Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Canadians don't want to be forced into electric cars

00:00:00.000 Justin Trudeau wants us all to be in electric cars. He never asked us what we think.

00:00:19.400 Somebody did. I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:30.000 Justin Trudeau's government has banned the sale of fossil-fueled vehicles by 2035.

00:00:48.260 Do you want to drive an electric car? I know I don't.

00:00:51.280 I wouldn't mind being able to get to town in the wintertime for groceries,

00:00:54.240 if anybody can afford groceries in the year 2035 or fueling up a vehicle.

00:01:00.000 Well, in 2035, or for that matter, surviving the winter in 2035,

00:01:05.840 if the Liberals remain in charge with their radical green energy policies,

00:01:10.000 which continue to make life too expensive in this country.

00:01:15.060 Now, the Canadian Taxpayers Federation actually asked Canadians what they think

00:01:21.900 about this push to put us all in these green abominations they call vehicles.

00:01:30.580 And guess what? We didn't like them.

00:01:32.460 So joining me now to discuss the findings of the Leger poll commissioned by the Canadian Taxpayers Federation

00:01:39.680 and more, including last night's vice presidential debate,

00:01:44.940 is my friend Chris Sims of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.

00:01:48.600 Take a listen.

00:01:49.060 I wanted to have you on, Chris, because we frequently talk about energy affordability,

00:01:57.440 as Albertans here.

00:01:59.240 And I know you focus a lot on this and how climate policies just make your life so much more expensive.

00:02:05.160 And there are all these sorts of pernicious little ways that these expensive climate policies

00:02:10.800 are foisted upon and unwilling and unable to bear the burden taxpayer.

00:02:17.200 So we talk a lot about the carbon tax, but that's just not the only way.

00:02:21.060 One of the other ways is this push to get us all into these vehicles that don't work in our environment.

00:02:30.960 And I'm talking about electric cars.

00:02:33.320 Now, we know that the federal government has accelerated the push for electric cars.

00:02:38.460 They want us all in them.

00:02:39.460 I think it's like 2035.

00:02:42.140 And they're doing this through expensive subsidies.

00:02:45.140 Thankfully, the uptake on the subsidies is low for the taxpayers.

00:02:50.120 But nobody ever asked us what we want, what we want with these things.

00:02:56.280 So the Canadian Taxpayers Federation actually did that.

00:02:59.840 You asked the Canadian public, the government is going to do this to you.

00:03:04.700 Do you even want these things?

00:03:06.400 Tell us what you found out.

00:03:07.400 Yeah, for sure.

00:03:08.700 So here at the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, we've noticed a pattern.

00:03:12.280 Same thing as you brought up, right?

00:03:14.260 Where it's always twofold.

00:03:15.860 So to give you an example, the Trudeau government isn't just paying off the mainstream media

00:03:21.180 with hundreds of millions of your dollars, plus the $1.4 billion for the CBC.

00:03:25.420 No, no, my friend.

00:03:26.440 They're also trying to monitor and restrict your free expression online.

00:03:31.600 So it's always the vice.

00:03:32.980 It's always two sides.

00:03:34.020 And so with this one, again, here's the two sides.

00:03:37.500 Yeah, they're trying to crush you with the carbon tax to make regular energy unaffordable

00:03:41.880 when you have nowhere else to go, which is a huge financial punishment.

00:03:45.820 But on the other side of the vice, they're banning normal vehicles.

00:03:51.040 So they're going to ban, the Trudeau government is going to ban the sale of new gasoline, diesel,

00:03:59.340 and hybrid vehicles.

00:04:01.780 I will point this out.

00:04:02.920 I did not know that.

00:04:04.460 That's correct.

00:04:04.520 So anybody who bought a hybrid vehicle because they were trying to get around this nonsense

00:04:10.000 while still having a vehicle that might work, they're going to get hit with this too.

00:04:13.600 Yes, so they only want, for some reason, they've decided they only want battery-powered cars

00:04:20.180 in Canada, period.

00:04:22.360 So if you've got gasoline, diesel, or some hybrids, some hybrids are getting in under the

00:04:28.120 ban, some are not.

00:04:29.200 You'd have to go read the regs on it.

00:04:30.820 But the main takeaway is the normal vehicles that millions of us buy and we depend on every

00:04:36.980 single year and choose to go purchase are soon going to be banned in Canada.

00:04:43.620 They'll be illegal.

00:04:44.880 And folks who are watching, if they think 2035 is way far in the future, that is about

00:04:51.880 10 years from now.

00:04:53.820 Yeah, that's been Trudeau term.

00:04:55.540 Thank you.

00:04:56.460 Because I was just about to say, that's about how long Prime Minister Stephen Harper has

00:05:01.020 been gone from office for.

00:05:02.140 So if you remember that day clearly, that's how soon these gasoline and diesel-powered

00:05:08.680 new vehicle sales are going to be outlawed in Canada.

00:05:12.220 Now, this is a problem for many reasons.

00:05:14.380 One, people should be able to purchase the vehicle they want to because, you know, we're

00:05:19.280 grown adults.

00:05:20.660 Two, we don't have the energy for this.

00:05:25.500 We cannot make them go.

00:05:27.960 We don't have enough juice in Canada to make these battery vehicles go vroom, vroom.

00:05:34.500 Three, we can't afford the price tag that this is going to cost to build the new power

00:05:42.640 plants, power lines, infrastructure, and charging stations for this thing.

00:05:47.300 So all that understood.

00:05:49.640 This is what's key here, Sheila.

00:05:51.440 Very few people have realized this yet of just how stark this ban will be.

00:05:58.140 But still, when the Taxpayers Federation, we hired a very reputable polling firm, Leger.

00:06:04.280 Okay?

00:06:04.760 It is a national polling firm.

00:06:06.340 This just wasn't something that we asked on Twitter from our supporters.

00:06:10.180 I didn't do a quick straw poll.

00:06:11.720 No.

00:06:12.360 This is a national polling firm.

00:06:14.260 Leger asked, are you in favor of this vehicle ban?

00:06:17.580 Are you in favor of the electric vehicle forced mandate?

00:06:21.280 When you remove the undecideds, so those who actually have made up their minds, more than

00:06:26.260 60% of Canadians are saying no.

00:06:30.240 And I would argue that's with very little information.

00:06:33.760 Like, mainstream media isn't covering this super hot and heavy.

00:06:36.460 You're not hearing this in the House of Commons very much.

00:06:38.580 You have to be a super into it political nerd to know this is coming down the pipe.

00:06:42.940 Or you have to be in the vehicle industry.

00:06:45.280 Try to be a car salesperson, right?

00:06:47.600 So even with all that understood, if you take away the undecideds, for those who've

00:06:51.360 made up their mind, yeah, more than 60% of Canadians are saying, um, no, we don't want

00:06:56.640 you to ban these vehicles.

00:06:58.160 Right.

00:06:58.680 And for those people out there who say, well, I don't have a car, I, you know, pulling an

00:07:03.460 old Krista Freeland, I don't drive, surely. 0.94

00:07:06.920 You have a chauffeur.

00:07:08.140 Somebody drives.

00:07:09.980 But even if you say, like, I don't drive, I take public transit, I live next door to my

00:07:14.560 work and my school and my grocery store.

00:07:16.240 I'm in my 15 minute city, if you will.

00:07:18.880 Even if, even if all that is true, what do you think the increased demand for electricity

00:07:24.740 when we haven't ramped up the grid is going to do to the cost of running your fridge and

00:07:29.940 turning a light on?

00:07:31.040 Exactly.

00:07:31.360 This has a knock-on effect all the way through the economy, and it will make everything that

00:07:39.420 relies on electricity more expensive, including food.

00:07:44.060 Yeah.

00:07:44.740 So anybody notice that when Prime Minister Justin Trudeau cranks up the carbon tax, everything

00:07:50.380 gets more expensive?

00:07:51.820 Weird.

00:07:52.680 Yeah.

00:07:53.100 That's because when you increase the cost of energy, however you do it, in this case, the

00:07:58.320 government's doing it through taxation, when you increase the cost of baseline energy,

00:08:04.000 you make almost everything more expensive because it takes energy to make stuff.

00:08:10.480 It takes energy to grow stuff, to truck stuff, and to get yourself to the grocery store to

00:08:15.940 buy it.

00:08:16.340 Even the stores themselves, of course, need energy.

00:08:19.880 They have the lights on.

00:08:20.940 It's not coming from unicorn dust.

00:08:23.060 Quite often here in Alberta, it's coming from natural gas.

00:08:26.240 You carbon tax natural gas up the wazoo, guess what?

00:08:30.020 You're going to have higher costs of everything.

00:08:32.480 Same goes for diesel.

00:08:33.820 Same goes for gasoline.

00:08:35.540 And now if you're looking at this electric vehicle mandate, okay, just imagine we're in

00:08:39.920 the future, okay?

00:08:41.320 In 10 years' time, okay, picture, just for argument's sake, picture all of our vehicles

00:08:48.000 needing to be electric on day one.

00:08:50.440 So we know, of course, there'll be some people hanging onto their gasoline and diesel-powered

00:08:53.860 vehicles.

00:08:54.400 They'll be phased in, blah, blah.

00:08:56.300 What that will do to the cost of the pump and how those fueling stations will stay open,

00:09:01.080 all those gas stations, I don't know.

00:09:03.180 But anytime the government gets involved with things, it's usually a financial disaster.

00:09:07.120 But let's just, for the sake of argument, say that, you know, midnight 2025, 10 years from

00:09:13.800 now, we all have electric vehicles.

00:09:15.740 In Alberta alone, Sheila, we would need three new big nuclear plants. 0.81

00:09:23.800 Just for the cars.

00:09:26.960 Just for the cars.

00:09:28.300 I'm not talking about long-haul trucking.

00:09:30.400 In British Columbia, there's a really smart dude.

00:09:32.700 He's a scientist, Blair King, in British Columbia.

00:09:35.520 He did the calculation a couple of years back.

00:09:37.720 In British Columbia, just for the vehicles, not for industry, they would need nine new

00:09:44.800 site-sea dams.

00:09:47.260 Folks, one of those big nuclear power plants, of which we would need three here in Alberta,

00:09:52.440 that costs between $10 and $15 billion in today money.

00:09:58.320 Not 10 years from now money.

00:09:59.680 Today money.

00:10:00.680 And they take around 10 years to build.

00:10:02.960 So we do not have the money for this.

00:10:06.120 Well, and the more I think about this, you know, like you mentioned, a vice on both sides

00:10:10.960 pushing in.

00:10:12.180 If I had to guess, they will bring down a vice on the top too. 0.99

00:10:16.000 In that they would probably outlaw or grandfather out the sale of parts for gas and diesel-powered

00:10:27.640 vehicles because they've got to force you off the thing that you can continue to tinker

00:10:33.500 with as long as you possibly can to avoid buying a vehicle that doesn't work in our

00:10:38.920 climate.

00:10:39.900 And that's what I think.

00:10:40.800 I think that's the next thing that's coming to shoehorn people into this thing that they

00:10:46.680 don't want is to take away your ability to continue to repair the thing that you love

00:10:51.560 and that you need and that works.

00:10:53.220 And on top of that, so let's just play government monopoly here.

00:10:58.220 What happens if you want to go to the States and buy a normal vehicle, say in Montana?

00:11:03.420 Are they going to let you bring that across the border?

00:11:05.360 Do you really think so?

00:11:06.800 No, they'll probably set up some gigantic wasteful government agency in order to stop 0.99

00:11:12.280 you at the border.

00:11:13.380 Look, we couldn't even get people back across their own border into their own country during 0.95

00:11:18.080 the lockdowns without them wasting millions and millions of dollars on the Arrive Can app,

00:11:23.460 which also didn't work.

00:11:25.060 So just imagine what it'll be for something like vehicle importation.

00:11:28.860 How they are going to swing this, by the way, with the auto pact agreements that we have with

00:11:34.000 the United States?

00:11:35.340 Like, I'm going to leave that up to Dr. Jay Goldberg.

00:11:37.640 He's her Ontario director.

00:11:38.940 But for those of us out West, if you haven't lived in Ontario or that Quebec-Windsor corridor,

00:11:45.820 you may not realize what a big deal the agreement is for auto manufacturing between Canada and

00:11:52.040 the United States.

00:11:53.400 Like, it is like, it's what makes stuff happen and go there.

00:11:57.180 So how we are going to be able to fly with this vehicle ban starting in 2035 here when they

00:12:03.900 may not have one in the States, that's just another humongous headache.

00:12:07.600 Also, they could start coming after people for insurance.

00:12:10.960 They could go after used car sales, you know, but as of right now, it's just the ban of new

00:12:17.360 vehicles, which I think is bad enough.

00:12:20.260 Now, I want to ask you about, and we didn't talk about this before, but the Alberta Bill

00:12:29.400 of Rights, the three key amendments coming to the Alberta Bill of Rights.

00:12:33.880 And I know that you, I know you personally care deeply about some of the things that are

00:12:39.100 mentioned in this, but I'm not going to ask you about that.

00:12:40.980 I want to ask you about, I know, because you're here as a representative of the Canadian Taxpayers

00:12:46.420 Federation.

00:12:46.780 So I want to keep it on track there, even though there are other things that you and I would

00:12:50.920 probably be excited about and, and, and complain as far as civil liberties go.

00:12:56.760 Um, but, uh, I wanted to talk to you about some of the stuff that has been a key driver

00:13:03.020 of the issues of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation and the updated Alberta Bill of Rights that's

00:13:10.300 coming along is the right of individuals to legally acquire, safely use, and here's the

00:13:16.280 Canadian Taxpayers wheelhouse, keep firearms.

00:13:20.260 Um, and so I know that the Taxpayers Federation, um, looks at this through, you know, a government

00:13:26.800 accountability, smaller government quit wasting our money sort of lens.

00:13:30.820 And we have talked at length on the show here about just the sheer cost of, uh, Justin Trudeau's

00:13:37.580 gun ban and his confiscation program.

00:13:39.680 He can't thankfully figure out.

00:13:42.560 Um, I think this is great news and it's going to save the government millions and millions of

00:13:47.780 dollars if Danielle Smith, to use the worst pun ever, sticks to her guns and lets us keep 1.00

00:13:54.700 ours.

00:13:56.460 Natural.

00:13:57.100 You floored into that.

00:13:58.340 Yeah, no, it was very good.

00:13:59.620 Um, so briefly on the other elements you were talking about in particular, I just wanted to

00:14:06.160 be really clear.

00:14:06.920 The Taxpayers Federation, we came out pretty strongly against the so-called VAX tax.

00:14:12.380 I don't remember, don't know if people remember that, but that was in the really kind of

00:14:16.480 gucky days of say January, 2022, if I'm recalling that correctly, you know, Christmas time, 2021.

00:14:23.220 Um, that's back when the Quebec government was actually floating the idea of creating

00:14:28.060 a brand new tax to go after people.

00:14:31.160 Um, and so we wrote a national op-ed against that, Franco Terrizano and I saying, um, no,

00:14:36.500 how about no, none of that.

00:14:38.400 We also were opposed to the Emergencies Act invocation because of course, if you suspend

00:14:42.980 our civil liberties, pretty tough to hold the government to account.

00:14:47.460 So that was totally uncool.

00:14:49.960 Also freezing the bank accounts of people who protest you and disagree with you.

00:14:54.540 Um, that's also not okay because our three pillars of the Taxpayers Federation are lower

00:15:00.260 taxes, less waste, more accountable government.

00:15:03.620 Right.

00:15:04.280 And if you're scared, the government's going to freeze your bank account.

00:15:07.120 If you pipe up, that is terrible.

00:15:09.260 So we were really happy to see, for example, the Canadian Constitution Foundation, uh, and

00:15:14.380 one of our, one of our former colleagues, Christine Van Gein, brilliant constitutional lawyer.

00:15:18.700 They won that case at the federal court level.

00:15:21.160 So we were super happy to see that.

00:15:23.360 So, you know, we, we touched on that as best we could, but we got to stick to our mandate

00:15:27.580 here.

00:15:28.220 To your point on firearms.

00:15:30.420 Yeah, this is big overreach by the government and it's going to cost a heck of a ton of

00:15:36.140 money for what?

00:15:38.000 How do we actually make people safer when you're getting the police to go after and seize the

00:15:42.820 property of law abiding firearms owners?

00:15:45.780 And so we actually interviewed, uh, one of the head of the police unions here in Canada,

00:15:50.120 and it was them that said, um, no, this won't make people safer.

00:15:54.360 What will make people safer is to stop the illegal importation of illegal guns across the

00:16:00.420 border.

00:16:01.380 Don't go after, you know, the ranchers and the farmers and the people who own firearms

00:16:05.800 legally in Canada.

00:16:07.020 That was them.

00:16:08.400 And so we also can turn back in our own history as an organization to the long gun registry.

00:16:13.720 And we were pushing, yeah, we were pushing back hard against that.

00:16:17.220 And back then, I think the liberal, the then liberal government were guesstimating, oh, the

00:16:21.260 long gun registry will cost around $2 million.

00:16:24.680 After all the smoke cleared, no pun intended, um, it was about $2 billion.

00:16:30.260 So we were super happy to see a few things coming from the Smith government, even before

00:16:35.680 this bill of rights update.

00:16:36.820 So if, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure she instructed through her justice minister

00:16:42.040 to let the police know, um, yeah, don't waste your resources going door to door to people's

00:16:47.660 homes.

00:16:48.160 That's not what we want you to do here in Alberta.

00:16:50.540 Very good.

00:16:51.560 Our chief firearms officer, really knowledgeable on firearms, really digging in her heels on 0.98

00:16:57.460 this and saying no to the Trudeau government.

00:16:59.560 So super happy to see that.

00:17:02.080 Now with this update, this will just give, and if it goes through and everything's tickety

00:17:07.100 boo and it looks good, this should give the province of Alberta another arrow in the quiver

00:17:14.240 when it comes to fighting back against Ottawa, especially in court, for them to be able to

00:17:19.720 say, you know what, this violates our provincial bill of rights for you to have the feds coming

00:17:24.000 in here, seizing lawful property that could apply to firearms, but get this.

00:17:29.420 I don't know if I mentioned it to you when we were hanging out last week and you also gave

00:17:32.640 me that jar of pickles.

00:17:33.460 Not that I'm rubbing it into any of the other guests.

00:17:36.540 This, I got this confirmation from the premier's office.

00:17:40.020 They haven't worked out the details yet, but this can also apply to vehicles.

00:17:45.040 I said, so a vehicle is private property.

00:17:48.200 I own it.

00:17:48.860 It's in my driveway on my property.

00:17:50.380 Couldn't you apply this new updated bill of rights to saying no to the vehicle ban that

00:17:56.160 the Trudeau government's trying to push through?

00:17:58.540 Yes, they will.

00:17:59.620 And yes, they can.

00:18:00.640 So we were pretty happy with big elements coming from this updated bill of rights, especially

00:18:05.820 with the property stuff.

00:18:07.620 Yeah.

00:18:08.220 One of the three key changes is the right not to be deprived of property without legal due

00:18:15.640 process and just compensation.

00:18:18.700 So that's wonderful.

00:18:21.100 We're embedding property rights that we don't have at the federal level into the Alberta

00:18:26.180 Bill of Rights.

00:18:26.940 We continue to be the bastion of freedom in this country.

00:18:31.600 And you know what?

00:18:32.460 I'm so glad you moved here.

00:18:33.660 I bet you are too.

00:18:36.880 I got a few calls.

00:18:38.460 They weren't in the middle of the night, but they were a little panicked.

00:18:40.960 So I'm really glad that I've moved here to Alberta.

00:18:43.160 And again, this is good for everybody.

00:18:46.060 Having smaller, more accountable government is good for freedom.

00:18:50.320 It's good for liberty.

00:18:51.460 And you know what?

00:18:52.040 It's good for taxpayers because it usually winds up with people saving hundreds of millions

00:18:57.160 of dollars because they're not overpaying a whole bunch of bureaucrats they don't need 0.89

00:19:00.560 kicking around.

00:19:01.200 And they also don't get into major fights with the government all the time because the government

00:19:05.340 is smaller and more accountable.

00:19:07.320 Again, which always costs taxpayers money.

00:19:10.660 The government doesn't have its own money to fight their own people in court or to fight

00:19:14.340 lobby groups in court.

00:19:15.820 But if they actually stick to their lane and they're small and accountable and they're

00:19:20.480 managing to keep their budgets balanced and all that good stuff, there's just far less

00:19:24.340 cost to taxpayers.

00:19:25.640 So this is good news.

00:19:27.060 We really hope that these parts of these elements go through and that they're functional and that

00:19:31.480 it winds up with good court rulings.

00:19:33.900 Now, I'm going to ask you about the vice presidential debate which occurred last night.

00:19:39.240 I thought it was an absolute axe murdering.

00:19:42.200 Call the cops.

00:19:43.860 J.D.

00:19:44.220 Vance committed a murder.

00:19:45.820 Now, I don't know how much you can talk about this in your role as the Alberta Director

00:19:51.040 of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, but I think there were some small government ideas

00:19:58.220 proposed yesterday.

00:20:00.260 And I think also, as an Albertan, to see the pro-energy stance of J.D.

00:20:07.880 Vance versus the anti-oil and gas government administration that they have right now, which

00:20:15.380 will be continued under Kamala Harris.

00:20:18.600 That's, I said it yesterday during our debate coverage, that's really my interest in all

00:20:23.280 of this is, can Alberta have a reliable customer in the United States for our oil and gas?

00:20:30.620 Will they let us build them a pipeline?

00:20:32.600 Will they let these nice people from above them sell them some quality oil instead of conflict

00:20:39.360 oil?

00:20:39.600 Well, that's really one of the reasons that I would love to see a Republican administration

00:20:45.060 there, besides all the other reasons.

00:20:46.620 But what did you think of the debate?

00:20:47.860 I guess I'll shut up.

00:20:48.800 What did you think of the debate?

00:20:50.900 I think too.

00:20:52.060 And because, you know, I can't not.

00:20:54.040 I'm a total political nerd.

00:20:55.820 Exactly.

00:20:56.140 I just, top line impression, taking off my CTF hat and just putting my full political

00:21:02.520 nerd hat on.

00:21:03.660 I have not seen that good of a performance from a candidate since Reagan versus Mondale.

00:21:09.940 Yes.

00:21:10.300 So people probably remember there's a wonderful warm moment where US President Ronald Reagan,

00:21:16.600 God rest his soul, is up there and they depict this in the movie as well, because it was such

00:21:22.000 a line.

00:21:22.360 And he's up there on the debate stage and he's up against Mondale, who's younger than

00:21:26.800 him.

00:21:27.420 And one of the commentators says something to the effect of, you know, don't you think

00:21:31.340 you're too old for this?

00:21:32.460 This is kind of the tee up.

00:21:34.220 And Reagan, I can't do him justice, so I will just butcher it and paraphrase, says something

00:21:38.060 to the effect of, no, I will not use my opponent's youth and inexperience against him.

00:21:43.820 And it was so funny that Mondale cracked up laughing, like earnestly, genuinely laughing.

00:21:50.140 And he knew his goose was cooked.

00:21:51.780 He knew that Reagan won the debate.

00:21:53.760 So there were a couple of moments that weren't as funny, but there were a couple of moments

00:21:59.320 there where you could just see JD Vance was lapping the track.

00:22:03.020 And there was a moment even where he kind of is looking like this and he breaks fourth

00:22:06.460 wall and he looks back over.

00:22:10.140 That was a lot of confidence.

00:22:11.920 As far as Paula's brilliant debate performance, I think it was really one-sided.

00:22:16.900 Although I will say it was really nice just as a human being to see those two men interacting

00:22:23.180 with each other, saying, you know what, I agree there, or here's where we disagree, or

00:22:27.140 my friend on the other side, that tone was largely congenial, which is what they used

00:22:34.900 to be.

00:22:35.920 Do you know what I think, though?

00:22:37.240 I think, sorry to interrupt, I think JD Vance brought that to the debate.

00:22:41.500 He did.

00:22:42.180 Because I think that Tim Walls was ready for some sort of gruesome, scrappy fight.

00:22:49.480 And that was evident in his opening statement.

00:22:52.540 And you can see the tone immediately shift after JD Vance's opening statement.

00:22:58.840 And Tim Walls is like, shoot, dang, I should have done that.

00:23:03.160 And then he had to sort of rein it back in.

00:23:05.160 He realized he wasn't going to get a bunch of personal attacks from JD Vance.

00:23:10.760 He would get attacks on policy and on history of the last administration, of which Kamala Harris

00:23:20.460 continues.

00:23:20.960 He wasn't going to get the sort of insults that he was expecting.

00:23:28.180 And he had to sort of re-center his debate performance after that.

00:23:33.400 You could tell he was completely caught off guard.

00:23:35.780 He was discombobulated, for sure, having to do that.

00:23:38.420 And I would give this advice to anyone who's going into a really intense interview or a debate

00:23:45.580 or something like that, meet people where they are, try to match their tone, don't come in

00:23:53.300 like a bull in a china shop, and really listen to people.

00:23:57.140 There was a moment, and again, this has nothing to do with CTF, and I would just say this as

00:24:00.460 a human being, and I would say this of any party, of any candidate.

00:24:03.320 There was a moment where Walls mentioned that his son had witnessed a terrible act of violence,

00:24:10.580 and then he went on talking.

00:24:12.760 He went on talking for about three or four minutes after that.

00:24:15.800 And what I found really interesting is that Mr. Vance stopped what he was doing when he

00:24:21.940 answered and said, you know what?

00:24:23.500 I didn't know that happened to your son, and I'm really sorry that occurred.

00:24:28.180 It was a real human moment there, and so I would just encourage people in this political

00:24:32.940 arena that we're in all the time, don't forget that stuff.

00:24:36.200 It's super important.

00:24:38.120 As far as the energy goes and policy goes, it's something that I've been harping on.

00:24:42.960 So before I moved to Alberta, I lived in British Columbia where I was born and raised, and that's

00:24:48.600 where the carbon tax started back in 2008.

00:24:51.580 Then BC Liberal Premier Gordon Campbell thought it was a super awesome idea.

00:24:56.040 It was not.

00:24:57.200 He was in friends with then Governor of California, Arnold Schwarzenegger, who thought it was a

00:25:02.620 great idea.

00:25:03.280 Again, it was not.

00:25:04.880 So that's where this started.

00:25:07.000 So it then morphed into this really vitriolic fight over the carbon tax for a long time.

00:25:14.660 There were times where I would go on mainstream radio to say, you know what?

00:25:18.760 It's not fair to punish people for driving their minivans and heating their homes and

00:25:22.380 eating food.

00:25:23.140 And I was called a monster.

00:25:25.000 I was blamed for Lytton burning down.

00:25:27.240 Like, these are from grown adults.

00:25:28.680 This isn't from somebody calling in.

00:25:30.460 This is from political types.

00:25:32.640 And then this is, I do not use this term.

00:25:36.060 I'm quoting it.

00:25:37.520 Called climate change denier, which is a disgusting term.

00:25:42.380 Right.

00:25:42.560 And anybody who's called it, I think, should push back on that because we all know where

00:25:45.960 that origin comes from.

00:25:46.900 It's gross.

00:25:47.880 What I, so I've been trying to say, listen, folks, please hear me out.

00:25:52.620 If you really care about global emissions, global emissions, fight where the dirty fuels

00:25:59.380 are, fight where the large populations are.

00:26:02.620 Okay.

00:26:03.380 Why are we punishing people for driving a minivan or a pickup truck and eating and heating here

00:26:08.420 in Canada when it doesn't make a dent in global emissions?

00:26:11.620 Exactly.

00:26:12.780 Why?

00:26:13.500 Sell them natural gas.

00:26:15.060 Sell clean burning natural gas to India.

00:26:18.360 Or in the United States case, I could be wrong on this, but I think the numbers do bear it out.

00:26:24.600 I believe when U.S. President Donald Trump was in power, I think their emissions went down

00:26:29.960 because they switched to, did they?

00:26:32.660 Fracking and natural gas.

00:26:34.280 It was fracking.

00:26:35.040 So it was the fracking renaissance in Pennsylvania.

00:26:37.660 Pennsylvania and Ohio that drove emissions down because they were unleashing this cheap,

00:26:47.760 clean burning, reliable natural gas.

00:26:49.680 So under Trump, more oil and gas, lower emissions, better economy.

00:26:55.200 See?

00:26:55.660 And so this can work.

00:26:58.180 This can work.

00:26:59.500 We do not have to go with this weird, myopic, one track thinking of just increase the carbon

00:27:04.300 tax.

00:27:04.780 It will stop.

00:27:05.480 No, it won't.

00:27:06.160 And it's not.

00:27:07.220 In fact, in British Columbia, like I said, they've had a carbon tax there and now they

00:27:11.480 have two.

00:27:12.300 They've had a carbon tax there since 2008.

00:27:14.720 They were supposed to reduce their emissions by 2019, 2020 by more than 30% from 2008 standards.

00:27:24.900 Any guesses if they hit that target?

00:27:27.120 No, they sure didn't.

00:27:28.360 In fact, I think by 2019, they were up by 3%.

00:27:31.280 So, like, it's not working.

00:27:34.280 This is not working.

00:27:35.420 And so I was on that point exactly, Sheila.

00:27:37.740 I was watching along with you.

00:27:39.240 I was really happy to hear that language coming from Mr. Vance.

00:27:43.360 Right.

00:27:43.840 And, you know, understanding where people are coming from on the environment, totally getting

00:27:48.580 it, and then saying, let's do something smarter, and then tying it back to affordability, tying

00:27:54.100 it back to why we need affordable energy, because then all boats rise, including those of working

00:27:59.740 class families and those who are struggling.

00:28:01.480 Yeah, for me, I thought that was a really, really clever thing that happened very, I think

00:28:06.800 it was one of the first questions of the debate.

00:28:09.500 And you could tell Walls was trying to goad J.D. Vance into a debate on the science of climate

00:28:16.720 change.

00:28:17.520 And he just said, I'm not even going to talk about the science.

00:28:20.640 Whether you believe in the science is settled or whatever, regardless, if you care about emissions,

00:28:28.000 then you have to repatriate American manufacturing.

00:28:31.480 You have to encourage the development of American fossil fuels as some of the cleanest, I would

00:28:39.340 take credit for being the cleanest, but as some of the cleanest on the planet.

00:28:43.960 So that's an argument, I think, that everybody, no matter where they stand on the issue, can

00:28:49.680 get behind.

00:28:50.720 And as you say, the result is affordability in American jobs.

00:28:55.260 What's the problem?

00:28:56.360 Um, and it's just not something the Democrats have been, uh, have been behind for some reason.

00:29:03.860 Um, I could talk to you all day.

00:29:06.160 And one little thing.

00:29:07.100 Okay, please do.

00:29:07.780 Sorry.

00:29:08.040 I was also really happy to hear, um, I won't get choked up.

00:29:12.580 I was really happy to hear a candidate talk about how he grew up.

00:29:17.800 Yeah, me too.

00:29:18.700 And he talked about how he grew up in a way that a lot of Taxpayers Federation supporters

00:29:23.540 can relate to.

00:29:24.660 Yep.

00:29:24.960 So we get hundreds of emails all the time from people who are trying to afford their heat

00:29:31.580 bill, who are wincing this coming winter.

00:29:34.980 And to hear JD Vance say something to the effect of, I remember when my meemaw couldn't

00:29:40.040 afford home heating.

00:29:42.300 And that's wrong.

00:29:43.820 That's wrong.

00:29:44.840 We should have affordable energy in this country.

00:29:46.900 And for him to speak for the working class in that way is really, really strong.

00:29:53.680 And I read, I would encourage everybody to read his book.

00:29:56.500 It's called Hillbilly Elegy.

00:29:58.160 It's a really easy read.

00:29:59.700 It's basically his own, like he said, an elegy.

00:30:02.120 It's his own way he grew up.

00:30:03.920 He did not expect it to take off the way it did.

00:30:07.020 Um, and he talks about what it's like to grow up working class or struggling in North

00:30:12.680 America, to be part of the flyover America or the Rust Belt.

00:30:17.360 And I know a lot of Canadians, especially those who, those of us who've worked in the

00:30:20.860 energy sector as families, boy, we can relate to that.

00:30:24.560 Um, when I first moved to Ottawa in my early twenties was the first time I can remember eating

00:30:30.300 real cheese because I was raised largely from what I remember on cheese whiz and slices,

00:30:37.140 which is fine.

00:30:37.880 If you choose to eat that, that's totally fine.

00:30:39.520 But it's such a cultural difference that unless you've lived it, you don't know it.

00:30:46.160 And so to have that voiced on a national stage was pretty important.

00:30:50.300 And to have him tying it back to, it is our responsibility to make sure things like energy,

00:30:56.920 something as fundamental as energy is affordable for all people, that really spoke volumes.

00:31:02.260 And I think it does here in Canada, especially with the carbon tax and our coming winter.

00:31:07.380 Yeah, I remember that.

00:31:09.520 Vividly.

00:31:10.560 My first store-bought egg.

00:31:12.700 I know it's just a stupid thing to remember, but I remember my very first store-bought egg

00:31:19.360 and I was in my twenties.

00:31:22.160 Right?

00:31:22.780 Yeah.

00:31:23.200 Right?

00:31:23.980 But, uh, you know.

00:31:25.200 Or new clothes, store-bought, store-bought new clothes, like brand new, new to you clothes,

00:31:29.860 fancy clothes.

00:31:30.700 Yeah.

00:31:31.020 Yeah.

00:31:31.340 Like in a real department store.

00:31:35.220 Yeah.

00:31:35.780 Yeah.

00:31:36.440 Um, as I said to David Menzies on the show last night, Trump is very, whether you like

00:31:41.220 Trump or not, he's really good at balancing out the criticisms of him with a good VP pick.

00:31:48.700 So in 2020, or sorry, in 2016, you know, a lot of social conservatives are like, eh, I'm not sure

00:31:57.160 Trump's a conservative.

00:31:58.620 Look at him on his social issues.

00:32:01.140 He's got some moral failing.

00:32:02.400 So who does he get?

00:32:03.680 Mike Pence, who is like so squeaky clean.

00:32:06.720 It, like, it's almost annoying.

00:32:09.240 And then the more recent criticisms are like, what could possibly this billionaire know about

00:32:14.540 the struggling, uh, working middle class?

00:32:17.820 Well, then he just grabs JD Vance, who addresses all those issues.

00:32:22.260 Um, so he's really good at balancing his personality with the, his VP pick.

00:32:26.940 Um, and, and, and whether you like Trump or not, I think he does that brilliantly.

00:32:30.880 Chris, how do people get involved in the work that the CTF does?

00:32:36.360 Because not only do you not take government money, but you also don't even take preferential

00:32:40.920 track tax treatment from the government, uh, to do the work that you do.

00:32:45.880 Yeah, we won't even give you a tax receipt.

00:32:48.420 That's how hardcore we are.

00:32:50.300 Um, so if you want to sign up and support the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, you can go to

00:32:55.680 taxpayer.com.

00:32:56.900 You can make a donation if you choose to, but it's totally optional.

00:33:00.880 What's really great about the Taxpayers Federation is that we have a huge army of tax fighters

00:33:05.360 on all sorts of issues.

00:33:07.400 And so in order to get that ball rolling and become part of this real fellowship, it really

00:33:11.920 is.

00:33:12.280 Cause we respond to the emails all the time ourselves, myself, all of our team.

00:33:17.100 Um, so sign a petition that speaks to you.

00:33:19.980 So if you want to scrap the carbon tax, if you want to defund the CBC, if you want to

00:33:23.680 stop the gun grab, yes, yes, yes.

00:33:25.620 Um, if you want to stop PST collection in British Columbia from thrift shops, I might've written

00:33:31.180 that one myself, um, sign up because the next time that we have action on something like

00:33:36.580 that or big stuff too, like capital gains tax fights, no home equity tax.

00:33:41.500 Like we're talking billions of dollars here, potentially sign up to those petitions.

00:33:45.860 And the next time we're taking action and pushing a politician to do the right thing,

00:33:49.480 you'll be part of the army.

00:33:50.560 You'll be part of that email chain and you can help us push back.

00:33:53.460 So head over to taxpayer.com.

00:33:55.800 Great.

00:33:56.520 Chris, thanks so much for coming on the show.

00:33:58.200 I know I sprung it on you short notice, but, uh, we always have stuff to talk about whether

00:34:01.780 on air or off.

00:34:02.800 So, um, you are also speaking at rebel news live, uh, this Saturday in Calgary.

00:34:08.540 So I get to see Chris a lot over the last like two weeks, 10 days, which is really exciting.

00:34:13.920 But if you'd like to come and see Chris speak about, I don't know what you're speaking about.

00:34:18.640 I bet you're going to be prickly with the government funding of the media.

00:34:21.800 If I had to guess.

00:34:22.540 Oh yeah.

00:34:22.560 That's my first part of the speech.

00:34:24.120 You can go to rebelnewslive.com to get your tickets.

00:34:27.500 And, uh, Chris is always a fan favorite.

00:34:29.920 So thanks so much, Chris.

00:34:30.980 And we'll see you Saturday.

00:34:32.400 You bet.

00:34:32.760 Thank you.

00:34:38.540 All right.

00:34:43.700 We've come to the portion of the show wherein we invite your viewer feedback, because of

00:34:47.320 course, without you, there is no rebel news.

00:34:49.040 We'll never take a penny from Justin Trudeau to hold him to account.

00:34:52.520 I mean, how could we, and you should consider all your consumption of the mainstream media

00:34:58.920 through that lens.

00:35:01.080 Are they applying for the next bailout from Justin Trudeau when they report on Justin Trudeau?

00:35:07.700 Sometimes it sure feels that way, right?

00:35:10.060 CTV.

00:35:11.680 But because we rely on you, I open up the viewer mailbag to you.

00:35:15.680 I want to hear from you and I want to let you have your say.

00:35:18.000 That's one of the reasons we do the live stream twice a week.

00:35:21.680 It gives you the opportunity to talk directly to us.

00:35:24.820 Um, as we cover the news completely unscripted, I give you my email address.

00:35:31.120 It's Sheila at rebelnews.com.

00:35:32.940 If you've got some viewer feedback about the show tonight with Chris Sims, put gun show

00:35:37.380 letters in the subject line so I know why you're emailing me.

00:35:40.740 Because I give out my email address, I get so many emails about almost everything all

00:35:46.700 week long.

00:35:47.180 So gun show letters makes me, uh, have to work a little bit less hard to figure out why

00:35:53.580 you're emailing me.

00:35:54.640 All right.

00:35:55.000 So today's letter comes to me about last week's show.

00:36:03.060 It's from Mike Stewart and it says, Hey Sheila, love your work and Ezra and Alexa.

00:36:09.620 Thanks so much for all you do.

00:36:11.580 I was interviewing Alexa last week, Alexa Lavoie, our Quebec based journalist on her

00:36:16.820 buttonholing of Jacinda Ardern, the former prime minister of New Zealand, when she came

00:36:24.820 to Canada to meet with a bunch of progressives here and shove her bad ideas down our throats 1.00

00:36:31.580 because they've been so resoundedly rejected by New Zealand voters.

00:36:39.480 Anyway, Mike says, love your work and Ezra and Alexa.

00:36:42.860 Thanks so much for all you do.

00:36:44.340 Would love to hear your thoughts on the no confidence vote.

00:36:46.860 Okay.

00:36:47.100 Let's start there.

00:36:48.700 No confidence vote.

00:36:50.080 Um, so I guess maybe I'll give a little bit of a civics lesson.

00:36:55.100 So the government can fall on a confidence vote.

00:36:59.980 Now you don't vote to say I have no confidence in the government.

00:37:04.820 That's not how it works.

00:37:05.840 You can attach confidence to a vote and if, uh, the government loses that vote, then the

00:37:19.960 government falls on confidence and then you go to election and it can be on a number of

00:37:25.400 different things.

00:37:25.880 It can be on passing the budget that can be, well, that is a confidence issue.

00:37:30.520 So if the government fails to pass the budget, then clearly you've lost confidence in the

00:37:36.120 government.

00:37:36.680 It'll fall.

00:37:37.340 You go to election.

00:37:38.700 What the conservatives are doing right now is they're trying to attach a confidence issue

00:37:42.700 to just about anything.

00:37:45.660 Um, and really it's to try to catch the liberals off guard because all the liberals have to be

00:37:53.440 in the house to pass that vote.

00:37:55.520 They have to make sure they have the support of the NDP and the bloc to make sure the vote

00:38:02.060 passes.

00:38:03.180 So that's why the conservatives are working so hard, uh, to try to attach confidence motions

00:38:10.660 to the most rudimentary of issues.

00:38:15.460 Um, I remember a couple of years ago, the government almost fell on a confidence vote because the

00:38:20.900 conservatives last minute attached confidence to something that the liberals,

00:38:25.520 didn't think that they would, there were almost no liberals in the house of commons at the

00:38:30.160 time.

00:38:30.460 And they all had to rush back to vote to make sure the government didn't fall.

00:38:34.820 So I don't know.

00:38:37.420 Uh, it's something that happens in our parliamentary system.

00:38:43.800 However, I think not only are the liberals going to do everything that they can to make

00:38:49.300 sure that the government doesn't fall because whether they go to election in six weeks from

00:38:54.280 now or a year and six weeks from now, they are going to lose catastrophically.

00:39:02.080 And so the liberals would like to hang on to power as long as possible.

00:39:07.100 And a lot of them need to qualify for a pension.

00:39:10.120 And so they moved the fixed election date, um, so that many of them could qualify for a pension.

00:39:16.560 And they did that with the full support of the NDP because their leader Jagmeet Singh needed

00:39:21.360 the election date to move so that he could qualify for a pension.

00:39:24.400 So do you think the Jagmeet Singh is going to break ranks with the, and with the liberals

00:39:30.160 to go to an election that his party is definitely going to lose?

00:39:36.520 He probably won't be the leader after they lose that election and he's not going to get

00:39:40.360 his pension.

00:39:43.000 I am not confident.

00:39:47.820 Uh, Mike goes on to say, I've heard a lot of ads on other podcasts for things like the

00:39:53.320 wellness company where you can get emergency meds, such as Ivermectin in case of another

00:39:57.700 pandemic.

00:39:58.500 Do we have anything like that in Canada that, you know, if I cannot give you medical advice,

00:40:04.520 um, I have ideas about where you can get prophylactic Ivermectin, a veterinary grade, although it doesn't

00:40:14.780 matter, dosage by weight, right?

00:40:17.260 Um, I know the wellness company, um, sells a whole host of supplements, um, and some of

00:40:24.080 our sponsors on the live stream also sell prophylactic medications for other issues as

00:40:29.700 well.

00:40:31.300 I'd love to give you more information.

00:40:32.840 I just don't think that I can, if you know what I mean, Mike.

00:40:39.540 Um, well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

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Rebel News Podcast - October 03, 2024

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Canadians don't want to be forced into electric cars

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