Rebel News Podcast - Radio host in hot water after offending the transgendered community — by saying THIS (Guest host： David Menzies)

00:00:00.000 Tonight, a Winnipeg radio host is fired for offending the transgendered community.

00:00:06.440 It's July 18th, I'm David Menzies, and this is the Ezra Levent Show.

00:00:16.600 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:00:20.440 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:00:24.160 You come here once a year with a sign, and you feel morally superior.

00:00:27.140 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:00:37.840 Dave Wheeler, host of Wheeler in the Morning, was suspended and fired by the killjoys running Rogers Media.

00:00:45.240 You see, Wheeler apparently uttered something so hateful, so odious, so egregious that, well,

00:00:51.840 the Winnipeg trans community took to social media, screaming, 0.95

00:00:56.600 off with his head.

00:00:59.200 And what was it that Wheeler said, you ask?

00:01:03.000 Well, let's play the audio verbatim.

00:01:05.580 But before we run the clip, folks, here's the backstory.

00:01:08.880 Wheeler was having a discussion with his co-hosts, Rena Jay and Dave Turnbull,

00:01:13.560 about Scarlett Johansson being pressured by the trans community to drop out of the film Rub and Tug,

00:01:20.820 because Scarlett is, well, 100% real female, 0.87

00:01:24.600 and the role she was cast to play was to be a fake man.

00:01:29.220 Apparently, because this is 2018, only trans actors can accept trans roles.

00:01:36.000 Anyway, here's Wheeler's supposedly contentious remarks.

00:01:40.440 You know what? I'm just, I am so, I don't think I'm the only one.

00:01:44.600 I am so confused. I am so confused by the whole transgender community. 1.00

00:01:48.440 I mean, literally, there's nothing you can do to make them happy.

00:01:50.720 Nothing. Not a goddamn thing. 0.98

00:01:52.880 Yeah, nothing. It's a movie. 0.98

00:01:54.260 People act and they pretend to be different things.

00:01:56.660 Kind of like what you're doing, really, in the grand scheme of things.

00:02:01.340 Leapin' lizards. Did you catch that earth-shattering statement?

00:02:05.540 Here it is again.

00:02:06.520 Quote, people act and pretend to be different things.

00:02:09.940 Kind of like what you're doing, really, in the grand scheme of things.

00:02:14.540 End quote.

00:02:15.660 And you know what?

00:02:16.760 That statement, I think, is equal parts clever and funny and, well, true.

00:02:23.060 I mean, the very essence of an actor is to portray someone else.

00:02:26.680 And really, what is a transgender individual but a man who thinks he's a woman 0.72

00:02:31.380 or a woman who thinks she's a man? 1.00

00:02:33.060 Sure, people can get some surgical slicing and dicing of the genitals and inject some hormones. 1.00

00:02:40.440 But at the end of the day, we are left with men pretending to be women and women pretending to be men.

00:02:46.880 So really, Dave Wheeler's comparison is bang on.

00:02:51.020 But true to form, some members of the Winnipeg trans community got their knickers and or boxer shorts in a knot.

00:02:58.780 And it didn't take long for Rogers Media to suspend and then later fire Wheeler,

00:03:05.500 stating that his comments were contrary to the company's, quote, standards and core values.

00:03:12.680 Standards and core values?

00:03:14.520 Since when did gender bending become a standard and a core value for the cable company? 1.00

00:03:21.000 And if you're running a radio station, I should think that a standard and core value is to keep people entertained,

00:03:28.600 not bore them into a coma by becoming an echo chamber, endlessly reciting politically correct pablum.

00:03:36.700 But Rogers Media told the CBC that it has invited a member of the transgender community to speak on the morning show about issues faced by transgender individuals.

00:03:48.780 Oh, hooray! What joy!

00:03:50.880 That sounds like such captivating radio now, doesn't it?

00:03:54.400 I hope Rogers saves that content for sweeps week.

00:03:58.700 Now, it didn't take long for Rogers to completely kick Wheeler from the penalty box to under the bus.

00:04:05.800 That's how the big, boring media companies roll these days, folks.

00:04:11.080 Well, at least he won't have to receive any sensitivity training.

00:04:16.220 Remember last December when former Liberal Party pres Stephen LeDrew was suspended

00:04:21.540 and then fired outright by Bell Media for upsetting the trans community when LeDrew appeared on Fox News?

00:04:29.600 It's very reminiscent of that.

00:04:31.200 And what was astounding about this story is that LeDrew never actually ventured off the politically correct reserve.

00:04:39.860 He defended the idea of the Elementary Teachers Federation of Ontario referring to the LGBT community

00:04:46.520 with a new 15-letter identifier, namely, wait for it,

00:04:51.020 L-G-G-B-D-T-T-T-I-Q-Q-A-A-P-P. 1.00

00:04:58.520 What does all that alphabet soup stand for, you ask?

00:05:01.580 Oh, come on, folks. 0.84

00:05:02.600 Life's way too short for that.

00:05:04.840 But alas, LeDrew made a fatal error in his interview with Tucker Carlson.

00:05:10.320 Check it out.

00:05:11.300 This is meaningful because teachers are being taught this, kids will be taught it,

00:05:14.720 and I think I have a right to non-judgmentally ask what they're talking about.

00:05:18.180 So, for example, what's two-spirit?

00:05:21.400 Well, two-spirit sounds like there's someone they don't know whether they're, you know, fish or fowl.

00:05:25.500 They don't know whether they're frick or frack.

00:05:27.240 So they're clearly confused.

00:05:29.040 And, you know, again, if you're confused, what better place to go than to be at school?

00:05:35.280 Whoa! 0.71

00:05:36.620 Did you catch that?

00:05:38.780 LeDrew said fish or fowl, frick or frack, that these people are confused. 0.89

00:05:44.620 And apparently the various non-binary, gender-fluid asexuals went frothing mad over this remark. 0.96

00:05:51.740 After all, that almost sounded like they were being mocked.

00:05:55.600 And we can't have that because mocking or even saying something that seems to be mocking,

00:06:02.080 well, that's hate speech.

00:06:04.140 And that must be banned.

00:06:05.380 And so it is that Bell actually threw LeDrew under the bus, too, in order to appease the spirit unicorn community. 0.78

00:06:12.940 Amazing.

00:06:14.280 And make no mistake, members of the Winnipeg trans community were out for Wheeler's blood. 0.99

00:06:20.460 The CBC story quotes various transgender females as saying that Wheeler's comments are tantamount to hate speech 0.79

00:06:28.340 and that Wheeler should indeed be fired.

00:06:31.480 And, you know what, in the blink of an eyelash, he was.

00:06:35.220 That's right.

00:06:36.000 They had his career thrown into the dumpster for essentially doing what he is contractually obligated to do.

00:06:44.100 To be funny and entertaining.

00:06:46.240 And really, how perversely ironic.

00:06:49.660 After all, the transgender community continually clamors that we should all be more accepting of their lifestyles.

00:06:58.200 Yet the same people who endlessly demand more tolerance often are the most intolerant members of society.

00:07:06.600 Indeed, when it comes to trans issues these days, it's not about acceptance anymore.

00:07:11.580 It's about affirmation, which is to say, if you aren't an all-out cheerleader for the trans community, 0.98

00:07:17.800 then you are therefore a bigot and a transphobe and you need to be severely punished.

00:07:24.860 We saw that play out with Stephen LeDrew and we just saw it play out with Dave Wheeler. 0.94

00:07:31.340 Don't know about you folks, but I'm left pining for the good old days, you know,

00:07:35.480 when tranny trouble meant that the gear shift was slipping out of drive and into neutral.

00:07:41.580 More of the Ezra LeVent show coming up.

00:08:00.740 Remember when the political pundits did their postmortems on the 2015 federal election?

00:08:06.780 And how these analysts said that the conservatives lost the election, not so much because of bad policy issues,

00:08:14.000 but due to their less than pleasant demeanor.

00:08:17.920 Well, just look at how the Trudeau liberals are behaving these days, especially whenever they're publicly criticized.

00:08:25.320 They've even dismissed their critics as racists who thrive on fear-mongering.

00:08:30.320 Indeed, the liberals, according to my next guest, have kind of devolved into the mean girls of Canadian politics.

00:08:38.540 And joining me with more on how the liberals are increasingly behaving badly is Toronto Sun columnist Anthony Fury.

00:08:45.980 Welcome to the Ezra LeVent show, Anthony.

00:08:48.420 Hey, always great to be hanging with the menzoid. 1.00

00:08:50.660 Always great to have you, my friend.

00:08:52.160 Now, I have to admit, I've never seen Mean Girls, but I take it that, as the title implies, these aren't pleasant people. 1.00

00:09:01.180 Right, Anthony?

00:09:02.440 I've never seen it either.

00:09:03.780 I think it was a phrase before it was a movie.

00:09:06.520 But, yeah, sort of the general idea of the girls in class, the girls in high school who are always picking on all the other girls,

00:09:13.780 and they have a little clique, and they make people feel bad about themselves and so forth.

00:09:18.080 I really see, David, that that is what's happening right now on the federal political scene.

00:09:23.400 Justin Trudeau has his close pals in the prime minister's office, people like Gerald Butts,

00:09:28.360 and he has some ministers who he seems pretty tight with, like Catherine McKenna, the environment and climate change minister, as it is now known as.

00:09:36.320 And they're really not too crazy about people who aren't really in lockstep with their agenda.

00:09:41.080 And I think increasingly, it wasn't so bad in 2015 when it was all sunny ways and it was all smiles.

00:09:47.380 But now that things have gotten rather difficult for the liberals, and Doug Ford is now in office,

00:09:52.300 and that means that the majority of Ontarians are not so happy with the carbon tax,

00:09:56.280 the liberals, they don't know how to deal with the fact that they're no longer,

00:09:59.560 that Trudeau is no longer necessarily the golden boy for everyone.

00:10:02.780 And rather than try to kind of, you know, find a way to kill them with kindness or whatnot, bring people on board, 0.75

00:10:07.280 they're being pretty snippy and they're being pretty darn right nasty.

00:10:10.540 And I don't know if it's a good look for them, and I'm certainly not sure if it's one of electoral success.

00:10:16.220 Yes, Anthony, it is quite a departure from sunny ways, as you mentioned.

00:10:20.020 But if we look at the chronology, where do you think things began to deviate in terms of the Mr. Nice Guys and Mr. Nice Gals?

00:10:29.060 I think you mentioned your column, there was that elbow issue in the House.

00:10:34.160 Can you elaborate on that?

00:10:36.580 Well, that's one of them, elbow gate, from quite a while ago now,

00:10:40.120 when Trudeau wanted people to be voting on ramming through some electoral reform stuff.

00:10:44.740 And the clock was ticking and the Speaker was trying to get people to take their seats.

00:10:48.680 And Trudeau, he wouldn't have any of it.

00:10:51.060 And he stood up and he went and he grabbed a couple MPs and tried to sort of drag them over to their seats a little bit.

00:10:57.200 And people thought, oh, that's a bit of an ugly look.

00:10:58.860 And it's not his place.

00:10:59.860 He's the Prime Minister.

00:11:00.820 But the Prime Minister in the Canadian system, like in the British system, is just first among equals.

00:11:05.120 He's just one of 338 MPs.

00:11:07.120 It was the Speaker's job to do that.

00:11:08.740 So that was a big no-no.

00:11:10.160 Although he didn't get his back up so much about that.

00:11:12.560 I think that's when people first started to ask questions about him.

00:11:15.240 Where I think he and his team really got shaken was that few-week period where there was both the India trip

00:11:22.020 and the PeopleKind comment, which came right after, where that was just pure goof troupe.

00:11:27.700 And, you know, David, it's said that it's OK when people love you.

00:11:31.240 And it's also OK when people fear you.

00:11:33.900 But it's not OK when they start laughing at you.

00:11:37.480 And the problem is, Justin Trudeau, I mean, conservatives have always disliked the guy, so whatever.

00:11:41.860 But I think regular people, the swing voters, the people who would normally seek him out for selfies,

00:11:48.420 they've started to laugh at him.

00:11:50.440 And I think that's what really gets under their skin.

00:11:52.900 And that's probably the moment where the wheels really start to come off the bus.

00:11:59.240 You know, I think you've zeroed in on something very important here, Anthony,

00:12:02.740 and that is the idea of being laughed at.

00:12:05.220 People with big egos, and I think Justin Trudeau has an ego the size of the TD Center.

00:12:11.660 The one thing they really can't bear is to be ignored or, even worse, to be laughed at.

00:12:17.600 And we are seeing that.

00:12:19.080 And you see the comments, the memes on social media.

00:12:22.420 It must be a grating to him.

00:12:25.600 But it's gone beyond that.

00:12:27.620 You've seen in recent days, you know, senior cabinet ministers chastising their political opponents

00:12:35.800 as being racist or un-Canadian for merely having the temerity to raise questions about border security.

00:12:43.060 Well, exactly.

00:12:44.000 And one thing that happened today, David, that's very interesting,

00:12:46.980 is that we had the cabinet shuffle, which is a bit of a snooze fest for regular folks.

00:12:51.500 It's just the insiders who talk about it.

00:12:53.140 One thing, though, I did find very interesting is sort of a two-part on that Mean Girls note.

00:12:57.580 One, they didn't move Catherine McKenna, who's been a major mean girl in terms of deriding people 0.90

00:13:03.060 who aren't on board with their carbon tax agenda.

00:13:05.720 So it's telling.

00:13:06.440 They're sort of endorsing her antics.

00:13:08.960 Number two, they created this new position, Minister of Border Security.

00:13:12.900 Now, at face value, David, I'm very much in support of that because it suggests they're acknowledging

00:13:17.240 that the situation is serious and they need someone really working on it aggressively.

00:13:21.420 Former Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair is going to be the guy doing it.

00:13:24.400 But I got to wonder, David, is his job going to be to police them, the people who are crossing illegally, 0.93

00:13:30.480 or is his job going to be to police us, to police the Canadians, the majority, the super majority of Canadians

00:13:37.560 who say we have a problem with this situation?

00:13:40.140 Is he going to be in the front lines of calling people un-Canadian and alt-right and racist

00:13:44.860 and whatever other terms they can come away with from the kitchen sink to deride people?

00:13:49.420 Or is he going to get serious on the issue? I don't know.

00:13:51.920 He hasn't been part of the Mean Girls PAC yet, so I'm going to call it as I see it.

00:13:55.640 And I certainly hope he deals effectively with the issue.

00:13:58.440 But we should wait and see, and the pressure should be on him to perform well.

00:14:01.900 You know, that is a fascinating question to ask, Anthony,

00:14:04.500 because in addition to being Minister of Border Security, that's only half the title.

00:14:08.100 The other half is organized crime reduction, whatever that means.

00:14:13.160 So I never thought of it in that context, that this is going to be some ex-law enforcement guy

00:14:20.160 virtue signaling to the rest of Canada, not to be mean ourselves, you know,

00:14:27.080 to wannabe refugees and would-be migrants and what have you.

00:14:30.720 But, you know, what else I find fascinating here, Anthony,

00:14:34.960 is that you would think that if the pundits were right,

00:14:39.820 and I think you believe they were right,

00:14:41.780 that there was a degree of maybe arrogance or sour demeanor

00:14:45.940 by the Harper conservatives in the last election.

00:14:49.200 If the pundits were right about that,

00:14:52.120 wouldn't the liberals, for their own selfish reasons,

00:14:55.760 try to avoid Mean Girls territory,

00:14:58.400 because it saw what it did to a majority Harper government in 2015?

00:15:04.300 Well, yes and no, but I think Stephen Harper and the PMO also looked at the numbers too,

00:15:09.600 and a number of them immediately on election night after they lost,

00:15:13.060 Jason Kenney, who was a major influential figure in the conservative government,

00:15:16.480 he right away zeroed in, you know, five minutes after the polls closed

00:15:19.360 and they learned that they had lost and Trudeau had won,

00:15:21.280 but that had been a decisive element.

00:15:22.920 So, I mean, it's who you are.

00:15:24.660 It's in your nature.

00:15:25.360 Now, Stephen Harper, I mean, I've met the guy, I've seen him speak a number of times.

00:15:29.180 I don't think it's fair to say that they characterized him as a nasty individual and so forth.

00:15:34.480 I don't think that's fair, but he's not all chuckles and giggles.

00:15:37.660 He's a sort of low-key guy in terms of doing the big smiles and the hamming it up to the crowd.

00:15:43.400 So, it was in his nature.

00:15:44.900 Likewise, I think being this kind of mean girl was in Trudeau's nature.

00:15:50.240 He smiles a lot for the camera,

00:15:52.180 but, David, he doesn't have a self-deprecating sense of humor,

00:15:55.580 which we saw with, we can come up with, you know,

00:15:57.420 Brian Mulroney and Ronald Reagan, for instance, had that a lot,

00:16:00.200 where they laughed at themselves and they would tell jokes almost, you know,

00:16:03.600 at their own expense.

00:16:04.640 When meeting with Gorbachev, Reagan would sort of tell funny jokes.

00:16:07.860 I've heard Mulroney make jokes at his own expense before.

00:16:10.440 I've never heard Justin Trudeau tell a real joke that gets the room laughing,

00:16:14.600 particularly a self-deprecating one.

00:16:16.340 The smile is kind of an edgy smile.

00:16:18.480 I want to be on the cover of GQ smile.

00:16:21.360 It's not a warm, inviting one.

00:16:24.440 No, I haven't heard anything self-deprecating emanating from the mouth of Justin Trudeau either, Anthony.

00:16:29.620 But here's what I think is a $64,000 question.

00:16:32.680 I'm going to pose it to you, Anthony.

00:16:34.660 I know the federal election is more than a year away.

00:16:37.760 In politics, that is three eternities wrapped into one.

00:16:41.820 However, this meanness that we are seeing, this mean girls attitude by the federal Justin Trudeau liberals,

00:16:52.580 is it resonating, do you think, with the voters out there?

00:16:56.920 Well, I think it's certainly changed perceptions, not just for the sort of hardened political class,

00:17:01.900 because they don't really matter.

00:17:03.340 They're stuck in their trenches and they're going to do what they do.

00:17:05.620 But I think for the average folks out there, for the swing voter, Trudeau's sort of seriousness has been called into question.

00:17:12.620 And the kokanee grope, that was a thing that was heard around the world.

00:17:16.360 The because it's 2015 line was what endeared him to women, really, the world over,

00:17:20.880 and got him on the cover of all these fancy magazines.

00:17:23.900 And the kokanee grope was echoed in a pretty similar way.

00:17:27.080 So I think his whole kind of broader narrative and how people view Trudeau has shifted a little bit.

00:17:33.380 And it will be curious to see whether he can correct that to one more in his favor.

00:17:36.940 I think right now he's really just kind of a workaday politician,

00:17:40.820 and people are beginning to get a bit cynical about him.

00:17:43.820 And that's where you're certainly open to attack.

00:17:46.060 So we shall see, right?

00:17:47.340 It still stands, David, that both Andrew Scheer and Jagmeet Singh are pretty uninspiring guys,

00:17:51.280 and people don't know them.

00:17:52.620 So I don't know who the alternative would be right now.

00:17:55.420 But if I was Andrew Scheer, I'd really be looking to shore myself up.

00:17:59.520 Yeah, no kidding.

00:18:00.380 And by the way, I'm really glad you brought up the kokanee grope, 1.00

00:18:02.940 because it falls into the department of self-deprecation,

00:18:06.720 the kind of humor we've never seen from Justin Trudeau.

00:18:09.120 And it's this.

00:18:09.660 He's never really apologized for that, has he, Anthony?

00:18:12.320 In fact, all his tearful apologies these past three years,

00:18:16.640 you know, Ezra Levent has certainly gone on about this.

00:18:20.040 It's always for the sins of others that, you know,

00:18:23.400 how the gay community is being treated, how aboriginals have been treated.

00:18:27.600 He's always apologizing on the behalf of Canadians.

00:18:31.300 And yet, when there's something that, you know,

00:18:33.400 he really had to man up and apologize for, it's just not in his blood, is it?

00:18:38.660 Yeah, Ezra and I talked about this the other week, David.

00:18:41.180 And I think I won't sort of relitigate all of that,

00:18:43.500 because there's so many odd things about that apology or that lack of apology,

00:18:47.540 the way he addressed it.

00:18:48.620 But the one word that keeps coming back to me is icky.

00:18:51.140 There's something just really icky and off about the whole thing.

00:18:54.240 And I think even if you, you know, you can't perfectly articulate it,

00:18:57.460 a lot of people out there, particularly women out there, go, 0.99

00:19:00.060 there's something about this that just ain't quite right.

00:19:03.160 And that's not a position you want to be in if you're Trudeau.

00:19:06.020 Well, Anthony, I want to thank you for coming on.

00:19:08.500 I think the takeaway for me and I think for our viewers is,

00:19:11.960 if you haven't seen Mean Girls, go see Mean Girls. 1.00

00:19:14.400 It sounds like a newer version of Heather's, which was also about Mean Girls,

00:19:18.900 which I did see and I enjoyed very much.

00:19:21.540 Thank you so much for joining me on the Ezra Levin Show, Anthony.

00:19:24.440 There you go. Thanks, David.

00:19:25.820 Thank you.

00:19:26.660 And folks, keep it here.

00:19:27.720 More of the Ezra Levin Show to come right after this.

00:19:29.840 Well, it might be hot and sunny in the greater Toronto area these days,

00:19:44.840 but there is a dark side, too.

00:19:46.980 Namely, the homicide rate continues to rise.

00:19:50.820 Barely a week goes by in which someone isn't murdered in Toronto the Good

00:19:54.800 as the city experiences yet another summer of the gun.

00:19:59.960 To date, there have been 55 homicides in Toronto alone

00:20:03.520 as the city is on track to break the 1991 record of 86 murders.

00:20:09.220 So what is behind this spike in violence?

00:20:12.500 And with more on this ominous story,

00:20:14.780 we have Toronto Sun columnist Joe Warmington.

00:20:17.540 Thanks for joining us, Scrawler.

00:20:19.440 And say it ain't so, Joe, but as I understand it,

00:20:22.360 Toronto's homicide rate on a per capita basis

00:20:25.480 is actually higher than New York City's right now?

00:20:29.340 That's what I've seen reported.

00:20:30.920 I haven't, you know, drilled in on it to see how it could be.

00:20:33.340 But, you know, if you think about it,

00:20:35.460 particularly Manhattan and places like that,

00:20:39.200 it's really difficult to commit a homicide.

00:20:41.180 They do happen, but not in the frequency that it happened in the 70s there.

00:20:45.900 In Toronto, you're not safe anywhere.

00:20:48.360 I mean, anywhere.

00:20:49.360 Eaton Centre at the corner of, you know,

00:20:52.580 Young and Dundas at the Dundas Square.

00:20:54.660 Anywhere they'll get you.

00:20:55.920 And, you know, Joe, you, when we spoke off camera

00:20:58.860 when we were setting this up earlier today,

00:21:00.820 you corrected me when I said the summer of the gun.

00:21:03.300 You just said summer of death.

00:21:05.780 Because it's not necessarily a gun.

00:21:07.840 And certainly we had the van attack.

00:21:10.200 Well, I was with you.

00:21:11.500 Yes, indeed.

00:21:12.300 And we did a show right from the scene there.

00:21:13.580 And, you know, I remember us talking, if you ever rolled that back,

00:21:17.840 it'd be interesting to see, you know,

00:21:19.480 how we sort of foreshadowed what was going to come.

00:21:23.660 You know, that's the example that people say,

00:21:26.100 and you hear it from politicians all the time, even this year.

00:21:29.140 We've got to get the guns off the street, more gun control.

00:21:31.700 It's got nothing to do with guns.

00:21:32.880 I mean, they'll kill you with, even the story today,

00:21:35.460 with the wire, a guy's been charged.

00:21:37.080 Have you ever heard of a wire as a weapon?

00:21:39.060 Weapons charge?

00:21:39.700 Yeah, Joe, that was one of your stories from today.

00:21:41.920 Knives, guns, vans, anything.

00:21:43.040 Machetes.

00:21:43.820 I mean, but you know what?

00:21:45.480 For some reason, I mean, a homicide is a homicide.

00:21:48.280 I get it.

00:21:48.960 A loss of life is tragic.

00:21:50.340 But this one about the wire and the motorcyclist, it was so bizarre.

00:21:55.240 And I found it personally disturbing.

00:21:58.120 Can you tell us what you know about that story, Sophie?

00:22:00.060 Yeah, well, it's a shocking story.

00:22:02.440 And basically what you have is some guy walking along,

00:22:05.660 and he sees a wire that's hooked up.

00:22:07.260 It's sort of something to do with the hydro or whatever.

00:22:10.360 And he doesn't just leave it.

00:22:11.580 He decides to pull it across the street.

00:22:13.980 He waits for a motorcycle to come,

00:22:15.700 and then tightens it as long as he can get it.

00:22:18.020 And the motorcycle, you know, basically went into it

00:22:22.260 and kind of like, you know, fell.

00:22:25.140 Almost an attempt to decapitate him.

00:22:27.800 And I've never heard of anything like that in my years as a reporter.

00:22:31.800 And you know, Joe, what I think is so disturbing about this story

00:22:35.160 is that this was not someone with a vendetta against another person.

00:22:39.340 No, there's a chance to hurt somebody.

00:22:40.100 Yeah, this wasn't even a road rage incident. 1.00

00:22:43.320 Sadistic, psychopathic person.

00:22:45.360 And we're seeing it in Toronto in the last few weeks. 0.94

00:22:47.760 I mean, there's story after story of all kinds of, you know,

00:22:50.800 I guess the mentally challenged people or people that have mental illnesses 0.99

00:22:54.340 on the street jumping on hoods of cars and on the roof,

00:22:57.420 and it goes on and on and on.

00:22:58.480 And this falls into that category perhaps.

00:23:02.360 But the other thing is that we're not talking about is these so, you know,

00:23:05.380 what I call dangerous injection sites, which is, you know,

00:23:09.220 they get people to come into a particular area.

00:23:11.620 They don't supply them with the actual narcotic,

00:23:15.520 but they give them the needle.

00:23:16.540 They help them do it.

00:23:18.220 Where do you think they get the drugs from?

00:23:21.160 The drugs aren't put together.

00:23:22.860 You just go to the ATM and get them.

00:23:24.680 You've got to commit a crime to get the money to go buy them.

00:23:26.880 And then the money fuels other crimes, including guns.

00:23:30.160 So, you know, these are indicators of where your city is at,

00:23:34.400 where your society is at when you see these kind of crazy things happening,

00:23:37.880 and there's lots of it this year.

00:23:39.320 And, Joe, a lot of the crime, a lot of the homicides, I mean,

00:23:43.120 these are gang bangers.

00:23:45.040 These are gang wars.

00:23:46.220 I always find it fascinating to see why the police are so reluctant

00:23:50.160 to describe something that's clearly a gang war as a gang war.

00:23:54.900 But when we drill down to find out why we've seen this spike

00:23:59.860 and why this might be a record-setting year,

00:24:02.040 I know one of the reasons some of the experts in law enforcement have floated

00:24:05.760 was we got rid of carding,

00:24:08.480 which was a good intelligence tool for police officers,

00:24:13.920 you know, to get a grip on what was about to occur.

00:24:17.500 What are your thoughts on the demise of carding

00:24:20.120 and the homicide rate we have now?

00:24:22.220 I mean, you can sort of tie them together.

00:24:26.120 Of course, a lot of people don't want to do that.

00:24:28.360 But the carding and the whole concept of policing,

00:24:31.140 you know, the fact that we're going to treat it like a budget thing

00:24:34.020 and it has to be run like a McDonald's efficiently

00:24:36.700 and all this kind of stuff,

00:24:38.200 has technology changes and has, you know,

00:24:40.820 obviously society changes and the criminal changes.

00:24:43.360 The reality is that it's not just that they eliminated street checks,

00:24:46.420 but they've eliminated just the regular conversations.

00:24:48.680 So if I see you out behind the rebel and you're hanging around out there,

00:24:53.480 if I go up to you as a police officer and say, you know,

00:24:56.620 what are you doing here?

00:24:57.800 How are you?

00:24:58.500 Or whatever, however you want to start it,

00:25:00.620 you can say that you're being racist or you're being homophobic

00:25:05.020 or whatever it is, just like that.

00:25:07.740 I have to give you a card as a police officer,

00:25:09.680 here's how you can complain about me.

00:25:10.920 Because if you feel that, you know, this interaction isn't comfortable.

00:25:14.700 So the police officers aren't going to do that

00:25:16.440 because, you know, they don't need that.

00:25:18.960 They've got enough trouble as it is to have to go back.

00:25:21.200 So that's what they've done.

00:25:22.200 They've eliminated it.

00:25:23.120 Now, if you're a person of color or you have a religious, you know, garb, 1.00

00:25:27.040 whatever, that kind of thing,

00:25:28.160 then it's a no-go zone for officers altogether

00:25:30.440 because they know that if they do get it wrong,

00:25:34.340 they don't want to be deemed as racist when they're not racist.

00:25:37.640 Now, the other side of it is the interactions may be fine.

00:25:40.920 I mean, you can go up to somebody from any race or any religion

00:25:44.400 and say something and they might just say,

00:25:46.020 oh, I'm just here to see so-and-so and there's no problem.

00:25:48.700 But are you going to take that chance as a police officer?

00:25:51.040 And that's what they tell me.

00:25:52.420 They don't want to take the chance.

00:25:53.600 And, you know, I agree with you, Joe.

00:25:55.040 I mean, I've never seen such a racially charged environment.

00:25:59.300 And I think the pinnacle was reached a few weeks ago

00:26:03.120 when Mayor John Tory rightfully and justifiably referred to a couple of gangbangers

00:26:09.640 who indiscriminately shot at two little girls who were in a playground

00:26:13.100 and he referred to them as sewer rats.

00:26:15.400 And by the way, didn't even know what the race of the people were at the time.

00:26:19.300 And you had the social justice warriors led by the likes of Desmond Cole.

00:26:23.860 You know, everything is to be blamed upon,

00:26:26.120 white privilege and white supremacy and whatnot,

00:26:28.580 saying that that was a despicable use of language, 0.99

00:26:32.360 that he was referring to an entire community as sewer rats

00:26:36.960 when clearly that wasn't what the mayor was doing.

00:26:39.040 But what I'm saying, Joe, is that when you have the left going to bat

00:26:43.120 for murderers or wannabe murderers based on racism,

00:26:50.560 we've crossed the line here.

00:26:52.360 Yeah, and again, it's just Desmond Cole doing what Desmond Cole does.

00:26:55.400 And it's amazing how, in the mainstream media, he still gets to march on,

00:27:00.040 even though he does something like that. 1.00

00:27:02.020 The reality is that they are scumbags or sewer rats. 0.99

00:27:04.640 The mayor was right to call them that. 0.99

00:27:06.700 He didn't talk about a whole, you know, everybody in society.

00:27:10.360 He's talking about these two people.

00:27:12.660 Two little girls were struck and a third one was grazed.

00:27:16.380 And there was 11 other kids that were traumatized.

00:27:18.680 And so, you know, the problem is that if you call something for what it really is,

00:27:24.280 then you get on your back foot and call it a name or racist.

00:27:27.960 When, in fact, we're calling it for what it is.

00:27:30.740 And we've called it out all year.

00:27:32.380 We're at 55 homicides.

00:27:34.060 We're on target.

00:27:35.260 You know, it's conceivable we could hit 100 this year,

00:27:37.860 but certainly on pace for 90, which would obliterate the record.

00:27:41.560 And that's not okay with most of us.

00:27:43.280 Most of us that are raising our families here, it's not okay.

00:27:46.140 But, Joe, and that's the thing, too.

00:27:47.300 I'm glad you mentioned family, and I'm going to talk about a bigger picture thing for our last question.

00:27:53.940 But how can we even try to solve this problem if we can't even honestly discuss it?

00:28:00.080 There is a disproportionate percentage of offenders and victims, for that matter, who are black.

00:28:05.820 And also, we know in the black community, there is a huge proportion of fatherless families.

00:28:12.620 But you can't even, you know that, Joe, and I'm going to get condemned by the usual suspect,

00:28:17.780 for bringing up the whole idea of not having a strong father figure in a family

00:28:22.580 as being maybe a potential factor in leading to this.

00:28:26.160 What are your thoughts?

00:28:27.600 Well, I have thoughts on that.

00:28:28.960 I just want to say, you know, some of the names.

00:28:30.820 Nambi Ogba was just walking to his car, and he was taken out, and he was a really good guy.

00:28:35.220 And then, recently, it was Janice Nyarko, who was just at a funeral for a friend.

00:28:41.380 She was from Nigeria, but, you know, she lived here. 0.95

00:28:44.100 And not too far from where we're sitting, you know, in the city of Toronto here,

00:28:47.460 there's a bowling alley where Ruma Amar was gunned down,

00:28:52.740 and she was just out with her fiancé and gunned down.

00:28:56.420 So, those are three of the names, just in case people don't know that they're not real people.

00:29:00.260 I can name more.

00:29:00.960 I don't buy the fatherless family thing.

00:29:05.280 That's another one of those leftist constructs that they try to do.

00:29:09.300 A lot of the people that are killed, the young black youth, are fathers themselves.

00:29:14.580 They have fathers.

00:29:16.380 The fathers, they have mothers. 0.66

00:29:17.820 The mothers, I don't take off the hook for the gang activity.

00:29:20.880 A lot of the mothers and women are in on it or participating in it or eating and abetting it.

00:29:26.200 I'm not saying all of them, some of them, but it's a difficult situation.

00:29:30.800 And also, single mothers, you know, it's a very powerful thing. 1.00

00:29:33.260 There's been so many people raised by single mothers that have turned out just fine.

00:29:38.180 I agree.

00:29:38.580 So, I hear what you're saying.

00:29:41.300 It's another one of these search for solutions to the issue.

00:29:44.880 The issue is, the reality is, when you commit a serious crime, you have to do the time.

00:29:50.720 And we're not doing that.

00:29:51.680 We're not taking it seriously.

00:29:52.980 Every one of these cases, the people were either on bail before the courts or on parole.

00:29:59.340 And, you know, that's really what it has nothing to do with mom or dad, the individual.

00:30:04.180 Well, we might-

00:30:05.100 In my view.

00:30:05.600 We might differ there, but I will, you know, to go back to your original points, I do agree

00:30:10.220 that when you have a revolving door justice system and you have the tools being removed

00:30:17.540 from police officers, I guess, hey, congratulations, Left.

00:30:22.620 If this is your politically correct panacea, just check out where the homicide rate is going.

00:30:28.840 It's a sad disgrace.

00:30:30.700 And it's not just the homicide rate you have to look at.

00:30:33.020 It's the shootings.

00:30:33.680 The shootings are way up.

00:30:34.740 The violence is way up.

00:30:36.280 You know, the incidences that we've written about this week, quite a few of them, they

00:30:40.180 didn't turn out to be homicides, including the motorcycle one that we talked about earlier

00:30:43.720 here.

00:30:43.980 Could have been, though.

00:30:44.620 But it could have been.

00:30:45.340 But they all add up to the one thing.

00:30:47.300 And what that is, is it's not really a safe city.

00:30:49.960 It's not.

00:30:51.000 And you could try to sort of gloss it over.

00:30:53.620 And that's why this mayor's race, if it does happen with Blaine Lastman, if he does actually

00:30:57.500 throw his hat in the ring, we'll have that conversation in there. 0.85

00:31:01.040 It's not that John Tory doesn't, you know, care about crime and that.

00:31:04.480 He cares about it.

00:31:05.500 And he's not afraid to get in there and mix it up.

00:31:08.220 But he's the guy that made the decision to pull the carding, if you want to call it that.

00:31:13.020 He's the guy that sided with Desmond Cole.

00:31:16.500 And so he has to live with that thing.

00:31:18.060 And the voters need to decide, well, you know what, whose side are we on?

00:31:21.040 Are we on the thug side?

00:31:22.560 Are we on the cop side?

00:31:23.820 I think it's an easy decision for us.

00:31:26.140 Indeed it is.

00:31:26.720 Joe, thank you so much for coming by and great reporting in the Toronto Sun, as always.

00:31:31.000 Thank you. Good to be here.

00:31:31.540 And folks, keep it here.

00:31:32.740 More of the Ezra Levin show to come up right after this.

00:31:35.140 On my monologue yesterday about Ivanka Trump's clothing line being pulled from Hudson's Bay,

00:31:53.080 Muta Ween writes, 1.00

00:31:54.220 Well, Muta, they are free to utter their idiocy, of course. 1.00

00:32:07.480 But you know what? 1.00

00:32:08.420 It's sad to see such a large retailer, such as the Hudson's Bay, actually acquiescing to the demands of these nutters.

00:32:17.320 Paul writes,

00:32:18.020 Well, you know, you raise an interesting point, Paul.

00:32:40.800 Traditional department store chains are having a really tough go of it these days,

00:32:44.780 primarily because of the advent of online shopping.

00:32:48.960 We've witnessed the demise of Sears and Target in Canada in recent years.

00:32:53.420 So it will be interesting to see what lays ahead for the Bay.

00:32:58.020 As for a government bailout, well, the Bay would really have to fail on the level of a Bombardier to get cash.

00:33:05.900 After all, it's only the very biggest losers in Canada that get rewarded.

00:33:11.000 Well, thank you so much, my friend.

00:33:23.780 And what Tammy is referring to, folks, are those statements uttered by a protester who is part of a group called the Peeved Beavers.

00:33:32.200 This group was pressuring the Bay to drop the Ivanka Trump line.

00:33:37.420 And the Mensa Club member I interviewed actually thought that Trump's locker room talk from many years ago was a bigger issue for feminists than how women are being treated today in Saudi Arabia. 1.00

00:33:51.080 You can't make this up, folks.

00:33:53.100 As you know, Ezra is in the United Kingdom covering the Tommy Robinson legal appeal.

00:33:59.120 And today that appeal was heard at the Royal Courts of Justice in London.

00:34:03.880 I'll say goodbye now and leave you with this very important update from Ezra on Tommy Robinson.

00:34:09.920 Thanks so much for watching and keep fighting for freedom.

00:34:13.160 I think if I had to read the tea leaves, I'd say the Lord Chief Justice himself seems sympathetic to Tommy.

00:34:21.160 He really honed in on the strengths of Tommy's appeal and he pointed out some of the weaknesses in the counter arguments by Mr. Mabley.

00:34:29.580 So I found that very encouraging.

00:34:31.920 There were two secondary or associate justices.

00:34:34.980 They were less voluble than the Chief Justice and maybe less supportive.

00:34:38.740 But if I had to tell you my guess, it would be that Tommy Robinson will be released.

00:34:44.840 Now, at the end of today's hearing, we're done, by the way.

00:34:47.640 I thought it might proceed into tomorrow, but we're done.

00:34:50.500 The judges said, the Chief Justice himself said, that the three judges want to confirm.

00:34:56.300 And given how important this case is, not just for Tommy and his supporters and not just for the incidents at hand, but the precedent that this will set.

00:35:04.660 I mean, this will create many precedents, how journalists can treat trials, how contempt of court is handled procedurally, the kind of punishments that can be meted out to a contemner.

00:35:17.680 That's a word I learned today.

00:35:19.280 That's someone in contempt.

00:35:20.540 So there's so much law that will be created in any given trial.

00:35:24.680 Well, the precedent that's said is not necessarily strong.

00:35:27.600 But when you have the Lord Chief Justice himself with two associate judges weighing in on a case as political as this, it will cast a shadow for decades to come of precedent.

00:35:38.640 So it is wise and thoughtful for the Chief Justice to say, give us some time to write this properly.

00:35:45.500 Of course it is.

00:35:46.600 But what troubled me somewhat is that the Justice said, we might need the end of July.

00:35:53.160 Well, that's a long time for Tommy Robinson to have to continue to rot in solitary confinement.

00:35:59.180 I might have thought that the judges would have granted him bail while they take their sweet time in writing the appeal.

00:36:06.480 That did not happen.

00:36:07.620 Now, that said, the judges could return any time.

00:36:10.520 They could come back tomorrow.

00:36:11.640 I don't think they will.

00:36:12.340 But when they say they want the rest of July, that doesn't mean they need to take the rest of July.

00:36:17.300 I think that Tommy will get out of prison.

00:36:22.520 His lawyers asked for everything.

00:36:24.200 They asked for, you know, they criticized the length of the sentence, but they also criticized his convictions, not just the one in Leeds in May, but the one in Canterbury last year, if you recall.

00:36:35.520 That's a quite a dramatic reach.

00:36:37.220 But when you throw everything at the wall, something might stick.

00:36:42.600 And I think Tommy just needs one of those things to stick.

00:36:46.580 And he's out.

00:36:48.360 If he appeals the sentence and the judges say, yeah, that's too long.

00:36:51.920 He's out.

00:36:53.080 If he gets the Leeds conviction quashed, he's out because he's already served so much time.

00:36:59.960 If he gets the Canterbury matter quashed, well, then surely the Leeds matter will be quashed, too.

00:37:05.340 I think Tommy may win one or two out of these three things and be set free.

00:37:12.040 To you, our Rebel viewers, you really helped make this possible.

00:37:17.640 Tommy Robinson was not appealing.

00:37:20.200 He was not going to appeal this case.

00:37:21.940 But you provided the dough.

00:37:24.520 You crowdfunded the dough at SaveTommy.com.

00:37:28.440 And as you know, 100% of any surplus there will go to Tommy's family.

00:37:31.640 And you even crowdfunded my plane ticket and hotel fare to come here from Canada.

00:37:37.620 And I'm really glad I did.

00:37:39.480 You helped out at TommyTrial.com.

00:37:41.920 So thank you for chipping in twice.

00:37:44.040 So and by the way, I met a lot of people here today who had chipped in also from the UK.

00:37:48.780 So this is a real grassroots rebellion.

00:37:51.080 Even the journalism we're doing here.

00:37:53.160 Well, I've gone on quite too long.

00:37:54.880 But I'm just giving you the thoughts of the day.

00:37:56.540 I would say I'm optimistic, cautiously optimistic.

00:37:59.280 I think the legal team did a good job.

00:38:01.880 I think it was nice to see a broad variety of support for Tommy.

00:38:07.360 Tommy himself looked sharp.

00:38:09.780 He looked alert.

00:38:10.660 He looked upbeat.

00:38:11.820 When he recognized someone on the video phone that he knew, you could see his heart warm.

00:38:18.940 And he smiled and waved.

00:38:20.680 It was actually quite touching.

00:38:23.000 There were some family members of Tommy here today.

00:38:25.700 Obviously, they keep a very low profile for obvious reasons.

00:38:28.700 But I think they were touched as well.

00:38:31.580 And they expressed through me to you, our viewers, their gratitude for your help.

00:38:36.640 It's not my help.

00:38:37.480 I mean, I chipped in a little bit, I suppose.

00:38:39.400 But a minuscule amount compared to what our viewers have done.

00:38:44.220 So really, this is your success.

00:38:46.740 And when Tommy is freed, that will be your success as well.

00:38:50.340 Thank you.

00:38:50.760 Thank you.

00:38:51.160 Thank you.

00:38:55.220 Thank you.

00:38:58.900 We'll be right back.

Rebel News Podcast - July 19, 2018

Radio host in hot water after offending the transgendered community — by saying THIS (Guest host： David Menzies)

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