Radio host in hot water after offending the transgendered community — by saying THIS (Guest host： David Menzies)
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Summary
A Winnipeg radio host is fired for offending the transgendered community. Wait, what? Well, let's play the audio of it, shall we? David Menzies explains what happened, why it happened, and why it matters.
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Tonight, a Winnipeg radio host is fired for offending the transgendered community.
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It's July 18th, I'm David Menzies, and this is the Ezra Levent Show.
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Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
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There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
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You come here once a year with a sign, and you feel morally superior.
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The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.
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Dave Wheeler, host of Wheeler in the Morning, was suspended and fired by the killjoys running Rogers Media.
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You see, Wheeler apparently uttered something so hateful, so odious, so egregious that, well,
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the Winnipeg trans community took to social media, screaming,
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But before we run the clip, folks, here's the backstory.
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Wheeler was having a discussion with his co-hosts, Rena Jay and Dave Turnbull,
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about Scarlett Johansson being pressured by the trans community to drop out of the film Rub and Tug,
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and the role she was cast to play was to be a fake man.
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Apparently, because this is 2018, only trans actors can accept trans roles.
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Anyway, here's Wheeler's supposedly contentious remarks.
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You know what? I'm just, I am so, I don't think I'm the only one.
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I am so confused. I am so confused by the whole transgender community.
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I mean, literally, there's nothing you can do to make them happy.
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People act and they pretend to be different things.
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Kind of like what you're doing, really, in the grand scheme of things.
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Leapin' lizards. Did you catch that earth-shattering statement?
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Quote, people act and pretend to be different things.
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Kind of like what you're doing, really, in the grand scheme of things.
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That statement, I think, is equal parts clever and funny and, well, true.
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I mean, the very essence of an actor is to portray someone else.
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And really, what is a transgender individual but a man who thinks he's a woman
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Sure, people can get some surgical slicing and dicing of the genitals and inject some hormones.
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But at the end of the day, we are left with men pretending to be women and women pretending to be men.
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So really, Dave Wheeler's comparison is bang on.
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But true to form, some members of the Winnipeg trans community got their knickers and or boxer shorts in a knot.
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And it didn't take long for Rogers Media to suspend and then later fire Wheeler,
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stating that his comments were contrary to the company's, quote, standards and core values.
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Since when did gender bending become a standard and a core value for the cable company?
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And if you're running a radio station, I should think that a standard and core value is to keep people entertained,
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not bore them into a coma by becoming an echo chamber, endlessly reciting politically correct pablum.
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But Rogers Media told the CBC that it has invited a member of the transgender community to speak on the morning show about issues faced by transgender individuals.
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That sounds like such captivating radio now, doesn't it?
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I hope Rogers saves that content for sweeps week.
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Now, it didn't take long for Rogers to completely kick Wheeler from the penalty box to under the bus.
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That's how the big, boring media companies roll these days, folks.
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Well, at least he won't have to receive any sensitivity training.
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Remember last December when former Liberal Party pres Stephen LeDrew was suspended
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and then fired outright by Bell Media for upsetting the trans community when LeDrew appeared on Fox News?
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And what was astounding about this story is that LeDrew never actually ventured off the politically correct reserve.
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He defended the idea of the Elementary Teachers Federation of Ontario referring to the LGBT community
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with a new 15-letter identifier, namely, wait for it,
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What does all that alphabet soup stand for, you ask?
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But alas, LeDrew made a fatal error in his interview with Tucker Carlson.
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This is meaningful because teachers are being taught this, kids will be taught it,
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and I think I have a right to non-judgmentally ask what they're talking about.
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Well, two-spirit sounds like there's someone they don't know whether they're, you know, fish or fowl.
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They don't know whether they're frick or frack.
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And, you know, again, if you're confused, what better place to go than to be at school?
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LeDrew said fish or fowl, frick or frack, that these people are confused.
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And apparently the various non-binary, gender-fluid asexuals went frothing mad over this remark.
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After all, that almost sounded like they were being mocked.
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And we can't have that because mocking or even saying something that seems to be mocking,
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And so it is that Bell actually threw LeDrew under the bus, too, in order to appease the spirit unicorn community.
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And make no mistake, members of the Winnipeg trans community were out for Wheeler's blood.
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The CBC story quotes various transgender females as saying that Wheeler's comments are tantamount to hate speech
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And, you know what, in the blink of an eyelash, he was.
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They had his career thrown into the dumpster for essentially doing what he is contractually obligated to do.
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After all, the transgender community continually clamors that we should all be more accepting of their lifestyles.
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Yet the same people who endlessly demand more tolerance often are the most intolerant members of society.
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Indeed, when it comes to trans issues these days, it's not about acceptance anymore.
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It's about affirmation, which is to say, if you aren't an all-out cheerleader for the trans community,
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then you are therefore a bigot and a transphobe and you need to be severely punished.
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We saw that play out with Stephen LeDrew and we just saw it play out with Dave Wheeler.
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Don't know about you folks, but I'm left pining for the good old days, you know,
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when tranny trouble meant that the gear shift was slipping out of drive and into neutral.
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Remember when the political pundits did their postmortems on the 2015 federal election?
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And how these analysts said that the conservatives lost the election, not so much because of bad policy issues,
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Well, just look at how the Trudeau liberals are behaving these days, especially whenever they're publicly criticized.
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They've even dismissed their critics as racists who thrive on fear-mongering.
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Indeed, the liberals, according to my next guest, have kind of devolved into the mean girls of Canadian politics.
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And joining me with more on how the liberals are increasingly behaving badly is Toronto Sun columnist Anthony Fury.
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Hey, always great to be hanging with the menzoid.
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Now, I have to admit, I've never seen Mean Girls, but I take it that, as the title implies, these aren't pleasant people.
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But, yeah, sort of the general idea of the girls in class, the girls in high school who are always picking on all the other girls,
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and they have a little clique, and they make people feel bad about themselves and so forth.
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I really see, David, that that is what's happening right now on the federal political scene.
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Justin Trudeau has his close pals in the prime minister's office, people like Gerald Butts,
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and he has some ministers who he seems pretty tight with, like Catherine McKenna, the environment and climate change minister, as it is now known as.
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And they're really not too crazy about people who aren't really in lockstep with their agenda.
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And I think increasingly, it wasn't so bad in 2015 when it was all sunny ways and it was all smiles.
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But now that things have gotten rather difficult for the liberals, and Doug Ford is now in office,
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and that means that the majority of Ontarians are not so happy with the carbon tax,
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the liberals, they don't know how to deal with the fact that they're no longer,
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that Trudeau is no longer necessarily the golden boy for everyone.
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And rather than try to kind of, you know, find a way to kill them with kindness or whatnot, bring people on board,
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they're being pretty snippy and they're being pretty darn right nasty.
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And I don't know if it's a good look for them, and I'm certainly not sure if it's one of electoral success.
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Yes, Anthony, it is quite a departure from sunny ways, as you mentioned.
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But if we look at the chronology, where do you think things began to deviate in terms of the Mr. Nice Guys and Mr. Nice Gals?
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I think you mentioned your column, there was that elbow issue in the House.
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Well, that's one of them, elbow gate, from quite a while ago now,
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when Trudeau wanted people to be voting on ramming through some electoral reform stuff.
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And the clock was ticking and the Speaker was trying to get people to take their seats.
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And he stood up and he went and he grabbed a couple MPs and tried to sort of drag them over to their seats a little bit.
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And people thought, oh, that's a bit of an ugly look.
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But the Prime Minister in the Canadian system, like in the British system, is just first among equals.
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Although he didn't get his back up so much about that.
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I think that's when people first started to ask questions about him.
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Where I think he and his team really got shaken was that few-week period where there was both the India trip
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and the PeopleKind comment, which came right after, where that was just pure goof troupe.
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And, you know, David, it's said that it's OK when people love you.
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But it's not OK when they start laughing at you.
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And the problem is, Justin Trudeau, I mean, conservatives have always disliked the guy, so whatever.
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But I think regular people, the swing voters, the people who would normally seek him out for selfies,
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And I think that's what really gets under their skin.
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And that's probably the moment where the wheels really start to come off the bus.
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You know, I think you've zeroed in on something very important here, Anthony,
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People with big egos, and I think Justin Trudeau has an ego the size of the TD Center.
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The one thing they really can't bear is to be ignored or, even worse, to be laughed at.
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And you see the comments, the memes on social media.
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You've seen in recent days, you know, senior cabinet ministers chastising their political opponents
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as being racist or un-Canadian for merely having the temerity to raise questions about border security.
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And one thing that happened today, David, that's very interesting,
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is that we had the cabinet shuffle, which is a bit of a snooze fest for regular folks.
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One thing, though, I did find very interesting is sort of a two-part on that Mean Girls note.
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One, they didn't move Catherine McKenna, who's been a major mean girl in terms of deriding people
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who aren't on board with their carbon tax agenda.
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Number two, they created this new position, Minister of Border Security.
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Now, at face value, David, I'm very much in support of that because it suggests they're acknowledging
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that the situation is serious and they need someone really working on it aggressively.
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Former Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair is going to be the guy doing it.
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But I got to wonder, David, is his job going to be to police them, the people who are crossing illegally,
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or is his job going to be to police us, to police the Canadians, the majority, the super majority of Canadians
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Is he going to be in the front lines of calling people un-Canadian and alt-right and racist
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and whatever other terms they can come away with from the kitchen sink to deride people?
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Or is he going to get serious on the issue? I don't know.
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He hasn't been part of the Mean Girls PAC yet, so I'm going to call it as I see it.
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And I certainly hope he deals effectively with the issue.
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But we should wait and see, and the pressure should be on him to perform well.
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You know, that is a fascinating question to ask, Anthony,
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because in addition to being Minister of Border Security, that's only half the title.
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The other half is organized crime reduction, whatever that means.
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So I never thought of it in that context, that this is going to be some ex-law enforcement guy
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virtue signaling to the rest of Canada, not to be mean ourselves, you know,
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to wannabe refugees and would-be migrants and what have you.
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But, you know, what else I find fascinating here, Anthony,
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is that you would think that if the pundits were right,
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that there was a degree of maybe arrogance or sour demeanor
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by the Harper conservatives in the last election.
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wouldn't the liberals, for their own selfish reasons,
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because it saw what it did to a majority Harper government in 2015?
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Well, yes and no, but I think Stephen Harper and the PMO also looked at the numbers too,
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and a number of them immediately on election night after they lost,
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Jason Kenney, who was a major influential figure in the conservative government,
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he right away zeroed in, you know, five minutes after the polls closed
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and they learned that they had lost and Trudeau had won,
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Now, Stephen Harper, I mean, I've met the guy, I've seen him speak a number of times.
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I don't think it's fair to say that they characterized him as a nasty individual and so forth.
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I don't think that's fair, but he's not all chuckles and giggles.
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He's a sort of low-key guy in terms of doing the big smiles and the hamming it up to the crowd.
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Likewise, I think being this kind of mean girl was in Trudeau's nature.
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but, David, he doesn't have a self-deprecating sense of humor,
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which we saw with, we can come up with, you know,
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Brian Mulroney and Ronald Reagan, for instance, had that a lot,
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where they laughed at themselves and they would tell jokes almost, you know,
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When meeting with Gorbachev, Reagan would sort of tell funny jokes.
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I've heard Mulroney make jokes at his own expense before.
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I've never heard Justin Trudeau tell a real joke that gets the room laughing,
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No, I haven't heard anything self-deprecating emanating from the mouth of Justin Trudeau either, Anthony.
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I know the federal election is more than a year away.
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In politics, that is three eternities wrapped into one.
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However, this meanness that we are seeing, this mean girls attitude by the federal Justin Trudeau liberals,
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is it resonating, do you think, with the voters out there?
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Well, I think it's certainly changed perceptions, not just for the sort of hardened political class,
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They're stuck in their trenches and they're going to do what they do.
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But I think for the average folks out there, for the swing voter, Trudeau's sort of seriousness has been called into question.
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And the kokanee grope, that was a thing that was heard around the world.
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The because it's 2015 line was what endeared him to women, really, the world over,
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and got him on the cover of all these fancy magazines.
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And the kokanee grope was echoed in a pretty similar way.
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So I think his whole kind of broader narrative and how people view Trudeau has shifted a little bit.
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And it will be curious to see whether he can correct that to one more in his favor.
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I think right now he's really just kind of a workaday politician,
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and people are beginning to get a bit cynical about him.
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And that's where you're certainly open to attack.
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It still stands, David, that both Andrew Scheer and Jagmeet Singh are pretty uninspiring guys,
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So I don't know who the alternative would be right now.
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But if I was Andrew Scheer, I'd really be looking to shore myself up.
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And by the way, I'm really glad you brought up the kokanee grope,
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because it falls into the department of self-deprecation,
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the kind of humor we've never seen from Justin Trudeau.
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He's never really apologized for that, has he, Anthony?
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In fact, all his tearful apologies these past three years,
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you know, Ezra Levent has certainly gone on about this.
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It's always for the sins of others that, you know,
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how the gay community is being treated, how aboriginals have been treated.
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He's always apologizing on the behalf of Canadians.
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And yet, when there's something that, you know,
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he really had to man up and apologize for, it's just not in his blood, is it?
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Yeah, Ezra and I talked about this the other week, David.
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And I think I won't sort of relitigate all of that,
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because there's so many odd things about that apology or that lack of apology,
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But the one word that keeps coming back to me is icky.
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There's something just really icky and off about the whole thing.
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And I think even if you, you know, you can't perfectly articulate it,
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a lot of people out there, particularly women out there, go,
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there's something about this that just ain't quite right.
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And that's not a position you want to be in if you're Trudeau.
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Well, Anthony, I want to thank you for coming on.
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I think the takeaway for me and I think for our viewers is,
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if you haven't seen Mean Girls, go see Mean Girls.
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It sounds like a newer version of Heather's, which was also about Mean Girls,
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Thank you so much for joining me on the Ezra Levin Show, Anthony.
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More of the Ezra Levin Show to come right after this.
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Well, it might be hot and sunny in the greater Toronto area these days,
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Barely a week goes by in which someone isn't murdered in Toronto the Good
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as the city experiences yet another summer of the gun.
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To date, there have been 55 homicides in Toronto alone
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as the city is on track to break the 1991 record of 86 murders.
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And say it ain't so, Joe, but as I understand it,
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is actually higher than New York City's right now?
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I haven't, you know, drilled in on it to see how it could be.
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They do happen, but not in the frequency that it happened in the 70s there.
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And, you know, Joe, you, when we spoke off camera
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you corrected me when I said the summer of the gun.
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And, you know, I remember us talking, if you ever rolled that back,
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how we sort of foreshadowed what was going to come.
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and you hear it from politicians all the time, even this year.
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We've got to get the guns off the street, more gun control.
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I mean, they'll kill you with, even the story today,
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Yeah, Joe, that was one of your stories from today.
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For some reason, I mean, a homicide is a homicide.
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But this one about the wire and the motorcyclist, it was so bizarre.
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Can you tell us what you know about that story, Sophie?
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And basically what you have is some guy walking along,
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It's sort of something to do with the hydro or whatever.
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And the motorcycle, you know, basically went into it
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And I've never heard of anything like that in my years as a reporter.
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And you know, Joe, what I think is so disturbing about this story
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is that this was not someone with a vendetta against another person.
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And we're seeing it in Toronto in the last few weeks.
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I mean, there's story after story of all kinds of, you know,
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I guess the mentally challenged people or people that have mental illnesses
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on the street jumping on hoods of cars and on the roof,
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But the other thing is that we're not talking about is these so, you know,
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what I call dangerous injection sites, which is, you know,
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they get people to come into a particular area.
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They don't supply them with the actual narcotic,
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You've got to commit a crime to get the money to go buy them.
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And then the money fuels other crimes, including guns.
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So, you know, these are indicators of where your city is at,
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where your society is at when you see these kind of crazy things happening,
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And, Joe, a lot of the crime, a lot of the homicides, I mean,
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I always find it fascinating to see why the police are so reluctant
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to describe something that's clearly a gang war as a gang war.
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But when we drill down to find out why we've seen this spike
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I know one of the reasons some of the experts in law enforcement have floated
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which was a good intelligence tool for police officers,
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you know, to get a grip on what was about to occur.
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What are your thoughts on the demise of carding
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Of course, a lot of people don't want to do that.
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But the carding and the whole concept of policing,
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you know, the fact that we're going to treat it like a budget thing
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and it has to be run like a McDonald's efficiently
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obviously society changes and the criminal changes.
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The reality is that it's not just that they eliminated street checks,
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but they've eliminated just the regular conversations.
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So if I see you out behind the rebel and you're hanging around out there,
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if I go up to you as a police officer and say, you know,
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you can say that you're being racist or you're being homophobic
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Because if you feel that, you know, this interaction isn't comfortable.
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They've got enough trouble as it is to have to go back.
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Now, if you're a person of color or you have a religious, you know, garb,
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because they know that if they do get it wrong,
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they don't want to be deemed as racist when they're not racist.
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Now, the other side of it is the interactions may be fine.
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I mean, you can go up to somebody from any race or any religion
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oh, I'm just here to see so-and-so and there's no problem.
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But are you going to take that chance as a police officer?
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I mean, I've never seen such a racially charged environment.
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And I think the pinnacle was reached a few weeks ago
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when Mayor John Tory rightfully and justifiably referred to a couple of gangbangers
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who indiscriminately shot at two little girls who were in a playground
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And by the way, didn't even know what the race of the people were at the time.
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And you had the social justice warriors led by the likes of Desmond Cole.
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white privilege and white supremacy and whatnot,
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saying that that was a despicable use of language,
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that he was referring to an entire community as sewer rats
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when clearly that wasn't what the mayor was doing.
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But what I'm saying, Joe, is that when you have the left going to bat
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for murderers or wannabe murderers based on racism,
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Yeah, and again, it's just Desmond Cole doing what Desmond Cole does.
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And it's amazing how, in the mainstream media, he still gets to march on,
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The reality is that they are scumbags or sewer rats.
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He didn't talk about a whole, you know, everybody in society.
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Two little girls were struck and a third one was grazed.
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And there was 11 other kids that were traumatized.
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And so, you know, the problem is that if you call something for what it really is,
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then you get on your back foot and call it a name or racist.
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When, in fact, we're calling it for what it is.
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You know, it's conceivable we could hit 100 this year,
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but certainly on pace for 90, which would obliterate the record.
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Most of us that are raising our families here, it's not okay.
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I'm glad you mentioned family, and I'm going to talk about a bigger picture thing for our last question.
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But how can we even try to solve this problem if we can't even honestly discuss it?
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There is a disproportionate percentage of offenders and victims, for that matter, who are black.
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And also, we know in the black community, there is a huge proportion of fatherless families.
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But you can't even, you know that, Joe, and I'm going to get condemned by the usual suspect,
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for bringing up the whole idea of not having a strong father figure in a family
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as being maybe a potential factor in leading to this.
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I just want to say, you know, some of the names.
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Nambi Ogba was just walking to his car, and he was taken out, and he was a really good guy.
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And then, recently, it was Janice Nyarko, who was just at a funeral for a friend.
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She was from Nigeria, but, you know, she lived here.
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And not too far from where we're sitting, you know, in the city of Toronto here,
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there's a bowling alley where Ruma Amar was gunned down,
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and she was just out with her fiancé and gunned down.
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So, those are three of the names, just in case people don't know that they're not real people.
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That's another one of those leftist constructs that they try to do.
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A lot of the people that are killed, the young black youth, are fathers themselves.
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The mothers, I don't take off the hook for the gang activity.
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A lot of the mothers and women are in on it or participating in it or eating and abetting it.
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I'm not saying all of them, some of them, but it's a difficult situation.
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And also, single mothers, you know, it's a very powerful thing.
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There's been so many people raised by single mothers that have turned out just fine.
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It's another one of these search for solutions to the issue.
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The issue is, the reality is, when you commit a serious crime, you have to do the time.
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Every one of these cases, the people were either on bail before the courts or on parole.
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And, you know, that's really what it has nothing to do with mom or dad, the individual.
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We might differ there, but I will, you know, to go back to your original points, I do agree
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that when you have a revolving door justice system and you have the tools being removed
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from police officers, I guess, hey, congratulations, Left.
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If this is your politically correct panacea, just check out where the homicide rate is going.
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And it's not just the homicide rate you have to look at.
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You know, the incidences that we've written about this week, quite a few of them, they
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didn't turn out to be homicides, including the motorcycle one that we talked about earlier
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And what that is, is it's not really a safe city.
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And that's why this mayor's race, if it does happen with Blaine Lastman, if he does actually
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throw his hat in the ring, we'll have that conversation in there.
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It's not that John Tory doesn't, you know, care about crime and that.
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And he's not afraid to get in there and mix it up.
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But he's the guy that made the decision to pull the carding, if you want to call it that.
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And the voters need to decide, well, you know what, whose side are we on?
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Joe, thank you so much for coming by and great reporting in the Toronto Sun, as always.
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More of the Ezra Levin show to come up right after this.
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On my monologue yesterday about Ivanka Trump's clothing line being pulled from Hudson's Bay,
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Well, Muta, they are free to utter their idiocy, of course.
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It's sad to see such a large retailer, such as the Hudson's Bay, actually acquiescing to the demands of these nutters.
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Well, you know, you raise an interesting point, Paul.
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Traditional department store chains are having a really tough go of it these days,
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primarily because of the advent of online shopping.
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We've witnessed the demise of Sears and Target in Canada in recent years.
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So it will be interesting to see what lays ahead for the Bay.
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As for a government bailout, well, the Bay would really have to fail on the level of a Bombardier to get cash.
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After all, it's only the very biggest losers in Canada that get rewarded.
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And what Tammy is referring to, folks, are those statements uttered by a protester who is part of a group called the Peeved Beavers.
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This group was pressuring the Bay to drop the Ivanka Trump line.
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And the Mensa Club member I interviewed actually thought that Trump's locker room talk from many years ago was a bigger issue for feminists than how women are being treated today in Saudi Arabia.
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As you know, Ezra is in the United Kingdom covering the Tommy Robinson legal appeal.
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And today that appeal was heard at the Royal Courts of Justice in London.
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I'll say goodbye now and leave you with this very important update from Ezra on Tommy Robinson.
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Thanks so much for watching and keep fighting for freedom.
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I think if I had to read the tea leaves, I'd say the Lord Chief Justice himself seems sympathetic to Tommy.
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He really honed in on the strengths of Tommy's appeal and he pointed out some of the weaknesses in the counter arguments by Mr. Mabley.
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There were two secondary or associate justices.
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They were less voluble than the Chief Justice and maybe less supportive.
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But if I had to tell you my guess, it would be that Tommy Robinson will be released.
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Now, at the end of today's hearing, we're done, by the way.
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I thought it might proceed into tomorrow, but we're done.
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The judges said, the Chief Justice himself said, that the three judges want to confirm.
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And given how important this case is, not just for Tommy and his supporters and not just for the incidents at hand, but the precedent that this will set.
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I mean, this will create many precedents, how journalists can treat trials, how contempt of court is handled procedurally, the kind of punishments that can be meted out to a contemner.
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So there's so much law that will be created in any given trial.
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Well, the precedent that's said is not necessarily strong.
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But when you have the Lord Chief Justice himself with two associate judges weighing in on a case as political as this, it will cast a shadow for decades to come of precedent.
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So it is wise and thoughtful for the Chief Justice to say, give us some time to write this properly.
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But what troubled me somewhat is that the Justice said, we might need the end of July.
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Well, that's a long time for Tommy Robinson to have to continue to rot in solitary confinement.
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I might have thought that the judges would have granted him bail while they take their sweet time in writing the appeal.
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Now, that said, the judges could return any time.
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But when they say they want the rest of July, that doesn't mean they need to take the rest of July.
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They asked for, you know, they criticized the length of the sentence, but they also criticized his convictions, not just the one in Leeds in May, but the one in Canterbury last year, if you recall.
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But when you throw everything at the wall, something might stick.
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And I think Tommy just needs one of those things to stick.
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If he appeals the sentence and the judges say, yeah, that's too long.
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If he gets the Leeds conviction quashed, he's out because he's already served so much time.
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If he gets the Canterbury matter quashed, well, then surely the Leeds matter will be quashed, too.
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I think Tommy may win one or two out of these three things and be set free.
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To you, our Rebel viewers, you really helped make this possible.
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And as you know, 100% of any surplus there will go to Tommy's family.
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And you even crowdfunded my plane ticket and hotel fare to come here from Canada.
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So and by the way, I met a lot of people here today who had chipped in also from the UK.
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But I'm just giving you the thoughts of the day.
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I would say I'm optimistic, cautiously optimistic.
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I think it was nice to see a broad variety of support for Tommy.
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When he recognized someone on the video phone that he knew, you could see his heart warm.
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There were some family members of Tommy here today.
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Obviously, they keep a very low profile for obvious reasons.
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And they expressed through me to you, our viewers, their gratitude for your help.
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But a minuscule amount compared to what our viewers have done.
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And when Tommy is freed, that will be your success as well.