Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Cabinet ministers cover their behinds in the last week of trucker commission testimony

00:00:00.120 We're in the last week of the Public Order Emergency Commission, which means we're going to see politicians doing their best to defend nine months of lies.

00:00:08.000 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:10.120 We're in the last week of the Public Order Emergency Commission.

00:00:40.120 Like Justin Trudeau from ever invoking it willy-nilly because of his own hurt feelings against peaceful anti-regime political dissidents.

00:00:49.940 But that's exactly what happened earlier this year, actually February 14th, when Justin Trudeau invoked the Emergencies Act.

00:00:57.780 It's a wartime law meant for 9-11 level events, for Pearl Harbor level events, D-Day level events.

00:01:08.280 That's what it's meant for, but Justin Trudeau used it to get rid of nearly four weeks of peaceful anti-COVID mandate protests in the nation's capital, but also in other locations all across the country.

00:01:24.500 It was called the Convoy for Freedom, and it was sparked by truckers who were in opposition of the government's newly announced at the time cross-border vaccine mandate for truckers.

00:01:35.720 But it became an avatar of resistance to two years of restrictions, isolation, separation, alienation, job loss, and government overreach.

00:01:48.040 So as I said, the Public Order Inquiry is going on right now in Ottawa.

00:01:53.100 We're calling it the Trucker Commission.

00:01:55.320 You can see all of our coverage at truckercommission.ca.

00:01:57.840 We've got four consistent journalists on the ground in Ottawa.

00:02:02.100 We've got Kian Simone and Guillaume Ra.

00:02:04.300 They're behind the camera.

00:02:06.020 Then we've got Celine Gallas and William Diaz.

00:02:09.040 They're in front of the camera and inside the commission room.

00:02:12.180 I was there for two days this week to witness it for myself, to see the other journalists for myself, and to see just what it's like inside that room.

00:02:26.520 And boy, did I see some crazy things.

00:02:28.600 I saw some hanky things being done by the government with regard to evidence and when it is turned over to the other side.

00:02:36.760 And so joining me right now in an interview we recorded moments ago, and we're doing this sort of on a break from the commission on Wednesday, so I have to be quick with my time and quick with theirs, is one of those journalists, William Diaz.

00:02:51.880 Check it out.

00:02:59.620 So joining me now from our Rebel News satellite studio, the Airbnb just up the road from the Public Order Emergency Commission.

00:03:06.760 This is my friend and colleague, young William Diaz.

00:03:09.700 William Diaz has been in the Trucker Commission, as we're calling it, four weeks now.

00:03:15.260 And this week, things are really popping off because we're getting to the real decision makers.

00:03:22.720 We have seen basically all the senior bureaucrats, city officials, all the police agencies, they've testified, the national security agencies, they've testified.

00:03:32.060 Now we get down to the people who ignored the advice of all of these people and the recommendations of all of these people and the judgment of all of these people, actual experts, which they tell me we're supposed to follow blindly these days.

00:03:44.880 And I'm trying, but the liberals sure didn't.

00:03:47.140 We're down to the people who made the decision to use the Emergencies Act, which is, for those people who don't know, a never before used wartime lots, the replacement for the War Measures Act.

00:04:01.520 And the reason the War Measures Act was replaced with the Emergencies Act was to prevent it from being overly broad and to raise the standard by which it was used so that it was very, very, very specific.

00:04:14.460 It had to meet Section 2 of the CSIS Act, which clearly defines what amounts to a threat to the security of Canada.

00:04:24.320 And the Public Order Emergency Commission, the commission we're all sitting through right now, is the fail-safe built into the law.

00:04:32.360 So not only did the law have to meet a certain standard, but the people who invoked the law had to be subject to public scrutiny for all of their decisions all along the way.

00:04:42.280 William, thank you for sitting through that enormous preamble from me.

00:04:46.820 Let's talk about what's happening today.

00:04:48.620 We're filming this today.

00:04:49.420 It's going to go out today.

00:04:50.600 Right now we're watching David Lamedi.

00:04:52.500 He's the government's lawyer.

00:04:54.480 He's the Attorney General of this country, and he is the Justice Minister of this country.

00:04:59.640 And he is now claiming, after, I guess, three plus decades of everybody knowing exactly what the Emergencies Act entailed and the standard by which you needed to meet to invoke it,

00:05:12.500 he's saying, well, you know what, it's a little more broad than that.

00:05:16.020 And that's why we did it anyway.

00:05:18.700 It's like they're changing the rules after the fact to fit the thing that they wanted to do.

00:05:24.820 Yeah, it's surprising.

00:05:26.180 That's the Liberal Party of Canada.

00:05:28.140 No, you're right.

00:05:28.980 The War Measures Act was changed to make the definition less broad in the Emergencies Act.

00:05:36.160 But we're still seeing ministers trying to seemingly broaden the definition of what constitutes a threat to national security.

00:05:43.500 They say, well, it's Section 2C, which it is.

00:05:46.520 It's Section 2C of the CISIS Act.

00:05:49.420 That's what they said at the beginning.

00:05:51.040 And then we hear ministers, we hear high-level liberal officials say that, well, it's subject to interpretation.

00:05:57.880 It's a lot broader than that.

00:05:59.040 It's not as simple as this.

00:06:01.420 We can't look at it that way.

00:06:02.700 No, you're definitely right that they seemingly are trying to broaden the definition to fit their narrative.

00:06:09.040 And plus, another thing too today from Minister of Justice Lamedi, he's also the Attorney General of Canada.

00:06:15.160 And we could often see him trying to evade some questions this morning, claiming lawyer-client privilege, solicitor-client privilege.

00:06:25.980 He said this was cabinet privilege information.

00:06:28.660 This was solicitor-client information.

00:06:31.500 He tried to evade basically all the questions that were asked by Firm Convoy Lawyer Brendan Miller.

00:06:36.980 The lawyer for the government of Canada kept objecting at almost every question.

00:06:41.900 It was very disappointing to see that from David Lamedi.

00:06:44.420 Yeah, and we should remember that CISIS testified on Monday.

00:06:48.540 I was in the room when they did.

00:06:50.460 And CISIS repeatedly testified that the convoy at no point, at absolutely no point,

00:06:56.560 did this anti-mandate human rights demonstration, which remained peaceful in the streets of Ottawa for nearly four weeks.

00:07:04.220 They didn't even break a window.

00:07:05.920 Tell me how those people are a threat to national security.

00:07:08.200 And when they were met with violence at the hands of the state, they never retaliated with violence.

00:07:12.680 And at every point along the way, the police were outnumbered.

00:07:15.660 So if those useful people in Ottawa with real skills wanted to walk all over the police and overtake them,

00:07:25.460 at every point they could have.

00:07:27.560 They never did.

00:07:28.300 But we heard CISIS say at no point did it rise to the level of Section 2 of the CISIS Act and Section 2D,

00:07:38.900 which is the like threats to overthrow the government.

00:07:41.800 They didn't even bother investigating that because the idea of that coming from the convoy was just so outlandish.

00:07:48.180 That's like an Internet meme from the left now.

00:07:51.900 But CISIS didn't even seriously investigate or consider that because it just wasn't a thing.

00:07:57.260 But the reason I'm bringing up CISIS is because now we have David Lamedi.

00:08:02.800 CISIS said it didn't rise to Section 2 of the CISIS Act.

00:08:07.640 But then CISIS met with the Prime Minister, the head of CISIS, David Vigneault,

00:08:12.480 met with the Prime Minister on February 13th.

00:08:17.060 In between the 10th and the 13th, when he said,

00:08:19.740 yep, no threats, no plots, no nothing, don't worry about it, it's just annoying,

00:08:23.220 to in that span of three days, he said he sought outside legal advice from the Justice Ministry.

00:08:32.660 So tell me how outside it is when you're still consulting with the government that wants to invoke the Emergencies Act

00:08:38.300 and they're saying, yeah, no, definitely, it's met the standard under the law,

00:08:43.220 you can advise the Prime Minister to invoke it.

00:08:46.160 So what happened was, CISIS said it doesn't meet the standard under the law,

00:08:51.900 then CISIS meets with the Justice Minister, or Ministry, I'm sorry,

00:08:55.820 considering that outside advice, but it's pretty inside the government, isn't it?

00:08:59.780 And they say, oh no, we're using this overbroad definition,

00:09:03.640 and so it does meet this overbroad definition.

00:09:06.680 So CISIS goes to the Prime Minister and says, okay, fine, I guess it does.

00:09:10.660 And then they invoke the Emergencies Act.

00:09:13.900 It was very surprising to see how CISIS was opposed to the invocation of the DEA,

00:09:17.720 how CISIS said that invoking the DEA risks and flaming protesters risks,

00:09:23.020 making the situation worse.

00:09:25.720 But then the day that they spoke to the Prime Minister,

00:09:28.800 they coincidentally changed their whole position saying that,

00:09:32.320 well, it was fine after all to invoke the Emergencies Act,

00:09:34.040 it would actually be necessary to invoke it.

00:09:36.580 The day that they invoked the Emergencies Act,

00:09:38.480 which goes against everything they said prior to that.

00:09:41.760 Another thing you mentioned before you continued speaking earlier

00:09:44.000 was the investigation, the fact that CISIS did not investigate

00:09:47.020 Section 2D of the CISIS Act.

00:09:50.500 They did not investigate.

00:09:51.620 Also, at our section, I'm not remembering exactly which ones

00:09:54.560 it is that they did not investigate.

00:09:57.400 And I know on Twitter, when I wrote,

00:10:00.740 while CISIS said that the threshold for Section 2D was met,

00:10:06.060 I was told, well, they did not investigate it.

00:10:08.480 But for CISIS to be allowed to investigate,

00:10:11.540 there needs to be reasonable suspicion that the threshold is met.

00:10:16.420 So the reason why they did not investigate,

00:10:18.940 the fact that they did not investigate implies and means

00:10:22.680 that there was no reasonable suspicion that the threshold was met.

00:10:28.000 Hence, the threshold was not met.

00:10:30.140 There are some links that you need to do with that.

00:10:32.320 Now, there's another thing that came out in David Lamedi's testimony today.

00:10:38.900 As early as January 30th in text messages,

00:10:43.660 January 30th, the convoy's been on the ground for, I don't know,

00:10:47.380 36 hours maybe, maybe 24 at that point,

00:10:51.560 a little over 24, maybe just let's just say a day and a half.

00:10:53.940 Let's round up for David Lamedi's sake.

00:10:56.780 On the 30th, they're saying, he is saying, should we invoke the EA?

00:11:03.320 And also, should we be treating these people differently based on race?

00:11:07.360 I'll just scroll back while you're giving your thoughts there about what exactly was said.

00:11:13.780 But I actually was kind of shocked to see it in writing.

00:11:16.560 I thought he would be smart enough to put this in a phone call with his cronies

00:11:20.780 and not send it back and forth in a text message

00:11:22.980 that would then be subject to evidentiary rules in this commission.

00:11:27.560 So which one exactly?

00:11:28.800 Because there's a lot of shocking text messages he spoke of

00:11:31.560 that we saw this.

00:11:34.920 So are you talking about the one where he says that

00:11:36.840 the processors could have been treated differently

00:11:39.040 if they were Black or Indigenous or is it something else?

00:11:41.160 Right. No, this is a Lamedi text from January 30th.

00:11:44.460 I said it's something else.

00:11:45.860 And boy, was it ever.

00:11:46.960 He wanted to use the Emergencies Act as early as 1.5 days into the convoy.

00:11:50.400 And he was indicating he would treat the protest differently based on race.

00:11:53.920 So what he said was, do we have contingency for these trucks

00:11:56.760 to be removed tomorrow or Tuesday?

00:11:59.940 And then he puts in brackets, 0.94

00:12:01.700 if they were Black or Indigenous, dot, dot, dot. 1.00

00:12:05.720 Meaning, should we consider treating them differently 0.95

00:12:08.460 because they aren't Black or Indigenous?

00:12:11.160 As opposed to our approach to Indigenous-led,

00:12:15.780 however, I wouldn't say it's Indigenous protests,

00:12:18.520 blocking rail lines or sabotaging pipelines.

00:12:22.780 Or I don't know, maybe we need a minister to come out

00:12:25.740 and take a knee with them,

00:12:27.180 the way Justin Trudeau did with the BLM marches.

00:12:31.720 So this is what he's saying.

00:12:33.040 He says, what's the normative authority do we have?

00:12:35.700 Or is some order needed?

00:12:37.760 Question mark, EA.

00:12:39.840 Question mark.

00:12:40.560 So that's January 30th.

00:12:42.460 Like the sun had set on one day of convoy protests

00:12:45.500 and he's like, drop the hammer.

00:12:47.920 War measures these people.

00:12:50.000 Yeah.

00:12:50.500 No, it was very,

00:12:51.320 well, it was very surprising to hear that.

00:12:53.380 It was very funny when I was sitting in the room

00:12:54.900 and I read that.

00:12:56.080 So he clarified afterwards what he meant by that.

00:12:58.980 He meant that he understands that there is issue,

00:13:03.500 that there are issues of so-called systemic racism

00:13:05.900 in the police forces and in the justice system.

00:13:09.480 And that had it been a Black or Indigenous protest,

00:13:12.640 he was wondering if those people would have been treated

00:13:15.520 more harshly and differently than the people at the convoy.

00:13:19.800 But we know they weren't. 1.00

00:13:20.240 That's a stupid thing. 1.00

00:13:21.420 We know they weren't. 1.00

00:13:22.200 And I recall the police beating down.

00:13:24.780 I recall RCMP horses trampling two Indigenous protesters.

00:13:29.680 I recall the police arresting a Métis grandmother

00:13:32.820 from Alberta for peacefully protesting.

00:13:36.020 So I don't think that these text messages

00:13:37.580 make that much sense.

00:13:39.280 I think it's pretty funny, honestly.

00:13:40.480 When you think that those are the people in our government,

00:13:42.460 I think it's pretty funny.

00:13:44.220 Yeah.

00:13:45.000 He's literally suggesting,

00:13:47.100 maybe we should look at this through a race lens

00:13:49.840 instead of applying the rule of the law equally.

00:13:54.100 He also said at one point,

00:13:55.180 he called them protesters and he immediately corrected himself.

00:13:59.040 And he said,

00:13:59.500 I don't want to call them protesters because this was unlawful.

00:14:03.040 And as we heard,

00:14:03.920 it was never declared unlawful.

00:14:06.100 The Riot Act was never invoked.

00:14:08.140 None of that happened.

00:14:09.180 And he should know better because he's the justice minister.

00:14:11.660 And we can read ahead.

00:14:14.080 On February 4th,

00:14:15.340 he's got text messages again.

00:14:17.600 So this is,

00:14:18.380 I don't know,

00:14:18.660 approximately four days later,

00:14:20.180 five days later,

00:14:21.040 still pushing the Emergencies Act.

00:14:23.620 And I said,

00:14:24.140 is it any wonder that his department then advised CSIS

00:14:26.200 that the standard to invoke the EA was not CSIS Section 2,

00:14:29.880 which CSIS said it never met.

00:14:31.960 So on February 4th,

00:14:34.040 he says,

00:14:34.780 I believe the angle is incoming the Emergencies Act.

00:14:39.040 So from the very beginning days,

00:14:42.460 that was always going to be the outcome.

00:14:45.320 They just needed to wait long enough to do it.

00:14:48.020 So they could,

00:14:48.760 you know,

00:14:49.500 at least have the cover of time saying,

00:14:51.700 oh,

00:14:51.840 these things were so dangerous.

00:14:53.120 They were never going to resolve.

00:14:54.700 And so what were we supposed to do after three plus three weeks almost?

00:15:00.340 Yeah.

00:15:00.780 Well,

00:15:00.920 you know,

00:15:01.140 we hear different witnesses say their accounts of when they think that the

00:15:05.840 Emergencies Act was first discussed.

00:15:07.240 Some people said that it was the day prior to the invocations.

00:15:10.600 And people said it was the day of the invocation.

00:15:12.360 People say it was a week before.

00:15:13.940 And they all swore under oath that they would tell the truth.

00:15:17.140 So I'm inclined to think that it's just incompetence or ignorance that they

00:15:19.620 don't know exactly when it was actually discussed firmly for the first

00:15:25.360 time,

00:15:25.800 because otherwise they would be,

00:15:26.880 they would be lying under oath.

00:15:28.360 But I find it very funny to see that,

00:15:29.900 you know,

00:15:30.180 David Lemaitre here said that it was one of the first options he thought of.

00:15:35.160 Marco Mendicino in a press conference said that the Emergencies Act was

00:15:38.120 something that he thought about invoking since day one.

00:15:42.180 I think Bill Blair said that Bill Blair told Global News from day one.

00:15:46.660 It was Bill Blair,

00:15:47.920 then it wasn't Marco Mendicino.

00:15:49.520 And other witnesses said that it was later on.

00:15:52.360 There's a lot of inconsistency within,

00:15:54.200 within this whole inquiry.

00:15:56.880 Yeah.

00:15:57.100 There's a lot of them.

00:15:58.120 Something particularly stomach churning about watching these snakes.

00:16:02.640 And I I've tweeted the word snakes so many times.

00:16:05.380 I'm just using the emoji at this point,

00:16:07.060 watching these snakes put their hand on a Bible and swear.

00:16:10.620 And then lie, 0.82

00:16:12.400 just litter lie through their teeth.

00:16:15.000 But I think this is the worst one.

00:16:16.940 And this was a two snake tweet from me,

00:16:19.140 public safety minister.

00:16:23.260 And,

00:16:23.940 and so Marco Mendicino and David Lemaitre,

00:16:28.520 the justice minister,

00:16:30.620 they're talking about deploying tanks.

00:16:33.600 To the streets of Ottawa on February 2nd.

00:16:38.240 So what are we four days,

00:16:39.540 four and a half days into the protest at this point,

00:16:41.840 they were going to deploy tanks as early as February 2nd.

00:16:45.900 So the text messages read,

00:16:47.500 you need to get the police to move.

00:16:50.400 What do you mean?

00:16:51.180 I thought the government,

00:16:52.300 federal government couldn't direct police.

00:16:54.320 Like the police act at arm's length.

00:16:56.420 So what does this mean?

00:16:57.880 Guys.

00:16:58.840 Anyways,

00:16:59.240 keep going.

00:17:00.400 And if the CAF,

00:17:01.940 that's the Canadian armed forces,

00:17:03.140 if necessary,

00:17:04.540 too many people are being seriously adversely impacted by what is an

00:17:08.140 occupation.

00:17:09.280 I'm getting out as soon as I can.

00:17:12.080 People are looking to us, 1.00

00:17:13.760 you for leadership and not stupid people, 1.00

00:17:17.140 people like Carney, 1.00

00:17:18.480 Cath,

00:17:19.280 my team,

00:17:20.420 dot,

00:17:20.660 dot,

00:17:20.860 dot. 1.00

00:17:21.040 So I wonder if he means Mark Carney stupid. 1.00

00:17:22.940 Is that Catherine McKenna, 1.00

00:17:24.780 the former environment minister who used to be in Ottawa. 1.00

00:17:28.500 And is he calling her stupid? 1.00

00:17:29.820 Is he calling his team stupid? 1.00

00:17:31.180 No, 1.00

00:17:31.220 but it's all,

00:17:32.240 it's okay.

00:17:32.840 I might agree with him for once.

00:17:34.520 Yeah.

00:17:34.660 It took me a few minutes to understand because the way he formulated his text message is very

00:17:38.360 interesting. 0.99

00:17:38.860 So he says not stupid people. 1.00

00:17:41.240 And then he says like Carney, 1.00

00:17:42.600 I think in his head,

00:17:44.120 it just didn't work out.

00:17:45.800 I don't know. 1.00

00:17:46.900 If he was stupid. 1.00

00:17:47.980 I don't know. 1.00

00:17:48.480 I wonder if he's calling them stupid. 1.00

00:17:49.800 If not, 1.00

00:17:50.100 I find myself agreeing with this horrible man for once,

00:17:53.060 but they go on to say,

00:17:55.300 how many tanks are you asking for?

00:17:59.080 And that's Mendicino saying that.

00:18:00.700 I think I just want to ask Anita,

00:18:02.440 that's Anita Anand,

00:18:03.500 the defense minister,

00:18:04.880 how many we've got on hand.

00:18:07.000 And then he says,

00:18:08.780 I reckon one will do.

00:18:10.920 So I've got lots of comments about this.

00:18:14.060 First of all,

00:18:15.720 we know subsequently,

00:18:16.780 and this is again,

00:18:17.480 I say on February 2nd,

00:18:18.880 but subsequently,

00:18:19.440 we know just eight days later,

00:18:21.480 Alberta is asking for heavy haul equipment from the Canadian Armed Forces base,

00:18:27.100 just up the road in CFB Edmonton.

00:18:28.800 And it's literally like you leave Edmonton's downtown and you get on the same road,

00:18:33.100 97th street,

00:18:33.820 and you just drive into the base.

00:18:36.080 And so they do have heavy haul equipment.

00:18:37.620 They have earth movers and stuff there that would help.

00:18:40.940 They have got trailers because they trailer equipment in all the time.

00:18:44.080 Right.

00:18:45.280 And I'm pretty sure that somebody went down there and put eyes upon the,

00:18:48.500 the equipment that they needed,

00:18:50.120 but they hear from Bill Blair and Mendicino that not only is this.

00:18:56.660 And so Mendicino and Bill Blair tell the Alberta government,

00:18:59.940 this equipment isn't there.

00:19:01.140 It doesn't exist.

00:19:01.840 It's not available,

00:19:03.120 which isn't true.

00:19:05.540 And then they also in text messages that are not to Jason Kenny saying,

00:19:10.560 we've got to deny this request for optics.

00:19:13.020 Now it sounds as though those optics are not that they are fearful of deploying the

00:19:18.080 CAF.

00:19:18.740 Obviously that's not the case because they were going to use tanks in the nation's

00:19:22.520 capital against peaceful anti-regime protesters doing the full Tiananmen,

00:19:26.440 square routine there,

00:19:27.840 but they,

00:19:31.800 the optics weren't deploying the military against peaceful protesters that they

00:19:36.320 had a problem with.

00:19:36.980 The optics were,

00:19:38.040 we don't want to look like we're helping Alberta.

00:19:40.380 I think that's what was it.

00:19:42.220 And Jason Kenny wisely,

00:19:43.780 and I'm not wanting to give the man all that many compliments wisely.

00:19:46.640 He knew the help wasn't coming and he went and got some good deals on some

00:19:49.520 used heavy haul equipment on Kijiji and auto trader.

00:19:52.820 And ultimately it never even had to be used except for on three pieces of

00:19:57.040 equipment because the convoy quickly dissipated the blockade at Coutts.

00:20:02.500 But yeah,

00:20:03.980 so they couldn't send equipment to Alberta,

00:20:07.600 which we know is here in Alberta,

00:20:09.420 but they were going to use tanks in the nation's capital because of

00:20:13.340 inconvenience and traffic snarls.

00:20:15.200 This is outrageous.

00:20:16.120 But just,

00:20:17.380 just one,

00:20:18.300 he said,

00:20:18.820 I reckon one will,

00:20:20.280 one will do the job.

00:20:21.800 Uh,

00:20:22.000 maybe I find that his excuse when it comes to why he writes certain things in

00:20:26.840 text messages,

00:20:27.580 that it's just banter.

00:20:28.880 Oh,

00:20:29.560 it's just a bunch of jokes that I'm saying to the minister is just a bunch of

00:20:32.900 things.

00:20:33.560 That's what he repeated this multiple times.

00:20:36.200 Multiple times.

00:20:36.960 It's banter.

00:20:37.620 It's just jokes that were,

00:20:38.760 that we're saying when he calls Peter slowly incompetent,

00:20:41.340 it's all just jokes that I'm saying,

00:20:43.600 but that's minister.

00:20:45.520 Shouldn't he be a little bit more professional,

00:20:47.220 especially when it comes to giving advice and almost orders like this to

00:20:51.600 public safety minister,

00:20:52.760 Marco Mendicino,

00:20:53.740 Mendicino.

00:20:55.240 Yeah.

00:20:55.780 I don't,

00:20:56.340 I don't even know.

00:20:57.460 Like how does he get away with that excuse?

00:21:01.620 Even if it's a,

00:21:02.420 if it is jokes and I'm not sure it is actually,

00:21:04.260 I'm quite definitely sure it's not.

00:21:06.800 Um,

00:21:07.260 but even if it were,

00:21:08.740 do you think a conservative will get the,

00:21:11.600 um,

00:21:12.580 ability to use,

00:21:13.740 Oh,

00:21:13.860 just joshing.

00:21:14.720 Yeah.

00:21:15.180 As a joke.

00:21:15.940 If this were their text messages in front of the commission,

00:21:19.740 absolutely not.

00:21:21.320 Um,

00:21:22.420 but I don't want government ministers who are involved in the

00:21:27.460 invoking a counter-terrorism law to think it's funny to joke about

00:21:32.260 flattening peaceful protesters,

00:21:35.240 women, 1.00

00:21:36.560 children in the nation's capital.

00:21:39.700 Like,

00:21:40.380 I just think that that's crazy,

00:21:42.800 that like,

00:21:43.760 it's crazy if that was a joke.

00:21:46.060 And I'm not sure it was because they invoked a wartime law.

00:21:50.380 So it's not as though going like full counter-terrorism wartime law,

00:21:55.740 deploying the military was off the table at any point.

00:21:59.760 It was their first reflex.

00:22:02.020 So why wouldn't this be a true reflex too?

00:22:05.620 Yeah.

00:22:05.920 No,

00:22:06.160 I don't think it was just jokes at all.

00:22:07.660 I agree with you on that.

00:22:08.500 And I think it's very unprofessional for someone that status,

00:22:11.960 send text messages like that saying that he didn't think that it was,

00:22:15.360 this would be released to the public.

00:22:16.980 And now we're seeing the way that he actually acts,

00:22:19.260 um,

00:22:20.980 intimately with others.

00:22:22.760 I also see that,

00:22:24.280 um,

00:22:24.920 some of these lawyers now who I think are kind of on other sides of the

00:22:28.980 table are starting to work together or they're ceding time to each other.

00:22:34.340 For example,

00:22:34.980 I saw that the city of Ottawa ceded their time to the Canadian constitution

00:22:40.820 foundation.

00:22:41.320 That was very surprising.

00:22:42.920 I know,

00:22:43.140 I know the city of Windsor,

00:22:44.300 uh,

00:22:44.640 have a habit of ceding some of their time to the Windsor police services or the

00:22:49.220 GCCF to CCL or CCF.

00:22:52.160 Yeah.

00:22:52.640 But for the city of Ottawa to see time to the CCL,

00:22:56.900 that was very surprising to see.

00:22:58.720 Yeah.

00:22:59.160 Yeah.

00:22:59.340 That was crazy.

00:23:00.140 I also,

00:23:00.760 um,

00:23:01.460 saw that Brendan Miller convoy lawyer,

00:23:05.340 he tried to do a little sneaky business again today.

00:23:08.840 Um,

00:23:09.360 and if he always does,

00:23:10.320 he always does all the time.

00:23:12.840 Um,

00:23:13.800 he,

00:23:14.720 one of the things that has been an ongoing problem and we were sitting behind

00:23:19.220 the lawyer.

00:23:19.680 So we see it happen in real time.

00:23:21.560 They're getting these,

00:23:22.640 document dumps and the document dumps have two problems with them.

00:23:27.300 The first problem is that you're getting a document dump in the middle of a

00:23:32.620 witness's testimony.

00:23:35.000 And the documents are relating to the witness.

00:23:38.020 So how do you question a witness on testimony or facts or evidence that you just got minutes ago,

00:23:45.600 or,

00:23:46.380 you know,

00:23:47.180 if the government's being gracious hours ago,

00:23:49.760 um,

00:23:51.040 and the government has had nine months to prepare the documents and entire departments of bureaucrats inside of each ministry dedicated to records release and control.

00:24:03.020 So that's the first problem here.

00:24:05.160 So they're playing fast and loose and they're rigging the game by doing sneaky things with the, uh, evidence.

00:24:13.000 But another problem is going on here.

00:24:15.000 And this is something I see from time to time during, um, filing for a tips.

00:24:22.260 A tips.

00:24:22.800 Yeah.

00:24:23.780 That where they redact things that they have no business redacting.

00:24:26.840 So you can redact things for cabinet confidence for like communications with cabinet solicitor client privilege.

00:24:35.400 Those are the two main ones.

00:24:36.660 Yeah.

00:24:37.020 Those are the two main ones or outside personal information,

00:24:40.500 people unrelated to the filing or very surprisingly irrelevant.

00:24:44.440 Sometimes they're going to write irrelevant as a reason of redaction.

00:24:47.460 I find it very surprising to read.

00:24:48.720 That's not one I normally see,

00:24:50.100 but normally it's like a third party unrelated to the filing refuses to release their email or whatever.

00:24:56.120 Who cares?

00:24:57.440 Whatever.

00:24:58.240 But I have the benefit of refiling when I know they're doing sneaky things and I can appeal.

00:25:03.020 Now my appeal may take nine months, but about 50% of the time I get the documents I'm asking for.

00:25:08.640 They just waste my time and my money.

00:25:10.520 The problem is we're in the last week of testimony.

00:25:13.440 We are literally three days before this is over two and a half days before this is over.

00:25:18.860 And the government is still redacting things they're not supposed to.

00:25:22.680 And the judge doesn't seem to care.

00:25:24.440 However, this is now a problem that's not just affecting convoy lawyers.

00:25:30.200 Tuesday in the commission, we heard that the OPP had complained about this.

00:25:34.320 First thing they got up and said was,

00:25:35.720 we just got these documents hours ago to excuse us as we try to ask a question, any question.

00:25:41.220 And the lawyer for the protesters at Windsor, same thing.

00:25:44.280 I just got a big document dump and I'm doing the best.

00:25:46.920 Paul Champs too complained about it.

00:25:48.060 Paul Champs as well.

00:25:48.720 Paul Champs, the lawyer for the Ottawa busybodies.

00:25:52.060 The government is screwing everybody around here.

00:25:55.220 And they're rigging the system.

00:25:57.920 They're playing with the evidence to rig the system while claiming, look at us.

00:26:02.300 We're so transparent.

00:26:03.660 We're giving you so many documents.

00:26:05.420 We're giving you so much transparency.

00:26:07.160 No, definitely.

00:26:09.980 The government is frustrating everyone.

00:26:12.200 This whole process seemed to change a lot as ministers were starting to testify at the commission.

00:26:20.580 Commissioner Rule doesn't seem at all to have the same attitude right now that he had as the commission started.

00:26:26.440 It's very disappointing to see.

00:26:27.680 Now, you mentioned something before we went on air because we had some controversy this week that I was there for.

00:26:35.860 I think I maybe picked two of the more exciting days to be there.

00:26:40.000 Brendan Miller, convoy lawyer, he was tossed out yesterday from the commission by Justice Rouleau

00:26:45.560 because he was demanding, desperate, frankly, for a ruling on two issues.

00:26:53.160 They wanted to subpoena four witnesses and they wanted a ruling on the redactions and this constant dumping of documents.

00:27:04.360 And he said, like, please, like, we need a ruling here.

00:27:10.840 And instead of issuing a ruling, which Justice Rouleau did later on after lunch and again today,

00:27:17.160 instead of saying, you know what, hold your horses, there's a ruling coming after lunch.

00:27:20.480 He didn't do that.

00:27:21.180 He frustrated the lawyer.

00:27:23.520 The lawyer frustrated him and it sort of ended in over-talking and the lawyer was tossed out by Rouleau.

00:27:31.520 But it's your understanding.

00:27:33.240 And look, neither one of us are lawyers, but we know a few of them that Justice Rouleau doesn't really have that authority

00:27:40.700 because he's more overseeing the commission and the rules of the commission.

00:27:46.420 And he's not acting as a justice.

00:27:48.460 The commission is reconvened.

00:27:49.660 The commission is reconvened, la commission apprend.

00:27:51.800 Sir.

00:27:52.780 Okay.

00:27:53.540 The commission council has not completed her presentation.

00:27:57.460 I understand, but sir, and your council has advised you that.

00:28:00.520 No, I know you've directed.

00:28:02.000 I'm sorry.

00:28:02.120 You wanted the application.

00:28:03.120 I'm speaking.

00:28:04.120 Yes, sir.

00:28:04.500 The application, if you want to do it, you've been advised it's to be done in writing, not in the middle of the presentation.

00:28:12.900 Sir, we filed two motions in writing at your direction that you've refused to rule on with respect to the redaction of documents from the government of Canada.

00:28:20.780 You're speaking.

00:28:21.580 I will take a break while you're asked to leave.

00:28:28.780 I will return in five minutes if security could deal with the council.

00:28:34.160 Yeah, from my understanding, the commissioner, Commissioner Rulo, he's a judge.

00:28:37.800 So when he acts as a judge, he does have consent power.

00:28:41.180 But when he acts as a commissioner, he does not have consent power, which is the reason why he doesn't have the power to kick someone out of the court, which is the reason why it's up to security to decide whether or not someone is or isn't going to be allowed inside the building, the commission building.

00:28:58.040 So that's why it was up to security to talk with the lawyers.

00:29:00.800 And that's why Keith Wilson and Bathsheba and Eva Chipyuk were speaking with the security guards instead of speaking with the commissioners once Brendan Miller was temporarily removed of the building, because they are the ones that have ultimate power over whether or not someone is allowed in the building.

00:29:19.540 So that was one thing.

00:29:20.420 But yeah, you're right.

00:29:21.440 Brendan Miller was temporarily removed because he spoke at the same time as Commissioner Rulo.

00:29:27.000 He spoke while Commissioner Rulo was speaking.

00:29:29.840 And then Commissioner Rulo took a five-minute break, and then everything was sorted out.

00:29:33.800 But Miller was pushing for unredactions of some, as he calls, unlawfully redacted documents so that he can analyze it further.

00:29:44.480 And he was calling for Alex Cohen, a communications director for Marco Mendocino, to testify in front of the commission.

00:29:52.220 And he was calling for Brian Fox, who is the person he says was carrying the Nazi flag at the convoy, to also testify.

00:30:00.660 Yeah, and what's interesting about the Alex Cohen thing is that Alex Cohen was literally sitting in the courtroom.

00:30:07.600 And Alex Cohen is implicated in earlier emails or text messages before the commission, plotting with Mary Liz Power of the prime minister's office to release disinformation about radicals within the convoy in advance of the convoy arriving to Ottawa.

00:30:24.860 And Miller wanted him to be able to subpoena the guy that was like 15 feet away from him in the courtroom.

00:30:32.020 What luck.

00:30:33.340 But Rulo did not allow that.

00:30:35.960 He made the ruling that he would not allow that.

00:30:38.800 Now, the reason I brought that up is because Miller today tried to do an end run around that ruling.

00:30:45.620 And he asked David Lamedi, like, hey, look, your office is redacting all these emails.

00:30:51.780 Wouldn't it be neat if you just said, no, just in the interest of transparency, let's just unredact them.

00:30:58.840 And naturally, Rulo cut him off and said, look, I ruled on this already.

00:31:02.360 And Lamedi, of course, claimed solicitor-client privilege as his force field against any sort of scrutiny.

00:31:08.280 Now, we've got more.

00:31:12.720 This is the craziest week.

00:31:14.300 God help you kids that are working there in Ottawa, because you're going to be chasing some really high profile people.

00:31:20.080 Omar Al-Jabra.

00:31:21.480 Oh, Omar Al-Jabra.

00:31:22.880 I cannot wait to see him, Sheila.

00:31:25.480 That would be great.

00:31:26.620 I bet he got new running shoes just for this.

00:31:30.540 So we've got Al-Jabra. 0.98

00:31:31.760 Who else is left ahead?

00:31:33.580 Anita Anand, who is the defense minister, transport minister, Omar.

00:31:36.900 Omar Al-Jabra.

00:31:39.480 You've got David Lamedi, who's finishing his testimony today as we're recording this episode of the gun show.

00:31:47.020 Justin Trudeau, who's going to be the last one testifying.

00:31:49.320 Krisha Furend as well.

00:31:50.960 Bill Blair already testified.

00:31:52.460 Mark Holman, that you know, already testified too.

00:31:55.880 I think that's pretty much it.

00:31:57.660 I feel like I'm missing someone, but I don't think so.

00:32:00.680 If we are, friends, stay tuned to truckercommission.com.

00:32:03.820 You'll see all of our coverage there and my live tweets.

00:32:06.320 And then the daily breakdown live stream where the lead journalist, which is me today.

00:32:12.920 Who's left?

00:32:13.220 In terms of the people that are known, those are all the ones that already went through or that are going to appear at the commission.

00:32:20.120 But we're also going to hear from people from the PMO.

00:32:24.720 So Katie Telford, Brian Clow, and John Rodhead.

00:32:28.880 So people from Justin Trudeau's office.

00:32:30.920 And I can tell you that this is going to be very interesting when they're being cross-examined by Freedom Corp lawyers.

00:32:36.540 Oh, I can't wait to see Brendan Miller cross-examine Katie Telford.

00:32:40.980 I'm shocked that Mary Liz Power is actually not on that list, given her implication in those text messages with that foppish weasel-looking kid.

00:32:52.520 And he, what was his name?

00:32:56.960 Alex.

00:32:57.700 Alex Cohen.

00:32:58.940 Alex Cohen.

00:33:00.240 Yeah.

00:33:00.600 Giggling his way through testimony, by the way.

00:33:02.300 His boss is testifying to the absolute abhorrent behavior of the federal government on peaceful anti-regime protesters in the nation's capital.

00:33:12.140 And these three barely adult, I called them weaponized nerds yesterday, just sitting there giggling, tee-hee-ing through.

00:33:21.740 They couldn't take a moment of it seriously.

00:33:23.940 And I thought, you know what?

00:33:25.200 If I'm here laughing at the outlandish answers of your boss because they're so unbelievable, that's one thing.

00:33:32.460 But taxpayers are paying you to take this seriously.

00:33:36.400 Take it seriously.

00:33:38.340 Yeah.

00:33:39.920 William, I know you've got to get back.

00:33:41.340 The commission is back on in five minutes for both of us.

00:33:44.520 And I don't know how I'm going to wrap up this show in five minutes and package it and get it over to the editors.

00:33:49.520 But I'm going to do my darndest.

00:33:51.120 William, thank you so much for all your hard work.

00:33:52.860 Say hi to the rest of the team.

00:33:54.380 And I'll see you later on tonight on the live stream.

00:33:57.160 Perfect.

00:33:57.420 Thank you, Sheila.

00:34:05.320 We've come to the portion of the show where we invite your viewer feedback.

00:34:08.240 You know, unlike the mainstream media who's just so happy to take so much of your money as long as it cycles through the hands of Justin Trudeau first.

00:34:14.700 They just don't want to hear from you and about what you think about the work that they're doing with your money that you would never pay for if you had a choice.

00:34:23.120 It's one of the reasons I give you my email in this portion of the show.

00:34:26.780 It's Sheila at rebelnews.com.

00:34:28.520 Leave me an email on whatever I'm talking about.

00:34:32.980 Just put gun show letters in the subject line.

00:34:35.540 So it's really easy for me to find because I do get sometimes hundreds of emails a day.

00:34:39.740 That's G-U-N-N show letters because I also get emails about gun shows, obviously.

00:34:47.720 And also, don't hesitate to leave a comment on Rumble or even on the censorship platform of YouTube.

00:34:54.600 I go looking over there, too.

00:34:56.040 So today's letter comes to us from Jeff Campbell, who writes to me and says,

00:35:03.300 Hi, Sheila.

00:35:04.000 Question, what kind of new laws are going to be developed from this commission's recommendation?

00:35:09.100 They don't have to develop any new laws.

00:35:10.580 They can find that the government acted illegally and unlawfully in invoking the Emergencies Act on peaceful protesters,

00:35:21.300 which I think is what would be the just and righteous finding based on all the information that I've heard.

00:35:26.860 Or they could find the other way.

00:35:28.900 But there are no consequences for the government if there is a finding against them.

00:35:35.060 Unfortunately, it's not even as little as one of those routine slaps on the wrist and a $300 fine that Justin Trudeau gets for his repeated ethics violations,

00:35:46.020 like taking a very expensive vacation from a multi-billionaire whose foundation receives grants from the Canadian government.

00:35:59.440 I think that was a $300 ethics violation fine.

00:36:02.260 And Bill Morneau, when he was the finance minister, he got also like a teeny tiny slap on the wrist after he forgot to declare a French villa.

00:36:11.460 I guess he has so many, he just loses track of them.

00:36:14.960 But what I do think will happen is that the government will react to the scrutiny that they received here, but not in a good way.

00:36:25.940 I think they will rewrite the law, the Emergencies Act, to make it overbroad and easier to use so that they are not subject to so much scrutiny next time.

00:36:39.640 I think they're going to make the rules even more open to interpretation because they really aren't all that open to interpretation right now.

00:36:47.980 That's what I think. I think they're going to take all the criticisms of the government and then incorporate them into a new, easier to use Emergencies Act if you're a tyrant and a buffoon like Justin Trudeau. 0.95

00:37:01.680 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight. Thank you so much for tuning in. 0.94

00:37:05.160 I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.

00:37:07.960 And as always, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:37:11.940 We'll see you next week.

Rebel News Podcast - November 23, 2022

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Cabinet ministers cover their behinds in the last week of trucker commission testimony

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