Rebel News Podcast - Protests in D.C. Turn Violent

00:00:00.260 Hello, my Rebels. A very special show tonight. It's on the events in Washington, D.C.

00:00:05.520 Started off as a protest, turned into a bit of a mob, an anarchic mob. I'd even call it a bit of a

00:00:12.240 riot. I'll talk about it, give you my own thoughts, and then we'll talk to Joel Pollack. Before I do,

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00:00:47.420 Tonight, protests in Washington, D.C. turn violent. It's January 6th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:03.360 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:09.340 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:13.400 The only thing I have to say to the government, the wire publisher, is because it's my bloody

00:01:18.280 right to do so.

00:01:24.060 24 hours is an enormous amount of time in politics, isn't it? I had planned to do a monologue

00:01:30.180 about the political setback in the state of Georgia last night. Just to recap, Georgia had

00:01:36.880 two special Senate elections last night because they have a rule that you have to get 50% of the

00:01:43.700 vote or more in a general election, or they go to a runoff between the top two. So there were two

00:01:49.760 seats up for grabs. The Democrats won both of them with less than a percentage margin,

00:01:56.240 giving control of the Senate to the Democrats. So now, the House of Representatives, the Presidency,

00:02:04.220 and the Senate are in the hands of the Democrats, all three of them. That gives no checks and balances.

00:02:11.660 And now the radicals, like the squad, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, and the rest,

00:02:17.540 can do the radical things they've been talking about, including making permanent,

00:02:21.080 irrevocable changes, like packing the court, a phrase meant adding so many more judges to the

00:02:28.360 Supreme Court that you can instantly flip it hard left wing, or a massive immigration amnesty for

00:02:34.480 illegals, for example, things that could never be come back from politically. That's what I was 0.80

00:02:39.480 going to talk about. I was going to talk a little bit about the two terrible senators who were just

00:02:44.300 elected, John Osef and Raphael Warnock. But events overtook it. And that's why I'm sort of riffing

00:02:50.840 from a notepad, because things have happened literally up to the minute. Today, there were

00:02:56.120 massive protests in Washington, D.C. In fact, we sent our own Key and Bextie down there to cover the

00:03:02.540 protests, stop the steel protests. And while there were, according to Key and hundreds of thousands of

00:03:09.320 peaceful protesters, there were a handful that went beyond mere protests. Now, let me give you a

00:03:16.240 flavor for things. Here's a clip of Key and talking to some of the people he met on the street. Take a

00:03:21.980 listen.

00:03:23.500 Do you think that Georgia was stolen in the same way as the presidency?

00:03:26.100 Absolutely.

00:03:27.460 What do you think happened? How could this have happened for a second time?

00:03:30.700 Because they're using the same voting machines. They're using the same voting machines,

00:03:35.180 but they've been trapped. We got them. I want to know what you hope Trump says today.

00:03:40.480 Oh, I think he's going to present devastating evidence of this massive election fraud.

00:03:47.280 And the subject, it's over.

00:03:49.380 What do you think happened in Georgia last night?

00:03:51.100 Ah, total fraud. They flipped all the votes in Dominion machines.

00:03:55.640 How could this have happened for a second time?

00:03:58.700 Who's watching?

00:04:00.040 I'm hoping that Trump says that he won and that we're not allowing this illegal steal of the election

00:04:04.620 in this communist coup for this country.

00:04:06.920 How do you feel about Georgia? What happened?

00:04:09.560 I don't know, but I knew ahead of time. I haven't stayed up to date on those news,

00:04:13.360 but I knew that they were going to cheat like they did before.

00:04:16.440 And I can guarantee you that President Trump monitored him while they did it.

00:04:19.700 I guess the thing is, is it's not so much what Trump says is what happens.

00:04:23.300 Amen, brother.

00:04:23.920 And we hope that the results of this election are fair and are accurate.

00:04:27.820 And if they are fair and accurate, Trump will undoubtedly be the winner.

00:04:30.580 We just have to count on our senators and our congressmen and women to stand up and do the right thing,

00:04:36.660 which I'm not sure they will, but I'm hoping and praying they do.

00:04:39.520 As for the schedule, those are strong political views, and you can agree with them or not,

00:04:42.960 but every one of those views was peaceful.

00:04:45.400 There were peaceful speeches and chants.

00:04:48.060 People were upset by what they thought was an unfair and unfree election.

00:04:52.760 And I have to agree, there were so many oddities, unfair and unfree,

00:04:58.980 but according to the courts, it was still a legal election,

00:05:02.600 in part because the courts had changed the way voting happened. 0.99

00:05:06.020 Using the pandemic as an excuse, mail-in votes were allowed.

00:05:10.440 I think that's what did it.

00:05:11.540 That was the great outcome of the pandemic panic.

00:05:15.180 But if you had hundreds of thousands of people around Capitol Hill,

00:05:18.740 some number of them scaled Capitol Hill itself,

00:05:23.080 and then a smaller number actually broke into the Capitol building itself.

00:05:29.760 Here, take a look at that.

00:05:30.720 Shocking footage.

00:05:48.860 I have some questions because I'm a natural skeptic.

00:05:52.020 It's been 20 years since 9-11.

00:05:54.700 Billions of dollars have been spent hardening Capitol Hill,

00:05:58.480 hardening the Pentagon and the White House.

00:06:01.500 Billions have been spent.

00:06:03.560 Is it really possible that a couple of dozen protesters,

00:06:08.160 armed with maybe sticks and flags,

00:06:11.660 could physically break their way into the Capitol building?

00:06:14.580 I don't know. Maybe it was a trap.

00:06:16.320 Maybe there were agents provocateurs.

00:06:18.300 Maybe the Capitol of a deep state,

00:06:20.400 where the Democrat-dominated FBI

00:06:23.080 and the Democrat-dominated Washington, D.C. Metro Police

00:06:26.860 and the Democrat-dominated deep state or headquartered.

00:06:29.980 Maybe they sort of, I don't know,

00:06:32.540 let the protesters in knowing what a PR disaster it would be.

00:06:36.680 That's just speculation on my part.

00:06:38.920 There were some incredible images.

00:06:40.660 People standing right in the hall of the debate.

00:06:43.800 People sitting in Nancy Pelosi's own chair.

00:06:47.660 Is that really possible for an unarmed ragamuffin to achieve? 1.00

00:06:52.260 And, of course, these protests were known for days or weeks in advance.

00:06:56.840 I'm scratching my head.

00:06:57.900 There's other things that seemed odd to me.

00:07:00.440 I've been watching conservative protests for years.

00:07:03.540 I've never in my life seen conservatives smash a window

00:07:07.380 or paint graffiti.

00:07:10.060 I saw that today.

00:07:11.380 I don't know.

00:07:11.820 Maybe that's the conspiratorial side of me.

00:07:14.060 I have no proof of anything.

00:07:16.520 I'm just asking questions because it seems odd to have violence on the right.

00:07:23.200 But, alas, there was violence in Trump's name.

00:07:25.980 They certainly made a point of wearing red Trump hats and carrying Trump flags.

00:07:31.840 I didn't like it.

00:07:33.740 For years, I've railed against political violence,

00:07:37.100 violence or the threat of violence for a political goal.

00:07:40.480 We have a name for that.

00:07:42.640 Terrorism.

00:07:43.200 And even if we are sympathetic to Donald Trump, which we are,

00:07:48.560 especially if we are sympathetic to Donald Trump,

00:07:51.860 we have to rule out violence.

00:07:54.100 That's one of the differences between being a supporter of the Republicans

00:07:57.840 or a supporter of the Democrats.

00:08:00.160 A lot of people were online saying that the left has taught the right this lesson.

00:08:04.920 I mean, going back a decade,

00:08:06.120 it was the Democrats that physically occupied and intimidated legislators in Wisconsin 0.95

00:08:12.940 when they broke the back of the Democrat-supported unions back then.

00:08:17.040 Over the years, we've seen people storm into Congress

00:08:20.080 in the Justice Kavanaugh confirmation hearings.

00:08:23.680 Steve Scalise, a high-ranking Republican,

00:08:26.780 was actually shot at a baseball game.

00:08:29.780 Senator Rand Paul was attacked and beaten so badly his ribs were broken.

00:08:34.680 He almost died.

00:08:36.960 And, of course, a summer of riots,

00:08:40.200 which CNN called mostly peaceful.

00:08:43.480 How can you forget those?

00:08:45.400 Violence all year long, not condemned by the media,

00:08:49.200 certainly not condemned by the Democrats.

00:08:50.980 In fact, need I remind you that the Democrats posted the bail

00:08:55.220 for anyone who was captured by police in this summer's riots.

00:09:00.780 Donald Trump put up this tweet saying he was going to list Antifa as a terrorist group.

00:09:06.860 Alas, he just didn't do it.

00:09:09.700 Antifa is not a terrorist group,

00:09:11.420 and in two weeks, Donald Trump will no longer be president.

00:09:14.840 So what comes next?

00:09:16.860 Well, the media will feast on this.

00:09:18.520 Like I say, you can have hundreds of thousands of peaceful protesters,

00:09:22.360 but the day will be colored by that handful of violent terrorists,

00:09:26.680 I'll use the word,

00:09:27.880 whether or not they're actually Donald Trump supporters

00:09:30.280 or provocateurs on the left,

00:09:31.980 will not be known until this narrative is fully cemented.

00:09:35.660 And the Democrats are tougher than Republicans.

00:09:38.600 That's the one thing that made Trump different.

00:09:40.800 He fought hard.

00:09:41.740 He was a fighter by nature.

00:09:43.320 And he fought till the very end.

00:09:45.200 You know Democrats would have done the same.

00:09:46.860 They did when Al Gore tried to win the election 20 years ago.

00:09:51.840 Donald Trump is unusual in that he fights hard,

00:09:54.800 unlike so many in the GOP establishment.

00:09:58.040 So now that you have total control of the American system

00:10:01.200 in the hands of the Democrats,

00:10:03.640 now that you have the presidency, the Senate, and the House of Representatives,

00:10:07.280 and the ability and the ambition to pack the courts,

00:10:10.660 I fear for the worst.

00:10:11.780 More than one Democrat strategist uses the phrase,

00:10:16.660 never let a crisis go to waste.

00:10:21.440 And I think they're going to do that.

00:10:23.220 I think you're going to see a deep vengeance on the left.

00:10:26.560 I think you're going to see an assault against conservative groups,

00:10:30.840 conservative speech,

00:10:32.720 conservative activism,

00:10:33.920 like you've never seen before,

00:10:35.580 using the excuse of domestic terrorism.

00:10:38.440 I think you'll see the media,

00:10:40.260 who has never cared about political violence,

00:10:42.620 suddenly become obsessed with it.

00:10:44.900 I think you'll see censorship on Twitter, YouTube, Facebook,

00:10:48.400 go to new heights.

00:10:49.880 Not just in a revenge to undo the Trump years,

00:10:54.220 but to silence the right and to perpetuate the left.

00:10:58.820 I think you're going to see a crackdown on freedom,

00:11:02.480 and in America,

00:11:03.520 on the First Amendment and Second Amendment,

00:11:05.060 like we have never seen before.

00:11:07.440 All in all,

00:11:09.240 a terrible day for America,

00:11:11.420 and a terrible day for conservatives.

00:11:14.540 What do you think?

00:11:15.900 Joining me next is Joel Pollack,

00:11:17.740 Senior Editor-at-Large at Breitbart.com.

00:11:20.300 I'll ask him what he thinks.

00:11:22.200 That's next.

00:11:24.220 I know you're pain.

00:11:36.520 I know you're hurt.

00:11:38.200 We had an election that was stolen from us.

00:11:42.160 It was a landslide election,

00:11:44.160 and everyone knows it,

00:11:45.900 especially the other side.

00:11:47.980 But you have to go home now.

00:11:50.340 We have to have peace.

00:11:51.980 We have to have law and order.

00:11:53.280 We have to respect our great people in law and order.

00:11:57.840 We don't want anybody hurt.

00:11:59.420 It's a very tough period of time.

00:12:01.680 There's never been a time like this

00:12:03.240 where such a thing happened,

00:12:05.920 where they could take it away from all of us,

00:12:08.220 from me, from you, from our country.

00:12:10.740 This was a fraudulent election,

00:12:13.080 but we can't play into the hands of these people.

00:12:17.020 We have to have peace.

00:12:20.080 So go home.

00:12:21.580 We love you.

00:12:22.900 You're very special.

00:12:24.540 You've seen what happens.

00:12:26.060 You see the way others are treated

00:12:27.720 that are so bad and so evil.

00:12:31.100 I know how you feel.

00:12:33.120 But go home and go home in peace.

00:12:35.440 Well, that was U.S. President Donald Trump

00:12:38.860 making a one-minute video message.

00:12:41.760 I don't know what you can call it in Washington today.

00:12:44.660 The vast majority of people were protesters.

00:12:47.260 I'd call them peaceful protesters.

00:12:49.000 And a certain number,

00:12:49.840 I'd say maybe it was in the low hundreds,

00:12:53.040 scaled the Capitol building.

00:12:55.580 And then another number,

00:12:56.820 let's say it's in the dozens,

00:12:59.000 broke in.

00:12:59.940 I think there's a spectrum of misconduct.

00:13:05.700 I think some of them would rightfully be called rioters.

00:13:09.020 Whether or not they are actually Trump supporters

00:13:12.160 or agents provocateurs, I do not know.

00:13:15.600 Some of them had masks on, some did not.

00:13:18.000 I find the whole thing very disconcerting.

00:13:19.900 Joining us now via Skype is our friend Joel Pollack,

00:13:22.420 senior editor-at-large at Breitbart.com.

00:13:24.960 Joel, I'm talking to you.

00:13:26.640 While things are still going on,

00:13:28.580 this interview will not air for a couple more hours.

00:13:31.600 So the situation is very fluid.

00:13:33.060 Give me your thoughts on it so far.

00:13:36.820 Well, it's completely unacceptable.

00:13:39.140 And it's been my position

00:13:40.680 that the president should never have called this protest,

00:13:45.900 should never have backed the effort

00:13:48.380 to stop the certification of the Electoral College vote.

00:13:52.080 I supported the president fighting

00:13:53.580 during the period before the Electoral College voted.

00:13:57.600 That's the appropriate time to raise legal challenges

00:14:01.020 and call for recounts.

00:14:02.700 And I thought he was fully within his rights to do that.

00:14:05.560 Once the Electoral College cast its ballots,

00:14:08.060 however, that was the end.

00:14:09.660 That was December 14th.

00:14:10.940 And the president needed to concede then.

00:14:14.240 I think he's lost a tremendous amount

00:14:16.160 of moral authority over the last few weeks.

00:14:18.500 I think he lost an opportunity to focus

00:14:21.180 on the issues in the Georgia Senate elections,

00:14:24.540 which Republicans have now lost.

00:14:26.300 They lost both of those Senate seats.

00:14:28.020 They lose control of the Senate.

00:14:29.560 Democrats now take full control

00:14:31.060 of both sides of the Capitol.

00:14:33.880 They will basically have

00:14:35.640 all three branches of government

00:14:37.800 with the ability to appoint judges,

00:14:39.340 maybe even expand the number of judges,

00:14:41.220 as they have been talking about doing.

00:14:42.860 And I think that today's events were unnecessary.

00:14:46.840 There was no real discretion that Congress had

00:14:51.720 to stop the electoral vote from being certified.

00:14:55.860 And although I've written an entire book

00:14:57.500 about why I think this election

00:14:59.100 was neither free nor fair,

00:15:00.720 the remedy that is being proposed

00:15:03.080 or that was proposed is also neither free nor fair.

00:15:06.540 And that's one of the reasons I have said

00:15:08.580 that this result, however wrong, should stand.

00:15:13.540 And sometimes it's just like that.

00:15:15.280 Sometimes there are things that happen

00:15:16.440 that are not fair

00:15:17.240 and we have to improve the system.

00:15:19.080 But today was a disaster

00:15:22.000 and the United States will survive

00:15:24.580 the events of today, obviously.

00:15:26.680 But what's also interesting to me

00:15:28.420 is Joe Biden went on national television

00:15:30.880 and gave an address.

00:15:32.200 Apparently, President Trump

00:15:33.040 had already recorded that message

00:15:34.380 by the time Biden called on the president

00:15:36.040 to say something.

00:15:36.780 So once again, Joe Biden, just a little bit late.

00:15:40.120 And the other thing he's late about

00:15:41.260 is denouncing political violence.

00:15:43.420 This is not the first time

00:15:44.560 we've seen political violence

00:15:46.000 or an attack on an American legislature.

00:15:49.680 In 2011, after the Tea Party victories

00:15:52.400 in the midterm elections that year,

00:15:54.400 where they took over several state legislatures

00:15:57.580 and governor's mansions,

00:15:59.060 we saw the left and the media get very excited

00:16:01.980 when left-wing protesters stormed

00:16:04.060 the Wisconsin state capitol

00:16:05.420 and occupy it for several weeks.

00:16:07.800 And that's when this all began.

00:16:10.200 The tolerance of political violence

00:16:11.840 by the left and by the media

00:16:13.600 has gone on for a decade.

00:16:14.900 And people like me have been warning

00:16:16.160 over and over again

00:16:17.300 that this tolerance for political violence

00:16:19.320 was going to lead to disaster.

00:16:21.760 And eventually, some people on the right

00:16:23.280 got the idea from watching people on the left

00:16:25.440 do it for a decade,

00:16:26.620 and especially over the last year,

00:16:28.160 that this is actually an effective way

00:16:29.740 to pursue their political agenda.

00:16:31.960 Why wouldn't they think that?

00:16:33.140 Leftists rioted all over the United States

00:16:35.240 and they won the election.

00:16:36.780 So there are some extremists,

00:16:38.960 completely condemnable,

00:16:40.080 that this is what happens.

00:16:41.620 They got the idea that this is our turn

00:16:43.380 to use violence, and they did.

00:16:45.320 And it's completely unacceptable.

00:16:48.200 I think that President Trump

00:16:49.640 needs to be held politically accountable for it

00:16:52.120 because this was a protest he called,

00:16:54.580 he supported, he organized.

00:16:55.940 I think, and I've taken the same line

00:16:57.700 with Democrats.

00:16:58.680 When you are behind a protest,

00:17:00.240 it is up to you to make sure

00:17:02.160 that the protest is safe,

00:17:03.900 that it's lawful,

00:17:05.060 that groups that want to cause trouble

00:17:07.360 are excluded from the protest.

00:17:09.260 And that's the standard

00:17:10.080 I've held the left to.

00:17:11.100 It's the standard I've held Democrats to

00:17:13.320 with Black Lives Matter riots.

00:17:14.840 And I'm holding Republicans

00:17:16.360 and the president

00:17:17.000 to the same standard here.

00:17:18.120 This is unacceptable

00:17:19.420 to have a protest

00:17:21.000 that breaches the barricades,

00:17:23.380 attacks Capitol Police,

00:17:25.180 smashes federal property,

00:17:26.780 occupies the Senate chamber,

00:17:28.780 occupies offices.

00:17:29.820 I mean, this is unacceptable.

00:17:31.500 And it's united the country

00:17:34.260 against the president.

00:17:35.700 So it had the opposite effect

00:17:37.240 of the one intended.

00:17:38.540 I mean, you have been talking to me

00:17:39.940 for five years about Donald Trump,

00:17:41.320 and I always enjoy our chats about it.

00:17:43.640 And, you know, I support the president

00:17:44.780 and I have supported him

00:17:46.220 and I've supported his policies,

00:17:47.540 but I do not support him on this.

00:17:49.580 And I think that this is a really sad day

00:17:54.020 for the United States.

00:17:54.920 It's one we'll recover from,

00:17:57.160 but it's one that can only really serve

00:18:00.940 as an opportunity for rebuilding

00:18:02.180 if both sides acknowledge

00:18:03.660 that political violence is unacceptable.

00:18:05.860 We haven't really seen the left

00:18:07.500 understand that yet.

00:18:08.500 And I think that, you know,

00:18:10.780 for Joe Biden to go on TV and say,

00:18:12.640 this is not how we do things, et cetera,

00:18:14.880 this is how they did things.

00:18:16.120 They did this for the last year.

00:18:18.440 So I don't think he has credibility.

00:18:20.900 I think there are people with credibility

00:18:22.180 who perhaps need to be given

00:18:23.360 more time and attention,

00:18:25.200 some people in Washington.

00:18:27.060 I've been particularly proud

00:18:28.280 of Republican Tom Cotton,

00:18:29.980 who went out there with a statement,

00:18:32.080 not just about the violence today,

00:18:33.440 but a few days ago,

00:18:34.560 saying that the Constitution

00:18:35.620 really didn't allow Congress

00:18:37.420 to decertify the Electoral College result.

00:18:39.820 And that was brave.

00:18:40.400 And he got a lot of vitriol

00:18:42.120 from some people on social media

00:18:43.640 and so forth.

00:18:44.260 And the president criticized him.

00:18:45.480 But I think that it is time

00:18:48.620 for reasonable people

00:18:50.700 who care about the Constitution,

00:18:52.140 care about the country,

00:18:52.860 and care about the world

00:18:53.680 to assert their views

00:18:56.280 in public conversation

00:18:57.660 and not to allow the media

00:18:59.080 to continue to play this game.

00:19:00.760 I mean, yesterday,

00:19:02.340 when there were police officers

00:19:04.560 who were dropped from charges,

00:19:07.260 you know, the Kenosha, Wisconsin,

00:19:09.660 prosecutors decided

00:19:10.480 not to charge police officers

00:19:12.020 in the shooting of Jacob Blake.

00:19:13.620 Remember that?

00:19:14.120 That triggered riots back in August.

00:19:15.760 The media made it into a racial event.

00:19:17.960 It wasn't a racial event.

00:19:19.260 It was an examination of the evidence.

00:19:21.640 The media keeps stoking

00:19:22.740 these kinds of conflicts.

00:19:23.940 And it's time for those of us

00:19:25.160 who see the Constitution

00:19:27.360 for what it is

00:19:28.480 and see it clearly

00:19:29.200 and see that the American people love it

00:19:30.640 and support it

00:19:31.240 to stand up

00:19:32.560 and not to allow the media

00:19:34.600 and partisans on either side

00:19:36.000 to continue to stoke these conflicts

00:19:38.280 and these attacks

00:19:38.880 on the Constitution.

00:19:40.420 You know, Donald Trump

00:19:42.460 has two weeks left.

00:19:44.420 I mean, the phrase

00:19:45.500 lame duck president. 0.97

00:19:46.920 There couldn't be a lamer lame duck 0.99

00:19:48.560 after last night's defeat in Georgia.

00:19:50.800 And today, I think you're correct.

00:19:54.080 Donald Trump is a fighter at his core.

00:19:56.700 And I think he kept fighting

00:19:58.940 probably too long

00:20:00.220 but let's put aside Donald Trump

00:20:01.940 because he's done.

00:20:04.160 Right.

00:20:05.200 And what I fear

00:20:06.520 is that this doesn't just mark

00:20:09.720 the end of the Trump term.

00:20:11.820 And I regard myself

00:20:12.900 as one of Trump's biggest boosters

00:20:14.220 in Canada,

00:20:15.280 which doesn't say much.

00:20:16.500 There's only two of us.

00:20:17.700 Me and me on red black.

00:20:19.060 But I fear that this is not just

00:20:22.840 an unflattering ending

00:20:25.080 to what was actually

00:20:26.020 an extraordinary term

00:20:27.640 as a president.

00:20:28.300 I think he was truly

00:20:28.960 a great president in many ways.

00:20:31.440 I'm not worried about that.

00:20:32.920 I'm worried about

00:20:33.720 that this is a starter pistol

00:20:35.200 for terrible things.

00:20:37.100 You know, Donald Trump

00:20:37.840 talked this summer,

00:20:39.120 last summer,

00:20:40.040 about labeling Antifa

00:20:42.280 a terrorist group.

00:20:43.920 He said he would do that.

00:20:44.820 He never did that.

00:20:45.760 I'm worried that the Democrats

00:20:48.300 will now label

00:20:49.360 conservatives terrorist groups,

00:20:52.100 that you will see

00:20:52.680 more censorship

00:20:53.560 of right-wing groups

00:20:55.440 than ever,

00:20:55.980 that Breitbart.com,

00:20:57.680 that Rebel News,

00:20:58.640 that anyone to the right

00:21:00.840 will now be subject

00:21:01.740 to a completely unleashed

00:21:04.360 partisan FBI

00:21:06.160 and deep state

00:21:07.300 like never before.

00:21:08.860 I think that this is,

00:21:10.720 and I don't know

00:21:11.820 who the people were

00:21:12.600 who actually broke in,

00:21:13.900 whether they were Trump supporters

00:21:16.320 or agents provocateurs.

00:21:17.720 I don't know.

00:21:18.760 But it doesn't even matter

00:21:19.820 because the truth

00:21:20.620 will take weeks to come out

00:21:21.780 and the narrative

00:21:22.520 is already set.

00:21:23.920 I think this is absolutely

00:21:26.400 the media's perfect way

00:21:28.300 to negate their violence

00:21:30.620 of the last year

00:21:31.540 with the incredible images

00:21:33.400 we see coming out

00:21:34.260 of Capitol Hill.

00:21:35.300 The violent ones

00:21:36.100 are on the right.

00:21:36.780 We've already told,

00:21:37.540 we've always said

00:21:38.160 the domestic terrorists

00:21:39.040 are on the right.

00:21:40.040 Trump's people 0.74

00:21:40.580 are the violent ones. 0.94

00:21:41.700 We have to crack down

00:21:42.380 on the Second Amendment

00:21:43.100 like never before.

00:21:44.160 We've got to crack down

00:21:45.040 on right-wing speech

00:21:45.860 like never before.

00:21:47.160 You're going to see

00:21:47.860 an assault on the First 0.72

00:21:48.600 and Second Amendment

00:21:49.220 like never before.

00:21:50.320 You're going to see

00:21:50.760 the total rebranding

00:21:51.840 of the right as terrorists.

00:21:53.520 Maybe even a new Patriot Act.

00:21:55.360 I think you're about to see

00:21:56.820 the absolute worst thing.

00:21:58.780 Well, I think that's possible.

00:22:00.300 I don't want to get

00:22:02.020 into that mindset.

00:22:03.020 I think that defeat,

00:22:05.920 although something

00:22:06.760 obviously to be avoided

00:22:07.980 and resisted,

00:22:08.920 is liberating in some ways.

00:22:12.480 It allows you

00:22:13.200 to throw out old ideas,

00:22:15.320 to replace old leaders,

00:22:16.380 and to think about

00:22:19.260 how to provide the leadership

00:22:20.740 the country needs.

00:22:22.160 I think that if Democrats

00:22:23.380 try that,

00:22:24.120 there will be a pushback

00:22:24.960 that continues.

00:22:25.980 And it's going to continue

00:22:27.020 for me and from other people.

00:22:28.740 I don't feel in any way

00:22:30.540 implicated in this violence.

00:22:34.320 And again,

00:22:35.760 I can show chapter and verse,

00:22:37.520 you know, date and month and hour

00:22:39.200 when this sort of thing

00:22:40.920 was tolerated and encouraged

00:22:42.560 by media when the left did it.

00:22:44.640 I think also there are many of us

00:22:47.020 who've managed to advocate

00:22:50.920 for the views of Trump supporters

00:22:52.960 without getting mired

00:22:54.780 in some of this other stuff.

00:22:56.120 And I think we have to have faith

00:22:57.980 that we can do that.

00:22:58.740 We have to have faith

00:22:59.520 that we can stand up

00:23:01.260 for the principles

00:23:02.060 while rejecting the way

00:23:03.620 some people abuse those principles.

00:23:04.920 Or, you know,

00:23:06.340 the way people

00:23:07.020 purport to be

00:23:08.800 advocating for freedom of speech

00:23:10.380 but in fact are carrying out violence

00:23:12.120 like as happened

00:23:13.120 at the Capitol today.

00:23:14.000 But, you know,

00:23:14.400 why would they have gotten that idea?

00:23:15.640 I mean, two years ago

00:23:16.980 when the Democrats

00:23:18.380 didn't want Brett Kavanaugh

00:23:19.580 to be confirmed

00:23:21.860 as Supreme Court justice,

00:23:22.880 they stormed through the Capitol

00:23:24.300 attacking senators

00:23:25.200 and elevators and so forth.

00:23:26.340 I mean, this is the problem.

00:23:28.040 The left and the media

00:23:29.340 have tolerated political violence

00:23:31.320 and intimidation for so long.

00:23:33.300 And that's really where

00:23:34.600 we need to go.

00:23:35.640 There has to be

00:23:36.220 a reciprocal answer

00:23:37.280 to any attempt

00:23:38.080 by the left to do this.

00:23:40.000 So, I don't know.

00:23:41.120 I think we're going to be okay.

00:23:43.620 And I think that partly

00:23:45.700 because I hope it'll be

00:23:46.460 a self-fulfilling prophecy.

00:23:47.660 But I choose not to

00:23:50.000 accept that as a possibility.

00:23:54.080 I mean, it's a risk.

00:23:56.040 But I don't think it's...

00:23:57.280 I wouldn't attach

00:23:58.100 a high degree of probability to it

00:23:59.540 only because I intend it not to happen.

00:24:01.260 So, I think really the future

00:24:03.260 is in our hands.

00:24:04.880 And that's what every defeat

00:24:06.060 really has to allow you to feel.

00:24:08.800 My bias is toward things

00:24:13.180 that give me greater freedom of action.

00:24:15.020 So, I felt pretty terrible

00:24:16.280 on Tuesday night

00:24:17.440 when the results from Georgia came in.

00:24:19.260 But I woke up Wednesday morning

00:24:20.400 feeling pretty good.

00:24:21.680 Not because I'm happy

00:24:22.660 that Republicans lost,

00:24:24.080 but just because you've got

00:24:25.060 to have a way forward.

00:24:26.300 And I think there are many

00:24:26.880 good ways forward

00:24:27.600 for conservatives and Republicans.

00:24:29.500 And this event today,

00:24:33.060 unfortunately, does make it harder.

00:24:34.600 It does make it harder.

00:24:35.700 But I think that with a possibility

00:24:38.100 of a kind of national reconciliation,

00:24:40.920 perhaps, where there's a bipartisan

00:24:43.420 condemnation of political violence,

00:24:45.160 maybe Democrats will realize

00:24:46.420 it's wrong now that the right did it.

00:24:48.360 I'm not saying that justifies it

00:24:49.480 by any stretch,

00:24:50.100 because many of us

00:24:50.780 have been saying this for a decade,

00:24:52.300 that they should never have tolerated

00:24:53.420 it in the first place.

00:24:54.300 But perhaps Democrats

00:24:55.300 will come to their senses

00:24:56.720 on some of this stuff.

00:24:57.560 You can't call Antifa peaceful protesters

00:24:59.900 when they attack federal officers

00:25:01.860 in Portland.

00:25:03.000 You can't call rioters

00:25:04.900 on the White House lawn

00:25:06.560 or in Lafayette Square, rather.

00:25:08.500 You can't call them peaceful protesters

00:25:09.880 when they beat up journalists

00:25:10.920 like my colleagues at Breitbart.

00:25:12.300 You can't do that anymore

00:25:13.200 because you see, obviously,

00:25:15.060 that it's wrong

00:25:15.700 when the other side does it.

00:25:17.280 So maybe it'll, you know,

00:25:18.600 it's kind of a moment

00:25:19.220 for Democrats to look

00:25:20.080 in the mirror as well.

00:25:21.020 I'm confident that the future is bright.

00:25:23.540 I just think that today, obviously,

00:25:25.740 is a rather dark day for America.

00:25:28.200 Well, gee, I sure hope you're right.

00:25:29.600 I see a difference

00:25:32.540 between the right and the left.

00:25:36.580 There's a phrase I've heard on the left,

00:25:39.180 diversity of tactics.

00:25:41.340 I don't know if you've ever heard that word.

00:25:43.340 It's a phrase that has a special meaning.

00:25:46.560 It means the left is united

00:25:48.180 and they never criticize each other.

00:25:50.720 Some people are journalists.

00:25:51.620 Some people are professors.

00:25:52.860 Some people are politicians.

00:25:54.440 Some people are fundraisers.

00:25:56.240 Some people are violent.

00:25:58.320 It's a diversity of tactic

00:26:00.080 and you will never,

00:26:01.200 and everyone has their role on the left

00:26:02.820 and you never criticize

00:26:04.440 the other people doing their own thing

00:26:06.380 if it's pointing in the same direction.

00:26:08.520 The right is not that way.

00:26:09.880 So the way you've spoken here

00:26:11.440 about completely disowning this

00:26:14.180 and hoping for a peaceful way forward,

00:26:16.960 I don't know if,

00:26:20.340 not just grassroots or journalistic leftists,

00:26:24.080 but I don't know if Chuck Schumer

00:26:25.780 and Nancy Pelosi and AOC

00:26:27.820 and Ilhan Omar have that in them.

00:26:30.080 I think they say,

00:26:31.220 aha, this is our Reichstag fire.

00:26:34.280 We have the cause,

00:26:36.120 we have the motivation,

00:26:37.040 and now we have the means.

00:26:38.520 We will be brutal.

00:26:40.140 We will transform America.

00:26:41.580 We won't waste a minute.

00:26:43.500 I fear that the magnanimity

00:26:46.340 and the goodwill

00:26:48.580 that you've just expressed,

00:26:50.900 not a sore loser,

00:26:52.600 but a happy go forward guy

00:26:56.760 on the losing team

00:26:57.620 will not be met.

00:26:58.900 I think you'll see a sore winner

00:27:00.780 who will be brutal.

00:27:02.920 Maybe I'm wrong,

00:27:04.520 but it's all I see right now.

00:27:05.840 Last word to you, Joel.

00:27:08.100 Well, Andrew Breitbart,

00:27:09.580 the founder of our company,

00:27:11.080 believed in being a happy warrior.

00:27:13.240 And he essentially was the backbone

00:27:16.420 of the Republican opposition

00:27:17.800 that emerged after Barack Obama

00:27:20.400 took power with,

00:27:22.040 for a brief time anyway,

00:27:23.020 a super majority in the Senate.

00:27:24.420 He had complete control

00:27:25.260 of the government.

00:27:26.180 And Andrew was able

00:27:27.680 to find a way forward.

00:27:29.080 And I think that, frankly,

00:27:31.020 Breitbart News is going to be

00:27:32.540 the forum in which people

00:27:34.240 discover that way forward again.

00:27:35.880 It's not going to look the same

00:27:36.840 as it did last time.

00:27:37.680 It can't.

00:27:38.800 There are good reasons for that.

00:27:40.580 There are bad, you know,

00:27:41.620 there are some bad things

00:27:42.820 that also have happened

00:27:44.040 that make certain things difficult,

00:27:45.120 like, for example, spending.

00:27:46.340 I mean, the Tea Party

00:27:46.920 was all about cutting spending

00:27:48.020 and neither party now

00:27:49.360 can ever claim credibility

00:27:50.940 on spending and deficits

00:27:52.060 and so forth.

00:27:53.100 But I think there will be

00:27:55.160 other grounds

00:27:55.800 for a new opposition.

00:27:57.800 I won't call it resistance.

00:27:58.920 I do believe

00:27:59.420 in loyal opposition.

00:28:00.920 I would like to see

00:28:01.840 the new Democratic administration

00:28:03.640 and Congress succeed

00:28:04.860 because I'm an American.

00:28:05.920 I live here.

00:28:06.520 I raise my kids here.

00:28:07.400 I love this country.

00:28:09.080 However, I think they will succeed

00:28:10.380 to the degree

00:28:11.080 that they cast aside

00:28:13.020 their radical policies

00:28:14.940 and ideas

00:28:15.580 and learn what Trump showed

00:28:19.080 is possible for four years

00:28:21.240 up to up to November,

00:28:22.860 really, a very successful president.

00:28:25.100 I think if they learn

00:28:26.540 the lessons of the Trump presidency

00:28:28.820 about what works in foreign policy,

00:28:31.220 what works in national security,

00:28:32.500 what works to juice the economy

00:28:33.900 and help the poor,

00:28:34.760 particularly minorities.

00:28:35.480 I mean, I think that's optimistic.

00:28:39.200 I think I feel optimistic

00:28:40.560 if Democrats can learn from that,

00:28:42.620 and I hope they do.

00:28:44.720 However, I do also think

00:28:46.060 they've learned a hard lesson,

00:28:47.920 not from today.

00:28:48.760 I don't want to justify today

00:28:50.400 or even look like I'm justifying it,

00:28:51.720 but I think that the lesson of 2020

00:28:55.880 and the message the voters sent,

00:28:57.600 particularly Hispanic voters

00:28:58.580 who deserted the Democrats

00:28:59.900 in droves on November 3rd,

00:29:01.600 the message they sent

00:29:02.340 was they reject political violence.

00:29:03.980 They reject defund the police.

00:29:06.380 They reject the riots.

00:29:08.000 That needs to be heard

00:29:09.160 by the Democratic Party.

00:29:10.920 Today also needs to be heard

00:29:12.080 by Republicans

00:29:12.700 that you cannot continue

00:29:14.800 to encourage this idea.

00:29:16.780 You can believe

00:29:17.460 the election was stolen,

00:29:18.880 but sometimes you just

00:29:20.720 have to accept the result,

00:29:22.320 even if you don't like

00:29:23.260 the way it was arrived at.

00:29:24.260 I don't like the way

00:29:24.840 it was arrived at.

00:29:25.500 I don't think that fraud

00:29:26.740 is the full explanation.

00:29:27.720 You know, I've written a whole book

00:29:28.460 about why there were

00:29:29.060 other explanations,

00:29:30.040 such as the changing

00:29:31.040 of the rules midway

00:29:32.080 and the media censorship

00:29:33.220 and the political violence

00:29:34.260 and all of that.

00:29:35.000 I mean, it's all a factor

00:29:36.140 and I'm disgusted by it

00:29:37.880 and I'm very troubled

00:29:38.600 by the fact that

00:29:39.620 the Georgia election

00:29:40.580 basically used

00:29:41.460 the same flawed system

00:29:42.520 that it used in November,

00:29:43.300 but we have to accept

00:29:46.260 that some things in life

00:29:47.920 aren't fair

00:29:48.480 and we have to find

00:29:49.520 a way forward

00:29:50.180 and the way forward

00:29:51.080 is not through the barricades

00:29:52.300 around the Capitol.

00:29:53.440 The way forward

00:29:54.200 is through providing

00:29:54.960 an opposition

00:29:55.580 that responds to the needs

00:29:57.180 of the American people

00:29:57.940 and believe me,

00:29:58.780 if Democrats implement

00:30:00.720 what they've promised to do,

00:30:02.160 they're going to fail.

00:30:03.120 They're just going to fail.

00:30:04.240 Nothing they have ever,

00:30:06.620 nothing they've proposed

00:30:08.000 has ever worked.

00:30:09.180 It really hasn't.

00:30:10.240 Nothing they've proposed

00:30:11.000 in this past election

00:30:11.760 has ever worked.

00:30:13.220 You know, this idea

00:30:14.100 of expanding Medicare

00:30:15.100 and Medicare for all

00:30:17.040 and all the things

00:30:17.540 that the Democrats want.

00:30:18.560 They couldn't even get it done

00:30:19.420 in Vermont.

00:30:20.140 It was too expensive

00:30:20.820 for Vermont.

00:30:21.560 Bernie Sanders'

00:30:22.280 socialist republic.

00:30:24.240 So, I mean,

00:30:24.880 this is just something

00:30:26.900 that, you know,

00:30:27.800 the left may have to learn

00:30:28.920 by trial and error again.

00:30:30.060 I hope not.

00:30:30.580 I hope we don't have

00:30:31.000 to go through yet

00:30:31.660 another series of failed policies,

00:30:33.980 more Iran deal type experiments

00:30:36.320 in foreign policy.

00:30:38.620 You know,

00:30:38.920 I think the opposition

00:30:39.720 is stronger

00:30:40.360 and actually does have

00:30:40.960 a good foundation.

00:30:42.220 I think it's divided right now

00:30:43.560 because people are very troubled

00:30:44.600 over the election

00:30:45.720 and I think Trump

00:30:46.640 has some responsibility for that.

00:30:48.820 Right now,

00:30:49.480 I feel very disappointed

00:30:52.220 in the president.

00:30:53.160 I think that he really

00:30:54.380 could have avoided this

00:30:55.360 and I think he could have

00:30:56.260 ended his presidency

00:30:57.500 on a much higher note.

00:30:58.680 I don't know that

00:30:59.320 it would ever have been happy

00:31:00.840 and I don't know

00:31:01.660 that Democrats

00:31:02.120 would ever have said,

00:31:03.240 you know,

00:31:03.400 this guy actually

00:31:03.900 did a pretty good job.

00:31:04.800 I mean,

00:31:04.920 I think they've just decided

00:31:06.100 to ignore all of his achievements.

00:31:08.180 But I think that,

00:31:09.880 as you said,

00:31:10.220 he's a fighter.

00:31:10.860 This is who he's always been.

00:31:12.040 As I joked on Twitter

00:31:12.880 the other day,

00:31:13.440 Trump is fighting

00:31:14.100 this election result

00:31:15.260 like a Democrat.

00:31:16.040 This is what Democrats do.

00:31:17.120 When Republicans won

00:31:18.280 in Wisconsin,

00:31:18.960 Democrats rejected it

00:31:19.900 and they stormed the Capitol.

00:31:20.960 I mean,

00:31:21.660 Trump used to be a Democrat.

00:31:22.800 He's just doing

00:31:23.580 what Democrats do,

00:31:24.700 but it actually is unacceptable.

00:31:26.820 And as much as I like him

00:31:28.040 and actually,

00:31:28.780 as much as I think

00:31:29.660 he's restored

00:31:30.340 the Constitution

00:31:31.580 from where it was

00:31:33.480 and protected it

00:31:34.540 from the assault

00:31:35.100 that Democrats

00:31:35.700 had been carrying out

00:31:36.480 for eight years plus

00:31:37.740 on our Constitution,

00:31:39.200 I think this was a mistake.

00:31:42.220 And I don't think

00:31:43.040 Joe Biden has any

00:31:43.900 moral authority

00:31:44.580 to talk about it,

00:31:45.260 but the authority's

00:31:45.840 got to come from somewhere.

00:31:47.400 And might as well

00:31:49.060 come from us.

00:31:49.660 I mean,

00:31:50.140 why shouldn't conservatives

00:31:51.340 be the ones

00:31:52.420 to set the agenda?

00:31:53.720 We can do that

00:31:55.160 by making the national interest

00:31:56.700 our interest.

00:31:57.320 I think that's the best way to go.

00:31:59.040 What a pleasure

00:31:59.820 to talk with you,

00:32:01.120 to learn from you

00:32:01.760 as we always do.

00:32:02.920 By the way,

00:32:03.300 I want to remind

00:32:03.960 our viewers

00:32:04.800 that Joel's latest book

00:32:05.760 is called

00:32:06.220 Neither Fair Nor Free

00:32:08.020 the 20 U.S. presidential.

00:32:10.380 Hey, I've got another book

00:32:12.160 coming out on Tuesday.

00:32:13.380 I want to tell you.

00:32:13.900 Already?

00:32:14.520 How do you crank him out?

00:32:15.480 What's your next one called?

00:32:17.920 It's called

00:32:18.580 How Not to Become

00:32:19.820 an S-hole Country.

00:32:21.820 Really?

00:32:22.260 Are you serious?

00:32:23.860 Yeah.

00:32:24.580 Yeah.

00:32:25.780 It comes out on Tuesday.

00:32:27.080 It's another e-book.

00:32:28.360 I worked on it

00:32:28.980 over the winter holidays

00:32:30.100 and, you know,

00:32:30.680 another one of those

00:32:31.340 labors of love

00:32:32.320 that just kind of poured out.

00:32:33.940 And basically,

00:32:34.920 you know,

00:32:35.160 I spend a lot of time

00:32:36.140 in South Africa.

00:32:36.740 I'm originally from South Africa.

00:32:37.840 I spent a lot of time there

00:32:38.860 in South African Parliament

00:32:40.420 and I had a close-up view

00:32:41.920 of South African politics.

00:32:43.260 And I learned a lot

00:32:44.300 that I think

00:32:45.000 is now very relevant

00:32:45.980 amidst the chaos

00:32:47.860 and the left-wing takeover

00:32:49.740 that looms.

00:32:50.740 So it's called

00:32:51.140 How Not to Be an S-hole.

00:32:52.740 I spell the word out

00:32:53.740 in the title.

00:32:54.360 How Not to Be an S-hole Country

00:32:55.700 Lessons from South Africa.

00:32:57.460 Wow.

00:32:58.360 You are a fountain.

00:33:00.080 I can't even believe it.

00:33:01.300 Well, that's great.

00:33:02.040 I look forward to that one.

00:33:03.320 Joel, thanks very much.

00:33:04.200 Good luck.

00:33:04.640 And I hope your

00:33:06.360 calm and hopeful

00:33:09.720 viewpoint

00:33:11.740 is not unique.

00:33:14.160 I hope it becomes the norm. 0.96

00:33:15.740 I'm too scared

00:33:17.040 to make that prediction right now.

00:33:18.220 Great to see you, my friend.

00:33:18.960 Thanks for spending so much time.

00:33:20.800 Thank you.

00:33:21.300 All right.

00:33:21.540 There you have it.

00:33:21.940 Joel Pollack,

00:33:22.500 senior editor-at-large

00:33:23.440 at Breitbart.com.

00:33:24.980 And I'll say the title

00:33:25.720 of his new book,

00:33:26.300 If He Won't,

00:33:27.280 How Not to Become

00:33:28.100 a S-hole Country.

00:33:28.980 Oops.

00:33:29.360 There it is.

00:33:30.240 All right.

00:33:30.760 So I look forward to it.

00:33:31.660 Looking forward to its release.

00:33:34.280 Stay with us.

00:33:34.740 More on it.

00:33:46.640 Well, what do you think?

00:33:47.440 Do you think I'm being too pessimistic?

00:33:48.940 Do you think I'm being too negative?

00:33:50.820 I think as conservatives,

00:33:52.040 we have to differentiate ourselves

00:33:54.020 from Democrats.

00:33:54.980 It's not just blue team,

00:33:56.100 red team,

00:33:56.660 our team,

00:33:57.100 their team.

00:33:57.480 I think there has to be

00:33:58.620 some moral differences.

00:34:00.140 And being violent

00:34:00.900 and smashing your way 0.84

00:34:02.060 into a Capitol building

00:34:03.140 is not the way to do it. 0.85

00:34:05.760 I think that it's hypocritical 0.62

00:34:08.040 of the left and of the media

00:34:09.300 to suddenly be so appalled

00:34:10.960 by political violence

00:34:11.900 when it's done

00:34:12.620 in the name of Trump,

00:34:13.580 whether or not

00:34:14.080 it was actually Trump activists

00:34:15.320 who did it.

00:34:16.340 But I think we have to condemn it.

00:34:18.100 And I think we have to try

00:34:19.040 and do what Joel suggested,

00:34:20.100 which is to bring back

00:34:21.060 a consensus of nonviolence.

00:34:24.080 One thing I disagree with Joel on

00:34:25.920 is I just don't think

00:34:27.260 the left wants that consensus

00:34:29.040 because they have

00:34:30.340 all the power now

00:34:31.220 and I predict

00:34:31.840 they'll do everything

00:34:32.760 to keep it.

00:34:34.580 That's our show for tonight.

00:34:35.580 Until next time,

00:34:36.340 on behalf of all of us

00:34:37.240 here at Rebel World Headquarters,

00:34:38.640 you at home,

00:34:39.620 goodnight,

00:34:40.700 and keep fighting for freedom.

00:34:41.820 on behalf of all of us.

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Rebel News Podcast - January 07, 2021

Protests in D.C. Turn Violent

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