Rebel News Podcast - January 31, 2019


Outrage forced Google to stop calling Omar Khadr a Canadian soldier. But why was Trudeauā€™s office on Google's sideļ¼Ÿ

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Google's policy on Omar Khadr Gerald Butts Google search correction money and censorship
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Omar Khadr Justin Trudeau Gerald Butts Andrew Scheer Ezra Levant Manny Montenegrino Harjit Sajjan Andrew Lawton Christopher Speer Candace Malcolm Dan Sullivan John Wiseman Jesse Brown Alan Bokhari Maxine Waters Zita Estravis Catherine McKenna Sheila Gunn-Reed Tommy Robinson Stephen Hopper and 17 more
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A Canadian terrorist was listed in Google as a Canadian soldier. Of course, he's not. He's a Canadian terrorist. So why did Justin Trudeau's principal secretary, Gerald Butts, make 4 tweets fighting against this revision? And of course, we talk to Candace Malcolm about work she's doing.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, Rebels. It's your Rebel Commander Ezra Levant here. You are listening to a free
00:00:03.380 audio-only recording of my TV show, The Ezra Levant Show. Today, we ask the weird question,
00:00:11.300 why is Gerald Butts so obsessed with the fact that Google removed a search result
00:00:17.660 that inaccurately showed Omar Khadr as a Canadian soldier? Of course, he's not a Canadian soldier.
00:00:23.440 He's a Canadian terrorist. Why did Justin Trudeau's principal secretary
00:00:26.740 make four tweets fighting against this revision? So weird. You got to listen to that. And of course,
00:00:34.540 we talked to Candace Malcolm, one of our favorite people, about work she's doing. If you like
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00:01:38.600 Tonight, public outrage makes Google stop saying that Omer Cotter is a Canadian soldier.
00:01:43.400 But why was Trudeau's office on the side of Cotter? It's January 30th, and this is the
00:01:48.900 Ezra LeVant Show.
00:01:51.820 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:01:55.620 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
00:01:59.700 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my
00:02:04.300 bloody right to do so.
00:02:05.560 Sometimes a small story illustrates something big, like if you're walking by a picket fence
00:02:16.160 and one plank is missing. Just for a moment, as you pass by, you get a glimpse of what's
00:02:20.560 going on the other side of the fence. I think that happened yesterday in Canada. It was about
00:02:25.820 this Google search result. I mean, there are literally billions of Google searches every day.
00:02:31.880 I can't think of anything more trivial in theory, but look at it for a moment. If you type in the
00:02:36.400 words Canadian soldier, it shows various Canadian soldiers, but it also, at least until yesterday,
00:02:44.480 listed Omar Cotter, the convicted, confessed Al-Qaeda terrorist who actually murdered a soldier,
00:02:54.220 the U.S. Army medic Christopher Speer.
00:02:55.840 And Google shows Cotter's smiling face as a Canadian soldier. He is not a Canadian soldier.
00:03:02.700 He's a Canadian terrorist. And frankly, though he was born in Canada, he's hardly Canadian. He has 0.96
00:03:08.200 lived much of his life either in terrorist training camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan or in Guantanamo
00:03:14.180 Bay. I guess technically he's a Canadian, but he obviously was never a soldier. He is a criminal
00:03:20.220 convicted of five war crimes. That is the opposite of a soldier. So why was he listed in that Google
00:03:27.260 search result? Now, when I saw this yesterday morning, our friend Manny Montenegrino first
00:03:33.660 tweeted about it. That's how I saw it. When I first saw it, I thought, this can't be real. Is that
00:03:38.200 photoshopped or something? So I took out my own phone and I immediately typed in Canadian soldier
00:03:43.500 into Google. And sure enough, it really came up that way. Sorry, that is not an accident. That is
00:03:50.060 not an algorithm thing. That is some policy choice. That's Google doing what they do more and more of
00:03:57.520 these days. They're putting their finger on the scale. Google search results are not neutral.
00:04:01.140 Like we showed you yesterday, Google responded to a left-wing activist and changed their search
00:04:06.560 algorithm to push pro-life sites way down the search rankings so that when you search for information
00:04:12.520 about abortion politics, you're given pro-choice views first. And most people, since we're busy
00:04:17.740 and since we pretty much trust Google to be neutral, most people don't usually get past the first page
00:04:22.180 of results on Google. So we know that Google manipulates results for political reasons that
00:04:27.860 they control. That was exposed by Alan Bocari, who received a leak of Google's blacklist. That's
00:04:35.020 actually how Google refers to it inside the company, a blacklist. It was fascinating to learn that
00:04:39.760 Google is manipulating all sorts of political things, hiding embarrassing facts about Maxine
00:04:45.980 Waters. That's one of the things they do. Remember her?
00:04:48.980 And if you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline
00:04:57.980 station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them
00:05:04.760 you're not welcome anymore, anywhere.
00:05:09.980 Did you know that Google hides bad news about that woman, Maxine Waters? Did you know that
00:05:14.980 Google interfered with searches during Ireland's recent referendum on abortion? I bet you 99% 0.99
00:05:19.980 of Irish citizens didn't know that. I bet Google, which also owns YouTube, probably has the power
00:05:25.980 influence an entire election, five or 10% through that sort of manipulation, which is never disclosed,
00:05:32.240 never reported, never regulated. I say again, this isn't some conspiracy theory like Russia rigged the
00:05:37.820 American election. That's a conspiracy that has gripped the mainstream media for two years without any
00:05:43.300 evidence. This is Google's own internal documents, their blacklists and their finger on the scale. So yeah,
00:05:50.720 Google is literally trying to whitewash the horrific crimes of an al-Qaeda terrorist named
00:05:55.300 Omar Khadr. But why should that surprise any of us? The media party itself did that. I think our
00:06:00.920 Alberta reporter in Calgary, a new reporter there, Kian Bexte, was literally the first reporter in
00:06:06.700 Canadian history to actually attend an Omar Khadr press conference and refer to Omar Khadr as what he is
00:06:13.180 and what he confessed to being and what he was convicted of being, being a terrorist.
00:06:18.160 Even if he gets a passport, which airline in Canada will take him to Saudi Arabia?
00:06:24.460 You'd have to ask some Canadian airlines. I doubt that they'd want to take a terrorist
00:06:28.320 across the sea to Saudi Arabia. Oh, I see.
00:06:32.340 You see Khadr standing behind him just smirking. The lawyer there was actually surprised. He's used to
00:06:38.160 obedience from journalists, not challenges. Here's Kian asking Khadr himself some questions a little bit
00:06:44.680 later. Never happened before in Canada.
00:06:51.480 Omar Khadr, can you tell me, do you regret killing Christopher Speer?
00:06:56.380 Do you regret killing Christopher Speer? Where's the money? Where's the taxpayer-funded fortune? Is it
00:07:02.800 offshore right now? Tell us, Omar.
00:07:05.180 Omar? Anyways, back to yesterday. That's Omar Khadr for you. Manny Montenegrino showed that Google was
00:07:12.760 listing that terrorist there, Omar Khadr, as a Canadian soldier. That is so gross. So Manny made 0.68
00:07:18.800 a fuss about it on Twitter. And other conservatives joined in. I retweeted Manny. And here's a good one
00:07:25.420 from Andrew Lawton, who said, holy crap, fix your algorithm, Google. When one searches Canadian 0.70
00:07:30.920 soldier, the first hit is Omar Khadr. Killing a soldier doesn't make you one. That is so true. Good 0.85
00:07:36.400 one by Andrew Lawton. So this story spread like wildfire through normal society, because normal
00:07:42.580 Canadians never bought into the pro-Khadr love affair. Our media did, our politicians did, our 0.93
00:07:47.800 courts did, but not normal people. Eventually, whoever writes Andrew Scheer's tweets these days
00:07:53.260 tweeted about this. I like Andrew Scheer's Twitter feed these days. They're so butch compared to
00:07:59.280 before Maxime Bernier broke away and started his own party. Maxime has always been tough and
00:08:03.400 charismatic and conservative on Twitter. And I think that's a big reason why people like him.
00:08:07.320 He's not mealy-mouthed and indecisive. So about 90 days ago, Scheer put a new Twitter writer on the
00:08:12.220 file, and he is great. I just wish Andrew Scheer was like that in real life, but I'll take what I can
00:08:17.420 get. And online, Andrew Scheer wrote this. Omar Khadr is a convicted terrorist who
00:08:22.720 murdered a medic and blinded another. He is not a victim, nor should he be portrayed in this way
00:08:27.220 alongside real Canadian heroes. Google Canada, fix this. That's great. Obviously, that's not how
00:08:35.680 Andrew Scheer talks in real life, but so what? Great tweet, great point, right on the news.
00:08:41.560 I'm really putting it straight to Google by tagging them in that tweet. Oh, you better believe that
00:08:46.720 Google headquarters read that. And good for them, they fixed it. I don't know if they would have fixed it
00:08:52.500 if it was just a public outcry, but with the leader of the opposition tweeting it, they fixed it.
00:08:57.220 Maybe they don't want to be embarrassed in public. Maybe they want to keep all politicians on side.
00:09:01.700 Maybe they know that one day Trudeau will no longer be prime minister, so best hedge your bets. Or maybe
00:09:07.340 even, maybe they regret making a mistake. Whatever the reason, after a day of getting pummeled
00:09:12.840 by grassroots people, by media figures, and by Andrew Scheer, Google made the change. In fact,
00:09:18.440 Google's PR boss in charge of explaining searches to the public, they've got an executive position
00:09:24.220 like that, he actually responded directly to Andrew Layton. Here's what he wrote. His name is
00:09:28.940 Danny Sullivan, and he said, our systems generate lists like this automatically and can sometimes
00:09:35.160 get the wrong signals. This has now been fixed. All right, let's take them at their word. I mean,
00:09:42.540 we know they lie. We know that they know, that we know, that we can never check if they're lying.
00:09:50.160 But why be quarrelsome? Google fixed the problem. Okay, story over, right? I mean, big deal. At this
00:09:57.960 point, it's not a big deal. Maybe it was just an error. Maybe it was a big nothing. Good for some
00:10:03.760 Twitter fuss, which is always fun, but nothing. Yeah, no, weirdly, bizarrely, the Liberal Party of Canada
00:10:12.380 fought back. They fought back, and I don't know why exactly. I think it looked really, really bad on
00:10:19.340 them. They fought back, not against Qatar. Remember, they're with Qatar. They gave them a public apology
00:10:25.580 and $10.5 million. They fought back against people who were mad about Qatar being called a soldier.
00:10:31.880 They fought back against people asking Google to change it, as some left-wing media did too,
00:10:37.820 but the Liberals did. That is really weird. Check out this. Gerald Butts, Justin Trudeau's principal
00:10:43.680 secretary, he took time away from everything else he's doing these days, pushed aside everything
00:10:48.720 less important to weigh in on this matter, not once, not twice, not three times, but four times. I mean,
00:10:55.080 look, we've got the Chinese dictatorship taking our citizens hostage. We've got an industrial crisis in 0.85
00:11:00.760 Alberta. We have a thousand real things this government needs to do, and it's failing at so many of
00:11:05.600 them. But Gerald Butts makes this the biggest issue of his day, and he clears aside hours for it. Yes, he did.
00:11:12.680 He wrote this. He said, Google searches are personally optimized, not news. When I search for Canadian
00:11:24.200 soldiers, I get Canadian soldiers and Prime Minister Pearson. Andrew Scheer gets Omer Cotter. This IT
00:11:30.180 problem is between the chair and the keyboard. Oh, that's so clever. But first of all, even if Butts was right,
00:11:38.260 so what? So what? Why would Omer Cotter show up on a list? But he's not right, actually. Here's that
00:11:48.400 same public boss of Google search, and he says, personalization of results is, of our results is
00:11:57.120 minimal as covered below. And he links to a detailed answer. Personalization wasn't involved here. This was
00:12:04.640 present for anyone doing the search, though exact position may have changed, as our results can be
00:12:09.640 very dynamic. So that's Google's search expert. But Gerald Butts kept at this. He retweeted this guy.
00:12:20.260 This guy who said, when I say taking lessons from the alt-right, I really, I mean that literally,
00:12:27.500 Meta Canada is the heart of the Canadian alt-right movement on Reddit. This post was done four hours
00:12:32.140 before Andrew Scheer's tweet. There's no beating around the bush on this one. So some guy, I don't
00:12:38.140 know who, claims that an anonymous post earlier on the day in some online billboard, one of thousands
00:12:47.800 of Canadians who were upset by this Cotter story, this guy named John Wiseman, this nobody, found an
00:12:53.400 anonymous site, literally a nobody, that was upset about the Cotter thing too. John Wiseman says they're
00:12:59.300 alt-right, says that's why Scheer was mad about this, and therefore it's bad or something. It's
00:13:07.160 not bad that Omer Cotter's listed as a soldier. Gerald Butts didn't think that was bad. He thought it
00:13:12.100 was bad that Andrew Scheer was mentioning it. I mean, this isn't even guilt by association here.
00:13:17.120 That's a full-blown conspiracy theory. You see, Andrew Scheer read an anonymous thing, and it's just so
00:13:22.820 weird. And it still evades the question, why is Gerald Butts, Justin Trudeau's principal secretary,
00:13:27.540 why is he defending Google's error to list Omer Cotter, the al-Qaeda terrorist, as a legit Canadian
00:13:35.160 soldier? Why is he quibbling over minutia? Why is he arguing over how many, you know, it's a
00:13:40.440 personalized search result or not? What difference does it make? He's not a Canadian soldier. It's
00:13:45.180 weird that Google search engine said it was, but they fixed it fairly quickly. Why is Butts still
00:13:51.700 trying to litigate it? Why is he following this affair at all? Why is he weighing in?
00:13:57.620 Four times on the side of fake news. It's fake news. Omer Cotter is not a Canadian soldier. That is
00:14:03.160 fake. It's a lie. It's the opposite of the truth. He murdered an American soldier and partly blinded
00:14:09.440 another one. Why is Gerald Butts so mad about them correcting this? Four times. He wasn't done. He
00:14:17.860 started arguing with the Google search executive, because Gerald Butts knows his business better.
00:14:22.180 This is what he said. In the interest of fairness, Google has posted along a thread
00:14:27.360 describing how optimization works on their platform. They say personal search history has a minimal
00:14:32.540 effect on results. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. So he acknowledged that Google said it
00:14:38.260 was search results that everyone got. So he acknowledged his weird theory about Andrew Scheer
00:14:42.480 being the only one to see that was gone. It wouldn't make a difference anyways, because the result is the
00:14:47.140 problem here. But then Gerald Butts wasn't done. He was still arguing. He cooked up a theory that now
00:14:54.860 it's not just Andrew Scheer who's telling a fib or something. Google was lying about their error.
00:15:04.840 Google wasn't telling the truth. Gerald Butts just knew it in his bones. Let me read another one here.
00:15:09.120 But also in the interest of fairness, Google's claims about the degree to which your search
00:15:14.220 is personalized are hotly debated. How minimal is minimal? Okay, that's got nothing to do with
00:15:21.820 whether or not Omar Khadr is a soldier. He's not. And whether or not he should show up in a Google
00:15:26.740 search as a soldier for anyone. He shouldn't. But Justin Trudeau's principal secretary stopped working
00:15:36.340 on the Chinese hostage situation. Stop working on the pipeline problem. Stop working on NAFTA. Stop
00:15:41.240 working on anything else. He spent the better part of his afternoon haggling over this. He was wrong.
00:15:47.600 He had this weird conspiracy theory. It was wrong. But more than any of that, why is he so obsessed
00:15:54.220 with keeping this fake news alive? And why was he so mad at Andrew Scheer for talking about it? Why is he
00:16:01.140 calling anonymous people on the internet alt-right or whatever? He doesn't even know who they are.
00:16:06.440 How would he know if they're alt-right? I think there are a few things here going on. First of all,
00:16:11.380 I think that the Trudeau government is absolutely obsessed with Islam. I mean, it's obvious. We all
00:16:18.440 know it. Trudeau is obsessed with bringing in Muslim refugees. He's obsessed with women wearing hijabs.
00:16:22.900 If he sees a woman in a hijab anywhere, he makes a beeline to them to take a selfie. It was super weird.
00:16:27.840 And he even had a weird Mother's Day card with his own mother and wife wearing, I don't know,
00:16:33.460 are those hijabs? They're not Muslim, are they? Maybe they are. I just think it's super weird. 1.00
00:16:38.520 And we all know that he has a soft spot for Muslim terrorists. Omar Khadr in particular, 0.97
00:16:43.160 of course, he gave a public apology and $10.5 million to Omar Khadr. And he met with Joshua Boyle,
00:16:49.940 who used to be married to Omar Khadr's sister. And then who took his next wife to Afghanistan to meet
00:16:55.280 up with the Taliban who kidnapped them? Trudeau met with that Islamist kook too, who, as you can see 1.00
00:17:02.260 in this tweet, laughed that he met Trudeau before in 2006 in Toronto over other common interests.
00:17:09.000 Ha ha. I think Gerald Butts is absolutely terrified of people saying the obvious that Justin Trudeau has
00:17:17.300 a weird affinity, not just for Islam. I love my Tarek Farah. I want to hug the guy when I see him.
00:17:24.480 I love Muslim moderates, Muslim liberals. I'm not talking about that. Trudeau has a special affinity 1.00
00:17:31.960 for radical Islam, extreme Islam, anti-Western Islam, violent Islam. Trudeau never praises 0.73
00:17:41.280 moderate liberal pro-Western Muslims. He prefers the radical variety. And I think Gerald Butts 0.98
00:17:45.560 is part of that cultishness in some way. I mean, why would Gerald Butts, the principal secretary to
00:17:52.220 the Prime Minister of Canada, in this crisis moment, stop what he was working on and defend
00:17:58.140 Khadr being improperly on that list? Ha. But there are two other things afoot here, I think. One is,
00:18:07.200 look how immediately they denounce anyone who disagrees with radical Islam, or even terrorism,
00:18:11.540 Islamophobic and alt-right. That's what he did. I should tell you that 71% of Canadians
00:18:20.100 opposed giving Omar Khadr an apology and money. That's according to Angus Reid. 71%. I bet a lot
00:18:25.600 of peace-loving Muslims opposed it too. According to the poll, even liberals opposed it. Of course,
00:18:30.540 we don't believe in terrorists. But that's going to be the election campaign calling anyone who opposes
00:18:36.720 Trudeau a Nazi or an Islamophobe or a hater. Even implying that Andrew Scheer, the tepid, timid,
00:18:45.140 milquetoast conservative leader, is somehow a Nazi for even criticizing a terrorist. And the second
00:18:50.620 thing that seems to drive Gerald Butts crazy is that Andrew Scheer pushed Google to make the fix,
00:18:57.120 and they did. I think Butts really hated that. Because that's his move. He wants to push around
00:19:05.580 the tech companies. He wants to blacklist his enemies online. He doesn't want anyone else
00:19:09.960 muscling in to that racket. Here's a leftist journalist named Jesse Brown, who was so mad
00:19:16.480 that Andrew Scheer contacted Google like the liberals always do, what leftist journalists always do all
00:19:23.160 the time. Jesse Brown said, thanks, Danny. That's Danny Sullivan, the search executive. Was Scheer
00:19:28.800 correct that you removed Cotter based on his request? Do you guys do stuff like that now?
00:19:33.180 Do you guys do stuff like that now? Now? Now? Where do you mean, buddy? That's all they do now.
00:19:41.760 They suppress conservative search results. They demonetize conservatives. They de-platform
00:19:46.120 conservatives. They kick them off Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, PayPal, Patreon. But Jesse Brown
00:19:51.600 is upset about it when it's a terrorist involved. That a terrorist wasn't allowed to be called a
00:19:59.980 Canadian soldier. And that a conservative would have the temerity to complain. And that Google
00:20:05.620 would listen to them. Yuck. This wasn't just a handful of leftists. Everyone was weighing in on
00:20:11.760 this. It was so weird. Here's Rob Silver. I like Rob. He's the husband of Justin Trudeau's chief of staff.
00:20:16.860 But here he is saying that opposing the fake news that Omar Khadr is a war hero or something
00:20:21.860 is the fringe right. Why are liberals even talking about Omar Khadr? What are they doing? Here's Zita
00:20:30.400 Estravis. And she's liking, you can see this on her like page, she's the chief of staff to Harjit
00:20:38.440 Sajan, our defense minister. And she liked the tweets of Gerald Butts sticking up for Google's
00:20:45.340 pro-Khatr error. Does Harjit Sajan, former soldier himself, who served with distinction
00:20:53.440 in Afghanistan, where his fellow soldiers were killed by IEDs, placed perhaps even by Omar Khadr
00:21:01.080 himself. Does Harjit Sajan agree with Zita Estravis, his chief of staff, that Omar Khadr should
00:21:07.620 be listed on Google as a Canadian soldier? The chief of staff to our defense minister liked
00:21:13.260 Gerald Butts' craziness there. Does Harjit Sajan agree? By the way, I did a search and Gerald
00:21:21.360 Butts has tweeted his defense of Omar Khadr ten times over the years. Ten times he stood up
00:21:30.120 for Omar Khadr. But I typed in Spear, that's the last name of the man murdered by Khadr. And
00:21:37.300 yeah, Gerald Butts hasn't written that word once ever. Look, what we see here is exactly
00:21:46.340 what it looks like. A liberal party that truly loves Omar Khadr absolutely stands by their
00:21:50.320 decision to apologize to him and make him a multimillionaire and absolutely is throwing 0.98
00:21:56.400 in their lot with Muslim extremists and even Muslim terrorists. And they react to any normal 1.00
00:21:59.980 Canadians, the 71% who disagreed with what the liberals did for Khadr, by calling ordinary
00:22:05.540 Canadians Islamophobes and alt-right haters. And they absolutely don't want us complaining
00:22:11.360 to social media companies about their fake news. Gerald Butts and Justin Trudeau prefer
00:22:16.180 fake news. In their minds, I think they really believe Omar Khadr was a Canadian soldier. I think
00:22:22.640 they really do think some conspiracy theory about this only appearing on Andrew Scheer's Google
00:22:27.860 search. This, my friends, we all learn from one little online moment, like walking past a fence
00:22:36.300 with a wooden plank missing. We have just seen a glimpse of the 2019 election campaign, and it is
00:22:44.740 going to be ugly. Get ready to be called a racist for not believing their pro-terrorist fake news.
00:22:54.640 Stay with us for more.
00:22:57.860 Well, I tell you, I can't believe how furious Gerald Butts and the whole liberal establishment
00:23:15.120 were that Andrew Scheer and other conservative journalists, including Andrew Lawton from the
00:23:20.100 True North Initiative, criticized Google for having Omar Khadr show up on their search results
00:23:26.880 for Canadian soldiers. And I think there's a whole bundle of issues that Justin Trudeau and Gerald
00:23:34.320 Butts and the liberal establishment are hypersensitive to. Omar Khadr is clearly one of them. But I think
00:23:40.920 the number one issue in the 2019 election campaign that we will see pushback not just from Trudeau and
00:23:48.360 Butts and Amit Hassan and Catherine McKenna. It's not going to be the carbon tax. It is going to be
00:23:55.560 open borders, unvetted migration, particularly Muslim migration, which seems to be an obsession of Justin
00:24:04.220 Trudeau. That's at least how it looks to me. Well, no one is covering this file better than our friend
00:24:10.360 Candace Malcolm. And she joins us now via Skype. Candace, I'm so glad you're here. Not only are you a
00:24:16.200 journalist and an activist and an advocate, but you have actually in the past worked in the ministry
00:24:22.980 of immigration. So you're not just an outsider trying to figure things out. You've seen how it
00:24:27.960 works or doesn't work from the inside. I'm really glad you're unpacking that expertise for the rest of
00:24:34.900 us to follow along. Thank you. Well, thank you so much, Ezra. I've definitely seen inside the belly
00:24:40.720 of the beast, so to speak. And I know how many problems there are with Canada's immigration system.
00:24:45.740 Most people might not think a lot about it, but the issues are kind of pouring into the mainstream
00:24:50.140 all of a sudden. And, you know, these issues and these problems have been building up for years,
00:24:54.340 if not decades. You know, I want to we know you as the boss of the True North initiative.
00:25:00.420 It was great to have you come over to London as one of our real reporters covering the
00:25:04.240 Tommy Robinson trial. It was really fun. And I'm delighted to see that you have a new
00:25:08.640 sort of aggregate website where you put all your investigations. And I think a lot of our fans are
00:25:14.860 already your fans, Candace. But for those who don't know, you've got a website that you're using for
00:25:19.200 all your stuff. And it's TNC.news, not .com, not .media, TNC.news. Tell me a little bit about TNC.news.
00:25:30.360 Sure, Ezra. So as people may know, the True North initiative has long sort of been an immigration
00:25:36.360 advocacy and research organization that I started a couple of years ago to help launch a conversation
00:25:42.680 and have a conversation about, like we're talking about, the many problems associated with our
00:25:47.620 immigration and open border system. Well, we've expanded that. So we're now True North Canada as
00:25:54.180 well. True North Canada, TNC.news is our news site where we are doing investigative reports. We have
00:26:01.480 a couple of journalists that I've hired to do reporting, to do investigative journalism, to go
00:26:06.940 out and really uncover some of the stories that are not being told in Canada, similar to what The
00:26:12.580 Rebel does, you know, filing freedom of information requests, getting out and talking to everyday
00:26:18.360 people. So for a focus on immigration and national security specifically, folks can check out our
00:26:24.700 website, TNC.news. And there's stories every day, there's reports, there's videos, and then there's our
00:26:31.220 longer sort of investigative pieces that are going to be coming out every week. That's great. That's
00:26:35.860 TNC.news. I want to get to some of those news stories, so I want to get our hands dirty with some of these
00:26:41.240 amazing stories. You've got an amazing story about how many asylum claims are coming in from
00:26:47.920 Mexico. That's incredible. You've got an amazing story about hotels here in the Toronto area that
00:26:54.320 are for refugees only. So many stories, but I just want to ask you two more quick things about
00:27:02.080 TNC.news. The first is, I know the answer, but I just want to hear you say it. TNC.news will not take
00:27:09.000 any money from Justin Trudeau and his media bailout fund, will it? Well, I don't think that
00:27:14.560 they would include us after the UN Global Migrant Compact specifically said that the government's
00:27:21.000 only going to support media outlets that parrot liberal migration talking points. So no, as we're
00:27:27.200 entirely funded by Canadians, you know, we were founded through grassroots donations. And our aim is
00:27:35.680 to tell the truth to Canadians, not to pander to government officials and get massive handouts
00:27:41.860 from the government. I mean, I think that that entire program is disastrous for the media. How can
00:27:48.580 you have a free and independent press when that press is also reliant on handouts from the government?
00:27:53.580 It doesn't make sense. It contradicts a very basic element of freedom of the press.
00:27:57.720 You know, I knew in my heart that was going to be your answer, Candace, but I just had to ask,
00:28:01.680 and it was such a pleasure to hear you say so. And I feel like we're slightly less alone.
00:28:07.920 You know, I mean, I can count on one hand's fingers how many journalists remain who are not
00:28:14.420 taking the payoff money from Trudeau. And that is exactly what it is. So it's great to, and we hope to
00:28:22.420 bring your stories to our people, obviously giving you full credit for it. Let's jump in right away.
00:28:28.080 I've got arrayed here on my desk in front of me, five different stories. Let's just start with
00:28:33.900 this one here. It's really shocking to me that the number of asylum claims from Mexicans has jumped
00:28:45.880 from 260 in 2016, almost tenfold to 2,000. Actually, it was even lower. It was 111 in Stephen
00:28:57.700 Hopper's last year as prime minister, 111. Last year was 2,445, almost a 24-fold increase. What's
00:29:08.320 going on? Why are we taking Mexicans? I mean, there's no, I mean, Mexico is a free, it's not a, 0.84
00:29:14.660 it's not a rich country. It's got its troubles, but it's not, it's not a country from which people
00:29:18.820 are refugees. What's going on?
00:29:21.260 Well, that's right. And before Canada had implemented a visa, we used to have a visa
00:29:26.880 requirement. So tourists coming from Mexico to Canada had to pre-apply. Before they arrived
00:29:32.080 in Canada, they had to pre-apply, get a visa. And the reason was because we had such a problem
00:29:37.620 in the past with Mexicans overstaying their visitor visas and then eventually applying
00:29:43.880 for asylum, Ezra, less than 10% of all folks who claimed asylum from Mexico were bonafide refugees
00:29:51.200 were found by Canadian court systems to be real refugees. So under the Harper government,
00:29:57.880 Canada implemented a visa. Justin Trudeau, when he was running for prime minister back in 2015,
00:30:04.500 was really opposed to the visa and made it his pledge. It was kind of odd, you know, usually campaign
00:30:11.060 pledges are made to Canadians. This campaign pledge that Justin Trudeau made was to Mexicans and he
00:30:16.360 promised that they'd be able to come to Canada without getting a visa. He implemented that in
00:30:22.160 2016. So many people warned that there'd be a huge spike in asylum claims from Mexicans. I was one of
00:30:28.240 those people, you know, it was writing, the writing was on the wall and lo and behold, the numbers come
00:30:34.740 out year after year and we're heading back in that same direction as we, as we were before, just,
00:30:40.060 you know, endless Mexicans coming to Canada making asylum claims. And interestingly, a lot of them 1.00
00:30:46.120 never even show up to their court date. They just kind of disappear. And so we don't know whether
00:30:51.180 they're working illegally in Canada, whether they've tried to slip into the U.S. undetected,
00:30:55.900 but it creates a major issue, not just for sort of, you know, the cost of the system and the benefits
00:31:02.960 that these folks receive, the cost in the courts, but also for national security. You know, a lot of
00:31:07.360 people from Mexico are part of these very horrific gangs that, you know, they're dangerous criminals. 1.00
00:31:12.920 And, you know, some of these people might end up slipping into Canada undetected.
00:31:17.200 Yeah. I mean, we'll show your chart on the screen here from 2000, in the year 2014, there were 80
00:31:23.600 such asylum claims. Then it ticked up a little bit to 111 in Harper's last year. Then it more than
00:31:30.440 doubled in 2016. And then, bam, off to the races, 1,515 in 2017. And in the first 10 months of last
00:31:39.140 year, 2,445, just incredibly. Here's my point on that. We all know they're fake. We all know that.
00:31:48.400 And the law says that. So by indulging that, how on earth is that helping real refugees? How on earth
00:31:56.740 is that helping support for our refugee system? I think that Justin Trudeau and Ahmed Hassan,
00:32:02.600 the immigration minister, who think they're so warm hearted and compassionate, I don't think
00:32:07.440 they realize that by cynically allowing and permitting this obvious advantage taking, they're
00:32:14.960 burning up whatever genuine goodwill Canadians. I think Canadians have always been welcoming and
00:32:18.880 open-hearted. But when so obviously, when we allow someone so obviously to steal access to our country
00:32:27.560 and Trudeau says, yeah, no problem. See you next year. I think that hardens the heart. I think they're
00:32:33.840 causing an anti-immigrant backlash by permitting such misconduct. What do you think?
00:32:39.520 Absolutely, Ezra. There's no question about it. I mean, Canada had a visa and it worked. You can see by
00:32:44.420 the low numbers in the end of the Harper era there. They found a public policy solution that
00:32:49.140 worked. Look, Mexico is a corrupt country. It is a dangerous country because of lawlessness 0.99
00:32:53.720 and criminal activity. But it isn't the government that is cracking down on individuals. It isn't
00:32:59.760 necessarily a refugee producing country. It's actually a refugee receiving country. It receives
00:33:04.180 a lot of refugees from Central and Latin America. And so the idea that Canada is somehow allowing
00:33:10.840 people to come in, take advantage of our tourism system, essentially, and then staying. And, you
00:33:16.920 know, we don't know exactly what's happening to them. I think that that is really a clear example
00:33:22.400 of confusing economic migrants with real refugees in need of protection and just sort of sloppy
00:33:29.220 administration, allowing people to come and go unchecked and without the proper screening and
00:33:34.680 vetting that Canada really ought to have.
00:33:36.680 Yeah. Oh, and I don't think it's just sloppiness. I think that's a deliberate, deliberate laxity.
00:33:43.000 I want to talk about another story because this is something that's been bandied about in the
00:33:46.760 Toronto media because it's just so interesting. Of course, so many of the illegal bogus refugees 1.00
00:33:53.840 that have just walked across from New York State into Quebec, Quebec doesn't want them. Quebec 0.95
00:33:59.780 basically puts them on buses and sends them to Toronto. And frankly, most of them want to go to
00:34:05.240 Toronto because they don't speak French. I mean, some of the Haitians stay in Quebec,
00:34:09.120 but the rest of them like to go to Toronto. So they're swamping homeless shelters in Toronto.
00:34:19.940 And so there are two hotels in Toronto that have been turned into urban refugee camps for these 1.00
00:34:30.840 refugees. They still get housekeeping services and swimming pools. And these are including for
00:34:38.760 these fake migrants from New York. Tell us about the two hotels that you've discovered, the Toronto 1.00
00:34:44.780 Plaza Hotel and the Radisson Hotel in North York. Tell us a little bit about them, what they're like,
00:34:50.660 because I know most of the media in Toronto hates this story and hates anyone who even mentions it
00:34:56.040 because it's obviously such a scandal. Well, it's a good point, Ezra. So these two hotels,
00:35:02.860 specifically the Radisson, it did make the news last summer because so many people were leaving
00:35:09.000 negative reviews on online websites like TripAdvisor because basically they had half the hotel
00:35:14.240 housing refugees and the other half was still open to the public. So guests were coming and that was
00:35:19.540 their impression of Toronto. It was like being in a UN refugee camp. Well, the media covered it at first
00:35:24.580 and then they kind of changed their tune and decided that many of the posts online might have
00:35:28.800 been hoaxes or that they couldn't verify whether the people actually stayed there or not. So they
00:35:33.420 completely changed the channel and stopped covering it. Well, we continued to cover it. We sent folks
00:35:38.640 down to, we sent a journalist down to investigate at those two hotels. We found out that they're
00:35:45.000 completely closed to the public. They're 100% there just to house asylum seekers, recent refugees,
00:35:51.280 and mostly immigrant homeless people. So people who have come from other countries and just for
00:35:56.700 whatever reason are now homeless and they're living in these hotels. The hotels still offer
00:36:01.920 a lot of the same services, including we found out, like you mentioned, housekeeping. So they have maids
00:36:07.100 coming through cleaning for them. They get to go swimming. They get to go use the gym, all this kind of
00:36:12.360 stuff on the taxpayer, of course. And it's still the story of folks who are staying in these hotels is still
00:36:18.980 a little bit lawlessness. There's some stories of, you know, creepy men hitting on young teenage women
00:36:24.360 and making them feel uncomfortable. We talked to migrants who were actually complaining about the 0.99
00:36:30.720 lack of affordable housing in Toronto. You know, they chose to be in Toronto. They chose to claim
00:36:36.680 asylum. They're getting huge benefits and handouts from the taxpayers. And yet some of these folks are 1.00
00:36:42.120 still complaining. So it was really interesting. And we have, yeah, a lot of information in that report
00:36:46.740 that you mentioned. Yeah. You know what? I wonder if I can get housekeeping from the government of
00:36:54.660 Canada in my home. I wonder if I can get a free swimming pool and gym pass. And I'm just a mere
00:37:01.840 Canadian citizen. One day I'll get the benefits that illegal migrants illegally crossing into Canada 1.00
00:37:08.660 get. Unbelievable. Well, Candace, I'm thrilled that you are covering these stories. We obviously cover
00:37:14.600 them here at the Rebel 2. But I have always said I wish we weren't alone because sometimes we truly
00:37:20.860 feel, I feel this way, that we're alone on so many of these issues. So I'm delighted that you're ramping
00:37:25.940 up your work. It is so needed. You bring to it an expertise from your own experience in the
00:37:32.700 immigration department. And I love the fact that you still have a toehold in the mainstream media.
00:37:37.460 You still do, thank God, publish columns from time to time in the Toronto Sun. And I hope you
00:37:44.040 continue to do so. I can only imagine the pressure they're under to cut you off. Last word to you,
00:37:49.480 Candace. Well, I wanted just to pick up on an earlier point that you made. You know, the idea that
00:37:55.340 Trudeau and Gerald Butts and the liberal kind of guard make that Canadians who care about immigration
00:38:02.000 and national security are only only care about those issues because they're racist or they're far
00:38:07.160 right or they're bigoted in some ways. I think that they just have that completely backwards. I think
00:38:12.220 that there are a lot of legitimate concerns and issues that Canadians have. And that unless we address
00:38:17.960 these issues, you know, they're just going to get worse and the sentiment is going to get angrier and
00:38:22.900 angrier. So, yeah, most mainstream media avoid this topic because they don't want to be, you know,
00:38:28.460 accused of racism, like they accuse people like me and people like you of all the time.
00:38:34.220 It's so important that we ignore those voices and continue to forge ahead to tell the truth,
00:38:38.440 to report to Canadians and to remind Canadians that it is a legitimate concern to care about 0.78
00:38:43.140 immigration and that when there's lawlessness and chaos like has been created under Trudeau,
00:38:49.600 he deserves to be criticized. So that's sort of the mission. That's the idea behind TNC.news.
00:38:55.140 And I hope people will enjoy the reports that we're bringing to them.
00:38:58.520 Well, that's great. We consider you a friend and an ally and we wish you all the best with it.
00:39:02.320 Thanks, my friend.
00:39:03.720 Great. Thanks, Ezra.
00:39:04.480 All right. There you have it. Candace Malcolm with the True North Initiative and
00:39:07.320 the boss of TNC.news. Stay with us. More ahead on The Rebel.
00:39:12.740 Hey, welcome back on my monologue yesterday about a new tax proposal for CanCon.
00:39:29.040 Cal writes, you have a point about CanCon, emphasis on con. Yeah, it just felt so golden oldies to even use that word again.
00:39:37.440 I mean, the last time anyone even thought about CanCon in a real way, I mean, did anyone even think about it outside the elites?
00:39:44.500 That's got to be 20 years ago. I mean, the Internet really started kicking it off in the mid-90s.
00:39:49.640 By the time the new millennium rolled around, everyone was online.
00:39:55.620 And smartphones are more than, I mean, the iPhone celebrated its 10-year anniversary, right?
00:40:01.200 Blackberries and things like that.
00:40:02.400 Everyone's online in CanCon. I don't know the percentage. It's got to be over 90%.
00:40:06.560 So the idea that we would reach back to the pre-Internet era, even before the profusion of cable outlets, and go to CanCon,
00:40:14.580 well, you need 22.3% of your music has to be by Canadians and 27.2% of your movies.
00:40:21.840 And Brian Adams is only 23% Canadian.
00:40:25.740 I mean, what are you doing? You're crazy. 1.00
00:40:29.440 Yeah, they're crazy. 1.00
00:40:32.980 But crazy with a purpose. Crazy like a fox. They want to control you and text you. 1.00
00:40:37.420 John writes,
00:40:38.660 If you have to have regulations to force your culture on your citizens, it does not say much about your culture.
00:40:44.340 You're so right. You're so right.
00:40:48.640 I mean, who coins a word? You ever think about that?
00:40:52.560 Do you need a license to make a new word?
00:40:54.400 If the government says there's a new word, do you have to agree?
00:40:57.440 No, language is so fascinating.
00:41:00.080 I think about it a lot.
00:41:02.880 Sometimes we make new words out of old words.
00:41:06.080 Astro, not, you know, television, and they just seem right.
00:41:11.660 The government can't say, here's a word.
00:41:14.220 And language is the blood of a culture.
00:41:16.700 Ask anyone in Quebec.
00:41:17.560 The idea that you would say, stop using those words, start using these words, because I'm in the government.
00:41:22.920 That's not how it works.
00:41:24.780 And I really believe that's the analogy.
00:41:27.040 Stop watching those movies that you like.
00:41:29.700 Stop watching those TV shows that you like.
00:41:31.980 Stop listening to those songs that you like.
00:41:33.900 And please watch these official ones instead.
00:41:37.200 That is not how culture works.
00:41:39.860 That is called propaganda.
00:41:41.380 Well, you know, it's funny you say that because, of course, so much of Hollywood is politics.
00:41:57.640 You can't go to a Hollywood show other than maybe the one in 100 that maybe Clint Eastwood or Mel Gibson are involved with without getting a heavy dose of global warming and open borders and just even anti-Trump politics.
00:42:12.040 I mean, I can't watch Saturday Night Live anymore.
00:42:14.640 I used to like it.
00:42:15.520 I used to laugh.
00:42:16.700 Now, it's not even not funny.
00:42:18.740 I feel like I'm getting my weekly dose.
00:42:20.680 Take your medicine.
00:42:22.060 It's not even funny.
00:42:23.960 We get enough politics as it is from Hollywood.
00:42:26.940 We don't need an extra dose from Ottawa.
00:42:30.600 On my interview with Alan Bokhari, Peter writes,
00:42:34.000 The only way to stop the big tech companies such as YouTube and Google from changing the search results by filtering out right-wing content is by affecting their income.
00:42:41.480 Money is really the only thing to which they respond.
00:42:44.760 Well, yeah, that's true.
00:42:46.100 But I think the obvious observation is they are so rich and so huge that, you know, the few percent of people who would self-identify as active conservatives who might maybe switch their Google search elsewhere won't even bother them.
00:43:03.700 They don't care.
00:43:06.080 I mean, they could shut us down in a second and they would lose.
00:43:09.220 I mean, we do still get some monetization on some videos.
00:43:12.720 Google might lose some tens of thousands of dollars a year or even, let's say, hundreds of thousands of dollars a year if they shut us down.
00:43:20.500 What do they care?
00:43:21.320 Their, I don't know, their net worth, it's probably more, their market capitalization is surely more than $100 billion.
00:43:31.120 What would they care?
00:43:32.700 What would they care about getting rid of?
00:43:35.020 They didn't care about getting rid of Alex Jones.
00:43:36.760 He was double our size on YouTube.
00:43:39.700 They don't care about getting rid of any conservative voices.
00:43:42.680 It's not even a drop in the bucket.
00:43:45.420 And by the way, they would happily spend that as a sign of their good taste.
00:43:50.100 No, I think the only way to stop it is with trust-busting legislation such as was used against, oh, the telecom companies, Standard Oil.
00:44:01.720 And as I've discussed before with Alan Bukhari, removing Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act,
00:44:06.760 that's what lets platforms be immune from content lawsuits.
00:44:13.620 It's why you don't sue the phone booth company if you hear something really mean on the phone,
00:44:18.340 because the phone booth says, we had nothing to do with it, we just provided a little wire.
00:44:22.160 Well, if you start censoring, I approve that message, I don't approve that message,
00:44:25.720 you're not a neutral platform anymore, you are a publisher.
00:44:28.820 And that's how YouTube, Google, Facebook, Twitter, all these companies are acting right now.
00:44:32.740 They should no longer have the immunity for their publications since they're making those decisions.
00:44:38.020 That's a theory I believe in.
00:44:39.760 If you're not going to be neutral like a phone booth,
00:44:41.940 you don't get to be immune to the bad behavior of the people who are communicating on your platform.
00:44:47.520 All right, that's a subject for another show.
00:44:49.380 Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, see you at home.
00:44:52.780 Hey, keep fighting for freedom while you still can.
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