Rebel News Podcast - One day after Trudeau brags about having Jody Wilson-Raybould in his cabinet, she quits

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00:00:08.320 Today we just go really deep on Jody Wilson-Raybould.

00:00:11.120 Wow.

00:00:12.300 Just yesterday, Justin Trudeau was bragging about how, well, obviously she still supports him.

00:00:17.720 She's in his cabinet.

00:00:18.540 Well, today she resigned.

00:00:20.540 Great letter.

00:00:21.440 And she's hiring a former Supreme Court judge as her lawyer. 1.00

00:00:25.600 I won't give it any more away.

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00:01:17.840 Tonight, a day after Trudeau bragged about Jody Wilson-Raybould being in his cabinet, well, she quits. 1.00

00:01:25.220 It's February 12th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:29.800 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:33.540 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:37.600 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:43.460 Let me show you some body language. 0.89

00:01:52.160 Let's start with when The Globe and Mail first released their bombshell investigation into corruption at the engineering firm called SNC-Lavalin

00:02:00.380 and the pressure that was put on former Canadian Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould to drop criminal charges against SNC-Lavalin.

00:02:10.520 It was a meticulous report by The Globe.

00:02:12.620 It was comprehensive.

00:02:13.800 It appeared to have many sources.

00:02:15.920 It was shocking.

00:02:17.080 Look at that front page.

00:02:19.620 So here's Justin Trudeau answering a question about it.

00:02:24.460 He looked nervous and wobbly and irritated and stressed.

00:02:28.260 And frankly, he looked like he was lying.

00:02:32.100 Listen to the question and his over-lawyered answer.

00:02:36.360 And listen to the reporter asking a supplementary question, pointing out he didn't answer.

00:02:41.040 And listen to this exact same over-lawyered answer.

00:02:44.880 And you tell me, does Justin Trudeau look confident, happy, innocent here?

00:02:52.320 The allegations in The Globe's story this morning are false.

00:02:57.760 Neither the current nor the previous Attorney General was ever directed by me or by anyone in my office to take a decision in this matter.

00:03:08.760 The allegations reported in the story are false.

00:03:13.140 At no time did I or my office direct the current or previous Attorney General to make any particular decision in this matter.

00:03:24.040 But not necessarily direct, Prime Minister.

00:03:26.040 Was there any sort of influence whatsoever?

00:03:28.540 As I've said, at no time did we direct the Attorney General, current or previous, to take any decision whatsoever in this matter. 0.95

00:03:40.320 No, he looks like a liar there.

00:03:43.780 But then yesterday, a whole different Justin Trudeau.

00:03:48.260 He was in British Columbia to campaign in a by-election in Burnaby.

00:03:51.360 And he was asked about Jody Wilson-Raybould.

00:03:54.080 Naturally, she's from B.C. 0.99

00:03:55.920 She's news anywhere, but especially there.

00:03:57.940 So listen to him now and watch him.

00:04:01.180 Actually, you get the same message with the sound off.

00:04:03.460 In fact, let's do that.

00:04:04.380 Let's watch this clip first with the sound off.

00:04:11.500 Just watch it for a sec.

00:04:12.740 Just let it go.

00:04:16.160 Look at that.

00:04:16.840 He's got a bit of a grin.

00:04:18.940 Look at those eyes.

00:04:20.800 He's got that sparkle in his eyes.

00:04:23.120 It's a little bit frisky.

00:04:24.260 He doesn't look sullen anymore.

00:04:28.220 He's got those, he's got the eyebrows going on.

00:04:31.820 Just let it roll a bit.

00:04:33.640 He's not sad anymore.

00:04:35.140 Look at that.

00:04:35.540 Here comes the smile.

00:04:36.540 Here comes the smile.

00:04:39.100 Yeah.

00:04:39.880 Yeah.

00:04:41.340 Just watch.

00:04:45.900 He looks like a winner.

00:04:48.300 Look at that.

00:04:48.920 Here it comes.

00:04:49.500 Here it comes.

00:04:50.100 He looks like a winner who has won.

00:04:56.420 Okay, now let's listen to him.

00:04:58.500 Let's listen to him.

00:04:59.540 But you already know what he said.

00:05:00.680 Take a listen.

00:05:01.820 Now, I have met with Minister Wilson-Raybould a couple of times already since arriving in BC yesterday.

00:05:09.520 We spoke about our shared goals for our country and for this government.

00:05:13.520 She confirmed for me a conversation we had this fall where I told her directly that any decisions on matters involving the Director of Public Prosecutions were hers alone.

00:05:26.260 I respect her view that due to privilege, she cannot comment or add on matters recently before the media.

00:05:35.920 And I also highlight that we're bound by cabinet confidentiality.

00:05:40.060 In our system of government, of course, her presence in cabinet should actually speak for itself.

00:05:46.560 But you knew what he was saying just by looking at that smug smirk.

00:05:53.460 Let me translate.

00:05:54.500 Ha ha! 0.86

00:05:55.320 I'm the only one in this argument who can talk about it because I'm not freeing Jody Wilson-Raybould from any confidentiality requirements.

00:06:02.740 So you can pass her all you like, but you're only going to get my side of the story.

00:06:06.380 And by the way, she obviously likes me.

00:06:09.260 She obviously trusts me and respects me.

00:06:11.340 And you know that because she's still in my cabinet.

00:06:14.720 So obviously she's pleased with everything.

00:06:16.840 I mean, if she wasn't, she'd quit or I'd fire her, right?

00:06:21.980 There was an implication there.

00:06:23.680 Not only was Wilson-Raybould happy to be part of Team Trudeau, but he still has some power over her.

00:06:28.960 Because, of course, every cabinet minister serves only the pleasure of the prime minister.

00:06:33.640 She still had something to lose.

00:06:36.400 He still had power over her.

00:06:38.380 That grin, though.

00:06:40.800 That grin.

00:06:42.480 I don't think she liked that grin.

00:06:47.560 That grin works on teenage girls. 1.00

00:06:50.560 Teenage girls love that grin.

00:06:53.840 But not a 47-year-old cabinet minister who was just sacked as justice minister for not going along with Quebec corruption.

00:07:03.340 So she quit.

00:07:05.920 Trudeau's never had that happen to him before.

00:07:08.380 Oh, Scott Bryson quit in the midst of a scandal, too.

00:07:11.380 But that's because he's in deep political trouble.

00:07:13.640 I mean, no one has quit Trudeau's cabinet on principle.

00:07:16.740 That's quite rare these days, isn't it?

00:07:20.800 Look at her letter, resigning.

00:07:23.160 She quit as Veterans Affairs Minister.

00:07:24.920 But look, about two-thirds of the way down, could I quote?

00:07:26.940 She says,

00:07:27.240 Oh, just that.

00:07:46.700 Oh, she's lawyered up.

00:07:49.420 Oh, with just a former Supreme Court judge as her lawyer. 0.95

00:07:52.960 No biggie.

00:07:53.880 You know, kind of guy you get to do a real estate deal for you.

00:07:57.840 Oh, my God.

00:07:59.380 A former Supreme Court judge as her lawyer.

00:08:01.660 And I don't know if you noticed, she signed that letter, Pugless.

00:08:05.280 You look at that.

00:08:05.820 You see it there respectfully?

00:08:07.500 Pugless, the Honorable.

00:08:08.340 So that's an Aboriginal name, which actually means Honorable, Honorable Host.

00:08:14.640 As in, you can't buy her off with a few shiny baubles, Justin.

00:08:20.800 Jody Wilson, Ray Bull's dad, Bill Wilson, has been raging against Trudeau on behalf of his daughter.

00:08:27.780 Here's a Facebook post.

00:08:28.820 You know, he's an Aboriginal politician, too.

00:08:30.760 He fought against Pierre Trudeau back in the day.

00:08:33.320 He says he hasn't spoken about confidential matters with his daughter,

00:08:36.060 but she knows how to fight and won't dishonor herself or her family.

00:08:39.840 I believe that.

00:08:40.840 Can I read to you a bit from a recent interview he did with McLean's magazine?

00:08:45.860 Let me just read a bit.

00:08:46.840 He says, they said to him,

00:08:48.180 Do you believe she'll come away from this clean?

00:08:50.120 And he said, I believe so.

00:08:51.620 I believe she could lose her career as a white politician. 1.00

00:08:54.900 You don't cross SNC-Lavalin and get away with it.

00:08:57.560 I think her career could be in jeopardy, but why not?

00:08:59.920 If your career is based on dishonesty, lose it.

00:09:02.320 If your career hinges on integrity, then keep your integrity.

00:09:06.060 And they ask him again, even if she's cleared in all of this,

00:09:08.740 you still think her career's in jeopardy.

00:09:10.860 And her dad answered, I don't think there's any question about that.

00:09:14.620 Look at what young Trudeau did to her.

00:09:16.580 Kicked her in the teeth and put her in veterans affairs. 0.99

00:09:19.080 There's no cabinet position lower than that. 0.99

00:09:21.600 He kicked her as far down in the cabinet hierarchy as you could possibly go. 0.96

00:09:25.820 The next lowest is Indian affairs.

00:09:29.240 Ouch, ouch, ouch.

00:09:31.740 But that's probably true.

00:09:32.840 But, you know, there's no depth to which politicians will not sink,

00:09:37.780 will not debase themselves to.

00:09:39.720 If it buys them some perks and power.

00:09:41.640 I mean, David Lamedi, the newest justice minister,

00:09:44.080 he's not only said that he doesn't think any investigation in this whole thing is necessary,

00:09:48.420 he actually told reporters that he might just let SNC-Lavalin off the hook anyways.

00:09:56.040 He's still considering dropping the charges against them in the middle of all this.

00:10:01.020 So, yeah, I wonder what else he's agreed to do to keep his job.

00:10:06.460 Lamedi, at least, is a qualified justice minister.

00:10:09.080 And I don't mean that he's just that he's an obedient liberal.

00:10:12.520 I mean, he's a law professor, regarded as smart.

00:10:14.860 You can't say the same for most of Trudeau's affirmative action hires, though.

00:10:18.040 I mean, Miriam Monsef, just a walking, talking joke.

00:10:22.620 Catherine McKenna, a.k.a. Climate Barbie. 0.83

00:10:25.640 Bardish Chagger, the least accomplished of them all, perhaps? 0.98

00:10:29.360 Christy Duncan.

00:10:30.680 None of these cabinet ministers are of any note. 0.89

00:10:33.920 Monsef herself, a fraudulent refugee. 1.00

00:10:36.960 Remember? 0.80

00:10:37.440 She's the one who lied and continued to lie as an adult

00:10:42.240 about the circumstances in which she came to Canada as a refugee.

00:10:46.240 Remember this?

00:10:46.780 Sir, you were born in Afghanistan, correct?

00:10:49.260 I believe I was. 0.88

00:10:51.340 Oh, my God, what a liar she wasn't. 1.00

00:10:54.560 In fact, she lied on her refugee application to get in.

00:10:58.680 Seriously, come to think of it, Christy Duncan also lied.

00:11:02.900 She said she was a Nobel Prize winner in her campaign materials.

00:11:06.960 In fact, the Nobel Committee has never even heard of her.

00:11:10.460 These are grifters and graspers,

00:11:12.340 and they were only too happy to do a deal with Trudeau.

00:11:14.520 He'd hire them for his cabinet as race and gender tokens. 0.95

00:11:19.040 And in return for this salary top-up and perks and prestige,

00:11:24.920 they would give him political cover to do whatever he wants,

00:11:28.780 including, for example, getting away with groping Rose Knight,

00:11:32.700 a reporter in Creston, B.C.

00:11:34.840 All these women knew that was part of the deal. 0.79

00:11:37.220 Cover for Trudeau and keep your job.

00:11:39.520 They're thrilled.

00:11:41.020 It's the best job any of them will ever have.

00:11:44.620 They have no real skills.

00:11:46.500 What can Mariam Monsef do in the real world?

00:11:49.500 In Trudeau's world, recruiting Jody Wilson-Raybould was the best of all, though,

00:11:57.140 an aboriginal woman, a woman of color from the West Coast,

00:12:01.900 as Justice Minister, no less, daughter of a hereditary Indian chief.

00:12:06.500 In the poker game of political correctness, that's the royal flush.

00:12:09.840 Look at that.

00:12:10.320 Look at that picture.

00:12:11.300 Look at that.

00:12:13.140 Trudeau giving her the googly eyes.

00:12:15.460 Her beaming with real pride.

00:12:17.120 And look in the background there.

00:12:19.140 You've got to make sure you see them.

00:12:20.980 Gerald Butts, Principal Secretary, Katie Telford, Chief of Staff,

00:12:24.980 watching approvingly.

00:12:27.800 They're the SNC-Lavalin crew.

00:12:30.500 I don't think Jody Wilson-Raybould knew it then.

00:12:33.560 Oh, she sure knows it now.

00:12:35.780 She thought she was going to be a real justice minister.

00:12:38.440 Look at that look on her face. 1.00

00:12:39.700 That wasn't the look of someone getting a bone thrown to her. 0.96

00:12:42.820 That was someone who said, this is a great opportunity.

00:12:45.000 Didn't she know?

00:12:46.000 Didn't she know that like Mariam Montseff and Bartish Chagher

00:12:50.440 and Catherine McKenna and Christy Duncan and the rest,

00:12:52.340 didn't she know her only purpose was window dressing? 0.94

00:12:55.320 To do what she was told?

00:12:57.340 To defend the Montreal Mafia there of Trudeau and Butts?

00:13:02.480 What delicious irony that she is the only one in Trudeau's cabinet

00:13:07.880 who actually took her job seriously and acted with integrity

00:13:11.680 and loyalty to the whole country, to the law,

00:13:13.860 to Queen Elizabeth, you could say.

00:13:16.000 How do you think this is going to go over with everyone and anyone

00:13:20.100 who believed the googly eyes, Trudeau?

00:13:22.680 The friend to all, lovable, huggable Trudeau of every gay pride parade,

00:13:27.380 of every aboriginal photo op, of every ethnic gathering,

00:13:30.740 Jody Wilson-Raybould proofs.

00:13:32.280 It's all a lie.

00:13:33.500 It's all just for show.

00:13:34.600 When push comes to shove, Trudeau is not about every ethnic group

00:13:39.600 and grievance group and race and gender group.

00:13:41.960 No, no.

00:13:42.840 That's all fake.

00:13:44.460 When push comes to shove, he answers to Neil Bruce,

00:13:49.340 the CEO of SNC-Lavalin,

00:13:51.700 whose company lobbied the PMO directly a dozen times

00:13:56.360 to push Jody Wilson-Raybould around.

00:13:58.860 Trudeau chose SNC-Lavalin over her.

00:14:03.400 It was a lie.

00:14:04.480 So much of Trudeau is a lie.

00:14:05.880 It's fake.

00:14:06.460 It's shallow.

00:14:07.120 He has this generic aboriginal tattoo on his shoulder.

00:14:11.640 Look at him.

00:14:12.520 How cringe is that?

00:14:14.440 It was cool and woke before.

00:14:17.720 Just ask him.

00:14:18.560 No, no, that's not cultural appropriation.

00:14:20.520 No, no, no, never.

00:14:21.360 It was proof of how cool Trudeau is.

00:14:23.660 Cool enough to appoint Jody Wilson-Raybould,

00:14:25.780 the justice minister,

00:14:26.660 he just never expected her to do any thinking on her own.

00:14:30.080 She had too much to think.

00:14:33.400 Come to think of it,

00:14:34.140 Trudeau has said and done strange things about Indians before.

00:14:38.020 Hey, do you remember this?

00:14:39.700 We're both known for our long hair on the hill.

00:14:42.620 Let's say the loser gets a haircut.

00:14:44.920 He resisted back a little bit, 0.71

00:14:46.880 you know, pointing out that hair has a cultural significance

00:14:49.800 for First Nations peoples.

00:14:51.020 And I said, I know.

00:14:52.640 That's why I proposed it.

00:14:53.860 When a warrior cuts his hair, it's a sign of shame.

00:14:56.020 So it's very apropos.

00:15:00.460 Guys, yeah, I absolutely know I was shaming

00:15:03.920 an aboriginal senator, Patrick Bresla.

00:15:07.600 Yeah, I know.

00:15:10.020 I know you're going to shave your head 0.89

00:15:12.380 because I know that's how to humiliate you guys.

00:15:19.740 I think that's the real Justin Trudeau.

00:15:23.380 He uses aboriginal imagery,

00:15:25.300 a tattoo or haircut or justice minister,

00:15:28.820 just to pursue his own interests

00:15:30.960 and those of his buddies.

00:15:32.100 Well, now he's met someone who won't go along with it.

00:15:36.040 I wonder how this is going to end.

00:15:38.380 I wonder how this is going to end.

00:15:40.700 Stay with us for an extended discussion about this.

00:15:42.880 Now, I have met with Minister Wilson-Raybould

00:16:00.580 a couple of times already since arriving in B.C. yesterday.

00:16:05.320 We spoke about our shared goals for our country

00:16:07.860 and for this government.

00:16:09.000 She confirmed for me a conversation we had this fall

00:16:12.440 where I told her directly

00:16:14.920 that any decisions on matters

00:16:17.260 involving the director of public prosecutions

00:16:20.040 were hers alone.

00:16:22.400 I respect her view that due to privilege,

00:16:25.280 she cannot comment or add

00:16:27.580 on matters recently before the media.

00:16:30.500 And I also highlight that we're bound

00:16:33.280 by cabinet confidentiality.

00:16:35.740 In our system of government, of course,

00:16:38.280 her presence in cabinet

00:16:40.120 should actually speak for itself.

00:16:43.020 Well, that was Justin Trudeau yesterday saying,

00:16:45.880 well, look, the fact that Jody Wilson-Raybould,

00:16:49.320 who I allegedly fired, according to the Globe and Mail,

00:16:52.600 the fact that she's still a loyal cabinet minister,

00:16:55.260 that tells you everything you need to know.

00:16:57.260 No, she's totally behind me. 0.74

00:16:59.320 Well, today, Jody Wilson-Raybould quit cabinet,

00:17:02.920 sending shockwaves through the entire political system,

00:17:07.640 I would say.

00:17:08.160 Let me quote two lines from it.

00:17:10.140 Dear Prime Minister, with a heavy heart,

00:17:11.560 I am writing to tender my resignation

00:17:13.040 as the Minister of Veterans Affairs

00:17:14.820 and Associate Minister of National Defense.

00:17:16.860 And let me skip down,

00:17:18.620 about two-thirds of the way down,

00:17:19.780 she says,

00:17:20.140 I am aware that many Canadians wish for me

00:17:23.500 to speak on matters that have been in the media

00:17:25.200 over the last week.

00:17:26.080 I am in the process of obtaining advice

00:17:28.720 on the topics that I am legally permitted

00:17:31.360 to discuss in this matter,

00:17:32.740 and as such, have retained

00:17:34.560 the Honorable Thomas Albert Cromwell, C.C.,

00:17:38.420 as counsel.

00:17:39.700 And just one last point,

00:17:40.960 she signs it,

00:17:42.320 Puglis, that is her aboriginal name,

00:17:45.260 above her English name,

00:17:47.000 Jody Wilson-Raybould.

00:17:48.680 That is a fighting document.

00:17:50.780 The fact that she's retained

00:17:51.720 a former Supreme Court judge

00:17:53.220 to give her advice

00:17:54.860 to tell her what to do

00:17:56.220 and how to talk about this

00:17:57.820 is very interesting to me.

00:18:00.440 There are real questions

00:18:01.400 about whether or not

00:18:02.180 she actually has

00:18:03.920 solicitor-client privilege

00:18:05.940 on this matter

00:18:07.120 that she has to submit to.

00:18:08.840 Justin Trudeau, of course,

00:18:09.860 could waive any such privilege

00:18:10.960 and say,

00:18:11.700 oh, you're free to talk,

00:18:12.860 I release you from that,

00:18:13.720 but he won't.

00:18:14.840 The government's in a panic.

00:18:16.400 As we record this,

00:18:17.700 Trudeau has already delayed

00:18:18.900 his press conference today

00:18:20.100 several times,

00:18:21.860 getting his ducks in a row,

00:18:23.380 I imagine.

00:18:24.740 The crisis is spreading,

00:18:26.240 and joining us now

00:18:27.080 is someone who I think

00:18:28.320 is uniquely positioned

00:18:29.480 to talk about this.

00:18:30.960 Let me just tell you

00:18:31.540 his biography.

00:18:32.140 You'll guess

00:18:32.740 who I'm talking about.

00:18:35.140 Former lawyer

00:18:36.340 to a prime minister.

00:18:38.460 Former boss

00:18:39.580 of a national law firm.

00:18:42.440 Someone who knows law

00:18:43.840 and politics

00:18:44.600 and where they overlap.

00:18:46.300 I'm talking about

00:18:46.980 our friend

00:18:47.340 Mandine Montenegrino,

00:18:49.140 the boss of Think Sharp,

00:18:50.740 who joined us now

00:18:51.380 via Skype from Ottawa.

00:18:52.740 Holy cow, Manny!

00:18:54.100 What a challenge!

00:18:55.460 Trudeau has gotten himself in.

00:18:56.780 Just for one second

00:18:57.900 before we get into it,

00:18:59.400 if you were his lawyer,

00:19:00.760 and I know you never would be,

00:19:02.440 but you were the lawyer

00:19:03.080 to the other prime minister,

00:19:04.600 if you were Trudeau's lawyer,

00:19:05.720 what would your

00:19:06.120 simplest advice to him be?

00:19:09.240 I'd say to Justin Trudeau,

00:19:12.120 what do you think

00:19:13.180 you should do?

00:19:14.440 And whatever he said,

00:19:16.100 I'd say do the opposite.

00:19:19.880 Manny, come on! 0.99

00:19:21.780 All right.

00:19:24.580 Let's get serious.

00:19:26.580 Here's what's...

00:19:27.500 There is so much,

00:19:28.960 so much in this discussion

00:19:32.420 that we're going to have.

00:19:33.880 What the prime minister did yesterday

00:19:36.000 was egregious.

00:19:37.720 Here he is,

00:19:39.000 he's protected by solicitor-client privilege,

00:19:42.360 yet goes out and speaks

00:19:43.780 not only for himself,

00:19:45.700 but tries to speak

00:19:47.040 for the once attorney general.

00:19:52.480 I mean, that is egregious.

00:19:54.220 If you have solicitor-client privilege,

00:19:56.180 don't speak.

00:19:57.680 Do not.

00:19:58.140 So he sat there

00:19:59.620 and purported to speak for her.

00:20:02.200 That must have outraged.

00:20:03.880 And then he gave

00:20:04.660 two veil warnings to her.

00:20:07.560 You're caught

00:20:08.280 by cabinet confidentiality,

00:20:10.540 and you're caught

00:20:11.540 by solicitor-client.

00:20:13.080 So you do not speak.

00:20:16.440 What does she do the next day?

00:20:18.280 She resigns from cabinet,

00:20:20.060 so she has no cabinet

00:20:21.300 responsibility

00:20:22.500 or confidentiality,

00:20:24.300 and she retains a top judge,

00:20:27.080 a judge of the Supreme Court

00:20:28.500 who's retired,

00:20:29.200 to give her advice to speak.

00:20:31.660 That's what she's done.

00:20:33.220 And it is incredible

00:20:34.300 that the prime minister

00:20:35.300 would have so much arrogance

00:20:36.720 to treat

00:20:37.780 to treat the independent

00:20:40.460 attorney general

00:20:41.400 who's there to protect

00:20:42.680 the justice

00:20:43.400 of all Canadians.

00:20:45.000 I mean, Ezra,

00:20:46.380 we've had

00:20:47.220 the Canadian Bar Association.

00:20:49.560 We've had

00:20:50.080 the Civil Liberties Union.

00:20:51.940 We've had

00:20:52.520 every lawyer

00:20:53.840 say what he has done

00:20:55.420 is wrong,

00:20:56.520 and he's taking on

00:20:58.140 Canada's justice system.

00:20:59.900 And thank God

00:21:01.760 we have

00:21:02.720 our

00:21:04.320 ex-attorney general

00:21:06.540 that sees fit

00:21:07.560 to put

00:21:08.060 the justice system.

00:21:09.380 And I find it ironic

00:21:10.440 that an Indigenous woman

00:21:11.880 is protecting

00:21:13.360 our

00:21:14.020 justice system,

00:21:15.820 which

00:21:15.960 stems back

00:21:17.460 to common law

00:21:18.480 England.

00:21:20.600 And there she is

00:21:21.560 protecting

00:21:22.080 for all Canadians

00:21:23.160 our justice system

00:21:24.720 against

00:21:25.640 a privileged

00:21:26.880 prime minister

00:21:29.020 who hides

00:21:30.080 behind his

00:21:30.860 privilege.

00:21:31.880 Now, Ezra,

00:21:33.160 there are more

00:21:34.500 and more

00:21:35.040 terrible things

00:21:36.420 about this file.

00:21:38.660 We have

00:21:39.260 the new

00:21:39.800 attorney general

00:21:40.540 that won't even

00:21:41.720 interview

00:21:43.380 the past

00:21:44.460 attorney general

00:21:45.160 who's been so courageous.

00:21:47.000 He won't even

00:21:47.480 interview her.

00:21:49.620 We have

00:21:51.080 the ethics

00:21:52.400 commissioner

00:21:52.920 just

00:21:53.560 seeing enough

00:21:54.860 information

00:21:55.480 to set up

00:21:56.420 an investigation,

00:21:58.300 yet

00:21:58.500 yet the new

00:21:59.980 attorney general

00:22:01.240 David Lamedi

00:22:02.960 won't even

00:22:03.900 interview anybody

00:22:04.960 in this crisis.

00:22:06.040 He's not

00:22:06.540 upholding

00:22:07.380 his duties

00:22:08.680 as attorney general.

00:22:10.560 We have

00:22:11.180 the prime minister

00:22:12.060 who's been found

00:22:13.180 guilty

00:22:13.860 five times

00:22:15.140 by an ethics

00:22:16.420 commissioner,

00:22:16.840 which is a judge,

00:22:17.960 virtually a judge.

00:22:19.040 It's a judicial,

00:22:20.080 a quasi-judicial body.

00:22:22.140 Five times

00:22:23.020 as being

00:22:23.800 and very,

00:22:25.340 very important

00:22:26.420 breaches.

00:22:27.180 One of them

00:22:28.000 is he failed

00:22:28.820 to recuse

00:22:29.500 himself.

00:22:30.580 The prime minister

00:22:31.260 was found guilty

00:22:32.120 for failing

00:22:32.700 to recuse

00:22:33.380 himself,

00:22:34.020 i.e.

00:22:34.320 not having

00:22:35.020 the judgment

00:22:36.020 to walk away

00:22:37.260 from a

00:22:38.280 conflict

00:22:39.320 situation.

00:22:40.920 And that's

00:22:41.380 similar to what

00:22:42.040 he's doing

00:22:42.700 at the PMO

00:22:44.220 or the accusations

00:22:45.160 that he's doing.

00:22:46.280 He was found

00:22:47.880 by the ethics

00:22:49.260 commissioner

00:22:49.760 to not

00:22:50.720 to be credible.

00:22:51.880 Now that is

00:22:52.520 the first time

00:22:53.660 in history

00:22:54.340 a prime minister

00:22:55.400 was found

00:22:56.200 not to be

00:22:56.760 credible

00:22:57.160 by a

00:22:58.620 judicial

00:23:00.680 officer.

00:23:01.740 Now we know

00:23:02.340 what not

00:23:02.900 credible means.

00:23:04.120 The judge

00:23:04.500 thinks they lied.

00:23:05.620 That was on the

00:23:06.280 issue of

00:23:07.100 he's a friend.

00:23:08.620 The Aga Khan

00:23:09.580 was a friend.

00:23:10.660 Well,

00:23:11.120 that was his

00:23:11.740 excuse.

00:23:12.560 A judge said,

00:23:13.520 no,

00:23:13.900 I don't take

00:23:14.780 your word.

00:23:16.020 And when you

00:23:16.500 have a judge

00:23:18.380 saying that

00:23:19.100 or a judicial

00:23:19.640 officer saying that

00:23:20.660 and then you have

00:23:21.260 the attorney

00:23:21.780 general believing

00:23:22.580 every word

00:23:23.700 that the prime

00:23:24.580 minister is saying

00:23:25.260 and will not

00:23:25.780 investigate when

00:23:26.900 there's evidence

00:23:27.620 that he was

00:23:28.480 found not to

00:23:29.500 be truthful

00:23:30.160 in by another

00:23:31.740 jurist,

00:23:32.760 it's frightening.

00:23:35.580 Manny,

00:23:36.140 you've said so

00:23:36.580 many things.

00:23:37.040 I've been taking

00:23:37.540 some notes.

00:23:38.580 Can I unpack

00:23:40.140 a few of these

00:23:40.820 different things?

00:23:41.580 Because each

00:23:42.160 one of them

00:23:42.660 is a devastating

00:23:45.040 point.

00:23:45.700 And we haven't

00:23:46.600 even talked

00:23:47.100 about what

00:23:48.020 was said in

00:23:49.100 Atlantic Canada

00:23:50.060 yesterday in

00:23:51.400 the trial of

00:23:52.420 the suspended

00:23:53.000 vice-admiral

00:23:53.780 Mark Norman.

00:23:55.180 And I guess

00:23:56.320 that's another

00:23:57.080 point.

00:23:57.600 But let me ask

00:23:58.260 you about

00:23:58.660 solicitor-client

00:23:59.780 privilege.

00:24:00.300 As I described

00:24:01.020 it yesterday,

00:24:01.500 it's sort of

00:24:01.900 like when you

00:24:02.300 go confess

00:24:03.480 something to

00:24:04.120 a priest or

00:24:05.180 tell something

00:24:05.860 to your doctor.

00:24:06.680 There's sort

00:24:07.020 of a privilege

00:24:08.180 about that that's

00:24:09.000 a deep secret

00:24:10.000 that the priest

00:24:10.580 can say,

00:24:10.980 oh, I'm not

00:24:11.360 going to tell

00:24:11.760 anyone.

00:24:13.060 And that's

00:24:13.640 what solicitor-client

00:24:14.320 privilege is.

00:24:15.000 It's on an

00:24:15.320 occasion of,

00:24:16.560 because public

00:24:17.740 policy is you

00:24:18.460 want people to

00:24:19.160 be able to

00:24:19.480 have very

00:24:20.320 candid conversations.

00:24:21.480 Even if it's

00:24:22.140 embarrassing,

00:24:23.000 you want them

00:24:23.540 to know it's

00:24:24.020 secret.

00:24:24.360 But isn't

00:24:25.140 one of the

00:24:25.600 rules, I mean,

00:24:26.360 I'm a former

00:24:26.760 lawyer myself,

00:24:27.900 Manny, obviously 0.92

00:24:29.400 didn't have as

00:24:30.260 much practice

00:24:30.760 as you, but

00:24:31.740 isn't one of

00:24:32.240 the things about

00:24:32.800 solicitor-client

00:24:33.460 privilege is if

00:24:34.920 the client,

00:24:36.320 which in this

00:24:36.880 case presumably

00:24:37.580 is Trudeau,

00:24:38.540 if he starts

00:24:39.380 to blab about

00:24:40.380 what was

00:24:41.080 discussed, that

00:24:42.880 waives or

00:24:44.080 voids the

00:24:45.600 privilege.

00:24:46.160 So if he

00:24:47.780 said, well,

00:24:48.240 I can't tell

00:24:48.760 you what we

00:24:49.060 discussed,

00:24:49.480 it was super

00:24:49.900 secret, and

00:24:50.440 if he would

00:24:50.780 stop there,

00:24:51.880 that's one

00:24:52.260 thing, but

00:24:52.920 then if he

00:24:53.260 says, oh,

00:24:53.580 and it was

00:24:53.820 great, and

00:24:54.300 we said

00:24:54.620 this, and

00:24:54.980 we said

00:24:55.240 that, that's

00:24:56.820 waived, and

00:24:57.580 now there's

00:24:58.020 no more

00:24:58.440 privilege.

00:24:58.980 Am I right

00:24:59.900 legally in

00:25:00.580 that, Manny?

00:25:01.300 Well, I think

00:25:02.580 yes, you are

00:25:03.460 right.

00:25:04.080 I mean,

00:25:04.340 privilege, first

00:25:05.280 of all, there's

00:25:05.720 a whole question

00:25:06.660 whether there

00:25:07.600 is a solicitor-client

00:25:08.880 privilege between

00:25:09.940 the Attorney

00:25:10.700 General exercising

00:25:12.080 her duty and

00:25:13.340 whoever.

00:25:15.140 You know, the

00:25:15.720 Prime Minister is

00:25:16.540 not her client.

00:25:17.300 I will

00:25:18.300 certainly say

00:25:18.980 this, where

00:25:19.820 these discussions

00:25:20.640 were happening

00:25:21.200 were the

00:25:21.560 Prime Minister's

00:25:22.340 office.

00:25:23.300 There were at

00:25:23.960 least 10

00:25:24.460 people in

00:25:24.900 that room.

00:25:26.260 They don't

00:25:27.200 enjoy privilege.

00:25:28.260 I do not

00:25:28.820 know why the

00:25:30.160 new Attorney

00:25:31.220 General or

00:25:32.120 anyone else or

00:25:33.380 the media is not

00:25:34.200 interviewing these

00:25:34.840 10 people.

00:25:35.580 They don't enjoy

00:25:36.420 privilege.

00:25:36.980 They never

00:25:37.360 retained the

00:25:38.080 Attorney General.

00:25:38.700 They are PMO

00:25:42.060 staffers, each

00:25:43.160 one of them.

00:25:43.920 The RCMP should

00:25:45.200 be walking in

00:25:45.940 and asking

00:25:46.480 questions because

00:25:47.360 this is about the

00:25:48.040 most serious

00:25:48.600 allegation you

00:25:49.340 can have, which

00:25:50.200 is obstruction of

00:25:51.160 justice.

00:25:51.740 They don't enjoy

00:25:52.560 privilege.

00:25:53.260 Whether the

00:25:53.720 Prime Minister

00:25:54.200 enjoys privilege,

00:25:55.140 that's questionable.

00:25:55.980 There are other

00:25:56.400 Attorney Generals

00:25:57.140 that have said no.

00:25:58.560 There's no

00:25:58.920 privilege.

00:25:59.820 The Attorney

00:26:00.440 General's

00:26:00.940 responsibility is to

00:26:01.880 the Crown.

00:26:02.580 It isn't to a

00:26:03.800 particular person.

00:26:04.820 And that is why

00:26:08.220 she has, I

00:26:09.280 believe that she

00:26:10.960 has received a

00:26:11.940 note, a

00:26:12.480 letter, a

00:26:12.980 threatening note,

00:26:13.600 a letter saying

00:26:14.140 don't speak.

00:26:16.140 I claim

00:26:17.480 privilege and

00:26:18.680 if you speak, I

00:26:19.900 will come after

00:26:20.640 you.

00:26:21.140 So she's retained

00:26:23.240 counsel and

00:26:24.420 she's retained

00:26:25.020 great counsel.

00:26:26.040 There is no

00:26:26.560 privilege.

00:26:26.980 You'll find out

00:26:27.640 that there will

00:26:28.020 be a legal

00:26:28.540 decision by the

00:26:30.200 eminent Supreme

00:26:31.360 Court Justice

00:26:32.040 Cromwell.

00:26:32.680 They'll say

00:26:32.860 privilege does not

00:26:34.740 lie here.

00:26:36.060 You know,

00:26:36.400 Manny, you're so 0.96

00:26:37.000 right.

00:26:37.320 Of course she's

00:26:38.160 received a letter

00:26:38.880 saying you don't

00:26:39.640 say a word.

00:26:40.580 I bet that

00:26:41.360 letter was

00:26:41.900 written, if not

00:26:43.120 by Gerald Butts,

00:26:43.920 by some, maybe

00:26:45.460 a Justice

00:26:45.840 Department lawyer

00:26:46.540 saying you

00:26:47.100 hush up.

00:26:47.980 Because it is,

00:26:48.900 I've heard people

00:26:49.680 say Trudeau was

00:26:51.720 not the client.

00:26:52.500 I mean, it's not

00:26:53.080 a personal

00:26:53.520 relationship.

00:26:54.740 Absolutely not.

00:26:55.540 And I think he

00:26:56.360 was blabbed.

00:26:56.860 I think he

00:26:57.360 provoked her

00:26:57.900 yesterday when he

00:26:58.980 said, huh, the

00:26:59.720 fact she's still 1.00

00:27:00.200 in cabinet tells

00:27:00.920 you all the

00:27:01.240 need to know.

00:27:02.120 I met with

00:27:02.700 her twice.

00:27:03.060 That's the

00:27:03.440 problem.

00:27:03.880 I mean, I

00:27:04.420 think that was

00:27:04.940 too much for

00:27:05.520 her.

00:27:06.040 Let me, you

00:27:06.940 talk about the

00:27:07.980 new Attorney

00:27:08.640 General, David

00:27:10.600 Lamedi, who's a

00:27:12.260 law professor from

00:27:13.860 McGill, actually

00:27:16.180 from the exact

00:27:16.800 same constituency

00:27:18.200 where SNC

00:27:19.420 Lavalin is

00:27:20.100 headquartered.

00:27:20.880 I want to play a

00:27:21.980 short clip from

00:27:22.760 over the weekend

00:27:23.400 where Evan

00:27:25.000 Solomon of CTV

00:27:25.920 did a really good

00:27:26.640 job of just

00:27:27.140 sort of shining a

00:27:29.020 light on the

00:27:29.640 fact that Lamedi

00:27:30.340 has shown a

00:27:31.220 tremendous lack

00:27:32.600 of curiosity,

00:27:33.880 Manny. 0.94

00:27:34.540 That his only

00:27:35.580 source of info,

00:27:36.440 if I'm listening

00:27:37.100 to this clip

00:27:37.720 correctly, he

00:27:39.020 didn't ask the

00:27:39.620 prime minister

00:27:40.060 tough questions.

00:27:41.360 He didn't ask

00:27:41.900 Gerald Butts

00:27:42.400 tough questions.

00:27:43.020 He didn't even

00:27:43.560 talk to his

00:27:45.000 predecessor, Jody

00:27:45.860 Wilson-Raybould.

00:27:46.560 He just watched

00:27:47.340 the news and

00:27:47.840 said, oh, Trudeau

00:27:48.860 said he didn't do

00:27:49.460 anything wrong.

00:27:49.980 That's good enough

00:27:50.500 for me.

00:27:50.780 Here, take a quick

00:27:51.580 look at this clip.

00:27:52.600 How can you say

00:27:53.640 with any degree of

00:27:54.820 certainty that there

00:27:55.980 was no pressure put

00:27:56.880 on her if you don't

00:27:57.760 know?

00:27:58.000 Who told you there

00:27:58.700 was no pressure?

00:27:59.180 The prime minister

00:28:00.060 has said publicly,

00:28:01.060 and I'm basing,

00:28:02.240 I'm basing, the prime

00:28:03.560 minister said that

00:28:04.260 the allegations contained

00:28:06.600 in the Globe and Mail

00:28:07.220 article were false.

00:28:08.740 The prime minister has

00:28:09.840 said that he did not

00:28:10.840 direct my predecessors,

00:28:12.740 so I'm basing it on what

00:28:14.300 he has said publicly.

00:28:14.980 You're a justice minister.

00:28:17.980 Is that, what he said

00:28:19.100 he didn't direct, is he

00:28:20.420 skating using legal

00:28:21.880 language around the

00:28:23.280 idea that there's

00:28:23.980 pressure, that there's

00:28:24.760 room, he may have

00:28:25.660 pressured her in other

00:28:26.800 ways, the prime

00:28:27.900 minister's office.

00:28:28.720 Are you 100% confident

00:28:30.660 that there was no

00:28:32.320 pressure in any way,

00:28:33.260 shape, or form?

00:28:33.880 I can't, look, I

00:28:34.700 can't speak to a

00:28:35.440 relationship that I

00:28:37.360 wasn't privy to.

00:28:38.520 That's clear.

00:28:39.320 But what I can, what

00:28:40.300 I can repeat to you

00:28:41.500 and to Canadians is what

00:28:42.440 the prime minister has

00:28:43.260 said.

00:28:43.440 Manny, just out of

00:28:44.780 curiosity, I mean, just

00:28:46.340 out of due diligence,

00:28:48.400 just out of meticulousness,

00:28:50.520 wouldn't you ask a

00:28:51.440 question?

00:28:51.840 I don't know anyone

00:28:52.740 who would say, oh,

00:28:53.540 yeah, I saw some guy

00:28:54.420 on TV, he said he

00:28:55.300 didn't do it, so that's

00:28:56.140 like, that's the top

00:28:58.900 legal officer in Canada

00:29:00.220 saying just some

00:29:01.380 political soundbites

00:29:02.400 good enough for him,

00:29:03.140 there's nothing to see

00:29:03.740 here.

00:29:04.080 That was, that was

00:29:05.040 cringeworthy.

00:29:06.440 Well, that is actually

00:29:08.040 more egregious to what

00:29:10.360 he's doing to the

00:29:11.820 administration of

00:29:12.620 justice than the

00:29:14.260 alleged obstruction

00:29:16.520 of justice that may

00:29:17.420 have happened at the

00:29:18.320 PMO.

00:29:19.220 The fact that we

00:29:20.500 have the Attorney

00:29:21.420 General, when you

00:29:22.520 have a serious issue

00:29:24.120 raised, you have a

00:29:25.940 minister that was

00:29:26.920 fired from her job, a 1.00

00:29:28.460 minister that's not

00:29:29.180 retired, and not

00:29:30.520 investigate, I mean, I

00:29:32.300 simply put it to this,

00:29:33.380 I think I did a tweet

00:29:34.340 towards, there will be

00:29:37.160 no crime in Canada if

00:29:39.360 that's the standard of

00:29:40.780 the Attorney General, if

00:29:42.060 all the accused has to

00:29:43.420 say is it never

00:29:44.400 happened, and no

00:29:45.300 further investigation

00:29:46.460 about the victims or

00:29:48.780 anyone else, there are

00:29:49.940 no crimes in Canada, we

00:29:51.220 have solved all crimes in

00:29:52.720 Canada, because all you

00:29:54.260 need is the accused to

00:29:55.100 say nothing happened.

00:29:56.500 It is egregious.

00:29:57.880 I am dumbfounded that

00:29:59.620 this, that, that, you

00:30:01.460 know, I'm also, I'm also

00:30:02.480 embarrassed that he's an 0.81

00:30:03.380 Italian, I'm an Italian,

00:30:04.980 I'm an Italian lawyer, and I

00:30:06.740 tell you, every lawyer, I

00:30:08.540 have, there is unanimity

00:30:10.460 on this, with liberals,

00:30:12.520 conservatives, anybody

00:30:14.460 that practice law or has

00:30:16.180 been in law is offended by

00:30:18.720 this, how this one lawyer

00:30:20.600 that's now the Attorney

00:30:21.560 General, and who was a

00:30:23.180 professor, I might add, it

00:30:25.200 is, it is, it is appalling

00:30:27.300 what he's doing.

00:30:28.540 This David Lamedi, I am, I

00:30:31.320 don't know how he could be

00:30:33.160 sleeping at night, watching

00:30:35.720 what's going on, especially

00:30:37.100 when you have the ethics

00:30:38.920 commissioner.

00:30:39.820 The ethics commissioner

00:30:40.900 has no teeth, that

00:30:43.580 legislation, he can't do

00:30:44.960 anything but investigate

00:30:46.280 and say, I fell wrong.

00:30:48.100 The Attorney General has

00:30:49.560 available to him the

00:30:51.320 Crown's Department, the

00:30:52.640 RCMP, the resources, and

00:30:54.620 the criminal code.

00:30:55.820 He chooses not to use that

00:30:57.580 and let this poor, and let 0.97

00:30:58.980 the ethics commissioner do

00:31:00.700 the work.

00:31:01.400 It is embarrassing and

00:31:03.640 appalling that the justice

00:31:05.360 in Canada is not being

00:31:07.520 done, and our Attorney

00:31:08.860 General is simply not

00:31:10.540 doing what a first-year

00:31:12.340 law student would know

00:31:13.520 what to do.

00:31:14.380 Hey, can I ask you a

00:31:15.280 question about David

00:31:16.340 Lamedi?

00:31:16.700 Because I was going

00:31:17.280 through the federal

00:31:20.240 lobbyist registry.

00:31:22.060 So when SNC-Lavalin was

00:31:23.620 making its rounds on

00:31:25.080 Parliament Hill, they met

00:31:25.920 with a lot of people.

00:31:27.120 And I should say, I think

00:31:28.780 lobbying is okay.

00:31:31.080 I think it's a fancy way

00:31:32.500 of saying, bringing

00:31:33.540 something to the

00:31:34.260 attention of a politician.

00:31:35.640 I think there's some

00:31:36.580 people that, just out of

00:31:37.860 good judgment, maybe a

00:31:38.820 politician should never

00:31:39.640 meet with.

00:31:40.340 But if you're the

00:31:41.060 president of a major

00:31:42.040 company, I think it's

00:31:43.880 probably okay for someone

00:31:45.860 to meet you.

00:31:47.040 But they lobbied David

00:31:49.480 Lamedi personally about

00:31:51.600 18 months ago.

00:31:53.160 And here's the copy of

00:31:54.560 that communication report.

00:31:57.080 He was parliamentary

00:31:57.920 secretary to the

00:31:59.600 minister of industry at

00:32:01.620 the time.

00:32:02.320 But they had a private

00:32:03.260 meeting with him about a

00:32:04.740 year and a half ago.

00:32:06.020 And, you know, maybe

00:32:07.020 that's fine.

00:32:07.860 In fact, I don't think

00:32:09.020 that's a problem itself.

00:32:10.200 But here's the question.

00:32:11.460 If they convinced him of

00:32:13.320 something, if they

00:32:14.100 persuaded him of

00:32:15.240 something, if he agreed

00:32:17.140 to go to bat for them, if

00:32:18.560 he agreed to pass on a

00:32:19.660 message for them, if he

00:32:21.220 took any notes on that, I

00:32:23.200 think that's all relevant

00:32:24.220 to whether or not it's

00:32:26.140 good enough for him to say,

00:32:27.140 oh, I see nothing, I hear

00:32:28.260 nothing.

00:32:28.520 Because if he would

00:32:29.840 have said to them in

00:32:30.640 any way, you guys make a

00:32:32.640 good case, or I didn't

00:32:35.220 know what to think, but

00:32:36.020 you've changed my mind on

00:32:37.520 this, or I promise I'll

00:32:39.900 pass on a message to Jody

00:32:41.220 Wilson-Raybould, if he

00:32:42.900 would have indicated at all

00:32:44.060 that his heart was moved

00:32:46.040 by them, wouldn't that be

00:32:48.020 a reason that the world

00:32:50.660 could say, well, you're

00:32:51.360 biased, Mr.

00:32:52.260 Lamedi.

00:32:52.640 You indicated that you

00:32:54.880 were on their side, and

00:32:56.180 now you've moved from

00:32:57.960 just someone who was

00:32:59.940 lobbied to sort of a

00:33:00.860 decision maker, and

00:33:02.460 that's inappropriate, you

00:33:03.880 should recuse yourself.

00:33:04.880 What do you think of

00:33:05.240 that, Manny?

00:33:06.080 Yeah, absolutely.

00:33:07.160 You don't have to, Ezra,

00:33:08.520 you don't have to get into

00:33:09.980 whether there was bias or

00:33:11.620 not.

00:33:12.400 That is, there's a simple

00:33:14.340 apprehension of bias.

00:33:16.300 Once you meet with

00:33:17.400 someone, and now you're the

00:33:18.920 Attorney General, I mean,

00:33:20.240 I guess he got this job as

00:33:21.860 Attorney General, he

00:33:23.320 never knew that when he

00:33:24.500 was lobbied by SNC, and

00:33:26.380 that lobbying was proper

00:33:27.760 and it was right, and I

00:33:29.180 agree with you, and of

00:33:30.440 course, every MP should be

00:33:32.000 able to meet with

00:33:32.880 anybody, but once you are

00:33:34.400 now put in the position of

00:33:36.760 Attorney General, and

00:33:38.280 you're dealing with the

00:33:39.080 issue of obstruction of

00:33:40.860 justice, and you had been

00:33:43.160 lobbied, you have only one

00:33:44.840 duty, and that is to

00:33:45.720 recuse yourself from this

00:33:47.380 file, or step down as

00:33:49.360 Attorney General, you can't

00:33:50.480 deal with it.

00:33:51.080 Now, the great oddness is

00:33:53.480 the Prime Minister had that

00:33:55.680 very same problem, and he

00:33:58.020 was found to be guilty of

00:34:00.880 the Ethics Act for not

00:34:02.460 recusing himself when he

00:34:03.880 stood and gave a chunk of

00:34:06.500 money to a person that he

00:34:07.920 took a $200,000 gift from.

00:34:09.980 It's very simple, he

00:34:11.120 shouldn't be in the room.

00:34:12.500 If you're going to take a

00:34:13.600 $200,000 gift, don't be in

00:34:15.540 the room when you're giving

00:34:16.420 someone $20 million, that's

00:34:18.960 very simply understood, and

00:34:21.100 Lamedy knows, must know, that

00:34:24.000 the moment he became Attorney

00:34:25.720 General, and this file hit his

00:34:27.660 door, and he was made Attorney

00:34:30.100 General on this file, he should

00:34:31.720 have said to the Prime Minister,

00:34:33.140 no, I can't become Attorney

00:34:34.640 General, because I met, and I

00:34:37.300 have to recuse myself, and I'm

00:34:39.280 sure they had that discussion,

00:34:40.800 and I'm sure they said, forget

00:34:42.420 about it, you don't have to

00:34:44.120 worry about recusing, go ahead

00:34:45.860 and save me.

00:34:46.920 You know, I saw that the PMO

00:34:50.300 and their message repeaters

00:34:52.420 were saying, oh, the Ethics

00:34:53.640 Commissioner is looking into

00:34:54.580 this, I sense that that is

00:34:56.960 their way of saying, well, we

00:34:58.000 know that the Ethics

00:34:59.400 Commissioner doesn't have all

00:35:00.760 the teeth of other possible

00:35:03.000 inquiries, doesn't have the

00:35:04.520 power or the resources of the

00:35:06.960 RCMP, doesn't have, like,

00:35:09.100 you're not going to have a

00:35:10.060 wiretap by the Ethics

00:35:11.440 Commissioner, you might have

00:35:12.420 that if you're the RCMP, you're

00:35:14.580 not, so, so it's their way of

00:35:16.440 saying, okay, who's the weakest,

00:35:18.240 tamest judge there is, and even

00:35:21.720 if they convict, it'll be a

00:35:23.380 $200 fine and a little

00:35:25.000 embarrassment.

00:35:25.920 So I think they looked and

00:35:26.940 said, uh-oh, we're in deep

00:35:28.140 trouble here.

00:35:29.400 I mean, these, SNC-Lavalin is

00:35:32.160 being prosecuted for paying

00:35:33.900 $48 million in bribes, so we're

00:35:35.620 already in heavy, heavy criminal

00:35:37.260 territory here, and they said,

00:35:38.940 oh, just give it to the

00:35:39.840 kindergarten cop, give it to the 0.99

00:35:41.480 gentlest of all, and it, to me,

00:35:44.760 it looks like they're saying,

00:35:45.640 well, let's preempt an RCMP

00:35:47.440 investigation.

00:35:48.800 Remember, it was the cops who

00:35:50.320 went after Mike Duffy.

00:35:51.800 Right.

00:35:52.440 And that was, whatever you think

00:35:53.980 of Mike Duffy, they brought in

00:35:55.060 the full police squad.

00:35:57.320 Here, Trudeau just wants some

00:35:59.240 baby cop to take it on.

00:36:00.700 I think he's, I think that shows

00:36:02.520 that he's trying to damage

00:36:03.620 control.

00:36:04.860 Absolutely.

00:36:05.440 I mean, there's no question

00:36:06.340 about it.

00:36:07.200 This does not belong in the

00:36:09.020 ethics commissioner's hands.

00:36:10.660 This is not about ethics.

00:36:12.080 This is about saving Canada's

00:36:14.200 judicial system, saving

00:36:16.760 Canada's rule of law.

00:36:18.860 The ethics commissioner is the

00:36:21.420 least person equipped to do that.

00:36:23.820 This is probably one of the most

00:36:25.480 serious charges you can have,

00:36:27.320 obstruction of justice.

00:36:28.080 It is so serious, Ezra, that we

00:36:31.680 have two Canadians in jail in

00:36:34.300 China because we have said to 0.96

00:36:36.720 China, we removed a, a, a, a 1.00

00:36:40.300 ambassador to China, McCallum.

00:36:43.400 We have said to the world that the

00:36:45.980 rule of law of Canada is so

00:36:47.720 important that Canadians can perish 1.00

00:36:49.900 in jail in China because rule of

00:36:53.660 law is everything.

00:36:54.620 We understand that.

00:36:55.760 And while he said that in two

00:36:58.540 instances, at least right now,

00:37:00.440 one was, of course, what we have

00:37:02.360 before us right now, which is the

00:37:04.480 SNC-Lavalin, whether there was a

00:37:06.420 obstruction of justice.

00:37:07.540 And the second one is by Judge

00:37:09.440 Perkin McVeigh, who said in open

00:37:12.520 court that, well, there goes the

00:37:14.860 independence of the Crown

00:37:16.480 Prosecution Office because it was

00:37:20.100 influenced by the PMO.

00:37:23.140 And this is in the Norman trial case.

00:37:25.700 We have two trials or two situations

00:37:28.320 where the prime minister's, the

00:37:30.340 allegedly the prime minister's office

00:37:32.040 is, is obstructing justice.

00:37:34.500 And we have Canadians and Ezra.

00:37:37.740 And I said this to my wife, my heart

00:37:39.920 goes out to the Canadians that are

00:37:41.340 caught in jail because of this prime

00:37:43.760 minister who has now made it very

00:37:46.260 clear that he has obstructed and he will.

00:37:49.200 And he and China is looking at this 0.73

00:37:51.580 and saying, this is an absolute joke,

00:37:54.020 this government.

00:37:54.800 Yeah.

00:37:55.320 You know, Manny, you refer to the case

00:37:56.820 of that's going on in Atlantic Canada

00:38:00.100 right now.

00:38:00.560 We haven't gone deep on it on this show.

00:38:02.660 So just to remind our our viewers,

00:38:04.860 here's a story in the CBC called

00:38:06.560 Norman's Defense accuses Trudeau PMO

00:38:09.540 of attempting to direct prosecution.

00:38:11.840 And that quote you mentioned by Judge

00:38:13.660 Heather Perkins McVeigh, she said so

00:38:15.840 much for the independence of the PPSC.

00:38:17.640 That's for it stands for the Public

00:38:18.980 Prosecution Service of Canada.

00:38:20.640 So a judge is saying that just a quick

00:38:22.720 reminder, it's a vice admiral of the

00:38:26.580 Navy, Mark Norman, who has been blamed,

00:38:31.640 who has been charged with the leaking

00:38:35.340 confidential material.

00:38:37.280 And as his legal defense goes deeper

00:38:39.860 and deeper, it is clear that there were

00:38:42.160 political machinations to blame him.

00:38:44.260 Scott Bryson resigned from cabinet.

00:38:46.380 A lot of people think it's, so I think

00:38:49.060 it's fair to say that Trudeau has now

00:38:50.600 lost two cabinet ministers over this

00:38:53.940 interference in judicial matters.

00:38:56.480 That's, that's crazy.

00:38:59.280 There's a third aspect to Ezra that I want

00:39:02.960 to bring to your attention.

00:39:04.280 And that is obstruction of the defense

00:39:07.660 of a vice admiral.

00:39:09.040 The defense counsel is trying to obtain

00:39:12.460 documents and, and, and it's been

00:39:15.460 obstructed by the PMO and they're not

00:39:17.840 delivering documents and they're subpoenaing

00:39:19.920 it through a judge.

00:39:20.880 Now I can't, I do not understand for the

00:39:24.020 life of me, how the government of Canada

00:39:26.020 is holding documents that may assist the

00:39:29.640 defense of a vice admiral.

00:39:30.980 And, and, and the defense counsel has to

00:39:33.920 fight, uh, uh, you may recall during the

00:39:37.360 Duffy case, and the Duffy case was $90,000

00:39:40.620 worth of expenses that were paid back.

00:39:42.980 Not only did everyone cooperate in the PMO's

00:39:47.420 office, cooperate with the crown's office, but

00:39:50.520 the prime minister waived his privilege in

00:39:52.840 order to get all the information before the

00:39:54.920 courts to assist the courts.

00:39:56.560 We have obstruction after obstruction after

00:39:59.880 obstruction with this, with this, uh, PMO

00:40:03.240 government.

00:40:04.880 It's incredible.

00:40:05.800 Manny, I'd say I could talk with you all

00:40:07.320 day about this, but I know you've got to

00:40:08.600 go.

00:40:08.780 I want to raise one last thing.

00:40:10.440 Sure.

00:40:10.900 It's about, uh, Jody Wilson-Raybould

00:40:12.660 herself.

00:40:13.300 I disagreed with her on certain, uh, policy

00:40:16.260 matters as, as one would expect.

00:40:18.500 She's a liberal.

00:40:19.140 I'm not, but I have to say, I think you

00:40:22.880 accurately said it.

00:40:23.800 It's quite something to watch her stand

00:40:25.260 up for the rule of law.

00:40:26.560 From an Anglo-Saxon legal tradition, uh, she's

00:40:30.020 an Aboriginal activist, as was her dad, but

00:40:33.260 she believes enough in the law that she

00:40:35.600 wasn't willing to bend to Trudeau's political

00:40:38.160 demands if, if what we think has happened

00:40:41.120 here is what's happened here.

00:40:42.300 I want to ask you or point out one last

00:40:44.320 thing and get your comment on it.

00:40:46.080 I mentioned that in her resignation letter,

00:40:48.860 she signed it pugless, P-U-G-L-A-L-S, which

00:40:53.440 is, um, an Aboriginal name.

00:40:55.900 I think that her grandma gave her.

00:40:57.540 So it's very, now her English name is underneath

00:41:00.840 that, but it, it's sort of resonating that she's

00:41:04.280 doing this for the generations.

00:41:05.560 She's doing this out of some deep, like, I thought

00:41:08.060 that was a very interesting touch.

00:41:09.320 And her dad, who was a political activist in his

00:41:13.220 day, too, who went head-to-head with Justin Trudeau's

00:41:16.720 dad, Pierre Trudeau, her dad isn't bound by any

00:41:21.460 confidentiality.

00:41:22.980 He's Facebooking up a storm on this, and he says,

00:41:26.580 finally, Jody, you'll be able to speak honestly, and

00:41:28.660 we're fighting, we're fighting.

00:41:29.320 I think that Justin Trudeau loves appointing quotas and

00:41:35.620 tokens to cabinet.

00:41:36.840 He says to himself, he boasts about how many of this race

00:41:39.720 and that gender, and in many cases, they are just

00:41:42.580 tokens.

00:41:43.240 They'll do whatever he says just to cling on to power.

00:41:46.560 But I think the beautiful, delicious, poetic, karmic

00:41:50.600 irony here, Manny, is that the ultimate box checker,

00:41:55.480 women, check, Aboriginal, check, West Coast, check, 0.99

00:41:58.760 progressive, check, actually turned out to be the one

00:42:02.280 who believed in things so deeply that she refused to

00:42:07.560 be just window dressing.

00:42:09.740 And Trudeau doesn't know how to fight that because he's

00:42:13.900 used to emoting and affirmative action and progress.

00:42:17.560 She is actually a woman of principle, it seems to me, and

00:42:21.640 he doesn't even know how to fight her.

00:42:23.560 What do you think of that?

00:42:24.080 No, absolutely.

00:42:25.740 And there is another woman of principle, Leona, that 0.67

00:42:27.920 crossed the floor.

00:42:30.080 There are great women on both sides of the aisle, and the 1.00

00:42:34.760 great ones stand up and they speak to truth and speak to

00:42:38.520 power.

00:42:39.400 And we've seen two from the liberal side.

00:42:41.840 It's very hard.

00:42:43.000 I suspect there's more that's going to happen.

00:42:45.900 I will say one thing that I'm very proud of Puglis' father.

00:42:51.000 I am a dad, a very strong, strong, bright, brilliant woman.

00:42:58.220 And she is combative.

00:43:00.220 She is strong.

00:43:01.840 And I could see that if it was my daughter and she was in that

00:43:06.660 situation, she would stand up strong and I would be by her side.

00:43:10.300 So I give great kudos to dad stepping up and, you know, there's no greater bond than a dad

00:43:17.840 and a daughter.

00:43:19.140 And it could never be outdone by the faux feminism of the prime minister. 1.00

00:43:27.600 He didn't understand that great relationship.

00:43:31.500 And I'm glad to see it played out.

00:43:33.320 I saw his Facebook statements.

00:43:35.880 He's a tough man, a tough dad, and tough men and tough dads with tough daughters don't get

00:43:41.100 pushed around by fake feminists. 1.00

00:43:43.300 Wow. 0.95

00:43:43.620 That's a really nice way to end our conversation, Manny.

00:43:46.340 You're so right on that.

00:43:47.440 I should note that Trudeau was scheduled to have press conferences.

00:43:50.940 The time has been moving.

00:43:52.060 So we're recording this before Trudeau's final press conference.

00:43:55.380 Who knows, it might not even happen today, but we'll be sure to follow the story in the

00:43:59.840 days ahead.

00:44:00.540 Manny, as always, thank you so much for providing a political and legal point of view.

00:44:05.180 It's just great.

00:44:05.900 And we look forward to talking to you again.

00:44:07.900 Great.

00:44:08.200 Thanks a lot, Ezra.

00:44:08.860 All right.

00:44:09.080 That's our friend Manny Montenegrino, former chairman of a national law firm, former

00:44:13.420 lawyer to Prime Minister Stephen Harper, and the CEO of ThinkSharp.

00:44:18.180 He joined us today via Skype from Ottawa.

00:44:20.900 Stay with us.

00:44:21.500 More ahead on The Rebel.

00:44:25.380 Hey, welcome back to my monologue yesterday about the SNC-Lavalin scandal.

00:44:37.500 We talked about it again today.

00:44:38.540 Jay writes, too big to jail.

00:44:42.380 Well, don't laugh.

00:44:43.340 Cabinet was asked to blacklist SNC-Lavalin from any government contracts.

00:44:48.220 As you know, the World Bank will not allow any country to use SNC-Lavalin on a job if

00:44:54.840 there's World Bank money.

00:44:55.840 Too corrupt.

00:44:56.700 So obviously, Canada's cabinet was asked to do the same thing, but they literally said,

00:45:00.440 we don't care how corrupt they are. 0.99

00:45:01.780 They're too big to fail.

00:45:03.480 Too big to jail is a good riff on that.

00:45:05.660 Paul writes, nobody does corruption quite like the liberals.

00:45:09.280 It helps that they can generally count on the media party to cover for them.

00:45:12.360 You're exactly right.

00:45:14.440 And a $595 million bailout accelerates that.

00:45:18.360 That's why I'm amazed that Bob Fyfe got this published.

00:45:20.960 I mean, I pointed out that in December 2016, the Globe and Mail report on Business Magazine,

00:45:26.580 that's their flagship mag, had Neil Bruce, the SNC-Lavalin boss on the cover, and they

00:45:33.460 said he was the hero who redeemed the company.

00:45:35.920 So literally two months ago, the Globe and Mail was part of SNC-Lavalin's lobbying effort.

00:45:41.300 It's amazing this story ever saw the light of day.

00:45:45.040 Ron writes, Trudeau and his cabinet already should have been charged.

00:45:48.220 The opposition had numerous opportunities to bring him down and didn't.

00:45:51.780 Trudeau will just skate away the SNC-Lavalin fiasco.

00:45:55.060 Clearly shows that corruption in Ottawa is deep, rampant, and full of rot.

00:45:59.400 Ron, I don't know how the opposition can bring him down because we don't have the kind of

00:46:03.260 checks and balances in our system as they do in the United States.

00:46:05.600 For example, there's just simply no way that you could get the kind of independent special

00:46:12.220 counsel like Mueller, who's been on a two-year, $20 million wild goose chase, frankly, trying

00:46:19.200 to find proof that Donald Trump is a Russian spy.

00:46:22.540 He's got, what, a dozen staff, hunter killers, investigating, subpoenaing, inditing.

00:46:28.200 He hasn't found anything on Trump, but he's just knocking over everything in the China 1.00

00:46:32.660 shop.

00:46:33.740 That doesn't happen in Canada.

00:46:35.600 It just doesn't happen in Canada.

00:46:37.400 There was something like that, some inquiry, I don't even remember what it was, but 30 years

00:46:41.480 ago, and I think it was, I think Craig Chan just pulled the plug on.

00:46:43.860 I'm trying to remember the details.

00:46:46.160 Yeah, we don't have that.

00:46:47.920 Trudeau wanted the ethics counselor to look into things because it's like a $200 fine if

00:46:54.160 you're convicted.

00:46:54.780 Now it looks like the liberals might be agreeing to having the Justice Committee of Parliament

00:46:59.780 look into it.

00:47:00.400 They don't have police power to do raids, to do search warrants, to do wiretaps.

00:47:08.260 This is a criminal matter.

00:47:09.820 SNC-Lavalin did admit to paying $48 million in bribes, did admit to getting over $100 million

00:47:15.580 worth of payoffs in Libya.

00:47:17.460 This is crime at the highest levels.

00:47:20.380 I think it's going to take a tiny bit more than a few MPs having half an hour to ask

00:47:25.800 scripted questions in a play fight.

00:47:29.040 So yeah, I'm going to disagree with you on this one, Ron.

00:47:31.320 I don't believe that the opposition, I don't believe anything in our Canadian system has

00:47:34.640 the power to take on corruption like this other than the police.

00:47:37.740 And they've been pretty silent.

00:47:41.260 That's our show for today.

00:47:43.040 We've got some big news coming for you tomorrow.

00:47:45.140 I don't mean to tease you.

00:47:46.300 I just want to make sure you tune in.

00:47:48.120 Until then, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, you at home, good

00:47:51.340 night and keep fighting for freedom.

00:48:07.740 Thank you.

00:48:12.160 Amen.

Rebel News Podcast - February 13, 2019

One day after Trudeau brags about having Jody Wilson-Raybould in his cabinet, she quits

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