Rebel News Podcast - Paul Wells' interview with Trudeau wasn't journalism — “It was stenography”

00:00:00.000 Tonight, I've got to show you two new clips of Justin Trudeau. They're unbelievable.

00:00:04.540 It's September 18th, and you're watching The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:00:12.840 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:00:16.600 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:00:20.320 You come here once a year with a sign, and you feel morally superior.

00:00:23.660 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it

00:00:27.300 is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:00:30.000 I want to show you a couple of new video clips of Justin Trudeau.

00:00:36.580 They say a lot about him.

00:00:38.340 One is the most impenetrable word salad, just truly a work of art,

00:00:43.020 just a weird fog machine of language,

00:00:45.800 when he's asked about sexually assaulting a female reporter a few years back

00:00:49.860 that he did in Creston, B.C.

00:00:52.300 The other clip is how he sort of chuckles at the murder of Marissa Shen.

00:00:56.720 He's not laughing in glee, but he chortles as he talks about it.

00:00:59.920 It's weird.

00:01:01.340 He brushes off the fact that he talks like this.

00:01:04.980 Brushes off the fact that he approved the accused murderer coming here from Syria as a refugee. 0.97

00:01:09.880 I'll show you both these clips in a moment.

00:01:11.760 But that's not all these clips show.

00:01:14.500 Because the absolute passive subservience of the media party journalist,

00:01:19.300 who asked him the questions and accepted those answers,

00:01:22.600 is something to behold.

00:01:23.760 And I think it is the root of the problem.

00:01:25.800 And by that I mean for three years as prime minister,

00:01:28.160 and for a few years before that,

00:01:29.740 Justin Trudeau has simply not faced anything close

00:01:31.880 to a skeptical or critical or even independent media.

00:01:35.300 In the video clips I'll show you today,

00:01:37.380 Justin Trudeau makes appalling answers.

00:01:39.760 And Paul Wells, the liberal journalist who interviews him,

00:01:42.680 just lets it pass.

00:01:44.440 No follow-ups, no pressing for a clarification.

00:01:46.960 He just accepts it and expects the rest of us to accept it too.

00:01:50.360 I'm absolutely convinced that Justin Trudeau felt great about his answers

00:01:54.180 because they got him out of two troublesome issues,

00:01:56.980 the sexual assault against that female reporter

00:01:59.220 and his lack of concern for crimes committed by his Syrian refugees.

00:02:02.820 So he got through it.

00:02:04.240 But I think Trudeau thought he was convincing.

00:02:06.960 And maybe he's right that he was convincing

00:02:09.640 because, of course, he was convincing to the media.

00:02:12.740 So that must mean he's correct. 0.83

00:02:14.820 I mean, the media is a tough crowd, right?

00:02:17.600 Well, no.

00:02:18.420 And it's this coddling and protecting of Trudeau

00:02:20.520 and Trudeau's cabinet ministers

00:02:22.000 that has insulated Trudeau and his team

00:02:24.360 from the consequences of his mistakes.

00:02:26.540 And that has relieved him of any pressure to correct those mistakes,

00:02:29.780 to correct his course when he's wrong.

00:02:31.040 Trudeau thinks he's fine because the media tells him he's fine.

00:02:35.080 So things continue awfully

00:02:36.940 until a disaster happens like the disaster

00:02:39.540 we've suddenly found ourselves in

00:02:41.020 in the case of the NAFTA negotiations with the United States

00:02:43.840 because it literally has never dawned on the Canadian media party

00:02:46.700 that Trudeau was anything other than a saint and a genius.

00:02:49.840 Remember this clip?

00:02:50.860 We showed you this journalist called Reshmi Nair.

00:02:54.180 She's on the state broadcaster, the CBC.

00:02:56.760 She wasn't angry when an American Republican professor

00:03:00.240 pointed out that Chrystia Freeland had screwed things up with NAFTA. 0.99

00:03:03.560 She wasn't angry.

00:03:04.200 She was just stunned.

00:03:06.340 She had never heard that point of view before, ever.

00:03:09.700 She's just never even thought the thought thinkable before.

00:03:13.820 Remember this?

00:03:14.780 The point of my article was,

00:03:16.920 what in heaven's name were the Canadians thinking of in all of this?

00:03:21.140 I mean, they decided that really what was important here

00:03:24.580 was things like gender equity and not the auto trade. 1.00

00:03:28.460 And they sent down Chrystia Freeland to negotiate. 0.98

00:03:32.140 And she went out of her way to convey her contempt for Trump.

00:03:35.640 And that just struck me as about the stupidest thing you could do.

00:03:39.400 Unless, of course, you would be just as happy to see the whole thing fail.

00:03:44.980 Convey her...

00:03:45.660 Sorry, can you give that to me again?

00:03:47.880 What example do you have of the minister expressing her views on Donald Trump?

00:03:52.540 That's my point.

00:03:53.640 The Canadian media party says Trudeau's amazing

00:03:56.740 and they think Chrystia Freeland is amazing.

00:03:59.600 I mean, you saw the reaction by the Fancy Pants establishment 0.98

00:04:02.720 in Toronto earlier this month

00:04:04.380 when Chrystia Freeland attempted a crazy anti-Trump rally.

00:04:08.360 If that's all the feedback you get,

00:04:30.580 if you're surrounded by flatterers, 1.00

00:04:33.940 you're not getting the real deal.

00:04:35.720 You're not getting the real news.

00:04:36.740 There's an apocryphal story.

00:04:38.120 I don't know if it's actually true.

00:04:40.380 That Roman emperors back in the day had a slave 1.00

00:04:43.140 whose job was to whisper in their ear

00:04:45.520 a reminder that they were mere mortals, not gods,

00:04:49.240 to help keep them grounded.

00:04:52.140 In the royal courts of medieval times,

00:04:54.200 the court fool, the court jester, 0.69

00:04:56.000 wasn't just for laughs.

00:04:57.500 He had a very important duty,

00:05:00.060 a duty of mocking the king,

00:05:03.580 attacking the king in the guise of humor

00:05:05.840 as a corrective to all the flattery

00:05:09.440 that the courtiers would heap on him.

00:05:11.060 The jester had a sort of political immunity

00:05:13.500 for speaking truth to power in the form of comedy.

00:05:16.220 Who does that in Canada? 0.92

00:05:19.880 Whenever anyone says a critical word about Justin Trudeau,

00:05:22.700 a prime minister, a G7 leader,

00:05:24.180 he should be able to take it.

00:05:25.440 The media's reaction is to say,

00:05:27.200 stop bullying him!

00:05:30.060 As if he's a child.

00:05:31.560 Remember this clip from a decade ago?

00:05:33.100 Leave Britney alone! 1.00

00:05:37.000 Please!

00:05:40.560 That was some fanboy defending Britney Spears.

00:05:44.640 Stop being mean to Britney!

00:05:46.640 But really, how different is it from this,

00:05:50.660 where Justin Trudeau's mom told me,

00:05:52.960 stop bullying my baby boy!

00:05:57.820 The don't be mean to me card

00:05:59.940 is played by all the token affirmative action

00:06:02.460 women in Trudeau's cabinet to,

00:06:03.860 especially by the serial whiner,

00:06:05.600 Catherine McKenna, the carbon tax lady,

00:06:07.460 who calls any criticism bullying,

00:06:09.080 don't bully me!

00:06:10.620 Of course, that's Trump by Ikra Khalid

00:06:12.680 and the rest of the Muslim extremists 1.00

00:06:14.600 in Trudeau's circle,

00:06:15.680 who call any criticism of them Islamophobia.

00:06:18.500 My point is,

00:06:19.140 we don't have any real journalistic criticism

00:06:21.160 of the government.

00:06:22.660 And they have no internal checks and balances.

00:06:24.920 They don't correct their own course.

00:06:26.120 So they never correct course at all

00:06:27.740 because they don't believe any criticism.

00:06:30.380 Justin Trudeau truly believes to this day

00:06:32.920 that his dancing trip to India

00:06:35.380 was a huge success.

00:06:37.280 He believes that.

00:06:39.620 Anyway, back to the news clips from Trudeau.

00:06:41.680 It's an interview with Trudeau

00:06:44.140 from last night by Paul Wells.

00:06:47.560 And Wells, you know,

00:06:48.440 he works for McLean's Magazine.

00:06:49.600 That's him there on the bottom right.

00:06:52.020 McLean's Magazine received $1.5 million

00:06:54.080 last year from Trudeau.

00:06:55.620 And Paul Wells also works for the CBC,

00:06:57.420 which received $1.5 billion

00:06:59.480 last year from Trudeau.

00:07:00.660 So you know it's going to be

00:07:01.620 a tough accountability interview.

00:07:03.640 I mean, as you saw in that picture there,

00:07:05.340 Paul Wells and Althea Raj

00:07:06.460 were just joking around with Trudeau.

00:07:08.780 Can you show that picture again,

00:07:10.340 the three of them,

00:07:11.080 just for a second?

00:07:12.920 That's, besides Paul Wells on the right,

00:07:15.060 that's Althea Raj,

00:07:16.220 who was with Huffington Post.

00:07:17.520 She's on the CBC.

00:07:18.420 That's Trudeau.

00:07:18.900 He sticks his tongue out.

00:07:21.140 What's that move?

00:07:22.080 Here's another picture of Trudeau

00:07:23.440 sticking his tongue out.

00:07:26.280 I don't get it.

00:07:28.340 It's like a baby's move or something.

00:07:30.720 He's a man-child.

00:07:31.540 You tell me.

00:07:32.120 What's with the tongue?

00:07:33.700 Anyways, so Paul Wells sat down

00:07:35.200 with Trudeau

00:07:35.900 and asked him some tough questions.

00:07:38.980 Paul Wells can be tough.

00:07:40.180 He really can.

00:07:40.840 Here, watch this clip of him

00:07:41.840 just a couple days ago

00:07:42.700 on Trudeau's state broadcaster,

00:07:44.740 the CBC,

00:07:45.240 talking about Maxime Bernier,

00:07:47.140 the former conservative MP

00:07:48.420 who was starting his own party

00:07:49.560 called the People's Party.

00:07:50.680 Take a look at this.

00:07:52.320 Look, there's no part of his stance

00:07:53.840 on immigration and identity

00:07:54.960 that is libertarian.

00:07:56.220 He wants to lead a libertarian party

00:07:58.060 and he also wants to lead

00:07:58.980 an anti-immigrant party.

00:08:00.420 His supporters on Twitter

00:08:01.440 seem to be

00:08:02.140 that tiny Venn intersection

00:08:03.960 of people who think

00:08:04.740 it's great that Donald Trump

00:08:06.040 is the president of the United States

00:08:07.500 and people who think

00:08:08.700 that Maxime Bernier

00:08:09.520 would be like Donald Trump.

00:08:11.860 You cannot have been paying

00:08:14.260 much attention to Max Bernier

00:08:15.380 over the last 20 years

00:08:16.700 to entertain that fantasy very far.

00:08:19.400 So basically,

00:08:20.720 his voter base right now

00:08:22.380 is the stupidest people

00:08:23.860 on Twitter.

00:08:25.240 And so we'll see how far

00:08:26.720 that gets him.

00:08:28.960 No comment.

00:08:32.620 I call them stupid.

00:08:36.940 They're so stupid.

00:08:40.240 And he chortles at his own joke

00:08:41.920 because it's quite clever

00:08:42.960 and witty

00:08:43.740 to call someone

00:08:44.860 that's so stupid.

00:08:47.960 It's not even a joke.

00:08:49.920 He's just sort of laughing

00:08:51.000 because he says it

00:08:51.940 and he knows it's rude

00:08:53.660 and shocking

00:08:54.240 and he knows

00:08:55.040 the CBC won't mind

00:08:56.760 and he'll get paid

00:08:57.940 his $500

00:08:58.500 for that eight minute appearance

00:08:59.840 or whatever he gets

00:09:00.700 for eight minutes

00:09:01.840 on the CBC.

00:09:02.580 And you heard the CBC host.

00:09:04.100 She didn't rebut him

00:09:04.980 or challenge him

00:09:05.620 or even ask him

00:09:06.520 if he meant it seriously,

00:09:07.480 let alone say

00:09:08.500 is that inappropriate.

00:09:09.280 She just let it roll.

00:09:11.480 Do you think

00:09:11.760 she would have done the same

00:09:12.840 had he gone after Trudeau

00:09:14.680 in a stupid, 0.64

00:09:15.600 in a similar manner

00:09:16.460 by calling him stupid?

00:09:18.060 That's the real joke.

00:09:19.080 Paul Wells would rather go

00:09:20.300 after Trudeau

00:09:21.700 in that manner

00:09:23.920 precisely once

00:09:25.280 on the CBC.

00:09:26.580 If he were to do that,

00:09:28.000 if he were to go on

00:09:29.000 after Trudeau

00:09:29.640 in that same way,

00:09:30.480 it would happen once

00:09:31.380 because then he would

00:09:32.560 never be invited back

00:09:33.740 on the CBC.

00:09:34.420 Do you doubt it?

00:09:35.080 Do you doubt it?

00:09:36.580 It's not just that

00:09:37.360 Wells sucks up to Trudeau.

00:09:38.460 It's that he's so

00:09:39.040 eager to disparage

00:09:40.520 and put down Conservatives,

00:09:41.700 but not fancy Conservatives.

00:09:43.300 Only the grassroots,

00:09:44.260 only the little people.

00:09:45.080 I think he's got

00:09:45.880 little man syndrome.

00:09:46.680 He's short.

00:09:47.580 He was born in small town

00:09:48.640 Sarnia, Ontario.

00:09:49.500 He never really was

00:09:50.060 one of the cool kids.

00:09:51.240 And I think he's got

00:09:51.840 such a weird inferiority complex

00:09:53.340 in fancy circles in Ottawa.

00:09:54.900 He makes up for it

00:09:55.840 by putting down

00:09:56.600 anything grassroots

00:09:57.540 or blue collar.

00:09:58.960 It clouds his judgment.

00:10:00.080 I mean,

00:10:00.560 look at this tweet

00:10:01.360 by him here.

00:10:03.400 Just so we're clear here,

00:10:04.940 there's no chance

00:10:05.700 Doug Ford will lead

00:10:06.460 the Ontario Conservatives.

00:10:08.540 Suspense now is over

00:10:09.500 whether he realizes

00:10:10.340 he's so stupid.

00:10:13.420 That's like the New York Times

00:10:14.360 saying Hillary Clinton

00:10:15.140 had a 98% chance of winning

00:10:16.600 two weeks before

00:10:17.600 Donald Trump won.

00:10:18.400 It's not an observation

00:10:19.300 and it's not even

00:10:20.520 a genuine prediction.

00:10:21.400 It is a hope.

00:10:22.380 It is a willful blindness.

00:10:23.860 It's more a test

00:10:24.520 of his own state of mind

00:10:25.640 than a measure

00:10:26.020 of the public state of mind,

00:10:26.820 don't you think?

00:10:27.300 And he calls you stupid.

00:10:29.080 So that's Paul Wells.

00:10:30.880 So last night,

00:10:32.220 this liberal partisan,

00:10:33.180 Paul Wells,

00:10:33.580 sat down with his boss,

00:10:34.360 Justin Trudeau,

00:10:34.940 and to his credit,

00:10:35.980 he asked a real question.

00:10:37.480 He asked it timidly

00:10:38.820 and vaguely,

00:10:39.740 but at least he raised

00:10:40.660 the subject

00:10:41.300 of Trudeau sexually assaulting

00:10:43.560 a female reporter

00:10:44.340 in Creston, B.C.

00:10:45.960 about 18 years ago.

00:10:47.460 Take a look.

00:10:48.420 Another question

00:10:49.440 following on a lot of

00:10:52.160 questions,

00:10:53.440 similar questions

00:10:54.000 from readers

00:10:54.460 about the Me Too movement.

00:10:56.600 This is a reader

00:10:57.480 named Sabrina S.

00:10:58.720 She wants to know

00:10:59.300 how the prime minister

00:11:00.000 reconciles his past

00:11:01.180 groping experience

00:11:02.240 with his self-branding

00:11:03.820 and bragging

00:11:04.380 as a feminist.

00:11:05.720 Should or would

00:11:06.540 one cancel out the other

00:11:08.020 or can the two coexist?

00:11:09.700 I think,

00:11:10.400 first of all,

00:11:11.380 we have to understand

00:11:12.420 that there is

00:11:14.360 a massive shift

00:11:15.200 going on

00:11:15.900 in our society

00:11:17.740 and our workplaces

00:11:18.760 and important conversations

00:11:20.600 that are really,

00:11:21.960 really long overdue.

00:11:23.760 Understanding that

00:11:25.300 someone can experience

00:11:27.100 an interaction

00:11:27.880 very differently

00:11:29.140 from another person

00:11:30.780 and giving weight

00:11:32.140 and credence

00:11:33.720 and support

00:11:34.820 to anyone

00:11:35.300 who comes forward

00:11:35.980 to share those stories

00:11:36.880 and those experiences

00:11:38.180 is extremely important.

00:11:40.140 And how we listen

00:11:42.980 and how we learn

00:11:44.240 and how we grow

00:11:44.920 as a society

00:11:45.660 is absolutely essential.

00:11:47.460 So I will always,

00:11:51.520 as I did,

00:11:52.520 make space

00:11:53.200 for people

00:11:55.160 to come forward

00:11:55.960 and not seek

00:11:57.920 to shut them down

00:11:59.440 or contradict them

00:12:01.580 but to support them.

00:12:03.480 And it's difficult

00:12:04.800 but there's a lot

00:12:06.300 of difficult conversations

00:12:07.320 we have to have

00:12:08.280 and if leaders

00:12:10.860 can be part of

00:12:11.900 modeling

00:12:12.660 the path forward

00:12:15.140 of being thoughtful

00:12:16.500 and supportive,

00:12:18.060 then all the better for it.

00:12:22.400 What did Trudeau

00:12:24.140 even say there?

00:12:25.480 What did that even mean?

00:12:27.840 It's extremely important

00:12:29.680 that his accuser

00:12:30.500 came forward

00:12:31.160 and he makes space

00:12:33.320 for people

00:12:33.880 to come forward

00:12:34.600 and not seek

00:12:35.560 to shut them down

00:12:36.240 or contradict them

00:12:36.960 and to support them?

00:12:38.020 What does that mean?

00:12:39.500 So he supports

00:12:40.500 the woman he groped

00:12:41.800 or he would support her

00:12:43.520 and he's being thoughtful

00:12:44.960 and supportive?

00:12:46.740 What does that mean?

00:12:48.800 And that's it.

00:12:49.580 That's all he has to say.

00:12:51.960 And Paul Wells

00:12:52.920 follows up with a question.

00:12:53.820 about Kent Hare,

00:12:55.680 another Liberal MP

00:12:56.620 accused of sexual misconduct.

00:12:58.680 Here's how that went.

00:13:00.360 One of your other MPs,

00:13:01.820 Kent Hare,

00:13:04.180 kicked out of Cabinet

00:13:06.080 over a series of allegations

00:13:07.880 and then this,

00:13:11.200 earlier this summer,

00:13:12.080 you were campaigning

00:13:12.980 for him in his writing.

00:13:14.580 How do you arbitrate

00:13:15.680 between these?

00:13:17.340 Well, I think,

00:13:18.440 first of all,

00:13:19.060 it's obvious

00:13:19.980 that, you know,

00:13:21.020 when I became leader

00:13:22.160 of the Liberal Party,

00:13:22.920 I didn't get

00:13:23.460 a book of instructions

00:13:25.260 handed down

00:13:25.860 by Wilfrid Laurier

00:13:26.740 on how to deal

00:13:27.540 with these situations.

00:13:29.080 These are new situations

00:13:31.220 that we have to go at

00:13:32.520 on a case-by-case basis

00:13:34.600 in a thoughtful way,

00:13:36.800 in a way that

00:13:38.300 really

00:13:39.560 tries to adjust

00:13:42.260 to

00:13:43.060 the fact that

00:13:45.900 people have been

00:13:48.640 marginalized

00:13:49.540 and taken advantage of

00:13:51.200 and not heard

00:13:52.200 for far too long,

00:13:54.340 and we are now

00:13:55.100 giving voice to those.

00:13:56.660 So we are trying

00:13:57.680 to deal with them

00:13:58.620 each as they come up

00:14:00.560 in the most thoughtful

00:14:01.540 way possible.

00:14:02.220 So people have been

00:14:06.420 marginalized

00:14:06.960 and taken advantage of

00:14:09.660 and not heard,

00:14:11.620 and we are giving voice

00:14:13.020 to those

00:14:13.660 by being thoughtful?

00:14:15.600 What?

00:14:17.260 So was he one

00:14:18.400 of the advantage-takers

00:14:19.500 or he is,

00:14:20.760 is he the,

00:14:22.980 and that's that.

00:14:24.160 It's over.

00:14:25.080 That fog,

00:14:25.760 that word salad,

00:14:26.560 that baffle gab.

00:14:27.600 George Orwell

00:14:28.160 called it duck speak,

00:14:30.120 saying things

00:14:30.640 very earnestly

00:14:31.260 that make no sense.

00:14:32.900 It cannot be deciphered.

00:14:34.120 But there's no follow-up.

00:14:35.760 There's no sharp question

00:14:36.880 like,

00:14:38.200 so did you grope her

00:14:39.640 or not?

00:14:40.620 Or,

00:14:41.840 is she lying?

00:14:42.880 Or,

00:14:43.960 if she's lying,

00:14:44.700 then why did you apologize?

00:14:45.980 Or,

00:14:47.440 anything.

00:14:48.000 I mean,

00:14:48.340 any question.

00:14:49.000 You don't have to be

00:14:49.500 a master

00:14:50.000 at cross-examination.

00:14:51.540 You have to be a lawyer

00:14:52.260 to pull the witness

00:14:54.040 back to the real question.

00:14:55.360 You don't even have

00:14:55.860 to be a journalist.

00:14:56.440 You just have to be

00:14:57.100 a curious person.

00:14:58.320 You could say,

00:14:58.940 what does that mean?

00:15:00.600 You could say,

00:15:01.440 are you saying

00:15:02.540 you are the hero

00:15:03.320 in this story?

00:15:04.780 Are you saying

00:15:05.480 your conduct

00:15:05.980 has actually been

00:15:06.540 part of the solution?

00:15:08.180 What?

00:15:09.480 Trudeau said,

00:15:10.220 it's difficult,

00:15:10.840 but there's a lot

00:15:11.340 of difficult conversations

00:15:12.500 we have to have.

00:15:13.120 Great.

00:15:13.440 So,

00:15:13.740 why don't you have

00:15:14.180 a little bit

00:15:14.500 of that difficult

00:15:14.880 conversation right there?

00:15:16.200 What did you do to her?

00:15:17.320 And do you think

00:15:17.800 it was wrong or not?

00:15:19.500 But Wells just let it go.

00:15:20.600 He let the bizarre

00:15:21.180 duck speak go

00:15:22.240 about Trudeau's own

00:15:23.260 molestation of a woman

00:15:24.940 that he admitted to

00:15:26.080 in a 2000 editorial.

00:15:27.400 And then Paul Wells

00:15:29.300 just let it go

00:15:30.580 with his hypocritical

00:15:32.560 support for Kent Hare.

00:15:33.660 Not even,

00:15:34.920 why did you kick out

00:15:35.720 other MPs for less

00:15:36.720 but let Kent Hare stay?

00:15:37.780 Or something like,

00:15:38.620 why did you launch

00:15:39.220 an independent investigation

00:15:40.200 into what your MPs did

00:15:41.780 but not one into yourself?

00:15:45.220 Well, it's obvious why.

00:15:46.080 Because that would make

00:15:46.880 the prints uncomfortable.

00:15:50.640 And it would mean

00:15:51.180 no more fun selfie moments

00:15:52.480 with Trudeau,

00:15:53.620 no more sit-down interviews

00:15:55.060 with Trudeau for Paul Wells.

00:15:57.340 Do you understand

00:15:58.260 anything Trudeau said there?

00:16:01.320 I do.

00:16:02.440 He said in a hundred words,

00:16:03.760 I'm not answering you,

00:16:04.860 I'm just using blather

00:16:05.860 and buzzwords

00:16:06.400 because I think your viewers

00:16:07.380 are dumb enough

00:16:08.200 to be hypnotized by that.

00:16:10.440 That's what he really said.

00:16:12.020 And he could be right.

00:16:13.600 I mean,

00:16:14.140 maybe Paul Wells' supporters

00:16:15.680 could be the stupidest people

00:16:17.720 on the internet,

00:16:18.440 not Maxine Bernier's.

00:16:19.560 But look at this question

00:16:20.920 and answer

00:16:21.400 about the murdered girl

00:16:22.640 in Vancouver,

00:16:23.720 Marissa Shen.

00:16:24.300 And this bothers me more.

00:16:25.980 Trudeau doesn't

00:16:27.180 have his fog machine

00:16:28.340 practiced on this one yet.

00:16:29.980 He hasn't been thinking

00:16:31.160 about this one

00:16:31.900 for months

00:16:32.600 or even 18 years.

00:16:33.960 He's a lot colder

00:16:35.040 in this one.

00:16:35.740 Take a look.

00:16:36.840 We've got a little bit

00:16:37.320 of time left.

00:16:37.940 I wanted to let

00:16:39.740 McLean's readers

00:16:40.940 have at you

00:16:42.060 because we got

00:16:42.540 a lot of interest

00:16:43.300 both in all the issues

00:16:45.160 that I've discussed

00:16:46.020 and in a few

00:16:46.640 that we haven't asked

00:16:47.400 about before.

00:16:48.560 And so I'm going

00:16:49.180 to pass along

00:16:49.680 a few questions

00:16:51.000 that came from

00:16:51.960 McLean's readers.

00:16:53.120 One is asking

00:16:55.440 what you have to say

00:16:56.280 about the arrest

00:16:57.240 in British Columbia

00:16:57.960 of Ibrahim Ali

00:16:59.260 who was a Syrian refugee

00:17:00.320 following the murder

00:17:01.660 of a teenage girl

00:17:02.580 named Marissa Shen.

00:17:03.400 Obviously it's devastating news

00:17:07.780 for her family,

00:17:09.240 for her friends.

00:17:09.980 It's a terrible tragedy.

00:17:11.240 Anytime someone is murdered

00:17:13.480 it's a terrible thing.

00:17:15.560 I trust our justice system.

00:17:17.440 I trust our system

00:17:19.000 to go through its processes

00:17:22.080 to both apply consequences

00:17:25.120 to this

00:17:25.700 and to make sure

00:17:27.540 that we're thinking

00:17:28.540 about how we continue

00:17:29.240 to keep people safe.

00:17:30.020 What was with those

00:17:33.320 little chuckles?

00:17:34.000 You know the ones?

00:17:36.000 Obviously

00:17:36.440 it's

00:17:37.300 someone who's murdered

00:17:38.980 it's a terrible thing.

00:17:42.020 That's not a happy laugh.

00:17:43.820 It's a scoffing laugh.

00:17:46.380 It's obvious where we stand.

00:17:48.120 Why would you even

00:17:48.920 ask such an impertinent question?

00:17:50.620 It's obvious where we stand.

00:17:52.160 That's what kind of laugh

00:17:52.840 that was.

00:17:54.360 So what's his answer?

00:17:55.160 He trusts the justice system

00:17:56.360 and he will continue

00:17:57.440 to keep people safe.

00:17:58.460 But our justice system 0.66

00:17:59.980 did not bring

00:18:00.740 the accused killer

00:18:01.460 into Canada.

00:18:02.260 The immigration system

00:18:03.420 did that.

00:18:04.280 The justice system

00:18:05.160 can't keep people safe.

00:18:06.980 Prosecutors in prisons

00:18:07.920 are only called in

00:18:08.640 after someone is murdered.

00:18:10.440 They didn't keep

00:18:11.380 Marissa Shen safe.

00:18:14.640 Trudeau pushed this off

00:18:15.620 on anybody but himself.

00:18:17.860 Paul Wells asked

00:18:18.600 a simple enough

00:18:19.340 follow-up question,

00:18:20.180 this one.

00:18:21.040 A lot of people say that,

00:18:22.280 some people say that,

00:18:23.560 if it hadn't been

00:18:24.540 for the surge

00:18:25.000 in Syrian refugees

00:18:25.700 after the 2015 election,

00:18:27.120 guys like this guy

00:18:28.880 would not be here.

00:18:32.320 I'm not one of those people

00:18:33.440 who says that.

00:18:36.080 Another smirk.

00:18:37.500 I'm not one of those people.

00:18:39.940 Well, it is a simple fact

00:18:41.180 that Trudeau did bring in

00:18:42.140 this accused murderer

00:18:43.020 and however many other

00:18:44.620 criminals lurk

00:18:45.260 amongst the unvetted migrants 0.99

00:18:46.480 brought in from Syria

00:18:47.680 in great haste,

00:18:48.940 is simply saying,

00:18:50.060 I don't believe that.

00:18:51.760 Is that enough of an answer?

00:18:53.420 Politically, factually,

00:18:54.680 emotionally,

00:18:55.020 when a community is grieving,

00:18:56.560 is that enough of an answer?

00:18:57.620 Well, it was enough

00:18:58.420 of an answer for Paul Wells.

00:19:00.460 Look, this is a problem.

00:19:01.560 It's two problems.

00:19:02.960 The main problem

00:19:03.700 is that we have a prime minister

00:19:04.660 who is shallow

00:19:05.280 and childish

00:19:06.040 and incompetent 0.76

00:19:07.140 in any court function

00:19:08.180 needed to actually govern.

00:19:10.060 His only skills

00:19:10.860 are skin deep,

00:19:11.660 his last name,

00:19:12.560 his preening for the media,

00:19:13.540 his glib manner.

00:19:14.700 That remains.

00:19:16.000 And it still works, I guess.

00:19:17.400 It still charms

00:19:18.420 some people, I guess.

00:19:20.040 Not everyone.

00:19:20.940 Yesterday, a liberal MP

00:19:21.820 crossed the floor

00:19:22.640 to the opposition conservatives.

00:19:24.120 That's not a direction

00:19:25.000 you normally see people

00:19:26.240 going in Parliament

00:19:27.440 from the government

00:19:28.340 to the opposition.

00:19:29.480 Just three years

00:19:30.260 into a mandate,

00:19:31.400 that MP, Leona Alislev,

00:19:33.640 doesn't seem to be enthralled

00:19:35.180 by the same Trudeau charm anymore.

00:19:38.520 The angry Chinese-Canadian 1.00

00:19:40.320 protesters in Vancouver

00:19:41.700 with their anti-Trudeau signs,

00:19:43.440 they didn't seem

00:19:44.120 to be charmed anymore.

00:19:46.160 The U.S. trade negotiators

00:19:47.500 are no longer charmed

00:19:48.380 by Trudeau or Christy Freeland,

00:19:50.020 but the media are.

00:19:53.680 That wasn't an interview

00:19:54.940 by Paul Wells.

00:19:55.800 It wasn't a real interview.

00:19:57.260 It was fake news.

00:19:58.700 Lobbying softly phrased questions

00:20:00.580 to the prime minister

00:20:01.540 and then letting him skate away

00:20:03.460 by saying simply,

00:20:04.140 well, that's not my view.

00:20:05.820 I'm sorry,

00:20:06.100 that's not an actual interview.

00:20:07.300 That's stenography.

00:20:08.880 That's PR.

00:20:09.900 And that's at least

00:20:11.780 as big a problem

00:20:12.600 as Trudeau's own

00:20:14.320 disastrous government.

00:20:16.740 Stay with us for more.

00:20:17.540 Well, our next guest

00:20:35.240 is a bit unusual

00:20:35.920 in his style

00:20:36.980 and in his name

00:20:38.160 and in his background,

00:20:39.220 but he's one of the most

00:20:40.320 eloquent defenders

00:20:41.120 of free speech

00:20:41.680 you'll ever meet.

00:20:42.600 His name is Mark Meakin,

00:20:43.560 but he goes by

00:20:44.620 the funny online nickname

00:20:46.380 Count Dankula. 0.84

00:20:48.440 He's very alternative,

00:20:49.640 even down to his

00:20:50.340 tattoos and piercings.

00:20:51.720 He doesn't look like

00:20:52.440 your typical political

00:20:53.920 activist for freedom.

00:20:55.480 Or maybe he does.

00:20:56.360 I don't know these days.

00:20:58.120 A couple of years back,

00:20:59.000 Meakin played a practical joke

00:21:00.320 on his girlfriend.

00:21:01.660 My girlfriend

00:21:02.680 is always ranting and raving

00:21:04.600 about how cute

00:21:05.620 and adorable

00:21:06.440 her wee dog is.

00:21:08.240 And so I thought

00:21:09.340 I would turn him

00:21:09.900 into the least cute thing

00:21:11.300 that I could think of,

00:21:12.720 which is a Nazi.

00:21:14.260 Sieg Heil.

00:21:16.320 Sieg Heil.

00:21:18.320 Who's a good wee Nazi? 0.92

00:21:20.100 Well, he did just that.

00:21:22.060 Obviously, it was a joke.

00:21:23.400 A weird joke.

00:21:24.240 A risque joke.

00:21:25.040 A joke you can find

00:21:26.340 funny or unfunny.

00:21:27.500 It's up to you.

00:21:28.220 But you have to know

00:21:29.120 that was a joke.

00:21:30.860 Meakin's not a Nazi

00:21:31.900 and neither is

00:21:33.400 his girlfriend's dog.

00:21:34.640 Dogs can't be Nazis,

00:21:36.860 actually.

00:21:37.620 But Meakin was prosecuted

00:21:39.320 for that video

00:21:39.920 and convicted

00:21:40.720 and sentenced

00:21:41.580 to an £800 fine

00:21:43.900 because apparently

00:21:45.020 the UK has solved

00:21:45.920 the rest of its crime spree

00:21:47.180 ranging from

00:21:48.120 acid attacks

00:21:48.820 to outright terror bombing

00:21:50.020 so they can go after

00:21:50.900 goofy practical joke videos

00:21:52.900 that they don't think

00:21:53.640 are funny.

00:21:55.180 Well, Meakin has become

00:21:56.000 a bit of a free speech

00:21:56.780 crusader since then.

00:21:58.060 Here he is speaking

00:21:59.000 at a Day for Freedom rally

00:22:00.920 in London

00:22:02.000 earlier this year.

00:22:02.860 In the aftermath

00:22:03.880 of what happened

00:22:04.700 I've decided to keep

00:22:05.740 fighting to protect

00:22:06.580 free speech

00:22:07.220 because after seeing

00:22:08.160 my mother repeatedly

00:22:09.180 crying at the fact

00:22:10.380 that her son could

00:22:11.140 get sent to prison

00:22:12.000 just because he hurts

00:22:13.460 some people's feelings

00:22:14.600 that was more than

00:22:16.240 enough for me

00:22:16.840 to want to make sure

00:22:17.680 that what happened

00:22:18.460 to me doesn't happen

00:22:19.700 to anyone else.

00:22:26.400 And because I want

00:22:27.600 to protect free speech

00:22:28.800 I have been branded

00:22:29.840 a racist, a Nazi 0.70

00:22:31.080 and a white supremacist

00:22:32.700 and that I am part

00:22:34.240 of the alt-right

00:22:34.980 to set the record straight

00:22:36.720 I reject any notion

00:22:38.940 of superiority

00:22:39.700 or inferiority

00:22:41.280 based on race

00:22:42.560 I reject the idea

00:22:44.580 of an ethno-state

00:22:45.700 if you want to live here

00:22:47.120 in peace

00:22:47.860 and not only respect

00:22:49.060 the freedom of others

00:22:49.980 but fight to protect

00:22:51.140 the freedom of others

00:22:52.000 then you are welcome

00:22:53.000 in this country.

00:22:54.440 Well, I saw that speech

00:22:56.260 it was amazing

00:22:56.740 and I saw in the news

00:22:57.980 more recently

00:22:58.720 that the European Union

00:23:00.240 is considering

00:23:00.980 banning what are called

00:23:02.220 memes.

00:23:03.480 Now, memes are those

00:23:04.200 little shareable

00:23:04.800 funny images

00:23:05.560 with a few keywords

00:23:06.960 on them

00:23:07.400 and a funny picture

00:23:08.020 that are fun to post

00:23:10.220 on Facebook or Twitter

00:23:11.180 or other social media.

00:23:12.080 They would literally

00:23:12.860 ban memes

00:23:14.800 this Article 13

00:23:16.140 of the European Union's

00:23:17.520 new proposals

00:23:18.300 and sharing memes

00:23:20.100 in the name of

00:23:20.780 copyright theft

00:23:21.880 that would be banned.

00:23:23.580 Well, that couldn't be

00:23:24.640 twisted for censorship

00:23:25.800 reasons, could it?

00:23:27.400 And joining us now

00:23:28.620 live via Skype

00:23:29.800 from near Glasgow, Scotland

00:23:30.980 is Mark Meek

00:23:32.240 and welcome to the show

00:23:32.940 nice to have you here

00:23:33.760 we're fans of your

00:23:35.300 free speech crusade

00:23:36.980 and it's nice to have you

00:23:37.960 on the program.

00:23:39.340 Thanks very much, man

00:23:40.180 it's good to be here.

00:23:41.040 Well, thank you for the time.

00:23:42.860 I thought you were

00:23:43.820 the guy to talk to

00:23:44.680 because this new proposal

00:23:47.040 by the European Union

00:23:48.420 called Article 13

00:23:49.980 there may be some

00:23:52.040 noble public policy goal

00:23:54.040 underneath it

00:23:54.860 to reward content creators

00:23:56.680 with the fruits of their labor.

00:23:58.300 I get that

00:23:58.860 as a content creator

00:23:59.720 I bet you do too

00:24:00.640 but it sounds like

00:24:02.120 it could be abused

00:24:03.200 to go after anyone

00:24:04.840 who posts a funny image

00:24:06.360 like it could be

00:24:08.560 writ large

00:24:09.920 the same malicious prosecution

00:24:11.920 you underwent

00:24:13.060 for your YouTube video

00:24:16.300 that could theoretically

00:24:18.180 happen to anyone

00:24:19.580 who shares something

00:24:20.420 on Facebook or Twitter

00:24:21.940 am I overstating things?

00:24:24.060 Well, at the moment

00:24:24.820 they're saying that

00:24:25.560 it's going to be used

00:24:26.140 for copyright

00:24:26.760 but I guarantee you

00:24:29.300 in the future

00:24:29.820 it's going to be used

00:24:30.600 for things like speech

00:24:31.580 that is, you know

00:24:33.060 if something is offensive

00:24:34.600 and, you know

00:24:35.460 even if it's just a joke

00:24:36.840 that's a little bit too edgy

00:24:38.480 then things like that

00:24:40.340 they're going to be subject

00:24:41.160 to these exact same restrictions

00:24:42.500 right now

00:24:43.020 it's starting with copyright

00:24:44.020 but I promise you

00:24:44.980 in the next few years

00:24:45.840 it's just going to be used

00:24:46.800 for all kinds of speech

00:24:48.260 that they don't approve of.

00:24:49.980 You know, one way

00:24:50.860 of looking at it

00:24:51.580 is that anyone

00:24:52.680 on the internet

00:24:53.740 almost no matter

00:24:55.420 what you say or do

00:24:56.780 would break this rule

00:24:58.580 so we're all guilty

00:25:00.280 under this rule

00:25:01.260 and then it just comes down

00:25:02.760 to who do they choose

00:25:04.100 to charge

00:25:04.620 because every one of us

00:25:06.680 retweets

00:25:07.440 or shares something

00:25:08.420 on Facebook

00:25:09.120 so as you say

00:25:11.280 who they go after

00:25:12.780 eventually

00:25:14.000 of course it will be

00:25:15.480 a political tool

00:25:16.500 of course it will be

00:25:17.380 a censorship tool

00:25:18.220 even if it doesn't

00:25:19.240 start off that way

00:25:20.100 because that's the way

00:25:21.020 to get anyone

00:25:21.620 isn't it?

00:25:22.840 Well the way

00:25:23.640 that they're doing it

00:25:24.200 as well is

00:25:24.700 it's not going to be

00:25:25.420 the end user

00:25:26.500 like me

00:25:27.480 it's not going to be

00:25:28.140 the user

00:25:28.680 it's going to be

00:25:29.280 the platforms

00:25:30.060 that get punished

00:25:30.880 so basically

00:25:31.840 even if we get angry

00:25:33.160 about our content

00:25:34.080 being removed

00:25:34.980 we're going to be

00:25:35.940 screaming and screeching

00:25:37.080 at the platforms

00:25:38.080 when it's not actually

00:25:39.620 their fault

00:25:40.280 they just have to comply

00:25:41.820 with this legislation

00:25:43.320 so basically

00:25:44.720 it's the EU

00:25:45.500 that have done it

00:25:46.560 but it's the platforms

00:25:47.780 themselves

00:25:48.300 that are going to get

00:25:49.080 the brunt of the blame

00:25:49.900 When you say

00:25:51.200 the platforms

00:25:51.780 you're referring to

00:25:52.680 YouTube and Twitter

00:25:53.680 and Facebook

00:25:54.240 the places

00:25:54.900 these electronic

00:25:56.680 digital town squares

00:25:58.180 as I've heard

00:25:58.920 others refer to them

00:26:00.040 that's a phrase

00:26:01.060 that Jack Dorsey

00:26:01.760 of Twitter uses

00:26:02.480 I think though

00:26:04.340 you're right

00:26:05.480 it's the government

00:26:06.320 behind it

00:26:06.980 but I think

00:26:07.680 that the companies

00:26:08.500 are only too happy

00:26:10.480 to do the bidding

00:26:12.200 of governments

00:26:13.100 I think there's a lot

00:26:13.840 of log rolling

00:26:15.160 a lot of

00:26:15.880 favors exchanged

00:26:17.640 YouTube

00:26:18.500 Facebook

00:26:19.320 Twitter

00:26:19.780 do a favor

00:26:21.320 for the government

00:26:22.100 and in return

00:26:22.820 the government

00:26:23.260 maybe goes easy

00:26:24.460 on them

00:26:24.820 for their tax

00:26:25.500 structures

00:26:26.060 for other things

00:26:28.720 I mean

00:26:29.080 I sense that

00:26:30.520 while

00:26:31.280 these companies

00:26:32.620 claim to be independent

00:26:33.680 they actually love

00:26:34.500 doing business

00:26:35.160 with governments

00:26:35.800 especially authoritarian

00:26:36.920 governments

00:26:37.740 people

00:26:38.340 see the EU

00:26:41.400 itself

00:26:42.120 the legislation

00:26:43.360 that gets

00:26:43.900 proposed

00:26:45.020 to the EU

00:26:46.100 comes from

00:26:47.200 big tech

00:26:47.840 big corporations

00:26:48.680 and lobbying

00:26:49.320 groups that are

00:26:50.040 sponsored by them

00:26:50.940 basically if any

00:26:52.020 of these big

00:26:52.440 corporations

00:26:52.940 want legislation

00:26:53.860 to get put

00:26:54.460 through

00:26:54.740 then they can

00:26:55.500 go forward

00:26:55.960 and propose it

00:26:56.780 and it will get

00:26:57.220 put through

00:26:57.800 and I think

00:26:58.580 that big tech

00:26:59.580 obviously

00:27:00.020 might end up

00:27:00.580 needing to pay

00:27:00.980 fines

00:27:01.360 they're going

00:27:01.660 to need to

00:27:01.980 adopt algorithms

00:27:03.120 and spend some

00:27:03.860 money to police

00:27:04.540 the platforms

00:27:05.200 better

00:27:05.560 but in the long

00:27:06.980 term

00:27:07.240 they win

00:27:08.220 because small

00:27:09.500 companies aren't

00:27:10.600 subject to the

00:27:11.400 legislation

00:27:11.920 but when they

00:27:12.820 reach a certain

00:27:13.560 size

00:27:14.120 then they are

00:27:15.320 subject to the

00:27:16.480 legislation

00:27:17.080 which means

00:27:17.640 that they'll

00:27:18.100 either

00:27:18.320 you know

00:27:18.880 they need to

00:27:19.300 adopt algorithms

00:27:20.200 there literally

00:27:20.880 is no way

00:27:21.420 to hire enough

00:27:22.140 staff

00:27:22.600 to monitor

00:27:23.620 the sheer amount

00:27:24.300 of content

00:27:24.820 that gets

00:27:25.180 posted online

00:27:26.180 so all that

00:27:27.180 happens is

00:27:27.840 small companies

00:27:28.880 need to stay

00:27:29.680 small

00:27:30.140 so they're not

00:27:31.100 subject to the

00:27:32.000 regulations

00:27:32.560 because they

00:27:33.220 simply can't

00:27:34.080 afford to

00:27:34.540 abide by them

00:27:35.320 or they

00:27:36.100 try and end

00:27:37.220 up just

00:27:37.540 getting completely

00:27:38.260 buried financially

00:27:39.380 which means

00:27:40.300 that the

00:27:40.800 big tech

00:27:41.460 that are

00:27:41.780 at the

00:27:42.180 top

00:27:42.520 their place

00:27:43.480 is now

00:27:43.820 secure

00:27:44.220 you know

00:27:45.080 they'll take

00:27:45.700 a little bit

00:27:46.220 of a hit

00:27:46.640 monetarily

00:27:47.460 but in the

00:27:48.260 long run

00:27:48.620 they benefit

00:27:49.240 because no

00:27:50.280 one's going

00:27:50.680 to be able

00:27:50.980 to compete

00:27:51.440 with them

00:27:51.860 now

00:27:52.120 that's a

00:27:52.860 very thoughtful

00:27:53.400 point of

00:27:53.840 view

00:27:53.940 the incumbents

00:27:55.020 will set up

00:27:56.340 barriers to

00:27:57.500 entry for

00:27:58.240 future competitors

00:27:59.100 they'll be

00:27:59.980 happy to have

00:28:01.240 this restriction

00:28:01.980 and as we

00:28:03.280 see with

00:28:03.740 Google

00:28:04.120 doing business

00:28:04.860 with China

00:28:05.240 I was reading

00:28:05.680 about

00:28:06.000 Sergei Brin

00:28:06.700 the founder

00:28:08.080 of Google

00:28:08.640 who left

00:28:10.040 the former

00:28:10.480 Soviet Union

00:28:11.020 when he was

00:28:11.440 a young child

00:28:12.200 with his family

00:28:13.360 they left in the

00:28:14.020 70s which was

00:28:14.720 very rare

00:28:15.340 very hard to do

00:28:16.280 and his family

00:28:17.580 took him out of

00:28:18.060 the Soviet Union

00:28:18.580 because it was

00:28:19.180 authoritarian

00:28:19.580 they wanted to be

00:28:20.320 free

00:28:20.580 and that instinct 0.63

00:28:22.180 of freedom

00:28:22.820 is what made

00:28:24.160 Google pull back

00:28:25.040 from China

00:28:25.720 the first time

00:28:27.120 around

00:28:27.500 but he's

00:28:28.380 overcome that

00:28:29.460 I guess maybe

00:28:30.080 50 billion dollars

00:28:31.540 in the bank

00:28:32.060 and the thought

00:28:32.520 of colonizing

00:28:33.260 China

00:28:34.240 overcame any

00:28:35.340 you know

00:28:36.420 pangs in his

00:28:37.280 conscience

00:28:37.680 so Google

00:28:38.640 is going back

00:28:39.300 into China

00:28:39.840 they're working

00:28:40.340 with the Chinese

00:28:40.960 dictatorship

00:28:41.500 on a search

00:28:42.740 engine

00:28:43.120 I bet

00:28:44.220 and I'd like

00:28:44.740 your thought

00:28:45.160 on this Mark

00:28:45.680 I bet

00:28:46.300 some of the

00:28:47.220 technology

00:28:48.300 the censorship

00:28:50.220 technology

00:28:51.080 the detection

00:28:51.820 technology

00:28:52.480 that Google

00:28:53.040 and others

00:28:54.040 are developing

00:28:55.060 to comply

00:28:56.180 with China's 0.91

00:28:57.160 censorship

00:28:57.780 is going

00:28:59.160 to be deployed

00:28:59.800 in what we

00:29:00.760 used to call

00:29:01.280 the free west

00:29:02.120 so instead

00:29:03.040 of our

00:29:04.180 freedom

00:29:04.840 being a virus

00:29:05.980 that infects

00:29:07.220 their

00:29:07.840 statist

00:29:08.780 authoritarian

00:29:09.340 system

00:29:10.000 it's the other

00:29:11.240 way

00:29:11.560 their authoritarian

00:29:13.000 surveillance state

00:29:14.460 will be the virus

00:29:15.280 that infects

00:29:16.680 us

00:29:17.020 that's

00:29:17.480 is that

00:29:18.320 an accurate

00:29:19.260 description

00:29:19.760 of what's

00:29:20.160 happening

00:29:20.480 I believe

00:29:21.500 it would be

00:29:22.000 I think

00:29:22.440 Google have

00:29:22.840 done it

00:29:23.180 because

00:29:23.480 they've just

00:29:23.880 basically

00:29:24.240 where is a

00:29:24.800 place where

00:29:25.360 we can test

00:29:26.200 this out

00:29:26.800 where we're

00:29:27.660 not going

00:29:28.040 to get yelled

00:29:28.680 at too much

00:29:29.600 because it's

00:29:30.180 considered the

00:29:30.920 norm

00:29:31.320 China

00:29:32.180 the best place

00:29:33.760 for them

00:29:34.000 to test

00:29:34.400 this out

00:29:34.840 so yeah

00:29:35.660 I would believe

00:29:36.660 that I reckon

00:29:37.360 that they're

00:29:37.660 basically going

00:29:38.200 over to China

00:29:38.720 to adopt

00:29:39.160 the same

00:29:39.500 policies

00:29:40.020 as China

00:29:40.960 and they're

00:29:41.240 going to go

00:29:41.660 oh no

00:29:42.360 we need to

00:29:42.940 comply with

00:29:43.420 the national

00:29:43.820 laws

00:29:44.200 you know

00:29:44.480 we don't

00:29:45.340 agree with

00:29:45.900 it but

00:29:46.200 we need

00:29:46.480 to comply

00:29:47.080 it's a

00:29:47.800 test

00:29:48.120 they're testing

00:29:49.420 their software

00:29:49.940 so that they

00:29:50.420 can apply

00:29:50.840 it to the

00:29:51.180 west

00:29:51.460 yeah

00:29:51.900 you know

00:29:52.780 I can't

00:29:54.340 remember which

00:29:54.780 Soviet dissident

00:29:55.580 it was

00:29:56.040 if it was

00:29:56.580 Solzhenitsyn

00:29:57.520 or someone

00:29:59.000 who said

00:29:59.540 that the

00:30:00.380 capitalists

00:30:01.000 in the west

00:30:01.620 will sell

00:30:02.900 the rope

00:30:03.980 by which

00:30:04.500 they are

00:30:04.860 hanged

00:30:05.380 as in

00:30:05.960 I'd have to

00:30:07.780 look up the

00:30:08.120 exact quote

00:30:08.560 but I think

00:30:08.880 you've probably

00:30:09.280 heard that one

00:30:09.920 before Mark

00:30:10.560 which is

00:30:11.380 you know

00:30:13.120 these

00:30:13.480 multi-billion

00:30:15.160 in some case

00:30:15.840 trillion dollar

00:30:16.560 companies

00:30:17.080 in Silicon

00:30:18.100 Valley

00:30:18.560 which is

00:30:19.080 in California

00:30:19.760 the freest

00:30:20.320 place in the

00:30:20.900 world

00:30:21.260 their lust

00:30:23.200 for that

00:30:23.960 Chinese market

00:30:24.800 their lust

00:30:26.100 to get

00:30:26.560 along

00:30:26.860 with the

00:30:27.200 governments

00:30:27.540 of the

00:30:27.820 EU

00:30:28.240 in a way

00:30:29.960 is planting

00:30:31.040 the seeds

00:30:31.700 of censorship

00:30:32.360 that would

00:30:32.780 strangle

00:30:33.400 the industry

00:30:34.800 itself

00:30:35.160 I mean

00:30:35.420 tech and

00:30:36.820 communications

00:30:37.320 technology

00:30:37.940 and social

00:30:38.360 media

00:30:38.700 is only

00:30:39.880 possible

00:30:40.340 with freedom

00:30:40.900 of speech

00:30:41.340 and freedom

00:30:41.800 of thought

00:30:43.220 really

00:30:43.540 but these

00:30:44.340 companies

00:30:44.820 would sell

00:30:46.200 their own

00:30:48.420 hangman

00:30:49.880 the noose

00:30:50.860 by which

00:30:51.260 they're

00:30:51.480 hung

00:30:51.700 that was

00:30:52.880 true

00:30:53.280 in the

00:30:53.800 Soviet

00:30:54.100 era

00:30:54.380 I think

00:30:54.700 it's

00:30:54.880 true

00:30:55.580 in the

00:30:56.220 Chinese

00:30:56.560 communist

00:30:56.980 era

00:30:57.200 too

00:30:57.420 don't you

00:30:57.720 think

00:30:57.900 yeah

00:30:59.160 it's not

00:31:01.160 a shocker

00:31:01.680 to me

00:31:01.980 I used

00:31:02.580 to be

00:31:02.820 surprised

00:31:03.200 by such

00:31:03.680 things

00:31:03.980 but see

00:31:04.380 how people

00:31:04.740 like this

00:31:05.100 basically

00:31:05.440 putting

00:31:05.780 morals

00:31:06.580 before

00:31:06.920 money

00:31:07.340 money

00:31:09.020 before

00:31:09.360 morals

00:31:09.840 should I

00:31:10.220 say

00:31:10.440 and then

00:31:11.260 it's a

00:31:11.540 case of

00:31:11.980 they don't

00:31:12.400 understand

00:31:12.960 the destructive

00:31:14.020 path

00:31:14.460 that they

00:31:14.800 are going

00:31:15.260 down

00:31:15.540 all they

00:31:16.100 can see

00:31:16.520 is the

00:31:16.800 dollar

00:31:17.020 signs

00:31:17.440 that's

00:31:18.380 all they

00:31:18.760 can see

00:31:19.220 even in

00:31:21.060 the EU

00:31:21.380 parliament

00:31:21.760 when

00:31:22.080 article

00:31:22.600 13

00:31:23.040 got voted

00:31:23.580 in

00:31:23.860 the people

00:31:24.960 we spoke

00:31:25.360 to

00:31:25.500 they didn't

00:31:25.780 even know

00:31:26.220 what they

00:31:26.420 were voting

00:31:26.780 for

00:31:27.180 we were

00:31:28.380 just sort

00:31:28.760 of like

00:31:29.080 do you

00:31:29.660 have any

00:31:30.140 idea

00:31:30.520 what you've

00:31:30.880 just done

00:31:31.320 and when

00:31:31.600 we explained

00:31:32.220 some of the

00:31:32.600 ramifications

00:31:33.180 of it

00:31:33.660 they seemed

00:31:34.420 shocked

00:31:35.440 even Axel

00:31:36.340 Voss

00:31:36.640 himself said

00:31:37.320 that he

00:31:37.600 was surprised

00:31:38.760 by what

00:31:39.520 was in

00:31:40.040 the legislation

00:31:41.220 that he

00:31:41.660 proposed

00:31:42.260 it's just

00:31:43.860 like these

00:31:45.180 are people

00:31:45.940 that have

00:31:46.220 no

00:31:46.360 understanding

00:31:46.820 or grasp

00:31:47.340 of the

00:31:47.580 internet

00:31:47.880 but they

00:31:48.680 want to

00:31:49.080 seek to

00:31:49.360 control it

00:31:49.940 above all

00:31:50.760 else

00:31:51.100 even if they

00:31:52.200 don't understand

00:31:52.820 its culture

00:31:53.340 well it's

00:31:53.980 incredible that

00:31:54.560 two years

00:31:55.000 after Brexit

00:31:55.920 the EU

00:31:56.820 is still

00:31:57.260 promulgating

00:31:57.860 laws that

00:31:58.400 will touch

00:31:58.740 you in

00:31:59.560 the United

00:31:59.920 Kingdom

00:32:00.260 can I ask

00:32:01.040 you about

00:32:01.280 your own

00:32:01.600 case

00:32:01.920 I mean

00:32:02.120 you fought

00:32:02.780 a bizarre

00:32:06.300 application

00:32:07.260 of a

00:32:08.780 censorship

00:32:09.860 law

00:32:10.380 they came

00:32:10.900 after you

00:32:11.240 in a

00:32:11.400 malicious

00:32:11.660 application

00:32:12.300 and I

00:32:12.900 think

00:32:13.120 that's why

00:32:13.880 you're so

00:32:15.720 good to talk

00:32:16.220 about this

00:32:16.620 because you

00:32:17.140 have been

00:32:17.740 there

00:32:18.080 when a

00:32:19.060 law that

00:32:19.480 maybe looked

00:32:20.040 reasonable

00:32:20.460 on the

00:32:20.800 books

00:32:21.120 was animated

00:32:23.340 by radical

00:32:25.320 social justice

00:32:26.280 warriors

00:32:26.640 and inflicted

00:32:28.140 on you

00:32:28.380 I think you

00:32:28.920 were kept

00:32:29.320 whole by

00:32:29.860 crowdfunding

00:32:30.640 and it

00:32:32.040 turned you

00:32:32.480 into a bit

00:32:32.960 of a warrior

00:32:33.460 I don't think

00:32:33.940 you had a

00:32:34.300 big profile

00:32:34.900 before

00:32:35.120 I mean

00:32:35.240 you had a

00:32:35.500 profile

00:32:35.800 but it

00:32:36.120 wasn't

00:32:36.500 big like

00:32:37.520 it is

00:32:37.780 now

00:32:37.980 can I

00:32:38.280 ask you

00:32:38.800 if you've

00:32:39.800 continued

00:32:40.300 your free

00:32:41.000 speech

00:32:41.320 fight

00:32:41.640 and if

00:32:41.940 so

00:32:42.180 how

00:32:42.640 since

00:32:43.580 your own

00:32:44.040 trial

00:32:44.340 ended

00:32:44.700 basically

00:32:46.600 spreading

00:32:46.980 awareness

00:32:47.260 in regards

00:32:47.700 to these

00:32:48.060 laws

00:32:48.460 obviously

00:32:49.620 the part

00:32:50.300 I was

00:32:50.540 convicted

00:32:50.900 under

00:32:51.160 was

00:32:51.420 section

00:32:51.980 127

00:32:52.520 of the

00:32:53.100 2003

00:32:53.740 communications

00:32:54.460 act

00:32:54.880 and it

00:32:55.080 was the

00:32:55.340 section

00:32:55.640 that says

00:32:56.180 an online

00:32:57.240 or public

00:32:57.760 posting

00:32:58.220 that is

00:32:58.700 grossly

00:32:59.740 offensive

00:33:00.280 and what

00:33:01.100 someone

00:33:01.520 might find

00:33:02.240 grossly

00:33:02.880 offensive

00:33:03.300 is

00:33:03.760 completely

00:33:04.260 subjective

00:33:04.900 you know

00:33:05.680 it's down

00:33:06.060 to the

00:33:06.280 individual

00:33:06.720 but

00:33:07.220 apparently

00:33:07.780 the courts

00:33:08.280 decided

00:33:09.180 that grossly 0.98

00:33:10.020 offensive

00:33:10.420 now has

00:33:11.180 a matter

00:33:11.820 of fact

00:33:12.340 set

00:33:12.620 definition

00:33:13.160 when it

00:33:13.820 absolutely

00:33:14.740 doesn't

00:33:15.160 and I was

00:33:15.500 still convicted

00:33:16.200 under it

00:33:16.700 but another

00:33:17.460 few things

00:33:18.080 I'm doing

00:33:18.440 as well

00:33:18.820 is I went

00:33:19.240 to the EU

00:33:19.860 recently

00:33:20.520 in the EU

00:33:21.100 parliament

00:33:21.520 to speak

00:33:22.000 about the

00:33:22.740 dangers

00:33:23.060 of article

00:33:23.500 13

00:33:23.920 basically

00:33:24.400 as baby

00:33:25.200 steps

00:33:25.620 towards

00:33:26.140 authoritarianism

00:33:27.100 you know

00:33:27.700 China

00:33:28.200 didn't happen

00:33:28.940 overnight

00:33:29.400 and also

00:33:30.260 I've joined

00:33:30.840 UKIP

00:33:31.720 the UK

00:33:32.120 independence

00:33:32.660 party

00:33:33.080 because

00:33:33.380 out of

00:33:33.820 all the

00:33:34.280 political

00:33:34.980 parties

00:33:35.440 in Britain

00:33:35.900 that have

00:33:36.360 any kind

00:33:37.100 of clout

00:33:37.580 UKIP

00:33:38.380 is the

00:33:39.020 only one

00:33:40.000 that cares

00:33:40.720 about freedom

00:33:41.260 of speech

00:33:41.740 all the

00:33:42.540 other parties

00:33:43.100 are seeking

00:33:43.500 to restrict

00:33:44.280 it

00:33:44.540 UKIP

00:33:45.240 are the

00:33:45.460 only party

00:33:46.040 that are

00:33:46.320 seeking

00:33:46.540 to protect

00:33:47.200 it

00:33:47.440 very interesting

00:33:49.380 well listen

00:33:49.860 it's a pleasure

00:33:50.360 to talk

00:33:50.740 with you

00:33:51.020 I could

00:33:51.780 listen to

00:33:52.180 that beautiful

00:33:52.620 Scottish

00:33:53.020 brogue

00:33:53.340 all day

00:33:53.720 long

00:33:54.200 I'm only

00:33:55.780 half joking

00:33:56.440 and as

00:33:58.180 I've told

00:33:58.580 our viewers

00:33:59.720 your speech

00:34:00.440 of the day

00:34:00.840 for freedom

00:34:01.460 was so powerful

00:34:03.320 and such a

00:34:03.840 clarion call

00:34:04.420 for free speech

00:34:05.120 it truly

00:34:05.840 struck me

00:34:06.400 it's nice

00:34:07.140 to meet you

00:34:07.700 and I hope

00:34:08.220 that you're

00:34:08.560 part of

00:34:09.080 the successful

00:34:10.500 pushback

00:34:11.100 against article

00:34:11.760 13

00:34:12.220 but I

00:34:12.800 remain a

00:34:13.720 pessimist

00:34:14.220 in this war

00:34:14.720 for freedom

00:34:15.120 against the

00:34:15.620 tech companies

00:34:16.140 it's just

00:34:17.240 a handful

00:34:17.820 of small

00:34:18.220 guys

00:34:18.480 like us

00:34:19.580 versus

00:34:20.240 these titans

00:34:21.020 of industry

00:34:22.280 let me ask

00:34:23.420 you in closing

00:34:24.020 are you an

00:34:24.500 optimist

00:34:24.940 or a pessimist

00:34:25.580 I'm a pessimist

00:34:27.000 what are you

00:34:28.560 I'm trying my

00:34:29.660 best to maintain

00:34:30.480 that we're going

00:34:30.900 to get the same

00:34:31.500 ending as David

00:34:32.300 versus Goliath

00:34:33.320 you know

00:34:34.140 we just need

00:34:35.060 a good stone

00:34:35.760 yeah

00:34:36.380 well from your

00:34:37.480 mouth to God's

00:34:38.060 ears

00:34:38.160 I like your

00:34:38.680 attitude

00:34:38.980 I like that

00:34:39.580 you've still

00:34:39.980 got lots of

00:34:40.620 fight in you

00:34:41.040 nice to meet

00:34:41.840 you Mark

00:34:42.180 good to have

00:34:42.560 you on the

00:34:42.820 show today

00:34:43.340 you too man

00:34:44.600 thanks very much

00:34:45.380 all right

00:34:45.780 there you have

00:34:46.200 it Mark

00:34:46.540 Meekin

00:34:46.980 joining us

00:34:48.140 via Skype

00:34:49.400 from his

00:34:51.160 home near

00:34:51.600 Glasgow

00:34:52.020 Scotland

00:34:52.680 stay with us

00:34:53.480 more ahead

00:34:54.320 on the

00:34:54.520 rebel

00:34:54.740 welcome back

00:35:06.560 well I am

00:35:06.960 delighted to

00:35:07.640 let you know

00:35:08.320 that we are

00:35:08.980 expanding the

00:35:10.520 team at the

00:35:11.320 rebel

00:35:11.560 we are having

00:35:12.480 a new

00:35:12.800 staffer join

00:35:13.640 us a

00:35:13.940 reporter

00:35:14.340 troublemaker

00:35:15.340 and all around

00:35:16.160 conservatives

00:35:16.680 name is

00:35:17.060 Kian Bexty

00:35:17.780 and he joins

00:35:18.700 us now in

00:35:19.420 studio

00:35:19.760 Kian welcome

00:35:20.220 to the show

00:35:20.620 thank you

00:35:21.220 well welcome

00:35:21.720 to the company

00:35:22.280 is what I

00:35:22.940 should say

00:35:23.580 you know

00:35:25.660 you're a very

00:35:26.180 mild mannered

00:35:26.960 fellow

00:35:27.200 very shy

00:35:28.020 but you're

00:35:29.280 not really shy

00:35:29.840 at all

00:35:30.040 you're a bit

00:35:30.360 of a troublemaker

00:35:30.840 aren't you

00:35:31.200 I get into

00:35:32.280 some trouble

00:35:32.840 I dabble

00:35:33.360 I would say

00:35:33.940 you're a trouble

00:35:34.580 dabbler

00:35:34.880 you dabble

00:35:36.080 in trouble

00:35:36.420 absolutely

00:35:37.060 well tell us

00:35:37.720 a little bit

00:35:37.980 about yourself

00:35:38.380 you live in

00:35:39.220 Vulcan Alberta

00:35:40.000 which is a

00:35:41.000 farming community

00:35:41.760 outside the city

00:35:43.240 you just graduated

00:35:44.420 from the University

00:35:45.160 of Calgary

00:35:45.620 what was your

00:35:46.040 degree in again

00:35:46.760 I was a

00:35:47.240 Bachelor of Science

00:35:47.840 in Energy Sciences

00:35:48.840 and Energy Economics

00:35:50.200 sounds like

00:35:51.000 Ethical Oil

00:35:51.460 is what you're

00:35:51.760 talking about

00:35:52.160 yeah absolutely

00:35:52.920 but surprisingly

00:35:54.460 the university

00:35:55.340 did not offer

00:35:56.340 a single class

00:35:57.320 on petroleum

00:35:58.700 extraction

00:35:59.220 or anything like

00:35:59.840 that

00:35:59.980 it was all

00:36:00.500 wind farms

00:36:01.900 solar panels

00:36:02.620 and dams

00:36:03.580 no

00:36:03.740 come on

00:36:04.620 the University

00:36:05.960 of Calgary

00:36:06.580 itself

00:36:07.160 did not talk

00:36:09.400 about oil

00:36:09.820 and gas

00:36:10.120 it talked

00:36:10.440 about wind

00:36:11.000 and solar

00:36:11.900 on the science

00:36:12.780 side of things

00:36:13.300 and on the econ

00:36:14.260 side of things

00:36:14.960 there was a few

00:36:15.880 courses on petroleum

00:36:16.960 economics

00:36:17.420 which were excellent

00:36:18.360 courses

00:36:18.800 the prof

00:36:20.040 teaching that one

00:36:20.820 was amazing

00:36:21.720 the econ department

00:36:22.840 is actually quite

00:36:23.460 great at the U of C

00:36:24.220 but you know

00:36:25.160 the science side

00:36:26.540 of it

00:36:26.780 not a word

00:36:28.160 of oil

00:36:28.560 was mentioned

00:36:29.040 that is embarrassing

00:36:31.240 to a university

00:36:32.540 headquartered in Calgary

00:36:33.620 I'm embarrassed

00:36:34.260 I'm an alumnus

00:36:34.980 I haven't been involved

00:36:36.020 in an alumnus

00:36:36.520 but I'm deeply embarrassed

00:36:37.400 alright let's put aside

00:36:38.120 that embarrassment

00:36:38.660 I can imagine

00:36:39.680 that what's

00:36:40.620 I can only imagine

00:36:41.720 I went to U of C

00:36:42.420 myself

00:36:42.880 way back in

00:36:44.340 the 20th century

00:36:45.140 is U of C

00:36:48.460 conservative at all

00:36:49.300 or is it more

00:36:49.800 politically correct

00:36:50.420 than ever

00:36:50.720 you know

00:36:52.400 I'd say

00:36:52.840 compared to the rest

00:36:53.460 of the country

00:36:53.940 we

00:36:54.660 at least

00:36:56.100 we're fighting back

00:36:57.040 the campus

00:36:58.000 conservative movement

00:36:58.720 there is

00:36:59.320 one of the largest

00:37:01.320 in the countries

00:37:01.980 but you know

00:37:03.020 there is

00:37:05.820 as is typical

00:37:07.560 in universities

00:37:08.140 there's an

00:37:09.000 overwhelming voice

00:37:10.140 of social justice

00:37:11.560 warriors

00:37:11.960 on campus

00:37:12.980 that are

00:37:14.060 louder than

00:37:14.640 everyone else

00:37:15.320 regardless of

00:37:15.900 their size

00:37:16.300 because they're

00:37:17.360 given a microphone

00:37:17.980 by the faculty

00:37:19.300 and by the university

00:37:20.620 it's hard to be

00:37:22.780 a conservative

00:37:23.160 on campus

00:37:23.700 these days

00:37:24.120 what's the state

00:37:24.880 of free speech

00:37:25.720 at U of C

00:37:26.380 I don't know

00:37:32.580 any instances

00:37:33.120 of there being

00:37:34.680 any attacks

00:37:36.260 on it

00:37:36.720 far better

00:37:38.740 at U of C

00:37:39.260 than anywhere

00:37:39.740 else

00:37:40.520 in the country

00:37:40.920 that's good to hear

00:37:41.520 now that's a little

00:37:42.980 bit of background

00:37:43.480 I think folks

00:37:44.060 would be curious

00:37:44.540 about that

00:37:44.920 I saw you

00:37:45.820 most recently

00:37:46.440 in Halifax

00:37:47.760 at the conservative

00:37:48.340 conference

00:37:48.760 of course we

00:37:49.440 at the rebel

00:37:49.780 were not permitted

00:37:50.400 in the inner sanctum

00:37:51.420 we wouldn't want

00:37:52.140 to muck it up

00:37:52.760 only approved

00:37:54.640 journalists

00:37:55.140 like the CBC

00:37:56.080 and the Globe and Mail

00:37:56.960 were allowed in there

00:37:57.780 you had an interesting

00:37:59.780 journalistic moment

00:38:00.640 I don't know

00:38:01.160 if it

00:38:01.500 I don't think

00:38:02.300 you probably

00:38:02.720 planned to

00:38:03.420 but you

00:38:04.080 managed to get

00:38:05.520 your hands

00:38:06.080 on a copy

00:38:06.680 of a secret

00:38:07.360 briefing book

00:38:08.380 by the dairy

00:38:09.720 lobby

00:38:10.260 which was the

00:38:11.040 key lobby group

00:38:11.900 that was really

00:38:12.480 controlling that

00:38:13.060 convention

00:38:13.380 tell us a bit

00:38:14.160 about that

00:38:14.720 so it was

00:38:16.980 it was almost

00:38:18.020 too good to be true

00:38:18.940 when we opened

00:38:19.940 the binder

00:38:20.400 and looked

00:38:21.680 and saw the blue

00:38:22.440 logo of the dairy

00:38:23.100 farmers of Canada

00:38:23.800 we thought it was a

00:38:24.740 joke at the start

00:38:25.520 because it was just

00:38:26.160 such a coincidence

00:38:26.860 that the folks

00:38:30.140 who found it

00:38:30.760 were no friends

00:38:32.860 of the cartel

00:38:33.460 but when we found

00:38:34.820 the binder

00:38:35.200 we just kind of

00:38:36.480 laughed

00:38:36.760 chuckled a little bit

00:38:37.620 and then we went

00:38:39.300 to dinner later

00:38:40.040 and you can see

00:38:41.260 in the picture

00:38:41.660 that's been circulated

00:38:42.940 widely

00:38:43.260 there's the appetizer

00:38:44.400 menu of what we

00:38:45.000 were ordering

00:38:45.400 at the time

00:38:45.940 and then we went

00:38:47.740 through it

00:38:48.020 and we saw that

00:38:48.680 well we sort of

00:38:50.820 surface scanned it

00:38:51.780 and then had dinner

00:38:52.860 and then we went

00:38:53.440 back and looked at it

00:38:54.840 and we saw

00:38:55.340 we found that line

00:38:56.280 that said that

00:38:56.940 Andrew Scheer

00:38:57.720 had been in fact

00:38:58.540 manipulated by

00:39:00.480 the cartel

00:39:01.500 to predetermine

00:39:03.880 the outcome

00:39:04.360 of the convention

00:39:05.580 it made the entire

00:39:06.700 convention

00:39:07.140 a complete waste

00:39:08.640 of money

00:39:08.860 I don't understand

00:39:09.940 how the CPC

00:39:11.100 is going to be able

00:39:11.800 to ask donors

00:39:14.240 for money

00:39:14.700 when so much

00:39:15.600 donor money

00:39:16.100 was spent

00:39:16.520 on putting

00:39:16.880 that convention

00:39:17.360 on

00:39:17.640 and flying people

00:39:18.920 from Victoria

00:39:20.120 to Halifax

00:39:20.860 when at the end

00:39:23.240 of the day

00:39:23.520 the only reason

00:39:24.700 we went there

00:39:25.400 was to watch

00:39:26.220 a fireside chat

00:39:27.060 with Andrew Scheer

00:39:28.220 no substantial votes

00:39:30.300 no votes

00:39:31.580 were substantial

00:39:32.280 at all

00:39:32.760 well you keep

00:39:33.460 talking like that

00:39:33.940 they'll ban you 0.82

00:39:34.480 from this convention

00:39:35.240 too

00:39:35.500 well

00:39:36.260 you'll be based

00:39:37.960 in Calgary

00:39:38.620 and Sheila Gunn-Reed

00:39:39.860 our Alberta

00:39:40.260 Bureau Chief

00:39:40.740 is in the north

00:39:41.660 you'll cover the south

00:39:42.820 and you're going

00:39:43.980 to move around a bit

00:39:44.820 so if there's things

00:39:45.620 that need doing

00:39:46.640 in other parts

00:39:47.520 whether it's

00:39:48.020 Saskatchewan

00:39:48.520 or BC

00:39:48.860 you'll go on out there

00:39:50.120 now you won't just

00:39:50.640 be doing journalism

00:39:51.500 you'll be doing

00:39:52.360 the kind of activism

00:39:54.100 that we like to do

00:39:55.240 petitions

00:39:55.960 the troublemaking part

00:39:58.500 whether it's a protest

00:39:59.900 or a billboard

00:40:00.920 that's the kind of stuff

00:40:01.880 you'll be doing

00:40:02.360 absolutely

00:40:03.380 I'm excited

00:40:04.380 to see what

00:40:05.220 what kind of rabble 0.95

00:40:06.600 we can rouse

00:40:07.120 and then

00:40:07.560 and we'll go from there

00:40:09.640 it's not just rabble 0.98

00:40:10.560 rousing for its own sake

00:40:11.460 there are a lot of big

00:40:12.140 problems in Alberta

00:40:13.120 we talked about

00:40:13.900 the anti-oil bias

00:40:15.580 the fact that you're

00:40:16.220 telling me it's actually

00:40:17.020 in the University of Calgary

00:40:18.600 itself is deeply disturbing

00:40:19.680 there are two

00:40:20.960 massive jobs

00:40:22.240 in Alberta

00:40:22.860 in the next election

00:40:23.740 extirpating

00:40:24.840 the Alberta NDP

00:40:27.000 is job one

00:40:28.480 and removing

00:40:30.160 the handful

00:40:31.340 of liberals

00:40:31.880 in that province

00:40:33.100 and more important

00:40:34.780 than either

00:40:35.200 the NDP

00:40:35.640 or the liberals

00:40:36.260 is the media party

00:40:38.960 because the media party

00:40:40.020 gives strength

00:40:40.640 to all those others

00:40:41.280 the media party

00:40:41.900 that's cowardly

00:40:43.160 on the carbon tax

00:40:44.140 that's cowardly

00:40:44.800 on any controversial issue

00:40:46.000 that sucks up

00:40:46.860 to Jason Kennedy

00:40:47.580 excuse me

00:40:48.340 sucks up to Justin Trudeau

00:40:49.940 the Freudian slip down

00:40:51.420 I think that

00:40:55.060 fighting against

00:40:55.720 the media

00:40:56.260 and showing

00:40:58.080 how they're in league

00:40:59.520 with Trudeau

00:41:00.140 is actually

00:41:01.140 the most important job

00:41:02.220 of any journalist

00:41:02.920 in Alberta

00:41:03.360 what do you think?

00:41:04.140 absolutely

00:41:04.460 and it's not just Trudeau

00:41:05.420 it's every single

00:41:06.620 left-wing politician

00:41:07.960 the media sticks to them

00:41:09.260 like flies

00:41:09.740 like flies on honey

00:41:11.140 from Calgary City Council

00:41:13.000 to the Alberta NDP

00:41:14.900 and even in

00:41:16.120 the more left-leaning

00:41:18.160 parties in

00:41:20.320 surrounding jurisdictions

00:41:21.640 to Alberta

00:41:22.100 the media just can't

00:41:24.280 get enough

00:41:25.140 of sucking up to them

00:41:26.120 and making

00:41:26.700 making sure

00:41:28.320 that they don't

00:41:28.900 report the facts

00:41:29.680 they report

00:41:30.280 what makes

00:41:31.200 the left-wing

00:41:32.420 parties more electable

00:41:33.420 I think you're right

00:41:34.500 and you know what

00:41:35.100 just hearing you talk

00:41:36.460 about Calgary City Council

00:41:37.540 I think

00:41:38.660 there's a couple

00:41:39.520 of journalists

00:41:40.040 in Calgary

00:41:40.640 that sometimes hold

00:41:41.500 Naheed Nenshi

00:41:42.440 and the council

00:41:43.420 to account

00:41:43.940 but very rarely

00:41:44.760 these days

00:41:45.560 my view is

00:41:46.120 most journalists

00:41:46.840 either suck up 0.87

00:41:48.100 to the powerful people

00:41:49.320 to get leaks

00:41:50.280 as exclusives

00:41:51.860 it makes their job easier

00:41:52.960 than actually working for it

00:41:54.240 or they're just polishing

00:41:55.640 their resumes

00:41:56.200 for when they think

00:41:56.920 they'll be laid off

00:41:57.720 from the Herald

00:41:58.640 or the Sun

00:41:59.140 or whatever

00:41:59.540 so they want to go

00:42:00.300 to work for

00:42:00.920 the CBC

00:42:01.720 communications department

00:42:02.540 of some politicians

00:42:03.740 yeah

00:42:03.980 what I like about you

00:42:05.020 is there's no chance

00:42:06.180 in a million years

00:42:07.260 you could ever get hired

00:42:08.540 by Justin Trudeau

00:42:09.340 or the CBC

00:42:09.960 so I know you're not

00:42:11.080 going to be tailoring

00:42:11.700 your work

00:42:12.120 to appeal to them

00:42:13.620 you can count on that

00:42:14.940 yeah

00:42:15.180 well listen

00:42:16.320 welcome aboard

00:42:16.940 thanks for coming out

00:42:18.080 here to our world

00:42:18.700 headquarters

00:42:19.080 to get your official

00:42:20.540 badge

00:42:21.320 actually we got to

00:42:22.080 get you a badge

00:42:22.620 we got to get you

00:42:23.140 some gear and stuff

00:42:23.940 great to see you

00:42:24.700 thanks

00:42:25.080 there you have it

00:42:26.220 Kian Bexty

00:42:27.100 is our new

00:42:28.460 Southern Alberta

00:42:29.360 reporter

00:42:30.240 and he's going to

00:42:31.260 be making some trouble

00:42:32.040 I think you can detect that

00:42:33.400 stay with us

00:42:34.080 more Head of the Rebel

00:42:35.100 hey welcome back

00:42:48.060 on my monologue yesterday

00:42:49.000 about the mainstream media

00:42:50.080 calling a Chinese Canadian

00:42:51.200 protest of the murder

00:42:52.380 of 13 year old

00:42:53.480 Marissa Shen

00:42:54.040 unexpected

00:42:54.760 Glenn writes

00:42:56.020 as for the global reporter

00:42:58.060 finding the response

00:42:58.940 unexpected

00:42:59.440 what did she expect

00:43:01.680 exactly

00:43:02.360 if it had been a 13 year old

00:43:03.960 aboriginal girl

00:43:04.720 what would she expect

00:43:06.900 well there's a good point there

00:43:09.580 I think that

00:43:10.440 Justin Trudeau

00:43:11.620 has a different

00:43:13.140 point of view

00:43:13.780 depending on who

00:43:14.740 the victim is

00:43:16.160 and who the perpetrator is

00:43:17.280 race wise

00:43:18.080 I remember

00:43:18.540 in Saskatchewan

00:43:20.260 a couple months back

00:43:21.100 remember there was a farm

00:43:22.140 invasion

00:43:23.280 home invasion

00:43:24.140 attack

00:43:24.940 and a farmer

00:43:25.740 killed

00:43:26.780 an aboriginal man

00:43:28.160 who was coming

00:43:28.980 for him

00:43:30.020 and his wife

00:43:30.640 and he was acquitted

00:43:32.160 by a jury

00:43:32.680 oh my god

00:43:33.580 Justin Trudeau

00:43:34.420 and the justice minister

00:43:35.680 wouldn't stop talking

00:43:36.500 about it

00:43:36.680 they were outraged

00:43:37.520 aboriginal 0.61

00:43:39.400 victim

00:43:40.860 white killer 0.99

00:43:42.740 not a murderer

00:43:43.440 a killer

00:43:43.960 flip it around though

00:43:46.500 Syrian accused murderer

00:43:48.400 a Chinese Canadian girl

00:43:49.480 he doesn't have much to say

00:43:50.780 I think Justin Trudeau

00:43:52.140 values people

00:43:52.900 at least politically

00:43:53.660 based on their race

00:43:55.500 and other identity

00:43:56.160 attributes

00:43:57.040 Robert writes

00:43:59.180 you really have to feel

00:44:00.620 for the left stream media

00:44:01.560 it is really hard

00:44:02.540 to dismiss a group

00:44:03.240 of Chinese Canadians

00:44:03.960 as just another bunch

00:44:04.880 of white supremacists

00:44:06.180 hey don't laugh

00:44:08.400 if I see every day

00:44:10.520 Muslim people like

00:44:12.660 Raheel Raza

00:44:13.920 called white supremacists

00:44:15.900 I don't know if you know

00:44:17.160 Dinesh D'Souza

00:44:18.160 he's from India

00:44:19.400 he's called a

00:44:19.940 white supremacist

00:44:21.220 there you know

00:44:23.660 Candace Owens

00:44:24.400 the black activist

00:44:25.260 from talking

00:44:26.120 Turning Point USA

00:44:27.300 she's called a

00:44:27.880 white supremacist

00:44:28.460 it's just an insult

00:44:29.520 it doesn't make any sense

00:44:30.940 it didn't make any sense

00:44:31.800 against most white people

00:44:33.340 why should it have to make sense

00:44:34.700 against visible minorities 0.99

00:44:35.820 on my interview

00:44:37.820 with Joel Pollack

00:44:38.560 from Breitbart

00:44:39.120 about Democrats

00:44:39.740 trying everything

00:44:40.340 to stop Brett Kavanaugh

00:44:41.260 from being confirmed

00:44:42.180 Paul writes

00:44:42.700 this just in

00:44:44.520 someone from Kavanaugh's

00:44:45.380 grade 2 class

00:44:45.960 said he was a big

00:44:46.880 doo-doo head 1.00

00:44:47.460 CNN will stay with

00:44:49.320 his big story 24-7

00:44:50.540 yeah

00:44:52.540 that's not too far

00:44:54.100 from it

00:44:54.480 I mean

00:44:54.760 this case

00:44:56.180 happened in

00:44:56.920 high school

00:44:57.820 and I'm not saying

00:44:58.900 crimes cannot be

00:44:59.680 committed in high school

00:45:00.800 but

00:45:01.360 there was no crime

00:45:03.500 here

00:45:03.760 at least none

00:45:04.480 that was reported

00:45:05.100 for 36 years

00:45:05.980 and

00:45:06.900 the complainant

00:45:08.200 did not go to the FBI

00:45:09.260 or any other police

00:45:10.180 she went to a

00:45:11.220 politician

00:45:11.720 and even now

00:45:12.600 I see the news today

00:45:14.540 the Senate has invited her

00:45:15.800 to come and speak

00:45:16.560 and testify

00:45:17.520 and she refused

00:45:18.340 to do so

00:45:18.880 she refused even

00:45:19.880 to take a phone call

00:45:20.960 so

00:45:21.820 I don't think

00:45:22.760 you can call it a crime

00:45:23.500 I think you can call it

00:45:24.300 a false allegation

00:45:25.120 I think if Donald Trump

00:45:25.920 blinks on this

00:45:26.760 I think it will

00:45:27.940 demoralize the base

00:45:29.180 not because his base

00:45:30.600 are misogynistic

00:45:31.660 but because

00:45:32.880 everyone can see

00:45:34.580 this is a stitch up

00:45:35.680 on my interview

00:45:37.760 with Derek Fillebrandt

00:45:38.440 last week

00:45:38.740 Trevor writes

00:45:39.340 I am an Ontarian

00:45:41.240 but deeply interested

00:45:42.080 in conservative politics

00:45:42.980 across the country

00:45:43.580 I believe you were

00:45:44.680 far too soft

00:45:45.540 in your interview

00:45:46.120 the Freedom Conservative Party

00:45:47.360 has been historically committed

00:45:48.500 to breaking up

00:45:49.460 our confederation

00:45:50.080 I understand you

00:45:50.980 to be a Canadian nationalist

00:45:51.880 and find it odd

00:45:52.660 that you did not comment

00:45:53.760 on this aspect

00:45:54.380 I also find it very confusing

00:45:55.900 about your talk

00:45:56.460 about a united

00:45:57.000 conservative movement

00:45:57.740 and yet seem to buy

00:45:59.620 into this idea

00:46:00.440 of centrist red Tories

00:46:01.420 being liberal light

00:46:02.520 red Tories

00:46:03.060 or more aptly

00:46:03.800 progressive conservatism

00:46:04.940 as a philosophy

00:46:05.980 and one that was

00:46:06.900 embraced by Sir John A

00:46:07.880 is a uniquely

00:46:08.820 Canadian brand

00:46:09.580 of conservatism

00:46:10.300 red Tories

00:46:11.080 included great men

00:46:12.440 such as Peter Lougheed

00:46:13.460 in any event

00:46:14.420 it was an interesting

00:46:15.000 interview

00:46:15.280 as I normally

00:46:15.860 don't watch

00:46:16.420 Rebel Media

00:46:16.900 fair enough Trevor

00:46:18.840 I appreciate that

00:46:19.560 I put it to you

00:46:20.360 that if John A

00:46:21.260 Macdonald

00:46:21.760 is called

00:46:22.300 a red Tory

00:46:22.860 then the term

00:46:24.480 red Tory

00:46:25.020 has changed itself

00:46:26.540 over the last

00:46:27.140 150 years

00:46:28.040 because as you know

00:46:29.420 they're tearing down

00:46:30.220 John A Macdonald

00:46:30.940 statues

00:46:31.420 in Victoria

00:46:32.780 stripping him off

00:46:33.760 our $10 bill

00:46:34.700 nationwide

00:46:35.580 because

00:46:36.160 he was a monstrous

00:46:37.980 genocidal

00:46:38.940 maniac

00:46:39.440 or something

00:46:40.060 so I don't know

00:46:41.340 if he passed by

00:46:42.580 the phrase

00:46:43.140 red Tory today

00:46:43.940 my point about

00:46:45.160 the PCs

00:46:46.580 and the Wild Rose

00:46:47.380 merging

00:46:47.860 to the United

00:46:49.040 Conservative Party

00:46:49.660 is just that

00:46:50.240 it merged with

00:46:51.440 all the red Tories

00:46:52.260 they were not

00:46:53.080 left in the wilderness

00:46:54.480 they were incorporated

00:46:55.660 into the new party

00:46:56.480 and so by definition

00:46:57.340 it is more to the left

00:46:58.660 than the Wild Rose Party

00:46:59.800 that I think would have won

00:47:00.620 the next election

00:47:01.840 I would like to have

00:47:03.500 Jason Kenney

00:47:04.220 as a conservative premier

00:47:05.580 with a right wing

00:47:06.620 opposition to him

00:47:07.460 why should the opposition

00:47:08.580 in Alberta

00:47:08.960 always be on the left

00:47:10.200 of the winning party

00:47:11.260 that makes no sense

00:47:12.160 finally

00:47:13.880 Ron writes

00:47:14.720 have you noticed

00:47:16.020 or at least

00:47:16.420 does it seem to you

00:47:17.540 as it does to me

00:47:18.540 that the mainstream media

00:47:19.540 while they still

00:47:20.680 cling to their

00:47:21.280 anti-business

00:47:21.800 anti-constitutional narrative

00:47:22.940 are turning against

00:47:24.080 Justin Trudeau

00:47:24.780 I think they are

00:47:25.480 beginning to understand

00:47:26.200 that his clumsy ineptitude

00:47:27.280 is actually hurting

00:47:28.260 the media party's agenda

00:47:29.260 he's now the oldest

00:47:30.260 of the three big party leaders

00:47:31.380 but the most childish

00:47:32.600 well I'd say

00:47:35.060 they're in some quarters

00:47:37.020 less slavishly

00:47:38.180 in love with him

00:47:38.860 but I wouldn't

00:47:39.920 overstate it

00:47:41.040 every week

00:47:44.120 a scandal erupts

00:47:45.780 that would result

00:47:47.020 in a cabinet minister

00:47:48.260 being fired

00:47:48.820 were it under

00:47:49.400 Stephen Harper

00:47:50.060 there was another

00:47:51.580 ethics

00:47:52.880 law breaking

00:47:54.600 incident

00:47:55.140 convicted

00:47:55.740 against Dominic LeBlanc

00:47:57.340 last week

00:47:58.200 it barely

00:47:58.600 I'm sure

00:47:59.520 didn't even make

00:48:00.000 the front pages

00:48:00.640 there were no

00:48:02.640 ethics convictions

00:48:03.360 during Harper's

00:48:04.080 nine and a half years

00:48:04.880 the biggest ethical

00:48:05.820 breach was

00:48:06.420 Nigel Wright

00:48:07.300 putting in

00:48:08.280 $90,000

00:48:09.140 for his own money

00:48:09.880 to pay the government

00:48:10.540 back on some

00:48:11.140 iffy expenses

00:48:12.400 they're not

00:48:12.820 taking money out

00:48:13.560 imagine

00:48:15.200 what is that now

00:48:16.040 five or is that

00:48:16.780 six convictions

00:48:19.180 of the conflict

00:48:20.240 of interest act

00:48:20.760 four from Trudeau

00:48:21.760 himself

00:48:22.080 and that's just

00:48:22.700 that's no big deal

00:48:23.900 $16 glass of orange juice

00:48:25.560 got Bev Oda fired

00:48:26.520 from cabinet

00:48:27.100 we have Catherine McKenna

00:48:28.620 racking up

00:48:29.200 $10,000-$20,000

00:48:30.480 for vanity

00:48:31.760 fashion photo shoots

00:48:33.400 no one cares

00:48:34.400 all the things

00:48:37.080 all the things

00:48:37.100 that caused 0.77

00:48:38.220 the media

00:48:38.580 to squawk

00:48:39.340 and squeal 1.00

00:48:39.920 under Trudeau

00:48:40.500 are under Harper

00:48:41.500 just normal now

00:48:42.420 so I'm going to

00:48:43.260 politely disagree

00:48:43.880 with you

00:48:44.260 the media party

00:48:45.960 is just as

00:48:46.940 slavish

00:48:47.300 as they ever were

00:48:48.100 I think that

00:48:50.400 maybe a few

00:48:52.700 pinprick

00:48:53.480 independent

00:48:54.400 minded columnists

00:48:55.180 are more

00:48:55.680 sober minded

00:48:56.340 and increasingly

00:48:57.360 we get our news

00:48:58.040 from outside Canada

00:48:59.120 about Canada

00:49:00.060 like I say

00:49:00.520 about this

00:49:00.900 Marissa Shen case

00:49:01.860 if you want to know

00:49:03.180 what's really going on

00:49:03.840 don't read the

00:49:04.200 Vancouver Sun

00:49:04.720 Vancouver province

00:49:05.440 of CBC

00:49:05.940 read the

00:49:07.540 South China Morning Post

00:49:08.540 it's free online

00:49:09.400 out of Hong Kong

00:49:10.100 you'll learn more there

00:49:11.120 because they're not

00:49:11.760 trying to suck up

00:49:12.420 to Justin Trudeau

00:49:14.020 speaking of which

00:49:15.060 we have a petition

00:49:17.120 about Marissa Shen

00:49:18.740 I did a video

00:49:19.860 and I had it

00:49:21.080 subtitled

00:49:21.620 in Chinese

00:49:22.560 and I want to see

00:49:25.500 how that petition goes

00:49:27.500 because we have

00:49:27.980 a lot of interest

00:49:29.020 from Chinese Canadians

00:49:30.620 in our coverage

00:49:31.640 because it's us

00:49:33.080 and the South China

00:49:33.880 Morning Post

00:49:34.500 and I think

00:49:35.740 I just finished

00:49:36.240 going through

00:49:36.600 the whole list

00:49:37.100 of media

00:49:37.500 who are covering

00:49:39.220 this murder

00:49:40.260 without a crazy

00:49:42.260 noticeable

00:49:42.920 pro-Syrian

00:49:44.620 migrant agenda

00:49:45.540 why are you even

00:49:46.280 talking about

00:49:46.920 why are you even

00:49:47.460 interviewing

00:49:47.880 immigration experts

00:49:50.160 it's a

00:49:50.940 tragic murder

00:49:52.400 horrific crime

00:49:53.840 and you're trying

00:49:54.860 to defend

00:49:55.620 your

00:49:55.840 it's just so gross

00:49:57.340 and I think

00:49:58.560 I showed you

00:49:59.040 yesterday

00:49:59.460 my one little

00:50:00.640 Twitter tweet

00:50:01.180 got 1.4 million

00:50:03.240 impressions

00:50:03.840 that tells me

00:50:04.780 there is a

00:50:05.340 shocking demand

00:50:06.940 for facts

00:50:07.900 on Marissa Shen

00:50:08.700 and no one's

00:50:09.700 buying the government

00:50:10.240 BS

00:50:10.520 we'll see how

00:50:11.060 this poll goes

00:50:12.560 this petition

00:50:13.040 rather

00:50:13.360 you can listen

00:50:15.080 to me talk

00:50:15.720 in English

00:50:16.040 obviously I don't

00:50:16.640 try and speak

00:50:17.080 Chinese

00:50:17.500 if you're curious

00:50:18.640 you can go to

00:50:19.120 apologisenow.com

00:50:21.320 and let me know

00:50:21.880 what you think

00:50:22.400 of what that means

00:50:23.220 but go to

00:50:23.800 Apologize Now

00:50:25.140 if you want to see

00:50:25.540 that video

00:50:25.840 that's it for today

00:50:26.560 until tomorrow

00:50:27.320 on behalf of all of us

00:50:28.200 here at Rebel World

00:50:28.760 Headquarters

00:50:29.180 goodnight

00:50:29.960 and keep fighting

00:50:31.200 for freedom

Rebel News Podcast - September 19, 2018

Paul Wells' interview with Trudeau wasn't journalism — “It was stenography”

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