Rebel News Podcast - Rebel Roundup： David Menzies with Sheila Gunn Reid and Keean Bexte

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00:00:53.360 You're listening to a Rebel News Podcast.

00:00:56.180 Welcome to Rebel Roundup, ladies and gentlemen, and the rest of you,

00:01:07.860 in which we look back at some of the very best commentaries of the week by your favorite Rebels.

00:01:12.620 I'm your host, David Menzies.

00:01:14.940 Well, we fought the law, and guess what?

00:01:18.320 We won.

00:01:19.080 Sheila Gunn-Reed will weigh in on her downright surreal battle with Alberta's elections commissioner, 0.93

00:01:27.220 who apparently had a problem with R. Sheila advertising her best-selling book, 0.71

00:01:31.560 even though she had every right to do so.

00:01:34.920 You won't want to miss this story, which highlights the latest attack on free speech by a vindictive bureaucrat.

00:01:41.760 And is it hate speech if a child protests the wearing of rainbow-colored poppies to commemorate Remembrance Day?

00:01:50.960 Well, apparently, one school official in Manitoba thinks so.

00:01:54.460 Just will you hear what Kian Bextie found out?

00:01:58.200 And finally, letters. We get your letters. We get your letters every minute of every day,

00:02:02.480 and I'll share some of your responses regarding Gary McHale's attempt to criminally charge Justin Trudeau

00:02:09.120 via a private prosecution regarding the lav scam scandal.

00:02:14.200 Hey, if the Mounties can't be bothered to do so,

00:02:17.400 thankfully there are some concerned citizens in our great dominion

00:02:21.340 who do indeed care about the rule of law.

00:02:25.980 Those are your rebels. Now let's round them up.

00:02:33.380 Friends, I've got some fantastic news to share with you today about my battle with Alberta's elections commissioner.

00:02:40.300 It's been a fight for free speech.

00:02:42.320 But our good news also comes with a pretty ominous insinuation,

00:02:46.760 something I feel is a bit of a threat from the elections commissioner, Lorne Gibson,

00:02:52.780 and we've also got a very heavy financial burden.

00:02:56.220 But first, let's get to the good news.

00:02:59.020 We won. Or at least, we won this battle this time.

00:03:03.360 For those of you who haven't been following my very near prosecution

00:03:07.400 for writing a political book about Rachel Notley's NDP,

00:03:11.560 I'll give you a brief synopsis to bring you up to speed,

00:03:15.100 because there's a lot going on.

00:03:17.020 Now last spring, I wrote a book critical of Alberta's then-socialist NDP government

00:03:22.240 called Stop Notley.

00:03:23.960 It was information I felt the Alberta public needed to know

00:03:26.960 at a time when it was most relevant to them,

00:03:29.840 before the election, before they voted.

00:03:32.340 I used really clever lawn signs as a guerrilla marketing campaign

00:03:36.320 as well as a roadside billboard to promote my book

00:03:39.620 because unlike mainstream media journalists,

00:03:42.540 I'm never going to get any glowing reviews in the Globe and Mail

00:03:46.380 or in McLean's magazine.

00:03:48.700 And my campaign worked.

00:03:50.140 My book became the most popular book on Alberta politics in 2019.

00:03:55.240 It was a success by any measure,

00:03:57.060 and it made all the right people mad,

00:03:59.220 and that made me happy.

00:04:01.100 Now let's talk about the elections commissioner.

00:04:03.840 The year previous,

00:04:05.500 Notley created a new officer in charge of political crimes

00:04:09.080 and monitoring political speech called the elections commissioner.

00:04:13.000 His name is Lorne Gibson.

00:04:15.700 He's a leftist activist who sued conservatives in his personal capacity

00:04:20.600 before he was laughed out of court.

00:04:22.680 He was the perfect fit for this weaponized bureaucracy

00:04:25.800 tasked with censoring Notley's political enemies.

00:04:29.360 So, a premier creates a commissioner

00:04:32.660 whose ostensible role is to go after ideas

00:04:36.400 that the premier and her ilk

00:04:38.920 deemed to be offensive or rude

00:04:42.020 or simply contrary to their ideology.

00:04:46.140 First, it was our billboards

00:04:48.280 that were targeted by the Notley Thought Police.

00:04:52.360 Then it was our lawn signs

00:04:54.140 advertising Sheila Gunn-Reed's best-selling book.

00:04:57.020 It makes you wonder,

00:04:59.100 did this actually occur in the province of Alberta

00:05:02.360 or the Democratic People's Republic of Korea?

00:05:06.720 And joining me now with more on a story

00:05:08.940 that has a happy ending,

00:05:10.860 albeit a bittersweet one,

00:05:13.280 is the host of The Gunn Show,

00:05:15.360 Sheila Gunn-Reed.

00:05:16.220 Welcome to Rebel Roundup, my friend.

00:05:18.540 Hey, David.

00:05:19.060 Thanks for having me on the show.

00:05:20.220 Always, always a pleasure.

00:05:21.420 So, Sheila, before I get into the amount of legal fees 0.93

00:05:25.300 this cost us to fight,

00:05:27.960 why was the Notley government

00:05:30.060 acting in such a draconian fashion

00:05:32.660 over some billboards and book signage

00:05:36.840 in the first place?

00:05:37.760 Don't they believe in freedom of expression?

00:05:41.160 Is this a trick question?

00:05:42.720 I mean, you know, Notley,

00:05:46.640 last year, sort of in the lead up

00:05:49.160 to the coming election,

00:05:50.180 she was trying to rig the process in her favour. 0.99

00:05:53.420 She created this bureaucracy called the Elections Commissioner, 0.99

00:05:57.160 and basically what the Elections Commissioner does

00:05:59.440 is monitor the political speech of non-politicians,

00:06:04.320 so what they call third-party advertisers.

00:06:06.580 But we're not a third-party advertiser,

00:06:09.040 and I think the rules regarding third-party advertisers

00:06:11.800 are too tough anyways,

00:06:13.380 because money in today's day and age

00:06:16.120 really is your free speech.

00:06:17.400 It allows you to get your message out there.

00:06:20.000 So this bureaucracy monitors

00:06:22.680 what is political spending and political speech.

00:06:28.280 That's what they do.

00:06:29.720 And it's...

00:06:30.520 Oh, sorry, Sheila.

00:06:31.820 And it seems that what they were, you know,

00:06:36.120 basing this witch hunt on

00:06:38.720 was that a sign advertising a book

00:06:43.920 might be, could be construed as an election sign,

00:06:47.720 even though it clearly said, by the book,

00:06:49.960 it wasn't endorsing any candidate

00:06:51.600 or any political party.

00:06:53.640 And for that reason alone,

00:06:56.420 they built a case against Rebel News,

00:06:59.740 and you in particular,

00:07:01.180 because I remember that ex-cop

00:07:03.600 personally phoning you,

00:07:06.400 even though we had lawyered up by that point.

00:07:10.220 Yeah.

00:07:10.700 I mean, and I had already informed him,

00:07:14.000 this is my lawyer,

00:07:14.960 this is who it is,

00:07:16.640 but he kept insisting on talking to me.

00:07:20.800 There's a special exemption in the law

00:07:24.440 that is for books

00:07:26.540 and the promotion of books,

00:07:28.660 and that's exactly what my signs were.

00:07:31.580 It said, buy the book,

00:07:33.260 right across the bottom.

00:07:34.980 I'm sorry if people aren't bright enough

00:07:37.000 to read past Stop Notley

00:07:38.680 and see buy the book,

00:07:40.420 but a week after Notley lost the election

00:07:44.620 in a catastrophic way,

00:07:45.980 we get a letter to the office in Toronto

00:07:50.380 saying that I'm being investigated

00:07:52.120 for breaking elections finance laws,

00:07:55.240 despite this very specific exemption for books.

00:07:59.300 It was really quite petty, really,

00:08:04.840 because what came out of it

00:08:06.740 was over six months of legal fees,

00:08:11.200 back and forths, and threats.

00:08:13.520 If they were investigating the lawn signs,

00:08:16.700 why was this ex-cop making demands

00:08:19.780 to see my planning emails for the book,

00:08:23.580 any sort of planning documents for the book,

00:08:25.880 editorial emails for the book.

00:08:29.120 He wasn't asking about the signs,

00:08:31.020 and these were all things

00:08:32.040 that he shouldn't even have been asking me anyways.

00:08:36.160 These were questions for my publisher,

00:08:38.580 which is Rebel News.

00:08:40.280 He wasn't asking the publisher.

00:08:42.140 He was coming after the author,

00:08:44.120 which, as you rightly point out,

00:08:45.420 is exactly the sort of thing

00:08:46.660 they do in North Korea or China

00:08:48.900 or Venezuela, you know,

00:08:52.080 and we know the NDP have a special place

00:08:54.540 in their heart for Venezuela.

00:08:56.260 And, of course, you had the good fortune

00:08:59.620 to record these phone calls.

00:09:03.720 I mean, that investigator, this ex-cop,

00:09:05.940 and, by the way,

00:09:06.740 if anyone wants to know why he's an ex-cop,

00:09:08.580 you can Google his name,

00:09:10.400 and that'll tell you a somewhat sordid story

00:09:14.880 about this individual.

00:09:15.880 But you recorded these calls,

00:09:18.360 and to me, Sheila,

00:09:19.260 he came across almost as a passive-aggressive bully

00:09:23.720 in his dealings with you.

00:09:26.360 But the thing is,

00:09:27.600 I think the absolute most egregious thing

00:09:30.160 is that by the letter of the law,

00:09:33.140 we were right,

00:09:34.640 they were wrong,

00:09:35.920 but when the elections commissioner

00:09:37.580 filed his final report about this,

00:09:42.180 I'm paraphrasing now,

00:09:43.540 but it was along the lines of,

00:09:45.800 okay, we're going to let you off,

00:09:47.640 but don't you dare do this again.

00:09:50.680 And it was kind of like,

00:09:52.020 we went to court for crossing the street

00:09:54.300 on a green light,

00:09:55.280 which is legal,

00:09:56.280 and the judge saying,

00:09:57.300 okay, we'll let it slide this time,

00:09:58.820 but don't do that in the future.

00:10:00.380 Hey, it's legal.

00:10:01.700 What do you mean don't do it in the future?

00:10:04.180 I want to get your take on that, Sheila.

00:10:05.820 And secondly, do you think,

00:10:07.740 because I don't trust these people,

00:10:09.440 do you think they're going to tinker

00:10:10.780 with the legislation

00:10:12.400 so that they do have a proviso

00:10:14.820 to make what you did

00:10:16.320 indeed illegal in the future?

00:10:18.840 Well, you know,

00:10:19.820 it's funny that you use the analogy

00:10:21.260 about crossing the street

00:10:22.280 because my husband used the analogy of,

00:10:24.800 you know,

00:10:25.040 you've been clocked going 80 on the highway

00:10:27.280 and the speed limit is 100

00:10:29.200 and they still pull you over for speeding

00:10:31.460 and then make you go to court

00:10:33.180 and fight the ticket. 0.87

00:10:34.040 And that's exactly what happened.

00:10:36.040 You know,

00:10:36.640 you paraphrased

00:10:37.500 what the elections commissioner

00:10:39.960 said to our lawyers,

00:10:42.220 but I just pulled it up on my computer

00:10:43.660 what exactly it is.

00:10:45.100 He said,

00:10:45.840 I encourage Sheila Gunn-Reed

00:10:48.020 to exercise caution

00:10:49.920 in the manner

00:10:50.800 in which she advertises her books

00:10:52.780 during an election period.

00:10:56.220 Unfortunately,

00:10:57.100 fortunately,

00:10:57.880 I mean,

00:10:58.280 it's so crazy

00:10:58.900 because we're in complete

00:11:00.500 and total compliance with the law.

00:11:02.000 So what do I have to be cautious about?

00:11:05.440 This is the creepy part,

00:11:07.180 though.

00:11:07.340 It says,

00:11:07.900 fortunately for Sheila Gunn-Reed, 1.00

00:11:10.100 my office is only able

00:11:11.700 to enforce the legislation

00:11:13.500 as it is currently written.

00:11:16.180 What do you mean fortunately for me?

00:11:18.180 That's how,

00:11:18.760 that's how

00:11:19.780 civilized society works.

00:11:22.440 That the people bound

00:11:23.580 with enforcing the law

00:11:24.880 must enforce the law

00:11:26.520 as it is written

00:11:27.220 and they just can't make it up

00:11:28.600 as they go along.

00:11:29.800 That's a pretty ominous warning

00:11:31.160 and we know

00:11:32.140 our lawyers actually

00:11:33.980 let us know

00:11:34.860 that Lorne Gibson has,

00:11:36.520 that's the elections commissioner,

00:11:38.000 he's made

00:11:38.800 very specific recommendations

00:11:40.960 to Jason Kenney's government

00:11:42.680 to change

00:11:44.700 certain things in the law

00:11:46.040 that look like

00:11:47.800 they're directed

00:11:48.540 at dealing with the rebel.

00:11:51.160 So,

00:11:51.640 I mean,

00:11:52.200 he would love

00:11:52.780 another kick at the can here 0.89

00:11:54.160 and he would love

00:11:55.600 to see the law

00:11:56.400 change specifically

00:11:57.900 so that he can carry out

00:11:59.080 this weirdo vendetta

00:12:00.460 against us

00:12:01.380 but it doesn't sound

00:12:03.060 like he's going to get

00:12:04.120 those changes

00:12:04.740 on his wish list

00:12:06.320 that he wants.

00:12:07.260 Well,

00:12:07.380 thank goodness for that,

00:12:08.200 you know,

00:12:08.440 Sheila,

00:12:08.760 and what he said

00:12:09.580 in that written decision,

00:12:10.500 it's almost like

00:12:11.260 a baseball player

00:12:13.040 going down swinging

00:12:14.020 in the ninth inning

00:12:14.860 and that loses the game

00:12:16.500 and then him saying,

00:12:18.100 but you know what,

00:12:18.660 if baseball were

00:12:19.360 ten innings long,

00:12:20.520 we might have been able

00:12:21.620 to come back.

00:12:23.140 You know,

00:12:23.380 could have,

00:12:23.820 might have,

00:12:24.160 should have.

00:12:25.520 You know,

00:12:26.060 it is baffling

00:12:27.940 but Sheila, 0.95

00:12:28.800 I said it's a bittersweet

00:12:30.580 ending to this

00:12:31.640 because yes,

00:12:33.120 you won

00:12:33.680 and we won

00:12:35.380 this battle clearly

00:12:36.620 but in terms

00:12:38.460 of the war

00:12:39.180 and I refer to this

00:12:41.120 in the big picture,

00:12:42.760 we spent tens

00:12:44.460 of thousands

00:12:45.180 of dollars

00:12:45.860 in legal fees

00:12:47.060 just to prove

00:12:48.120 that we were

00:12:48.840 in the right,

00:12:49.460 we were following

00:12:50.040 the letter of the law

00:12:51.000 and I mean,

00:12:52.820 to me,

00:12:53.500 there's a little bit

00:12:54.140 of injustice here

00:12:55.220 because of course

00:12:55.900 the other side

00:12:56.660 is just taking

00:12:58.960 their legal fees

00:13:00.400 from that bottomless

00:13:01.520 trough called

00:13:02.340 the taxpayer.

00:13:06.720 Going ahead,

00:13:08.060 is there any way

00:13:09.320 that we might

00:13:10.800 recover these legal,

00:13:12.480 is there any mechanism

00:13:13.460 to get true justice

00:13:14.940 this way?

00:13:16.400 Not really.

00:13:17.180 I mean,

00:13:17.500 that's the real problem

00:13:19.400 with the elections

00:13:20.500 commissioner,

00:13:21.200 I mean,

00:13:21.560 besides the free speech

00:13:23.040 issues.

00:13:23.640 this bureaucracy

00:13:25.720 is set up

00:13:27.800 so that

00:13:28.700 these fines

00:13:30.220 and these findings

00:13:31.360 of guilt

00:13:32.060 can be made

00:13:33.660 without ever having

00:13:35.140 to go before a judge.

00:13:36.980 So,

00:13:37.400 because of that,

00:13:38.320 we didn't get a fine

00:13:39.720 because we lawyered up

00:13:40.640 and we fought it

00:13:41.440 but we are still left

00:13:42.520 with $75,000

00:13:44.260 in legal fees

00:13:46.240 just to keep

00:13:47.140 the government

00:13:48.600 from interrogating

00:13:50.660 me,

00:13:51.120 a journalist,

00:13:51.640 about a book

00:13:52.560 I wrote

00:13:52.960 that was critical

00:13:53.660 of the government

00:13:54.280 of the day.

00:13:55.100 I mean,

00:13:55.320 that should be

00:13:55.800 an outrage 0.61

00:13:56.560 to any free-thinking,

00:13:58.840 freedom-minded individual

00:14:00.240 in the Western world.

00:14:01.860 It really should

00:14:02.620 but it's not

00:14:03.620 because a lot

00:14:05.060 of people,

00:14:06.000 their idea

00:14:08.060 of freedom

00:14:08.640 is contingent

00:14:09.580 on who it's

00:14:10.160 being applied to.

00:14:11.580 But this

00:14:12.520 elections commissioner,

00:14:14.520 they are really

00:14:15.560 the cops,

00:14:17.100 the prosecutor,

00:14:18.300 the judge,

00:14:18.820 the jury,

00:14:19.260 and the executioner.

00:14:20.320 I'll use an example

00:14:21.660 of somebody else

00:14:22.600 who's been

00:14:23.020 investigated here.

00:14:25.000 Jeff Calloway,

00:14:26.280 he was a leadership

00:14:28.100 contender

00:14:28.840 for the UCP.

00:14:32.260 He's been accused

00:14:33.260 of having

00:14:33.960 a kamikaze

00:14:35.040 candidacy.

00:14:37.300 So,

00:14:37.840 he's been accused

00:14:39.160 and I don't want

00:14:39.880 to say that

00:14:40.400 he's guilty of that.

00:14:42.240 He's been accused

00:14:43.260 of being

00:14:45.420 sort of

00:14:45.980 the attack vehicle

00:14:47.240 for Jason Kenney

00:14:48.660 to attack

00:14:49.560 Brian Jean

00:14:50.140 so that Jason Kenney

00:14:51.080 could get his hands

00:14:51.860 clean.

00:14:53.920 Jeff Calloway

00:14:54.940 has had nearly

00:14:56.240 a quarter

00:14:57.240 of a million

00:14:58.720 dollars

00:14:59.620 worth of fines

00:15:01.040 levied against him

00:15:02.600 and that doesn't

00:15:03.420 even include

00:15:04.020 his legal fees.

00:15:04.880 So,

00:15:05.080 that's levied

00:15:05.740 against him

00:15:06.260 and people

00:15:06.760 associated

00:15:07.440 with his campaign.

00:15:08.680 Now,

00:15:08.900 rightly or wrongly,

00:15:09.820 whatever you think

00:15:10.620 of Jeff Calloway's

00:15:11.940 guilt or innocence,

00:15:12.940 none of that

00:15:13.620 ever went

00:15:14.080 before a judge.

00:15:15.280 A quarter

00:15:15.960 of a million

00:15:17.180 dollars.

00:15:17.680 That's an utter

00:15:18.240 abomination

00:15:18.900 and that flies

00:15:20.460 in the face

00:15:21.140 of Canadian

00:15:21.860 sense of justice

00:15:23.060 and yet

00:15:24.140 this

00:15:25.060 bureaucracy

00:15:26.640 is just

00:15:27.540 running rampant

00:15:28.820 targeting

00:15:29.620 conservatives

00:15:30.280 and,

00:15:31.320 you know,

00:15:32.040 either you can

00:15:32.560 lawyer up

00:15:33.200 and pay

00:15:33.860 $75,000

00:15:35.500 in legal fees.

00:15:36.500 I can't even

00:15:37.220 imagine what

00:15:37.740 Jeff Calloway's

00:15:38.380 legal fees are

00:15:39.020 or you can just

00:15:40.000 start taking fines

00:15:41.420 because these

00:15:42.540 activist

00:15:43.180 investigators

00:15:44.060 get to decide

00:15:45.760 whether or not

00:15:47.220 they investigate

00:15:47.880 you all the way

00:15:48.960 through to the

00:15:49.460 execution of the

00:15:50.240 fines and it

00:15:50.740 is utterly

00:15:51.380 insane.

00:15:52.340 You know,

00:15:52.900 Sheila,

00:15:53.400 you got my

00:15:53.840 blood boiling

00:15:54.400 because this

00:15:55.540 non-elected

00:15:56.640 unaccountable

00:15:57.560 bureaucracy

00:15:58.080 which has a

00:15:59.400 vendetta,

00:16:00.020 let's face it,

00:16:01.200 against certain

00:16:02.260 people,

00:16:03.440 even when

00:16:05.080 they are wrong

00:16:06.260 and we prove

00:16:06.920 them wrong,

00:16:07.940 it's almost as

00:16:08.720 though,

00:16:09.000 Sheila,

00:16:09.300 going through

00:16:10.360 the process

00:16:10.940 is the penalty.

00:16:12.040 I mean,

00:16:12.280 for example,

00:16:13.080 if,

00:16:13.600 you know,

00:16:13.840 we didn't

00:16:14.300 have Ezra

00:16:15.480 Levant,

00:16:15.980 a free speech

00:16:16.840 champion,

00:16:17.820 willing to

00:16:18.860 go the

00:16:20.120 distance

00:16:20.660 fighting this,

00:16:21.680 if you were,

00:16:22.440 say,

00:16:22.680 a freelancer

00:16:23.600 and you

00:16:25.700 didn't have

00:16:26.600 the resources

00:16:27.460 of the rebel

00:16:29.360 and our

00:16:30.040 generous donors,

00:16:31.580 you would have

00:16:32.680 to bend the

00:16:33.200 knee or

00:16:33.560 basically,

00:16:34.360 you know,

00:16:35.240 mortgage your

00:16:35.780 house.

00:16:36.640 And this

00:16:38.160 is what's

00:16:38.680 infuriating.

00:16:39.860 You can be

00:16:40.640 right in terms

00:16:42.220 of the letter

00:16:42.720 of the law,

00:16:43.220 but they're

00:16:44.000 going to

00:16:44.260 get you

00:16:44.880 in terms

00:16:45.600 of financial

00:16:46.880 prosecution.

00:16:48.760 Yeah,

00:16:49.380 I mean,

00:16:49.720 at the very

00:16:50.320 beginning of

00:16:51.000 this,

00:16:51.580 the legislation

00:16:52.140 is perfectly

00:16:53.700 crystal clear.

00:16:55.160 It doesn't

00:16:55.740 include books.

00:16:57.020 And yet,

00:16:57.380 they still

00:16:57.980 proceeded with

00:16:58.940 an investigation

00:16:59.580 because they

00:17:00.360 got,

00:17:01.200 I suppose,

00:17:02.320 dozens and

00:17:03.000 dozens of

00:17:03.640 nuisance complaints

00:17:04.560 from NDP

00:17:05.420 activists.

00:17:06.140 That's another

00:17:06.760 thing in all

00:17:07.360 of this.

00:17:07.660 I don't

00:17:08.300 even get

00:17:09.080 to see

00:17:09.840 what the

00:17:10.680 complaints

00:17:11.080 were against

00:17:11.620 me or,

00:17:12.400 for that

00:17:12.720 matter,

00:17:13.220 who is

00:17:13.600 making the

00:17:14.320 complaints

00:17:14.660 against me.

00:17:15.320 So,

00:17:15.780 unlike the

00:17:16.680 rest of the

00:17:17.300 justice system,

00:17:18.200 I don't get

00:17:18.800 to confront

00:17:19.620 my accusers.

00:17:20.320 I don't get

00:17:20.800 to know who

00:17:21.400 my accusers

00:17:22.080 are.

00:17:22.320 I just

00:17:22.600 have to

00:17:23.140 hunker down

00:17:24.040 and take

00:17:24.540 it.

00:17:25.880 But,

00:17:26.440 yeah,

00:17:26.840 without

00:17:27.580 Ezra and

00:17:29.360 his,

00:17:29.620 you know,

00:17:30.600 his unwavering

00:17:31.660 desire to

00:17:32.340 always fight

00:17:33.340 for free

00:17:33.760 speech,

00:17:34.060 and our

00:17:35.140 generous

00:17:35.820 donors who

00:17:37.140 stepped up

00:17:38.080 and helped

00:17:38.620 every step

00:17:39.540 of the way

00:17:39.860 and recognized

00:17:40.620 that this is

00:17:41.200 truly a fight

00:17:42.060 for free

00:17:42.520 speech,

00:17:43.120 I don't know

00:17:43.720 where I would

00:17:44.200 be.

00:17:44.760 I probably

00:17:45.420 would have

00:17:46.340 been left

00:17:47.260 with no

00:17:47.900 choice to

00:17:49.880 just take

00:17:50.640 the first

00:17:51.200 fine they

00:17:51.820 gave me

00:17:52.340 and hand

00:17:52.880 over my

00:17:53.640 notes because

00:17:54.600 this is a

00:17:55.240 burden I

00:17:55.660 could never

00:17:56.200 have asked

00:17:56.720 my family

00:17:57.260 to bear.

00:17:58.360 Unbelievable.

00:17:59.100 Sheila,

00:17:59.320 we'll have

00:17:59.480 to wrap it

00:17:59.880 there.

00:18:00.140 Just one

00:18:00.560 exit question.

00:18:02.020 This was

00:18:02.960 a creature

00:18:03.640 created by

00:18:05.300 Rachel Notley's

00:18:06.360 government years

00:18:07.480 ago.

00:18:08.740 There's been

00:18:09.460 regime change

00:18:10.220 in your

00:18:10.520 province,

00:18:11.080 thankfully,

00:18:11.560 of course.

00:18:12.040 I can't

00:18:12.500 imagine

00:18:12.880 Premier

00:18:13.340 Kenney

00:18:14.020 is a

00:18:15.020 fan of

00:18:15.900 this office

00:18:16.400 and the

00:18:17.040 way it's

00:18:17.620 behaving.

00:18:18.620 Does this

00:18:19.080 mean that

00:18:20.000 this thing

00:18:21.920 can be

00:18:22.800 undone

00:18:23.540 and Alberta

00:18:24.900 can go back

00:18:25.560 to the way

00:18:26.000 things were

00:18:26.560 before there

00:18:27.080 was this

00:18:27.660 egregious

00:18:28.540 elections

00:18:29.020 commissioner?

00:18:30.240 I would

00:18:30.940 love to see

00:18:31.660 that happen,

00:18:32.600 although it

00:18:33.120 doesn't sound

00:18:33.760 that way,

00:18:34.820 especially

00:18:35.460 given the

00:18:36.180 constant

00:18:36.660 investigations

00:18:37.480 going on

00:18:38.160 with the

00:18:38.480 aforementioned

00:18:39.120 Jeff Calloway

00:18:39.980 and his

00:18:40.360 links to

00:18:40.880 Jason Kenney's

00:18:41.560 leadership

00:18:41.940 campaign.

00:18:42.780 It's just

00:18:43.320 a political

00:18:43.820 hot potato

00:18:44.480 for Jason

00:18:45.060 Kenney.

00:18:45.400 He can't

00:18:45.780 be perceived

00:18:46.640 to be

00:18:47.040 squashing

00:18:47.560 this bureaucracy

00:18:48.320 when it's

00:18:49.700 sort of

00:18:50.100 investigating

00:18:50.840 him.

00:18:51.500 It just

00:18:51.840 would be

00:18:52.520 optically

00:18:53.080 terrible.

00:18:54.060 So I

00:18:54.520 suppose it's

00:18:55.460 left up

00:18:56.120 to people

00:18:57.560 like us

00:18:58.140 here at the

00:18:58.560 rebel

00:18:58.780 and some

00:18:59.100 other groups

00:18:59.860 who are

00:19:01.200 interested in

00:19:02.500 a constitutional

00:19:03.320 challenge of

00:19:04.820 the elections

00:19:05.520 commissioner

00:19:06.080 because it

00:19:06.700 seems to be

00:19:07.280 violating a

00:19:08.060 lot of

00:19:08.520 constitutional

00:19:09.160 laws that

00:19:11.360 weren't even

00:19:12.260 considered before

00:19:13.920 its creation,

00:19:14.820 which is

00:19:15.160 unsurprising

00:19:15.980 considering the

00:19:16.920 NDP created

00:19:17.800 it.

00:19:18.520 Well, the

00:19:19.220 Rachel Notley

00:19:20.600 government is

00:19:21.120 gone, but it

00:19:22.140 seems that in

00:19:22.700 some instances,

00:19:24.460 Sheila, their

00:19:25.020 stench remains

00:19:26.560 and maybe

00:19:27.740 for a long

00:19:29.440 time for the

00:19:30.020 reasons you

00:19:30.560 outlined.

00:19:31.520 Sheila, thank

00:19:32.000 you so much

00:19:32.560 and congratulations

00:19:34.020 on this

00:19:35.500 fantastic victory

00:19:37.180 regardless of

00:19:38.360 the cost and

00:19:39.060 time it took

00:19:39.760 to fight this

00:19:40.620 battle.

00:19:41.800 Thanks, David.

00:19:42.680 And if anybody

00:19:43.400 wants to see

00:19:44.200 our communications

00:19:45.720 with the

00:19:46.620 elections

00:19:47.000 commissioner,

00:19:47.640 our legal

00:19:48.000 back and

00:19:48.580 forth, or to

00:19:49.360 see the full

00:19:50.200 story, including

00:19:51.140 listening to

00:19:52.120 some of those

00:19:52.620 recordings I

00:19:53.300 had with that

00:19:53.880 investigator, they

00:19:54.640 can go to

00:19:55.260 SaveSheila.com

00:19:57.440 and have a

00:19:58.160 great weekend,

00:19:58.740 David.

00:19:59.240 Fantastic.

00:20:00.040 And I can

00:20:00.440 think of no

00:20:00.900 other person

00:20:01.860 you'd want to

00:20:02.440 save in this

00:20:02.900 world than

00:20:03.720 Sheila Gunner.

00:20:06.300 Thank you so

00:20:07.040 much, Sheila.

00:20:07.740 And folks, keep

00:20:08.600 it here.

00:20:09.060 More of Rebel

00:20:09.580 Roundup to come

00:20:10.320 right after this.

00:20:16.560 I'm here today

00:20:17.380 at the Stonewall

00:20:18.200 Collegiate School

00:20:19.360 in Stonewall,

00:20:20.080 Manitoba.

00:20:20.700 It's become the

00:20:21.880 center of a

00:20:22.780 poppy-related

00:20:23.920 controversy.

00:20:25.260 where a student

00:20:26.040 ended up getting

00:20:26.860 expelled for

00:20:28.160 posting posters

00:20:29.260 around the

00:20:29.840 school, saying

00:20:30.360 that she wants

00:20:31.100 the poppy to

00:20:32.060 remain the

00:20:32.640 poppy, that

00:20:33.320 every Canadian

00:20:33.900 knows and

00:20:34.540 honors.

00:20:35.480 Members of

00:20:35.820 the faculty

00:20:36.200 wanted Natalie

00:20:36.920 and her school 0.95

00:20:38.020 friends to

00:20:38.560 don an abridged

00:20:39.440 version of the

00:20:40.060 poppy, an

00:20:40.600 LGBT rainbow

00:20:41.880 version of the

00:20:42.580 poppy, and

00:20:43.000 Natalie simply

00:20:43.700 wasn't having

00:20:44.660 any of it.

00:20:45.780 I caught up

00:20:46.260 with Natalie

00:20:46.640 and her father

00:20:47.540 earlier today.

00:20:48.620 Natalie, would

00:20:49.260 you be able to

00:20:49.700 tell me how

00:20:50.620 this all started?

00:20:51.340 It started

00:20:54.000 when a few

00:20:55.840 teachers and

00:20:56.780 students started

00:20:57.720 to try to

00:20:58.440 force their

00:20:59.260 beliefs and

00:21:00.460 their ways of

00:21:02.400 living onto

00:21:03.160 us by saying

00:21:04.800 that we should

00:21:05.420 wear a

00:21:06.260 multicolored

00:21:06.920 poppy during

00:21:07.800 our Remembrance

00:21:08.620 Day service

00:21:09.380 today at

00:21:10.000 school.

00:21:10.360 school, but I

00:21:13.580 feel strongly

00:21:14.820 against it.

00:21:15.840 My grandparents,

00:21:17.040 they fought in

00:21:17.720 the war.

00:21:18.280 They might not

00:21:18.760 have died, but

00:21:19.680 they still did

00:21:20.920 it, so that

00:21:21.480 has a big

00:21:22.120 impact on my

00:21:23.020 life.

00:21:24.280 And so I

00:21:25.940 decided that I

00:21:26.900 would go to

00:21:27.420 school, type up

00:21:28.220 some papers of

00:21:30.460 my opinions and

00:21:31.880 how I was

00:21:32.620 feeling and my

00:21:33.420 beliefs about

00:21:34.160 it, and I

00:21:35.720 went around and

00:21:36.340 taped them up

00:21:36.900 on the walls of

00:21:37.420 the school, and

00:21:39.100 they instantly got

00:21:39.960 taken down, and

00:21:41.780 the principals

00:21:42.880 pulled me into

00:21:43.800 the office and

00:21:44.840 began to yell

00:21:45.840 at me and

00:21:46.620 accuse me of

00:21:47.420 hate crime and

00:21:48.240 hate speech.

00:21:49.260 Well, I know

00:21:49.680 what you're

00:21:49.920 thinking, folks.

00:21:50.920 That new and

00:21:52.180 not-so-improved

00:21:53.160 poppy is so, so

00:21:55.300 wrong on so, so

00:21:56.860 many levels.

00:21:58.240 First, some

00:21:58.940 presumably woke

00:22:00.020 educrat decides

00:22:01.300 he's going to

00:22:02.060 promote a

00:22:02.680 rainbow-colored

00:22:03.620 poppy, meaning

00:22:05.080 of course it no

00:22:06.060 longer resembles

00:22:06.920 the Legion-approved

00:22:08.780 poppy

00:22:09.300 whatsoever.

00:22:10.680 And then, when a

00:22:11.720 couple of students

00:22:12.340 put up posters

00:22:13.540 decrying this

00:22:14.680 poppy vandalism,

00:22:16.680 they are suspended

00:22:17.600 and get accused

00:22:18.700 of, wait for it,

00:22:20.980 hate speech.

00:22:22.560 But how is

00:22:23.520 taking a

00:22:24.320 principled stance

00:22:25.380 hateful?

00:22:26.640 How is doing the

00:22:27.840 right thing, i.e.

00:22:28.920 standing up for

00:22:29.940 poppy classic,

00:22:31.780 an act of

00:22:32.600 hate speech?

00:22:34.900 Well, joining me

00:22:35.680 now is our roving

00:22:36.780 reporter, Kian

00:22:37.640 Bextie, who went

00:22:38.580 to Manitoba to

00:22:39.500 get to the

00:22:40.100 bottom of this

00:22:41.060 sordid story.

00:22:42.160 Welcome to

00:22:42.760 Rebel Roundup,

00:22:43.420 Kian. 0.52

00:22:44.560 Thanks for having

00:22:45.040 me, David.

00:22:45.580 You got it.

00:22:46.080 Always a pleasure,

00:22:46.700 my friend.

00:22:47.200 So, Kian, so 1.00

00:22:48.340 many angles, so

00:22:49.400 many head-spinning

00:22:50.640 details pertaining

00:22:51.800 to this awful

00:22:52.880 story, but first

00:22:53.820 things first, just

00:22:55.240 what the heck was

00:22:56.620 the impetus for

00:22:58.080 the school deciding

00:22:59.240 to desecrate the

00:23:00.680 poppy in the

00:23:01.240 first place?

00:23:01.840 I mean, you

00:23:05.960 did a story on

00:23:07.020 this two years

00:23:08.160 ago, I think.

00:23:09.240 You were laughing

00:23:10.080 at the idea of a

00:23:11.160 rainbow poppy, and

00:23:13.740 your story became

00:23:16.360 reality.

00:23:17.300 It didn't take

00:23:17.900 long for fiction to

00:23:19.040 become a fact.

00:23:20.080 I actually couldn't

00:23:20.920 believe it when I

00:23:22.340 heard it, because it

00:23:22.920 wasn't just this

00:23:23.600 school that started

00:23:24.440 talking about it

00:23:26.080 first.

00:23:26.560 There was rumblings

00:23:27.420 throughout social

00:23:28.380 media that this was

00:23:29.460 kind of this cool

00:23:30.320 and poppy, this 0.83

00:23:31.600 rainbow-colored

00:23:32.500 poppy that was

00:23:34.680 somehow, you

00:23:36.920 know, was for the

00:23:37.840 LGBT community that

00:23:39.980 was fighting in

00:23:42.260 World War I and

00:23:42.880 World War II.

00:23:44.400 And then the school

00:23:45.840 decided, I guess, it

00:23:46.900 would be a good

00:23:48.300 thing to promote.

00:23:50.240 And then Natalie

00:23:51.560 wasn't having any

00:23:52.800 of it and started

00:23:54.480 putting up posters.

00:23:55.660 And once she put up

00:23:56.800 posters, she was 0.99

00:23:58.280 suspended within a

00:24:00.060 few hours.

00:24:00.560 You know, it's

00:24:01.940 amazing, and by

00:24:03.080 the way, just to

00:24:03.660 fill in the gaps

00:24:04.280 there, Kian, yeah,

00:24:05.020 back in 2016, you

00:24:06.660 know, we used to do

00:24:07.140 a little segment

00:24:07.740 called Generation

00:24:08.600 Trudeau on campus,

00:24:09.960 and we went to

00:24:10.720 Ryerson University,

00:24:12.120 probably one of the

00:24:13.160 most progressive

00:24:13.960 woke campuses in

00:24:15.880 Canada.

00:24:16.640 And the idea was

00:24:17.700 that we came up

00:24:18.360 with four new

00:24:19.540 poppies.

00:24:20.220 We were just making

00:24:21.240 things up as

00:24:22.000 outrageous as we

00:24:22.880 could be.

00:24:23.520 And one was a

00:24:24.320 rainbow-colored

00:24:24.980 LGBT poppy. 0.83

00:24:27.260 And I have to

00:24:28.560 say, I have to

00:24:29.020 give kudos to the

00:24:29.780 kids on campus for

00:24:30.760 a change.

00:24:31.720 The vast majority

00:24:32.540 said, no, that's

00:24:33.500 not cool.

00:24:34.360 The traditional

00:24:35.000 poppy is the way 0.98

00:24:36.600 it should be left.

00:24:37.480 But like you said,

00:24:38.140 three years later,

00:24:39.320 an outrageous goof

00:24:40.740 on my part becomes

00:24:42.320 reality.

00:24:42.880 But here's the

00:24:43.740 thing, Kian.

00:24:44.640 When it comes to

00:24:45.700 this poppy, the

00:24:46.900 classic red and

00:24:48.420 black poppy, by

00:24:50.600 very definition, it

00:24:51.880 is inclusive.

00:24:52.740 This is all about

00:24:53.720 remembering the

00:24:55.080 war dead.

00:24:55.680 There's no

00:24:56.520 asterisk, there's

00:24:58.020 no caveat saying

00:24:59.600 this is about the

00:25:01.240 straight men and

00:25:02.800 women who gave 0.86

00:25:03.780 their lives on the

00:25:04.680 battlefield in

00:25:05.880 World War I, World

00:25:06.840 War II, the

00:25:07.380 Korean conflict, and

00:25:08.400 so forth.

00:25:09.620 It doesn't exclude 0.99

00:25:11.600 anybody.

00:25:12.640 So I think an

00:25:13.740 LGBT rainbow-colored

00:25:15.980 poppy is a

00:25:17.740 solution looking for

00:25:19.520 a problem that

00:25:20.600 does not exist.

00:25:23.300 Yeah.

00:25:24.000 I mean, you're

00:25:24.480 absolutely right.

00:25:25.260 everybody bleeds 0.99

00:25:26.360 red, and that's

00:25:27.820 what the poem was

00:25:29.180 written for.

00:25:29.880 You know, in

00:25:30.520 Flanders Fields, where

00:25:33.180 the poppies are

00:25:33.760 growing, it's not

00:25:34.900 rainbow poppies that

00:25:36.100 are growing.

00:25:36.780 It's, you know, the

00:25:37.700 red represents the

00:25:39.440 blood that was

00:25:40.000 spilled by our

00:25:40.680 soldiers, and the 0.90

00:25:42.140 black represents the 0.99

00:25:43.400 widows that were 1.00

00:25:43.940 left behind.

00:25:45.360 So, yeah, I think

00:25:48.040 that this rainbow

00:25:49.080 poppy is an

00:25:49.760 affront to everything

00:25:50.920 that we value as a

00:25:53.440 Western country, because 0.99

00:25:54.520 it's not just this

00:25:57.080 day, November 11th,

00:25:59.200 right?

00:25:59.380 The whole lead-up to

00:26:00.580 this, our honoring of

00:26:02.060 our former soldiers,

00:26:03.520 they're trying to

00:26:04.360 corrupt this for their

00:26:06.100 own current year

00:26:08.220 political agenda, is

00:26:09.680 what I call it.

00:26:10.260 The current year, you

00:26:11.620 know, whatever the

00:26:12.100 fad is.

00:26:12.760 And right now, it's

00:26:13.480 the LGBT poppy.

00:26:15.320 It's the LGBT 0.99

00:26:17.440 community in general.

00:26:18.880 And you know what's

00:26:19.700 interesting, David?

00:26:20.480 I was actually at

00:26:21.660 Stonewall Collegiate

00:26:22.600 yesterday speaking to

00:26:24.420 the students of the

00:26:25.720 school and the

00:26:27.540 principal and the

00:26:28.140 superintendent, and the

00:26:29.320 students of the

00:26:29.980 school were outraged

00:26:31.600 by this.

00:26:32.320 They thought it was

00:26:32.920 despicable that Natalie 0.68

00:26:34.280 was suspended, first

00:26:35.800 off, but they also

00:26:36.780 thought that the

00:26:37.360 rainbow-colored poppy

00:26:38.360 was despicable, and 0.89

00:26:39.860 this was coming from

00:26:41.300 LGBT students

00:26:42.800 themselves.

00:26:43.740 I interviewed two of

00:26:44.720 them.

00:26:45.320 There were these

00:26:46.280 young ladies.

00:26:47.820 I think they were in

00:26:48.600 grade 11.

00:26:50.060 And they said, you

00:26:51.660 know, even as a

00:26:52.320 member of the

00:26:52.780 community, they

00:26:54.000 thought that this

00:26:54.900 showed just the most

00:26:56.020 disrespect to our

00:26:58.660 fallen veterans.

00:27:00.600 So I think that

00:27:01.760 there's still some

00:27:02.400 faith in the students

00:27:03.520 in Generation Z, the

00:27:05.400 Zoomers that are 1.00

00:27:06.000 coming up.

00:27:06.700 I don't think they're

00:27:07.420 the problem.

00:27:08.340 I don't think the

00:27:08.920 LGBT community is the

00:27:10.180 problem here either.

00:27:11.520 The people that are

00:27:12.280 pushing this are all

00:27:13.740 straight, middle-aged,

00:27:15.300 women and some men who

00:27:18.440 have too much time on

00:27:19.480 their hands.

00:27:20.400 That's where this is

00:27:21.040 coming from.

00:27:22.120 So, yeah, I guess I'll...

00:27:25.140 No, I think you're

00:27:26.600 absolutely right, Kean.

00:27:27.480 It's an ongoing trend.

00:27:28.600 I mean, many years ago,

00:27:29.720 I uncovered a memo.

00:27:31.440 It was leaked to me, and

00:27:32.860 it was the Toronto

00:27:33.480 District School Board

00:27:34.500 putting out six reasons

00:27:35.960 why Halloween, of all

00:27:37.640 things, isn't so much

00:27:39.160 fun, and they were

00:27:40.600 outrageous reasons, and

00:27:41.700 when I went to the

00:27:42.300 school board to find

00:27:43.200 out who complained, how

00:27:45.260 many complaints did they

00:27:46.300 get, the answer was

00:27:47.840 zero.

00:27:48.600 So basically, this was a

00:27:49.980 little star chamber at

00:27:51.980 the TDSB dreaming up

00:27:54.800 ideas that might be,

00:27:56.640 could be, perhaps will be

00:27:59.180 offensive to certain

00:28:01.480 individuals or groups that

00:28:02.960 didn't exist.

00:28:03.620 So I totally agree,

00:28:04.900 these are people with

00:28:05.980 too much time on their

00:28:07.120 hands trying to dream up

00:28:08.760 ways to be non-offensive

00:28:10.700 when there's no offense

00:28:11.940 in the first place.

00:28:12.780 But, Kean, what I want

00:28:13.580 to get to you, what I

00:28:15.200 want to get more

00:28:15.740 information about is

00:28:16.640 when Natalie and our

00:28:17.340 friend put up these

00:28:18.120 posters, there was no

00:28:20.320 kind of hateful language

00:28:22.080 I could see in these

00:28:23.180 posters, and yet they're

00:28:24.160 suspended on the

00:28:25.800 principle of hate speech

00:28:28.240 just for standing up for

00:28:29.860 the traditional

00:28:30.420 politics.

00:28:31.220 Kean, to me, that is

00:28:32.860 an outrageous stretch of

00:28:35.160 the definition of hate

00:28:36.580 speech.

00:28:38.160 You're absolutely right

00:28:39.200 about that, David.

00:28:39.980 Section 319 of the

00:28:41.640 Criminal Code, in case

00:28:42.540 any of the viewers want

00:28:43.280 to look it up, it very

00:28:45.660 explicitly defines what

00:28:46.760 hate speech is, and

00:28:47.800 now whether or not you

00:28:48.600 believe hate speech should

00:28:49.720 be regulated in the

00:28:51.060 Criminal Code, it's not

00:28:52.100 the point here.

00:28:53.280 This poster that she put

00:28:55.780 up doesn't even meet the

00:28:57.740 most broad definition of

00:28:59.480 hate speech, perhaps the

00:29:01.080 most edgy thing she said

00:29:02.420 there was keep it in your

00:29:04.000 pants.

00:29:05.200 Is that hate speech in

00:29:06.480 2019, David?

00:29:08.260 I don't think so.

00:29:09.560 And, you know, the other

00:29:10.400 factor here, Kean, is

00:29:12.540 could you imagine the

00:29:14.780 outrage if we reverse

00:29:16.460 things?

00:29:16.760 I'm coming up with another

00:29:17.800 goof here, but it's kind

00:29:20.220 of a scenario that's the

00:29:21.500 reverse of what happened.

00:29:22.600 Say there was a gay pride 0.99

00:29:23.760 parade and members of the

00:29:25.040 Canadian Legion went up and

00:29:27.260 down the spectators asking

00:29:29.320 to confiscate their rainbow

00:29:31.080 colored flags and giving

00:29:32.220 them a little flag with a

00:29:33.800 poppy on it.

00:29:35.400 Could you imagine the

00:29:37.740 howls of outrage and

00:29:40.020 homophobia, transphobia that

00:29:42.780 would result from that kind

00:29:44.800 of social engineering?

00:29:46.920 Yeah, this kind of thing

00:29:48.000 works one way and not the

00:29:50.100 other.

00:29:50.600 These people who I was

00:29:52.140 saying are just cooking this

00:29:54.540 stuff up just because they

00:29:55.600 have too much time on their

00:29:56.520 hands, that's partly the

00:29:58.460 reason, but I think what

00:30:00.420 motivates them is the

00:30:02.700 outrage that ensues.

00:30:04.280 It's like crack to them.

00:30:06.440 Seeing this story blow up,

00:30:08.880 I'm sure, just made them so

00:30:10.760 happy because they know that

00:30:11.980 they're sticking it to the

00:30:13.420 middle-aged white man, you

00:30:14.800 know, but at the end of the

00:30:16.580 day, they're just in it for

00:30:17.720 the outrage.

00:30:18.540 It's outrage culture. 0.96

00:30:19.560 They just get a high from it.

00:30:21.720 Whereas, you know, we don't.

00:30:23.400 We let them go do their own 0.53

00:30:24.760 thing.

00:30:25.060 If they want to go march in a

00:30:26.100 private, go ahead.

00:30:27.840 If you want to fly a rainbow

00:30:29.720 flag on your property, go

00:30:31.520 right ahead.

00:30:32.100 We're not going to bother you.

00:30:33.040 But to them, to the leftists,

00:30:36.640 to the straight, middle-aged

00:30:38.740 social justice warriors,

00:30:41.300 anything they can do to

00:30:42.520 outrage the mainstream gets

00:30:45.000 them off.

00:30:45.780 You know, I think you're right

00:30:47.260 about that, Kian, and I think

00:30:49.140 right now they're already in

00:30:50.480 their little war rooms

00:30:51.420 thinking, where else can we

00:30:53.180 push the envelope?

00:30:53.760 Hey, maybe they're going to do

00:30:55.360 a rainbow-colored Santa Claus

00:30:57.540 costume, you know.

00:30:59.280 And again, it would be, you

00:31:00.640 know, Santa Claus.

00:31:01.880 I'm not comparing Santa to

00:31:05.840 Remembrance Day.

00:31:06.940 But, I mean, that's just a

00:31:08.120 make-believe construct.

00:31:09.680 But again, the principle

00:31:11.080 stands.

00:31:12.000 Nothing in the Santa legend

00:31:13.220 says this guy flies around the

00:31:15.280 world on Christmas Eve giving

00:31:16.900 straight kids presents, right?

00:31:19.080 You know, so again, it's trying

00:31:20.760 to create an issue that

00:31:22.780 doesn't exist.

00:31:24.600 You know, Kian, I've got to 1.00

00:31:25.780 tell you, your epilogue to the

00:31:27.560 story had my blood boiling.

00:31:30.000 And that was, I believe it was

00:31:31.340 at Global and CTV News were,

00:31:34.020 you know, investigating this as

00:31:36.540 a story, as well as it should,

00:31:38.200 because it's one hell of a

00:31:39.560 story, especially for this time

00:31:41.500 of year with Remembrance Day on

00:31:42.700 Monday.

00:31:43.440 And it looks like they've

00:31:46.000 abandoned it.

00:31:46.780 They're not going forward with

00:31:47.940 it.

00:31:48.840 Why?

00:31:50.860 I mean, did you ever trust an 1.00

00:31:52.460 mainstream media to cover a

00:31:53.900 story such as this?

00:31:55.460 I was in the parking lot

00:31:56.740 interviewing Natalie.

00:31:58.180 It was parking lot of a

00:31:58.940 McDonald's in Winnipeg.

00:32:00.860 And immediately after, well,

00:32:03.140 actually, I arrived.

00:32:04.520 And then immediately after,

00:32:05.860 Global News arrived.

00:32:06.800 And I made them wait out in

00:32:07.780 the cold for about 30 minutes

00:32:09.080 while I interviewed Natalie

00:32:10.180 and her father.

00:32:11.240 And that made me feel a

00:32:11.920 little bit good.

00:32:12.980 And then when I wrapped up,

00:32:14.500 the Global News guy came and

00:32:15.840 started conducting his own

00:32:17.020 interview, taking his own

00:32:17.840 pictures.

00:32:18.360 So I know they did it.

00:32:20.120 I know for a fact that they

00:32:21.580 were onto the story.

00:32:22.960 But once the interview didn't

00:32:24.480 turn out the way they wanted,

00:32:26.780 I guess they said, yeah,

00:32:28.580 we're not even going to

00:32:29.360 publish something on it.

00:32:30.520 And now the problem is it

00:32:33.140 makes it makes Natalie feel

00:32:35.760 like maybe she is in the

00:32:37.420 wrong.

00:32:37.740 Maybe she is guilty of speech.

00:32:39.580 She's just a high school girl.

00:32:41.960 And when the mainstream media,

00:32:43.880 Global News and CTV say, yeah,

00:32:46.200 we're not going to cover this

00:32:47.520 story.

00:32:47.980 You're some sort of villain

00:32:49.200 almost.

00:32:51.000 That cuts deep to a young woman.

00:32:55.260 So that's why I am creating a

00:32:57.700 petition.

00:32:58.360 It's called ProtectOurPoppies.ca.

00:33:01.000 It's plural.

00:33:02.300 ProtectOurPoppies.ca.

00:33:03.400 We're signing this letter of

00:33:05.220 support for Natalie.

00:33:07.160 We're signing this letter of

00:33:08.240 support for our original poppy,

00:33:10.680 for the way it was intended to

00:33:12.580 be worn and represented to

00:33:15.020 honor our fallen soldiers.

00:33:18.320 And we're going to send that

00:33:19.740 letter to Natalie so that she

00:33:21.460 knows, A, she's not alone.

00:33:23.460 Canadians are on her side.

00:33:24.680 And actually, even we got a few

00:33:25.860 letters from Scotland.

00:33:27.400 We got some from the United

00:33:29.240 States.

00:33:30.260 People around the world actually

00:33:31.840 support Natalie and her, you

00:33:35.460 know, her standing up for the

00:33:36.780 values of free speech, freedom

00:33:38.340 of expression, and standing up

00:33:39.520 for the poppy story.

00:33:40.340 We're going to send it to

00:33:40.820 Natalie.

00:33:41.440 We're going to also send this

00:33:42.480 petition to the school

00:33:45.040 administration so that they know

00:33:46.480 how off base they are with the

00:33:49.000 rest of the world.

00:33:49.900 This isn't how Canadians operate. 1.00

00:33:51.980 Canadians respect their

00:33:52.820 veterans and they respect people

00:33:54.400 who stand up for free speech

00:33:55.560 and free expression.

00:33:56.460 So that's what I want to show

00:33:57.340 Natalie.

00:33:57.640 So I encourage your viewers to

00:33:59.020 go sign that petition at

00:34:00.040 ProtectOurPuppies.

00:34:01.460 You know, I think that's a

00:34:03.800 fantastic initiative on your

00:34:05.280 part because I can tell you,

00:34:06.680 I mean, you and I, we've got

00:34:08.540 pretty tough skin given the kind

00:34:10.780 of stuff we have to deal with

00:34:12.660 on a daily basis.

00:34:13.780 But I remember what it was like

00:34:15.240 in high school.

00:34:16.320 I mean, the high school was your

00:34:17.580 world, your universe, and you

00:34:19.620 were very susceptible to what

00:34:22.060 others thought of you or said

00:34:24.020 about you.

00:34:24.600 I can empathize, you know, with

00:34:27.620 what, you know, Natalie is going 0.98

00:34:30.060 through.

00:34:30.400 So I think showing her that the

00:34:32.600 vast majority of people out there

00:34:34.340 are on her side will be fantastic,

00:34:37.480 you know, if she's suffering from

00:34:39.980 any stress for this outrageous

00:34:42.420 issue.

00:34:44.160 And the second thing is, Kian, what

00:34:46.740 these educrats don't understand, I

00:34:49.440 think, is that when you talk to

00:34:51.460 people at the Legion, there is a

00:34:53.520 very certain protocol of how a

00:34:56.220 poppy should be worn when you

00:34:58.620 start wearing a poppy, when you

00:35:00.640 take it off.

00:35:01.980 It's all codified.

00:35:03.940 And for them to say, we're going

00:35:05.720 to give this a slick new paint

00:35:07.380 job, you know, Kian, I can only 1.00

00:35:09.560 imagine what veterans in the Legion

00:35:12.040 halls across our dominion are

00:35:13.920 thinking about this in the first

00:35:15.960 place.

00:35:16.560 And, you know, I want to get your

00:35:18.040 thoughts on that because I think

00:35:19.440 ultimately what they were, what

00:35:21.400 they've really done in trying to

00:35:23.320 be inclusive when there was no

00:35:25.360 inclusivity issue at play is to

00:35:28.660 outright disrespect the veterans.

00:35:32.560 I think that's an excellent

00:35:33.960 question.

00:35:34.600 And next time I see a veteran, I'll

00:35:36.660 certainly ask them.

00:35:37.700 Maybe on camera, too.

00:35:39.460 Maybe I'll go to the Legion.

00:35:40.840 I have a membership, actually, to

00:35:42.240 the Legion.

00:35:43.000 I encourage everyone to get one

00:35:44.460 because it's a great place to be,

00:35:46.580 eat beer, and you get to hear

00:35:47.700 great stories from great people.

00:35:49.960 So when I do go, I'll maybe have

00:35:52.560 to ask them.

00:35:53.000 Maybe I'll pull up my camera and

00:35:54.080 see what they think.

00:35:55.160 Fantastic.

00:35:55.800 Well, Kian, a fantastic story. 1.00

00:35:57.520 I urge all our viewers to go and

00:35:59.560 watch the full report.

00:36:01.600 So thank you so much for that.

00:36:03.980 Thanks, David.

00:36:04.580 And you know what?

00:36:05.180 I'm going to save this episode.

00:36:06.760 And when I see a rainbow Santa in

00:36:08.800 the near future, I'm sure I'm going

00:36:10.340 to blame you.

00:36:12.380 Okay.

00:36:15.400 Well, Kian, as I've always said, this 1.00

00:36:17.420 is why Mad Magazine went out of

00:36:18.920 business in August.

00:36:19.960 You can't parody real life anymore.

00:36:22.660 So I'll take the blame for that.

00:36:24.640 So thank you again for a great piece,

00:36:26.360 Kian. 0.52

00:36:27.240 All right.

00:36:27.800 Talk to you later.

00:36:28.400 Gotcha.

00:36:28.900 And that was Kian Bexty in Calgary.

00:36:32.020 Keep it here, folks.

00:36:33.020 More of a Rebel Roundup to come right 0.95

00:36:34.580 after this.

00:36:40.300 Now, if we can just back this up a

00:36:42.900 second, a lot of people across

00:36:45.040 Canada are probably scratching their

00:36:47.760 heads and wondering, with the

00:36:50.120 preponderance of evidence against

00:36:52.840 Justin Trudeau, where, oh, where is

00:36:56.560 the RCMP in this?

00:36:58.160 Why?

00:36:58.680 I mean, private prosecution is one

00:37:01.280 thing, but why isn't the, why aren't

00:37:04.020 the Mounties involved in this, Gary?

00:37:06.000 Well, what are your thoughts on that?

00:37:07.600 Well, I don't know a single case

00:37:09.180 within my lifetime of the police

00:37:11.560 holding any politicians accountable.

00:37:13.200 We don't seem to do that in this

00:37:14.260 country.

00:37:15.200 It didn't take me too long on the

00:37:17.080 internet to download enough evidence

00:37:19.280 that Justin Trudeau committed

00:37:21.060 obstruction of justice.

00:37:23.260 There's public testimony by the

00:37:25.320 previous attorney general.

00:37:27.860 There's been an investigation by the

00:37:29.940 ethics commissioner.

00:37:31.300 Like, there's a mountain of

00:37:32.560 evidence, both recorded phone calls,

00:37:34.780 so you actually have first-hand

00:37:37.380 evidence of who said what to whom.

00:37:41.140 And so if I, as a private citizen,

00:37:43.020 within a few hours can gather enough

00:37:45.360 evidence to have the charge laid and

00:37:48.040 would be successful in a trial, I can't

00:37:50.820 see how the RCMP takes six months or a

00:37:54.160 year or even longer to do what I can do

00:37:57.500 on the internet just through Google search.

00:37:59.160 It's truly incredible.

00:38:01.280 In the fallout of the SNC-Lavalin

00:38:03.580 scandal, Justin Trudeau was never

00:38:05.520 convicted of anything or, heck, even

00:38:07.920 charged with anything.

00:38:09.760 Rather, he was rewarded with another

00:38:12.160 term in office.

00:38:13.420 But while the Mounties seemed to be

00:38:15.220 asleep at the switch for whatever

00:38:17.080 unspoken reason, that didn't stop Gary

00:38:20.020 McHale from filing a private prosecution

00:38:22.300 against the Prime Minister in provincial

00:38:24.800 court in Ottawa on Monday.

00:38:27.300 Alas, it didn't go anywhere, although

00:38:29.980 McHale plans on filing an appeal.

00:38:33.040 But unlike the cops, at least Gary McHale

00:38:35.760 is trying to get a measure of justice

00:38:37.980 when it comes to lab scam.

00:38:41.540 In any event, here's what some of you had

00:38:43.260 to say about one man's quest to have

00:38:45.260 Justin Trudeau answer for his

00:38:47.700 indiscretions.

00:38:48.660 You know, I agree, Pilot Barbie, and it

00:38:56.640 should be noted that this is not merely

00:38:58.900 a stunt.

00:39:00.380 Gary McHale has successfully used private

00:39:02.780 prosecutions against other institutions

00:39:05.400 in the past.

00:39:06.900 It's just that with this matter, he's

00:39:09.140 going up against the most powerful man

00:39:10.860 in the country, but not even the Prime

00:39:13.260 Minister should be above the law.

00:39:15.500 Well, you know, Pam, I think a growing

00:39:29.560 number of Canadians feel exactly the same

00:39:32.100 way you do.

00:39:33.180 How sad.

00:39:34.660 Decades ago, the Mounties were the gold

00:39:37.200 standard when it came to law enforcement.

00:39:40.080 But perhaps those days are gone.

00:39:41.840 And Aubrey Young writes,

00:39:44.540 It should be obvious to anyone at this

00:39:47.000 point that the Crown and the RCMP are not

00:39:50.360 here to pursue justice and uphold the rule

00:39:52.600 of law.

00:39:53.540 They are here to subjugate the peasants while 1.00

00:39:55.880 protecting the ruling class of elites,

00:39:58.740 allowing them to go unchecked while they

00:40:01.380 commit crimes against us.

00:40:04.020 Hey, you know something, Aubrey?

00:40:05.900 Some days, it sure does seem that way,

00:40:08.520 doesn't it?

00:40:08.980 Well, that wraps up another edition of

00:40:11.920 Rebel Roundup.

00:40:12.720 Thanks so much for tuning in.

00:40:14.020 And remember, folks, without risk,

00:40:16.140 there can be no glory.

00:40:17.600 Good night.

00:40:18.060 We'll see you next time.

Rebel News Podcast - November 09, 2019

Rebel Roundup： David Menzies with Sheila Gunn Reid and Keean Bexte

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