Off The Cuff Declassified - John Cardillo - May 3⧸2018
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Rudy Giuliani dropped a bombshell in his interview with Sean Hannity that could have changed the entire landscape of American politics. He said Donald Trump did, in fact, reimburse his lawyer for $130,000 to settle a hush money payment to porn star Stormy Daniels.
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Today on Off the Cuff Declassified, we're going to be talking about Rudy Giuliani's
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Big League Politics Editor-in-Chief Patrick Howley joins me to discuss the latest
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on the Hillary email reveal and the Mueller investigation.
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Also, we're going to discuss this really disturbing far-left slide by the Boy Scouts of America,
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And is the deep state weaponizing against Trump nominees by slowing down their security
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Well, Rudy Giuliani, man, did he change the game last night during his interview with Sean
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I don't know if Giuliani is the most brilliant legal mind next to Alan Dershowitz, or he's
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I don't know if he's crazy like a fox or just crazy.
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If you didn't watch the interview, if you're not seeing the headlines, I know that I take
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for granted that most people are paying attention to this.
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Many others have lives and families, and they're not news junkies.
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So we try to sum it up for you as accurately and comprehensively as humanly possible.
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If you haven't seen the interview, Giuliani dropped the bombshell that Donald Trump did,
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in fact, reimburse his attorney, Michael Cohen, for $130,000 hush money payment to porn star
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Of course, Stormy Daniels is alleging that Donald Trump had an extramarital affair with
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her while Melania Trump was pregnant with their youngest son, Barron, for a few months
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I don't pay enough attention to Stormy Daniels, nor do I care to get into the minutia of the
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But what Giuliani said that was even more important is that it's not illegal for Trump
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And that's really the crux of this particular segment.
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Now, what the left is trying to make you believe is that Donald Trump, a multi-billionaire
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with billions, tens of billions of dollars in properties and assets, would have taken
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money from his campaign to reimburse Michael Cohen, or he funneled money through the campaign
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That would have been moronic, and it would have been illegal.
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Now, the reason the left, and I'm going to tell you why I don't think that's the case,
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the reason the left wants you to believe that narrative is because that's precisely what
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Hillary Clinton funneled the payments, Fusion GPS, that ultimately paid Christopher Steele to
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She funneled them through her law firm, Perkins Coie.
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So the left has to say, well, Trump did the same with Stormy Daniels.
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So Donald Trump, rather than Rudy Giuliani, drops a bombshell that Donald Trump did, in
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And what Giuliani said initially, and the exchange with Sean Hannity is very, very interesting,
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Giuliani said, quote, about the payment, and about the payment that Michael Cohen made to
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Stormy Daniels, Giuliani said, that's what lawyers do all the time.
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Giuliani said he does it for his wealthy, high-profile clients.
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Look, I tell you all the time, when I had my business, I was involved in a lawsuit.
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I was, I had spent that year, I did the math on it, and I saw my rewards.
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Something like 120, 130 nights in hotels, one particular hotel chain, and I had, it was
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a ridiculous amount of points, like 200,000 points from that particular hotel chain.
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I got a week's vacation out of it, like a 10-day vacation.
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And I gave our lawyers in that lawsuit discretion to settle the suit up to a certain dollar amount
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to pay the settlement if I was unreachable, and then they would bill our company, and we
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It's a very common practice, a very common practice in the legal game.
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Now, a lawyer's not going to front money for someone they don't know, but if they know
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you're solvent, our attorneys had our banking information, they knew we were solvent, they
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knew we had the means to repay them, we were always current on our legal fees.
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They understood that as a client, to keep us as a client, we were paying a good size retainer
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every month because we dealt with a lot of regulatory issues, we needed them, that it
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was smart business for them to advance the money, and then they would send us a bill,
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Now, I'm not saying a law firm, if the tobacco industry has to pay billions upon billions,
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But when the amount is $100,000, $200,000, and it's a large law firm with millions in
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the bank, oftentimes, to just get rid of the case, they'll front the money, they'll bill
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the client, the client will reimburse the law firm, and it pretty much goes away.
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And that's exactly what happened with Stormy Daniels.
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It was a lot cheaper to pay this woman off, even if all of her claims are bogus, than it
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was to potentially spend hundreds more of thousands in legal fees, or damage the Trump
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organization brand to the tune of millions, $10 million.
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$130,000, while not a little bit of money, in the grand scheme of a multibillion-dollar
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It's half the salary of a third of the salary of senior-level executives.
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It's something that you do a cost-benefit analysis on, and you pay.
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So Giuliani said that Trump repaid the money, then he explained how.
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But what Giuliani said that's most important, that's what I want to talk about.
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Giuliani declared that, quote, the payment, quote, is going to turn out to be perfectly
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Sorry, I'm giving you a fact now that you don't know.
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It's not campaign money, no campaign finance violation, end quote.
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And that right there, if Giuliani's statement is accurate, and I have zero reason to believe
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it's not, I believe it's entirely accurate, that right there puts to bed the argument that
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something illegal transpired in the paying off of Stormy Daniels.
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It might not be the most tasteful thing to the sanctimonious or the moral.
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I'm sure large portions of the evangelical community will have an issue with a sitting
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president paying off via his lawyer a porn star.
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A person, a business, can choose to pay for anything they want as long as they're doing
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They can't choose to pay for a kilo of cocaine, but if their attorney chooses to settle a lawsuit
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and they said to their attorney, the attorney knows they're very, very wealthy, and their
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attorney has blanket discretion to settle in advance funds up to, say, half a million
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In fact, it happens around the world hundreds of times.
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I would say in the U.S., it's probably happening hundreds of times while we record this segment,
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Around the world, probably thousands of times in the length it took me to record this segment.
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It is what lawyers do for clients every day of the week.
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It is the nature of being an attorney, being an attorney for a wealthy, powerful, notable
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It's what lawyers in Hollywood do daily, hourly with some clients.
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This is not anything improper, not anything illegal.
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And if Donald Trump then wrote a check for more wired money from his personal accounts
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or the Trump organization or a trust, anything but the campaign, now I can tell you, I don't
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believe for a single solitary second that Donald Trump used campaign money, and I'll tell you
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I am very, very close to, very personally friendly with, I've done business with, three or four
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of the individuals who were state directors, who ran states for the Trump campaign, two
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The budgets of the Trump campaign were very, very slim.
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In other words, he gives you X amount of dollars.
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You estimate you need X amount of dollars, you spend that money, you shouldn't have a
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And one of them told me a story that they had an overall budget for their state, and
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Now, he would be happy if you come in under budget, but a zero-based budget would indicate
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But if you came in under budget, he's the happiest guy in the world as a business person.
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And every line item was either on budget or slightly under budget.
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One line item was slightly over budget, but the entire budget came in well under budget
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into the tens of thousands of dollars on a program costing hundreds of thousands of
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And they said to me, you know, the only thing Donald Trump focused on, we didn't get a pat
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on the back for being totally under budget or under budget on 19 or 20 line items.
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The only thing he focused on was that one line item that was over budget and told them
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That's all he focused on, which tells me that Donald Trump was not hiding and funneling
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money through his campaign to pay off a porn star.
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He would have written that check from his personal account because they said he was critical.
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I was talking to them about this case, and they said to me, there would be nowhere to find
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the money because he believed in zero-based budgets.
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Every dime appropriated by the campaign or the campaign had to be budgeted in advance by those
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He would go to each of them and say, what do you need?
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And every penny would already have been pre-accounted for.
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There wouldn't have been an extra $130,000 that could have been hidden for Stormy Daniels.
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Two of them are kind of bitter because they didn't get jobs in the administration.
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If they thought there was a problem, they'd be the first one saying it.
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But to a person, they all said, look, you know, we've got our issues.
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Two of them said, we've got our issues with this president.
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But one thing we can tell you, the man is fanatical at balancing books.
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He never, and being above board with his books, he never would have allowed a payment from
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He wanted every penny of that campaign money to go toward the campaign.
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That's not me being a cheerleader for Donald Trump.
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That's me talking to four people who were tasked with managing millions of dollars each
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on the campaign, telling me their experiences with how Donald Trump budgets.
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And so take that, you know, take that in any way you want.
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Obviously, I'm not naming them, but they, so you can believe it.
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I happen to believe it because I watched them operate during the campaign and I watched
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So I don't believe that Donald Trump would have done that.
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I also don't believe that Donald Trump would have been silly enough to hide money through
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His, his plane, his 757 before he was a candidate, burned more fuel than that on a trip across the
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A round trip on that plane is burning about that much in gas.
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And so this assertion is ludicrous, but it's done to cover for Hillary Clinton.
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That's all it's about because Hillary did do this.
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Giuliani took some pot shots with regards to certain people around Trump.
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And he said, and I don't know if I would have said this.
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He said, Hannity asked what might happen if Jared Kushner from Son-in-Law becomes a criminal
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So Giuliani praised Kushner as, quote, a fine man.
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You know, he said, wait, he said, this is an interesting comment.
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So Giuliani said that he would, quote, get on his charger, get his charger and go ride into
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their offices with a lance, meaning Mueller's, if they go after Ivanka Trump.
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Now, if they do go after Ivanka, which I doubt they will, the whole country will turn on them.
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I believe if Robert Mueller and team tried to go after Ivanka Trump, then the entire country
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So we talked about how Michael Cohen being reimbursed by Rudy Giuliani from personal and
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He said, quote, if it turns out that regarding to the payment, not if it turns out, he admitted
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And he said about that reimbursement, quote, it's going to turn out to be perfectly legal.
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He said to Hannity, sorry, I'm giving you a fact now that you don't know.
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So Hannity said they funneled it through the law firm.
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And Giuliani said, yeah, funneled through the law firm.
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Giuliani never should have used the word funneled.
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What he should have said was, no, not funneled.
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Advanced by Cohen or his private client, Donald Trump, or his private client, the Trump organization,
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then reimbursed by one of those private entities, not the campaign, no finance violation.
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And what he said was, let me pull up the quote for you.
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Of course, when I do that, my screen freezes, as it always does.
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But Giuliani then said that he reimbursed Cohen in a way that was through legal fees, which is also not illegal by any means.
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But prior to that, Giuliani said that, quote, Cohen was his lawyer and had the discretion to settle, as I have had, as I have had for clients ultimately paying for it.
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Remember, October 2016, hardly we'll recall any of that in detail.
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He also said that Trump was probably not aware of the payment at the time it was made.
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And what the Trump campaign is saying is that the agreement with Stormy Daniels was made to prevent false claims.
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Now, what Giuliani said when he walked it back, let me find that quote for you.
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He basically said that Trump paid Cohen, quote, over several months by putting him on retainer of $35,000 while he was doing no work for the president.
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This is the quote I was looking for before my screen froze.
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He said, quote, that's how he's repaying it, with a little profit and a little margin for paying taxes.
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And he said that Trump didn't know the specifics of the payment, as far as I know, but he did know about the general arrangement that Michael would take care of things like this.
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Like, I take care of things like this for my clients.
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I don't burden them with every single detail that comes along.
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And that's the nature of having very wealthy, powerful, well-known clients.
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They say if little gnats come flying around with bogus claims, either fight them or settle them.
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You figure out which is cheaper and which is less damaging to me.
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Now, the Trump campaign is obviously responding to Giuliani's false claim.
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He tweeted this morning, very early this morning, quote, Mr. Cohen, an attorney, received a monthly retainer not from the campaign and having nothing to do with the campaign,
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from which he entered into, through reimbursement, a private contract between two parties known as a non-disclosure agreement or NDA.
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These agreements are very common among celebrities and people of wealth.
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In this case, it is in full force and effect and will be used in arbitrations for damages against Ms. Clifford, Army Daniels.
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The agreement was used to stop the false and extortionist accusations made by her about an affair, despite already having signed a detailed letter admitting that there was no affair.
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Prior to its violation by Mrs. Clifford and her attorney, this was a private agreement.
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Money from the campaign or campaign contributions played no role in this transaction.
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Those are tweets from President Donald Trump that sound very much like they were written by his lawyer and him.
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Now, Giuliani also really beat the hell out of James Comey.
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And in light of everything, he had the indignity of having given Comey his first major job at the Department of Justice.
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Rudy Giuliani, you remember, was a U.S. attorney in New York.
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And after Trump's tweets, I like what I'm seeing because this now debunks the entire narrative of a cover-up and of campaign funds being used.
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All Donald Trump has to do now is have his attorneys, show a bank statement, providing payments to Michael Cohen, subsequent to Michael Cohen's payment to Stormy Daniels, and those payments coming from either his personal account or a Trump organization private account.
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And it puts that entire line of questioning to bed.
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It also paints Robert Mueller and his team in a terrible, terrible light for kicking in Michael Cohen's doors of his offices, homes, and hotel rooms, raiding his files, and taking privileged material.
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This is really, really starting to amp up, and I'm really happy that we're seeing the president fight back.
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So much going on with the Robert Mueller investigation, this revelation that new Hillary Clinton emails have been found, and Rudy Giuliani's earth-shattering interview on Sean Hannity's show last night.
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Here to discuss it all with me is the guy who brought us the story.
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He broke the story on new Hillary emails, or old Hillary emails, recently discovered being found, Patrick Howley, editor-in-chief of Big League Politics.
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Let's first go to the story that you broke here a week or so ago.
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New emails found that belonged to Hillary Clinton, presumably the missing emails.
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I believe the judge ordered a disclosure on September 28th.
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Two other disclosures were already ordered by the judge.
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And March 30th, what did we learn, since you've last been on the show, about those January and March releases of Hillary's previously undisclosed emails?
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So Hillary Clinton was discussing classified information on her private, non-secure server.
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This is new information that we gleaned from these January and March 30th releases that further reinforced that idea, right?
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And it's clear that many different foreign hostile actors gained access to her email inbox.
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We know that this happened when she visited China.
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When she was in East Asia, there was a breach then.
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And people got into her private email server because there was no firewall protection on it.
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So, you know, Hillary Clinton is definitely guilty of espionage, also perjury and obstruction of justice and many other crimes.
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And it's time for Jeff Sessions, who we're going to talk more about, to, you know, to lock her up.
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There are now many people I trust, some people you and I both know through the political and the media world,
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that were previously calling for Sessions to be fired, are now saying, hey, wait a second.
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Because the OIG doesn't seem to have been reined in.
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But I am not convinced, because at the end of the day, Patrick, we all fall back on our own experiences.
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I look back at my experience in law enforcement.
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I have never seen anything handled this tepidly.
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Well, first of all, Sessions, if he is playing 4D chess, he did go to bat for Rod Rosenstein.
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He wanted Rod Rosenstein to be his number two at the Department of Justice.
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And he is now the one who is refusing to hand over these documents.
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After all this time, Rod Rosenstein is in possession of documents about the DOJ investigations going on.
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And why do we have to keep putting up with Rod Rosenstein?
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Well, part of the reason for that is because Jeff Sessions keeps him there.
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So the idea that Jeff Sessions is playing 4D chess,
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we had a great piece on that theory on our site by Larry Speichardt.
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I've always hated, not to cut you off, so I want you to keep going.
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I've always hated that 4D chess conspiracy theory.
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Rosenstein played Sessions, allowed Sessions to believe that he was an honest, ethical actor.
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Sessions followed the chain of command, brought Rosenstein in as a number two.
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Sessions is paralyzed by and unwilling to fight the swamp.
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Yes, and Sessions' lawyer, Chuck Cooper, in the Russia case, is also very tight with Rosenstein.
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You know, this is a Washington lawyer kind of fraternity.
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Chuck Cooper goes back in Republican politics to Iran-Contra.
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He was one of the people who was sitting there at, I believe it was Capitol Grill,
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And he saw, you know, secret documents in the Iran-Contra case.
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So, I mean, these people have been in the swamp for a very long time.
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It's funny to me, during the campaign, Ted Cruz said privately, and I heard him,
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you know, well, Jeff's been in Washington too long, referring to Jeff Sessions.
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And we all thought, what is this guy talking about?
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I think Ted Cruz was right, and I think that's exactly what it was.
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You know, I was at Horowitz Restoration Weekend down here in South Florida, back in November,
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I guess it was, and J. Christian Adams, the DOJ whistleblower, gave a speech in which he
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basically defended Sessions, but kind of admitted Sessions isn't going to do anything.
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So, we were walking out of the room together, and I pulled him aside, and I said, Christian,
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you know, what is, I said, I want to talk to you on the record.
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He said, yeah, fine, because everything I do is on the record.
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I said, did you just really say that Jeff Sessions knows there's a problem and won't
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He said, look, Jeff's an honorable guy, but this problem is so entrenched, it's so vast,
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Now, I don't know if he meant that he doesn't have the will to fight it, the ability to fight
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it, compromise, but he was pretty clear that Sessions isn't going to do anything.
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He's fascinated with legal marijuana and civil asset seizure.
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But man, when it comes to fighting the bad actors on Team Obama and Team Hillary, he doesn't
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Well, I'll tell you who is interested and willing is Rudy Giuliani.
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And we should, that interview last night should be the final nail in the coffin for Jeff Sessions
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Yeah, I did a segment right before you on the nuances of why they are trying to spin
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We know a couple of the same people who ran various aspects of the campaign.
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One of the things they would complain about to me, the campaign, senior campaign staff,
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we'd be out for a drink in D.C. or South Florida, New York, was how Trump was fanatical
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There wouldn't have been an extra $130,000 to pay off Stormy Daniels out of the campaign.
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If Trump reimbursed Cohen, which I believe he did, that came out of personal money.
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And Patrick, I don't have a problem with a rich guy making a nuisance go away, a false
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allegation nuisance go away, to the tune of a paltry $130,000 in context.
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Donald Trump made a nuisance go away by paying a porn star $130,000.
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Hillary Clinton made a nuisance go away by murdering Seth Rich.
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I tend to think there's a lot of credence to the theory that Seth Rich was murdered for
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But I do believe, and I'll tell you why, I've got friends in DCPD that I know from my
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law enforcement days, they told me they worked that area.
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They have never once seen a body on the ground in that area that had its wallet and money in
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And so they said, hey, we don't know what happened.
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And two of these guys were robbery units for 10 years.
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And they said, we've never seen a case handled this way.
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We've never seen the heavy-handedness from the federal government on a case.
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We've never seen our unit told, don't go out and shake the trees and interview CIs.
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Everything about that case in terms of law enforcement is dirty.
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But let's look at something we know Hillary did.
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Hillary did funnel money through her law firm, Perkins Coy, from her campaign to pay Fusion
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I think that's why they're spinning it that way for Trump.
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Yeah, the Hillary Clinton money laundering scandal is massive, by the way.
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There are so many other crimes and horrible things that she's done.
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That this seems like small potatoes in comparison.
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But the fact that she was laundering money through state parties is so highly illegal and indicts
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We need to investigate that before the midterms.
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Party chairs of a few states in the Midwest are asking, or the National Committee men and
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committee women, are asking Hillary Clinton for $1.65 million back that the DNC paid her
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I mean, even the DNC is distancing themselves from Hillary at this point.
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Now, Mueller is threatening a grand jury subpoena if Trump doesn't sit down with him.
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I don't think Trump should ever sit down with Robert Mueller.
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Victoria Tenzing, Joe DiGenova's wife, two of the most gifted federal and national security
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defense attorneys out there, both say, absolutely not.
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Henzing went a step further than DiGenova and said, over my dead body.
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To paraphrase her, she said, she tells her clients, if you try to talk to federal investigators,
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You've got to kill me and step over my dead body to do it.
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And typically they come back and thank her later on.
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I don't think Trump should go anywhere near Mueller.
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He should submit written questions, obviously written by his lawyer, signed by him, and leave
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And then let Mueller try to subpoena a sitting president after the president complies in that
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So the idea that Trump should willingly sit down with him is such a horrible idea.
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I've talked about this with my friend Roger Stone.
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I urge the president, please, please do not do this because the president likes to talk,
00:28:42.060
you know, and not that he's done anything wrong, but Mueller is going to be sitting there with
00:28:46.720
a pencil, making sure that he crosses every T to make sure to try to get him on some kind
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So if he actually does subpoena Trump, well, Trump can just take the fifth.
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And Rudy Giuliani was spot on last night talking about how this has gone on way too long and
00:29:15.600
And it broke my heart when Giuliani was talking about how his biggest regret in life was that
00:29:30.080
And, you know, Wayne is an old friend of Donald Trump's and he was very critical of Obama.
00:29:35.640
And I've had Wayne on the show, on my old radio show many, many times.
00:29:39.680
I was talking about bringing him on this show and he's going to be coming on soon.
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I said, if you were sitting with Trump and he said, you know, we're old friends,
00:29:49.700
that I would tell Donald, don't go anywhere near Mueller for the simple reason that
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He would say to Trump, he said, but we talk too much.
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He said, we're the worst guys in the world that's sitting in front of federal investigators
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because we try to, you know, have the puffiest chest in the room.
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We would talk too much and we'd get ourselves into a trap.
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And I think Wayne was dead on the mark with that.
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Mueller and in the process, Mueller would say, whoa, wait a second.
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All right, so let's go back to Giuliani because that's really what I wanted to chat with you
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So much out of that interview, I had somebody very, very close to the president of the United
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States tell me, we ran into each other socially and they were integral to the campaign and
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We were talking about all of this about two months ago.
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They said to me, Jeff Sessions was our biggest mistake.
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We should have gone with Rudy, but Rudy wanted Secretary of State.
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And Rudy Giuliani expressed that same frustration last night.
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That's where you were going before I just went over to talk about Wayne.
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It's very sad because Jeff Sessions has wasted so much of our time and, you know, really put
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us through so much hardship by recusing himself in this nonsense.
00:31:25.520
And instead of being able to govern, and he's governing well, but instead of being able to
00:31:30.880
govern full time, you know, the number one issue has been, is he going to be able to defeat
00:31:35.760
the lying political establishment that is making up a case out of thin air?
00:31:41.140
I mean, this, Rush Limbaugh says this, this is crushing the spirit of our country.
00:31:45.240
And maybe that's the point is to crush the spirit of our country, to send the message that
00:31:49.160
no matter how patriotic you are, no matter what a good citizen you are, it doesn't matter
00:31:55.840
The people in charge can manipulate the facts and they can always get you because they're
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And I think that's the message that they're trying to send to each and every one of us.
00:32:06.340
I think this is deep state saying to America, how dare you think you get a right to choose
00:32:12.640
How dare you believe that you can unseat our selected primary choices?
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We give you two choices that we approve of, that the deep state, the entrenched bureaucracy,
00:32:24.980
How dare you go outside of those two choices and rock the system?
00:32:31.480
Look, Michael Caputo, who had been put through hell for no reason whatsoever, a former advisor
00:32:36.840
to Trump, came on the campaign after the Republican primary in New York, left when Manafort came
00:32:47.220
And many good people left when Manafort was there because he wanted Trump to be more
00:32:52.520
But Caputo lashed out the Senate Intelligence Committee, and now he's talking to the media.
00:32:58.640
And he's saying that he went into this thing believing that Mueller was impartial and fair.
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He believes that they want a scalp, they're going to get a scalp.
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But that's what's so problematic here, Patrick.
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The criminal justice system, the criminal justice system is supposed to operate in this way.
00:33:16.200
A crime occurs, and you try to find the person who committed it.
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Let's investigate that person until we find a crime.
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And if we can't find a crime, let's put them into as many traps as possible to get a bogus
00:33:36.300
But if you fire Mueller now, they're going to move for impeachment.
00:33:39.220
The neocons, the rhinos, and the Dems are going to move to impeach.
00:33:45.440
So, you know, they think they've got us in a trap whereby President Trump can't do anything
00:33:50.300
to defend himself or they'll get him on a process crime or this obstruction of justice idea.
00:33:55.280
If he tries to defend himself, they'll try to make a case for obstruction of justice no
00:34:00.740
They are using the legal system in a very dangerous, dishonest way that is hurting our
00:34:10.460
And what we need to do is we need to go on offense, like Rudy said, and we need to get
00:34:17.480
It came out last night, by the way, that Rod Rosenstein was with Mueller when Mueller interviewed
00:34:26.020
First of all, how is it not a conflict of interest that Trump passes Mueller over for
00:34:30.620
a job and then Mueller comes back as the special counsel?
00:34:39.280
How is it not a conflict of interest that Mueller and Comey worked together?
00:34:42.240
How is it not a conflict of interest that Rosenstein and Mueller worked together, were in that
00:34:45.920
interview together, and then Rosenstein picks Mueller, the guy that wasn't hired to be the
00:34:50.680
special counsel, inviting the guy who didn't, investigating the guy who didn't hire him and
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Nothing about this, nothing about this is proper.
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Not to mention the fact that Paul Manafort was using Wilmer Hale law firm to represent
00:35:07.240
him at the time that Mueller started investigating Manafort.
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So anything he got from that period of the investigation can immediately be discounted for
00:35:19.740
attorney-client privilege and various other things as well.
00:35:22.620
It's the most bizarre, improper investigation I've ever seen in my life, unless, unless Trump
00:35:31.680
really does have some intricate endgame and all the pieces are falling into place.
00:35:35.920
Because otherwise, otherwise, this was gross incompetence up to this point on the part of
00:35:42.980
Look, I am, I couldn't be happier that John Dowd and Ty Cobb are gone.
00:35:57.860
And then Ty Cobb, the day after he resigns, goes and does an interview on ABC News praising
00:36:03.540
I mean, what did he do there for nearly a year?
00:36:10.640
I hope his mustache is still in the White House.
00:36:18.320
His mustache is the new head lawyer on the team.
00:36:21.500
Listen, seriously, what the hell was Cobb doing?
00:36:25.860
All you did was praise Mueller, praise Mueller, praise Mueller.
00:36:28.600
And then after you leave, you do an ABC interview praising Mueller again?
00:36:35.340
You know, a lot of these people infiltrate and they really do have dual allegiances.
00:36:45.780
Defense lawyers, even civil defense lawyers, know they have to exist with these other councils.
00:36:52.260
They know criminal defense lawyers, know they have to exist with these prosecutors.
00:36:55.820
So they only go so far, but for a few, the Victoria Tenzing's, the Joe DiGenova's.
00:37:02.480
Many of them, like Cobb and Dowd, will only go so far.
00:37:05.080
They'll only rock the boat so much because they know that once they're done with that client, they've got to exist with another client.
00:37:11.200
A guy like Mueller goes back into the private sector.
00:37:15.080
He can easily bring them in as a partner, make them very wealthy, as long as they didn't rock the boat too much.
00:37:20.340
I don't think Trump got adequate representation from Dowd and Cobb.
00:37:26.040
John, I think that it is a big regret that Rudy Giuliani did not become the attorney general.
00:37:32.280
And I think what this underscores more than anything is the need for President Donald Trump to go on offense.
00:37:47.600
And we are tired of having to defend ourselves from fiction.
00:37:50.980
It is time to point out the truth to the American people and to go on offense.
00:37:57.640
And President Donald Trump needs to follow Rudy's advice because Rudy has his back.
00:38:03.760
Patrick Howley, Editor-in-Chief, Big League Politics.
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You're going to keep us updated on what's going on with these Hillary emails, right?
00:38:11.940
When did you find something new, send me a text.
00:38:25.020
It feels like every institution from my childhood is being eradicated by the far left.
00:38:33.620
I'm sure you've seen the story, but we're going to go deep into it.
00:38:43.460
Well, Boy Scouts Chief Scout Executive, Mike Serba, is saying it's only about the new
00:38:52.220
The Boy Scouts, starting in, let's see, when are they going to do this?
00:38:55.900
They're going to be called Scouts BSA in February of 2019.
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The umbrella organization will retain its name, Boy Scouts of America.
00:39:05.440
The term Cub Scouts for kids 7 to 10 years old is gender neutral and will go unchanged.
00:39:12.480
However, Boy Scouts, which runs for kids 11, 17, then you get Eagle Scouts, will have
00:39:25.080
Cub Scouts will formally start accepting girls this summer.
00:39:29.260
But Sarbaugh, the Chief Scout Executive, said more than 3,000 girls nationwide are already
00:39:35.420
enrolled in BSA's Early Adopter Program and are participating in Cub Scouts ahead of the
00:39:46.760
This is an attempt by the far left to destroy traditionalism, to eradicate the concept of
00:39:54.940
I brought you a story a few shows ago about the University of Texas considering masculinity
00:40:04.120
Now, the Boy Scouts of America has had a membership drain.
00:40:06.920
They claim 2.3 million members down from 2.6 million five years ago.
00:40:11.260
That's basically over a 10% loss of members, almost a 15% membership loss over five years.
00:40:18.000
Pretty considerable to drop 3% of your members yearly.
00:40:21.640
And that considers, that includes rather the venturing and sea scouting programs.
00:40:26.300
The latter, sea scouting, I'd heard about it, don't know much about it, allows membership
00:40:32.440
In its peak years, the Boy Scouts had 4 million members.
00:40:36.120
Now, the Boy Scouts of America is saying that this is all about giving families the ease
00:40:44.160
of having male and female children enrolled in one program so parents don't have to run
00:40:48.720
Well, the Girl Scouts aren't happy about this because this is poaching their membership.
00:40:58.260
This is about normalizing transgender children, normalizing these far-left weirdo parents who,
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if their son at four years old picks up a pink teddy bear because it's a cute little teddy bear,
00:41:11.520
they say, oh, little Atticus is obviously gender neutral.
00:41:17.500
Let's let him wear a dress while he plays baseball.
00:41:20.240
It is akin to child abuse, and that's the traditional conservative in me.
00:41:28.200
But these people who force their children in transgenderism, I find that reprehensible.
00:41:33.720
I also find it very unsettling that now they want to force this on other people's kids.
00:41:39.740
The other thing that bothers me is that the left, the hypocritical left, hates the 1%, right?
00:41:45.800
The left despises the 1%, unless it's the 1% of people in the country who consider themselves
00:41:53.080
transgender, gender androgynous, what have you.
00:41:56.160
Then that 1%, that 1% should set policy for all others.
00:42:01.700
If it's the wealthy 1%, we should crush them, and we should enact policies for the 99%.
00:42:07.620
But if it's the 1% of transgenders or gender neutral people or gender ambiguous people,
00:42:12.760
well, then all policy for the other 99% should be set based on their agenda, their emotional
00:42:24.760
Taking the boys out of the Boy Scouts is disgraceful.
00:42:30.420
This is just the first step in that slow creep left, right?
00:42:37.380
Then the multicultural, not multicultural, but the alternative lifestyle curriculum will creep
00:42:53.920
Let's not go camping and fishing as Boy Scouts.
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Let's also go to ballet, and let's also go to a lecture on transgenderism given by a gay
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rights activist who at one point said that pedophilia is not a mental disorder and shouldn't
00:43:12.240
You know, that's what's going to wind up happening here.
00:43:13.800
I know I sound like I'm over the top, but this is the slow creep.
00:43:17.660
This is the slow creep towards normalizing alternative lifestyles of 1% for the other 99%.
00:43:25.200
This is the slow creep towards eradicating masculinity.
00:43:29.580
The Boy Scouts, by taking a young guy, a boy, camping and fishing, is teaching them two basic
00:43:43.860
You go to fish, you're providing food, you learn how to stake your tent, it's shelter.
00:44:00.440
It teaches you how to compete against other Boy Scouts, how to win that medal before they
00:44:13.360
What better way to do it than to take the boy out of Boy Scouts?
00:44:17.160
Now, there is precedent on a way to do this in a less destructive way.
00:44:22.140
The Boys and Girls Clubs of America used to be just the Boys Clubs of America.
00:44:25.320
They merged Boys and Girls Clubs so that parents who have kids of both genders can drop them
00:44:33.140
But the activities are things that boys would like to do and girls would like to do.
00:44:38.740
So the Boys and Girl Scouts could have gotten together and said, hey, let's make it the Boys
00:44:41.640
and Girl Scouts of America and have joint meetings.
00:44:49.540
Their agenda is to say to boys, it's horrible to be a male.
00:44:53.260
You should be ashamed of yourself to be a little boy, you budding rapist, you budding
00:45:02.260
Being a girl, well, if you're a girl and you think you're only a girl, that's pretty toxic
00:45:08.860
This is a far left, and I mean radical, far left alternative lifestyle creep.
00:45:14.780
Into a very traditional American institution, the Boy Scouts of America.
00:45:22.740
Look, there was a lot of hysteria a few years back with gay scout leaders.
00:45:27.700
Now, I don't understand why you would have to force gay scout leaders into the Boy Scouts.
00:45:39.300
If a scout leader comes into the Boy Scouts and they don't have children that are also
00:45:43.960
in the Boy Scouts in that troop, be that scout leader gay or straight, I would be a little
00:45:50.140
I would be a little concerned with why some random man wants to take a bunch of young boys
00:45:57.120
God forbid the Boy Scouts are allowed to shoot rifles anymore.
00:45:59.260
The whole lot of them will go to jail, and that we've taken that incredibly fun activity
00:46:06.920
Some scout troops still do it in the Midwest and all, but scout troops in bigger cities
00:46:16.340
But of course, we have to take that away from kids.
00:46:19.220
I would be very suspicious if some random, I don't have children, but if I did, some random
00:46:26.280
grown man without any kids in the troop wanted to take a bunch of young boys on a camping
00:46:33.980
trip away from their parents for the weekend, and if the other scout leader was also a single
00:46:39.040
man, just the whole thing is weird, all right, who had no kids in the troop.
00:46:42.420
I have friends who are scout leaders now, but they have kids.
00:46:45.580
The two guys I know, one has one son in the troop.
00:46:49.460
The other dads whose sons are in the troops are the other scout leaders.
00:46:55.220
Some random man, no matter their sexual orientation with no kids there, that is not, that is not
00:47:02.380
And there's something fundamentally, fundamentally wrong with that.
00:47:05.460
And I would caution, I would caution parents about keeping their kids in the Boy Scouts of
00:47:11.960
Quite frankly, I think these parents should pull their kids out of the scouts BSA.
00:47:32.320
The deep state, those entrenched bureaucrats, hysterical Donald Trump won the election, will
00:47:42.260
They tried to crush him in the general election.
00:47:43.800
They tried to use a special counsel, and they're still trying to use a special counsel to bring
00:47:49.900
They're trying to use porn stars with bogus allegations.
00:47:54.080
If they can't take Trump out, they can't end his presidency.
00:47:58.000
Well, they're going to do everything they can to stall his agenda.
00:48:01.180
A news story from Fox News holds a lot of water to me.
00:48:03.820
It's entitled, Deep State Has Weaponized Security Clearances Against Trump, Conservative Pentagon
00:48:11.700
And this lawyer, National Security Attorney Sean Begley, wrote that his client, Adam Lovinger,
00:48:18.260
This is from the Fox News story of the ongoing war against Trump appointees.
00:48:22.100
Lovinger served for more than a decade as a Pentagon strategist before being tapped to become
00:48:28.860
Now, this charge comes less than a month after Senator Rand Paul revealed that two romantically
00:48:34.760
linked FBI officials, Peter Stroke and Lisa Page, they'll have their security clearances.
00:48:43.820
According to the attorney, Bigley, the Pentagon cited only, quote, specious and constantly evolving
00:48:50.500
claims of misconduct, end quote, against his client to justify the punishment of suspending
00:48:56.580
his security clearance, causing him to lose the National Security Council post.
00:49:01.660
Now, they've failed to provide, the government has failed to provide any specific evidence
00:49:06.880
And Lovinger, this guy who's worked honorably in the Department of Defense, who was supposed
00:49:10.980
to go over to the NSC, remains on administrative leave.
00:49:14.380
His attorney writes, quote, one of Mr. Lovinger's alleged transgressions was that Pentagon officials
00:49:21.780
had improperly marked an academic report he took about an airplane for reading.
00:49:30.820
So what they're saying is that they had marked it classified enough for him not to bring on
00:49:39.840
Glory goes on to say, quote, in Mr. Lovinger's case, those weaponizing the security clearance
00:49:45.020
process include a senior official who remains on the job despite publicly disparaging President
00:49:52.080
Trump as unfit to lead, a Pentagon attorney who instructed colleagues on the importance
00:49:57.020
of concealing retaliatory motives behind their actions, and the Defense Department security
00:50:02.940
adjudications chief who persisted in advancing the false allegations.
00:50:06.900
They and other unelected partisans are quietly usurping presidential prerogatives to a litany
00:50:14.820
of seemingly small but slowly compounding abuses of bureaucratic power.
00:50:22.580
I believe this because I'm hearing it from many, many people.
00:50:25.920
I watched two friends of mine, federal agents with stellar careers, who made their political
00:50:33.380
They're big Trump supporters, big conservatives.
00:50:35.260
They're in federal law enforcement agencies and battled one.
00:50:42.020
And for the first time in their multi-decade careers, days in one case and a week after
00:50:47.780
for the for in another case, they were pulled in to have their security clearances re-evaluated
00:50:55.560
I believe it's retaliation for being a Trump supporter.
00:51:07.560
As I'm reading information on this case, it appears to have legs.
00:51:11.880
This guy appears to be being punished because he's a Trump supporter, because he was invited
00:51:19.520
We're seeing Trump's appointees stalled in Congress.
00:51:22.580
We're seeing many, many people have their security clearance investigation stalled, halted,
00:51:31.660
If you can't take Trump out on bogus allegations of collusion, if you can't take him out on
00:51:37.320
bogus allegations of obstruction of justice, well, what better way to halt his agenda and
00:51:42.160
to stall his nominees and not allow him to have people in place with the proper clearances