Outrage forced Google to stop calling Omar Khadr a Canadian soldier. But why was Trudeauās office on Google's sideļ¼
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A Canadian terrorist was listed in Google as a Canadian soldier. Of course, he's not. He's a Canadian terrorist. So why did Justin Trudeau's principal secretary, Gerald Butts, make 4 tweets fighting against this revision? And of course, we talk to Candace Malcolm about work she's doing.
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Hello, Rebels. It's your Rebel Commander Ezra Levant here. You are listening to a free
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audio-only recording of my TV show, The Ezra Levant Show. Today, we ask the weird question,
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why is Gerald Butts so obsessed with the fact that Google removed a search result
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that inaccurately showed Omar Khadr as a Canadian soldier? Of course, he's not a Canadian soldier.
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He's a Canadian terrorist. Why did Justin Trudeau's principal secretary
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make four tweets fighting against this revision? So weird. You got to listen to that. And of course,
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we talked to Candace Malcolm, one of our favorite people, about work she's doing. If you like
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Tonight, public outrage makes Google stop saying that Omer Cotter is a Canadian soldier.
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But why was Trudeau's office on the side of Cotter? It's January 30th, and this is the
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Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
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There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
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The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my
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Sometimes a small story illustrates something big, like if you're walking by a picket fence
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and one plank is missing. Just for a moment, as you pass by, you get a glimpse of what's
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going on the other side of the fence. I think that happened yesterday in Canada. It was about
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this Google search result. I mean, there are literally billions of Google searches every day.
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I can't think of anything more trivial in theory, but look at it for a moment. If you type in the
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words Canadian soldier, it shows various Canadian soldiers, but it also, at least until yesterday,
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listed Omar Cotter, the convicted, confessed Al-Qaeda terrorist who actually murdered a soldier,
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And Google shows Cotter's smiling face as a Canadian soldier. He is not a Canadian soldier.
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He's a Canadian terrorist. And frankly, though he was born in Canada, he's hardly Canadian. He has
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lived much of his life either in terrorist training camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan or in Guantanamo
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Bay. I guess technically he's a Canadian, but he obviously was never a soldier. He is a criminal
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convicted of five war crimes. That is the opposite of a soldier. So why was he listed in that Google
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search result? Now, when I saw this yesterday morning, our friend Manny Montenegrino first
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tweeted about it. That's how I saw it. When I first saw it, I thought, this can't be real. Is that
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photoshopped or something? So I took out my own phone and I immediately typed in Canadian soldier
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into Google. And sure enough, it really came up that way. Sorry, that is not an accident. That is
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not an algorithm thing. That is some policy choice. That's Google doing what they do more and more of
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these days. They're putting their finger on the scale. Google search results are not neutral.
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Like we showed you yesterday, Google responded to a left-wing activist and changed their search
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algorithm to push pro-life sites way down the search rankings so that when you search for information
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about abortion politics, you're given pro-choice views first. And most people, since we're busy
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and since we pretty much trust Google to be neutral, most people don't usually get past the first page
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of results on Google. So we know that Google manipulates results for political reasons that
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they control. That was exposed by Alan Bocari, who received a leak of Google's blacklist. That's
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actually how Google refers to it inside the company, a blacklist. It was fascinating to learn that
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Google is manipulating all sorts of political things, hiding embarrassing facts about Maxine
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Waters. That's one of the things they do. Remember her?
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And if you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline
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station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them
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Did you know that Google hides bad news about that woman, Maxine Waters? Did you know that
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Google interfered with searches during Ireland's recent referendum on abortion? I bet you 99%
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of Irish citizens didn't know that. I bet Google, which also owns YouTube, probably has the power
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influence an entire election, five or 10% through that sort of manipulation, which is never disclosed,
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never reported, never regulated. I say again, this isn't some conspiracy theory like Russia rigged the
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American election. That's a conspiracy that has gripped the mainstream media for two years without any
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evidence. This is Google's own internal documents, their blacklists and their finger on the scale. So yeah,
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Google is literally trying to whitewash the horrific crimes of an al-Qaeda terrorist named
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Omar Khadr. But why should that surprise any of us? The media party itself did that. I think our
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Alberta reporter in Calgary, a new reporter there, Kian Bexte, was literally the first reporter in
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Canadian history to actually attend an Omar Khadr press conference and refer to Omar Khadr as what he is
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and what he confessed to being and what he was convicted of being, being a terrorist.
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Even if he gets a passport, which airline in Canada will take him to Saudi Arabia?
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You'd have to ask some Canadian airlines. I doubt that they'd want to take a terrorist
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You see Khadr standing behind him just smirking. The lawyer there was actually surprised. He's used to
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obedience from journalists, not challenges. Here's Kian asking Khadr himself some questions a little bit
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Omar Khadr, can you tell me, do you regret killing Christopher Speer?
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Do you regret killing Christopher Speer? Where's the money? Where's the taxpayer-funded fortune? Is it
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Omar? Anyways, back to yesterday. That's Omar Khadr for you. Manny Montenegrino showed that Google was
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listing that terrorist there, Omar Khadr, as a Canadian soldier. That is so gross. So Manny made
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a fuss about it on Twitter. And other conservatives joined in. I retweeted Manny. And here's a good one
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from Andrew Lawton, who said, holy crap, fix your algorithm, Google. When one searches Canadian
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soldier, the first hit is Omar Khadr. Killing a soldier doesn't make you one. That is so true. Good
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one by Andrew Lawton. So this story spread like wildfire through normal society, because normal
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Canadians never bought into the pro-Khadr love affair. Our media did, our politicians did, our
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courts did, but not normal people. Eventually, whoever writes Andrew Scheer's tweets these days
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tweeted about this. I like Andrew Scheer's Twitter feed these days. They're so butch compared to
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before Maxime Bernier broke away and started his own party. Maxime has always been tough and
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charismatic and conservative on Twitter. And I think that's a big reason why people like him.
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He's not mealy-mouthed and indecisive. So about 90 days ago, Scheer put a new Twitter writer on the
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file, and he is great. I just wish Andrew Scheer was like that in real life, but I'll take what I can
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get. And online, Andrew Scheer wrote this. Omar Khadr is a convicted terrorist who
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murdered a medic and blinded another. He is not a victim, nor should he be portrayed in this way
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alongside real Canadian heroes. Google Canada, fix this. That's great. Obviously, that's not how
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Andrew Scheer talks in real life, but so what? Great tweet, great point, right on the news.
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I'm really putting it straight to Google by tagging them in that tweet. Oh, you better believe that
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Google headquarters read that. And good for them, they fixed it. I don't know if they would have fixed it
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if it was just a public outcry, but with the leader of the opposition tweeting it, they fixed it.
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Maybe they don't want to be embarrassed in public. Maybe they want to keep all politicians on side.
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Maybe they know that one day Trudeau will no longer be prime minister, so best hedge your bets. Or maybe
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even, maybe they regret making a mistake. Whatever the reason, after a day of getting pummeled
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by grassroots people, by media figures, and by Andrew Scheer, Google made the change. In fact,
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Google's PR boss in charge of explaining searches to the public, they've got an executive position
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like that, he actually responded directly to Andrew Layton. Here's what he wrote. His name is
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Danny Sullivan, and he said, our systems generate lists like this automatically and can sometimes
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get the wrong signals. This has now been fixed. All right, let's take them at their word. I mean,
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we know they lie. We know that they know, that we know, that we can never check if they're lying.
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But why be quarrelsome? Google fixed the problem. Okay, story over, right? I mean, big deal. At this
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point, it's not a big deal. Maybe it was just an error. Maybe it was a big nothing. Good for some
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Twitter fuss, which is always fun, but nothing. Yeah, no, weirdly, bizarrely, the Liberal Party of Canada
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fought back. They fought back, and I don't know why exactly. I think it looked really, really bad on
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them. They fought back, not against Qatar. Remember, they're with Qatar. They gave them a public apology
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and $10.5 million. They fought back against people who were mad about Qatar being called a soldier.
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They fought back against people asking Google to change it, as some left-wing media did too,
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but the Liberals did. That is really weird. Check out this. Gerald Butts, Justin Trudeau's principal
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secretary, he took time away from everything else he's doing these days, pushed aside everything
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less important to weigh in on this matter, not once, not twice, not three times, but four times. I mean,
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look, we've got the Chinese dictatorship taking our citizens hostage. We've got an industrial crisis in
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Alberta. We have a thousand real things this government needs to do, and it's failing at so many of
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them. But Gerald Butts makes this the biggest issue of his day, and he clears aside hours for it. Yes, he did.
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He wrote this. He said, Google searches are personally optimized, not news. When I search for Canadian
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soldiers, I get Canadian soldiers and Prime Minister Pearson. Andrew Scheer gets Omer Cotter. This IT
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problem is between the chair and the keyboard. Oh, that's so clever. But first of all, even if Butts was right,
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so what? So what? Why would Omer Cotter show up on a list? But he's not right, actually. Here's that
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same public boss of Google search, and he says, personalization of results is, of our results is
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minimal as covered below. And he links to a detailed answer. Personalization wasn't involved here. This was
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present for anyone doing the search, though exact position may have changed, as our results can be
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very dynamic. So that's Google's search expert. But Gerald Butts kept at this. He retweeted this guy.
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This guy who said, when I say taking lessons from the alt-right, I really, I mean that literally,
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Meta Canada is the heart of the Canadian alt-right movement on Reddit. This post was done four hours
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before Andrew Scheer's tweet. There's no beating around the bush on this one. So some guy, I don't
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know who, claims that an anonymous post earlier on the day in some online billboard, one of thousands
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of Canadians who were upset by this Cotter story, this guy named John Wiseman, this nobody, found an
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anonymous site, literally a nobody, that was upset about the Cotter thing too. John Wiseman says they're
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alt-right, says that's why Scheer was mad about this, and therefore it's bad or something. It's
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not bad that Omer Cotter's listed as a soldier. Gerald Butts didn't think that was bad. He thought it
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was bad that Andrew Scheer was mentioning it. I mean, this isn't even guilt by association here.
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That's a full-blown conspiracy theory. You see, Andrew Scheer read an anonymous thing, and it's just so
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weird. And it still evades the question, why is Gerald Butts, Justin Trudeau's principal secretary,
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why is he defending Google's error to list Omer Cotter, the al-Qaeda terrorist, as a legit Canadian
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soldier? Why is he quibbling over minutia? Why is he arguing over how many, you know, it's a
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personalized search result or not? What difference does it make? He's not a Canadian soldier. It's
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weird that Google search engine said it was, but they fixed it fairly quickly. Why is Butts still
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trying to litigate it? Why is he following this affair at all? Why is he weighing in?
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Four times on the side of fake news. It's fake news. Omer Cotter is not a Canadian soldier. That is
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fake. It's a lie. It's the opposite of the truth. He murdered an American soldier and partly blinded
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another one. Why is Gerald Butts so mad about them correcting this? Four times. He wasn't done. He
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started arguing with the Google search executive, because Gerald Butts knows his business better.
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This is what he said. In the interest of fairness, Google has posted along a thread
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describing how optimization works on their platform. They say personal search history has a minimal
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effect on results. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. So he acknowledged that Google said it
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was search results that everyone got. So he acknowledged his weird theory about Andrew Scheer
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being the only one to see that was gone. It wouldn't make a difference anyways, because the result is the
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problem here. But then Gerald Butts wasn't done. He was still arguing. He cooked up a theory that now
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it's not just Andrew Scheer who's telling a fib or something. Google was lying about their error.
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Google wasn't telling the truth. Gerald Butts just knew it in his bones. Let me read another one here.
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But also in the interest of fairness, Google's claims about the degree to which your search
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is personalized are hotly debated. How minimal is minimal? Okay, that's got nothing to do with
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whether or not Omar Khadr is a soldier. He's not. And whether or not he should show up in a Google
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search as a soldier for anyone. He shouldn't. But Justin Trudeau's principal secretary stopped working
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on the Chinese hostage situation. Stop working on the pipeline problem. Stop working on NAFTA. Stop
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working on anything else. He spent the better part of his afternoon haggling over this. He was wrong.
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He had this weird conspiracy theory. It was wrong. But more than any of that, why is he so obsessed
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with keeping this fake news alive? And why was he so mad at Andrew Scheer for talking about it? Why is he
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calling anonymous people on the internet alt-right or whatever? He doesn't even know who they are.
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How would he know if they're alt-right? I think there are a few things here going on. First of all,
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I think that the Trudeau government is absolutely obsessed with Islam. I mean, it's obvious. We all
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know it. Trudeau is obsessed with bringing in Muslim refugees. He's obsessed with women wearing hijabs.
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If he sees a woman in a hijab anywhere, he makes a beeline to them to take a selfie. It was super weird.
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And he even had a weird Mother's Day card with his own mother and wife wearing, I don't know,
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are those hijabs? They're not Muslim, are they? Maybe they are. I just think it's super weird.
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And we all know that he has a soft spot for Muslim terrorists. Omar Khadr in particular,
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of course, he gave a public apology and $10.5 million to Omar Khadr. And he met with Joshua Boyle,
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who used to be married to Omar Khadr's sister. And then who took his next wife to Afghanistan to meet
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up with the Taliban who kidnapped them? Trudeau met with that Islamist kook too, who, as you can see
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in this tweet, laughed that he met Trudeau before in 2006 in Toronto over other common interests.
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Ha ha. I think Gerald Butts is absolutely terrified of people saying the obvious that Justin Trudeau has
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a weird affinity, not just for Islam. I love my Tarek Farah. I want to hug the guy when I see him.
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I love Muslim moderates, Muslim liberals. I'm not talking about that. Trudeau has a special affinity
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for radical Islam, extreme Islam, anti-Western Islam, violent Islam. Trudeau never praises
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moderate liberal pro-Western Muslims. He prefers the radical variety. And I think Gerald Butts
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is part of that cultishness in some way. I mean, why would Gerald Butts, the principal secretary to
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the Prime Minister of Canada, in this crisis moment, stop what he was working on and defend
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Khadr being improperly on that list? Ha. But there are two other things afoot here, I think. One is,
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look how immediately they denounce anyone who disagrees with radical Islam, or even terrorism,
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Islamophobic and alt-right. That's what he did. I should tell you that 71% of Canadians
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opposed giving Omar Khadr an apology and money. That's according to Angus Reid. 71%. I bet a lot
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of peace-loving Muslims opposed it too. According to the poll, even liberals opposed it. Of course,
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we don't believe in terrorists. But that's going to be the election campaign calling anyone who opposes
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Trudeau a Nazi or an Islamophobe or a hater. Even implying that Andrew Scheer, the tepid, timid,
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milquetoast conservative leader, is somehow a Nazi for even criticizing a terrorist. And the second
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thing that seems to drive Gerald Butts crazy is that Andrew Scheer pushed Google to make the fix,
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and they did. I think Butts really hated that. Because that's his move. He wants to push around
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the tech companies. He wants to blacklist his enemies online. He doesn't want anyone else
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muscling in to that racket. Here's a leftist journalist named Jesse Brown, who was so mad
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that Andrew Scheer contacted Google like the liberals always do, what leftist journalists always do all
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the time. Jesse Brown said, thanks, Danny. That's Danny Sullivan, the search executive. Was Scheer
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correct that you removed Cotter based on his request? Do you guys do stuff like that now?
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Do you guys do stuff like that now? Now? Now? Where do you mean, buddy? That's all they do now.
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They suppress conservative search results. They demonetize conservatives. They de-platform
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conservatives. They kick them off Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, PayPal, Patreon. But Jesse Brown
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is upset about it when it's a terrorist involved. That a terrorist wasn't allowed to be called a
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Canadian soldier. And that a conservative would have the temerity to complain. And that Google
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would listen to them. Yuck. This wasn't just a handful of leftists. Everyone was weighing in on
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this. It was so weird. Here's Rob Silver. I like Rob. He's the husband of Justin Trudeau's chief of staff.
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But here he is saying that opposing the fake news that Omar Khadr is a war hero or something
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is the fringe right. Why are liberals even talking about Omar Khadr? What are they doing? Here's Zita
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Estravis. And she's liking, you can see this on her like page, she's the chief of staff to Harjit
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Sajan, our defense minister. And she liked the tweets of Gerald Butts sticking up for Google's
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pro-Khatr error. Does Harjit Sajan, former soldier himself, who served with distinction
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in Afghanistan, where his fellow soldiers were killed by IEDs, placed perhaps even by Omar Khadr
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himself. Does Harjit Sajan agree with Zita Estravis, his chief of staff, that Omar Khadr should
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be listed on Google as a Canadian soldier? The chief of staff to our defense minister liked
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Gerald Butts' craziness there. Does Harjit Sajan agree? By the way, I did a search and Gerald
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Butts has tweeted his defense of Omar Khadr ten times over the years. Ten times he stood up
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for Omar Khadr. But I typed in Spear, that's the last name of the man murdered by Khadr. And
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yeah, Gerald Butts hasn't written that word once ever. Look, what we see here is exactly
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what it looks like. A liberal party that truly loves Omar Khadr absolutely stands by their
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decision to apologize to him and make him a multimillionaire and absolutely is throwing
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in their lot with Muslim extremists and even Muslim terrorists. And they react to any normal
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Canadians, the 71% who disagreed with what the liberals did for Khadr, by calling ordinary
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Canadians Islamophobes and alt-right haters. And they absolutely don't want us complaining
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to social media companies about their fake news. Gerald Butts and Justin Trudeau prefer
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fake news. In their minds, I think they really believe Omar Khadr was a Canadian soldier. I think
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they really do think some conspiracy theory about this only appearing on Andrew Scheer's Google
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search. This, my friends, we all learn from one little online moment, like walking past a fence
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with a wooden plank missing. We have just seen a glimpse of the 2019 election campaign, and it is
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going to be ugly. Get ready to be called a racist for not believing their pro-terrorist fake news.
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Well, I tell you, I can't believe how furious Gerald Butts and the whole liberal establishment
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were that Andrew Scheer and other conservative journalists, including Andrew Lawton from the
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True North Initiative, criticized Google for having Omar Khadr show up on their search results
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for Canadian soldiers. And I think there's a whole bundle of issues that Justin Trudeau and Gerald
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Butts and the liberal establishment are hypersensitive to. Omar Khadr is clearly one of them. But I think
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the number one issue in the 2019 election campaign that we will see pushback not just from Trudeau and
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Butts and Amit Hassan and Catherine McKenna. It's not going to be the carbon tax. It is going to be
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open borders, unvetted migration, particularly Muslim migration, which seems to be an obsession of Justin
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Trudeau. That's at least how it looks to me. Well, no one is covering this file better than our friend
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Candace Malcolm. And she joins us now via Skype. Candace, I'm so glad you're here. Not only are you a
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journalist and an activist and an advocate, but you have actually in the past worked in the ministry
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of immigration. So you're not just an outsider trying to figure things out. You've seen how it
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works or doesn't work from the inside. I'm really glad you're unpacking that expertise for the rest of
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us to follow along. Thank you. Well, thank you so much, Ezra. I've definitely seen inside the belly
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of the beast, so to speak. And I know how many problems there are with Canada's immigration system.
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Most people might not think a lot about it, but the issues are kind of pouring into the mainstream
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all of a sudden. And, you know, these issues and these problems have been building up for years,
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if not decades. You know, I want to we know you as the boss of the True North initiative.
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It was great to have you come over to London as one of our real reporters covering the
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Tommy Robinson trial. It was really fun. And I'm delighted to see that you have a new
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sort of aggregate website where you put all your investigations. And I think a lot of our fans are
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already your fans, Candace. But for those who don't know, you've got a website that you're using for
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all your stuff. And it's TNC.news, not .com, not .media, TNC.news. Tell me a little bit about TNC.news.
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Sure, Ezra. So as people may know, the True North initiative has long sort of been an immigration
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advocacy and research organization that I started a couple of years ago to help launch a conversation
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and have a conversation about, like we're talking about, the many problems associated with our
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immigration and open border system. Well, we've expanded that. So we're now True North Canada as
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well. True North Canada, TNC.news is our news site where we are doing investigative reports. We have
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a couple of journalists that I've hired to do reporting, to do investigative journalism, to go
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out and really uncover some of the stories that are not being told in Canada, similar to what The
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Rebel does, you know, filing freedom of information requests, getting out and talking to everyday
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people. So for a focus on immigration and national security specifically, folks can check out our
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website, TNC.news. And there's stories every day, there's reports, there's videos, and then there's our
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longer sort of investigative pieces that are going to be coming out every week. That's great. That's
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TNC.news. I want to get to some of those news stories, so I want to get our hands dirty with some of these
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amazing stories. You've got an amazing story about how many asylum claims are coming in from
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Mexico. That's incredible. You've got an amazing story about hotels here in the Toronto area that
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are for refugees only. So many stories, but I just want to ask you two more quick things about
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TNC.news. The first is, I know the answer, but I just want to hear you say it. TNC.news will not take
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any money from Justin Trudeau and his media bailout fund, will it? Well, I don't think that
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they would include us after the UN Global Migrant Compact specifically said that the government's
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only going to support media outlets that parrot liberal migration talking points. So no, as we're
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entirely funded by Canadians, you know, we were founded through grassroots donations. And our aim is
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to tell the truth to Canadians, not to pander to government officials and get massive handouts
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from the government. I mean, I think that that entire program is disastrous for the media. How can
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you have a free and independent press when that press is also reliant on handouts from the government?
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It doesn't make sense. It contradicts a very basic element of freedom of the press.
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You know, I knew in my heart that was going to be your answer, Candace, but I just had to ask,
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and it was such a pleasure to hear you say so. And I feel like we're slightly less alone.
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You know, I mean, I can count on one hand's fingers how many journalists remain who are not
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taking the payoff money from Trudeau. And that is exactly what it is. So it's great to, and we hope to
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bring your stories to our people, obviously giving you full credit for it. Let's jump in right away.
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I've got arrayed here on my desk in front of me, five different stories. Let's just start with
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this one here. It's really shocking to me that the number of asylum claims from Mexicans has jumped
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from 260 in 2016, almost tenfold to 2,000. Actually, it was even lower. It was 111 in Stephen
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Hopper's last year as prime minister, 111. Last year was 2,445, almost a 24-fold increase. What's
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going on? Why are we taking Mexicans? I mean, there's no, I mean, Mexico is a free, it's not a,
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it's not a rich country. It's got its troubles, but it's not, it's not a country from which people
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Well, that's right. And before Canada had implemented a visa, we used to have a visa
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requirement. So tourists coming from Mexico to Canada had to pre-apply. Before they arrived
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in Canada, they had to pre-apply, get a visa. And the reason was because we had such a problem
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in the past with Mexicans overstaying their visitor visas and then eventually applying
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for asylum, Ezra, less than 10% of all folks who claimed asylum from Mexico were bonafide refugees
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were found by Canadian court systems to be real refugees. So under the Harper government,
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Canada implemented a visa. Justin Trudeau, when he was running for prime minister back in 2015,
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was really opposed to the visa and made it his pledge. It was kind of odd, you know, usually campaign
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pledges are made to Canadians. This campaign pledge that Justin Trudeau made was to Mexicans and he
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promised that they'd be able to come to Canada without getting a visa. He implemented that in
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2016. So many people warned that there'd be a huge spike in asylum claims from Mexicans. I was one of
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those people, you know, it was writing, the writing was on the wall and lo and behold, the numbers come
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out year after year and we're heading back in that same direction as we, as we were before, just,
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you know, endless Mexicans coming to Canada making asylum claims. And interestingly, a lot of them
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never even show up to their court date. They just kind of disappear. And so we don't know whether
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they're working illegally in Canada, whether they've tried to slip into the U.S. undetected,
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but it creates a major issue, not just for sort of, you know, the cost of the system and the benefits
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that these folks receive, the cost in the courts, but also for national security. You know, a lot of
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people from Mexico are part of these very horrific gangs that, you know, they're dangerous criminals.
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And, you know, some of these people might end up slipping into Canada undetected.
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Yeah. I mean, we'll show your chart on the screen here from 2000, in the year 2014, there were 80
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such asylum claims. Then it ticked up a little bit to 111 in Harper's last year. Then it more than
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doubled in 2016. And then, bam, off to the races, 1,515 in 2017. And in the first 10 months of last
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year, 2,445, just incredibly. Here's my point on that. We all know they're fake. We all know that.
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And the law says that. So by indulging that, how on earth is that helping real refugees? How on earth
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is that helping support for our refugee system? I think that Justin Trudeau and Ahmed Hassan,
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the immigration minister, who think they're so warm hearted and compassionate, I don't think
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they realize that by cynically allowing and permitting this obvious advantage taking, they're
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burning up whatever genuine goodwill Canadians. I think Canadians have always been welcoming and
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open-hearted. But when so obviously, when we allow someone so obviously to steal access to our country
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and Trudeau says, yeah, no problem. See you next year. I think that hardens the heart. I think they're
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causing an anti-immigrant backlash by permitting such misconduct. What do you think?
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Absolutely, Ezra. There's no question about it. I mean, Canada had a visa and it worked. You can see by
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the low numbers in the end of the Harper era there. They found a public policy solution that
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worked. Look, Mexico is a corrupt country. It is a dangerous country because of lawlessness
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and criminal activity. But it isn't the government that is cracking down on individuals. It isn't
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necessarily a refugee producing country. It's actually a refugee receiving country. It receives
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a lot of refugees from Central and Latin America. And so the idea that Canada is somehow allowing
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people to come in, take advantage of our tourism system, essentially, and then staying. And, you
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know, we don't know exactly what's happening to them. I think that that is really a clear example
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of confusing economic migrants with real refugees in need of protection and just sort of sloppy
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administration, allowing people to come and go unchecked and without the proper screening and
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Yeah. Oh, and I don't think it's just sloppiness. I think that's a deliberate, deliberate laxity.
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I want to talk about another story because this is something that's been bandied about in the
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Toronto media because it's just so interesting. Of course, so many of the illegal bogus refugees
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that have just walked across from New York State into Quebec, Quebec doesn't want them. Quebec
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basically puts them on buses and sends them to Toronto. And frankly, most of them want to go to
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Toronto because they don't speak French. I mean, some of the Haitians stay in Quebec,
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but the rest of them like to go to Toronto. So they're swamping homeless shelters in Toronto.
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And so there are two hotels in Toronto that have been turned into urban refugee camps for these
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refugees. They still get housekeeping services and swimming pools. And these are including for
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these fake migrants from New York. Tell us about the two hotels that you've discovered, the Toronto
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Plaza Hotel and the Radisson Hotel in North York. Tell us a little bit about them, what they're like,
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because I know most of the media in Toronto hates this story and hates anyone who even mentions it
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because it's obviously such a scandal. Well, it's a good point, Ezra. So these two hotels,
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specifically the Radisson, it did make the news last summer because so many people were leaving
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negative reviews on online websites like TripAdvisor because basically they had half the hotel
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housing refugees and the other half was still open to the public. So guests were coming and that was
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their impression of Toronto. It was like being in a UN refugee camp. Well, the media covered it at first
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and then they kind of changed their tune and decided that many of the posts online might have
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been hoaxes or that they couldn't verify whether the people actually stayed there or not. So they
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completely changed the channel and stopped covering it. Well, we continued to cover it. We sent folks
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down to, we sent a journalist down to investigate at those two hotels. We found out that they're
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completely closed to the public. They're 100% there just to house asylum seekers, recent refugees,
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and mostly immigrant homeless people. So people who have come from other countries and just for
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whatever reason are now homeless and they're living in these hotels. The hotels still offer
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a lot of the same services, including we found out, like you mentioned, housekeeping. So they have maids
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coming through cleaning for them. They get to go swimming. They get to go use the gym, all this kind of
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stuff on the taxpayer, of course. And it's still the story of folks who are staying in these hotels is still
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a little bit lawlessness. There's some stories of, you know, creepy men hitting on young teenage women
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and making them feel uncomfortable. We talked to migrants who were actually complaining about the
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lack of affordable housing in Toronto. You know, they chose to be in Toronto. They chose to claim
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asylum. They're getting huge benefits and handouts from the taxpayers. And yet some of these folks are
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still complaining. So it was really interesting. And we have, yeah, a lot of information in that report
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that you mentioned. Yeah. You know what? I wonder if I can get housekeeping from the government of
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Canada in my home. I wonder if I can get a free swimming pool and gym pass. And I'm just a mere
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Canadian citizen. One day I'll get the benefits that illegal migrants illegally crossing into Canada
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get. Unbelievable. Well, Candace, I'm thrilled that you are covering these stories. We obviously cover
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them here at the Rebel 2. But I have always said I wish we weren't alone because sometimes we truly
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feel, I feel this way, that we're alone on so many of these issues. So I'm delighted that you're ramping
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up your work. It is so needed. You bring to it an expertise from your own experience in the
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immigration department. And I love the fact that you still have a toehold in the mainstream media.
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You still do, thank God, publish columns from time to time in the Toronto Sun. And I hope you
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continue to do so. I can only imagine the pressure they're under to cut you off. Last word to you,
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Candace. Well, I wanted just to pick up on an earlier point that you made. You know, the idea that
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Trudeau and Gerald Butts and the liberal kind of guard make that Canadians who care about immigration
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and national security are only only care about those issues because they're racist or they're far
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right or they're bigoted in some ways. I think that they just have that completely backwards. I think
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that there are a lot of legitimate concerns and issues that Canadians have. And that unless we address
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these issues, you know, they're just going to get worse and the sentiment is going to get angrier and
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angrier. So, yeah, most mainstream media avoid this topic because they don't want to be, you know,
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accused of racism, like they accuse people like me and people like you of all the time.
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It's so important that we ignore those voices and continue to forge ahead to tell the truth,
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to report to Canadians and to remind Canadians that it is a legitimate concern to care about
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immigration and that when there's lawlessness and chaos like has been created under Trudeau,
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he deserves to be criticized. So that's sort of the mission. That's the idea behind TNC.news.
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And I hope people will enjoy the reports that we're bringing to them.
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Well, that's great. We consider you a friend and an ally and we wish you all the best with it.
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All right. There you have it. Candace Malcolm with the True North Initiative and
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the boss of TNC.news. Stay with us. More ahead on The Rebel.
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Hey, welcome back on my monologue yesterday about a new tax proposal for CanCon.
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Cal writes, you have a point about CanCon, emphasis on con. Yeah, it just felt so golden oldies to even use that word again.
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I mean, the last time anyone even thought about CanCon in a real way, I mean, did anyone even think about it outside the elites?
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That's got to be 20 years ago. I mean, the Internet really started kicking it off in the mid-90s.
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By the time the new millennium rolled around, everyone was online.
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And smartphones are more than, I mean, the iPhone celebrated its 10-year anniversary, right?
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Everyone's online in CanCon. I don't know the percentage. It's got to be over 90%.
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So the idea that we would reach back to the pre-Internet era, even before the profusion of cable outlets, and go to CanCon,
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well, you need 22.3% of your music has to be by Canadians and 27.2% of your movies.
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But crazy with a purpose. Crazy like a fox. They want to control you and text you.
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If you have to have regulations to force your culture on your citizens, it does not say much about your culture.
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I mean, who coins a word? You ever think about that?
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If the government says there's a new word, do you have to agree?
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Astro, not, you know, television, and they just seem right.
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The idea that you would say, stop using those words, start using these words, because I'm in the government.
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Well, you know, it's funny you say that because, of course, so much of Hollywood is politics.
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You can't go to a Hollywood show other than maybe the one in 100 that maybe Clint Eastwood or Mel Gibson are involved with without getting a heavy dose of global warming and open borders and just even anti-Trump politics.
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I mean, I can't watch Saturday Night Live anymore.
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We get enough politics as it is from Hollywood.
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On my interview with Alan Bokhari, Peter writes,
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The only way to stop the big tech companies such as YouTube and Google from changing the search results by filtering out right-wing content is by affecting their income.
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Money is really the only thing to which they respond.
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But I think the obvious observation is they are so rich and so huge that, you know, the few percent of people who would self-identify as active conservatives who might maybe switch their Google search elsewhere won't even bother them.
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I mean, they could shut us down in a second and they would lose.
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I mean, we do still get some monetization on some videos.
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Google might lose some tens of thousands of dollars a year or even, let's say, hundreds of thousands of dollars a year if they shut us down.
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Their, I don't know, their net worth, it's probably more, their market capitalization is surely more than $100 billion.
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They didn't care about getting rid of Alex Jones.
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They don't care about getting rid of any conservative voices.
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And by the way, they would happily spend that as a sign of their good taste.
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No, I think the only way to stop it is with trust-busting legislation such as was used against, oh, the telecom companies, Standard Oil.
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And as I've discussed before with Alan Bukhari, removing Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act,
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that's what lets platforms be immune from content lawsuits.
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It's why you don't sue the phone booth company if you hear something really mean on the phone,
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because the phone booth says, we had nothing to do with it, we just provided a little wire.
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Well, if you start censoring, I approve that message, I don't approve that message,
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you're not a neutral platform anymore, you are a publisher.
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And that's how YouTube, Google, Facebook, Twitter, all these companies are acting right now.
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They should no longer have the immunity for their publications since they're making those decisions.
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If you're not going to be neutral like a phone booth,
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you don't get to be immune to the bad behavior of the people who are communicating on your platform.
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Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, see you at home.
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Hey, keep fighting for freedom while you still can.