Rebel News Podcast - February 12, 2020


Omar Khadr: What happened after confronting this confessed, convicted Al-Qaida terrorist?


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Today, I go over the aftermath of my encounter with Omar Cotter in the airport and what I saw later that night at Dalhousie University, where he was the honoured guest of the Alumni association and Romeo Dallaire s Foundation.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. Today, I go over the aftermath of my encounter with Omar Cotter
00:00:05.540 in Halifax's International Airport and what I saw later that night at Dalhousie University.
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00:00:21.720 Okay, here's the podcast.
00:00:30.000 Tonight, a day after my encounter with Omar Cotter, what's changed? It's February 11th,
00:00:45.040 and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.
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00:00:52.640 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
00:00:56.540 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my
00:01:01.560 bloody right to do so.
00:01:07.880 Welcome back. I am back in Toronto. I was in Halifax for less than 24 hours. I went there,
00:01:14.960 as you know, last night to see Omar Cotter give his first college speech. I'm terrified
00:01:21.560 of the prospect of an Al-Qaeda terrorist. And again, that's not my opinion. He's a confessed, 0.79
00:01:27.240 convicted member of Al-Qaeda, a war criminal, a murderer, giving a campus speaking tour. He was at
00:01:35.260 a prestigious university. Dalhousie, he was the honored guest of the Alumni Association and
00:01:42.800 Romeo Dallaire's foundation. Dallaire, a former liberal senator and Canadian general, actually
00:01:48.540 introduced Omar Cotter as a magnificent man. It was grotesque, especially that young college
00:01:56.380 students, and there were actually high school students as well, in the audience being told
00:02:01.720 that Omar Cotter was some sort of hero. I flew there, and as I told you yesterday,
00:02:07.620 I was startled to see Omar Cotter himself on the airplane, just a few rows in front of me. I
00:02:14.380 didn't see him as I came in because he ducked, but I saw him as we all left to go out. And I
00:02:20.220 accosted him in the airport. It's a video that's had almost 150,000 views in the 24 hours since I
00:02:27.780 uploaded it. Here, just refresh your memory.
00:02:32.540 Can I have a word? Can I talk to you for a minute?
00:02:37.420 Can you take a selfie together?
00:02:39.380 If you want.
00:02:41.020 Yeah.
00:02:41.660 Can I ask you a couple questions?
00:02:44.260 Can I ask, how did you get on the plane? I thought you were on the no-fly list.
00:02:47.820 This is exactly what we figured would happen. Why don't we go ahead and walk away from
00:02:51.180 But why don't you, why don't you, but how, but aren't you on the no-fly list?
00:02:57.220 Is there security?
00:02:58.820 For me or for him?
00:03:00.060 For filming a person when, when that's really not an okay thing to do.
00:03:03.280 Can I ask you why you won't let the, the widow have access to some of the money you got?
00:03:13.480 Excuse me, officer, he's harassing us.
00:03:15.040 He's not harassing anybody.
00:03:16.740 That's a convicted al-Qaeda terrorist right there who just flew on an airplane.
00:03:21.180 Okay, sir, well, he's entitled to do what?
00:03:24.980 He's entitled to leave the airport.
00:03:26.920 Yeah.
00:03:27.200 That's good, thanks.
00:03:29.440 Excuse me, sir.
00:03:30.820 Well, it's assault. Get your hands off me. 1.00
00:03:40.020 Why have you never renounced your father's terrorism?
00:03:42.900 I don't understand why this is allowed.
00:03:43.540 Why have you never renounced your father's terrorism?
00:03:45.280 Okay, just walk.
00:03:46.140 We need to go.
00:03:46.840 Because we're not under Sharia law.
00:03:48.740 Let's just walk to the park.
00:03:50.560 Come on.
00:03:51.180 Where have you stashed the rest of the money?
00:03:56.040 Why don't you feel an obligation to pay money to the widow whose husband you murdered and the two children?
00:04:02.040 This is an airport.
00:04:03.000 There's a public, public place.
00:04:04.760 Exactly.
00:04:04.900 That's why I'm filming.
00:04:05.680 Sir, I'm working for a move.
00:04:08.500 Sir.
00:04:11.380 What are you doing?
00:04:11.740 You're proximate.
00:04:12.340 She's touching me.
00:04:13.080 That's battery.
00:04:14.000 No, it's not.
00:04:14.860 Yes, it is, actually.
00:04:15.600 Sir, you go ahead.
00:04:16.240 My hands are...
00:04:17.060 That's a terrorist.
00:04:17.980 That's an al-Qaeda terrorist right there.
00:04:19.880 Sir.
00:04:20.140 Al-Qaeda terrorist.
00:04:21.760 It's an al-Qaeda terrorist right there.
00:04:24.100 Okay.
00:04:24.520 Al-Qaeda terrorist right there.
00:04:25.960 Okay.
00:04:26.460 Go ahead.
00:04:26.940 Just go on.
00:04:28.700 Okay, sir.
00:04:29.580 Yeah.
00:04:29.780 Sir?
00:04:30.140 Yeah.
00:04:30.640 Sir?
00:04:31.160 Yes.
00:04:32.700 Yes?
00:04:33.880 Why are you touching me?
00:04:34.560 You're impeding someone from leaving the building.
00:04:36.240 No, I'm not.
00:04:36.600 You're impeding me from leaving the building.
00:04:38.180 What's your name and badge number?
00:04:39.220 I'll give you my card, sir.
00:04:40.160 Okay?
00:04:40.280 Give it to me.
00:04:40.980 I will give it to you, sir.
00:04:59.580 You're very close to being arrested.
00:05:01.300 You understand me?
00:05:01.840 And you're very close to getting a civil lawsuit.
00:05:03.900 for assault and battery.
00:05:08.340 Don't jaywalk, sir.
00:05:12.900 Last walk back there, okay?
00:05:15.660 Am I clear?
00:05:20.760 Don't jaywalk. 0.99
00:05:23.220 What are you stepping on me for?
00:05:27.180 Doing your job, sir.
00:05:28.220 Doing your job.
00:05:28.860 And what job is that?
00:05:30.180 Keeping the public safe.
00:05:31.280 Whose safety was in breach there?
00:05:34.700 Everyone's safety, sir.
00:05:35.520 You're a goddamn liar, and you know it.
00:05:37.900 You're a disgrace to that badge, and you're a disgrace.
00:05:40.720 I'm proud of what I do, sir.
00:05:41.440 You're proud of defending a terrorist?
00:05:43.300 I'm proud of keeping people safe, sir.
00:05:45.160 Safe from whom?
00:05:46.020 I thought that was incredible, not just that Cotter was so brazen.
00:05:54.180 I mean, smiling, standing there, not a care in the world.
00:05:57.260 What did he care if I was asking him a few questions?
00:06:00.440 The guy's worth $10.5 million.
00:06:02.580 He's being invited to speak at university campuses, an honored guest, being called a magnificent man.
00:06:09.160 I'm the one being hustled away by police and threatened with arrest.
00:06:14.380 Wouldn't you be smiling from ear to ear if you were him?
00:06:17.700 The irony that I was threatened with a jaywalking arrest while someone who had just murdered an American was the guest of honor, given the key to the city.
00:06:28.420 I found that quite startling.
00:06:30.840 But again, my main purpose lay ahead.
00:06:33.620 I wanted to see what Omar Cotter would say.
00:06:35.960 I went to the event at Dalhousie, and I had paid in advance for the ticket.
00:06:42.560 I had received confirmation just really hours earlier that I was indeed admitted.
00:06:48.620 I paid my money.
00:06:49.520 Of course, I paid money to fly to Halifax to buy a hotel room for the night because of the hour of the event.
00:06:54.800 And when I approached, I was immediately targeted by a whack of campus security and Halifax police who said I couldn't come in.
00:07:07.200 I had a ticket.
00:07:07.900 I had flown in.
00:07:08.640 I was banned.
00:07:10.380 No reason at all other than, I suppose, I had the wrong opinions.
00:07:15.620 I argued with them for about 15 minutes.
00:07:19.140 Here's some lowlights of how that went.
00:07:21.440 Okay, I bought a ticket.
00:07:24.000 Not a problem.
00:07:24.720 Just wait and see.
00:07:25.740 Just wait one second.
00:07:26.720 We'll come in.
00:07:27.240 So there is a problem?
00:07:28.300 It's not a problem.
00:07:29.060 It's okay.
00:07:29.520 We'll just wait one second.
00:07:30.640 We'll just wait.
00:07:31.260 We'll have some people here come speak to you.
00:07:33.700 Well, I don't want to speak to them.
00:07:35.180 I want to go in.
00:07:36.320 Sure.
00:07:36.640 Not a problem.
00:07:37.160 Okay.
00:07:37.540 We've been asked to inform you that you're not welcome here tonight.
00:07:42.160 By whom?
00:07:42.740 I know the terrorist doesn't want me, but I'm not going to leave because I've done nothing
00:07:46.780 wrong.
00:07:47.160 I've paid for the ticket and I have not caused a disturbance.
00:07:51.300 I've not broken any rules.
00:07:53.080 And the fact that a terrorist might not want me here is not of interest to me.
00:07:58.360 Sir, are you going to ask him to leave?
00:08:00.100 I'm not leaving.
00:08:01.260 Are you refusing to leave?
00:08:03.480 Yeah.
00:08:03.880 What do you mean the university is not welcoming him?
00:08:10.440 I got an email from you as recently as yesterday saying it was fine.
00:08:13.920 Yes.
00:08:14.500 I understand that.
00:08:16.280 I think you're lying.
00:08:17.380 Who told you?
00:08:18.300 You're making this up.
00:08:19.660 No, I'm not making this up.
00:08:20.380 Well, show me your authority.
00:08:22.300 You don't speak for this event.
00:08:24.100 I want your names.
00:08:24.920 What's your name?
00:08:26.140 Why won't you tell me your name?
00:08:27.200 It's a little cowardly.
00:08:29.100 Are you running this event here today?
00:08:30.860 Yes.
00:08:31.200 So these guys say I'm kicked out and I say I have a written confirmation that I'm not
00:08:36.160 and I say I've done nothing wrong.
00:08:38.380 I'm well behaved as everyone knows.
00:08:40.460 I'm extremely polite as everyone knows.
00:08:42.620 And I even had a shower so I'm smelling fresh.
00:08:44.680 So why are you kicking me out?
00:08:45.800 Are you recording?
00:08:46.940 Yes, I am.
00:08:47.440 No, you shouldn't.
00:08:48.660 I'm recording a breach of contract.
00:08:50.160 You shouldn't.
00:08:50.340 So this is evidence.
00:08:51.660 I'm not going to record in there.
00:08:53.020 We may have to hand you over to the security to do that.
00:08:55.400 I'm right here.
00:08:56.040 I couldn't be closer if he was touching me.
00:08:58.200 I mean, we're practically bosom buddies.
00:08:59.520 He's about four inches taller than me, but now we're a spitting image.
00:09:03.980 I'm sort of embarrassed you're wearing those medals at an event with a guy who murdered allies.
00:09:09.700 I respect the fact that you earned those medals.
00:09:12.040 I find it bizarre that you would stand on guard for a terrorist war criminal al-Qaeda murderer.
00:09:18.140 I'm interested in getting in.
00:09:19.400 I'm happy to follow the rules.
00:09:21.760 But you've put me through ten minutes of embarrassment.
00:09:23.900 Sir, what do you want?
00:09:27.060 Would you like to go in, sir?
00:09:28.160 I would.
00:09:28.700 All right.
00:09:29.020 And will you let me in?
00:09:29.940 Yes.
00:09:30.400 All right.
00:09:30.720 Thank you.
00:09:32.320 I was intransigent.
00:09:33.760 I mean, really, at that point, I thought, if they're really going to arrest me and handcuff me, let that happen.
00:09:40.280 Let that be the message from Dalhousie, a place that literally arrests journalists, citizens with no criminal record at all.
00:09:50.380 I hadn't done it.
00:09:51.220 I had just walked in.
00:09:52.760 I hadn't caused a disturbance or anything.
00:09:54.980 And imagine if they had actually arrested me that night while giving an evening of honors to an al-Qaeda terrorist.
00:10:05.160 I presume that's what made them change at the last minute.
00:10:08.700 They really were counting on me to be submissive and walk myself out.
00:10:13.960 But I've decided I've had it with that.
00:10:16.920 I'd say I don't like butting heads with police.
00:10:19.080 I'd say I grew up in a family.
00:10:20.520 The police were regarded at the absolute top of the heap in terms of people you should respect, even people you should obey.
00:10:29.360 These days, I find both of those hard to do as police become increasingly political.
00:10:35.340 I want to say that when I was on the airplane, as I told you yesterday,
00:10:40.040 I talked to both the flight attendant and the co-pilot who genuinely seemed completely surprised by what I had revealed to them.
00:10:48.460 I was reached out to by Air Canada on Twitter who asked for more details and never got back to me once I sent them a quick note.
00:10:57.740 I think that Air Canada was a victim here, certainly not a perpetrator.
00:11:02.960 My theory, after talking to some others with some experience in government,
00:11:07.400 is that Justin Trudeau most likely took Omar Khadr off the no-fly list as part of a secret package of gifts to him,
00:11:18.440 in addition to the public ones we know about.
00:11:21.020 As you recall, a couple of years ago, Justin Trudeau gave Omar Khadr a $10.5 million check, a public apology.
00:11:28.540 He arranged the check to evade the family of Christopher Speer, the U.S. Army medic murdered by Khadr.
00:11:36.000 However, obviously there were other things that the public didn't learn about.
00:11:40.600 I suspect that taking Khadr off the no-fly list was one of them,
00:11:44.200 something that I'm not sure how Air Canada feels about,
00:11:47.220 either as a corporation or from a customer service point of view,
00:11:52.160 or even from the safety of their own staff, pilots and flight attendants.
00:11:56.860 Would you feel comfortable being a flight attendant knowing that an Al-Qaeda member,
00:12:01.000 not just a timid member, but someone who actually murdered, is flying on a plane?
00:12:07.280 And we were flying from Toronto to Halifax,
00:12:09.400 but I happen to know that Air Canada flies daily from Toronto to Tel Aviv.
00:12:14.420 That's a big airplane full of Jews. 1.00
00:12:17.020 That's a juicy target for an Al-Qaeda terrorist.
00:12:20.780 Would Omar Khadr simply be allowed to board that flight?
00:12:23.020 Of course, in Israel, he would be turned around and sent back.
00:12:27.460 But who led him on the plane?
00:12:29.840 Justin Trudeau, that's who.
00:12:31.780 I find it troubling that that would be the case.
00:12:34.840 And I hope that Air Canada takes steps.
00:12:37.140 I can tell you that in the last day, I've been in touch with some friends that I made
00:12:41.080 when I wrote my book about Omar Khadr called
00:12:42.980 The Enemy Within, Terror Lies and the Whitewashing of Omar Khadr.
00:12:46.700 And I made some friends in the Pentagon and in the United States,
00:12:49.540 and in fact, a friend close to the White House,
00:12:52.260 who were very interested in counterterrorism.
00:12:54.820 They were startled by the story.
00:12:57.840 And I can tell you that both the counterterrorism desk at the White House,
00:13:01.780 as well as the Pentagon, are now aware that Omar Khadr flew over U.S. airspace.
00:13:08.440 Here's a map of the route of Flight 608 that I was on with Omar Khadr yesterday.
00:13:14.040 As you can see, the geography of the border, the United States juts up.
00:13:19.680 I think that's the state of Vermont.
00:13:21.000 We flew across U.S. airspace for about an hour, by my estimate.
00:13:26.440 Not only is that against Omar Khadr's plea deal,
00:13:30.200 but again, what does al-Qaeda do on airplanes in New England?
00:13:35.480 I mean, God forbid, may it never happen.
00:13:37.380 I hate to even say the words.
00:13:38.580 But al-Qaeda especially, their horrific, macabre reputation and specialty, 0.99
00:13:44.600 is taking airplanes in New England and flying them into targets.
00:13:49.580 Why would Canada, and I'm not blaming Air Canada,
00:13:52.740 why would Canada, the country, Justin Trudeau, the prime minister,
00:13:55.980 permit Khadr to fly over U.S. airspace?
00:13:58.960 And how many times has he done so?
00:14:01.460 I mean, this is the first time I detected it,
00:14:04.460 but surely it's not the first time Khadr has flown.
00:14:07.380 He's been to Toronto before.
00:14:09.300 He's been around the country before.
00:14:12.220 How many times has he flown?
00:14:14.320 I find it deeply troubling.
00:14:16.760 I want to talk a little bit about
00:14:18.520 the reaction from other media to yesterday's events.
00:14:24.340 And by yesterday's events,
00:14:25.260 I mean my own accosting of Khadr in the airport
00:14:28.180 and the gala evening for Khadr itself.
00:14:32.500 First, in terms of the reaction by the public
00:14:35.500 that Omar Khadr is flying,
00:14:38.260 to me that's shocking news.
00:14:41.000 Would you like to get on a plane
00:14:42.180 and sit down next to a convicted, confessed al-Qaeda terrorist?
00:14:45.360 Would you feel comfortable?
00:14:46.940 I mean, forget about just him hijacking or blowing up the plane.
00:14:50.240 Would you feel comfortable to him being on the plane at all?
00:14:53.120 Well, Justin Trudeau doesn't have to fly
00:14:55.320 with a terrorist on his plane.
00:14:56.900 He flies on private jets.
00:14:59.060 Would you feel comfortable sitting down next to Omar Khadr?
00:15:02.760 Other than a few people chirping at me on Twitter,
00:15:05.800 I haven't seen a single news story
00:15:08.840 in the entire Canadian media party,
00:15:11.740 the entire legacy media,
00:15:13.660 about the fact that Omar Khadr is now flying on commercial planes.
00:15:17.960 Have you?
00:15:18.680 Maybe I missed it,
00:15:19.400 but I keep a pretty close eye on these things.
00:15:21.360 Not only do they not care,
00:15:23.920 if they care, they're thrilled about it.
00:15:27.300 They know they just better not mention it
00:15:28.780 because ordinary Canadians despise Omar Khadr, the murderer.
00:15:32.920 I should tell you that I've had a fair amount of interest
00:15:35.080 in the United States.
00:15:36.840 Today, for example,
00:15:37.640 I appeared on Glenn Beck's Blaze TV channel to talk about it,
00:15:41.180 and I have another media invitation later on.
00:15:43.840 The United States is more interested about this.
00:15:46.080 I saw a story in an Israeli newspaper
00:15:48.140 about a terrorist flying planes.
00:15:50.560 They find that madness in Israel and Canada. 0.85
00:15:53.980 Well, that's life under Trudeau.
00:15:56.520 There's one more thing I want to mention about the media.
00:15:59.380 Last night, Andrew Lawton from True North was at the same event,
00:16:03.320 and it was great to have an ally there.
00:16:05.600 I sat in the mass of the audience as a regular ticket holder.
00:16:10.920 Andrew Lawton came in as a journalist,
00:16:12.720 so he was in a media room.
00:16:14.440 I did not go into the media room.
00:16:16.840 He told me afterwards that there were several reporters there
00:16:20.280 who said, I ought to be arrested.
00:16:25.440 Andrew Lawton overheard them.
00:16:26.580 They were all in the little media room together.
00:16:28.040 He said there's about a half dozen reporters there.
00:16:29.600 I was just in the main crowd.
00:16:31.520 He didn't recognize them.
00:16:32.680 I later asked him, well, who were they?
00:16:33.880 He didn't know.
00:16:34.420 I suppose they were local Halifax journalists.
00:16:36.640 They didn't say that the terrorists,
00:16:38.500 oh, Mark Khadr should be arrested or imprisoned
00:16:40.520 or banned from flying.
00:16:42.620 Simply the fact that I was asking challenging questions,
00:16:47.720 that was worthy of being arrested.
00:16:50.080 That's what Andrew Lawton told me.
00:16:52.120 So I sat in the crowd, and there was a no-filming rule.
00:16:56.600 And there was nothing so dramatic.
00:16:58.740 There was nothing hidden there that I wanted to film
00:17:01.260 in contravention of the no-filming rule.
00:17:03.500 And they did announce at the top of the event
00:17:06.360 that they would be recording it and publishing it.
00:17:09.100 And it'll be interesting to see if they keep their word.
00:17:11.340 I must tell you that listening to the whole event,
00:17:15.440 really nothing was said of interest by Omar Khadr.
00:17:19.380 His answers were vague, sometimes cryptic,
00:17:22.500 always self-serving.
00:17:24.980 But he really says very little.
00:17:27.340 And I think it's a clever tactic,
00:17:29.220 because anyone who asks him a loving, gushing, loaded question,
00:17:34.100 loaded in a good way for him,
00:17:35.480 he sort of answers in a fog
00:17:38.400 that the question asker can project onto Omar Khadr
00:17:43.040 whatever they want.
00:17:44.200 In fact, thinking about it,
00:17:45.360 since Khadr has been out of prison,
00:17:47.760 we actually haven't heard that many meaningful things
00:17:50.500 from his own mouth.
00:17:52.220 One of the ways he's been rehabilitated
00:17:54.120 in the court of media opinion,
00:17:56.400 not public opinion,
00:17:57.680 the public still hates him,
00:17:58.740 but the media party,
00:17:59.700 the court party,
00:18:01.260 fancy society like Dalhousa University's elite,
00:18:05.420 is that all these do-gooders,
00:18:07.560 these social workers,
00:18:08.800 these noble people,
00:18:10.540 noble in their own mind,
00:18:11.480 ask a question to Omar Khadr.
00:18:13.780 He gives sort of a foggy answer,
00:18:15.440 and they say,
00:18:15.920 ah, yes, he agrees with me.
00:18:18.400 And so it's all these do-gooders
00:18:19.980 projecting themselves upon Khadr,
00:18:22.260 and Khadr is saying very little.
00:18:23.860 He said,
00:18:24.460 really nothing of note last night.
00:18:26.580 I probably would have broken their no-videoing ban
00:18:30.240 had he said something spicy,
00:18:32.300 but he didn't really.
00:18:34.640 The real performance art
00:18:35.960 was the other people running the event
00:18:40.720 who were emoting.
00:18:43.140 I want to tell you an observation
00:18:44.240 I made about the crowd.
00:18:46.680 I didn't quite understand it at first,
00:18:48.640 but I felt like I was on the set of The View
00:18:52.600 or another daytime TV show,
00:18:55.400 even though it was nighttime.
00:18:57.400 I estimate that about three-quarters
00:18:59.480 of the people in the room
00:19:01.120 were women, 0.89
00:19:04.140 white liberal women, 0.85
00:19:05.360 between the ages of 35 and 55.
00:19:08.260 It was quite pronounced.
00:19:10.420 I mean, you would think
00:19:11.020 that the subjects of terrorism
00:19:12.380 and war and crime,
00:19:14.980 justice and foreign relations
00:19:16.720 in Afghanistan,
00:19:18.540 you would think that would be
00:19:19.540 a masculine thing,
00:19:20.520 and indeed there were men there,
00:19:21.660 and I saw some men,
00:19:22.880 Halifax being a military city,
00:19:24.280 wearing their ribbons.
00:19:25.940 But most of the people there
00:19:27.300 were sort of moms,
00:19:30.100 wine, aunts maybe,
00:19:32.160 but it was quite gripping
00:19:34.900 to watch them watch Cotter.
00:19:38.920 I know this sounds odd,
00:19:40.180 but there were hundreds of people there,
00:19:41.920 and so it wasn't just one or two.
00:19:43.300 There were dozens of these moms 1.00
00:19:46.360 who I have to say
00:19:48.640 they reminded me
00:19:49.760 of women who fall in love
00:19:52.280 with serial killers,
00:19:54.960 become their pen pals,
00:19:56.560 meet them in prison,
00:19:57.780 and literally marry serial killers 1.00
00:20:00.420 who are in prison.
00:20:01.880 It's a psychological phenomenon.
00:20:03.340 You can look it up
00:20:03.960 in any psychological journal.
00:20:07.500 Partly it's these women 1.00
00:20:09.180 believing that they can heal
00:20:11.060 a broken soul.
00:20:13.080 Oh, Charles Manson,
00:20:14.080 he's just broken.
00:20:14.860 He just needs someone
00:20:15.560 to love him and fix him.
00:20:16.960 Oh, Omar Cotter,
00:20:17.760 he's been broken.
00:20:18.640 I can love him and fix it.
00:20:20.280 So some of it
00:20:20.900 is that maternal instinct
00:20:22.020 to heal and protect and fix.
00:20:24.220 I have to say with others
00:20:25.780 it clearly was a sort of romantic lust.
00:20:29.160 It was a strange,
00:20:30.560 strange room to be in,
00:20:32.500 and the woman who epitomized this 0.99
00:20:35.020 was the emcee of the whole event
00:20:36.860 who was having an emotional moment
00:20:38.680 on the stage and said so.
00:20:40.700 Said it was one of the most
00:20:41.720 remarkable evenings of her life.
00:20:44.580 It was not.
00:20:45.660 But for her, it was everything.
00:20:47.280 It was her moral satisfaction.
00:20:49.620 It was pretty gross to me.
00:20:52.900 I thought it was interesting
00:20:55.800 that Omar Cotter knew how to work it.
00:20:59.820 Let me close on this.
00:21:01.720 The event was officially styled
00:21:04.120 as a talk about child soldiers.
00:21:07.300 That's why Romeo Dallaire started off.
00:21:09.360 And I acknowledge
00:21:10.040 that there is a phenomenon
00:21:11.180 of child soldiers.
00:21:12.900 I'm talking about kids
00:21:13.800 eight or nine years old
00:21:15.340 who are sometimes put on
00:21:17.980 mind-altering drugs,
00:21:20.120 sent out with a rifle
00:21:21.200 and told to shoot,
00:21:22.680 and do so with no capacity at all.
00:21:26.280 Complete puppets of adults
00:21:28.780 who send them into war.
00:21:29.660 I acknowledge that
00:21:31.160 that phenomenon exists.
00:21:32.700 And there was one other guest
00:21:33.800 last night, Ishmael Beah,
00:21:35.380 who probably fits that definition.
00:21:38.140 And I understand that
00:21:39.340 that is a particular problem,
00:21:40.660 especially in places like Africa.
00:21:43.240 Child soldiers.
00:21:44.360 And it's a particular phenomenon.
00:21:45.780 And if a child is of 10 years,
00:21:48.420 eight, nine, 10 years old,
00:21:49.960 if they're hepped up on drugs
00:21:51.960 and they're sent in
00:21:52.540 almost like suicide killers,
00:21:54.320 I understand that that child
00:21:56.080 is a victim as well as a murderer.
00:21:58.880 Omar Cotter was not
00:22:00.040 eight, nine, 10 years old.
00:22:01.940 He was a few weeks shy
00:22:03.280 of his 16th birthday.
00:22:05.980 He was completely mature
00:22:07.420 and knew what he was doing.
00:22:08.580 I should remind you
00:22:09.380 that when Omar Cotter
00:22:11.180 was finally captured,
00:22:13.080 he was in a bunker
00:22:14.280 in Afghanistan.
00:22:16.180 And the Americans
00:22:17.560 and their Afghan translators
00:22:19.060 and their local allies
00:22:20.160 called to the bunker
00:22:21.520 and said,
00:22:21.960 we are going to attack
00:22:23.100 the bunker now.
00:22:24.380 All women and children
00:22:25.540 can go free.
00:22:27.560 And indeed,
00:22:28.120 the women and children
00:22:28.820 fled the bunker.
00:22:31.680 Not Omar Cotter.
00:22:33.160 He chose to stay
00:22:34.380 with the men
00:22:35.100 because he was a man.
00:22:37.420 A few weeks shy of 16
00:22:38.660 is a man
00:22:39.160 by any and every
00:22:40.380 legal definition.
00:22:42.120 Omar Cotter
00:22:42.820 has gained the system.
00:22:45.300 There was so much love
00:22:46.320 and affection
00:22:46.880 and healing femininity 1.00
00:22:49.020 in that room.
00:22:50.640 Properly targeted
00:22:51.840 at genuine child soldiers
00:22:53.440 like Ishmael Beah
00:22:54.540 that Omar Cotter
00:22:56.140 has simply conned
00:22:57.300 and gamed.
00:22:59.120 The same way 0.72
00:22:59.800 he has gamed
00:23:00.540 the legal system,
00:23:02.740 gamed Trudeau's
00:23:03.820 naivete
00:23:04.520 and Islamophilia
00:23:05.820 and pocketed
00:23:06.840 $10.5 million
00:23:07.760 and even gamed
00:23:09.660 the system
00:23:10.200 at the airport.
00:23:10.880 I'm being harassed.
00:23:12.100 Officer,
00:23:12.780 he's harassing me.
00:23:14.460 He knew what buttons
00:23:15.180 to push.
00:23:16.740 What I saw yesterday
00:23:18.220 troubled me deeply.
00:23:21.000 The reaction to it
00:23:22.440 troubled me even more.
00:23:24.600 The fact that the media
00:23:25.500 wanted me arrested, 0.61
00:23:26.700 not Cotter.
00:23:27.660 The fact that the entire
00:23:28.860 media party
00:23:29.500 is silent on the fact
00:23:30.460 that Cotter
00:23:30.880 is flying passenger planes.
00:23:32.780 And as usual,
00:23:33.660 if anything's going to stop it,
00:23:35.280 it'll probably be
00:23:35.940 our American allies.
00:23:37.620 I know why Omar Cotter
00:23:39.120 was smiling
00:23:39.860 from ear to ear yesterday.
00:23:42.420 Don't you?
00:23:43.880 Stay with us for more.
00:23:57.140 Welcome back.
00:23:58.500 Well, Justin Trudeau
00:23:59.580 is already on his
00:24:01.020 third trip
00:24:02.320 or vacation
00:24:03.440 for 2020.
00:24:05.420 That's quite a feat.
00:24:06.780 He's in Africa 1.00
00:24:07.960 hanging out
00:24:09.040 with the president
00:24:09.840 of the Toronto Raptors
00:24:11.960 and Ahmed Hassan,
00:24:14.320 his Somali-Canadian
00:24:15.760 cabinet minister.
00:24:17.540 He's making no bones
00:24:19.120 about it.
00:24:19.640 He's on a bribery tour
00:24:21.280 giving millions
00:24:22.180 of dollars
00:24:22.780 in foreign aid
00:24:24.320 to some of the most
00:24:25.340 corrupt dictators
00:24:26.120 in the world
00:24:26.560 in return
00:24:27.220 for their vote
00:24:28.500 at the United Nations.
00:24:30.180 Canada is running
00:24:31.100 for a seat
00:24:32.040 on the United Nations
00:24:33.300 Security Council.
00:24:34.600 This is very important
00:24:35.720 to a narcissist
00:24:36.440 like Justin Trudeau.
00:24:37.640 Less important
00:24:38.920 to Trudeau
00:24:39.420 are things like,
00:24:40.120 oh,
00:24:40.540 managing the
00:24:41.400 coronavirus outbreak
00:24:42.880 or dealing
00:24:44.460 with real issues
00:24:45.780 like pipeline
00:24:46.700 construction.
00:24:47.740 And in Alberta,
00:24:49.500 the Tech Oil Sands
00:24:51.620 Mine,
00:24:52.120 a $21 billion
00:24:54.480 project
00:24:55.520 of private sector
00:24:57.140 money
00:24:57.380 that has already
00:24:58.100 received every
00:24:59.220 environmental
00:24:59.860 and Aboriginal
00:25:00.980 approval necessary,
00:25:02.560 it's just waiting
00:25:03.380 for his own pen.
00:25:04.100 And let me connect
00:25:05.420 the two.
00:25:06.680 Scroll for a second
00:25:07.700 through Justin Trudeau's
00:25:09.020 Twitter feed.
00:25:10.900 There he meets
00:25:11.560 with the head
00:25:12.560 of Somalia.
00:25:13.520 There with the head
00:25:14.380 of Cabo Verde.
00:25:15.840 Have you ever heard
00:25:16.780 of Cape Verde,
00:25:17.700 it's also called?
00:25:18.820 I looked it up.
00:25:19.760 Canada and Cape Verde
00:25:21.540 have annual
00:25:23.160 bilateral trade
00:25:24.720 of $2.5 million.
00:25:28.140 That's it.
00:25:29.280 For the whole year.
00:25:30.400 Trudeau's trip there
00:25:31.220 alone probably
00:25:32.640 boosted that
00:25:33.600 by 20%.
00:25:34.540 Imagine spending
00:25:36.420 time and effort
00:25:37.440 trying to grow
00:25:38.620 a $2.5 million
00:25:40.100 a year trade
00:25:40.980 relationship
00:25:41.540 to what?
00:25:42.840 $2.6 million.
00:25:44.140 That would be
00:25:44.460 a success.
00:25:45.580 Instead of
00:25:46.160 saying yes
00:25:47.260 to a $21 billion
00:25:48.920 private sector
00:25:49.940 jobs project.
00:25:50.700 And more than that,
00:25:51.560 look at his
00:25:52.160 absolute warm
00:25:54.320 smiles and
00:25:55.520 handshakes
00:25:56.140 with every
00:25:57.300 tin pot
00:25:58.020 dictator
00:25:58.600 in Africa.
00:26:00.120 When was
00:26:00.680 the last time
00:26:01.420 you saw
00:26:02.080 Justin Trudeau
00:26:03.000 express such
00:26:03.860 genuine affection
00:26:05.400 towards the
00:26:06.680 premiers of
00:26:07.620 Alberta
00:26:08.120 or Saskatchewan?
00:26:09.800 He won't even
00:26:10.380 meet with them
00:26:11.000 and shake a hand
00:26:11.740 in a photo
00:26:12.300 like that,
00:26:13.320 let alone say
00:26:14.080 we must increase
00:26:14.940 trade.
00:26:15.320 I show you
00:26:15.980 all that
00:26:16.440 because it's
00:26:17.800 a good way
00:26:18.220 to introduce
00:26:18.720 our next guest,
00:26:20.160 our friend
00:26:20.460 Lauren Gunter,
00:26:21.140 senior columnist
00:26:22.020 with the Edmonton Sun
00:26:22.980 who has a new
00:26:23.580 column out,
00:26:24.680 and I recommend
00:26:25.180 that you read it.
00:26:25.940 It's called
00:26:26.260 Ottawa Faction,
00:26:27.960 appears to be
00:26:28.600 readying
00:26:29.160 green jobs
00:26:30.720 retraining
00:26:31.380 rather than
00:26:31.860 approved
00:26:32.180 Frontier mine.
00:26:33.080 And Lauren Gunter
00:26:33.760 joins us now.
00:26:35.660 Lauren Trudeau's
00:26:36.540 celebrating an
00:26:37.840 extra $100,000
00:26:39.520 worth of trade
00:26:40.540 here and there
00:26:41.180 on a trip
00:26:42.200 that costs
00:26:42.760 more than that
00:26:43.480 while he looks
00:26:44.820 ready to kill
00:26:45.620 the Tech Frontier
00:26:46.740 oil sands mine.
00:26:49.380 Well,
00:26:49.700 I'm not sure
00:26:50.920 they're ready yet,
00:26:51.620 but they would
00:26:52.040 really like to
00:26:53.060 if they think
00:26:54.120 they could.
00:26:54.560 There are,
00:26:55.860 I'm told,
00:26:56.460 two factions
00:26:57.100 within the
00:26:57.620 cabinet.
00:26:58.700 About two-thirds
00:27:00.000 of the cabinet,
00:27:00.820 most of them
00:27:01.380 coming from
00:27:01.940 Ontario and
00:27:02.800 some from
00:27:03.540 Quebec,
00:27:04.420 would like to
00:27:05.080 kill Tech. 0.97
00:27:06.520 Others realize
00:27:07.920 that, A,
00:27:08.920 the federal
00:27:09.340 government needs
00:27:09.920 the money
00:27:10.340 that's going
00:27:10.740 to come out
00:27:11.320 of the taxes
00:27:12.680 on Tech,
00:27:13.840 but also,
00:27:15.020 if they reject
00:27:16.120 Tech,
00:27:17.040 there's no
00:27:17.720 predicting what
00:27:18.980 Albertan's reaction
00:27:20.340 is going to be.
00:27:20.980 I mean,
00:27:21.160 my prediction
00:27:21.680 is that
00:27:22.320 separatist
00:27:23.220 sentiment in the
00:27:23.840 province will
00:27:24.300 skyrocket.
00:27:26.060 Tech is,
00:27:27.100 Tech's frontier
00:27:27.800 mine is,
00:27:29.260 as you said,
00:27:29.700 $21 billion.
00:27:31.080 It's 7,000
00:27:32.780 jobs.
00:27:34.000 It's $12
00:27:34.660 billion a year
00:27:36.560 to the
00:27:37.360 Alberta economy.
00:27:38.460 It's $8 billion,
00:27:40.060 $8 billion
00:27:40.760 with a B,
00:27:42.000 to private
00:27:44.220 incomes,
00:27:45.460 to family
00:27:46.560 incomes in
00:27:47.400 Alberta.
00:27:48.900 And then
00:27:49.420 there's this
00:27:49.840 huge ripple
00:27:50.540 effect,
00:27:51.080 about 20%
00:27:52.420 of the amount
00:27:53.700 that will be
00:27:54.200 generated in
00:27:54.960 jobs and
00:27:55.580 income,
00:27:56.240 will be
00:27:56.720 outside of
00:27:57.440 Alberta.
00:27:57.880 And it's
00:27:58.160 long-lasting.
00:27:59.000 It's a 40-year
00:27:59.560 project,
00:28:00.200 and those
00:28:00.540 jobs in
00:28:01.560 Ontario making
00:28:02.540 pipe,
00:28:03.280 and in
00:28:04.260 BC supplying
00:28:05.960 electronics,
00:28:09.560 those will all
00:28:10.880 last for the
00:28:11.940 duration that the
00:28:12.800 mine is open.
00:28:13.660 So it's a good
00:28:15.240 deal for the
00:28:15.860 entire country.
00:28:17.560 Not only that,
00:28:18.480 I mean,
00:28:18.620 the entire country
00:28:19.200 should be worried
00:28:19.920 if the liberals
00:28:20.660 turn it down,
00:28:21.280 because people
00:28:22.700 outside the
00:28:23.480 energy sector,
00:28:25.020 international
00:28:25.520 investors in
00:28:26.560 other sectors
00:28:27.480 are going to
00:28:27.880 say,
00:28:28.560 gee,
00:28:28.780 I don't know
00:28:29.240 if I really
00:28:29.640 want to put
00:28:30.020 my money
00:28:30.520 into Quebec,
00:28:32.120 into New
00:28:32.520 Brunswick,
00:28:33.000 into Nova Scotia,
00:28:34.100 when the
00:28:34.980 federal government
00:28:35.780 in Canada
00:28:37.240 is prepared
00:28:38.240 to ignore
00:28:39.660 all of the
00:28:40.360 expert advice,
00:28:41.260 ignore all
00:28:41.760 of its
00:28:41.980 regulators' 0.84
00:28:43.100 decisions on
00:28:43.900 whether or not
00:28:44.460 to license
00:28:45.660 developments like
00:28:46.780 this,
00:28:47.200 and just go
00:28:48.020 based solely
00:28:48.920 on its own
00:28:49.960 political benefits
00:28:53.260 to whether or
00:28:54.260 not they will
00:28:54.700 license this.
00:28:55.380 It's just so
00:28:56.260 capricious.
00:28:58.000 It's so
00:28:59.340 transient that
00:29:01.280 a lot of
00:29:02.700 international
00:29:03.540 investors outside
00:29:04.680 the energy sector
00:29:05.560 are simply going
00:29:06.180 to say,
00:29:07.060 it's not worth
00:29:07.840 risking it in
00:29:08.560 Canada.
00:29:09.280 Yeah.
00:29:09.600 I mean,
00:29:10.080 this is $21
00:29:10.920 billion of
00:29:12.200 private sector
00:29:12.960 money.
00:29:13.420 It's not from
00:29:14.780 the government.
00:29:15.600 A lot of it
00:29:16.140 will actually
00:29:16.520 flow to
00:29:17.240 the government.
00:29:18.380 So it's not
00:29:19.200 even Trudeau's
00:29:20.240 money.
00:29:21.680 And as I
00:29:22.860 mentioned at
00:29:23.400 the outset,
00:29:23.840 it's already
00:29:24.200 met every
00:29:25.140 possible
00:29:25.760 environmental
00:29:26.360 safety,
00:29:27.320 aboriginal 0.61
00:29:27.760 approval to
00:29:29.400 kill it out
00:29:30.360 of pure
00:29:30.940 political
00:29:31.540 spite.
00:29:32.320 I noticed
00:29:32.740 that the
00:29:33.080 new heritage
00:29:34.020 minister,
00:29:34.460 the guy who's
00:29:34.820 talking about
00:29:35.320 licensing and
00:29:36.060 registering
00:29:36.460 websites,
00:29:37.560 he said to
00:29:38.180 reporters today
00:29:38.920 that he's so
00:29:39.960 embarrassed that
00:29:41.000 they're even
00:29:41.380 considering Tech
00:29:42.880 Frontier,
00:29:43.360 he's not even
00:29:43.820 going to talk
00:29:44.280 about it in
00:29:44.740 public.
00:29:45.040 Obviously he's
00:29:46.260 one of the
00:29:46.680 ones fomenting
00:29:47.540 against it.
00:29:48.680 It's just
00:29:49.240 incredible the
00:29:50.240 lengths that
00:29:50.780 Justin Trudeau
00:29:51.540 would go to
00:29:52.020 break the
00:29:52.420 law.
00:29:52.680 Remember he
00:29:53.060 was convicted
00:29:53.700 of breaking
00:29:54.140 the law,
00:29:55.160 the Conflict
00:29:56.080 of Interest
00:29:56.420 Act,
00:29:56.860 over SNC
00:29:58.460 Lavalin,
00:29:59.100 which nominally
00:29:59.940 was to save
00:30:00.760 some engineering
00:30:01.360 jobs in
00:30:02.020 Quebec.
00:30:02.560 Those jobs 0.65
00:30:03.040 haven't gone
00:30:03.420 away,
00:30:03.700 by the way,
00:30:04.000 the whole
00:30:04.180 thing was a
00:30:04.560 fib.
00:30:05.340 But he
00:30:05.880 would go to
00:30:06.480 great lengths
00:30:07.360 for 9,000
00:30:08.440 jobs in Quebec
00:30:09.280 that were not
00:30:09.860 in jeopardy,
00:30:10.580 but he would
00:30:11.520 whimsically and
00:30:12.400 capriciously kill
00:30:13.740 7,000 direct
00:30:15.780 jobs,
00:30:17.200 countless
00:30:17.600 indirect jobs
00:30:18.640 just to be
00:30:20.700 cool with
00:30:21.400 Gerald Butts
00:30:22.060 and the rest
00:30:22.460 of his
00:30:22.680 environmental
00:30:23.100 experience.
00:30:23.840 And to get
00:30:24.300 Greta to
00:30:24.940 send him a
00:30:26.560 nice card
00:30:27.260 at Christmas
00:30:27.740 time or
00:30:28.260 something.
00:30:30.120 I've come to
00:30:31.180 call the
00:30:31.660 Liberal Cabinet
00:30:32.460 the Greta cult
00:30:33.620 because they
00:30:35.600 seem to pay
00:30:37.540 far more
00:30:38.080 attention to
00:30:38.620 what a
00:30:38.860 16-year-old
00:30:39.680 Swedish
00:30:40.740 activist
00:30:41.220 thinks than
00:30:42.020 what Canadians
00:30:42.700 think.
00:30:44.600 They're so
00:30:45.460 caught up in
00:30:46.200 what they
00:30:46.900 call the
00:30:47.360 settled
00:30:47.720 science of
00:30:49.320 climate change
00:30:50.680 that they
00:30:50.940 don't look at
00:30:51.440 any other
00:30:52.040 alternative.
00:30:53.120 And we
00:30:53.460 have become,
00:30:54.300 I think,
00:30:54.880 the only
00:30:55.500 country in
00:30:56.100 the world
00:30:56.580 that is
00:30:57.640 really trying
00:30:59.020 hard to
00:31:00.660 beggar its
00:31:01.220 own economy,
00:31:02.080 to slow
00:31:02.860 its own
00:31:03.260 economy in
00:31:04.480 the name
00:31:04.860 of meeting
00:31:05.340 our Paris
00:31:06.400 Climate Accord
00:31:07.520 emissions
00:31:08.480 targets.
00:31:09.500 The Norwegians
00:31:10.600 aren't doing
00:31:11.120 that with
00:31:11.620 their North
00:31:12.080 Sea oil.
00:31:13.160 The Danes
00:31:14.020 who have
00:31:14.480 wind turbines
00:31:15.940 everywhere on
00:31:16.740 their west
00:31:17.540 coast, they're
00:31:18.560 not doing
00:31:19.140 that.
00:31:19.900 Nobody's
00:31:20.320 trying to
00:31:20.700 shut down
00:31:21.420 parts of
00:31:22.000 their economy
00:31:22.720 just to
00:31:23.720 make Greta 0.99
00:31:24.280 happy or
00:31:25.000 to make
00:31:25.740 the activists
00:31:26.400 happy.
00:31:28.400 And we
00:31:29.120 are.
00:31:30.240 And this
00:31:30.680 is the sort
00:31:31.060 of thing
00:31:31.300 that we did
00:31:31.700 with Kyoto
00:31:32.240 too.
00:31:32.540 When the
00:31:33.380 Kyoto Accord
00:31:33.880 was signed
00:31:34.340 in 1997,
00:31:35.280 the first
00:31:35.580 really big
00:31:36.100 international
00:31:36.680 climate change
00:31:37.540 accord,
00:31:38.540 there were
00:31:38.840 38 countries
00:31:39.900 that were
00:31:40.640 signatories to
00:31:41.760 the emissions
00:31:42.460 controls.
00:31:43.660 Most of the
00:31:44.180 developing world
00:31:44.940 was exempted.
00:31:46.360 Of those
00:31:46.920 38 countries,
00:31:48.280 it ended up
00:31:48.880 we were the
00:31:49.660 only country
00:31:51.300 that was
00:31:52.500 prepared to
00:31:53.100 submit itself
00:31:54.120 to legal
00:31:55.500 challenges of
00:31:56.420 its emissions
00:31:57.080 laws by
00:31:59.200 its own
00:31:59.560 citizens and
00:32:00.200 by foreign
00:32:00.780 citizens.
00:32:01.260 we have
00:32:02.460 done this
00:32:02.900 Boy Scout
00:32:03.460 Act again
00:32:04.140 and again
00:32:04.620 and again
00:32:05.060 and it's
00:32:05.540 beginning to
00:32:06.280 really hurt
00:32:07.420 economically in
00:32:09.060 Canada.
00:32:09.300 And I think
00:32:09.820 the tech
00:32:10.200 resources
00:32:11.360 rejection,
00:32:12.640 if it comes,
00:32:13.860 will be
00:32:14.360 probably the
00:32:16.500 final straw.
00:32:17.160 I have to
00:32:18.340 give Jean 0.99
00:32:18.760 Chrétien credit.
00:32:20.120 He signed
00:32:21.160 an insane
00:32:21.920 reduction
00:32:23.560 number at
00:32:24.660 the Kyoto
00:32:25.000 Protocol,
00:32:25.660 but he
00:32:26.240 actually never
00:32:26.980 really acted
00:32:27.920 on that.
00:32:28.420 In fact,
00:32:28.940 I think it's
00:32:29.640 fair to say
00:32:30.280 that his
00:32:30.780 government
00:32:31.260 helped put
00:32:32.520 the regulatory
00:32:33.260 regime in
00:32:34.180 place to
00:32:35.260 allow the
00:32:37.260 growth and
00:32:38.540 acceleration of
00:32:39.640 the oil sands.
00:32:40.200 it's very
00:32:41.640 unlike me to
00:32:43.000 praise a
00:32:43.540 liberal,
00:32:44.340 especially at
00:32:44.880 the time I
00:32:45.440 was working
00:32:45.780 with Preston
00:32:46.280 Manning,
00:32:46.540 we were
00:32:46.740 fighting against
00:32:47.640 Jean Chrétien
00:32:48.540 every day,
00:32:49.160 but if I
00:32:50.520 look back at
00:32:51.180 it, how
00:32:51.500 can I say
00:32:52.160 anything other
00:32:52.740 than far
00:32:53.840 from opposing
00:32:54.540 the oil
00:32:54.980 sands?
00:32:56.060 Chrétien,
00:32:56.860 I'd almost
00:32:57.860 say encouraged
00:32:58.620 them.
00:32:59.300 I mean, I
00:32:59.560 don't want to
00:33:00.120 go too far
00:33:00.660 on that,
00:33:01.380 but he
00:33:01.580 didn't stop
00:33:02.400 a carbon
00:33:02.780 tax on
00:33:03.280 them,
00:33:03.460 he didn't
00:33:03.820 badmouth
00:33:04.440 them,
00:33:04.620 he didn't
00:33:04.960 demonize
00:33:05.600 them.
00:33:06.420 No, and
00:33:06.900 the thing
00:33:07.140 about Chrétien
00:33:07.720 and the
00:33:08.600 economic
00:33:09.200 ministers,
00:33:09.900 like the
00:33:10.180 finance
00:33:10.560 minister,
00:33:11.000 industry
00:33:11.260 minister,
00:33:11.800 natural
00:33:12.040 resources
00:33:12.420 minister,
00:33:13.080 in his
00:33:13.460 cabinet,
00:33:13.860 they were
00:33:14.160 grown-ups.
00:33:15.620 And what
00:33:16.580 a grown-up's
00:33:17.220 attitude would
00:33:18.120 be towards
00:33:18.940 Canadian
00:33:19.520 energy is
00:33:21.140 that we
00:33:22.020 produce energy
00:33:23.060 more
00:33:23.900 environmentally
00:33:24.940 efficiently
00:33:25.800 than any
00:33:27.040 other large
00:33:27.600 producer.
00:33:28.080 There's a
00:33:28.400 group at
00:33:29.240 Yale University
00:33:30.260 that looks
00:33:30.840 at the
00:33:31.480 environmental
00:33:31.940 records of
00:33:32.700 all the
00:33:33.120 countries in
00:33:33.580 the world,
00:33:33.920 and of the
00:33:34.320 top 10
00:33:35.080 oil producers,
00:33:36.660 Canada has 0.52
00:33:37.240 the number
00:33:37.980 one
00:33:38.420 environmental
00:33:38.920 record.
00:33:40.100 So we
00:33:40.960 are good
00:33:41.700 at producing
00:33:43.540 oil and
00:33:44.300 gas in
00:33:45.280 environmentally
00:33:46.140 intelligent
00:33:47.160 ways.
00:33:48.860 And that
00:33:49.880 means then
00:33:50.480 that when
00:33:50.840 we sell
00:33:51.420 our oil
00:33:51.840 or gas
00:33:52.360 to other
00:33:53.040 countries,
00:33:53.580 we're probably
00:33:54.860 bringing down
00:33:55.700 emissions,
00:33:56.260 because we
00:33:56.700 produce fewer
00:33:57.540 emissions to
00:33:58.160 get that
00:33:58.580 energy out
00:33:59.120 of the
00:33:59.360 ground and
00:33:59.860 down pipelines
00:34:01.080 and across
00:34:01.620 the ocean
00:34:02.120 than any
00:34:03.220 other major
00:34:03.880 producer.
00:34:05.140 And that's
00:34:05.600 just on the
00:34:05.980 environmental
00:34:06.360 side.
00:34:06.800 I remember
00:34:07.640 when I wrote
00:34:08.120 my book
00:34:08.480 Ethical
00:34:08.840 Oil, I
00:34:10.000 did the
00:34:10.300 math, it
00:34:10.660 was a
00:34:10.960 really
00:34:11.180 grotesque
00:34:11.940 calculation,
00:34:12.700 but I
00:34:12.860 wanted to
00:34:13.200 make the
00:34:13.480 point.
00:34:14.100 I don't
00:34:14.280 know if
00:34:14.880 you know,
00:34:16.380 but Sudan
00:34:16.900 is quite
00:34:18.240 an oil
00:34:18.560 producer.
00:34:19.500 In fact,
00:34:20.960 it's pretty
00:34:22.440 much all
00:34:22.880 run by
00:34:23.440 state oil
00:34:25.200 companies now
00:34:25.960 because of
00:34:26.460 sanctions and
00:34:27.100 whatnot.
00:34:27.700 But there
00:34:28.040 was a
00:34:28.300 point in
00:34:28.640 time when
00:34:28.900 a Canadian
00:34:29.260 company called
00:34:29.820 Talisman
00:34:30.580 Energy had
00:34:31.800 a big stake
00:34:32.420 in there.
00:34:32.760 They were
00:34:32.920 sort of
00:34:33.180 driven out
00:34:33.880 by boycotts
00:34:35.880 and funny
00:34:36.780 enough, the
00:34:37.080 boycotts
00:34:37.520 stopped once
00:34:38.200 the only
00:34:38.720 Western company
00:34:39.860 left.
00:34:41.340 One of the
00:34:41.860 reasons Sudan
00:34:42.600 is under
00:34:44.240 sanctions and
00:34:44.980 whatnot is they
00:34:45.820 had a genocide
00:34:46.580 in a region
00:34:47.800 called Darfur.
00:34:48.840 So here's what
00:34:49.620 I did, and I
00:34:50.140 don't mean to be
00:34:50.800 gross, Lorne,
00:34:51.800 but you talked
00:34:52.540 about carbon
00:34:53.020 dioxide and
00:34:53.960 environment.
00:34:55.300 What about
00:34:55.820 blood oil?
00:34:56.920 There really is
00:34:57.880 blood oil out
00:34:59.180 there, blood for
00:34:59.780 oil.
00:35:00.000 What I did
00:35:00.860 is I took
00:35:01.180 the number
00:35:01.500 of people
00:35:01.900 murdered in
00:35:03.220 the genocide
00:35:04.000 of Darfur.
00:35:05.240 I know that's
00:35:05.760 gross.
00:35:07.020 Calculated the
00:35:07.640 amount of
00:35:08.060 blood per
00:35:09.280 human body
00:35:09.940 times, I
00:35:10.600 think it was
00:35:10.820 400,000 people
00:35:11.800 killed, divided
00:35:14.300 into the number
00:35:16.400 of barrels of
00:35:17.180 oil produced
00:35:18.080 by Sudan over
00:35:19.180 that period of
00:35:19.840 time, and you
00:35:20.800 could get a
00:35:21.220 measurement, and
00:35:21.740 I know this is
00:35:22.300 gross, of human
00:35:24.400 blood per barrel
00:35:25.340 of oil, and it
00:35:25.940 worked out to
00:35:26.440 about a lipstick
00:35:28.100 tube full of
00:35:29.200 human oil
00:35:29.900 per barrel if
00:35:30.860 you were into
00:35:31.300 gross math, and
00:35:32.520 my point about
00:35:33.680 saying that gross
00:35:34.820 calculation, which
00:35:36.420 is unthinkable and
00:35:37.640 grotesque, is
00:35:39.240 that's how it is
00:35:40.400 in the oil
00:35:42.980 dictatorships of
00:35:43.800 the world, and
00:35:44.820 so, yeah, our
00:35:46.140 oil has a few
00:35:46.880 puffs of CO2
00:35:48.540 less than
00:35:49.780 Venezuelan oil,
00:35:50.780 let's say, but
00:35:51.800 we also have less
00:35:52.680 blood in our
00:35:54.500 oil, and less
00:35:55.680 terrorism, and
00:35:59.080 less stoning of
00:36:00.320 gays, and
00:36:01.020 things, that's the
00:36:01.640 whole thesis of
00:36:02.260 ethical oil, but
00:36:04.240 I don't think, I
00:36:06.220 don't think the
00:36:06.680 liberals actually
00:36:07.200 care about that, as
00:36:08.240 my point is, here's
00:36:09.020 Justin Trudeau
00:36:09.700 traipsing through
00:36:10.580 the dictatorships of
00:36:11.480 Africa, he's not 1.00
00:36:12.540 wagging his finger
00:36:13.180 at them.
00:36:14.420 No, no, but the
00:36:15.900 point I was, I was
00:36:17.400 making is that, you
00:36:18.540 know, say, say 10
00:36:20.000 units of whatever
00:36:21.100 per barrel of our
00:36:23.120 oil, and the
00:36:24.580 worldwide average is
00:36:25.680 14 units.
00:36:27.440 If you shutter, if
00:36:29.100 you keep in the
00:36:29.880 ground a barrel of
00:36:31.900 Canadian oil, it's
00:36:32.780 going to be sold to
00:36:34.140 another country by
00:36:36.340 yet a different
00:36:37.480 producer.
00:36:38.660 So, instead of 10
00:36:40.040 units of emissions,
00:36:41.640 now that other
00:36:42.740 country is buying
00:36:43.860 oil that had 14
00:36:45.160 units of emissions,
00:36:46.220 and if your whole
00:36:47.080 purpose, as the
00:36:48.660 liberals say, is to
00:36:49.960 reduce greenhouse
00:36:51.300 gas emissions, by
00:36:53.320 shuttering Canadian 0.98
00:36:54.540 oil, you're
00:36:55.480 actually increasing
00:36:56.760 the number of
00:36:57.620 emissions, because
00:36:58.780 the oil in other
00:37:00.400 countries is going to
00:37:01.200 come from less
00:37:02.400 environmentally efficient
00:37:03.740 sources.
00:37:04.860 It is such
00:37:05.960 preposterously
00:37:06.960 juvenile.
00:37:07.740 The federal
00:37:09.480 cabinet must be an
00:37:10.520 awful lot like a
00:37:11.980 sophomore political
00:37:12.900 science seminar, where
00:37:14.460 you sit around a
00:37:15.420 table, and you
00:37:16.340 discuss the high-minded
00:37:18.120 ideological ideas that
00:37:19.860 you've been reading
00:37:20.480 about in your
00:37:21.080 textbooks, and you
00:37:22.520 just sigh a lot, and
00:37:23.920 you put your hand to
00:37:25.500 the back of your
00:37:26.160 forehead, and you
00:37:28.680 swoon and tweet, and
00:37:30.500 it's just such a
00:37:32.620 juvenile mentality.
00:37:33.960 You know, I can
00:37:34.500 imagine it being like a
00:37:35.520 meeting full of
00:37:36.340 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's.
00:37:39.340 Everyone's saying,
00:37:40.440 well, I remember I read
00:37:41.740 an article once in Vox
00:37:43.400 about this, or as a
00:37:46.060 woman of color, my
00:37:48.220 view is this.
00:37:49.080 Like, it's just a
00:37:49.840 woke Olympics, and
00:37:51.960 no one's ever had a
00:37:53.280 job, never, no one's
00:37:54.540 ever done anything.
00:37:56.560 I think, I mean, I get
00:37:58.400 your point absolutely.
00:37:59.700 Every barrel of ethical
00:38:00.920 oil produced displaces
00:38:02.980 one barrel of conflict
00:38:04.180 oil.
00:38:04.400 That's exactly, I think
00:38:05.420 we were making the same
00:38:06.080 point.
00:38:06.660 But the bigger point is
00:38:08.220 Northern Gateway also
00:38:11.300 had Aboriginal
00:38:12.020 environmental approval.
00:38:13.060 Trudeau killed it.
00:38:14.500 Energy East, he rigged
00:38:16.300 the rules, and he killed
00:38:17.340 it.
00:38:17.600 Trans Mountain, he 0.99
00:38:19.640 killed it.
00:38:20.160 He claims it's alive,
00:38:21.840 but it's on life
00:38:22.420 support.
00:38:22.920 It's not being built.
00:38:23.880 I don't think it ever
00:38:24.600 will be.
00:38:26.600 You throw in one more
00:38:28.200 thing that's already
00:38:29.840 approved, and no one's
00:38:30.880 going to believe you
00:38:31.400 anymore, and then I
00:38:33.100 think you're going to
00:38:33.860 see a capital flight,
00:38:35.960 and I think politically
00:38:37.340 people are saying,
00:38:38.160 well, we're done.
00:38:40.000 I think you're exactly
00:38:41.320 right.
00:38:41.600 The only question is,
00:38:42.380 will Jason Kenney
00:38:43.240 still keep writing his
00:38:45.460 letters to Justin
00:38:47.880 Trudeau saying,
00:38:48.520 please stop being so
00:38:50.540 mean to us.
00:38:51.220 There has to be an
00:38:51.860 or else, or those
00:38:52.800 letters don't go
00:38:53.980 anywhere.
00:38:54.720 Well, and as I said
00:38:55.820 in the column that
00:38:56.480 you prefaced at the
00:38:57.380 beginning, we are
00:39:01.360 being thrown crumbs
00:39:02.700 in Alberta.
00:39:04.160 There was a story last
00:39:05.380 week came out from
00:39:06.340 Reuters, and there
00:39:07.500 have been follow-up
00:39:08.340 stories in other
00:39:09.660 outlets where it's
00:39:12.080 clear the Liberals are
00:39:13.260 raising a couple of
00:39:14.520 flags to see if we
00:39:16.400 will salute them.
00:39:17.200 We in Alberta will
00:39:18.040 salute them.
00:39:19.200 The idea is that,
00:39:20.440 well, you know, if we
00:39:21.500 were to reject
00:39:22.800 tech's frontier
00:39:26.000 mind, but we
00:39:27.660 were going to give
00:39:28.320 you a billion
00:39:29.600 dollars a year
00:39:31.520 for equalization,
00:39:33.800 job training,
00:39:35.040 and business
00:39:36.240 startups, green
00:39:37.400 business startups,
00:39:39.380 would that
00:39:39.880 satisfy you?
00:39:40.680 And I'm just
00:39:42.620 absolutely, I
00:39:43.680 think, I hope, I'm
00:39:45.780 fairly typical of
00:39:46.700 Albertans, I'm
00:39:47.560 absolutely enraged
00:39:49.520 and insulted by
00:39:50.720 that.
00:39:51.380 Just get out of
00:39:53.960 the way.
00:39:54.740 Just let us do what
00:39:56.580 we do well.
00:39:57.420 We will do it as
00:39:58.160 environmentally friendly
00:39:59.440 as possible, and we
00:40:01.900 will bring in a lot of
00:40:03.580 money for the entire
00:40:04.680 country.
00:40:05.900 This is not rocket
00:40:08.020 surgery.
00:40:08.500 You do not have to
00:40:10.120 have several degrees
00:40:11.280 in order to figure
00:40:12.160 this out.
00:40:13.060 It's quite
00:40:13.800 straightforward.
00:40:15.000 We don't want
00:40:16.120 bribes, we don't 1.00
00:40:17.300 want buyouts, we
00:40:18.380 don't want payoffs.
00:40:19.800 We simply want the
00:40:21.260 federal government to
00:40:22.200 do what makes sense,
00:40:24.000 and what makes sense
00:40:25.180 is to allow Tech
00:40:26.700 Frontier and
00:40:27.660 Trans Mountain and
00:40:28.780 Energy East and a lot
00:40:30.140 of those others to go
00:40:30.980 ahead.
00:40:31.280 You know, there's got
00:40:35.000 to be some grown-up
00:40:36.400 somewhere in the
00:40:38.340 government.
00:40:38.840 I mean, whoever had
00:40:39.780 the wisdom to move
00:40:40.680 Catherine McKenna out
00:40:41.600 of the environment,
00:40:42.460 that's a sign of some
00:40:43.500 maturity somewhere.
00:40:45.800 Jonathan Wilkinson,
00:40:46.880 the new environment
00:40:47.420 minister, is less
00:40:48.560 rhetorically crazy, but
00:40:50.320 he is equally
00:40:51.300 intellectually bad. 0.58
00:40:53.480 I was researching him
00:40:55.100 a bit today, and at
00:40:55.780 least he has some
00:40:56.900 business experience.
00:40:58.520 Rhodes Scholar, so
00:41:00.200 he's not as stupid
00:41:01.100 as Catherine McKenna.
00:41:02.420 Ran a business for
00:41:03.480 some years, so he's
00:41:04.260 not as inexperienced.
00:41:06.320 I have a flicker of
00:41:07.540 hope with him, but I've
00:41:08.840 got to think that there
00:41:09.980 is a grown-up, and the
00:41:11.700 grown-ups, I don't know
00:41:12.860 who it is.
00:41:13.300 It's certainly not
00:41:13.820 Justin Trudeau.
00:41:14.520 It's not Gerald Butts,
00:41:15.340 who despises Alberta.
00:41:16.680 I don't know who this
00:41:17.580 mystery grown-up is.
00:41:18.500 Maybe I'm just wishing
00:41:20.300 that such a person
00:41:21.100 existed.
00:41:22.720 But I think one of two
00:41:23.860 things is going to
00:41:24.480 happen.
00:41:25.020 Either they're going to
00:41:26.420 approve this
00:41:28.340 mine, and do the
00:41:30.420 right thing, and it'll
00:41:31.180 be a tremendous
00:41:31.900 relief to Alberta
00:41:33.560 and the markets.
00:41:35.000 Or they're going to
00:41:36.140 deliberately kill it, 0.78
00:41:38.140 and not just for
00:41:40.540 Greta reasons, but
00:41:42.420 because they want an
00:41:44.760 angry separatist
00:41:46.460 Alberta as a
00:41:47.600 political foil.
00:41:49.120 Justin Trudeau almost
00:41:50.460 lost the last
00:41:52.080 election.
00:41:53.220 The conservatives
00:41:53.840 were sort of a
00:41:54.700 disgruntled Western
00:41:56.180 rump.
00:41:56.900 They got some seats
00:41:57.560 in Ontario, but
00:41:58.320 not that many.
00:41:59.600 Wouldn't Trudeau like
00:42:00.780 to run in the year
00:42:02.840 2023 against angry
00:42:06.180 separatists in the
00:42:07.620 West, who he would
00:42:08.320 never get their votes
00:42:09.080 anyways, and he could
00:42:10.960 be the green savior
00:42:12.280 saying, I reject their
00:42:13.780 extremism and their
00:42:15.480 separatism, sort of
00:42:16.920 like Pierre Trudeau
00:42:18.620 loved fighting with
00:42:20.740 Quebec separatists and
00:42:21.860 stoked the separatism
00:42:23.020 that he then presented
00:42:24.360 himself as a solution
00:42:25.360 to.
00:42:25.680 Maybe the diabolical
00:42:27.820 strategy by the
00:42:28.900 grown-up here,
00:42:30.060 Lorne, is to
00:42:31.440 demonize and bait 0.89
00:42:34.460 the Alberta bear on
00:42:35.980 purpose.
00:42:37.180 So maybe it's not just
00:42:38.200 a goofy Greta, oh, 0.95
00:42:39.600 teehee, this is good
00:42:40.760 for the environment.
00:42:41.420 Maybe it's diabolical
00:42:42.620 that they want an
00:42:43.860 Alberta separatist
00:42:44.720 movement to run
00:42:46.520 against in 2023.
00:42:47.520 Yeah, I'm not sure
00:42:50.660 that they're that
00:42:51.280 clever, but I think
00:42:53.640 that doesn't bother
00:42:54.520 them.
00:42:54.860 I mean, I'm sure
00:42:55.540 that that scenario
00:42:57.880 has been put to
00:42:58.980 them by some of
00:43:01.160 their strategists, by
00:43:01.940 some of the cabinet
00:43:02.620 ministers, and the
00:43:04.000 response has been,
00:43:05.160 yeah, so, you know,
00:43:07.040 I think they would be
00:43:08.860 quite happy to have
00:43:10.740 that happen.
00:43:11.420 I'm not quite sure
00:43:12.720 that they're clever
00:43:14.060 enough to make that
00:43:15.400 their goal, but
00:43:17.640 that's certainly
00:43:18.840 him.
00:43:19.060 I think we're
00:43:20.120 getting set up for
00:43:21.160 an announcement
00:43:22.100 sometime, maybe not
00:43:24.220 soon, but maybe this
00:43:25.200 year sometime, that
00:43:26.500 Trans Mountain won't 1.00
00:43:27.200 go ahead.
00:43:27.660 You notice that the
00:43:28.820 feds let it be known
00:43:31.140 that the price of the
00:43:32.480 pipeline has almost
00:43:33.460 doubled since they
00:43:34.520 bought it, largely
00:43:36.080 because of all of the
00:43:37.500 delays that they have
00:43:38.800 allowed to happen.
00:43:40.340 And I think they're
00:43:41.720 going to, you know,
00:43:43.020 they're going to say
00:43:43.600 to voters in the
00:43:45.260 Lower Mainland and
00:43:46.040 BC, Quebec, and
00:43:47.100 Ontario, where they
00:43:47.820 don't really care
00:43:48.960 about pipelines anyway.
00:43:50.640 Well, we don't want
00:43:52.140 you as taxpayers to be
00:43:53.500 on the hook for this
00:43:54.300 very expensive project.
00:43:56.480 And so, to save you,
00:43:58.460 we're going to kill it.
00:44:00.320 At which point, you
00:44:01.620 know, you're going to
00:44:02.960 have to redraw the
00:44:03.680 map of Canada.
00:44:04.440 I really do think
00:44:05.560 that that's a serious,
00:44:07.820 serious possibility.
00:44:09.900 Well, these are
00:44:10.920 dangerous days, that's
00:44:11.880 for sure.
00:44:12.320 Lauren Gunter, it's
00:44:12.860 great to have you,
00:44:13.720 as always, on the
00:44:15.240 show.
00:44:15.480 Thanks very much
00:44:16.020 for your time.
00:44:17.400 You bet.
00:44:18.060 All right, there you
00:44:18.600 have it.
00:44:18.940 Lauren's column in the 0.51
00:44:20.200 Edmonton Sun is called
00:44:21.340 Ottawa Faction, appears
00:44:23.920 to be readying green
00:44:25.120 jobs retraining rather
00:44:26.380 than approved frontier
00:44:27.500 mine.
00:44:28.240 A terrifying lead.
00:44:29.720 Stay with us, more
00:44:30.460 ahead on the level.
00:44:31.320 Well, tomorrow I'll get
00:44:41.860 back to regular shows.
00:44:43.540 I just, my head is still
00:44:44.780 reeling by the absurd and
00:44:46.980 bizarre encounter I had
00:44:48.540 yesterday.
00:44:49.040 I was flying to Halifax,
00:44:51.120 thinking I would see
00:44:52.600 Omar Khadr on the stage
00:44:53.680 only.
00:44:54.380 Not thinking he would be
00:44:55.340 on the same plane as me,
00:44:56.400 just a few rows ahead.
00:44:57.400 I probably could have
00:44:59.240 predicted that the media
00:45:00.280 party would completely
00:45:01.240 ignore it.
00:45:01.840 They love the fact that
00:45:02.820 Khadr's flying around.
00:45:04.580 They would like to sit
00:45:05.480 next to him.
00:45:07.500 Until next time, on behalf
00:45:09.120 of all of us here at
00:45:09.960 Rebel World Headquarters,
00:45:10.900 to you at home, good
00:45:11.880 night, and keep fighting
00:45:13.480 for freedom.
00:45:13.960 and keep fighting for
00:45:14.620 fire.
00:45:25.740 Check out.
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