Trump tweets a new 25% tariff on Canadian steel and aluminum, and Ontario Premier Doug Ford responds with a 25% hike on U.S. What does that mean for Canada and the rest of the country? What does it mean for the economy? And is this a good or bad thing? Today's co-hosts Sheila Gunn-Reed and Tamara Ugolini discuss it all.
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00:02:44.940And as Sheila mentioned, we have a ton of things to talk about today, including this never-ending, I'm calling it a political ping pong, a tariff ping pong,
00:02:55.060where it's like, I'm going to serve you with this 25% hike on whatever, and then retaliatory measures are taken.
00:03:02.240And as we've seen with Ontario Premier Doug Ford in recent days, as soon as Trump so much as posts on social media, in this particular instance,
00:03:12.440he posted on Truth Social with an even more aggressive retaliatory measure onto Canadian, I think it was steel and iron, was it?
00:03:24.940And so, immediately, it wasn't even that phone call yet by the time that Ford already had backpedaled on his tariff threat on U.S. electricity heading into the United States.
00:03:36.900And so, we have Trump really doubling down here.
00:03:40.920And Ford, unfortunately, looking pretty weak, I would say.
00:03:46.380It took less than a day to get him to flip-flop, as he's been so notoriously coined now, flip-flop Ford.
00:03:53.700And so, there we were just showing the post where, I think that was the post where Trump threatened more aggressive measures onto Ontario and Canada tariffs.
00:04:05.200And then, of course, Ford immediately backpedaled and flip-flopped.
00:04:08.760And we'll get into some of the more kind of, like, detailed rigmarole that's happened in the last few days.
00:04:15.940And, I mean, we've discussed this on the other live streams.
00:04:19.760But Trump is really coming out and he's saying here, we have this post here from Truth Social,
00:04:26.100where he says that Canada needs America.
00:06:31.900Because Justin Trudeau slapped a tariff on Chinese-made electric vehicles because he was trying to protect the foreign-owned electric vehicle plants that he had heavily subsidized in Ontario and Quebec.
00:06:47.660And Team Canada is not talking about that.
00:06:49.200They're only talking about the steel workers right now.
00:06:51.300And I've done some digging on that, too, which we'll talk about in a little bit.
00:06:56.920But as Tamara said, Trump said he would do this.
00:07:01.720And the Canadian government is just only reacting in a frenzy.
00:08:11.560But we, I'm learning, and I think a lot of Canadians, maybe even Americans as well, are learning as this process unfolds and as it continues and the ping pong happens back and forth, is that the U.S. has actually faced very aggressive tariffs from Canada for a long time.
00:08:31.620And Trump is really trying to highlight that.
00:08:33.640And we have a clip here to share where Trump says basically that the U.S. has been ripped off for years with tariffs on various goods.
00:15:12.280It's like negotiating with all these little tiny countries.
00:15:15.840And if we are going to be forced to negotiate that way, then why are we a confederation at all?
00:15:21.000Well, and as we have Mark Carney being implemented into the prime minister position, never elected, not even he's never been elected by anybody or voted by any and by any Canadian to hold a seat in the House or be a parliamentarian.
00:15:38.420And here he is being inaugurated as of tomorrow to the highest position, political position in Canada.
00:15:46.720So hopefully there's an election called immediately as soon as parliament resumes at the end of this month, because I think this is a complete affront to democracy and clearly shows that the Liberal Party of Canada just has no respect for the Canadian voters.
00:16:01.100I mean, as we've seen the last few years, as they have maintained this coalition with the two fringe minority parties, the NDP and the Liberals, and now they've selected the next leader of the country who has never been elected by any actual Canadian resident.
00:16:18.960Yeah, it's a, you know, it's a quirk of our parliamentary system that allows the party leader of the party that has the most seats in the House of Commons, regardless of whether or not the party leader holds a seat,
00:16:29.960to be the prime minister, and we had this like for a very short time in Alberta, we had an unelected premier named Jim Prentice.
00:16:40.140But very quickly after he became the leader of the party, he called an election.
00:16:44.880Also, we weren't currently in an existential crisis.
00:16:48.300So that makes the things a little bit different.
00:16:50.660You know, parliament is so prorogued that it's dysfunctional.
00:16:54.400And the Americans are threatening to annex us economically.
00:16:58.940And we don't even have an elected prime minister right now.
00:19:11.220So then they just pass it along to the consumer along the way.
00:19:13.940And then don't worry, the liberals will sell it back to you as though you get it all back every three to six months in a rebate, which we find out later.
00:19:24.480And I mean, for anybody who has some ounce of critical thought knows that that isn't actually representative of the truth.
00:19:31.580Meanwhile, so I guess Lutnick then, the Commerce Secretary, reached out to Ford to try to de-escalate this tension.
00:19:42.300Ford referred to it as being given an olive branch.
00:20:02.080Before we get into that, if all it takes is for Trump to post on Truth Social that he's going to up the tariffs and issue immediate aggressive retaliatory measures, if that's all it takes to get Ford to flip-flop, then how absolutely weak is your leadership?
00:20:19.560I think that just highlights how weak Ford is and the fact that there's no plan.
00:20:25.300Is this Lutnick talking about what he did to Trump?
00:22:11.920I think it is a real disaster that the largest trading partnership to ever exist on the face of the earth between two friends, that it has fallen apart this way.
00:22:29.280I think it is just an absolute scandal and it falls squarely around Justin Trudeau's neck.
00:22:37.700I hope the Conservatives will be able to fix this.
00:22:41.020I hope they temper their rhetoric so that they don't go in there poisoned in negotiations.
00:22:48.160But, and as, like I said, as a Canadian, I don't, I don't like what Trump is doing to our economy.
00:22:54.220Wouldn't it be great if we had leadership who cared about us the same way Trump seems to care about his people, that he'll do anything to help them?
00:23:01.760And I love how Trump talks about us Canadians.
00:23:07.860Trudeau calls us genocidal crazy people and fringe radicals and people with unacceptable viewpoints and opinions if we don't agree with him.
00:23:16.900I feel a lot of love from Trump towards us.
00:23:19.360I would really like it if our government had talked about us that way once.
00:23:28.720And so, anyway, Premier Ford said that this, he calls this an olive branch and, you know, take that for what you will after hearing Lutnik speak yesterday.
00:23:38.000But, I don't know, ahead of this clip here, Ford just sounds so deflated and defeated to me.
00:24:23.900He said, fly down tonight, fly down tomorrow or the next day.
00:24:26.240We're bringing Minister LeBlanc with us and the ambassador to have that conversation, to sit down and see what their requirements are, what their needs are.
00:24:37.260I always say, when you have your largest customer, you listen to your largest customer in business.
00:24:41.880And we'll sit there and listen and make sure that we bring that information back and sit around the table.
00:24:50.080It's the federal government that's leading this, not myself.
00:24:52.880They're going to lead the negotiations.
00:24:56.080We'll have a very loud voice in that conversation, along with all the other premiers.
00:25:02.660So, you're managing expectations at this point.
00:25:05.640At what point do you potentially bring it back to more surcharges and the other tools in your toolbox, as you say?
00:25:13.800Well, we're seeing what's going to happen.
00:25:15.980I know Dominic LeBlanc is out right now talking about the $29, $30 billion of retaliatory tariffs.
00:25:24.440Our message down there tomorrow is, let's stop this.
00:25:55.140But it's like, why wouldn't you call him, you know?
00:25:59.640Why are you taking to these presser events and rhetoric online and escalating tensions and he posted this, so I'm going to post that.
00:26:08.760This is so high school drama when you have real economies and lives at stake with how you are negotiating on this front.
00:26:17.980And you're not just calling them up and saying, hey, can we have a conversation?
00:26:21.920You're waiting for the other guy to reach out to you.
00:26:23.980Like, this is such petty, dramatic nonsense that where are the adults in the room to say, you know what, let's go, let's face this, let's go head on and let's go toe to toe about how we're going to find some reasonable, tangible solutions on how we address this tariff war.
00:26:40.020Because it's obviously not benefiting either of us, just hitting people back on social media and speaking to the media who then, you know, inflate and conflate the issue and make it even worse.
00:26:50.700So the fact that Ford didn't take that first step to reach out to Lutnik or Trump and say, hey, what's going on here?
00:26:57.440Can we have a meeting and try to negotiate a fair deal?
00:27:00.400Instead, he's just sitting back and spewing rhetoric and threats out of his yin yang and then waits for them to reach out to him.
00:27:07.180That, in addition to everything else we've already discussed, is textbook weak leadership and irresponsible leadership.
00:27:14.960Yeah, he just admitted to an act now, think later strategy, which I don't think is the best strategy when dealing with the world's largest economy.
00:27:23.660He seems like a man who has been absolutely tone checked, okay?
00:27:29.100Like he is a man who just got in a world of trouble and I think they threatened him with something much worse than, okay, than whatever we know about.
00:27:42.860I think Howard Lutnik basically told him, drop these tariffs or we will drop the hammer on you.
00:27:49.520So, um, he says that the feds are leaving.
00:27:55.340Well, for the last little bit, Doug Ford has been trying to lead and look what just happened to him.
00:28:48.120And there's an elect, as you know, I suspect that there will be an election called as soon as Parliament is back in to functional business.
00:28:55.640And, um, I guess they're there representing the Canadian people.
00:30:19.680But yeah, this is a headline from Trudeau's Canada.
00:30:22.600One day after a mass shooting took place inside a pub in Scarborough, Toronto police arrested and charged two men who were allegedly plotting a murder in Pickering.
00:30:31.380Uh, between this and the meth labs, drug labs, fentanyl labs blowing up in suburbia, this is what it's like to live in a major city in Trudeau's Canada.
00:30:41.260If you take out certain cities in the United States, our crime rate is actually higher per capita than the United States.
00:30:49.800But the, uh, liberal gun grabbers, they won't tell you that stuff.
00:31:48.500Why should you join Canada's National Firearms Association?
00:31:58.160We currently have one of the most aggressively anti-firearm governments in our nation's history, promoting fear and placing blame like never before.
00:32:07.620Our rights, freedoms, culture, and heritage.
00:33:38.880I'm proud to have served a country full of people who stand up for what's right, rise to every occasion, and always have each other's backs when it matters most.
00:33:49.160This may be my last day here in this office, but I will always be boldly and unapologetically Canadian.
00:33:59.160My only ask is that no matter what the world throws at us, you always be the same.
00:34:19.180When he talks, yeah, like, I don't like listening with an earpiece to him talk because it feels like the inside of my ear is being licked by a hobo.
00:34:40.980I remember when there was that compilation of Trudeau during the mask mandates when he was telling people not to speak moistly, and that is quite literally how he speaks.
00:34:57.340This is just more, and I posted this to X, just such paternalistic weirdness.
00:35:04.400On his way out the door, just has to reiterate from, as though he's some sort of, like, fatherly figure, I am just so proud of you.
00:35:14.300As he's literally destroyed the basis of Canada, left us in economic turmoil, has morale at an all-time low across various sectors, including just the everyday general Canadian,
00:35:29.260and has taxed us more than any other previous administration, where our taxes now comprise of more than our basic living necessities, like food, shelter, and clothing combined.
00:35:46.840And so Trudeau is leaving Canadians with a message that he's so proud of them.
00:35:51.720Yeah, because we've persevered through your horrible governance.
00:35:55.660Yeah, I guess we can really get through anything.
00:36:30.640And perhaps that he's, through some strange inversion of introspection, he's seeing that he wasn't able to break us.
00:36:37.760And so now Trudeau is so proud and having each other's backs.
00:36:42.100And I'm like, didn't you freeze Canadians' bank accounts when they opposed you politically and took to the nation's capital to protest how your government was acting?
00:36:51.460Like, how was that having anybody's back?
00:36:53.960Ask a Westerner how Trudeau has had our back these last 10 years, blocking our industry, getting tariffs stuck on our agricultural sector.
00:37:04.480And I'm not just talking about the most recent canola ones.
00:37:07.340When he pranced his way through India, we came home with a pulse tariff.
00:37:10.860Like, it just is nonstop with Trudeau.
00:37:50.160The Trump White House has asked the U.S. military to develop options for the Panama Canal.
00:37:56.600Potential plans range from partnering more closely with Panamanian security forces to a less likely option of U.S. troops seizing the canal by force.
00:38:05.560Again, I don't think anybody has to do anything by force because the United States is such an economic behemoth that they can bring you to your knees in many, many other ways.
00:38:16.620As well as Doug Ford just learned with one phone call the other day in a tweet.
00:38:20.820So, yeah, it says the U.S. Southern Command is developing potential plans that vary from, okay, I read that part.
00:38:28.620Whether military force is used, the officials added, this is quite the statement.
00:38:33.880Whether military force is used, the officials added, depends on how much Panamanian security forces agree to partner with the United States.
00:38:43.060And it's all to diminish China's presence there.
00:38:47.680Well, and the Panama Canal is also a massive source of illegal human trafficking.
00:38:53.060And so I think regaining control and doing away with some of these, the radical rebel groups that have control of those, that space is going to obviously ripple into increasing the border security of the United States.
00:39:15.580And that is the other thing that Trump has campaigned on, is America first, tightening up the border, getting rid of the illegal aliens and illegal immigration that is resulting in crime, violence, and drugs on the street.
00:39:35.060And the Panama Canal is a major source of that.
00:39:39.660Well, and there's another added layer in all of this.
00:39:41.800Guess who paid for the construction of the Panama Canal?
00:39:46.580So they've got a financial investment in it, you know, like it's over 100 and some years old.
00:39:52.220But you know who should be paying close attention to this and checking himself before he wrecks himself?
00:39:56.700David Eby in British Columbia, because he is proposing tariffs, not just proposing, bringing forward legislation to enact tariffs, tolls, I guess, essentially,
00:40:10.320on American goods that are traveling through British Columbia to Alaska.
00:40:15.340Now, guess what the trade route is for that?
00:40:25.860So David Eby should be watching this with great trepidation because he's trying to pull this.
00:40:31.980He's going one step further than Panama is.
00:40:35.200Panama is just saying, like, look, we're not going to crack down on China doing whatever China does here.
00:40:40.300David Eby is going one step further and tariffing American goods on a highway they built.
00:40:45.900Oh, and, you know, I'm jumping ahead a little bit here, but is this, this is the same premier that wasted $118,000 on a party for bureaucrats.
00:40:59.440Premier David Eby wasted this, had an outlandish party.
00:41:05.320I mean, I don't know, I had a wedding for under, for a fraction of that cost.
00:41:11.560But he decided to spend at least $117,841 hosting the premier's Innovation and Excellence Award in Victoria on November 26th, 2024.
00:41:25.980And this is according to documents obtained by the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.
00:41:30.360The event invoice includes charges for French 75 cocktails costing $21 each, a three-course dinner, $99 per person, bottles of flavored sparkling water costing $7.50.
00:41:46.940Do you know what, my good sir, let me introduce you to the Ninja Thirsty.
00:41:53.860I wouldn't suggest the SodaStream because I realized that David Eby is in the NDP and SodaStream products are made with Palestinians and Israelis working side by side in peace and harmony.
00:42:19.360But it's funny, I think this is the Canadian Taxpayer Federation, Binda, said that the province could have saved, thank you, the province could have saved $14,000 by hosting the reception five minutes away at the legislature or down the road at government house.
00:42:39.700And this came just three weeks after British Columbia Premier David Eby announced or published, rather, his fall economic statement that showed projected deficits up by $1.5 billion.
00:43:34.860You know what gets me with those photos of the plastic tape, like all the booze taped off and it's all being wrapped in saran wrap.
00:43:42.060And then it's very reminiscent of the COVID era when all non-essential goods were quarantined off and saran wrapped, like birthday cards and kids' shoes.
00:43:55.360I remember I couldn't buy shoes or clothes for my kids because it was deemed non-essential.
00:44:00.060And I'm like, do you realize that they grow an inch every month?
00:44:02.720But I'm like, why can't we get plastic straws?
00:44:07.620We can cordon everything off in the store and in grocery stores with saran wrap, which is not recyclable, by the way.
00:44:16.040But we can't get some recyclable plastic straws up in here.
00:44:43.180The foreign ministers of the G7 are meeting right now in Quebec and down the road, the G7 leaders will meet in Alberta in June.
00:44:57.960Beautiful Kananaskis, which will, of course, inspire Trump to want to take us over more because what a gem that part of Alberta is.
00:45:06.560So Rubio is standing right beside Melanie Jolie in this.
00:45:14.220And I know Rubio tweeted yesterday that he was on his way and basically there's a new sheriff in town.
00:45:23.220I also imagine that a lot of things are going to change between the foreign ministers meeting now and a couple of months down the road in Kananaskis in Alberta.
00:45:35.760I think because that'll be Trump coming to Alberta and quite likely, more than likely, from my lips to God's ears, Pierre Polyev will be the prime minister of the country.
00:45:47.420But our chat here, I want to get to this because it's relevant because it discusses the G7.
00:45:54.060Granite man gives us two bucks and says, Rubio going to hammer all these idiots and Jolie.
00:45:57.960I think Rubio is the right guy to be there doing this.
00:46:03.740I think he's going to have all the pressure from the other six to say, like, what are you guys doing with the tariffs?
00:46:12.500We'll be lucky if we get away by the end of tomorrow without more tariffs because Jolie is not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree, if you know what I mean.
00:46:23.540And yet we have leaks from the media that Carney's new cabinet, who was never elected or voted in to do this work by any normal Canadian, but rather by the few of the Liberal Party of Canada.
00:46:38.800His new cabinet will keep her in this position.
00:46:42.940And so I suppose we'll see how this unfolds.
00:46:47.360But you'd think it's a great opportunity if Mark Carney wanted to show some strong leadership to place someone a little bit stronger in such a position in order to negotiate.
00:47:04.900So you're going to continue to lean on them to continue on with those negotiations when how did we end up here exactly?
00:47:13.640He'll shuffle, I guess, Stephen Gilbeau from the environment file.
00:47:18.040And apparently, Immigration Minister Mark Miller will be out of cabinet entirely.
00:47:24.240That's what the Star is reporting anyway.
00:47:26.800He's going to, I guess he's indicated or his team has indicated that they will have a much smaller cabinet than Prime Minister Trudeau's current 36-member team, with seven of them indicating they're not running again.
00:47:47.080Well, they have gender parity, because I'm reliably informed by the Liberals themselves.
00:47:52.400This is a really important thing that you have to have, regardless of who is elected or the talent pool, you're supposed to have equal parts men and women serving on the cabinet.
00:48:02.540So I look forward to see if Mark Carney continues that unhinged and irresponsible tradition of putting people in positions they neither deserve nor are capable of fulfilling.
00:49:03.900I think that is just like a little bit of sleight of hand.
00:49:06.100Well, and meanwhile, the parliamentary budget officer came out with a, as Danielle Smith puts it, a scathing analysis showing that the oil and gas cap will, as we have already been saying and sounding the alarm on, hurt Canadians.
00:49:23.800It will cut oil and gas production by 5%, which she says will result in over 245,000 barrels a day.
00:49:33.640It will eliminate 45,400 jobs from Canada's economy.
00:49:39.460And cut 24,000 jobs from Canada's economy and cut 20 billion from our GDP by 2032.
00:49:52.680All while global emissions increase at the same time, and the largest offenders, like China, run away all the way to the bank.
00:50:06.420But Daniel Smith has always rightly called it a cap on production, because once you get to a certain emissions target, you can't produce over that.
00:50:13.620Well, that only stops Alberta from producing.
00:50:15.880But it sure as heck doesn't stop North Dakota from producing, and they share a common oil field with Saskatchewan.
00:50:23.540So Saskatchewan can't produce, but right across the border in North Dakota, they can fill the gap.
00:50:31.280And Venezuela can fill the gap, especially with regard to heavy oil, which the American refineries need, because they are fitted to deal with Alberta's heavy oil.
00:50:41.700So, and this is what we've been saying all along.
00:50:46.420You can't say you can only produce up to a certain amount, but also say, no, no, it won't affect jobs.
00:50:53.820You know, like if you only give people so much work to do, and that's the amount of work that they can do, they don't continue to get paid.
00:51:04.800It's like, it's like people who have never seen a car making the rules of the road when you're dealing with government bureaucrats trying to understand what it's like to work in the private sector.
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00:52:40.380And I think we are running up against the clock, but maybe we can get to a few of these extra little tidbits that we had pulled aside here.
00:52:49.200We got to the EB1, which is really fun.
00:52:58.460Yeah, and I peeked into it a little bit further, too, because I thought, anyway, this comes from Jonathan Kay, who posted to X that the student union at Okanagan's UBC campus denied an application for a student conservative party club.
00:53:17.500And amazingly, the students union VP internal flat out admitted that the decision was made on the basis of partisan political considerations.
00:54:15.320And, of course, then Jonathan Kaye posts here that they have a Young Liberals of Canada group.
00:54:21.880And let me just pull up the web page that I found because I thought it was really interesting that they have a whole pride resource center on at the Okanagan campus.
00:54:36.620And so in the pride resource center, which was established in 2003.
00:54:42.100So this is like a, you know, a longstanding thing.
00:54:48.820Anyway, in there, and I don't have the link handy, but they have a pride resource center, a sex positivity center, and a lesbians for livable futures community.
00:55:04.220And so I posed the question, I said, because the UBC actually has an equity and inclusion office.
00:55:11.160And so I wonder what their response would be to this very exclusionary stance taken by the Okanagan campus.
00:55:18.080But maybe I think they might just be nervous that a conservative member, a conservative party club may actually outnumber their pride resource center, their sex positivity center, and their lesbians for livable futures community combined.
00:55:38.660Combined, I think that a conservative party club would outnumber those.
00:55:42.720And, I mean, hey, if that's the case, then why not?
00:56:03.520And, you know, it's interesting that it's happening on this particular campus because the Okanagan is one of the most conservative places in all of British Columbia.
00:56:20.380The other one is Tara Armstrong, who's so conservative she left the conservative party of British Columbia because they weren't conservative enough this past week.
00:56:27.800But here's the real problem, and it goes directly to your point, Tamara.
00:56:33.640Canadian youths, which is like voting age youth, now support the conservatives more than any other party, a development not seen in decades.
00:56:45.280According to an abacus poll, 36% of Canadians between 18 to 29 years would support the conservatives versus 27% for the NDP, which holds the power in British Columbia, and a paltry 19% for the liberals.
00:56:57.800Nor is support for Polioff's conservatives just a backlash from the failing futures of youths under the Trudeau regime.
00:57:07.200An Environyx poll found that young people in Canada would vote for Trump more than any other group.
00:57:11.32028% of Canadians between 18 to 34 preferred Trump versus 13% for those 55 and over, and 27% between 35 and 54.
00:57:21.240And then it goes through the reasons why young people are conservative.
00:58:50.700This is, yeah, this, and these are young, like, these are young teens heading off, you know, for the first time away from their parents, first time away from their house, exercising some independence.
00:59:02.020And they really need to be part of a sex positivity center club.
00:59:05.640And yet, they can't have a conservative party member club.
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