Rebel News Podcast - PROOF： The Liberals “want total state control over the internet” — and the Conservatives love the idea

00:00:00.480 Hello, my Rebels. There's so many of you. We're all, it's a big rebellion. You're listening to

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00:00:42.580 our fifth year of Speaking Truth to Power. Today, I talk about, I punished myself. I watched hours of

00:00:51.840 video from a parliamentary committee where Karina Gould, Justin Trudeau's minister in charge of

00:00:56.960 election meddling, outlined how she wants to meddle in the election with a panel that'll weigh in on 1.00

00:01:04.960 things that it doesn't think are true. But the crazy part is the conservative response. You've got

00:01:10.720 to watch this, or if you're listening, you've got to listen to it. Without further to do, here's the

00:01:16.360 show. You're listening to a Rebel Media Podcast. Tonight, the liberals plan to regulate social

00:01:23.480 media, and the conservatives think they're not going hard enough? It's February 28th,

00:01:28.580 and this is the Ezra LeVant Show. Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon

00:01:34.780 consumer I know? There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer. The only thing I

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00:01:51.080 Coming up after my opening monologue, I talk in depth with Manny Montenegrino about Jody Wilson-Raybould's

00:01:57.960 bombshell testimony yesterday burying Justin Trudeau and his entire inner circle. Please make sure you

00:02:04.840 stick around and watch that entire detailed interview with Manny. But first, I want to tell you about

00:02:09.880 something that happened two days ago. Tommy Robinson's Facebook page was deleted. It was just deleted.

00:02:15.420 He had one million followers. It was either the most popular or the third most popular Facebook page

00:02:22.840 in the UK, depending on how you measure. He was in a league with their prime minister, Theresa May,

00:02:28.080 and their opposition leader, Jeremy Corbyn. And Facebook just deleted it. That's more interference

00:02:34.740 in the UK democracy than anything else I've seen or heard of in years. And it was all done in complete

00:02:40.280 secrecy. Behind the scenes, did Theresa May herself demand it? Did a Muslim activist demand it? Here's

00:02:47.500 one Muslim activist who actually works with the BBC, who claims he was the one who got the dirty deed done. 0.94

00:02:55.260 Who knows? And that's the point. Talk about a lack of transparency. Was it a foreign government?

00:02:59.940 The government of Pakistan? They hate Tommy. Was it a rival political movement? No one knows.

00:03:06.500 And the government rather likes it that way because that mystery, that darkness, well,

00:03:10.260 that's where censors would prefer to operate rather than in the sunlight, rather than in the public.

00:03:17.580 If you were Justin Trudeau, would you rather, say, try to prosecute the rebel in a real court or even a

00:03:25.420 kangaroo court like the Human Rights Commission? Or would you rather maybe just have your chum, 0.80

00:03:29.940 close friend, trusted friend at Facebook, just turn us off? And when I say trusted friend,

00:03:37.280 I mean a trusted friend. Facebook's head of policy for Canada is this guy. His name is Kevin Chan.

00:03:44.620 He used to work for the Liberal Party of Canada in the leader's office. Oh, and would you look at that?

00:03:50.400 He happens to also sit on the Liberal Party's in-house think tank called Canada 2020. It's so chummy.

00:03:58.340 So yeah, when Trudeau publicly threatened Facebook last year that they better start censoring his

00:04:05.200 enemies in the run-up to this year's election, he really didn't need to threaten them because

00:04:09.600 they're already on his team. But he threatened them anyways. That's what the Libranos do. 1.00

00:04:14.900 So how do you do it? With private threats. But the Liberals are emboldened these days.

00:04:21.800 They want to actually start passing laws and hiring police and sending money and power to censor

00:04:29.020 and silence. Their $595 million bailout of the few remaining private sector media in the country

00:04:34.700 will probably help silence any squawking. Look at this. Look at this. Gould says she doesn't have full

00:04:42.020 confidence Facebook will meet Ottawa's expectations to implement electoral safeguard.

00:04:46.180 And look at this. I don't have the assurances that give me the full confidence that they will

00:04:53.000 be completely seized with this, which is why I continue to have conversations with them.

00:04:57.860 Democratic Institutions Minister Karina Gould told the Ethics Committee. That is Trudeau's point

00:05:04.480 person in cabinet in charge of censorship in the run-up to the election. She is saying

00:05:10.600 it's not enough what Facebook is doing. They want to do more. But we don't know what her

00:05:17.540 conversations with Facebook are. She says she's in conversations, but they're not on the record.

00:05:21.920 Kevin Chan refuses to answer questions. And Gould refuses to answer questions. What is she talking

00:05:26.980 to Facebook about? Does she want to do in Canada what they just did to Tommy in the UK?

00:05:35.040 There's not a lot of curiosity about it from the media, though.

00:05:37.320 Say, do you think they'd be asking a few questions if it were Stephen Harper,

00:05:41.100 who is meeting in secret with Facebook, talking about their censorship in the 2019 election campaign?

00:05:47.980 As in asking them to censor? Here's the Globe and Mail on the same story.

00:05:54.320 Liberals may have to require social media companies to act on hate speech,

00:05:58.280 Minister of Democratic Institutions says. Let me read just one line. Minister of Democratic

00:06:04.680 Institutions, Karina Gould says that the governing liberals may have to require social media giants

00:06:09.060 to act when they fail to remove hate speech from their platforms. Like when they took down Tommy

00:06:14.840 Robinson's page. No charges, no crime, no trial, no ruling, no appeal. Just do it.

00:06:24.520 Is that what the liberals want to do in Canada? And the Globe reported this neutral. Actually,

00:06:29.780 not even neutrally. I think they liked it. They want Kevin Chan and Mark Zuckerberg to just take

00:06:35.960 down hate speech. Whatever that means. I think it actually means speech that liberals themselves hate.

00:06:42.980 But take it down without any fuss. No due process, no freedom of speech, no trial, no hearing. Just do it,

00:06:49.200 okay? Now these stories were written from when Karina Gould appeared before a parliamentary committee on the

00:06:55.740 subject. So I sat down, and I watched some of that committee on video online. And I'd like to show you a few

00:07:03.660 clips of it. These first two are questions, and they refer to a government panel that Karina Gould and the

00:07:10.940 liberals want to set up. A panel with government experts appointed by Trudeau, who will oversee

00:07:16.980 conversations, social media, reporting in the election campaign. As in, the government

00:07:23.980 will look over who's saying what in our election campaign. And if there's something that they

00:07:30.540 think might change the course of election, well, they'll weigh in to stop it. Well, what do they

00:07:38.700 mean by that? Do they mean someone trying to hack voting machines? In that case, if someone was trying

00:07:43.700 to change the course of elections by hacking voting machines, obviously we want to stop it, but we

00:07:48.200 don't have those electric voting machines in Canada like they do in the U.S. We use paper ballots. So

00:07:54.540 what do they mean by someone changing the course of an election? What's an example of when Trudeau's

00:08:02.760 committee, Karina's Gould's committee, would weigh in to stop an election from going the wrong way?

00:08:08.860 What's an example of that? Well, a liberal MP named Anita Vandenbelt asked Gould that question. Take a look.

00:08:16.060 We looked at allied countries and like-minded countries around the world to see what mechanisms

00:08:22.860 they had and have in place. And what stuck out for me was the French example of the Conseil d'État

00:08:31.680 that weighed in when there was the leak from the Macron campaign to basically say this is, you know,

00:08:41.140 a threat against our democracy. And they advised the media not to report on it. That's a step further

00:08:48.780 than what this is anticipating. We tried to come up with something that would fit within the Canadian

00:08:53.080 context. The Conseil d'État in France has been around for a very long time.

00:08:58.300 I know what Macron leaks was. Did you hear her say that? That was internal campaign documents

00:09:03.640 from Emmanuel Macron's election campaign to be the president of France. Now, those leaks were

00:09:09.480 published, released to the world online about a week before the French election. They were deeply

00:09:14.400 embarrassing to Macron. They showed his scheming, his corruption, his ideological extremism, his

00:09:19.820 personal scandals. I don't know if the emails were leaked or hacked or someone just chose a really weak

00:09:24.760 password or someone inside the campaign wanted to blow a whistle. I don't know. And so there may have

00:09:30.740 been a crime involved with the hacking. Could be. But the materials that were released were real.

00:09:37.140 They were legitimate. They were news. They weren't state secrets. They were made public and they were

00:09:42.880 definitely in the public interest. But it was embarrassing to Emmanuel Macron. And so the French

00:09:48.740 government, you heard her say it there, advised the French media to publish none of it a week before

00:09:55.900 the election. And they all complied. Now, I think it was a stitch up. Maybe they just didn't want Marine

00:10:03.140 Le Pen to be the president. So they wouldn't have published it anyways. The French media complied. But

00:10:09.060 that's an example. That was the first example she gave about how her panel would weigh in. So it wasn't

00:10:17.280 a lie. It wasn't fake news. It was real news that was embarrassing to the left-wing candidate.

00:10:24.660 That was the example she chose. Here she emphasized it again.

00:10:29.400 Can you give the kind of examples of the kinds of things that would trigger this mechanism?

00:10:34.720 I'm cautious in doing that because I think everything is very context dependent.

00:10:38.480 And I wouldn't want to prejudge the outcome of the panel and their decision. However, I think it's safe to

00:10:47.320 assume that some of the major incidents that we've seen around the world, for example, the Macron leaks or

00:10:53.020 what the U.S. was grappling with at the time would be things of sufficient value to inform Canadians.

00:11:00.220 But again, it will be very context dependent and it will be within the context of the Canadian election,

00:11:05.600 which is different, right? Twice she mentioned Macron leaks. What would the analogy be here in

00:11:12.620 Canada? It would be if Gerald Butts had his emails leaked and we finally learned all the truth

00:11:19.240 about why Jody Wilson-Raybould was fired by Trudeau and the meddling with that vice admiral in Halifax.

00:11:27.940 Some huge bombshells would surely come out. Remember, Trudeau and his people originally said that story was fake.

00:11:35.600 They said it was fake news. They're still sort of saying that, but after yesterday, I don't think

00:11:41.580 they'll get away with it. They trotted out that crackpot clerk of the Privy Council the other day

00:11:46.500 to say it was all gossip and lies and defamation, except for the inconvenience of the fact that

00:11:51.080 Wilson-Raybould herself quit cabinet over it and lawyered up. But other than that, people,

00:11:55.880 it's fake news, it's fake news. Please ignore it. Do you see my point? Of course, Trudeau and Gould

00:12:01.860 and Vandenberg and the partisan clerk want to silence leaks and whistleblowing and scoops that are

00:12:09.900 embarrassing to Trudeau. And that's actually the analogy, the example Gould specifically used twice,

00:12:17.920 hiding incredibly important facts from the people during an election campaign. The Macron leaks were

00:12:25.320 not fake. They were really his scheming. And the government ordered the media not to embarrass a

00:12:31.180 candidate. That is the example used twice by Karina Gould. Peter Kant, a conservative MP,

00:12:39.160 asked whether or not Gould cared about foreign meddling in Canada, especially through front groups

00:12:44.680 like Lead Now that take foreign money, said Kent. That's a real problem, not a fake problem like

00:12:51.180 Russian hacking of paper ballots. Watch how that exchange went. Lead Now is funded by foreign 0.61

00:12:57.460 charitable funds, channeled through organizations like Tides Canada. So I'm not sure that there's

00:13:03.380 evidence of that. But that would be something that... We would refer you to testimony in this

00:13:09.020 committee of Ms. Vivian Crouse. So, again, I, you know, we have the Commissioner of Canada

00:13:16.680 elections that would be responsible for investigating that. That's not something that has come up and I

00:13:23.920 would, I would caution against those allegations. But I do think that it is important to note that in

00:13:30.460 C-76, that was seen at the Procedure and House Affairs Committee. And, you know, I see Ms. Cousy here,

00:13:36.360 who played a substantial role in that we, you know, were able to have, you know, significant

00:13:42.220 all-party consensus with regards to banning foreign funding with regards to third parties

00:13:47.500 in our elections. Now, we know what Vivian Crouse reported about foreign funding of radical

00:13:54.420 environmental groups. We know that's a fact because Vivian Crouse proved it all with IRS documents,

00:13:59.140 big U.S. left-wing charities like the Tides Foundation, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund. They have

00:14:03.620 to disclose who they give their money to, to the IRS. It's public. It's not a secret. But Karina Gould

00:14:09.440 wouldn't even acknowledge that. She wouldn't even acknowledge that it's happening. Because, you see,

00:14:14.160 that foreign meddling helped Trudeau. All right, up next in this committee meeting was Charlie Angus,

00:14:22.100 the new Democrat. I think he's a left-wing kook, to be honest. But I'll give him this. He's not easily

00:14:27.760 dazzled or bought off by Facebook or other tech companies. And he knows how the liberals work.

00:14:33.620 Watch this. Who at Facebook did you meet with? At Facebook, I met with Kevin Chan here. And then

00:14:41.220 I would have to get you the names of the five other individuals because I don't remember off the top.

00:14:45.220 So you met with Kevin Chan, who was not registered as a lobbyist, who met with numerous people in the

00:14:51.940 government's office, who's a former member working for the Liberals. So Kevin Chan was your voice?

00:14:57.660 As I said, there were... I gotta say, you know, we spent...

00:15:00.280 Sorry, Mr. Angus, would you let me speak?

00:15:01.020 Just sorry, no, I'm asking my questions here. Do I have permission? Because I'm trying to answer it.

00:15:03.460 I'm asking my questions here if it was Kevin Chan.

00:15:05.960 We spent over a year studying this. We spent over a year studying this. We could not get a straight

00:15:11.020 answer out of Facebook. So if Kevin Chan was your source, I just want that on the record.

00:15:15.280 But Mr. Angus, I said there were five other individuals who we met with as well...

00:15:18.700 Above or below Mr. Chan.

00:15:19.740 ...who came from Washington and Silicon Valley.

00:15:21.920 So would you give us their names?

00:15:22.940 Happily, I just don't have them right now.

00:15:24.540 Thank you.

00:15:26.300 Kool didn't know their names. She didn't know the names of anyone else from Facebook because

00:15:31.020 none of them mattered. She only knows their key man at Facebook. Kevin Chan, former Liberal

00:15:37.420 Party staffer, current Liberal Party think tanker, head of policy for Facebook Canada. You don't need

00:15:42.540 to know anyone else. They're just the staff. Hey, did you see any of that exchange in the mainstream

00:15:48.140 media? No, you did not. And good for Charlie Angus for raising the insane conduct of that

00:15:55.180 Privy Council clerk, Michael Wernick, who just happens to be one of the people who will sit

00:15:59.740 on this new government interference panel to monitor mean things said in the election campaign

00:16:05.820 and then react if there's a Macron leaks. Take a look.

00:16:08.540 Yes, I understand it. So I guess my concern is I share Mr. Wernick's concern. I share Mr. Wernick's concern

00:16:15.020 about the rising tide of political extremism. But I was very surprised that he suggested political

00:16:21.180 assassination in the midst of a parliamentary hearing on whether the government had done wrong.

00:16:29.260 Do you not realize that that would breach the rules for the Privy Council, that they're not to

00:16:35.340 wade into matters of conjecture and controversy, yet he started out a question to the panel about

00:16:42.220 whether or not the government was involved in interfering with the rule of law. And he related

00:16:48.140 it not just to political assassination, but he says, I worry that the reputations of honorable people

00:16:54.060 who serve their country being besmirched and dragged through the market square. I worry about the trolling

00:16:59.980 from the vomitorium of social media entering the open media area. Most of all, I worry about people

00:17:05.820 losing faith. So is that the position of the government, or is that his opinion?

00:17:11.100 You would have to ask him that question. That was his personal view, is my understanding.

00:17:17.020 Well, we learned yesterday from Jody Wilson-Rabel that Michael Wernick was one of the enforcers

00:17:21.900 of Trudeau's shakedown, Trudeau's attempt to get the charges dropped against SNC-Lavalin.

00:17:26.460 But Wernick's outbursts on its own show that he's going to be a meddler on this panel of people who are

00:17:34.380 enforcing social media politeness. Of course he's going to be a meddler. That's the purpose of this

00:17:40.620 anti-meddling agency, is to meddle when necessary. Telling journalists not to report something,

00:17:48.060 that's the meddling. Listen to how crazy Wernick is. I can't even believe he hasn't been fired yet 0.96

00:17:56.380 after yesterday's comments by Jody Wilson-Rabel. But imagine putting this guy on a secret panel

00:18:04.700 charged with ensuring elections don't engage in fake news or something. Remember this?

00:18:09.820 The Globe and Mail article contains errors, unfounded speculation, and in some cases,

00:18:17.260 simply defamatory. In my observation and my experience, they have always, always conducted

00:18:23.340 themselves to the highest standards of integrity. You may not like their politics or their policies

00:18:28.860 or their tweets, but they have always been guided by trying to do the right thing. Indicated that it

00:18:34.860 was entirely her call to make that she was the decider. And that is a message that the Prime Minister

00:18:43.340 conveyed to the Minister on every situation that I'm aware of that it came up. I worry about the

00:18:49.340 rising tide of incitements to violence when people use terms like treason and traitor in open discourse.

00:18:56.380 Those are the words that lead to assassination. I'm worried that somebody's going to be shot in this

00:19:00.620 country this year during the political campaign. What a kook. He's not non-partisan. Oh, the Liberals 0.98

00:19:07.340 have never done anything wrong. Days later, we learn that he was in the center of it. But let me tell you

00:19:13.660 how deep this crazy thinking goes in the Liberals. I want to show you a question at committee from the

00:19:18.780 Liberal MP Raj Saini. He doesn't just want to silence foreign meddlers. That's their excuse that 0.95

00:19:25.180 foreigners are doing all these unsavory things in Canada. Raj Saini doesn't just want to silence 1.00

00:19:30.780 newspaper publishers or campaign publishers or even the media. He doesn't want to just do broad strokes.

00:19:38.220 He's not a forest guy. He's not a forest for the trees guy. He's an individual leaf guy.

00:19:44.780 Raj Saini literally wants the government to censor individual comments online, on Facebook, on comment boards

00:19:51.260 made by individual Canadians like you. If you like something, maybe. If you dislike something, maybe.

00:19:56.940 If you use the wrong emoticon, this guy wants you censored. Listen to this control freak.

00:20:02.620 However, there's one point I want to ask you on, if there's something that your department or some

00:20:06.380 of the officials here could comment on, is that sometimes in whether it be Reddit or Facebook,

00:20:10.700 there's a comment section. And sometimes there can be infiltration by foreign actors or by other

00:20:16.780 people who want to disrupt the election mechanism that we have here, where they can insert misinformation

00:20:22.060 or disinformation within the comments section. As is, is there some protocol that we're that we are

00:20:27.740 looking at to prevent that from happening? Now Gould didn't run with that question, but that's not the

00:20:34.780 point. My point is, that is the thinking in the liberal government. They want total state control over

00:20:43.740 the internet right down to what your grandma comments on a news story. Here, this guy thinks

00:20:50.300 that the government should tell us what's true and what's not true.

00:20:54.700 As you know, the election campaign is coming up. There may be things that are said in social media

00:21:00.140 about certain candidates, true or untrue. What's the mechanism to resolve something that is untrue?

00:21:05.820 So in C-76, there was a tightening based on the recommendations from the former CEO of Elections

00:21:13.100 Canada to tighten the language surrounding false statements made against candidates. The idea was

00:21:19.580 that the previous clause in the Elections Act was too vague, that it was so unenforceable. So we

00:21:29.580 tightened it up so that it would be based on statements that you could prove or disprove. So for example,

00:21:34.380 if someone accused candidate X of having a criminal record, that's something that you could prove or

00:21:39.660 disprove. And the mechanism, like all with regards to our elections legislation, is a complaint filed to

00:21:45.660 the Commissioner of Canada elections for which they would then respond. And the resources to the

00:21:52.140 Commissioner have been increased. And I think another very important element of this is that the

00:21:57.100 Commissioner has been both moved back into Elections Canada, but also empowered to initiate and lay

00:22:08.380 charges as well as compel testimony. And so their powers have been strengthened so that they can be

00:22:13.820 more effective in applying our legislation.

00:22:16.380 So if you say something false that the government thinks is false, you will have charges laid against

00:22:22.860 you and your testimony will be compelled. Is that how we resolve what's true or false in election?

00:22:29.660 It's funny that false statement part of the law. I looked it up. Here, let me read it to you. This is

00:22:33.740 from their Bill C-76. Publishing false statement to effect election results. No person or entity shall,

00:22:42.940 with the intention of effecting the results of an election, make or publish during the election period

00:22:48.460 a false statement about the citizenship, place of birth, education, professional qualifications,

00:22:53.980 or membership in a group or association of a candidate, a prospective candidate, the leader of a political

00:22:59.980 party or a public figure associated with a political party. Really? Really? So we're going to have the

00:23:08.540 government now checking every single thing people say. And if it's wrong, the answer isn't to rebut it,

00:23:14.940 it's to prosecute them. And this liberal government's going to be trustworthy to do that fairly.

00:23:21.180 Now, it's now against the law to say something false and defamatory. But then you can go to a real court.

00:23:31.020 But what they're doing here is setting up a liberal handpick election court with the power to compel

00:23:37.980 testimony that's going to hear special political crimes. If you say something false about someone's

00:23:43.660 education or qualifications or where they're from, and the government itself is going to enforce this,

00:23:49.980 some elections agency will, not a proper court. Okay, I'll bite.

00:23:55.180 Maryam Monsef, the crooked cabinet minister who admitted she lied on her refugee application in

00:24:02.220 Canada. She lied and said she's from Afghanistan when she's not. Remember her? 0.94

00:24:07.740 So you were born in Afghanistan, correct?

00:24:09.660 I believe I was.

00:24:12.460 I believe I was. No, you little liar. You were born in Iran. So does she have to go to jail? 1.00

00:24:20.380 For lying about herself? Or how about Christy Duncan, who lied about her qualifications?

00:24:26.540 She lied and said she was a Nobel Prize winner. Gee, I wonder if that's hard to check. Does she have to

00:24:32.780 go to jail now because she lied about her professional qualifications?

00:24:35.660 I don't think they should, by the way. I don't think we should criminalize campaign banter. I think it's

00:24:43.340 up to voters to decide what's true or not. And who on earth gets to judge what is a fair comment or an

00:24:48.860 unfair one? Isn't that our job as voters? But the whole thing is built on a lie. The liberals have

00:24:54.540 actually convinced themselves that Donald Trump won the election in 2016 because of Russian hacking.

00:25:02.540 You heard Karina Gould earlier say, Macron leaks and the business in 2016 in America. Really? Well,

00:25:09.740 two years and $20 million worth of investigations by Robert Mueller and all his prosecutors haven't

00:25:14.300 found any Russian collusion. But listen to this. Karina Gould is implying that the 2000 election,

00:25:20.460 2016 election was unfair and rigged and a disaster and has to be stopped up here.

00:25:26.060 And so we announced $7 million for our digital citizenship initiative that will provide funding

00:25:33.980 to civil society organizations in the realms of digital media and civic literacy. And I think that

00:25:42.540 this is an extraordinarily important initiative. We, I think over the past couple of years, particularly

00:25:49.340 with the 2016 US elections, it was a bit of a wake up call to Western democracies in the sense that

00:25:55.260 we were taking our democracy a little bit for granted. And I think it's important to ensure

00:26:00.620 that we continue to talk about democracy and democratic values in our own countries.

00:26:07.660 Otherwise, we could stand the chance of losing it. What the hell is she saying?

00:26:14.700 What was 2016 and the destruction of democracy in America? Or was it a wonderful expression of

00:26:21.260 democracy? Where the candidate who outspent the other two to one, the corrupt Hillary Clinton, 1.00

00:26:27.580 lost despite all the establishment? That was a wonderful expression of democracy. But at the very

00:26:32.700 least, we know there was no Russian corruption. So says Mueller's investigation. She, I don't know if

00:26:38.220 she actually believes that America lost its democracy. And if we don't stop that sort of thing from happening

00:26:44.220 here, we could lose our democracy too. I don't know if she believes that. She seems like a smart lady.

00:26:49.740 Maybe she's just whipped herself up and only talks to other Trump haters, and there's a lot of them

00:26:54.060 in the Liberal Party. Or maybe she knows it's a crock, but just is using that as an excuse to regulate

00:26:59.980 you and me. It was so awful. But then Stephanie Cusey, the conservative MP from Calgary, finally spoke.

00:27:07.500 I knew her about 25 years ago. We actually went to college together. So what did she have to say in

00:27:12.940 committee? How did she start things off? Was she like Charlie Angus? Did finally, did someone finally

00:27:20.700 take Karina Gould on and take the liberals to task? Either for their censorship or their coziness with 1.00

00:27:27.500 Facebook? Yeah, no, it was sort of the opposite. Thank you very much, Mr. Chair and Minister. Always

00:27:36.060 lovely to see you. I love that necklace, by the way. That's just beautiful. Also, I want to say that I

00:27:40.300 really enjoyed your speech yesterday at the AI. And you know what? It was very informal. And I really,

00:27:46.220 I think you should go with that format more when you come even to committees, because you just,

00:27:49.660 you do it so well. So I just, I wanted to compliment you on that.

00:27:54.380 Okay, now please tell me there was just some friendly banter as a warm-up

00:27:58.540 before the official opposition did some official opposing. Yeah, no.

00:28:03.020 So I'm asking you, please, if you are ready in regards to the social media platform,

00:28:10.060 willing to make the hard decisions, to take the hard actions, and not six months from now, but now, please.

00:28:19.340 That's your question. Charlie Angus was talking about collusion between Facebook and the liberals.

00:28:25.660 We heard all sorts of plans for censorship, all sorts of schemes, even censoring comments.

00:28:32.460 We heard the statement that, you know, if there's some real news that could alter the course of the

00:28:38.620 election, the government should weigh in. We heard that twice about Macron leaks. And the question from

00:28:43.900 the conservatives is to go harder and faster? Is that the approach of the conservatives? The liberals

00:28:51.660 want to control the internet. They want a government censorship agency and a government meddling

00:28:56.780 agency with that kook Michael Wernick on it. They're working hand in glove with liberal executives at

00:29:02.940 Facebook. And all the conservatives have to say is, will you go harder and faster and just do it already?

00:29:09.740 And might I say you're looking wonderful today? That is crazy, my friends. That is danger.

00:29:15.740 They're coming for you. They're coming for me. They're coming for anyone who makes comments on

00:29:21.420 Facebook they don't like. You heard Rad Sany. They literally want to arrest people and charge them

00:29:25.980 for crimes for criticizing Trudeau too much. Like this kook, a liberal MP named Nathaniel Erskine Smith. 0.93

00:29:32.780 Take a look. They said Trudeau is a traitor to our country and deserves to be hung for his treasonous crimes. 1.00

00:29:38.860 And that's posted on Facebook. That's left on Facebook. Facebook doesn't take it down. 0.99

00:29:43.500 So should we expect social media companies to act or should we require them to act?

00:29:47.740 So I should clarify that my expectations have to fall within the electoral context at this point

00:29:54.780 as I'm Minister of Democratic Institutions. However, that being said, I think that we are moving

00:30:02.220 in a direction where we need to require social media companies to act. That is outside the scope of my

00:30:08.620 specific mandate right now. But I think that when we have very clear evidence that they are

00:30:17.660 contravening laws here in Canada, that they should be acting responsibly in that manner.

00:30:24.940 That's the liberal line. That's the liberal plan. Michael Wernick, that extremist clerk is saying it.

00:30:31.180 Karina Gould is saying it. Rad Sany is saying it.

00:30:34.620 This latest guy, Nathaniel, is saying it. They think the convoy that went to Ottawa asking for

00:30:41.340 pipelines to be built, they think these people are the criminals. Because some anonymous person on

00:30:46.940 Facebook purportedly called Trudeau a traitor. The law needs to act. Now, calling Trudeau a traitor might

00:30:54.140 be rude. But it's not a crime to be rude to politicians. The CBC liberals called Stephen Harper a Nazi.

00:31:03.660 They called him Stasi Steve and Herr Hitler. Remember this?

00:31:08.220 So, help save poor Stasi Steve this season. God knows Herr Harper doesn't have enough sense to

00:31:17.260 save himself. Herr Harper, that's delicious. So that's fine. That's fine discourse. That's the

00:31:26.380 government of Canada's Mary Walsh. That's fine discourse. By the way,

00:31:32.460 here's a massive petition a couple years back. Arrest and charge Stephen Harper for treason.

00:31:37.340 This was promoted in the mainstream media, calling for the RCMP to actually arrest Harper for treason.

00:31:42.540 More than 10,000 signatures on it. See, that was fine. Way, way back four years ago,

00:31:48.540 when the target of that hate was Stephen Harper. But today, Facebook needs to be regulated to tone it

00:31:54.700 down. Because Trudeau is the prime minister. And we need a government agency telling us what to believe,

00:31:59.820 and what not to believe. And the best the conservatives have in reply is to compliment

00:32:05.100 the chief censor on how fashionable she looks, and to tell her to censor harder and faster. 1.00

00:32:11.980 Oh, they will. Oh, they will. Stay with us for more.

00:32:14.860 For a period of approximately four months between September and December of 2018,

00:32:35.500 I experienced a consistent and sustained effort by many people within the government to seek to

00:32:41.980 politically interfere in the exercise of prosecutorial discretion in my role as the Attorney General

00:32:48.540 of Canada in an inappropriate effort to secure a deferred prosecution agreement with SNC-Lavalin.

00:32:54.860 It was important for Jody Wilson-Raybould to speak openly at the Justice Committee today,

00:33:00.620 and I'm glad she had the chance to do so. I strongly maintain, as I have from the beginning,

00:33:08.140 that I and my staff always acted appropriately and professionally. I therefore completely disagree

00:33:18.140 with the former Attorney General's characterization of events.

00:33:21.980 Well, there you have it. As we showed you in great length yesterday, over an hour's worth of

00:33:28.220 commentary, Jody Wilson-Raybould meticulously laid out a very complicated campaign to get her

00:33:35.660 to drop the criminal charges against SNC-Lavalin. Ten different phone calls, ten different meetings,

00:33:43.660 emails, text messages, threats, bullying, including from the Prime Minister himself. And you saw he simply

00:33:51.340 waved it off yesterday at a partisan event. He didn't refute any of the details. He just said,

00:33:56.700 no, no, I'm going to brazen it out. Well, will he get away with it? One person I've been following

00:34:02.700 very carefully on Twitter to help me analyze the situation is our friend Manny Montenegrino.

00:34:09.420 He is the boss of a consultancy, a think tank, a one-man think tank in Ottawa. But for our purposes,

00:34:15.980 he's also the former lawyer to Stephen Harper and a former national manager of a major law firm.

00:34:24.220 Manny joins us now via Skype. Manny, I can hardly wait to hear your take on things. Jump right in.

00:34:30.140 What do you make of yesterday's events? Well, there is so much, Ezra. And I can stand here and say,

00:34:36.540 as a lawyer, I am deeply, deeply offended. As a Canadian, I am deeply, deeply offended.

00:34:43.500 I bring to you, Ezra, from a legal perspective of what happened. And when problems like this emerge,

00:34:51.020 the very first thing I do is look at the criminal code, look at the act. Section 139.1 says,

00:34:59.500 everyone who willfully attempts in any manner to obstruct, pervert, or defeat the course of a judicial

00:35:08.380 proceeding is subject to a criminal penalty. Now, those words are pretty simple. It says,

00:35:15.660 in any manner who willfully attempts. You listened to the ex-Attorney General,

00:35:21.900 her timeline was, it was persistent and it continued. It went for four months, unabated,

00:35:30.140 10 meetings, 11 emails, 11 people involved. The prime minister got 11 people involved to try to

00:35:39.420 defeat the course of a judicial proceeding. It was willful. It was in any manner. Normally,

00:35:46.300 the legislation thinks about one or two meetings. This is far past meets the test of 139.1.

00:35:53.420 Ezra, there is even, it's even worse than that. I noted from the testimony of the Attorney General,

00:36:02.460 as she then was, she made a point that alarmed me and it hasn't been picked up. And that is,

00:36:09.900 is the SNC-Lavalin received a lawyer from the directors of prosecution, received a letter saying,

00:36:16.860 we will not proceed with a DPA. That was in October. What SNC-Lavalin did immediately,

00:36:27.100 which they have the right to do, is go on a motion to a judge to say that the Attorney General is wrong.

00:36:34.780 And that's, they're entitled to do that. They could go to a court and say, we're entitled to the DPA.

00:36:39.180 Now, think of this, Ezra. We now have the Attorney General who said in September,

00:36:45.020 we are not moving with a DPA. The Attorney General on September 17th tells the prime minister,

00:36:51.740 we are not moving with a DPA. Legal counsel for SNC-Lavalin take a motion to the court. There's an

00:36:59.820 active motion before a judge. And they continue the persistent lobbying and trying to manipulate and

00:37:08.540 thwart the course of justice while there is a case before the courts. Right. I mean, that,

00:37:14.140 that, that is, that is unprecedented. Let me jump in just for our viewers. As we described yesterday,

00:37:21.260 DPA is Deferred Prosecution Agreement. Manny, I know you're a lawyer and that's a second nature to you.

00:37:27.740 That's basically a fancy way of saying a plea bargain where this large engineering firm, SNC-Lavalin,

00:37:33.820 I could avoid the messiness and embarrassment of a trial and just basically pay money and say,

00:37:38.860 yeah, we did it. Don't take it to court. So, but you make such an important point, Manny, is that

00:37:46.220 this wasn't just saying, hey, prosecutors don't prosecute us anymore. The decision was made to

00:37:51.740 prosecute. The decision was made not to give them a plea bargain. They properly appealed that to a judge.

00:37:58.380 Right. And still Trudeau and Butts and team, they still tried to, to, to roll Jody Wilson-Raybould,

00:38:07.900 even though it was before a judge now. That is enormously important that everyone skipped over.

00:38:15.500 There is an active case before a court and they are still trying to manipulate and thwart justice.

00:38:23.180 Now, Ezra, as well, you have to look. I, I was so impressed with the testimony of the ex-attorney

00:38:31.260 general. She stood there for four hours. Her testimony was extremely credible. And why do I say

00:38:38.060 that? It was sworn to a testimony. She was detailed. She was meticulous. She took

00:38:45.500 comprehensive notes throughout the whole four months. She repeated the notes. She had details in time.

00:38:53.340 hers was not a political speech. And in law, when you have a witness that is, is giving evidence

00:39:02.220 against their own interests, we have a liberal cabinet minister that is destroying her career 1.00

00:39:09.900 and future. There can't be a higher point of credibility of a witness. Every word that woman has

00:39:17.500 said, every word that she had said is extremely credible. There were no political machinations,

00:39:25.980 unlike the clerk. So when you look at the testimony, she is, she is just maybe destroying 0.99

00:39:32.700 her political career in order to get to the truth. That is credible. And that has to be given extreme 1.00

00:39:38.940 great weight. You know, that's such a good point. And Trudeau, who later said, oh, no, it's not true.

00:39:45.020 No specificity, no specific refutations. In fact, he later said, oh, I didn't watch it. But whatever it

00:39:50.860 was, it wasn't true. Let me let me say one thing. And Manny, you would have more experience than this

00:39:56.540 at this than me. The attorney general, I mean, law is, is all about paperwork. There's a paper trail

00:40:05.660 for everything. Everything's filed in triplicate, quadruplicate, copies here and there, files,

00:40:10.540 notes. The civil service is very bureaucratic. I mean, you can call it red tape if you like,

00:40:16.860 but nothing moves without paperwork. So if Jody Wilson-Raybould claims these phone calls happened,

00:40:22.460 claims these meetings happened, there is undoubtedly minutes and memos and meetings and schedules and

00:40:28.460 calendars. So I don't think it's even possible that she could be fibbing about if a meeting happened.

00:40:35.500 And there were so many other people involved in these meetings, her deputy minister, her chief of

00:40:41.500 staff, various advisors. It, I think it's absolutely credible that these things happen. Yeah. But,

00:40:49.100 but go ahead. I wouldn't spend a second trying to challenge the testimony of Jody, our attorney,

00:40:57.660 our ex attorney general. I wouldn't spend a second. But here's my other, here's the other side of that

00:41:02.140 coin, Manny. And here's, you, you know, and you and I've talked about this briefly. There's another

00:41:07.900 case going on in Atlantic Canada right now, a vice admiral of the Navy who's been prosecuted

00:41:13.980 by the liberals, Scott Bryson resigned over it. And, and it came out that the PMO, that Justin Trudeau's

00:41:20.700 office had all these meetings about that case and they kept no notes. Well, the only group I've ever

00:41:28.620 heard of that has serious substantive meetings that don't keep notes is organized crime. They

00:41:34.140 don't write things down because they don't want to compare the, the, the gang that doesn't keep

00:41:40.380 notes to this meticulous, uh, straight arrow who's keeping a lot of notes. I know who I believe.

00:41:47.100 Well, yeah. And, and, and you know what, I don't, you don't have to go far when you're putting the

00:41:53.100 test of the credibility of, of our, the ex attorney general who basically has given up her, her standing,

00:42:01.660 her cabinet post, perhaps be kicked out of the caucus. We haven't seen that yet. Everything to

00:42:07.500 uphold the law versus the prime minister who has been found by an independent judiciary,

00:42:15.340 the ethics commissioner five times to be in breach of ethics. And also she found him not to be

00:42:22.380 credible in his testimony that the trip to the Aga Cannons private luxury island was because he was an

00:42:30.140 old friend that he hasn't seen for 30 years. The, the, the justice committee, the, the ethics commissioner,

00:42:36.540 a justice equivalent to a county, a judge said, I don't find you credible. She struck down that

00:42:44.220 evidence. So I don't need to be political about this. I have, I have a person that has been found

00:42:50.540 by a quasi court to be not credible. And I have the attorney general, ex attorney general, giving

00:42:57.500 everything up in order to speak the truth. I am well past that. So, um, when I, when I test credibility,

00:43:04.700 I, it's, it's, it's not a political and it's not a partisan thing that I'm doing here. I've got my

00:43:10.140 lawyer hat on. There's no question any judge in the world would take the credibility of the attorney

00:43:16.540 general who is acting against her own personal interests. Whereas the prime minister is trying

00:43:21.580 to keep his job. Uh, there's no question as to who's more credible in this, in this, uh, whole, um,

00:43:27.740 saga. Um, now, now let me, yeah, you know, I am so offended and, and I'm glad to see, uh,

00:43:35.500 Jody Wilson-Raybould's father come to her defense. I, I, I, for some reason or another, uh, I feel a

00:43:41.020 kinship to him because I have a wonderful, strong daughter as he does, but he's coming to her defense.

00:43:47.020 And, and for, for the prime minister sit there after hearing the testimony and saying that, well,

00:43:54.060 it's, it's, it's, uh, it was always her decision. You know, let me give you an analogy, uh, Ezra.

00:43:59.980 This is like a guy who spent four months with 11 people to knock over a bank and, and, and, and,

00:44:07.580 and he's in the bank and, and he finds this really strong principled bank manager that holds him at bay

00:44:15.180 and kicks him out. And then he comes out of there, the bank robber to the police and says, well, wait a

00:44:21.820 minute. She, it was always her, uh, decision to give me the money. She has not given me the money.

00:44:27.900 So therefore everything's okay. That's not how the law works. It's an attempt to obstruct justice.

00:44:33.660 It isn't trying to, the reason why he wasn't successful is because of Jody Wilson-Raybould.

00:44:39.740 The reason why he didn't succeed in taking the money from the bank is because the bank manager

00:44:46.460 was principled and stopped it. Right. You know, let's put up on the screen one more time,

00:44:50.780 section 139. One of the criminal code, because you pointed out to me, look at the language there.

00:44:57.180 Uh, everyone who willfully attempts in any manner. So you just have to attempt, you don't have to be

00:45:04.860 successful and it can be in any manner. It doesn't have to be an undue manner or a heavy manner.

00:45:11.500 Every one who willfully attempts in any manner. And let me put up section 139 too, just for one

00:45:17.020 second here, because 139 too, uh, this is the next paragraph. I'm just going to read this out,

00:45:21.740 Manny obstructing justice. Everyone who willfully attempts in any manner, other than a manner 0.83

00:45:27.100 described in subsection one to obstruct, pervert, or defeat the course of justice is guilty of an

00:45:32.860 indictable offense and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years. So this is heavy

00:45:40.700 duty. I have a question for you. Um, you've been talking about the ethics commissioner, Manny,

00:45:46.940 but that the worst that will happen. I mean, Trudeau was convicted four times, five times by the

00:45:50.620 ethics. Slap on the wrist. But this is the criminal code. Will the cops get involved, Manny?

00:45:56.060 I think they have to get involved. And, and, and, and let me tell you again, I go to the testimony

00:46:02.060 of our ex attorney general. She said she has a text from Gerald Butts written confirmation

00:46:09.500 where he says there is no solution that doesn't include interference interference with the attorney

00:46:15.980 general. They understood that she stood aground and there's no solution to what the prime minister

00:46:21.980 wanted other than interference. That is an admission of section 139 one breach. I mean, it is,

00:46:28.060 you can't get any more clear. So I say you, when you ask me, Ezra, I compared to what happened to

00:46:35.340 Senator Duffy, Senator Duffy, there was no sworn testimony. There was nothing except accusations of

00:46:44.060 his expensing improperly $90,000, expensing a senator that has the ability to expense out of his own

00:46:54.140 expense account, $90,000. It was paid back, but there was still enough talk that the RCMP felt

00:47:02.700 that they had to investigate. There were no sworn testimony. We have a sworn testimony testimony from

00:47:08.700 the highest lawmaker of Canada that's there protecting our judiciary. We have a sworn testimony,

00:47:17.420 four hours of evidence saying there was a four-month sustained, persistent attempt to breach the natural

00:47:26.060 flow of justice, to breach a judicial proceeding. That wasn't there for Duffy. And so when you ask me,

00:47:35.500 should the RCMP get involved? I cannot see how they cannot get involved, given what they did with Duffy.

00:47:44.300 Here's what has to happen, Ezra. Number one, there has to be a full and wholesome investigation by the RCMP.

00:47:51.100 Number two, there has to be charges laid, because I can just simply myself point to, as I did with the

00:47:58.860 text and the evidence given by the Attorney General, there are charges laid. And of course, and let me be

00:48:04.220 very clear, everyone enjoys the due process, the presumption of innocence, and the only people that

00:48:14.220 can decide as to whether there is a criminal code breach is not the Attorney General, it's not Manny,

00:48:21.100 it's not you, it's not any media, it's no one, it is a court. It is a judge where there's a wholesome

00:48:27.180 proceeding. And if that happens, then that is where there's either guilt or not guilty.

00:48:33.180 So, so it has to happen, in my opinion. Yeah. Well, yesterday, Jody Wilson-Raybould said something

00:48:40.060 that was that line about Gerald Butt saying there's going to be interference one way or another.

00:48:44.780 That's right. That's a smoking gun. But she also said that once they had run out of patience with her,

00:48:51.020 because she had blocked this for four months, that they said to her Chief of Staff,

00:48:56.140 or Deputy Minister, I can't remember which, they said, we're going to have a new Attorney General,

00:49:01.260 and the first thing he's going to do is deal with SNC-Levland. So they gave away the game. And again,

00:49:06.460 remember, this is corroborated by the other people, she says, the Chiefs of Staff, the Deputy Ministers.

00:49:13.100 So that new Attorney General is a Montreal old boy named David Lamedi, who is from McGill,

00:49:21.020 just like Trudeau and Gerald Butts. He's part of the liberal scene in that city. He was actually

00:49:27.340 lobbied directly by SNC-Levland, according to the Office of the Lobbyist Commissioner. And he said on TV

00:49:36.140 a couple of weeks ago that he felt no need to investigate because he took the Prime Minister at

00:49:41.500 his word. And he actually said he was still considering giving the plea bargain, the DPA-deferred

00:49:47.100 prosecution agreement to SNC-Levland. How can David Lamedi, the new Attorney General,

00:49:52.940 either stay on that position or even stay in the job, given what we saw yesterday?

00:49:58.460 David Lamedi

00:49:59.420 Ezra, I don't even want to mention that man's name. As a lawyer for 32 years,

00:50:05.260 he has offended every position and every tenet of the law. He is not worthy of it. He is the exact

00:50:18.700 opposite. How proud I felt of our ex-Attorney General reaching the highest form of ethics and duty to Canada.

00:50:28.780 He has, he is the polar opposite. And I don't even want to give him a second of time. He is,

00:50:36.300 it is embarrassing that someone who is in charge of upholding Canada's laws says,

00:50:42.140 I won't even investigate. I won't even, I just accept the Prime Minister's word and moves along,

00:50:47.900 and is happy and gleeful that he's got the Cabinet post. He took the Cabinet post of the,

00:50:54.380 of a very ethical, you know, Indigenous woman. This old boy from Montreal took the Cabinet post

00:51:02.940 because he was prepared to, to, to sacrifice Canada's, uh, uh, judicial system. Ezra, there's

00:51:09.500 another point that I, that as you can see, I'm, I'm charged up and, uh, and, and, and it's because

00:51:14.780 it's a lot because it's, it affects everything that I've done for 32 years. It's an attack on,

00:51:20.140 on, on my profession. It's attack on law. It's attack on Canada. This country is great

00:51:26.300 because we have a great judicial system. Simple. Now, this is where that it really gets emotional

00:51:33.900 for me. Um, as you know, Ezra, on December 12th, two Canadians were, were kidnapped and put in jail

00:51:42.300 in China because there's a retaliation for the Huawei CEO being put in custody in Canada.

00:51:50.060 These two Canadians and one other Canadian got his sentence changed, uh, to a, to a 10 year to,

00:51:56.140 to death. We are going to lose a Canadian. He's going to die. And two other Canadians are there. 1.00

00:52:02.940 And 13 others were also, but this happened on December 12th. Ezra, the timeline is very important.

00:52:09.260 On December 12th, Canadians were, were, were caught and the prime minister, I don't know how,

00:52:15.580 how despicable a person can do by sitting, is watching Canadians. The prime minister is there

00:52:21.500 to protect Canadians, to sit there and go on TV and say, we can't do anything because we are a rule

00:52:27.580 of law country. While he has been spending four months to try to help another company, not, not Huawei,

00:52:34.700 S and C. I mean, I don't care which company you talk about, but he's trying four months.

00:52:39.420 And on December 19th, seven days after the full force pressure with the clerk of the privy council

00:52:47.020 under the prime minister's thumb, trying to force the attorney general to, to, to break a rule of law

00:52:53.260 while Canadians are sitting in jail. And he, he lets them pair. There can be no greater offense to me, 0.72

00:53:01.740 a person who believes in natural justice, a person who believes in Canadians, a person who believes

00:53:06.700 that the prime minister has to protect every Canadian to sit there, letting people rot in jail

00:53:12.620 for our rule of law, while he breaks the rule of law for S and C. Lavalin. Yeah. That's a very powerful

00:53:19.340 contrast. Uh, I want to ask you, um, about something I've seen on Twitter. Uh, I mean, we all

00:53:27.260 watched, we were really, I was riveted and like you, I was, I was emotionally touched by the fact

00:53:31.900 that someone would take such an ethical stance. I can't imagine standing up to the prime minister

00:53:38.060 and 10 of his henchmen and looking him in the eye and saying, I will not move that. I don't know where

00:53:42.700 she got that courage, obviously from her dad, who's was a fighter in his own day too. And her name,

00:53:48.300 her name is, I mean, her, her, her, her indigenous name, her indigenous name. And, and, and, and she

00:53:54.860 says, I come from a matriarch of people that speak to truth. This, Ezra, if you go back in my tweets,

00:54:02.540 I called it from the beginning. A lot of people are saying, Oh no, it's a setup. I saw this. I don't

00:54:07.100 know, uh, the ex attorney general, but what I saw was in a completely principled individual,

00:54:12.700 a, from a strong family. And I saw that this would happen. Yeah. I've never seen anything

00:54:18.060 like it in my whole life in Canada. Now I was, I was recording my show last night. Uh, so I didn't

00:54:23.900 see it live, but I saw on Twitter that she was asked, why did you stay in cabinet at all given

00:54:29.420 what happened? And I, I haven't watched the video clip myself to verify, but I read that someone

00:54:34.580 reported that her answer was because I wanted to stay in cabinet to make sure he didn't sneak this

00:54:39.980 deal through. Even after I left, that's, that's an incredible statement. So she actually stayed

00:54:46.220 around to see that through to justice. If, if that report I read is accurate, that's amazing.

00:54:53.580 That's exactly what she said. And that is why, you know, I, you know, she is incredibly credible.

00:54:59.180 Oh, why? And it is offensive to me. I mean, I sit there and, and, and cringe when I saw the, the,

00:55:07.260 the, uh, justice committee lawyers. And I tweeted about it, the liberal, sorry, not the lawyers,

00:55:12.460 the justice committee MPs, uh, questioned the liberals questioning her and her integrity. 0.87

00:55:18.140 And I was saying, how foolish you have a witness that is, that is totally credible. And you're asking, 0.92

00:55:25.180 well, why didn't you come forward sooner? Why did it was embarrassing? They should be ashamed of

00:55:31.260 themselves. But these are, these, you know, for lack of a better word, these are punks trying to

00:55:36.940 try outsmart a very smart lawyer. And, uh, and I laughed at it. I would have let the liberals keep

00:55:43.580 asking questions till, till, till, till me, because they were doing themselves more harm. It is, uh, it is,

00:55:50.620 uh, you know, as a, to kind of look at everything, uh, and, and, and there's so much about this case that

00:55:57.820 people have to look at. We have seen that clearly the prime minister and 11 others are prepared to

00:56:05.100 corrupt the rule of law. I mean, that is without question, but there's something else that we need

00:56:10.220 to talk about Ezra. And that also came out by, but with, with, with, uh, the testimony, the chief of

00:56:17.980 staff, uh, Telford, she said to the attorney general, I know it's not your opinion, but if you change your

00:56:26.780 mind, we can get a lot of friendly, I don't know if she used the word friendly, but a lot of op-eds in

00:56:32.780 a lot of journals to support your new illegal decision. Now, now Ezra, I, I believe, I believe

00:56:41.580 in the media. I think a great country needs an independent free thinking media. You see me tweeting

00:56:48.460 all the time when I see biased media. I think as much as I think that the law is the most important,

00:56:55.340 uh, uh, uh, thing that a great country can have and basically a free, uh, unencumbered, uh, judicial

00:57:04.380 system. I believe that the second, if not close to first is a free media. We have an admission by the

00:57:13.500 attorney general of Canada or then was that the prime minister has available to him media at his

00:57:21.980 beck and call to set the narrative of what may be an illegal act. And that to me, so Ezra, I look at

00:57:30.780 the corruption, the possible corruption of the justice system. I look at the admitted corruption of the free

00:57:39.500 media, our, our independent media. And then the third one, which really, uh, also bothers me is

00:57:46.220 a corruption of our, of our bureaucracy, our independent bureaucracy, the testimony of, of

00:57:52.780 Michael Wernick compared to the testimony of, of, uh, the ex attorney general. I mean, he was more

00:58:00.700 biased than, than David Lamedi in his, in his, in his trumping the, the, the liberal brand

00:58:09.340 and helping Justin Trudeau. So what this whole case, when I look at it and I carefully looked at

00:58:15.660 it hours and hours and hours is we have evidence of corruption of our judicial system. We have

00:58:21.500 evidence of corruption of our independent media, and we have evidence of corruption of our independent

00:58:26.940 bureaucracy. And then this is not, these are not, these are provable facts from the words of the

00:58:34.060 attorney general. When you have the three most important things being corrupted by a government,

00:58:40.540 it, it, we are no longer Canada. We are Venezuela, Cuba. I don't care where, what analogy you want to

00:58:49.180 use, but when you are corrupting the independence of our judiciary, when you are corrupting the

00:58:54.220 independence of our media, and I don't want to get into that $600 million. I I'm trying to stay

00:58:59.740 straight with the facts and the evidence that the attorney general gave. And when you have a clerk

00:59:04.620 trying to incite and emote Canadians and gave a political speech and you saw the, the ex attorney

00:59:12.140 general, it wasn't politics and she's a politician. It was pure fact. That's what we should have heard 0.99

00:59:17.980 from Michael Werner. Wow. We're talking with Manny Montanagrino, former managing partner of a national

00:59:23.740 law firm and the CEO of ThinkSharp. Manny, you've been very generous with your time and

00:59:28.620 very thoughtful analysis. I have two final questions for you. Um, I, I've seen on Twitter

00:59:34.940 this morning, Christia Freeland, the foreign minister saying that she believes Jody Wilson-Raybould.

00:59:41.580 And I, and I, and I'm sure she does. And I see Selena, Selena Cesar Chavanis, another Toronto area MP,

00:59:49.340 uh, who was parliamentary secretary to Trudeau. Now she's parliamentary secretary for some other

00:59:53.820 thing. So these are a front bench cabinet minister, Christia Freeland and a parliamentary secretary,

00:59:59.820 which is a pretty good gig. It's like a junior cabinet minister. They're both saying they believe

01:00:05.180 her, but neither of them has stepped down from cabinet and they're just giving this virtue signaling

01:00:13.180 tweet. How, what should a liberal do if a liberal watched what we watched and felt how we felt. And

01:00:20.700 as Freeland and Cesar Chavanis say, they feel what's the right thing for them to do. I've, I don't think

01:00:27.100 it's, um, I don't think it's sustainable to say, I believe these charges of corruption against Trudeau,

01:00:33.500 but I'm willing to remain in Trudeau's cabinet. What should these women do? What should any women 1.00

01:00:38.140 or men in caucus or cabinet do? Well, clearly, I mean, what should happen and, uh, Andrew Scherr of

01:00:45.020 the conservative party got it right. He said that the prime minister has to step down. You have serious

01:00:50.460 allegations of, of criminal conduct by 11 people in your close top circle. There's nothing else you

01:00:58.860 can do, but step down. And if he steps down, they can stay in place and do their job and be great

01:01:04.540 liberals and do, and, and, and, and, and move towards, you know, their, their common goal.

01:01:09.740 But if he does not step down, you're right. They are put in a position. Now, what I think is happening,

01:01:15.740 Ezra, I mean, which is just absurd. There's so much evidence of, of culpability. You have Gerald

01:01:22.300 Butts who left, resigned. You cannot say your best friend, prime minister, you've known since,

01:01:29.740 since, since university, your closest friend resigns and you say there's nothing there. Now,

01:01:37.260 you know, that can't be true. So, so you have, and by the way, it was Gerald Butts who recruited,

01:01:45.260 uh, the ex, um, uh, attorney general. They are friends prior that he recruited her. So, uh,

01:01:52.060 Jody was recruited by Gerald Butts. So when you have Jody, so that's why he's resigned. He knows

01:01:58.300 that he's in deep trouble. So when you asked me that question, it's an interesting, you have

01:02:04.540 a liberal MP who stood under oath and said, I don't trust the cabinet. I don't trust the prime

01:02:12.620 minister or pretty much laid out a criminal case against the prime minister. And she still remains 0.89

01:02:18.780 a liberal. And the prime minister was asked, are you going to get rid of her? Well, let me think about

01:02:24.460 that. Well, you know why he can't get rid of her because the moment he gets rid of the most ethical

01:02:29.900 liberal in that party, and I'm sure, I'm sure she's got great support is when they will all step

01:02:36.060 down. So, so, so that's why they're not stepping down because there's faint hope that the prime

01:02:41.500 minister might do something right. There's, and, and, you know, I, I loved, uh, Jody's testimony

01:02:47.020 when she said, uh, why did, you know, when this, you know, just, just the foolish questions by the 0.97

01:02:52.620 liberal, uh, people on the justice committee, I mean, completely ignorant people who are trying 0.97

01:02:57.900 to cross-examine a very brilliant lawyer. But when she, and she replied to one of them, 0.91

01:03:02.860 and I forget which it was, but one of those, uh, and she said, I waited and waited. And I,

01:03:09.740 I took the prime minister after the December 19th. Why didn't you do something? Why didn't you stand up?

01:03:15.340 Because I took the prime minister's word. She felt that the prime minister finally got the message

01:03:21.740 until she got kicked out of her position. These fools on the justice committee, these liberal 0.99

01:03:28.700 fools don't understand the gravity and don't understand the, the, the force that they are, 1.00

01:03:34.860 they are, uh, uh, against. And Judy Wilson-Raybould is, I tell you, I have seen, you know, 0.99

01:03:42.380 hundreds and hundreds of lawyers and, and I've been with great lawyers. And let me tell you,

01:03:47.260 I have never been more impressed, uh, with, uh, with her testimony and more impressed with her, uh,

01:03:53.340 with her, uh, uh, uh, protection of, of, of Canadian law. And what I love about it, Ezra,

01:03:59.820 and boy, you learn a lot in life. And, you know, even at my age, you learn a lot, but when the,

01:04:04.380 when the female Aboriginal lawyer, uh, Indigenous lawyer says, uh, that, that a lot of Canada's

01:04:13.980 problems with the Indigenous people were related to not observing the rule of law by a, by we'll say

01:04:22.220 the then corrupt government, this is the person that's speaking truth to justice.

01:04:27.660 Yeah. Isn't that true? I got one last question for you, man. As I mentioned earlier, uh, you're

01:04:32.860 not just a keen analyst and observer. You're not just someone who has a lot of experience with

01:04:37.740 lawyers running a large firm, but you yourself were an advisor, the lawyer to a prime minister,

01:04:45.980 Stephen Harper. Right. So I want to give you a tough question, put aside your own moral and

01:04:53.180 political thoughts on things and pretend for a moment that you were the private lawyer to Justin

01:04:59.100 Trudeau. So your duty is to your client, Trudeau. What legal advice would you give Justin Trudeau

01:05:08.140 having seen what you've seen? Well, I mean, right now, I think, um, the ex attorney general, Jody,

01:05:15.580 uh, did give her great advice. I thought she was brilliant advising the prime minister that be

01:05:22.460 careful. You are treading. This is September. You're treading on very, very dangerous ground.

01:05:28.460 Uh, he does not listen to good advice. I mean, it's clearly, I mean, I could go through so, but if I

01:05:36.460 were advising him and if I were advising the 11 people named, I would, I would get a big horn. One of those

01:05:45.180 big horns going to, and just, and let out that big fog horn to get them out of their arrogant, 0.53

01:05:53.100 self-loving world that they think they're in with all the power, because the law is a different world.

01:06:00.140 Uh, I can't believe how many times, and I've been in meetings as well, as you know, uh, the problem

01:06:05.980 with the PMO as it stands now, there isn't a lawyer in there. I don't think there is. I, I mean, I,

01:06:11.180 I looked, I tried to find out. I know Jerry Butch is an lawyer. I know the prime minister is an

01:06:15.260 lawyer. I know Kay Telford's not a lawyer. There are no lawyers in there. A lawyer would have said,

01:06:20.300 in that room, would have said, uh, guys, wake up. This is, we're into serious stuff. So there

01:06:25.180 isn't a lawyer in that room. So the advice I give to the, to, to everyone there now,

01:06:31.500 get yourself a very good criminal lawyer. As for the prime minister, I mean, you know,

01:06:37.980 you know, I, I would love to see him resign. I mean, sometimes, you know, you know, the attorney

01:06:44.220 general put Canada ahead of her political career, ahead of her job. You would expect that the prime 0.98

01:06:49.580 minister do the same. And he, and, and he is the last person that would put Canada ahead of anything

01:06:54.540 that, that, that, that, that he seeks or desires. And we've seen too many examples of that.

01:06:59.260 Wow. Well, another masterclass in law, politics, and patriotism by our friend,

01:07:05.260 Manny Montenegrino. What a great pleasure. Thank you so much, not only for your time,

01:07:09.820 but for your wisdom. It's clear you have studied this very carefully. In fact, I, I'm going to follow

01:07:14.460 up on my own time. Some of the, the leads you've mentioned here today, Manny, just great to have

01:07:19.500 you with us today. Thank you. No problem, Ezra.

01:07:21.900 There you have it. Manny Montenegrino, the CEO of ThinkSharp and former lawyer to Stephen Harper.

01:07:27.820 Stay with us. More ahead on The Rebel.

01:07:41.660 Hey, welcome back to my show yesterday about Jody Wilson-Raybould's testimony and the SNC-Lavalin

01:07:45.820 scandal. Liza writes, 0.68

01:07:47.340 There's no way that Canadians can trust anyone in Justin's cabinet now. How can this government

01:07:52.620 perform its job for Canada after this? I wonder just how deep this corruption goes. They are all

01:07:57.340 tainted now. You know, it's funny. I see, uh, for example, Christia Freeland and Selena Cesar

01:08:04.940 Chavannes saying, we, we believe you, sister, solidarity, feminists forever. They say they believe

01:08:12.140 Jody Wilson-Raybould, and I think it's wise to believe her. I think she's very credible as Manny

01:08:15.980 Montenegrino explained. Um, so why are you still in cabinet?

01:08:21.420 So you totally stand with Jody Wilson-Raybould, but actually you're standing in cabinet because

01:08:27.580 you love your limo and driver and boosted salary and all the travel. Yeah. Christia Freeland will 1.00

01:08:34.060 never quit on principle, uh, because she doesn't have principles. She prefers to jet set around

01:08:38.700 and swan around. And she loves that look that Justin Trudeau gives her when they'll lock eyes.

01:08:45.100 He's got this weird thing he does with all of his female cabinet ministers. He, he's not just a close

01:08:49.900 talker. He literally touches foreheads with them and he embraces them in a weird way that surely drives

01:08:56.700 his wife Sophie crazy. Linda writes, she wouldn't go along with their wink, wink, nod, nod crap. 1.00

01:09:03.900 I want to jump up and down and cheer. Last truth is a chance. Yeah. I got to say, I mean, I, I don't 0.98

01:09:08.300 even want to say anymore that I disagree with some of Jody Wilson-Raybould's politics and ideology,

01:09:12.300 because that is not a, that is so irrelevant. I mean, she could be a communist for all I care

01:09:18.380 about the present matter, which is the rule of law. She's not a communist. The rule of law,

01:09:24.220 that no one's above it or below it. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. You can't

01:09:29.260 sneak your way out of it. You can't lobby your way out of it. You committed a crime. You're going

01:09:32.460 to be prosecuted. Oh, I love the fact that she stood for that. And yes, I, I find it also delicious,

01:09:39.980 the irony that she's an Aboriginal woman who's, who understands the essence of Queen Elizabeth's laws 1.00

01:09:47.180 and our legal tradition, going back to the Magna Carta and even earlier. Yes. I love that delicious

01:09:51.580 irony. I love the fact that Justin Trudeau thought that she was just a token, a double token,

01:09:56.620 a woman and a minority. Oh, surely she'll understand I'm the source of all her power. No, 1.00

01:10:01.420 no, no. Isn't it perfect that she was the only one with principle? And I say again,

01:10:09.420 do you really think this is the only time that Trudeau and Butts and crew have done this?

01:10:14.380 Or is it more likely this is the only time there was one honest person who stood up to them?

01:10:19.260 Hmm. Billy writes, the Libranos attempted to interfere in the judicial process while admitting

01:10:25.340 the reason was for reelection of the provincial and federal liberals. That's called election

01:10:29.420 rigging. Yeah, exactly. Today I did my show on foreign meddling. Foreigners didn't meddle in our

01:10:35.420 court system now, did they? And that was Justin Trudeau. On rebel reporters being assaulted,

01:10:41.740 Rich writes, three rebel reporters were assaulted by common street thugs and not a word of it was heard

01:10:46.780 from the mainstream media. However, a CBC reporter was jokingly licked on the ear by some performer

01:10:51.820 at a comedy club and all hell breaks loose in the hallowed halls of the anointed ones. Yeah, 1.00

01:10:56.700 you know, I saw that. It was really gross, by the way. And I should point out that that weird ear

01:11:02.140 licker is a CBC talent. He actually had a role on the show Little Mosque on the Prairies. He played the

01:11:08.460 dumb redneck. Oh, I'm just a dumb redneck. They had the dumb redneck on there to show how 1.00

01:11:14.060 modern, progressive, and thoughtful the Little Mosque on the Prairies was. So he played Joe 0.99

01:11:18.140 Peterson. I'm just a dumb redneck. So it was a CBC talent that licked the ear of a CBC journalist. 1.00

01:11:24.780 It was super gross. On Facebook censorship and Tommy Robinson, Nicky writes,

01:11:29.980 I am blocked from posting these. I asked them to review. They reviewed it saying I had broken their

01:11:34.700 standards and closed the case, yet others have got it on and it's not deleted. So I guess they know I

01:11:40.380 support Tommy. Here's the pictures. And Nicky sends along. So you can see here, just oh, Tommy, Tommy.

01:11:48.060 And they're saying, literally, this is against their terms of service. Show another one.

01:11:58.620 We've reviewed your photo and it doesn't follow our community standards. Case closed. Your temporary

01:12:04.060 block from posting. The block will last three days. You won't be able to post on Facebook till it's

01:12:08.620 finished. If you post something again, you'll be blocked for seven days. And then again, even longer,

01:12:14.540 just for saying, Tommy, Tommy, Tommy Robinson. Just saying those words. It's like Voldemort. You

01:12:21.660 can't even get to whisper. Oh, I like this guy, Tommy Robinson. That's Facebook in the UK today.

01:12:29.740 And that's what Karina Gould and Raj Sany and the rest of the liberals want in Canada today. And all the

01:12:39.340 conservative MP can say is, why don't you just do it and look fabulous? We're doomed. On that happy

01:12:48.220 note, let me wish you good night. Until tomorrow, keep fighting for freedom.

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