Rebel News Podcast - Oilpatch Advocacy Goes To Ottawa

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00:01:15.520 Anti-oil politicians driving gas-guzzling cars and taking oil patch advocacy all the way to Ottawa.

00:01:30.780 That's what we're talking about tonight.

00:01:32.320 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:01:35.160 It's been a little while since I checked in with my friend Robbie Picard from Oil Sand Strong,

00:01:58.900 and I was poking around on his social media the other day,

00:02:03.280 and I saw that he's doing some collaborative work with someone that I'm a very big fan of.

00:02:08.980 No relation, Aaron Gunn.

00:02:11.480 Now, Aaron Gunn's been a longtime advocate of Canadian Natural Resources,

00:02:14.800 and he's also someone who is considering a run for politics,

00:02:17.740 a run for the leadership of the B.C. Liberal Party.

00:02:20.920 And before you get all excited, it's not at all like the Federal Liberal Party,

00:02:24.780 but the B.C. Liberal Party is more like a hybrid of right-of-centre politicians.

00:02:30.800 Robbie tells me that he's ready to take the fight for Canadian oil and gas all the way to Ottawa,

00:02:36.720 but this time in a more permanent way, something more than just a one-time rally.

00:02:42.020 Now, here's Robbie in an interview we recorded Monday morning

00:02:45.180 to talk about his future plans for the fight for Alberta.

00:02:50.920 Joining me now is my friend Robbie Picard from Oil Sand Strong,

00:03:07.240 and he's giving us an update on his latest activism in the Canadian oil and gas sector.

00:03:13.040 Hey, Robbie, long time, no talk, both in our personal lives and on the show,

00:03:18.460 and I'm sorry about that.

00:03:19.780 But I saw over the weekend that you were out and about with Oil Sand Strong sweatshirts,

00:03:27.260 and you were doing some filming with some prominent, I guess, former politicians,

00:03:32.120 and then some prominent prospective politicians and oil and gas activists.

00:03:39.460 Yeah, so Aaron Gunn and I have been, you know, friends and kind of, I guess,

00:03:45.320 colleagues for quite a few years, and we've spoken at some of the same events,

00:03:48.320 and he called me and said he was coming to Fort McMurray,

00:03:51.540 and it kind of reminded me of when Ezra was here when I very first started,

00:03:55.680 and I gave Ezra the full tour.

00:03:58.600 And not to toot my own horn, but when I'm motivated enough, I believe in the cause.

00:04:04.260 I'm one of the most connected people in Fort McMurray,

00:04:06.120 so I decided I would, you know, help plan his show, and it was turning to be a lot of fun.

00:04:13.660 And to be candid, he kind of inspired me a little bit, so we went out and looked at some of the plants.

00:04:19.260 We found some Indigenous leaders, like Bill Lute from the Métis.

00:04:23.440 I showed him some restaurants that, you know, were trying to reinvent themselves during COVID.

00:04:30.420 Brian Jean took us on a jet boat, and then Brian Jean got a little bit cocky on the jet boat

00:04:35.500 and decided to show off so we could see a beaver.

00:04:38.460 And then all of our camera gear got doused in water.

00:04:42.400 It was a blast, an absolute blast.

00:04:45.660 And I do some work with Brian, like, for his businesses.

00:04:50.680 And it was nice to see, you know, Brian just talk about how much he loves Fort McMurray.

00:04:56.200 I mean, he grew up in Fort McMurray.

00:04:57.700 This is his home.

00:04:59.340 And everybody that we did interviews with, one of my friends, Jonathan Glosky,

00:05:03.720 I mean, a young Métis entrepreneur, owns multiple little businesses and big businesses.

00:05:08.580 And everyone was just so inspired to get back on the message of getting our oil to market

00:05:16.680 and stop this absolute insane hypocrisy that the so-called environmentalists are trying to make us,

00:05:26.320 you know, the medicine they're trying to make us drink or eat or whatever, forced down our throats.

00:05:31.860 I mean, so I got inspired.

00:05:33.720 And then I remembered, see, one of the things that I, in my trying to be non-partisan,

00:05:39.620 I'm very hesitant to be going after, like, liberals or any party,

00:05:44.160 unless it's something as blatantly hypocrisy as. 0.99

00:05:47.300 I don't give a crap if the NDP leader wore his mask or not. 1.00

00:05:52.400 I'm so over this mask bullshit. 0.99

00:05:54.480 But I do care that he drove a BMW. 0.98

00:05:57.660 And I find that the people that support the NDP federally,

00:06:02.620 I'm going to be very clear when I say federally,

00:06:04.760 and that support the Green Party federally,

00:06:08.520 are really being sold a bunch of falsehoods.

00:06:12.680 When their leader is driving a Beamer.

00:06:16.900 And I have nothing against someone owning a Beamer.

00:06:19.700 But it's the hypocrisy.

00:06:21.180 Go get yourself, you know, like, a Firefly, Jagmeet. 1.00

00:06:26.320 Drive a Firefly.

00:06:27.480 If you're going to have to drive a gas car because you can't get an electric car right now,

00:06:30.960 or, you know, or Tesla's not reliable in Ottawa or whatever,

00:06:35.200 go get, like, a Firefly or a Ford Focus even.

00:06:38.580 Not a BMW.

00:06:39.820 I mean, you're the leader of the party that supposedly broke

00:06:42.800 that doesn't want to call an election right away because he can't afford it.

00:06:45.540 And he's driving a BMW.

00:06:48.620 I mean, I'm just blown away by this.

00:06:50.300 And Elizabeth May taking selfies with her daughter on a private jet.

00:06:55.000 The insanity of this.

00:06:57.340 They do not practice what they preach.

00:07:00.400 This climate emergency, climate crisis,

00:07:02.520 this stuff they're trying to force down our throats. 1.00

00:07:05.680 It's bullshit. 1.00

00:07:06.880 They simply are trying to keep their privileged lifestyles. 1.00

00:07:11.540 And I got a big kick out of it because even before he's saying,

00:07:15.340 well, you know, we need big companies to give more to the people.

00:07:19.240 Humble yourself, Jagmeet.

00:07:20.660 You have a big house.

00:07:21.660 I mean, that was a big house.

00:07:22.560 I don't know whose house it is.

00:07:23.400 I think they should at least get 10 homeless people to move in with them.

00:07:26.680 Find some homeless people.

00:07:27.860 Say, give them some room.

00:07:29.220 There's plenty of room in Jagmeet's house, right?

00:07:31.120 And honestly, I mean, I mean, he could, if he asked to drive the BMW,

00:07:35.860 I mean, I don't know, like, so be it.

00:07:38.180 But, I mean, practice what you preach.

00:07:40.220 And so that's just on a side note.

00:07:43.120 But the real reason that I wanted to talk to you today was I've decided that

00:07:46.100 as soon as this COVID stuff is over,

00:07:48.520 which I'm guessing will be a couple more months,

00:07:51.300 I am going to Ottawa and I'm going to be starting a mini documentary.

00:07:56.800 And I'm going to be setting up a shop in Ottawa where we sell our Oil Sand Strong merch.

00:08:04.060 And I'm going to try and find out who made that tweet where they called our organization

00:08:09.720 white supremacists.

00:08:11.200 And I'd like to interview that person because I think they're a lot like Jagmeet Zin,

00:08:16.560 where they are out of touch, incredibly rich and privileged.

00:08:22.500 And they are, they need to have a little bit more of a common sense education on the rest

00:08:31.380 of the country.

00:08:32.660 And I mean, this country is not fair.

00:08:35.260 I just made a post on Oil Sand Strong today calling that out.

00:08:39.200 And one of the things that I think that we need to look at here is that Ontario and Quebec,

00:08:45.280 because they have bigger populations, they determine our entire future for the country.

00:08:52.280 That's not fair.

00:08:53.220 Even New Zealand now is balancing the power to regions to give some equality.

00:08:57.960 This country needs equality.

00:09:00.020 We can't get the same upper class privileged people over and over again.

00:09:04.300 And they come and they're like, oh, we care about the people.

00:09:07.460 I think we need to have some serious discussion if we're going to still stay as a country

00:09:11.460 on making Canada more equal.

00:09:14.800 And Alberta is the heart, the economic driving force of this country that pumps the economic

00:09:22.840 blood through all the veins of this country.

00:09:25.220 And we get very little respect.

00:09:27.400 And I think that needs to change.

00:09:29.200 So what are your intentions then?

00:09:31.900 I guess, is it because the politicians won't come to Fort McMurray to see firsthand what Fort

00:09:37.820 McMurray is all about?

00:09:38.780 You're bringing Fort McMurray to them permanently?

00:09:42.340 We've had, like, yeah, I think so.

00:09:44.480 We've had a few politicians here to give us lip service periodically.

00:09:48.820 But this is more for the bureaucrats in Ottawa.

00:09:51.780 This is more for the people in Ottawa who benefit from fossil fuels every single day,

00:09:57.720 but they don't quite understand it.

00:09:59.960 I think, you know, we're going to give stickers out.

00:10:02.560 We're going to do like we did back in the day.

00:10:04.640 Maybe I'll do a protest outside of an Ottawa Tim Hortons.

00:10:07.800 I mean, I'm going to go back to my roots.

00:10:09.140 And but I think it's very important that they that they understand that what happens in Fort McMurray with our oil and gas industry powers the entire country.

00:10:21.600 And they're not above it.

00:10:23.220 And they're consuming just as much carbon as the rest of us, even if they drive electric cars.

00:10:29.060 Everything comes from oil.

00:10:30.680 And while we sit here and infight and act like immature children, we are holding back billions upon billions upon billions of dollars to make our country better, make their lives better, too.

00:10:43.740 And what they do is they benefit from our oil and gas and they live the lives of upper class or let's say, like, you know, middle upper class, upper middle class, like Jagney with his beautiful BMW with the dual exhaust.

00:11:01.080 I think they need to wake up call on where that money really comes from and they need to understand there's this country's bigger than Quebec and Ontario and the Ottawa bubble needs to be burst a little bit.

00:11:13.240 I'd be happier if Winnipeg was our capital.

00:11:15.960 I think that would be geographically a better place than Ottawa.

00:11:18.780 It's a little bit more central to the country.

00:11:20.500 I think it would provide some balance, too, because it's got that sort of a little bit of east meets west and it's on the prairie and it's not that far removed from its agricultural roots.

00:11:32.140 Excuse me.

00:11:33.000 But I wanted to ask you, do you think that it is some of the misconceptions about the oil and gas sector?

00:11:42.600 And I'm glad that you touched on the fact that the Liberal Association for Carleton called oil stands strong white supremacists.

00:11:52.900 Do you think that it is willful ignorance?

00:11:56.940 Like, do they know better, but they but they just don't care or are they truly ignorant about the social and societal impacts that the oil and gas sector has on indigenous communities?

00:12:08.020 Because that's one of the things that you're such a strong advocate for, is telling the stories of indigenous communities that are benefiting from oil and gas.

00:12:16.540 I would argue that people at the very top, they know what's going on.

00:12:20.820 And to this day, I still don't understand their political motives because it just doesn't make sense.

00:12:24.720 So there clearly is more going on.

00:12:26.240 If I was, you know, in a position where I was the prime minister, I'd say, OK, like my job is to make this entire country hum like a motor and I need to make it run its best possible.

00:12:38.200 And I would work on each and every one of those coast to coast.

00:12:41.840 And I would try to build bridges and understand each region.

00:12:45.720 And so but I would argue the people that are under the leadership, I don't think they know, per se, because I know that when we've gone out there before, we've given out flyers and stuff and explained to them, like, we only produce 0.15 of global emissions.

00:12:59.920 And you guys are importing oil from Saudi Arabia anyway.

00:13:03.700 You're still using oil every single day.

00:13:06.480 They sometimes are a little naive to that.

00:13:08.900 So I think that they need a little bit of an education.

00:13:11.200 And I mean, you can only do so much on Facebook and graphics and websites.

00:13:16.060 Sometimes I think you need to be in there in the flesh.

00:13:19.420 Now, I've seen some pressure right now sort of towards Justin Trudeau.

00:13:25.160 Now that we're coming out of the fog of COVID and restrictions are lifting, there's still this pressure for the federal government to use COVID to rewrite the economy in this green way.

00:13:40.800 That sort of leaves oil and gas out of the equation.

00:13:43.160 This is, for lack of a better term, their great reset on oil and gas that they don't, they can sort of leave it in the dust and use COVID as a way to do that.

00:13:54.820 I guess, how do we, how do we change that?

00:13:56.960 Because there are a lot of well-meaning people who are saying, yeah, that's a great idea.

00:14:01.080 Now's our, now's our moment in time.

00:14:03.300 And how do you, as an activist, sort of flip the script there?

00:14:08.380 See, you know, I have a, I have a theory on this.

00:14:11.160 And I think that as hard as they try with this green reset nonsense, it's just impossible to have happen.

00:14:21.180 They're just not going to be able to do it.

00:14:23.320 So you're going to go back to oil and gas by default.

00:14:26.320 Oil prices are already happening.

00:14:28.160 Our mission is to try to educate the average people so that at least they come on board and support us, finish the Trans Mountain pipeline and try to get Energy East built.

00:14:40.620 And that's what's truly slowing us.

00:14:42.300 It's not the fact that, like, I mean, we're going to need oil for at least the next 50 to 75 years.

00:14:47.700 I get a big kick out of this notion that we're somehow going to get rid of it.

00:14:54.280 Like, it's not happening.

00:14:56.280 So we just need to get the average person like we had before.

00:14:59.920 We were on a, we were on a roll.

00:15:01.440 We were doing all these rallies and the entire country was supporting pipelines, pipelines, pipelines.

00:15:05.680 And then our group and then that other group, they got into that rival convoy and we lost our, our, our oomph.

00:15:14.360 And we need to get our oomph back.

00:15:15.820 And our oomph is the fact is, hey, as long as the world needs oil, as long as you use gasoline, as long as you're living your lives, brushing your teeth or anything, you know, the oil, if you're going to need it, it should come from Canada.

00:15:31.660 And we are losing out as a country.

00:15:34.700 I mean, for all the nonsense of Biden and Kamala Harris and all that, the United States is still the largest producer of oil.

00:15:42.340 We have the second largest, or sorry, the third largest proven reserve, but I would argue that we have way more than we haven't even found yet.

00:15:50.140 So we have, we're sitting really good here.

00:15:52.060 And if we develop our resources in a responsible way, we can make this country better for generations to come.

00:15:57.900 We just have to stop the insanity of all these people who think that they're somehow environmentalists and they're green when they're really not.

00:16:07.240 And that's, we need to get like, listen, like, let's push this country forward.

00:16:10.520 I've never been against solar or wind.

00:16:13.120 I'm against the, just the insanity.

00:16:15.220 Like, if you have a solar power plant that is backed up by a natural gas, it's not really solar.

00:16:23.000 And let's just be honest, you can't make a solar panel without fossil fuels.

00:16:26.220 And here's the other thing, too, I was thinking about this.

00:16:29.360 Maybe the way we're doing it isn't that bad.

00:16:31.720 But maybe if we start mining all these rare earth minerals and, like, they're doing in other countries and making all these giant strip mines and open pit mines that they're not doing reclamation on, maybe you're going to end the world a lot quicker than if you just say, okay, look, we've got good things going here with our natural resources right now.

00:16:51.960 So let's develop them.

00:16:53.420 Let's plant more trees.

00:16:54.660 Let's do carbon capture.

00:16:56.820 I mean, I kind of got motivated on my tour with Aaron because even myself, I mean, with everything going on, I haven't done a reclamation tour in a while.

00:17:04.380 I mean, the reclamation that the sites have done is stunning.

00:17:08.120 I mean, it's stunning.

00:17:09.620 You don't see that in other countries.

00:17:11.520 We are doing the right thing.

00:17:13.640 And we are, and every time we get better at it.

00:17:16.160 So, I mean, the rest of this country needs to wake up and recession-proof Ottawa needs to have a little bit of an awakening.

00:17:25.940 And I really, like, I find myself just almost angry at the amount of the bureaucrats that just get paychecks no matter what happens in the world.

00:17:37.100 And then they make decisions that affect the rest of us.

00:17:39.900 And I think that that's something that people on the, you know, in the West need to start being more vocal about.

00:17:45.380 We, just because our population is not as big as Ontario and Quebec's, doesn't mean that we shouldn't have equal representation.

00:17:53.260 We should.

00:17:53.980 We should be able to be treated with fairness and respect.

00:17:57.000 And we're not.

00:17:57.920 We get a lot of lip service.

00:18:00.260 I mean, Alberta is arguably the, you know, has given this country the most.

00:18:05.440 And what say do we have?

00:18:07.220 Ontario and Quebec can insult us.

00:18:09.300 You know, the premier of Quebec can say, you know, our oil is dirty. 1.00

00:18:12.000 And, I mean, it's ridiculous.

00:18:14.560 And I just think that we really need to, as Albertans and people from Western Canada, including BC, Saskatchewan and Manitoba, we need a stronger voice.

00:18:24.620 It's not right.

00:18:25.420 I mean, the representation of the Maritimes for, like, they have way more seats than their population.

00:18:30.800 It's just not, it's just that side of the country determines the entire future.

00:18:36.780 And I don't believe that that is fair or ethical.

00:18:39.360 And we need to have better representation.

00:18:43.400 Now, while you are thinking about addressing the problem with Ottawa, I guess my next question is for you.

00:18:52.720 Yes, I agree.

00:18:53.640 There's definitely a problem with Ottawa.

00:18:55.200 I'm the first one to point to it.

00:18:56.340 But I think there's also a problem with American politicians misunderstanding what we do here in Alberta.

00:19:03.840 For example, Gretchen Whitmer, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris.

00:19:10.100 Are you willing, I guess, to take the fight to them, to their doorstep?

00:19:16.340 Well, 100%.

00:19:17.220 I mean, I almost did when they were fighting the tech mine in Washington, and Jane Fonda was there.

00:19:26.000 And you know that I have a black belt in defending myself against Jane Fonda.

00:19:29.900 And I almost went to Washington 100%.

00:19:33.980 I'll meet with them.

00:19:35.620 I have some contacts there that I have been wanting to reach out to.

00:19:38.200 The problem, though, is that, and the truth of the matter is, the reason that they're so anti-oil and gas has a lot to do with Naomi Klein when she wrote the Green New Deal, which is a different version of the Leap Manifesto.

00:19:50.780 And she got with AOC, and they pushed that agenda forward.

00:19:55.900 And then I think the Democrats leaned on it.

00:19:58.380 I don't, yeah, we need to spend a lot of time in the states.

00:20:01.520 We need to spend a ton of time trying to find common ground.

00:20:05.280 We have a ton of common ground in the states already.

00:20:07.400 Like, one of the things that surprised me is I had, like, make your profile pic like this.

00:20:12.900 And 250,000 people made their profile pic the same as ours, and most of them were American.

00:20:19.340 So I found that quite interesting.

00:20:21.480 So there is a lot of support down there.

00:20:23.600 And to build a better world and, you know, instead of supporting crazy dictators, Canada and the United States should work better to get our oil to market.

00:20:34.240 And I think that the Americans could benefit greatly with energy security.

00:20:39.660 The problem is that, you know, it's just we need to be assertive.

00:20:44.920 And, like, and the fights, they come up all the time.

00:20:47.760 I mean, look at Michigan right now.

00:20:48.860 What's going to come of that?

00:20:50.520 It may never happen.

00:20:51.900 But why do we have to go through just the sheer stress of everything we have to go through all the time of fighting this and fighting that?

00:20:58.820 It's a lot.

00:20:59.600 And I think that's something we need to address.

00:21:03.000 Well, I think the fact that so many Americans changed their profile picture to oil sand strong speaks to the deficit of oil and gas activists like you in the United States.

00:21:13.600 They had a pretty good for a while down there with Trump, so they didn't have to really fight for their oil and gas sector.

00:21:18.400 And now, really, they're in the same boat as we are up against a federal government that wants to phase out their industry altogether.

00:21:26.040 Now, Robbie, you and I both have to go very quickly.

00:21:29.020 But please tell us how people can support the work that you're doing, particularly to bring the fight to Ottawa.

00:21:35.860 Okay, so just buy at least six shirts per person.

00:21:41.200 That's simple.

00:21:42.360 Or hoodies.

00:21:43.260 And go to oilsandstrong.com and order them.

00:21:46.280 And if you're in Fort McMurray, go to McMurrayTV or 4G Motorsports.

00:21:50.340 And we have stores in Red Deer now.

00:21:52.400 I don't have the names yet, but I'll be posting that very soon.

00:21:55.160 That'll be selling it.

00:21:55.760 We're going to try to have one store in every city to get our gear.

00:21:58.720 The gear's been moving like crazy since Pierre Polyev put it on.

00:22:03.180 So we want to keep going and, yeah, like we, the difference between us and the other groups is that we try to be nonpartisan, but we also are not scared of a fight.

00:22:14.640 We take on celebrities and we call it hypocrisy.

00:22:18.960 So, you know, and that's essentially it.

00:22:22.580 So hopefully this COVID is over soon and we can get back to living.

00:22:26.100 We're going to be doing rallies.

00:22:27.640 I'm going to be speaking across the country at different events and stuff.

00:22:31.160 But the main focus is to, like, before we go insane and try to somehow pretend oil is dead and it's not, we need to just say, like, look, let's build our country.

00:22:43.300 And by putting pipelines and building our resources, you're building a stronger country, protecting the environment and the economy simultaneously.

00:22:52.200 And that's the reality of what needs to be done.

00:22:54.740 And, yeah, and then just don't, you know, if you're going to drive a BMW, I mean, that's fine.

00:22:59.920 Maybe we should get, you know, I, okay, you know, I'm going to do an Ottawa.

00:23:03.260 I'm going to get an orange oil sand strong sticker in a circle.

00:23:07.160 I'm going to find that Beamer and I'll put it on there.

00:23:10.400 Well, Robbie, thank you so much for being on the show.

00:23:13.380 I know you are.

00:23:14.380 Robbie, thanks so much for being on the show.

00:23:16.400 We'll have you back on again really soon to check in on the progress of your new project.

00:23:21.480 Awesome.

00:23:22.600 Okay.

00:23:22.880 Thank you very much.

00:23:23.640 Always a pleasure.

00:23:24.740 I normally do my best to attribute ignorance as opposed to malice.

00:23:39.300 But I think when it comes to the battle against oil and gas development, which truly does mean the battle against Albertans' best interests, I think malice is rightly attributed.

00:23:51.960 I think by and large, most anti-oil activists and politicians at this point know exactly how reliant they are on oil and gas.

00:24:00.200 They just don't want to get it from us.

00:24:03.160 These people are colonial exploiters. 0.72

00:24:06.020 You see, they don't want the dirty work. 0.93

00:24:07.020 They don't want the dirty work of getting oil and gas done in their own backyards. 0.85

00:24:11.780 They'd rather offset that to some place that they don't have to look at, even though we in Alberta do oil and gas better and cleaner than anybody else on the entire planet.

00:24:23.760 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:24:26.380 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:24:28.360 I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.

00:24:31.760 And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:24:35.440 We'll be right back here in the same time.

Rebel News Podcast - June 10, 2021

Oilpatch Advocacy Goes To Ottawa

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