Rebel News Podcast - Off The Cuff Declassified - John Cardillo - June 5⧸2018

00:00:00.000 Today on Off the Cuff Declassified, Special Counsel Robert Mueller accuses Paul Manafort of witness tampering.

00:00:06.660 We'll discuss. Legal experts differ on whether or not President Trump can pardon himself.

00:00:11.660 Law enforcement analyst Ben Maness joins me to discuss the opioid crisis and crime and how they relate to the growing homelessness problems in the United States.

00:00:21.300 And what would happen if Maxine Waters held a campaign event and no one showed? 0.80

00:00:25.460 Well, it did happen, and we're going to talk all about it.

00:00:30.000 Special Counsel Robert Mueller, a guy you know I don't trust, is now claiming that Paul Manafort engaged in witness tampering.

00:00:41.060 But others who have gone through the federal prosecution process, as defendants, are saying this is a common tactic.

00:00:48.060 One of them is a former police commissioner. I'm going to get to that in a moment.

00:00:51.500 This from a Thomson Reuters story, Manafort attempted tamper with potential witnesses, U.S. Special Counsel.

00:00:57.900 Mueller, of course, is investigating possible collusion links that don't exist.

00:01:02.780 Now, Mueller has indicted Manafort in federal courts in Virginia and D.C.

00:01:07.240 He's now claiming that Manafort tampered with witnesses.

00:01:11.360 Let me read you this from the Thomson Reuters story.

00:01:13.720 FBI Special Agent Brock Doman, in a declaration filed with Mueller's motion,

00:01:18.060 said Manafort had attempted to call text and send encrypted messages in February to two people from the, quote, Habsburg group.

00:01:27.900 End quote.

00:01:28.920 A firm he worked with to promote the interests of the Ukraine.

00:01:33.000 The FBI has documents and statements from the two people, as well as telephone records.

00:01:37.240 And documents were covered through a search of Manafort's iCloud account,

00:01:40.780 showing that Trump's former campaign manager attempted communication while he was out on bail,

00:01:45.920 according to Doman, the FBI agent.

00:01:47.440 Now, Mueller urged the judge, Amy Berman Jackson, to promptly hold a hearing to decide whether or not Manafort should remain out on bail

00:02:08.220 or if he should be what's called remanded and start serving jail time now, pending trial, so he can't communicate with people.

00:02:15.900 Now, seems straightforward if you trust Mueller.

00:02:19.720 I don't.

00:02:21.100 So Bernie Kerik, Bernard Kerik, who was the former police commissioner of New York City.

00:02:25.080 I know Bernie Kerik.

00:02:26.140 Bernie Kerik, at his own time in federal prison, many people feel unjustly,

00:02:29.880 because he was tapped back after 9-11.

00:02:33.200 He was the police commissioner on 9-11.

00:02:35.320 Prior to that, of NYPD.

00:02:37.180 Prior to that, he'd have been the New York City Corrections Commissioner.

00:02:39.260 He ran the jails.

00:02:40.660 And when he was being considered for Homeland Security Secretary,

00:02:44.980 during his background check,

00:02:47.140 certain things pop up that he might have had unscrupulous dealings with contractors,

00:02:51.780 and they unfairly gave him free work on his home due to his role as police commissioner in New York City.

00:02:59.220 That was one of these sets of charges.

00:03:01.260 But many people feel that Kerik was railroaded.

00:03:04.440 That did not rise to criminality.

00:03:06.220 So Kerik tweeted.

00:03:09.160 For those about this, he took a quote tweet of a Fox News report on,

00:03:16.000 sorry, I just read you from Thomson Reuters,

00:03:17.660 that Mueller is claiming Manafort witnessed, Tamper.

00:03:19.820 And Bernie Kerik wrote on Twitter.

00:03:23.100 For those ignorant of DOJ tactics, 0.61

00:03:25.460 this maneuver is to scare to death any Manafort friends or supporters 0.63

00:03:29.620 that would think of assisting in his defense

00:03:32.340 and mentally torture him with solitary confinement

00:03:36.760 in order to force him to take a plea and cooperate.

00:03:40.900 Hashtag prosecutorial misconduct.

00:03:44.200 Now, that's a pretty heavy allegation level against Mueller,

00:03:48.080 but it seems to make sense.

00:03:50.480 No one said that Manafort isn't allowed to communicate with people while he's out on bail.

00:03:55.600 No one said Manafort can't speak to people that he formerly worked with.

00:03:59.960 That's not a condition of your bail.

00:04:04.300 Well, I've got a friend who I've mentioned and they were subsequent and they won on appeal

00:04:09.320 during Obama's war on wealth.

00:04:11.320 They were an older couple who did very well on Wall Street.

00:04:14.100 They were both sentenced to federal prison for a couple of years.

00:04:17.040 Minor, minor, minor white collar crime issues.

00:04:19.900 An appeals court looked at the way the government acted.

00:04:22.080 It was one of the most scathing rebukes I've ever seen against the government from a federal appeals court

00:04:28.600 in both vacating and overturning their convictions, dismissing the charges with prejudice

00:04:35.740 and essentially saying to the government as a federal court,

00:04:39.720 we're embarrassed at how you acted in this case.

00:04:43.160 Essentially seize millions of dollars of these people's assets for what amounted to a clerical error

00:04:47.400 on one form related to a $150,000 financial transaction.

00:04:53.280 In this case with my friends, the government claimed they were one of the elements.

00:04:58.200 One day I'll do the whole case.

00:04:59.680 Their lawyers are almost ready to have them come on air with me because it's so egregious.

00:05:03.600 In one case, they claimed that a company they were investing into

00:05:08.020 and that the investors in their fund were investing into didn't exist.

00:05:11.860 That it was a Ponzi scheme.

00:05:13.020 This company made a certain type of hardware.

00:05:15.740 My friends' attorneys showed a video of the factory.

00:05:20.820 Showed a video of the pieces of hardware on shelves at stores.

00:05:24.960 It showed that the company not only existed, that people were employed there,

00:05:28.140 that they made these items, that these items were shipped to big box retailers,

00:05:33.500 that they existed.

00:05:34.540 The company was profitable.

00:05:35.780 The investors, by the way, the investors were saying,

00:05:39.700 we love this company.

00:05:40.640 We're making money with this company.

00:05:42.340 We've been to the factory.

00:05:43.120 We see the products at our local hardware store.

00:05:46.340 We have no problem with this.

00:05:47.960 We've gotten our dividend checks, wanted out of the investment.

00:05:50.820 We got out of the investment.

00:05:52.140 The government didn't care.

00:05:53.160 They maintained this.

00:05:54.120 Even that judge in the trial laughed at the government and essentially told the jury to

00:05:59.860 disregard that entire charge and that entire line of questioning.

00:06:02.880 So I've seen the government act very unscrupulously.

00:06:05.980 I kid you not.

00:06:07.020 The government claimed a company didn't exist that had a factory, was making items,

00:06:11.280 and those items were on store shelves.

00:06:13.040 And like I said, as soon as these friends of mine can go on camera, their lawyer's about

00:06:16.780 to let them.

00:06:17.240 They said about two months.

00:06:18.380 I'm going to do a couple of shows with them and they can walk you through exactly how they

00:06:23.440 were treated by the Obama Department of Justice.

00:06:25.660 It was an absolute travesty.

00:06:28.100 And for no other reason than I believe they were very wealthy, very conservative.

00:06:33.980 They were big money Republican donors and very charitable to PACs that fought Hillary and Obama

00:06:41.060 and to veterans causes.

00:06:42.860 Very, very conservative people, very religious people.

00:06:45.280 And the Obama Justice Department went after them as if they were members of the cartel.

00:06:49.320 It was one of the most tragic, disgusting cases I've ever seen as retribution against

00:06:56.060 conservatives and the overturn of their conviction on appeal proves the government never should

00:07:01.940 have gone after them in the first place.

00:07:03.420 That's a whole nother story.

00:07:04.720 But it ties into what Bernie Kerik is saying here.

00:07:08.080 Again, for those ignorant of DOJ tactics, this maneuver is to scare to death any Manafort 0.52

00:07:14.240 friends or supporters that would think of assisting in his defense and mentally torture him with

00:07:18.440 solitary confinement in order to force him to take a plea cooperate.

00:07:22.280 And why it makes sense?

00:07:23.120 Well, Manafort reached out to some old colleagues.

00:07:25.860 Now, the reason I brought up my friends is that while they were out on bail, they could

00:07:28.880 talk to whoever they wanted.

00:07:30.260 I would go to their house all the time.

00:07:31.580 They would throw parties.

00:07:32.520 They would have loads of friends over their house knowing they were going to federal prison.

00:07:35.860 Thank God it all worked out for them.

00:07:38.020 There's no rule that says you can't speak to people you formerly worked with, that you're

00:07:41.220 friends with.

00:07:42.940 So it does appear that what Mueller is doing is trying to tell everybody who knows Manafort,

00:07:48.440 don't go near him.

00:07:49.280 He's toxic. 0.98

00:07:50.160 He's kryptonite.

00:07:51.060 Because if he calls you even to say, hey, wish your wife a happy birthday, we might see

00:07:56.320 it as witness tampering and you're going to be in trouble as well.

00:07:59.120 So you isolate Manafort, right? 0.99

00:08:01.360 You kill all of his supporters.

00:08:03.380 You terrorize and terrify anybody that might come into court to testify on his behalf. 0.91

00:08:09.120 Then you ask the judge to pull his bail, like Carrick says.

00:08:13.880 And when he gets to prison, you put him in.

00:08:16.580 Mueller and Weissman are bad guys.

00:08:19.120 They probably request that he go to one of the most vile, brutal facilities where his lawyers

00:08:24.120 are going to ask for administrative segregation, where he's going to be locked down 23 hours

00:08:27.560 a day with no contact with anybody.

00:08:29.060 And it's going to mentally mess with the guy.

00:08:31.720 And he's going and they're going to say, well, yeah, we can keep going for years.

00:08:35.520 Take a plea and do two years in a minimum security facility where you get fresh air every day.

00:08:41.180 Not the way our system is supposed to work.

00:08:43.140 And I believe that's what Mueller is doing.

00:08:45.100 I do not.

00:08:45.800 I profile law enforcement.

00:08:47.540 I defend law enforcement.

00:08:48.840 To me, Mueller is not law enforcement. 0.74

00:08:51.120 He's a thug who's drunk on power, abusing what appears to be an unconstitutional appointment. 0.67

00:08:59.260 That's not a cop to me. 0.98

00:09:00.640 That's not law enforcement.

00:09:01.780 So we're going to keep an eye on this one.

00:09:03.420 Now, the other big question out there in this case is, can the president pardon himself?

00:09:08.560 Well, Alan Dershowitz, in an interview with Newsmax, said he doesn't know because it's

00:09:14.780 not something the framers of our constitution ever considered.

00:09:19.100 And so there really isn't established case law on this.

00:09:23.320 There really is an established precedent on this.

00:09:25.800 Giuliani and some people are saying he can.

00:09:29.000 Others are saying he cannot.

00:09:30.480 Dershowitz, a guy that I tend to listen to.

00:09:32.960 There are a few people I tend to listen to on legal matters.

00:09:35.960 Dershowitz is one.

00:09:36.700 But another who I give equal weight to Alan Dershowitz, Andrew McCarthy, feels a little

00:09:41.800 bit differently.

00:09:42.380 So Dershowitz says, well, we don't know if the president can pardon himself.

00:09:46.360 Andrew McCarthy says in his piece at National Review yesterday, definitively, Andy says,

00:09:53.340 yes, the president may pardon himself.

00:09:57.400 Andrew McCarthy said, but he shouldn't be talking about it.

00:10:00.000 McCarthy's definitive.

00:10:00.920 The headline is, yes, the president may pardon himself.

00:10:04.440 And McCarthy writes, as he often does, President Trump hijacked the news cycle with a Monday

00:10:09.120 morning tweet.

00:10:10.460 This one, excuse me, observing that, quote, numerous legal scholars agree that, quote, I

00:10:14.700 have the absolute right to pardon, capital letters, myself.

00:10:18.580 President elaborates that he has done nothing wrong and thus there is nothing to pardon.

00:10:23.540 But one might ask, why bring it up?

00:10:25.100 And McCarthy said it's a good question.

00:10:26.440 In any event, McCarthy writes, if we must discuss the matter, then, yes, the Constitution empowers

00:10:35.140 the president to pardon himself.

00:10:38.520 Like any other power, the pardon power may be abused.

00:10:42.640 And if Congress finds a president's self-pardon, finds a president's self-pardon, sufficiently

00:10:46.700 abusive, it may impeach and remove the president, but that would not vitiate, would not invalidate

00:10:57.040 the pardon.

00:10:59.280 It would be impossible to prosecute the president on whichever crimes he has committed, that he

00:11:04.060 pardoned himself.

00:11:05.980 Now, Andrew McCarthy wrote in a column for PGA Media last year, this, quote, the pardon

00:11:12.380 question is factually premature in the sense there is no allegation or indication that the

00:11:15.680 president or those close to him have committed a crime.

00:11:18.480 It is not, however, legally premature.

00:11:20.280 There need not be a formal criminal charge for a president issues of pardon.

00:11:23.940 After President Nixon resigned, President Ford pardoned him, even though he had not been

00:11:29.620 indicted.

00:11:30.720 President Lincoln mass pardoned Confederate soldiers and sympathizers, and President Carter

00:11:36.160 mass pardoned Vietnam draft evaders.

00:11:39.900 Thus, the fact that special counsel Mueller has not and may never file criminal charges,

00:11:45.680 would not prevent President Trump from issuing pardons, including a pardon for himself.

00:11:52.240 Yes.

00:11:53.480 And that's McCarthy's decision.

00:11:56.580 Now, McCarthy goes on to say, for what it's worth, I believe the president and his legal

00:12:00.340 team are making a strategic mistake in talking about how expansive the pardon power is.

00:12:04.140 I agree with Andrew McCarthy here and about how the president's control over the executive

00:12:09.960 branch renders it constitutionally dubious that he can obstruct justice in the sense of

00:12:15.600 impeding investigators, subordinate executive officials who answer to the president.

00:12:20.060 He says, I think I understand what they're trying to do.

00:12:22.940 They want credit for cooperating with Mueller's probe, especially given that the president

00:12:26.900 prudently is declining to be interviewed by the special counsel.

00:12:29.580 So they are saying, look, quote, look how much we've done here to support this investigation

00:12:33.520 and let it proceed, even though the president did not be indicted and has sweeping power to

00:12:39.020 end the probe.

00:12:39.500 But McCarthy, again, and I think very accurately notes that people aren't focused on Trump's

00:12:46.440 cooperation.

00:12:48.020 They're focused on the claims of power, and he calls them the extravagant claims of power.

00:12:54.080 And he goes on to say, even if those claims are well supported, they are unnecessary and

00:12:59.180 they make people wary.

00:13:00.120 And I agree with that.

00:13:01.440 I like what Giuliani did.

00:13:03.780 I like what Giuliani said.

00:13:06.200 But now it's time to leave it alone.

00:13:08.380 You said it.

00:13:09.500 You've stuck, you know, your nose in Mueller's face.

00:13:11.820 You've thumbed your nose at him.

00:13:13.640 We get it now.

00:13:15.040 Now poking the bear is going to prolong Mueller's investigation.

00:13:18.820 And now I'm thinking not through my defense of the administration lens, but through the

00:13:23.260 midterm.

00:13:23.980 We don't need Mueller flow dripping, flow leaking, damning information on Republicans and on the

00:13:30.940 administration and the midterms.

00:13:33.520 But the. 0.80

00:13:36.680 But McCarthy's piece, you know, really.

00:13:39.060 I haven't said anybody that has been as prolific on this issue as Andy McCarthy.

00:13:45.120 One of the others who's done a great job at analyzing the overarching situation is Byron

00:13:48.760 York.

00:13:49.220 But but in terms of the legal analysis of the Mueller investigation, the FBI's misdeeds,

00:13:54.740 DOJ's misdeeds.

00:13:55.620 Really, nobody has done a better, more objective, more more critical and accurate, critical analysis

00:14:02.600 than Andy McCarthy over at National Review.

00:14:04.920 So McCarthy ends the piece by saying similarly on the facts, as we understand the Mueller has

00:14:09.820 an insufficient basis to demand that the president submit the questioning.

00:14:14.740 Wow.

00:14:16.600 There's special.

00:14:17.120 The special counsel does not appear to have evidence implicating Trump in a serious crime,

00:14:21.420 nor can he show that to prove some criminal case.

00:14:24.820 He needs evidence that only Trump is in a position to provide.

00:14:29.700 Consequently, there is no need to get into whether hypothetically a prosecutor would compel a president

00:14:36.120 to testify if the president were implicated in a crime and possessed evidence the prosecutor needed

00:14:40.920 to prove the case.

00:14:42.720 What McCarthy's saying is the the argument on the left is Trump might have information that

00:14:48.880 Mueller needs to put other people in jail.

00:14:51.140 McCarthy's contention accurately is can't look at it like that.

00:14:55.760 The government needs to show that they know that Trump definitively has that information.

00:15:00.320 It can't be a fishing expedition.

00:15:02.420 They haven't shown that Trump has that info.

00:15:06.640 They haven't even shown that there's somebody particular they're looking at that Trump could

00:15:11.540 shed light on.

00:15:12.760 Again, a big fishing expedition.

00:15:14.960 The government cannot compel the president to testify in a fishing expedition.

00:15:18.680 Therefore, Mueller has no grounds to compel any testimony from Trump verbal over the phone

00:15:25.900 via Skype, written, sitting in person, none.

00:15:30.020 And I think the president of the United States is making the exact right decision by ignoring

00:15:35.080 Mueller's demands, by refusing to testify.

00:15:38.880 What's Mueller going to do?

00:15:41.560 He's going to get in a showdown with the president of the United States, whose popularity is hanging

00:15:45.300 around 50 percent.

00:15:46.320 It's probably high in the high 60s, but around 50 because of 95 percent news coverage.

00:15:51.720 He's going to go after a president who sees unemployment at record lows of 3.8 percent

00:15:56.140 and black unemployment at a record low of 5.9 percent, down from 6.6 percent, down nearly

00:16:03.140 a full point, 0.7.

00:16:05.000 In only a month, in only a month, he's going to go after that president.

00:16:10.100 He's going to go after the president that's making our economy sore. 0.99

00:16:13.700 The president that's got North Korea begging for a meeting.

00:16:16.340 The president that took out ISIS.

00:16:17.540 The president that's neutralizing Iran.

00:16:21.120 The president that has Bashar al-Assad in Syria terrified.

00:16:24.280 The president who's making a dent in illegal immigration.

00:16:27.820 He's going to really want a showdown with this.

00:16:30.520 I don't think so.

00:16:31.580 I don't think Mueller wants that.

00:16:33.300 It's one Mueller knows he can't win.

00:16:35.100 But what Mueller can do is he can slow drip out leaks to damage other Republicans in the

00:16:40.760 midterm.

00:16:41.680 He does that.

00:16:43.440 And Democrats take the House and they vote to impeach Trump in the House.

00:16:47.160 He'll never be removed in the Senate.

00:16:49.540 Then Mueller is given credibility.

00:16:51.880 And in history, the history books, Mueller will get the credit for leading to the impeachment,

00:16:57.000 for being the special counsel that led to the impeachment of Donald Trump.

00:17:00.420 Never mind that it was all rigged politically.

00:17:02.640 And that's what I believe Mueller wants.

00:17:04.940 He knows he has nothing criminal.

00:17:06.720 He knows he can't indict anybody.

00:17:08.220 He knows he's never going to get the president on anything criminal because Trump didn't do

00:17:10.640 anything wrong.

00:17:11.740 But Mueller wants his scalp in a different way, impeachment.

00:17:13.860 And if he can damage Trump and damage Republicans badly enough to have to give Democrats the

00:17:18.620 House, Mueller gets his impeachment.

00:17:21.040 The history books say due to special counsel Robert Mueller, Donald Trump was impeached and

00:17:25.820 Mueller goes down in history as one of these special counsels that got his man.

00:17:30.060 And to me, that is the most perverse, perverse perversion, let me call it one of the most

00:17:41.340 disgraceful perversions I've ever seen of the American criminal justice system.

00:17:45.940 I often analyze criminal justice situations on the show, but one underlying problem for

00:18:02.440 many, many years has been homelessness.

00:18:03.900 And we're now seeing a spike in the levels of homelessness in cities, residents in areas

00:18:09.520 that have traditionally been liberal.

00:18:10.680 Residents that have been in support of homeless encampments are now doing a 180 and pushing

00:18:16.140 back against them.

00:18:17.060 I had my own experience with a homeless encampment in Fort Lauderdale, where I live.

00:18:21.960 Joining me is Ben Mattis.

00:18:24.140 Ben is a law enforcement expert.

00:18:25.660 He's an analyst.

00:18:26.760 You've seen him on the show before.

00:18:28.180 Retired local and federal law enforcement.

00:18:30.740 And he's been studying this issue.

00:18:32.400 Ben, you and I were talking about this off air.

00:18:34.680 You sent me three news items of many.

00:18:37.920 It was very interesting because yesterday I was talking a little bit about mass exoduses

00:18:43.080 from cities like New York and the San Francisco Bay Area when they polled residents up in the

00:18:47.800 Bay Area as to why they wanted to leave.

00:18:49.860 And the interesting thing was 46% of residents wanted to leave the Bay Area.

00:18:54.020 Of those, around 75%, I forget if it was 74 or 76%, 75% wanted to leave California entirely.

00:19:01.520 The top three reasons were housing, cost of living, and homelessness crime.

00:19:08.100 So this is a top three issue.

00:19:11.140 And we're seeing it manifest in many cities.

00:19:13.600 In your home city of Philadelphia, you sent me a story from WPBI, mass eviction at Kensington

00:19:19.380 homeless encampments.

00:19:21.080 So basically, you've got these encampments of homeless.

00:19:23.320 They're living in tents.

00:19:24.420 I'll talk about what I saw in Fort Lauderdale.

00:19:25.960 Blew me away.

00:19:26.460 And now the city, now the residents in this very blue city are starting to say no more

00:19:31.400 and asking the police to remove these encampments.

00:19:33.600 Is that what's going on?

00:19:34.860 Well, the truth is, John, good morning.

00:19:37.200 The homeless situation in Philadelphia has metastasized like a cancer since the opioid crisis

00:19:42.840 and the epidemic has risen.

00:19:45.440 Heroin has always been an issue in neighborhoods that are traditionally called the river wards,

00:19:49.980 which is Kensington, Port Richmond, Juliana, Harrogate.

00:19:53.620 And the problem there is, you know, as the suburban opioid epidemic rose, people who had to switch

00:20:00.740 from Oxycontin and prescription drugs to street heroin, the mayor and the police commissioner

00:20:06.740 and the recently elected district attorney have kind of let the crime associated with addiction

00:20:13.560 go the way of, well, we don't believe in criminalizing addiction.

00:20:19.240 And the problem with that is when you decriminalize addiction, you ignore the crimes of the drug dealers who are supplying them.

00:20:27.120 And then what happens is you have a destination for homeless.

00:20:31.000 So what you're saying is that the big push to publicly decriminalize addiction has almost become a statement of permission

00:20:38.400 for the secondary crimes committed by addicts and dealers.

00:20:41.480 Right. Like a lot of the other national talking points we're seeing right now, there's been this push to kind of combine homeless,

00:20:49.600 the homeless problem with the addiction problem.

00:20:52.200 And we need to separate the homelessness issue in America with these illicit encampments that are really infringing on everyone's right

00:21:01.600 to live in a law abiding neighborhood.

00:21:04.020 We have taxpayers in a city that have seen their sixth annual tax increase, which is the problem if you look at the West Coast,

00:21:12.040 because their cost of living rises astronomically to the point where there are no million dollar, you know, under million dollar homes.

00:21:18.840 Hold on. That's a good place to transition to Seattle.

00:21:22.460 So we've seen these reports on the exorbitant prices of homes in the Seattle area due to companies like Microsoft and big tech firms.

00:21:29.820 They're tiny little dilapidated houses going for eight hundred thousand, a million bucks.

00:21:35.020 Seattle is a very, very liberal place.

00:21:38.380 Another story you and I discussed offline from King five, K.I.N.G. five in Seattle area.

00:21:44.800 Seattle tiny village plan gets pushed back from neighbors in South Lake Union.

00:21:49.000 And essentially this South Lake Union neighborhood in the city of Seattle was about to build a homeless village to address the problem.

00:21:56.060 It would be city owned property. It called for 54 new tiny homes to be built to the site.

00:22:02.800 But residents, these very liberal residents, ones that probably would excoriate a Republican for taking action on the homeless are saying things like, quote,

00:22:12.000 I will not safe walking. I will not feel safe walking my dog at night.

00:22:16.100 Well, we came into Seattle in 2016.

00:22:18.480 It was getting cold at the time, said a homeless person.

00:22:22.040 The homeless guy, Leo, says it saves lives.

00:22:25.460 The residents, these affluent Democrats, these affluent liberals are saying, but we won't feel safe. 0.93

00:22:32.260 Hypocrisy at its finest.

00:22:33.920 But what do you do if you're not going to let the city build a village to put the homeless somewhere and you don't want them to live in tents?

00:22:40.340 Where do they go? What do you do here? What's the what's the public safety and public health solution?

00:22:47.260 Yeah. And what happened was we've allowed because of the lack of checks and balances in these cities that are so far blue that they have literally no one watching them. 0.60

00:22:55.840 And they have no voter checks and balances because it's 80, 90 percent Democrat is we've created a true disservice to the addicts and the homeless by leaving them in the street.

00:23:05.000 Right. And we're investing in these encampments versus investing in bed space, treatments, you know, hospital space.

00:23:13.060 That's not what Seattle was doing. Seattle was going to build those tiny modular homes where they would get these people off the street, correct?

00:23:19.780 Seattle was going to basically put container and temporary shelter housing under the I-5 and the I-405 in the West Seattle Bridge, which is exactly what Philadelphia and Los Angeles have done.

00:23:31.320 If you look at Los Angeles, they were just creating a homeless encampment with hard walls and roofs.

00:23:36.140 It was no different than a tent. It was just more waterproof. It wasn't an animal solution.

00:23:40.580 They weren't regulating it the way if you look at our alma mater, New York City.

00:23:45.340 Right. You know, the Department of Homeless Services has very clear regulations as to how to operate a shelter.

00:23:51.720 And they have numerous, large, low income shelter buildings run by places like West Tabb throughout the city.

00:23:58.860 All right. So the crime, let's go to the crime element of this.

00:24:01.080 So the proponents of homeless encampments, the anarchists, the uber libertarians, the ones who say everybody should be able to put up a tent and live wherever they want.

00:24:10.140 And there's no crime. Don't equate homelessness with crime.

00:24:13.500 The common sense normals, people like you and I, people who work the street, know that there is a direct correlation.

00:24:20.320 Even if we could only say anecdotally, because the left wing academics refuse to study it formally, we know there's a correlation of homelessness and crime.

00:24:29.040 So what are some of the crimes these cities are are seeing?

00:24:31.880 What are these right? This woman who says she won't feel safe walking her dog at night as much as I think she's probably a hypocritical liberal. 1.00

00:24:37.880 I've got to agree with her, Ben. What kinds of crimes are we seeing? 0.96

00:24:41.640 We have problems here.

00:24:42.380 We have problems here under the train trestles because they use it for shelter, basically where you have if you've ever seen the show The Wire, we have Amsterdam in Philly right now.

00:24:54.160 And instead of it being one street, we're talking about 20 streets.

00:24:57.680 So you have open air heroin use, open air heroin dealing, people going to the bathroom in the street.

00:25:03.200 We have a public health crisis because there's no wastewater treatment in these areas.

00:25:06.660 We have prostitution. We have robbery. 0.91

00:25:08.600 We have rape. Actually, the rape has soared in these encampments since they've started. 0.99

00:25:13.020 So you have a situation where there are part one and regular felonies and those who want to decriminalize homelessness because back in like the Giuliani era, we used to, you know, take people off the street for aggressive panhandling.

00:25:25.220 That isn't the problem here anymore.

00:25:26.740 When you let them stay on the street, they have to find a way to eat and buy their heroin and survive.

00:25:34.540 And that often leads to ancillary crimes, which are making it completely unlivable for the taxpayer.

00:25:40.920 And in addition to all those violent crimes, those personal crimes you just spoke of, I'm sure the burglaries, the vehicle break-ins, the vandalisms, the criminal mischief, those have to be off the charts, no?

00:25:50.020 Off the charts.

00:25:50.740 So a very common thing that I'll see literally when I leave the house in an hour is, you know, there are people who steal the shopping carts.

00:25:59.720 We have a 95 construction project.

00:26:02.360 It's a multibillion-dollar rebuild I-95 in Philadelphia, and they're picking it clean daily.

00:26:08.660 And I'm not talking about scrap metal.

00:26:09.980 I'm talking about brand-new rebar, construction equipment, tools.

00:26:13.660 They break in.

00:26:14.480 They rob it clean.

00:26:15.300 The construction company builds PennDOT the next morning, and it's like this ever-ending cycle that's delaying the construction and costing taxpayers millions of dollars.

00:26:24.800 Wow.

00:26:25.320 Wow.

00:26:25.980 But what's being done?

00:26:27.160 Are we seeing positive?

00:26:29.320 So I'll tell you how shocked I was.

00:26:31.560 So I live in Fort Lauderdale, right?

00:26:33.040 Vacation destination.

00:26:34.140 You've been down.

00:26:34.820 We've gone out and had to shoot.

00:26:36.260 You were down here with your wife.

00:26:37.740 So you think of Fort Lauderdale.

00:26:39.080 You think of a really nice city.

00:26:40.060 It's a newer city.

00:26:41.080 Our main drag, La Solis, is booming.

00:26:43.420 Great restaurants.

00:26:44.180 So I had to go down about seven, eight blocks off of that main La Solis drag, but a few blocks right off of Broward Boulevard and another main drag that on the east side has multimillion-dollar homes.

00:26:56.340 Where City Hall is located.

00:26:58.040 So exactly where you know the city.

00:27:00.460 Where City Hall is located, I had to go to the supervisor of elections office.

00:27:03.860 For a segment I was doing, I needed to pull some voter files for research.

00:27:07.380 I parked my car on one side of City Hall.

00:27:12.200 A fine, a couple of little pizzerias there, you know, lunch spots for people that are working.

00:27:16.500 I walked up the steps onto a park, a city-owned park near the big library.

00:27:20.460 And when I got up on about the third step, I honestly thought there was a concert or something.

00:27:25.140 People were sleeping out for tickets.

00:27:26.620 I don't go down to that part of the city.

00:27:28.340 I only live about two miles from it.

00:27:29.940 But I usually stop about half a mile short where the restaurants and bars are.

00:27:34.020 I never go down to the Civic Center.

00:27:35.820 I was shocked.

00:27:37.460 Shocked for a city the size of Fort Lauderdale.

00:27:39.980 Geographically large, but by population.

00:27:42.240 It's not a New York.

00:27:43.000 It's not a Philadelphia.

00:27:44.080 It's not a Chicago.

00:27:44.560 About 500,000.

00:27:46.300 Right?

00:27:46.620 A few hundred thousand people and the city limits proper.

00:27:50.320 Wow.

00:27:51.100 I mean hundreds and hundreds of homeless tents.

00:27:53.820 I was blown away by the level of density in this homeless encampment.

00:28:00.740 Now, I walk through the park.

00:28:02.260 I don't care.

00:28:02.820 I'm always armed.

00:28:03.620 Former street cop.

00:28:04.560 Whatever.

00:28:05.020 But I could understand why that college student, that mom who just wanted to take her kid into 1.00

00:28:09.960 that park with a stroller would never go anywhere near it.

00:28:13.380 Now they can't use these city services because I was watching the drug dealing.

00:28:17.220 I was watching the heroin addicts with the rubber on their arms kind of falling off the wall.

00:28:21.400 I was watching these guys with the gang tats that were thugs.

00:28:25.000 I mean, this is not a crowd of only, I'm sure within there are, people that are down on their luck

00:28:31.160 and in an unfortunate situation.

00:28:33.380 A lot of people in this crowd are there for exactly what you say because of crime,

00:28:36.680 because of drug activity.

00:28:38.380 And the city of Fort Lauderdale didn't even have so much as a rookie cop walking by.

00:28:44.480 It's as if they're ignoring it.

00:28:46.120 They don't want to know it's there.

00:28:46.960 It's gone even worse in a lot of cities like Los Angeles and Philadelphia.

00:28:53.320 Oh, especially Seattle.

00:28:54.500 I talk to the former guild president, the PBA president there all the time,

00:28:58.380 whereas the situation is they're being told not to enforce this.

00:29:03.560 The political leaders of the city have basically combined homelessness and addiction into a let's

00:29:10.820 help them model versus let's enforce them model, which I understand is empathetic and you want to

00:29:16.980 help people who are in need, but you're not helping them.

00:29:19.880 You're allowing them to continue a cycle of addiction and mental health issues that are making the matter

00:29:25.280 a lot worse.

00:29:26.660 Yeah, and let me say one thing for the audience as well.

00:29:29.780 I didn't walk, the things I saw, I wasn't walking through there at 1130 p.m.

00:29:34.700 on a Saturday night.

00:29:35.680 This was the middle, it's like 2.30 in the afternoon on a weekday.

00:29:39.660 I think the soup of elections closes at 4 p.m.

00:29:41.800 I was in there long before closing.

00:29:43.900 We're talking the middle of a weekday afternoon, bright sunlight, South Florida.

00:29:48.940 You might as well have been in Tompkins Square Park in New York City in 1980.

00:29:52.260 Oh, well, John, we have a real problem here because kids walk to school.

00:29:58.040 You know, there are like three Catholic schools and four public schools within walking distance

00:30:02.940 of any one of these given encampments in Kensington where the kids have no choice because they

00:30:08.540 have to cross under a train chuzzle to walk through this open-air drug market, which is

00:30:14.020 dangerous where rates occur.

00:30:15.720 Oh, terrible.

00:30:16.280 So what do you do?

00:30:17.080 What's the solution?

00:30:18.060 Well, let me back up.

00:30:18.640 Is it a policing solution?

00:30:21.800 Is it a political solution?

00:30:23.100 Is it a medical solution?

00:30:24.880 All of the above, I would imagine.

00:30:26.800 And what is it?

00:30:28.960 What do you do?

00:30:29.940 What is the solution?

00:30:31.120 Because I'll tell you, Fort Lauderdale, right?

00:30:32.580 We don't have a big PD.

00:30:34.220 We're a pretty comfortable city financially.

00:30:37.200 I mean, every city has its problems, but we've got a strong enough tax base, a lot of high

00:30:41.180 net worth, people living in Fort Lauderdale on the east side.

00:30:44.100 What does a city do?

00:30:45.860 You can't devote all your cops to this problem.

00:30:47.680 Well, cops in places like New York, L.A. and Philadelphia would kill if they have Fort

00:30:52.420 Lauderdale's troubles because Fort Lauderdale could literally process a prisoner or refer

00:30:57.660 them to a hospital within 45 minutes and be back on the street, whereas the average processing

00:31:02.980 time in a city like Philly is three hours.

00:31:05.320 So we have a situation right now where obviously we need to ramp up enforcement, stop telling

00:31:10.880 the cops to get hands off because wherever homeless, addicts and mental patients are,

00:31:16.180 ancillary crime like drug dealing is occurring and they need to get in there and intervene.

00:31:20.860 Not to cut you off, Ben.

00:31:21.540 So you're saying, and I agree with you wholeheartedly if you are, we need to go back to what Giuliani

00:31:26.040 did in 1994, a broken windows policing strategy.

00:31:29.780 Take care of the little things, the big things will follow.

00:31:32.980 So that's point one, right?

00:31:34.180 Are we in agreement on that?

00:31:35.280 That's point one.

00:31:35.720 So you go back to the enforcement, obviously, but you do it with a unique twist, which is

00:31:40.540 every single dollar being spent, whether it's nonprofit money, public money, public health

00:31:46.660 money needs to be diverted from making these encampments nicer for people to live on the

00:31:52.240 street and put it into bed space.

00:31:54.500 We have no attic bed space and we need to fine tune the rules of engagement that are

00:32:00.860 given for people.

00:32:01.920 I.e.

00:32:02.660 we're paying a lot of money to give people Narcan so that they can wake up a drug addict.

00:32:07.020 Exactly right.

00:32:07.440 So they can go back out.

00:32:08.620 Man, I was talking about this, Ben, yesterday for two hours with somebody in media, how the

00:32:13.900 cops don't even want Narcan anymore for that exact reason. 0.64

00:32:16.960 They're administering it.

00:32:18.360 They're showing back up an hour later for the same person.

00:32:20.820 I know paramedics here in Philadelphia that have given people Narcan twice in a shift

00:32:26.820 because what you do is it's like giving a drunk a cup of coffee.

00:32:30.260 You're waking them up.

00:32:31.840 They've ruined their high.

00:32:33.120 They go out to score more dope and then they overdose because the other dope is still in

00:32:36.640 their system.

00:32:37.360 So why are we spending all this money to train people and give people Narcan versus putting

00:32:42.640 that money into the actual long term treatment plans like, you know, Phoenix House in New

00:32:47.460 York, in Harlem, which have been proven to have the 60, 70 percent success rate versus

00:32:52.820 the 10, 15 percent success rate involved with, you know, giving someone a 48 hour detox and

00:32:58.180 sending them back.

00:32:58.900 All right.

00:32:59.100 So what are they what are they doing?

00:33:01.160 So you get them into a facility like that.

00:33:03.720 There's bed space. 0.67

00:33:04.900 Hypothetically, perfect world bed space. 0.57

00:33:06.780 They go through the detox.

00:33:08.340 They get they get more comprehensive treatment.

00:33:11.000 What do you do with them after they're finished there?

00:33:12.780 Because so it's a long a long term treatment plan is you got your detox, your 48 hours.

00:33:18.720 You've hit bottom.

00:33:19.620 Then you have your your traditional 12 step recovery facility, 28 days.

00:33:25.480 Then you have what's called a long term treatment house where you're basically in a group home

00:33:29.980 like someone on parole.

00:33:31.520 You live there.

00:33:32.620 You pay rent there.

00:33:33.580 So it's, you know, zeroed out as far as cost public funding.

00:33:37.780 And you you know, you basically are monitors and you have groups and you have 12 step meetings

00:33:42.800 and they assure you get enough time between you and the street so that you don't end up

00:33:48.380 going back out there.

00:33:49.380 OK, now, Ben, I like that solution.

00:33:50.820 So when you talk about criminalizing addiction, you're really not talking about it in the

00:33:55.540 traditional sense.

00:33:56.280 You're essentially saying this is more of a rather than saying criminalize.

00:34:00.400 This is more of a a strong civil commitment situation to try to get these people off drugs

00:34:05.880 and keep them off.

00:34:06.640 You're not talking about just throwing them into prison.

00:34:09.120 Yeah, it's a civil and criminal combined solution.

00:34:12.540 So if you look at the platforms of Beth Grossman, who lost to Larry Krasner, Beth Grossman's

00:34:17.620 platform.

00:34:18.160 We're talking about the because the audience won't be familiar.

00:34:20.480 We're talking about Philadelphia district attorney's race, correct?

00:34:23.440 Yes.

00:34:23.640 The controversial one where the attorney of Black Lives Matter and Occupy won the district

00:34:29.700 attorney race.

00:34:30.320 His platform basically is stop criminalizing minor things.

00:34:33.320 We're not going to arrest them or charge them in the first place, which leaves them on

00:34:36.820 the street versus someone who's pro enforcement who says, look, they need there's needs to

00:34:41.760 be some kind of scheduled intervention in the first place.

00:34:44.980 So how do we intervene with them and then divert them into something that makes them better

00:34:50.980 versus just kicking them out to Rikers or Holmesburg prison?

00:34:54.360 No, it makes sense to me because all that jail is, is crime school.

00:34:58.020 I always remember that scene in the Johnny Depp movie Blow when he says that when he went

00:35:01.840 to federal prison, it was crime school.

00:35:03.720 Yeah, he spent his days teaching guys how to smuggle, right?

00:35:06.980 And then there's drugs coming in there.

00:35:08.200 It's whatever you need.

00:35:09.160 So I love, I love the solution.

00:35:11.540 It makes perfect sense what you're proposing.

00:35:13.820 What's the likelihood we'll ever see anything like it around the United States?

00:35:16.680 Because these cities have a major, major problem right now.

00:35:21.180 Surprisingly, you started seeing it in places like New York first.

00:35:24.460 So there are some baby steps being taken place.

00:35:27.260 You're going to see it in Southern states first because they've already streamlined their

00:35:30.380 criminal justice processing.

00:35:32.220 I think there can be a private side.

00:35:34.440 I think there's money in it.

00:35:35.600 I think if groups like GEO and some of the larger private, you know, contract groups

00:35:40.140 start looking at treatment wings of their correctional facilities, it can be a positive ROI versus

00:35:48.160 simply correctional facilities.

00:35:49.880 People still, because they're getting drugs in the jail.

00:35:52.600 So they're still addicted.

00:35:54.100 They're just coming out more hard and critical.

00:35:55.520 Hey, look, it'll probably be for the big private prison contractors, GEO and some others,

00:35:59.580 and it'd probably be a hell of a lot more lucrative as well than just providing bed space and cells.

00:36:05.080 Right.

00:36:05.320 Well, you're also getting into a root cause of Fort Lauderdale's problem.

00:36:08.720 So why is Fort Lauderdale such a destination for homeless addicts right now?

00:36:12.840 Because there's a lot of treatment facilities, private ones located in South Philly,

00:36:18.360 I'm South Philly, South Florida.

00:36:19.580 They go to South Florida, they fail out of the treatment facility.

00:36:24.800 And instead of going back home because there's no return ticket, they just get kicked out.

00:36:29.240 Very true.

00:36:29.780 And they wind up on the street here.

00:36:31.200 That is very, very true.

00:36:32.660 Ben, absolutely.

00:36:34.320 This is, I think, one of the most informative segments and solution-based segments I've done

00:36:38.380 in a really, really long time.

00:36:39.960 Ben Maness, retired.

00:36:42.060 Well, Ben has held a few law enforcement jobs.

00:36:44.160 Retired street cop, retired federal cop, but has been a really prolific law enforcement analyst,

00:36:49.840 issue analyst.

00:36:50.860 Ben, as always, my friend, thanks a million.

00:36:52.720 John, it's great talking to you.

00:36:54.100 If you're not part of the problem, you're part of the solution.

00:36:56.540 Exactly right.

00:36:57.400 All right, have a good one now.

00:36:58.320 Take care.

00:36:58.620 Take care now.

00:37:11.320 Once a week, I'm going to do a story that makes me really happy to do, because we talk

00:37:14.780 about such serious stuff here on the show.

00:37:16.920 We always talk about these really important topics.

00:37:18.820 I really love doing all of them.

00:37:20.000 I'm super interested in the content I bring you, and I'm glad you're super interested in

00:37:24.500 it, and you watch the show.

00:37:25.560 Thanks a million for that.

00:37:26.620 It makes the show what it is.

00:37:28.300 I do it every day, but I get to bring stories to you that make me happy.

00:37:32.680 And every week, I'm going to start doing at least one.

00:37:34.940 I'm going to do more.

00:37:35.540 I'm going to do at least one.

00:37:36.260 The first one for this week, it's only Tuesday, is from our good friend Kyle Olson over at

00:37:42.560 the American Mirror, entitled, Woke Maxine Waters Plays to Empty Seats.

00:37:48.540 Yep.

00:37:49.360 Maxine Waters held a campaign rally.

00:37:51.320 No one came.

00:37:52.520 Maxine Waters plays to empty seats as only 10 millennials go up the campaign event. 0.99

00:37:58.700 Kyle writes, Maxine Waters likes to say millennials love her, but if her own campaign event is 0.95

00:38:05.740 any indication, that might be more rhetoric than reality.

00:38:09.440 79-year-old auntie Maxine held a meet-and-greet tweet-a-thon on Sunday for two hours, and while

00:38:15.860 it's hard to know what she hoped the outcome would be, but the turnout seemed to be underwhelming.

00:38:20.660 Now, there's a flyer here in the article.

00:38:23.820 You'll be able to see the graphic.

00:38:24.900 Please join us for the Auntie Maxine meet-and-greet tweet-a-thon.

00:38:30.560 So apparently, this event was aimed at millennials, and in Maxine Waters' world, one of her delusional

00:38:37.780 staffers really thought this would be a good idea.

00:38:41.720 Come join top social media influencers for a tweet-a-thon in support of Auntie Maxine,

00:38:48.540 our fearless champion in Congress, who taught us how to reclaim our time.

00:38:55.760 We are coming together to amplify Congressman Waters' voice and highlight her many achievements

00:38:59.960 throughout her career.

00:39:01.520 Millennials come energized and ready to get out the vote on June 5th.

00:39:06.460 Oh, they're voting today as the primary lobby for Maxine Waters, and this was held on Sunday.

00:39:13.120 So Maxine Waters in this primary runoff today, and

00:39:18.540 it's just incredible.

00:39:21.100 So this video of the event on Maxine Waters' website, like 10 people showed up, and Maxine

00:39:27.780 Waters used the event to allow attendees to gripe about what they think is wrong with America.

00:39:33.860 He said, when you come here, you always have an open mic.

00:39:35.760 You can say whatever you want to say.

00:39:37.440 But Waters told the crowd, oh, they probably didn't need a mic.

00:39:39.720 There were 10 people there.

00:39:40.520 They kind of just all kind of stood in a circle, and they could have aired their grievances.

00:39:44.400 It was like that episode of Seinfeld, when they had the Festivus poll, and we came for

00:39:47.780 the Festivus.

00:39:48.960 It was their holiday, if you don't remember, and then one of the things you do on Festivus

00:39:52.620 is the airing of the grievances.

00:39:54.840 It said the camera showed, the piece says the camera showed empty tables, likely intended

00:39:58.580 to be filled with fans of the liberal darling.

00:40:01.040 He said, we're going to take back the House.

00:40:03.720 Pro-Trump forces think they're going to take me out.

00:40:05.680 She said, I ain't going.

00:40:07.640 When 10 people show up, I don't think you take them back to the House.

00:40:10.560 Now, a Republican who's running against Maxine Waters, Omar Navarro, I've spoken to Omar.

00:40:16.360 He's a nice guy.

00:40:17.540 Can he beat her? 0.81

00:40:18.440 I don't know.

00:40:19.300 I don't know.

00:40:19.680 Maxine Waters has institutional support and money in that area.

00:40:23.720 Omar's a young guy.

00:40:24.660 He's trying his best.

00:40:25.920 I've spoken to him on the phone several times.

00:40:27.780 He's an affable enough, likable enough guy.

00:40:30.240 He's from the area.

00:40:31.200 He's a Latin guy, a Latino, sharp guy.

00:40:34.320 He seems to know what he's doing.

00:40:35.560 He's gathering grassroots support.

00:40:37.360 And if anybody can mount the challenge, it's Omar. 0.81

00:40:41.900 And quite frankly, I think I like him on a personal level.

00:40:45.700 We've engaged a couple of times.

00:40:46.920 I think he's a good guy.

00:40:48.060 I think his heart's in the right place.

00:40:49.180 And I think he's an infinitely, infinitely better choice than Maxine Waters.

00:40:52.580 He'd probably do a very good job for the residents.

00:40:55.000 So I hope Omar can win.

00:40:56.660 I just don't have high hopes for these institutionally blue California districts.

00:41:00.740 But Maxine Waters didn't miss an opportunity to use racial identity politics to attack Omar 1.00

00:41:07.340 Navarro.

00:41:07.800 She said, quote, he has a last name that is Latin.

00:41:10.700 He's Cuban.

00:41:11.640 And what a lot of our people don't understand is that he supports the president building a

00:41:15.500 wall.

00:41:15.840 He's opposed to DACA.

00:41:16.820 He does not support DACA.

00:41:18.360 And in addition to that, he is not worried at all, has not said a word about what is

00:41:22.500 happening at the border.

00:41:23.940 And the so-called, what they call a jungle primary, an open primary in California, is

00:41:28.680 today, June 5th.

00:41:30.060 It's going to be very interesting to see how that shakes out.

00:41:32.380 But what's even more interesting is that Maxine Waters is concerned enough about Omar Navarro

00:41:37.640 to actually engage him and campaign against him.

00:41:40.920 In the past, she's really run unopposed.

00:41:44.040 She's never had a semi-formidable challenge.

00:41:46.420 Now, the district makeup has changed quite a bit.

00:41:48.060 That district has historically been primarily African-American.

00:41:53.940 But not long ago, it changed and has a much larger Hispanic population, which works very

00:42:02.900 well in Omar Navarro's favor.

00:42:05.560 Maxine Waters, not just because of the name.

00:42:07.920 That's not why.

00:42:08.960 Maxine Waters' alliance, people like Farrakhan, doesn't go over well with Hispanics and Latinos 0.96

00:42:16.320 because they're very Christian.

00:42:17.660 They're Catholic.

00:42:18.720 They do not like radical Muslims like Farrakhan.

00:42:21.300 That alone will hurt her.

00:42:24.420 And it's a message that I'll give Navarro credit.

00:42:26.180 Navarro has been using very, very effectively.

00:42:28.320 He's been tying.

00:42:29.200 He understands.

00:42:30.000 It's his community.

00:42:30.760 He understands that these people are Christian, primarily Catholic.

00:42:34.280 And the Hispanic Latino community, very religious community for the most part.

00:42:38.380 I talked to Omar.

00:42:39.320 I asked him what it was like in that part of California.

00:42:41.260 Very religious.

00:42:42.600 And when he ties her to Farrakhan, he gets some of his best engagement.

00:42:47.240 Now, anecdotally, yes, I look at it on social media because I really, you know, I've done

00:42:53.000 segments on Maxine Waters.

00:42:54.180 I want to see this woman out of Congress. 1.00

00:42:55.700 But you do notice that people, especially Hispanics, Latinos from his district, do engage

00:42:59.980 him on Twitter and when he posts things about, or for Facebook, when he posts things about

00:43:05.080 Maxine Waters' friendship and alliances with and support of Farrakhan, attending Farrakhan

00:43:10.920 rallies, refusing to denounce Farrakhan, the Catholic, primarily Catholic, Hispanic, and

00:43:18.240 Latinos in that district, they do not like that.

00:43:21.080 They do not like it.

00:43:22.540 That is a deal breaker for them with Maxine Waters, even the ones who have been Democrat

00:43:27.500 voters.

00:43:28.820 And so I think Maxine Waters has a tougher fight on her hand than she ever anticipated. 0.56

00:43:34.620 Ten millennials showing up at her event.

00:43:36.700 Now, Navarro is a younger guy, late 20s, early 30s, really young guy.

00:43:42.580 He's got a big millennial following, got a lot of grassroots support.

00:43:46.480 He's raised hundreds of thousands of dollars, not a tremendous amount of money for a congressional

00:43:50.280 race, but far more than anyone else has raised again.

00:43:53.740 And he's had big names go out for him.

00:43:55.620 Roger Stone, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, General Michael Flynn, they've all gone out and campaigned

00:44:01.800 on behalf of all.

00:44:03.020 And so Waters is starting to see a challenge from Trump world like she's never seen, and

00:44:08.780 it's got her concerned.

00:44:10.280 Ten millennials showing up spells doom.

00:44:12.140 Her alliance with Farrakhan spells doom.

00:44:13.960 In any other district than a normal place in the country, I'd say Maxine Waters is doomed 1.00

00:44:18.060 today.

00:44:18.620 But it's California.

00:44:21.840 It's a deep blue district, an entrenched democratic political machine.

00:44:27.100 And so while I like that she has to campaign, I'm not going to sit here and say I have tremendously

00:44:33.340 high hopes that she can be unseated.

00:44:35.920 But I'm not writing it off either.

00:44:38.040 I think if there was ever a time when Maxine Waters was vulnerable and could lose the House,

00:44:42.800 it's going into the November midterms.

00:44:45.100 And we're going to see just how much support we're going to look at turnout today in that

00:44:49.840 district.

00:44:50.200 If turnout is low in that district and Navarro keeps his grassroots machine going as it is,

00:44:56.360 he has a really, really outstanding shot of beating Maxine Waters in November.

00:45:01.160 So keep an eye on this California primary.

00:45:02.680 But again, only 10 people, 10 millennials showed up at this Maxine Waters event.

00:45:09.140 So clearly her messaging is missing the mark and America is stronger for it.

00:45:14.360 So well, let's go.

00:45:15.980 Soút, let's go.

00:45:16.960 Let's go.

00:45:17.500 Let's go.

00:45:18.900 Let's go.

00:45:19.540 Let's go.

00:45:23.200 Let's go.

00:45:23.340 Let's go.

00:45:28.540 Let's go.

00:45:29.360 Let's go.

00:45:35.380 Let's go.

00:45:37.160 Let's go.

Rebel News Podcast - June 05, 2018

Off The Cuff Declassified - John Cardillo - June 5⧸2018

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