news.

00:06:43.020 Now, maybe we don't want to know the bad news.

00:06:45.800 Maybe we don't want to follow the bad news.

00:06:47.920 But you cannot un-know things once you know them.

00:06:50.960 You cannot un-see things once you've seen them.

00:06:53.880 I mean, just for example, 1,500 people in the city of Grand Prairie, population 65,000, had a protest yesterday.

00:07:00.940 1,500 people had a protest in a small city.

00:07:03.820 They weren't demanding a bailout or a handout.

00:07:07.680 They just wanted to be able to work, actually, to build a pipeline.

00:07:12.180 And here's what the environment minister said from a UN global warming conference half a world away.

00:07:18.720 Here's what she tweeted.

00:07:20.500 Countries need to see beyond their national interest that requires solutions and compromises in the broader interest.

00:07:27.900 Let me translate.

00:07:30.260 Sorry.

00:07:31.060 Sorry, Albertans.

00:07:31.820 Sorry, Canadians. 1.00

00:07:32.440 I met some really cool people at the UN conference.

00:07:36.020 She speaks with that vocal.

00:07:37.140 Bye.

00:07:37.640 And to impress them, I've decided that we need to phase out your oil and gas jobs.

00:07:41.720 So don't be surprised that they're taking this point of view because Justin Trudeau himself said so.

00:07:51.160 I've said time and time again, and you're all tired of hearing me say it,

00:07:54.940 you can't make a choice between what's good for the environment and what's good for the economy.

00:07:59.900 We can't shut down the oil sands tomorrow.

00:08:03.340 We need to phase them out.

00:08:06.900 Hmm.

00:08:08.780 Could you imagine him saying that about any other industry, by the way?

00:08:11.700 I don't think Trudeau has actually ever done a real day's work in his life.

00:08:14.760 He was born a millionaire trust fund kid, son of Pierre Trudeau, millionaire trust fund kid.

00:08:19.540 You know, the last Trudeau, I've told you this before,

00:08:21.000 last Trudeau to actually have to work for a living was Justin Trudeau's grandfather, Charles,

00:08:26.580 or Charlie as they called him.

00:08:27.800 He actually ran a chain of gas stations in Quebec, if you can believe it.

00:08:31.120 Charlie Trudeau worked hard, sold his chain of gas stations to Imperial Oil,

00:08:34.960 and the Trudeaus have never had to work a day since.

00:08:37.940 Charlie Trudeau died before Justin Trudeau was even born.

00:08:41.320 Justin Trudeau has never even met a family member who's had to work for a living.

00:08:44.920 So here's what Justin Trudeau has to say about the people who work hard,

00:08:50.120 whose jobs he wants to phase out, people who work hard like his grandfather used to do.

00:08:55.540 You might not say, oh, what does a gender lens have to do with building this new highway 1.00

00:08:59.120 or this new pipeline or something?

00:09:01.420 Well, there are gender impacts.

00:09:03.720 When you bring construction workers into a rural area,

00:09:06.660 there are social impacts because they're mostly male construction workers.

00:09:10.280 How are you adjusting and adapting to those?

00:09:13.020 That's what the gender lens in GBA Plus budgeting is all about. 1.00

00:09:17.820 Let me translate.

00:09:18.980 You don't want a bunch of gross, blue-collar men building a factory or a mine or a highway or pipeline

00:09:23.860 because, and this is his clear meaning, there's no other meaning that makes sense

00:09:27.320 because those men will go in and rape women in the local community. 0.97

00:09:31.700 That's clearly what he means.

00:09:33.040 That is not a gaffe.

00:09:34.500 That's what they keep on saying.

00:09:35.860 That's how they talk.

00:09:36.600 Remember this?

00:09:37.600 Gender impact, how does that fit into a pipeline approval process? 0.99

00:09:40.300 So I'm really glad you asked that because I think people are like, well, what is this gender thing?

00:09:44.260 Well, imagine that you have a huge number of people going to a remote community, many men.

00:09:51.840 What is the impact on the community?

00:09:53.660 What is the impact on women in the community? 1.00

00:09:55.660 And actually, once again, smart proponents understand this.

00:09:58.400 So they're going to put measures in place.

00:09:59.920 That's all it is.

00:10:00.640 It's just taking a smart approach to thinking about, okay, what's going to be the impact of a major development in a particular area?

00:10:07.900 Even Don Martin of the mainstream media knows that's kooky.

00:10:12.920 So undo industry to please ideology, to please foreigners at the UN conference. 0.98

00:10:17.400 That's a theme with Trudeau and his cabinet.

00:10:19.760 They put everyone's interests ahead of Canada's interests.

00:10:22.760 We have sent our underpaid, under-equipped military to Mali.

00:10:28.680 They're there now.

00:10:30.700 Not sure what the mission is.

00:10:32.960 Not sure what the measurement of success is.

00:10:36.060 Not sure what the Canadian interest is.

00:10:39.600 But as Catherine McKenna tells us, we have to get beyond doing things that are in Canada's interest.

00:10:46.260 So we're helping Mali, but we can't afford to continue our own 40-year NATO tradition of hosting a two-week Air Force training exercise in Cold Lake, Alberta.

00:10:57.360 So that's canceled.

00:10:59.000 But we've got Mali covered, whatever it is that we're doing there.

00:11:04.180 And of course, we put foreign migrants ahead of Canadian citizens, too.

00:11:07.780 We signed that UN Global Compact for Migration that creates the counterfeit human right to immigrate to Canada, to get free health care in Canada, to bring other relatives with you to Canada. 0.59

00:11:16.660 We just did it.

00:11:17.760 And anyone who disagrees is obviously a racist.

00:11:20.300 The liberals use that Nazi phrase.

00:11:23.320 Even though polls show that only 6% of Canadians want more immigration, 6%.

00:11:28.700 That's that tiny number at the bottom.

00:11:30.260 So it's frustrating.

00:11:31.320 But what do you do?

00:11:33.800 Do you join the bailout media and just sing for your supper?

00:11:36.160 Should we just get with the program and, I don't know, do a story about Justin Trudeau's socks?

00:11:43.780 No, never, never, never.

00:11:45.000 Because if we put Canada first in our hearts, in real life, that means putting Canadians first.

00:11:49.640 That means defending Canada's interests.

00:11:51.980 And Canadians desperately want that.

00:11:54.460 And today we have proof, is what I'm saying.

00:11:57.440 First, look at this story.

00:11:59.020 Front page of the Hilltimes newspaper in Ottawa.

00:12:00.980 It's a real insider's newspaper, really just made for MP, senator, their staff, lobbyists.

00:12:05.340 It tilts left, obsessed with gossip and inside baseball.

00:12:08.660 But I bet the story is being passed around Parliament Hill a lot today.

00:12:11.800 Look at this.

00:12:13.460 Liberals should be exceptionally concerned about potential recession in 2019.

00:12:18.060 Voters' anxiety on unrestricted immigration, says Nanos.

00:12:21.680 That's the headline.

00:12:22.840 Nanos, of course, refers to Nick Nanos, a fairly reputable Canadian pollster, as establishment as they come.

00:12:28.180 I mean, he's no rogue.

00:12:29.900 And here's what he says.

00:12:30.700 Let me read a little bit of the story for you.

00:12:31.840 He says, Prime Minister, this is the Hilltimes, Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, liberals, should be exceptionally concerned about the very negative economic mood right now in Canada, with potential for a recession in 2019.

00:12:46.180 And the Conservatives' attempts to paint liberals as supporters of unrestricted immigration, as the combined effect could become a serious problem for the party in the next election.

00:12:56.480 I'll read just a little more.

00:12:57.640 There's a very negative economic mood in the country, said Nick Nanos, president and CEO of Nanos Research, in an interview with the Hilltimes.

00:13:04.700 A sitting government presiding over a recession usually is not good news for the sitting government.

00:13:09.960 I think that's obviously right.

00:13:11.180 Those are the two big issues.

00:13:12.680 Trudeau's war on industry, which is couched in environmentalist ideology, and Trudeau's obsession with mass immigration, especially illegal immigration.

00:13:20.680 And it has to be said, Muslim immigration.

00:13:23.100 He's obsessed with it.

00:13:24.480 And you can be a fake news, good news type and ignore it and go on first dates with Trudeau and ask him, who's your favorite?

00:13:30.620 Who's your favorite Ryan?

00:13:32.260 No, come on. 0.85

00:13:33.080 No, come on. 0.85

00:13:33.520 You do it.

00:13:35.040 Or you can talk about the real news.

00:13:38.680 Let me read some more from the story.

00:13:39.960 According to the Nanos Research, a weekly rolling poll numbers released last week, the Liberals and the Conservatives were tied in the statistical dead heat.

00:13:50.280 The numbers were released on December 7th indicate that the Conservatives had 34.8% support nationally, followed closely by the Liberals with 34.1%.

00:13:58.300 The NDP had the support of 15.8%, and the Green Party support was at 8.2%.

00:14:03.060 Now, I had seen a poll from another pollster last week that showed the Conservatives doing well also, but I thought it was an anomaly, but two different pollsters in a row suggest that it's probably not an anomaly, might be a trend.

00:14:14.780 But here's how Nanos explains it.

00:14:16.780 Mr. Nanos attributed the notable drop in Liberal support to the psychological effect of the General Motors auto plant closing in Oshawa, Ontario last month, the low oil prices affecting the Alberta economy, and the slow pace of progress on the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion on Canadians' declining confidence in the state of the country's economy.

00:14:35.160 I think that's right, although I'm not sure how many people follow pipeline politics outside of the West, but maybe.

00:14:42.680 He's a pollster. It's his job to know.

00:14:44.640 I think he's probably generally right.

00:14:47.500 Now, unemployment in Canada is low right now in most parts of the country, so that looks good, right?

00:14:52.600 But growth of our economy is slowing, slowing.

00:14:56.100 It's half that of Donald Trump's America.

00:14:57.700 It's slowing to a halt.

00:14:59.100 Investment is drying up.

00:15:00.280 I mean, when you turn away $50 billion worth of private investments in your country's pipelines and liquid natural gas projects, you're not just hurting Grand Prairie.

00:15:11.020 You're hurting, I don't know, engineering companies in Quebec and investment companies in Toronto and a thousand other companies from airlines to auto dealers to hotels to restaurants.

00:15:20.400 You can't take $50 billion out of an economy our size and not have it hurt.

00:15:23.940 But more to the point, you are signaling to the next $50 billion or $500 billion just to put the money in the states, where Donald Trump couldn't be clearer.

00:15:34.400 He wants to create jobs, not talk about gender.

00:15:39.160 Let me read a little more on that.

00:15:40.720 Mr. Nano said the federal liberals so far have focused mainly on progressive elements of their agenda, on issues such as the marijuana legalization, gender equality, First Nations issues, or the environment.

00:15:52.120 And if a recession did hit Canada next year, people will question why the liberal government, led by Prime Minister Trudeau, did not focus more on jobs in the economy.

00:16:01.180 Yeah, well, the media party loves all those things.

00:16:03.220 So isn't that good enough?

00:16:04.900 Last quote from Nano.

00:16:05.860 So I know I'm quoting a lot, but it's interesting.

00:16:08.200 He said about immigration here.

00:16:09.200 He says,

00:16:09.420 The message from the conservatives, Mr. Nano said, is that by supporting unrestricted immigration, the liberals are not only risking Canadian security, but also the Canadian economy.

00:16:32.560 Well, I think it's true.

00:16:33.600 See, open borders, mass migration, European style, Angela Merkel style, it's obviously not in our economic interest.

00:16:42.000 I mean, 90% of Trudeau's Syrian migrants still don't work three years later. 0.95

00:16:45.400 They don't speak English or French.

00:16:47.000 They don't have any marketable skills.

00:16:48.620 And frankly, they're not that interested in working when they can get huge payments from the government not to work.

00:16:55.300 As you know, 50,000 bucks just for arriving here, as access to information documents show.

00:16:59.600 But we also know in our bones, just in terms of the sheer number, if you bring in 340,000, that's their latest number, 400,000, 450,000 people a year in the country, that's what their own think tank says they should do, 450,000 people a year.

00:17:18.740 Well, that drives up housing costs. 0.99

00:17:21.400 That drives down wages, because these are unskilled immigrants. 1.00

00:17:25.060 It increases traffic in the big cities.

00:17:28.560 That increases wait lists in hospitals.

00:17:31.040 If you live in Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, imagine adding 450,000 people a year.

00:17:36.600 They're going to those three big cities.

00:17:37.960 How's your traffic going to be?

00:17:40.580 We know this has an economic impact.

00:17:42.500 We know it has a quality of life impact.

00:17:44.240 And the thing is, Canada, until recently, was so warm-hearted towards immigrants, so welcoming, but something has changed.

00:17:50.160 And it's not that we're Nazis now, despite what the liberals say.

00:17:54.500 It's that Trudeau has allowed lawbreakers, illegals, scammers, whatever, to jump to the front of the line.

00:17:59.460 He is what has changed.

00:18:01.800 Him, not us. 0.55

00:18:03.360 So look at this.

00:18:04.260 This is from Pew Research.

00:18:06.500 Have you heard of them?

00:18:07.340 They're a massive U.S. think tank.

00:18:10.040 Liberal-leaning, but a good reputation.

00:18:12.180 I trust them.

00:18:13.020 And this new survey from Pew measures the same thing that the Angus Reid poll earlier measured, how many people want immigration to be reduced or stay the same, and how many want it increased.

00:18:25.060 But it does it country by country instead of just focusing on Canada, obviously.

00:18:28.360 So it's an international comparison.

00:18:30.440 And look at that.

00:18:31.260 Scroll down to Canada there.

00:18:32.540 Yeah.

00:18:33.820 Just look at that for a second.

00:18:34.880 So under Justin Trudeau, Canada has become more hostile to immigration than America under Donald Trump.

00:18:43.880 Just hold it there for a second.

00:18:45.820 29% plus 44% of Americans, 29% plus 44%, want less immigration or the same amount.

00:18:56.780 But 27% plus 53%, 80% of Canadians want less immigration or the same amount.

00:19:05.180 So that's exactly what Angus Reid found, too, by the way, to the percent.

00:19:09.360 So in America, that number is just 73%.

00:19:11.240 So Trudeau has burned up so much Canadian goodwill.

00:19:14.540 He's calling us Nazis now.

00:19:16.700 But he's the one that has turned Canadians against immigration even more than Americans are.

00:19:22.980 Nick Nanos thinks people are wising up to this.

00:19:25.040 But let me show you one more poll, OK?

00:19:26.900 Let me close today with polls.

00:19:28.400 This is the flicker of good news, along with that first one by Nanos.

00:19:31.560 This is from Angus Reid again.

00:19:32.760 This is a new poll from Angus Reid.

00:19:33.920 It's an interesting poll.

00:19:36.500 It checks what Canadians think about individual cabinet ministers.

00:19:40.460 It tests individual ministers.

00:19:42.620 Headline, federal cabinet ratings.

00:19:43.860 A happy new year for Freeland.

00:19:45.340 Hassan, so he faced cold winter ahead.

00:19:48.620 Now, I have some questions with the methodology here.

00:19:51.000 I mean, how valid is a public opinion poll that asks Canadians what they think of Mary Ng?

00:19:56.160 When I don't think 99% of Canadians have ever heard of Mary Ng or know that she's in cabinet.

00:20:03.540 She is.

00:20:05.080 She's the minister of small business, which is just classic.

00:20:08.540 She has spent her life working in the government sector.

00:20:12.160 She works for a government sector union for 20 years.

00:20:14.600 She knows about as much as running a small business as I know about, you know, running a marathon. 0.99

00:20:20.040 So, yeah.

00:20:20.660 What value would a poll have that asked about her? 1.00

00:20:23.900 No one even knows who she is.

00:20:25.040 Of course not.

00:20:25.500 She doesn't even know who she is. 0.94

00:20:26.980 Or how about this woman?

00:20:29.040 Philomena Tassi.

00:20:30.160 You ever heard of her?

00:20:31.600 I don't think you have.

00:20:32.920 She's also a low-achievement liberal.

00:20:35.080 She's the cabinet minister for seniors.

00:20:38.580 Now, it's not impossible for a first-term minister to make a name for themselves.

00:20:41.620 It's just that given how many cabinet ministers were appointed by Trudeau for reasons of gender and racial quotas, and he says that,

00:20:50.340 it's not surprising that they really haven't made a mark in the world.

00:20:52.740 They just read talking points written to them by the prime minister's office.

00:20:55.920 It truly is a one-man show in Ottawa.

00:20:57.700 It's impossible to think of the federal liberal party without Justin Trudeau.

00:21:00.480 It really is just a hollow show without him.

00:21:03.340 And he himself, of course, is a hollow man, full of sound and fury, but signifying nothing.

00:21:08.580 But at least he's got buzz.

00:21:10.980 Speaking of signifying nothing, did you see this clip the other day?

00:21:14.380 CERN is what happens when we hit a recession.

00:21:17.060 If you're running $19 billion deficits now, your fiscal capacity to deal with a rainy day has got to be worse.

00:21:24.080 Actually, that's not true, and for two reasons.

00:21:26.080 First of all, the ratings agencies have given us that AAA because they are confident in our ability to withstand shocks in the future if they come.

00:21:34.920 Secondly, when Canadians have better jobs, when they have more education, when we have solid infrastructure,

00:21:41.140 either climate change, resilient infrastructure to protect us from floods, or more public transit, or more housing,

00:21:50.080 Canadians do better even if there are difficult times in the economy.

00:21:53.700 That's the choice we made, to invest in our communities, to invest in our future, and that's what's giving Canadians confidence.

00:22:01.540 What?

00:22:04.700 My hovercraft is full of eels.

00:22:06.600 Bowling ball, staple gun, guacamole, feminism, gender equity lens. 0.67

00:22:12.260 That is what we call a word salad. 0.95

00:22:15.980 I think maybe you heard the word rainy day there.

00:22:18.440 And you thought, oh, rainy, go ahead there, global warming.

00:22:23.940 Let me just play the global warming message track.

00:22:26.000 I don't know.

00:22:27.440 That's an embarrassment, folks.

00:22:29.000 That's an embarrassment.

00:22:30.820 But back to the Angus Reid poll.

00:22:32.520 They actually did control a little bit for the fact that Trudeau leads a cabinet of 34 dwarves. 0.97

00:22:37.740 They asked Canadians first if they could recognize a politician before asking them to rate the politician.

00:22:42.320 So they broke it down into high-profile ministers, medium-profile ministers, and nobodies.

00:22:48.820 So here's the top five and the bottom five cabinet ministers from their list, according to the poll.

00:22:53.000 So Chrystia Freeland is in the lead. 0.54

00:22:54.940 And what this means is the percent saying they're doing a good job more or less than those saying a bad job.

00:23:01.100 So Chrystia Freeland, 20% more people think she's doing a good job than a bad job. 0.99

00:23:04.840 Now, I think she's a disaster. 1.00

00:23:07.620 I mean, is there a country around the world we're not quarreling with right now?

00:23:10.540 China just took two Canadians hostage.

00:23:15.140 Canada is regarded as a foolish country in India.

00:23:20.640 Saudi Arabia is threatening us. 0.99

00:23:22.500 Chrystia Freeland is actually legally banned from Russia.

00:23:25.880 Did you know that?

00:23:26.740 Donald Trump just ate our lunch in NAFTA.

00:23:29.900 Cuba is using microwave weapons to endanger our diplomats and their families in Havana.

00:23:36.580 But hey, the fake news, good news media love her.

00:23:39.540 Maybe she should go on a date with someone.

00:23:43.000 I guess if you pump out 24-7 propaganda, I guess it works because people think, I mean, we have never been more alone in the world as we are now.

00:23:51.400 But Chrystia Freeland is just tops. 0.98

00:23:53.760 That poll suggests she has a net 20% favorable rating.

00:23:56.600 Now, next is Mark Garneau.

00:23:58.240 Do you see that?

00:23:59.700 He's a plus 16.

00:24:00.920 Can you name anything Mark Garneau has done in the past three years?

00:24:04.480 Don't feel bad.

00:24:05.180 I can't either.

00:24:06.580 Trudeau really hasn't let him do much since Trudeau crushed him in the leadership race.

00:24:10.320 I think that positive view is just people who remember that he used to be an astronaut once, and he was served in the Canadian military, and he looks and sounds like a grown-up, and he's got a little bit of dignity.

00:24:21.440 But can you name one thing he's done as a cabinet minister?

00:24:23.480 I mean, I guess he's the one who banned the tankers off the coast of B.C., but that's really been the work of Trudeau and McKenna, hasn't it?

00:24:31.520 But look at the disapprovals on that chart.

00:24:35.040 Bill Morneau has a net negative 20% favorability, no doubt.

00:24:39.400 He comes across as sneaky and tricky and dishonest.

00:24:42.440 Remember he lied to the ethics commissioner about his villa in France.

00:24:45.880 He said, whoopsie, who teehee, I forgot, I just forgot.

00:24:49.940 Who wouldn't forget about their villa in France?

00:24:52.860 Sorry, Your Honor.

00:24:56.160 You remember when he had a massive stake in his old company called Morneau-Chapelle while passing all these tax changes that favored Morneau-Chapelle?

00:25:05.020 Oh, how did that happen?

00:25:07.640 No wonder so many people signed our petition.

00:25:09.340 Remember that great truck?

00:25:10.200 Look at that.

00:25:10.520 I miss that old truck.

00:25:13.500 FireMorneau.com.

00:25:15.700 Boy, that was a great truck.

00:25:19.320 All right.

00:25:20.780 You know what?

00:25:22.180 Patty Hajdu, she's not well-known either, is she?

00:25:27.980 Other than for being the face of the discriminatory campaign to force anyone who wanted a summer job grant for students,

00:25:33.940 they had to sign an attestation that they support Justin Trudeau's personal views on social issues like abortion.

00:25:39.040 It was weird, completely inappropriate, and obviously intolerant.

00:25:43.480 And Heidi was the face of it.

00:25:44.840 But look at who is actually near the bottom.

00:25:51.360 Ahmed Hassan, the immigration minister, minus 26.

00:25:55.640 And Amarjit Sohi, just absolutely despised a negative score of 36%, just in a league of his own.

00:26:03.320 The most hated man in cabinet?

00:26:04.960 Yes, he is.

00:26:05.520 Now, Sohi is in a league of his own, but you could also say he's out of his league in terms of the substance of the father.

00:26:13.120 He has no idea what he's talking about.

00:26:14.520 He doesn't know anything about oil and gas.

00:26:16.340 He's from Edmonton.

00:26:17.180 Yet that don't count.

00:26:18.720 When it comes to pipelines, there's so many leftists who have to pretend that they actually like oil and gas.

00:26:23.620 Listen to this.

00:26:24.440 This is a mix of ignorance and arrogance.

00:26:26.040 But what's so amazing is this clip he actually published to social media himself.

00:26:31.740 He thought this made him look super smart and super good.

00:26:35.920 The oil is to Alberta, what is auto to Ontario, and what is aerospace to Quebec.

00:26:43.760 It is so disappointing to see that when we made the decision to invest $4.5 billion to move this project forward so we can support the oil sector in Alberta the proper way,

00:26:57.780 every single Conservative member of the Federal Conservative Party did not support that decision.

00:27:03.360 Your promise with construction would start this past summer.

00:27:06.680 That they are willing to invest $12 billion and write off $3 billion to support an industry.

00:27:13.780 But when it comes to Alberta oil and gas sector, they back off.

00:27:19.140 You're one of 200,000 unemployed Albertans in here that's scolding, arrogant, know-nothing lecturing you.

00:27:24.980 I'm surprised it's not minus 56.

00:27:28.160 You think that guy's going to build any pipelines?

00:27:30.420 No, me neither.

00:27:32.020 Look, there's only so much stock you should put in a poll like this.

00:27:35.040 I mean, at the end of the day, you only get to vote for the candidate in your own riding.

00:27:40.120 People don't think of Amarjeet Sohi when they're marking a ballot in their riding other than his.

00:27:45.180 Like I say, most of Trudeau's MPs and most of his cabinet are still new to Canadians.

00:27:49.200 Many are first-term NTPs and many are just window-dressing affirmative action hires who don't really do the work that's done in the PMO.

00:27:56.220 But I think there really is a correlation.

00:27:58.500 The more important a file, the better known the file, the less Canadians like their liberals.

00:28:05.160 Wouldn't you agree with me?

00:28:05.920 Bill Morneau, disliked.

00:28:08.420 Ahmed Hassan, disliked.

00:28:09.820 Amarjeet Sohi, deeply disliked.

00:28:12.200 Yet all of these issues.

00:28:13.580 Morneau saying that high taxes and big spending and big deficits are fine.

00:28:17.580 What we really need is a gender budget. 1.00

00:28:19.780 Hassan saying that open borders, mass illegal immigration is fine.

00:28:23.480 And so he's saying that, no, he's doing a great job for oil and gas.

00:28:28.100 It's the conservatives who hate oil and gas.

00:28:30.340 These are the key issues upon which Trudeau, well, those are the ones he's in trouble for.

00:28:35.980 That's what Nicknano's talking about.

00:28:37.020 They're the most hated cabinet ministers.

00:28:38.600 Now, don't bet on this poll.

00:28:40.000 But there are enough data points now, I think, to show a trend.

00:28:43.920 Canadians don't buy the spin from the liberals.

00:28:46.580 And they're not persuaded from the fake news, good news, first-date media.

00:28:50.540 With the possible exception of Chrystia Freeland, who surely, by any measure, must be regarded

00:28:55.840 as the least successful foreign minister in Canadian memory.

00:29:00.640 But these polls together are reason to hope and not to give up and to realize that although

00:29:05.320 we feel like we're telling people bad news all the time, the fact is, it's just the news.

00:29:11.000 The news happens to be bad.

00:29:12.840 And doing that, telling people the ugly truth, warning them, ringing the alarm, rather than

00:29:17.380 telling them pretty lies and going on dates and asking, but who's your favorite

00:29:20.480 Ryan?

00:29:21.500 Now, come on.

00:29:23.840 Telling bad news is possibly the most important job, almost a public service, that the media

00:29:28.420 can do for the public.

00:29:30.040 Don't you think?

00:29:31.500 Stay with us for more.

00:29:32.460 Well, they say water is the universal solvent, as in everything dissolves in it.

00:29:53.400 That's almost true.

00:29:54.300 I think that global warming is the universal excuse, the universal justification for everything

00:30:00.120 from carbon taxes to social policy, whatever.

00:30:04.260 It can be excused by global warming.

00:30:06.240 And odds are there's a policy arguing for it from a research paper that was funded, because

00:30:11.860 if you say you're studying global warming, you're going to get dough for it.

00:30:15.640 I remember that our friend David Menzies reported that one of the official excuses for that migrant 1.00

00:30:22.300 care man coming up from Mexico to the United States was they were climate refugees.

00:30:27.600 I'm not even kidding.

00:30:28.440 It is the universal excuse for globalism and big government.

00:30:33.440 Well, one of the arguments in this bundle of global warming arguments is that because

00:30:38.620 of global warming, we have to depopulate the planets.

00:30:44.640 And you've heard this many times.

00:30:46.220 In fact, David Suzuki often says this.

00:30:49.140 He's against immigration to Canada because he thinks we need fewer people.

00:30:54.720 I should point out he himself has five children.

00:30:58.800 I tell you all this because I have in studio with me the author of a new book debunking

00:31:03.880 this theory.

00:31:04.680 The book is called Population Bomb, Exploding the Link Between Overpopulation and Climate

00:31:11.500 Change.

00:31:11.960 And joining me now is our friend Pierre de Rocher, who wrote the book with Joanna Cermak.

00:31:16.360 Great to see you again in studio.

00:31:17.840 Nice to see you.

00:31:18.580 It's been too long.

00:31:19.540 You're a professor at University of Toronto.

00:31:21.880 I am so glad you are because you are a skeptic on issues like this.

00:31:28.880 And I think you're a contrarian in the academic world.

00:31:31.760 Would you agree with me?

00:31:32.540 And I still have a job, yes.

00:31:33.740 That's a little bit of a miracle.

00:31:35.460 Do you have tenure yet or should I have tenure?

00:31:36.880 Oh, no, no, no, no.

00:31:37.480 I have tenure.

00:31:38.060 I have tenure.

00:31:38.500 Trust me.

00:31:38.580 Oh, I was going to say that.

00:31:39.840 I was going to say, if you write a book that challenges the official global warming narrative

00:31:44.240 like this, you better have tenure or you'll be an ex-professor pretty soon.

00:31:47.880 Yes, but yeah, lucky for me, the OFT has been good so far.

00:31:51.700 They still respect tenure, unlike some other Canadian institutions.

00:31:54.780 But that's another debate, yes.

00:31:56.700 Yeah.

00:31:57.020 Well, let's get to this book because I'm trying to understand it.

00:32:00.060 I just leafed through it and I appreciate you bringing it.

00:32:03.100 And by the way, if folks want to learn more about the book, read some op-eds, they can go

00:32:07.980 to populationbombed.com and they can get all that info.

00:32:13.280 But we got you here.

00:32:15.240 Tell me about the thesis that the left has.

00:32:18.140 Did I properly explain it?

00:32:19.480 No, you explained it.

00:32:20.620 But the problem, the conundrum is the following.

00:32:22.960 So there's more of us than ever before.

00:32:25.200 So when Thomas Maltus wrote the, well, let's call it the original population bomb two centuries

00:32:30.160 ago, there were about a billion people on planet Earth.

00:32:33.500 Today, there's over 7.5 billion of us.

00:32:36.740 We live a lot longer.

00:32:38.540 We're a lot healthier.

00:32:39.520 We're also a lot wealthier.

00:32:41.280 And at the same time, if you look at the environment and advanced economies, well, our water is

00:32:47.460 cleaner, our air is cleaner, our forests are making a huge comeback.

00:32:52.060 We've never had it so good.

00:32:53.900 So how can you explain a much larger population and a cleaner environment?

00:33:00.020 And so what the book attempts to do is to explain that none of the good things that we have today,

00:33:04.540 and I'm not talking only about our wealth and our health, but also our cleaner environment,

00:33:08.060 would have been possible without that increase in population and more carbon fuels.

00:33:13.920 Very interesting.

00:33:15.840 Remind our viewers, the Reverend Thomas Maltus, his argument, it was about 100 and...

00:33:21.580 It was about 200 years ago.

00:33:22.680 200 years ago.

00:33:23.480 And he was in a panic because he did the math.

00:33:26.660 Yes.

00:33:26.900 And he said population increases exponentially.

00:33:30.760 Yes.

00:33:31.520 But food...

00:33:32.200 Food production can never keep up.

00:33:33.900 Yeah.

00:33:34.420 So what was the name of his thesis back then?

00:33:38.220 I just forgot what it was called.

00:33:40.100 Well, it was an essay on the principle of population.

00:33:42.460 Right.

00:33:42.820 But the problem is that Maltus only focused on food.

00:33:45.440 And then other people came after him and they said, well, there's food, but there's also coal.

00:33:50.140 We're going to run out of coal.

00:33:51.220 And then we're going to run out of oil.

00:33:52.320 The Club of Rome, like as late as the 1970s, people said, we're going to run out of steel,

00:33:56.420 we're going to run out of iron, we're going to run out of coal, we're going to run out

00:34:00.140 of everything.

00:34:01.540 And there was a great bet, wasn't there?

00:34:03.080 A great bet.

00:34:04.020 Was it Paul Ehrlich versus...

00:34:04.980 Paul Ehrlich and Julian Simon.

00:34:06.320 So Paul Ehrlich was the most well-known, let's call him population bomber, that was often

00:34:11.680 his name at the time, who argued like most biologists.

00:34:14.800 And you see, the problem with people like David Suzuki and Paul Ehrlich is that they're biologists

00:34:18.880 by training, and they refuse to acknowledge that humans act differently than other animal

00:34:23.380 species.

00:34:24.380 So what they think is that, well, if you have a test tube full of food and you put in a

00:34:28.400 few bacterias in there, eventually the bacterias will multiply and they will run out of food. 0.96

00:34:32.960 And they think that human societies behave the same way.

00:34:36.760 And one of the...

00:34:37.260 I want to stop it there because I know the exact video.

00:34:40.100 David Suzuki is so famous for that story.

00:34:42.780 Let me show a quick clip of that.

00:34:44.720 It's so...

00:34:45.500 I find it infuriating.

00:34:46.920 He compares us...

00:34:48.040 He always does that.

00:34:49.180 He's a fruit fly geneticist, or at least he used to be.

00:34:51.860 He always compares people to maggots and things like that.

00:34:55.040 Here's a quick clip of David Suzuki with this bacteria argument, and then I'm going to ask

00:34:59.100 you to debunk it.

00:34:59.840 Here, take a look at this.

00:35:01.340 I'm going to give you a system analogous to the planet, and that's a test tube full of

00:35:05.740 food for bacteria.

00:35:07.640 So the test tube and food is a planet, and the bacteria are us.

00:35:12.980 Now, I'm going to introduce one bacterial cell in, and it's going to divide every minute. 0.96

00:35:18.400 That's exponential growth.

00:35:19.940 So at time zero, at the beginning, there's one cell.

00:35:22.840 One minute, there are two.

00:35:24.720 Two minutes, there are four.

00:35:26.000 Three minutes, there are eight.

00:35:27.020 Four minutes, 16.

00:35:28.200 That's exponential growth.

00:35:29.720 And at 60 minutes, the test tube is completely packed with bacteria, and there's no food

00:35:34.820 left.

00:35:35.360 So we have a 60-minute growth cycle.

00:35:37.920 When is the test tube only half full?

00:35:40.640 Well, of course, the answer is at 59 minutes.

00:35:43.000 Even though it's been chugging along for 59 minutes, it's only half full, but one minute

00:35:47.760 later, it'll be completely filled.

00:35:49.780 So that means at 58 minutes, it's 25% full.

00:35:53.240 57 minutes, it's 12.5% full.

00:35:55.740 At 55 minutes of a 60-minute cycle, it's 3% full.

00:36:01.640 At 55 minutes, one of the bacteria says, hey, guys, I've been thinking, we've got a problem.

00:36:06.060 We've got a population problem.

00:36:07.540 The other bacteria would say, Jack, what the hell have you been smoking, man?

00:36:11.280 97% of the test tube's empty, and we've been around for 55 minutes.

00:36:15.540 I've seen that, and I find that so irritating.

00:36:18.460 Give me a quick rebuttal to that Suzuki propaganda.

00:36:21.540 He always talks about that.

00:36:23.020 Yes, well, what you have to ask yourself is, how did human beings end up at the top

00:36:27.880 of the food chain?

00:36:29.060 Well, we have two evolutionary traits that you don't find in other animal species.

00:36:33.140 The first is that we trade physical goods.

00:36:35.440 So, you know, you have other animal species that will trade services, let's say, grooming

00:36:38.880 for protection.

00:36:40.340 But human beings, well, for a long time, we've been able to move large quantities of physical

00:36:44.520 goods over long distances, over long geographical distances.

00:36:48.480 The other ability that we have that you don't see in the rest of the animal kingdom is our

00:36:53.140 capacity to innovate, to create new things.

00:36:56.160 And how do we do that?

00:36:57.220 Well, essentially, by combining existing things in new ways.

00:37:00.840 So when you have a problem, let's say at one point, well, people had ink, people had

00:37:05.160 wood, and then other substances came along, and they say, well, why don't we develop something

00:37:09.540 different to write?

00:37:11.020 And then you combine a typewriter with electronics.

00:37:14.160 You get our modern computer.

00:37:15.580 You get things like that.

00:37:16.360 So the more things we have, the more we can invent.

00:37:19.500 And so these two traits are really unique to human beings.

00:37:22.400 And what we've been able to do is, for example, concentrate food production in the best locations

00:37:27.220 in the world.

00:37:27.800 So we produce a lot more food on a lot less land than in the past.

00:37:31.440 And we keep coming up with substitutes for things that exist.

00:37:35.040 So unlike, let's say, animal species, if you have tigers, well, their number is absolutely

00:37:39.020 limited by the number of preys.

00:37:41.020 But humans can eat all sorts of things.

00:37:42.560 So we developed agriculture, we expand our food supply, and we were able to catch fishes

00:37:47.480 in the sea.

00:37:48.440 Then when that became problematic, we developed aquaculture.

00:37:51.480 So and one of the great things that humanity was able to do, and I think the key that environmentalists

00:37:57.060 don't understand is that over time, we increasingly replaced things that were produced on the surface

00:38:01.680 of the planet, so let's say animal for food or for wool, growing plants for dyes, by things

00:38:07.780 that came from underground.

00:38:09.220 So products derived from coal, from petroleum, from natural gas.

00:38:13.500 And the answer that people like Suzuki and Ehrlich are unable to see is that we have more stuff,

00:38:19.440 not only because of the energy that we extract from under the ground rather than burning wood,

00:38:23.380 for example, but also because things like plastic have replaced things like wood, ivory,

00:38:28.340 and countless other materials.

00:38:31.040 So because of our ability to trade things over long distances, to create new things, to

00:38:35.860 develop substitute, and to replace things that came from the surface of the planet by resources

00:38:40.480 that came from underground, we were able to increase our number, improve our health, and

00:38:45.180 clean up our environment.

00:38:46.640 I tell you, Pierre, I wish I had you as a professor when I was in school because you say things so

00:38:52.580 clearly.

00:38:53.120 You remind me of two other thinkers.

00:38:56.780 One is Bjorn Lomborg, who's an environmentalist.

00:39:01.340 He calls himself the skeptical environmentalist.

00:39:03.380 And his main point is, what's the smartest, best way to fix things, not just panic?

00:39:08.100 And do you know Alex Epstein?

00:39:09.820 Yes.

00:39:10.820 He's a pro-energy, pro-oil activist who makes the moral case for fossil fuels.

00:39:15.880 And you remind me of, this is so important, you remind me of a clip.

00:39:23.940 Can I play one more Suzuki clip?

00:39:25.400 Just because you raised it in my mind.

00:39:28.360 David Suzuki was in Australia, and he was asked about drilling and fracking and things

00:39:33.040 like that.

00:39:33.780 And you make a great point that when we started to innovate and think and mining, mining was

00:39:41.460 so, it really changed.

00:39:45.140 It changed everything.

00:39:46.400 That's when people stopped starving because with coal, we were able to develop things like

00:39:51.300 the steam engine, but also to develop steel.

00:39:54.800 And out of that, out of the steam engine and steel came the railroad.

00:39:58.240 And the railroad and the steel steamship powered by coal were the two things that really put

00:40:02.780 an end to famine.

00:40:04.480 Up until the early 19th century, what would happen?

00:40:06.860 Well, people depended on local foods.

00:40:09.000 Well, from time to time, you would have a drought, you would have a flood, you might

00:40:12.980 have the Irish potato disease.

00:40:15.380 Two bad harvests in a row, you had a famine.

00:40:17.360 Well, what happened in the 19th century because of coal, because of steel?

00:40:20.920 Well, for the first time in human history, people are able to move large quantities of

00:40:24.800 food over long distances affordably.

00:40:27.560 So regions that have bumper crops can send their surplus to regions that are starving and

00:40:31.820 vice versa.

00:40:32.840 And it would have been impossible to put an end to famine without those innovations.

00:40:36.100 You know, I'm thinking about switching life from sort of 2D to 3D.

00:40:41.100 Like if you, for millennia, mankind lived just on the surface of the earth and digging a

00:40:46.600 little bit.

00:40:47.060 I mean, there was always some mining.

00:40:48.280 Yeah, some coal, some copper.

00:40:50.220 But when we could think 3D, but I just want to show you this clip, you just made me think

00:40:54.140 of it because I always laugh.

00:40:56.460 When Suzuki was presented with this, he said, we drilling hole deep underground, we don't know

00:41:02.060 what's down there.

00:41:02.900 I don't know, they could be like, you know, some goblins from Lord of the Rings.

00:41:07.520 Here, look at this clip.

00:41:08.400 This is Dave Suzuki on Australian Broadcasting ABC video clip.

00:41:13.780 Look at this.

00:41:14.620 Fracking is one of the dumbest technologies there is.

00:41:18.960 We have no idea what is under the ground.

00:41:22.760 You know, because we're an air-breathing landlubber living on the top skin of the planet, we think

00:41:30.300 out of sight there's nothing down there.

00:41:32.280 We have no idea what we're doing when we pump vast amounts of water down there.

00:41:36.980 We have no idea whether it'll end up contaminating our drinking water.

00:41:40.700 We don't know.

00:41:41.260 But we're just going to go down there and try to frack as much gas as we can get out of

00:41:47.560 the ground.

00:41:48.000 This is just, I think, crazy.

00:41:49.900 That clip makes me laugh every time because he's a supposed scientist who's basically

00:41:53.760 saying, we don't know what's down there.

00:41:55.560 It's unnatural to dig into the ground.

00:41:57.780 We've been digging into the ground for millennia, but it's only since the Industrial Revolution

00:42:01.800 that we've actually unlocked a fraction of a fraction of what's underground.

00:42:07.400 I think it's ingenuity plus freedom.

00:42:10.100 And they go together.

00:42:12.020 They go together.

00:42:12.380 I mean, there were creative people all throughout human history, but it was only with the emergence

00:42:16.280 of capitalism, the freedom that people were given to innovate and to earn a return on

00:42:20.840 their investment that you saw this explosion of creativity.

00:42:23.180 Well, you know, it's, I think of the medieval scheme or scam, whatever you want to call

00:42:29.660 of alchemy, to turn lead into gold because they're on the periodical table, they're next

00:42:34.160 to each other.

00:42:34.620 And it was always, you know, that's just alchemy, that doesn't exist.

00:42:38.220 But if you could ever solve that, you would be rich beyond Midas.

00:42:41.060 But we've done so much better than that.

00:42:42.700 We've turned carbon fuels into energy, into substitute products.

00:42:46.560 That was the real success of the United States.

00:42:47.820 Well, that's the alchemy.

00:42:48.600 And my point is, like, think of the oil sands and fracking.

00:42:52.080 Just give me one minute and then I'd love for you to respond.

00:42:54.240 I shouldn't even be talking at all in this interview because I'm hanging on your every

00:42:57.360 word.

00:42:57.840 But you're making me think of these things.

00:42:59.660 The oil sands.

00:43:01.140 You know, Aboriginal people knew the oil sands because some of them, they're exposed.

00:43:05.400 Like, they just use it to waterproof canoes.

00:43:07.240 Yes, indeed.

00:43:09.180 But for decades, we looked, you know, European settlers looked at the oil sands and said,

00:43:15.640 we can't use that.

00:43:16.620 It's oily sand.

00:43:17.820 But it was technology and freedom that turned worthless oily sand into a hundred billion

00:43:22.740 dollar project.

00:43:23.760 Same thing with fracking.

00:43:25.600 Shale is one of the most common sort of clay-like rocks in the world.

00:43:29.180 And there's teeny tiny little drops of natural gas or oil in it.

00:43:33.640 But how do you get it out of the sand?

00:43:35.820 And it really is a modern scientific alchemy to take something utterly useless, shale, and

00:43:44.700 figure out how to frack it to get the oil out.

00:43:46.420 And the gas that we actually created something from nothing far better than turning lead into

00:43:51.060 gold.

00:43:51.320 But that's only because we think of those as current challenges.

00:43:54.960 Even when the petroleum industry began in the late 1850s in the United States, all people 1.00

00:43:59.600 had at the time were salt mining technology.

00:44:01.840 And they could not really go much deeper than 20 meters.

00:44:05.040 And we were very lucky in North America that you had some deposits in western Pennsylvania

00:44:09.400 where the oil seeped to the surface.

00:44:11.640 So people knew that there was oil there.

00:44:12.980 But at first, it could only go like 20 meters.

00:44:15.360 And I've been to that site in western Pennsylvania.

00:44:17.940 We got extremely lucky that people drilled there.

00:44:20.240 Apparently, Colonel Drake and his crew, it's the exact perfect spot for this.

00:44:25.020 But think of what we do today.

00:44:26.300 We think of conventional oil.

00:44:27.720 Well, if it's, I don't know, a few hundred meters underground and it's easy to reach.

00:44:31.540 Well, it wasn't.

00:44:32.940 I mean, reaching oil that was 100 meters below ground a century and a half ago was even more

00:44:38.600 challenging than creating value out of the oil sands today.

00:44:41.160 So the easy oil of each generation was always the challenge of the previous one.

00:44:45.740 And we've been building on our knowledge for a century and a half.

00:44:49.260 And it might be that 50 years from now, people will remember the good old days of the oil

00:44:54.000 sands, how easy it was.

00:44:55.340 Although we have enough for, what, 200 years at least or something.

00:44:59.260 You know, you remind me of Sir Isaac Newton who said, if I saw further, it's because I stood

00:45:03.960 on the shoulders of giants.

00:45:05.700 And that's it.

00:45:06.880 That's another, I mean, there's so many obvious differences between us.

00:45:10.260 And non-human biology.

00:45:12.900 It's grotesque that David Suzuki compares people to animals.

00:45:17.000 And just because I'm on the Suzuki theme, let me show you one more Suzuki clip.

00:45:21.820 This is where he actually compares people to maggots.

00:45:26.340 Take a look at this from the CBC.

00:45:28.020 I can't believe this man has had 40 years on a public broadcaster.

00:45:31.600 Take a look at this.

00:45:32.140 One thing that I've gotten off on lately is that basically, you know, I study fruit flies.

00:45:38.360 And I suddenly realized that basically we're all fruit flies.

00:45:43.020 Like, you know, you're born as an egg and you live in that egg environment and your parents

00:45:48.800 kind of cut out all the external crap that comes in and protect you and nourish you and

00:45:52.500 clothe you and all that.

00:45:53.400 It's a very nice little egg and it's comfortable.

00:45:55.960 But at some point you hatch out and start crawling around and eating stuff on your own.

00:46:00.620 You start reading, you start looking at the tube, you start doing all sorts of things.

00:46:03.980 You hatch out as a maggot.

00:46:05.240 And a maggot, a maggot can now crawl around.

00:46:10.140 It's got two dimensions and it can ingest food at its will and it defecates all over the

00:46:16.340 environment.

00:46:17.200 And some other smaller maggots can even eat your defecation and get some nourishment out

00:46:21.860 of it.

00:46:22.760 And, you know, you grow as you eat more nourishment and you molt, you become a second level maggot,

00:46:30.020 you know, a bigger maggot, even looks different.

00:46:32.640 And the bigger you get, the more people you can, or more maggots you can crush with your

00:46:36.900 weight.

00:46:39.720 Yeah, I mean, most people in the world are content to stay as first or second level maggots.

00:46:44.600 And they establish their own little area and they crawl around there and that's fine.

00:46:49.640 And the guys that become 10th level maggots are really big wheels.

00:46:53.980 Just, just so gross.

00:46:56.280 But, um, and he's still saying things like that, which is amazing.

00:46:59.340 Yeah.

00:46:59.460 And you see one chapter in the book is, uh, that was written by my co-author Joanna Shermak

00:47:03.720 is simply, well, why is it that someone like David Suzuki can't see what's it right in

00:47:08.020 front of his eyes?

00:47:08.880 Well, because there's a lot of financial incentives for him to start to that.

00:47:11.720 And Presti.

00:47:12.760 Yeah.

00:47:13.100 The Suzuki Foundation is a multi, multi-million dollar lobby group.

00:47:15.900 But, um, you know, the, the innovation, the, the accumulation of, we build on knowledge

00:47:24.800 of the past.

00:47:25.580 I don't know.

00:47:26.100 You, I find what you're saying very inspiring.

00:47:28.740 Let's get back to the book a little bit.

00:47:30.540 I mean, it's, it's footnote, meticulously footnoted, hundreds and hundreds of footnotes.

00:47:35.940 But it's meant to be readable.

00:47:36.960 Don't scare readers.

00:47:37.920 I was going to say, I was, I mean, I haven't read through it in depth, but I thumbed through

00:47:40.400 it, it's, uh, it's accessible.

00:47:44.000 Yes.

00:47:45.060 What was your reason for writing it?

00:47:47.700 Well, it was, you mentioned it to some extent.

00:47:50.180 It's, uh, a few years ago was the 25th anniversary of the bet between optimistic, or in my opinion,

00:47:56.180 realistic economist Julian Simon and eco-catastrophist biologist Paul Ehrlich.

00:48:01.000 And for your viewers who don't know about it, Ehrlich came on the scene in 1968 with the original

00:48:07.660 population bomb, just population bomb.

00:48:09.940 Yeah.

00:48:10.040 And, uh, went on the, well, I don't know, we would tell the kids about Johnny Carson

00:48:14.380 today.

00:48:14.800 Well, let's say Jimmy Fallon and all those shows.

00:48:16.780 He was on the main late night show over 20 times in the early 1970s and always spewing

00:48:22.380 that catastrophe was around the, uh, around the corner.

00:48:25.060 We were about to experience worldwide famine.

00:48:28.480 And Julian Simon, who had looked at the data, who began as a population catastrophe, said,

00:48:33.000 well, this is nonsense.

00:48:34.040 You know, it's weird.

00:48:34.800 I'm not, still not sure why, but the more of us there is, the more resources we have, the

00:48:39.320 longer we live.

00:48:40.120 Yeah.

00:48:40.580 And so at one point, uh, Simon, who originally came from marketing, thought of a way to, uh,

00:48:46.000 get Ehrlich to put up or shut up. 0.69

00:48:47.700 And he says, well, if you believe in your ideas so much, I'll, uh, here's a, here's a wager

00:48:52.840 for you.

00:48:53.260 Select five materials of your own choosing of the time period that you want over a year.

00:48:58.700 If the price goes up, it will be a sign that the resource becomes more scarce.

00:49:02.880 Uh, I will pay you the difference.

00:49:04.440 If the price goes down, uh, well, it will be a proof that resources are becoming more

00:49:09.020 abundant, despite the fact that there's more of us and that we're wealthier.

00:49:12.480 So it's not said that often enough.

00:49:14.420 Ehrlich chose the materials and chose the time period.

00:49:17.420 So, uh, five materials, the ones that he was sure, and he talked to a lot of people, you

00:49:21.300 know, what are the metals or minerals that are the most likely to become scarce?

00:49:25.120 And what would be a good time period?

00:49:26.540 10 years.

00:49:27.580 So Simon said, sure.

00:49:28.680 Okay, whatever.

00:49:29.560 And, uh, again, people don't remember that often enough when they say Simon got lucky.

00:49:33.360 He gave all the cards to Ehrlich, said whatever material, whatever time period.

00:49:37.440 And after 10 years, well, you know, the world population had gone up by over 800 million

00:49:41.860 people.

00:49:42.360 The world had become wealthier and the price of every resource had gone down and sometimes

00:49:47.380 significantly.

00:49:48.840 So Ehrlich had to send him a check.

00:49:51.780 And ever since then, well, people have looked and said, well, if we had, if Ehrlich had selected

00:49:56.360 a different time period or different materials, he might have won.

00:49:59.860 But the point I wanted to make on the 25th anniversary of the bet a few years ago was to

00:50:04.520 say, well, remember the original conditions and look at all the resources, look at any significant

00:50:10.100 time period over time.

00:50:11.720 And Simon would have been the winner.

00:50:13.180 Of course, you've got commodity cycles.

00:50:14.740 So sometimes, you know, prices go up, they go down.

00:50:16.640 But the trend in the long run is unmistakable.

00:50:19.680 And in fact, by choosing the most precious ones, if he had done so, he would, he misunderstood

00:50:25.880 that human nature, the left would call it greed. 0.82

00:50:29.680 Yes.

00:50:30.480 Well, if something's very valuable, people are going to invest to find more of it.

00:50:33.300 Exactly.

00:50:33.700 And that's the thing that they never understood.

00:50:35.400 Again, we're not like other animals.

00:50:36.660 If a resource becomes more scarce, more valuable, if its price goes up, well, we become more

00:50:41.660 efficient in the way we use it.

00:50:43.520 We look for more of it and we develop substitutes.

00:50:46.660 And all three of those things would reduce the price.

00:50:49.160 Yes.

00:50:49.440 And that's...

00:50:50.380 It'd make resources more abundant at the same time.

00:50:52.320 You know, one of the things when I wrote my book, Ethical Oil, almost a decade ago,

00:50:56.820 I mean, I sort of knew it, but I didn't know it till I...

00:50:59.100 How is it possible when the world burns 100 million barrels of oil every single day?

00:51:06.340 Yes.

00:51:07.080 That is a lot of oil.

00:51:07.920 It is a lot of oil.

00:51:08.960 Every day.

00:51:09.360 And then we do it again tomorrow.

00:51:10.400 Yes.

00:51:10.780 And then again.

00:51:11.400 So you're burning 100 million barrels every day.

00:51:15.400 So how is it that global reserves aren't shrinking?

00:51:19.780 How is it...

00:51:20.940 And the answer is because a reserve is something that we discover and find and it's economic.

00:51:26.020 So we're hunting so much.

00:51:27.980 We're so curious or greedy.

00:51:30.280 Yes.

00:51:30.660 Or whatever you want to say, whatever your word, whatever it is, it's in human nature.

00:51:34.420 And so we either find it or we develop the technology to unlock it in the oil sands.

00:51:39.000 And if you look at it again, remember 150 years ago when the oil industry began in the United States,

00:51:43.780 the first deposit was reached at about 21 meters underground.

00:51:47.780 And, you know, there was a given price for a barrel at the time.

00:51:50.720 Well, today you do something like, you know, you go five kilometers offshore, let's say,

00:51:54.660 two kilometers underwater, then another two kilometers down, then another four kilometers sideways.

00:51:59.740 And the price of extracting that oil, if you factor in inflation, is the same as it was 150 years ago to extract it for 20 meters.

00:52:06.860 You know, that's very encouraging.

00:52:09.040 And it's a rebuttal to all the...

00:52:14.940 Well, it's a rebuttal because we also address the issue of climate change because CO2 emissions are the one things that have not gone down.

00:52:21.800 And the argument that we make in the book is that, okay, well, people like Suzuki cannot argue that we're becoming sicker or, you know, less healthy than in the past.

00:52:31.400 If nothing else, well, poor people are fat in advanced economies.

00:52:34.680 We have these kinds of problems.

00:52:36.020 I would rather have that over famine, trust me.

00:52:38.240 And then they cannot say that our air is getting dirtier.

00:52:41.300 It isn't.

00:52:42.080 They cannot say our water is getting dirtier.

00:52:44.040 They cannot say that in advanced economies, forests are not coming back.

00:52:47.100 What is left?

00:52:48.340 Well, CO2 emissions.

00:52:49.860 These are the one things when you burn carbon fuels, well, you release more CO2 in the atmosphere.

00:52:55.280 Now, you could see, and a lot of plant scientists were actually saying that in the late 1980s, when the original, well, when global warming was put at the top of the agenda.

00:53:04.560 I mean, some people had been talking about that since the 50s, but it was really pushed forward at the turn of the 1980s and then became more popular in the late 1990s.

00:53:13.520 A lot of plant scientists at the time were saying, well, that's great.

00:53:16.100 You know, more plant food, the world will be even greener.

00:53:18.880 But the point that we make in the book is that, well, as every other environmental threat or scare sort of disappeared, we were left with CO2 emissions.

00:53:27.680 And I think this is why people are obsessed about it today, because we've basically solved all our other pressing problems in advanced economies.

00:53:34.560 But then all that you have are essentially the results of scenarios, computer scenarios.

00:53:40.300 And the point that we make in the book, and you referred to Lombard before, and I'm glad that you saw it, because he's been able to communicate that information very effectively.

00:53:47.620 You cannot do any cost-benefit analysis that factors in all the benefits that you get from carbon fuels with the potential alleged risk of global warming and not come up on the side of saying, well, we cannot take the benefits from carbon fuels for granted.

00:54:02.620 And, you know, you can live well.

00:54:03.720 I mean, you're from Alberta, so you can live well in Edmonton.

00:54:06.240 I know a lot of your international viewers might not understand that.

00:54:09.120 You can live well in Singapore.

00:54:10.360 Or as long as people are wealthy and they have affordable and reliable energy, we can add up to anything.

00:54:16.380 Very encouraging.

00:54:17.820 It's great to talk with you.

00:54:19.140 You are so clear.

00:54:21.080 I hope less time will pass before we have you back on the show.

00:54:25.220 We've had you on a few times.

00:54:26.540 Yes.

00:54:26.840 And you're an excellent communicator.

00:54:29.000 And I say again, I sort of wish I had someone when I was in college who was speaking so plainly.

00:54:35.980 Yes.

00:54:36.200 And I would remark to our viewers how jargon-free your communication is here compared to your average academic.

00:54:43.740 And how the opposite of the grievance studies.

00:54:46.760 This is a celebration of human creativity, really.

00:54:50.340 The book is called Population Bombed.

00:54:52.720 We've been talking with Pierre Durochet, who is the co-author of the book, along with Joanna Cermak.

00:54:58.160 He's a professor at the University of Toronto.

00:55:00.220 You can go to the website populationbombed.com to learn more about it.

00:55:04.780 And we'll put an Amazon link underneath the video, too.

00:55:08.560 Pierre, great to have you in the studio.

00:55:09.560 Nice.

00:55:09.780 Thanks very much.

00:55:10.720 All right.

00:55:11.100 Stay with us.

00:55:12.020 More ahead on The Rebel.

00:55:24.320 Hey, welcome back to my monologue Friday about a CBC journalist comparing Omar Khadr to just a rebellious teen Jato, right? 0.93

00:55:33.040 Khadr wants to change the deal.

00:55:34.940 So Canada should change it.

00:55:36.640 Freeze all assets.

00:55:38.680 Well, look, the money is the least of it.

00:55:41.120 Yeah, it's outrageous and scandalous.

00:55:42.860 He got $10.5 million.

00:55:44.900 But it's, I mean, the public apology, I think, is far worse.

00:55:48.160 And it's the fact that he's at liberty and marauding about.

00:55:51.560 And the fact that he has been whitewashed.

00:55:55.920 He's this victim as opposed to a murderer and a terrorist and al-Qaeda.

00:56:00.880 That's far more concerning to me than just the money.

00:56:05.680 Nickname Libertarian45 writes, for years, CBC refused to show a more modern picture of Khadr.

00:56:12.060 They always showed this cutesy young teen picture, even though he was in court with a bushy beard.

00:56:17.920 The CBC deliberately wanted us to think of him as a kid.

00:56:21.240 Oh, yeah.

00:56:22.480 And by the way, that very young picture of him wasn't even his picture when he was captured in Afghanistan.

00:56:29.700 That was the picture his mom circulated to the media.

00:56:32.520 It was like an elementary school picture of him.

00:56:35.560 And any journalist who reproduced that was just trafficking in propaganda, which is really what the government journalists at the CBC do.

00:56:44.540 And the Toronto Star is just as bad.

00:56:47.180 A lot of the media is just as bad.

00:56:48.540 Can you name a single reporter?

00:56:49.920 There's a few columnists, especially the Sun Chain, who can't stomach over Khadr.

00:56:54.040 But can you name one reporter, one reporter who isn't a full-time propagandist for him?

00:56:59.880 I can't.

00:57:01.700 On my interview with Alan Bokhari, Luke writes,

00:57:05.660 The next step from this, of course, is to implant you with a chip that is attached to your rating.

00:57:10.180 Everything will be activated by your chip.

00:57:11.820 And if you are bad, even the toilets won't flush for you.

00:57:15.200 Well, don't laugh.

00:57:18.040 I think we're getting there.

00:57:19.480 I see news from time to time about implantable chips.

00:57:23.140 But, you know, that Apple Watch.

00:57:26.240 I don't have one.

00:57:27.040 I was looking at some specs for it.

00:57:30.420 It knows everything about you.

00:57:32.140 It knows your heart rate.

00:57:33.600 It knows how many steps you've taken.

00:57:35.260 It knows precisely where you are.

00:57:38.880 It knows more about you than your wife or husband does.

00:57:43.140 And that's what I always say about Facebook.

00:57:45.320 I mean, I don't use Facebook a lot.

00:57:48.060 But Facebook knows more about you than you know about yourself.

00:57:52.520 And you would say, well, how can that possibly be?

00:57:54.860 How can anyone know more about me than I know about myself?

00:57:58.060 Well, that's the thing.

00:57:58.880 When you think you're alone, you're not.

00:58:01.080 Because Facebook is logging everything you do.

00:58:03.780 And whereas you forget what you looked at a year ago, you forget what you searched for a year ago.

00:58:10.940 You forget what you mentioned in a brief message to someone five years ago.

00:58:15.740 Facebook never forgets.

00:58:17.440 And you combine everything you've ever written, everything you've ever looked at, and maybe now add in your medical deets from the Apple Watch.

00:58:25.960 And your GPS tracker on your phone, where you go all the time.

00:58:30.500 And then as soon as it can cross-reference with any other source of data on you, your banking, what Statistics Canada is out for, your family members, your friends, all of a sudden there is nowhere to hide.

00:58:45.000 It's all linked together.

00:58:47.360 So, yeah.

00:58:48.820 I think we are effectively there with the implantable chip.

00:58:53.280 The funny thing is, you don't need to implant it in people.

00:58:56.820 They happily carry it around with them.

00:59:00.000 Sleep with it in their bed.

00:59:01.540 Take it into the bathroom.

00:59:02.960 The cell phone is us implanting the chip into ourselves.

00:59:07.340 Wouldn't you agree with that?

00:59:08.840 Or do you think I'm overstating it?

00:59:10.840 Let me say that my Apple phone, once a week it gives me a report on the number of hours a week I spend on my phone.

00:59:19.320 I don't know if you have an Apple phone.

00:59:20.540 It would do the same for you.

00:59:21.960 Or if Andrew, for instance.

00:59:23.080 It is terrifying for me to see how many hours I'm looking at that thing.

00:59:27.660 And, yeah, almost as many as if it were a chip implanted in it.

00:59:35.920 On that dreary note, let me end the show.

00:59:38.540 Thanks for watching today on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters.

00:59:42.700 Good night and keep fighting for freedom.

00:59:57.660 Good night and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - December 18, 2018

New polls show the only Canadians who love Justin Trudeau are the media

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