SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Carney's Gun Grab Explodes： Minister Caught Admitting Buyback Can't Work
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Summary
Rod Giltaka of the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights (CCFR) joins me to update me on the latest on the so-called "gun buyback" program, including what's happening with Public Safety Minister Gary Anandasangari, who accidentally told the truth to a tenant about the plan.
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What's been going on with the gun grab while I was away in Edgewood, BC at the Battle of the Birds?
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I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gun Show.
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with no cell service, working around the clock with my friend Drea Humphrey to cover what
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I've been calling the Battle of the Birds, the fight to keep 400 otherwise healthy ostriches
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owned by Universal Ostrich Farms safe and alive, protected from the hands of assassins who
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work for the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, the CFIA.
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The CFIA has a complete cull order on the birds as part of a stamping out policy for
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The birds were exposed to avian flu as I filmed this 255 days ago and the ones that remain
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have antibodies and they are not sick and they don't pose a threat to public health at all.
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You can tell by the amount of people that are constantly at the farm who are not in PPE and
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who have not become sick, including me, but a lot of RCMP officers too.
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And as I said, we were really struggling with internet connection there and upload speeds.
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Um, but I was able to film an intro and an outro to a live stream while I was waiting on the
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ferry somewhere near the cusp, British Columbia.
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So there, there was something there for you in 10 years of the gun show.
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And as I said, I'm not going to have those ostrich assassins at the CFIA be the reason I start
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So you were patient with me and I thought maybe I could do a little something for you
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viewers at home because the show I gave you was not new content.
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It was the live stream from earlier that day and you deserve better.
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You support our work and you're faithful supporters of my work.
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And I want to make sure that I rise to the occasion for you.
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We threw it together while I was on my way home.
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It's Thursday as I'm filming this in the early hours of Thursday morning.
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My friend Rod Giltaka of the CCFR, the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights, agreed to join
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me to update me, but also you in a lot of the moving parts of this latest scandal with Public
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Safety Minister Gary Anandasangari, who accidentally told the truth to a tenant in one of his properties
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And now we have a very limited pot of money to go towards the buyback program, which of
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Do the liberals know how many guns they are supposed to be buying back?
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And what's happening with police forces across the country?
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So here's the interview I recorded just moments ago with Rod Giltaka from the CCFR.
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So joining me now is Rod Giltaka of the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights.
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And I don't know about you, but I've been in the ostrich universe for the better part of
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Of course, as a firearms owner, I'm watching out of the corner of my eye about what's happening
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with the so-called gun buyback, which is not a buyback at all, but a confiscation with
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Maybe if you're one of the first people to turn in your guns, I guess you'll get compensation.
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Then Gary Anandasangari, our public safety minister, said, oh, just joshing you.
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And then now we have police forces say they're not going to participate.
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And then other police forces say, we are proud to stand up for law and order and take your
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So I'm glad Rod is here because I think he needs to bring me up to speed.
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I know Tracy was on Ezra's show this week, but sometimes I don't always watch Ezra's show.
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And I know sometimes our viewers don't always get all of Ezra's show.
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We get leaked audio from our public safety minister, Gary Anandasangari, saying that he wishes,
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I guess, that the gun buyback wasn't happening because I think he thinks, even he thinks it's
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Well, I guess the easy rundown of what he said in this conversation was, don't ask me to explain
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Basically telling this gun owner that there is no logic to this program.
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He says, this is about votes in Quebec, admits that, uh, he admits that Carney said, you
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And then it just has to be followed through for some reason.
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Um, and then he goes even further when the gun owner says, if I don't comply, well, I guess
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And he's like, well, if I don't comply, I'm going to go to jail.
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Apparently Gary has some rental properties, hasn't been keeping up with the repairs.
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So this individual who's a gun owner records this conversation because it's actually about
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And then Gary launches into this conversation about the buyback.
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And then it gets even worse because the gun owner then complains or previously complains.
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Well, the pricing that you're giving is not going to cover my costs.
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I thought we were, I thought none of this was our fault and we were going to get compensated
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I will pay the difference out of my pocket to you.
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And then of course, when he gets caught, because liberals always tell the truth when they think
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no one's listening, then he's like, oh yeah, I was just joking.
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Their first reflex, Sheila, sorry for going on and on, but this is, this is really important.
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The first reflex that these people have is to lie.
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They're just like, come up with some lie and take no accountability for what you've done.
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It's an insult to the intelligence of Canadians.
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You know, as it turns out, the gun buyback, and I'm going to say it in scare quotes till
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the day I die, it's set to launch in Cape Breton.
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And there's a budget cap of $742 million to compensate gun owners who will voluntarily,
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whatever that means, turn in their now banned firearms.
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But what happens after the $742 million is gone?
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You know, like people like me are reluctant to, and I say that with the big, big capital
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letters, reluctant, as in never, reluctant to participate in this program.
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So if you are not an early adopter of the liberals' coercion, you're going to get screwed in the end.
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So overall, anyone in media hasn't, they haven't quite caught on to this yet.
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So we were in a technical briefing with public safety over what the buyback is going to look
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So it's going to take a second to explain, but it is, this is a major conspiracy slash
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So we're in this technical briefing and they're like, this is a capped program with a capped
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The budget has already been dipped into for the retail buyback.
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And I said, okay, well, what happens when the budget runs out?
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So that means that the people that have exposed what they have to the government through this
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portal, then that means that they are just going to have to provide their firearms to
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the government with no compensation or deactivate them at anywhere from four to $700 each out
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of their pocket or export them to, I don't know where, or hang on to them and have this
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criminal offense or a series of multiple counts of criminal offense hanging over their head
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So I said, okay, well, how far does 742 million or whatever, right?
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And public safety says we've, it's for 152,000 firearms.
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And he's like, yeah, restricted firearms, previously restricted firearms that are now
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prohib, we know that number because we have those records, 126,000.
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And I'm like, so you're, you're budgeting for another 20,000 firearms?
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And he's like, yeah, we're pretty confident in that number.
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All of the 22s, the GSG-16s out there, all the Ruger PC carbines, all the 50 cals that
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go for 7,000 to 20,000 a piece, the double barrel rifles out there that are like a hundred
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There are probably hundreds and hundreds of thousands of these firearms out there.
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And you intend to compensate people for 20,000.
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And he goes, well, we're confident in this number.
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And I, unfortunately, I called it the way I saw it, which is, I said, this is diabolical
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because it's going, what they're trying to do is create a race, right?
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Everyone runs in there, tells the government what they have.
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And you don't know that whether you're going to get compensation until weeks or months later,
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then they roll out their 20,000 firearm checks, right?
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And everyone else is like, we know what you have.
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You turn it in for free, or you're going to go to jail.
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And it took me a couple of days and reading a few tweets and having to kind of move this
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They want everyone to run in, tell them what they have.
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And then they want non-compliance, especially with people like me or you, because then they'll
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say, and Ananda Sangari said in this conversation, don't worry, the police aren't going to enforce
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They'll sit there and it's like, Rod, you shut your mouth.
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If you become a problem, we have you admitting that you have these guns in your home attached
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Maybe you'll be Roger, Roger Katenko'd in the process.
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So if you don't want that to happen, you just shut your mouth.
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This is going back on what they said, as if that's even a factor.
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But yeah, it's hard to believe that they're even this bull to do this.
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And also, let's also consider that they are shoehorning guns onto that list all the time
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So they're capping it at 20,000 and they couldn't possibly know that number because they were
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non-restricted and then all of a sudden prohib just like that.
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But they are also adding guns to that number all the time.
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They're creating scarcity and urgency, and they're going to use it against firearms owners
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if they participate in peaceful civil disobedience.
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I bet you there's half a million SKSs in Canada.
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That's everybody's first gun show rifle because it's cheap.
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Every time they announce something, it gets even worse.
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And they are, as he said, willing to screw the entire country over to buy votes in Quebec.
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And we knew that when they hand-selected the head of Pauly Sissouvian, Natalie Provo, to
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I knew that that meant that they were going to not just continue with Justin Trudeau's gun
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Yeah, I, the, the, the notion of them not wanting compliance and wanting something to
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hold over the heads of probably two, two or three or 400,000 Canadians.
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Like I would, you know, I, I don't like to jump on things like that.
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They want to be able to, to raid your home and put you in handcuffs and destroy your life.
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Like for people like you and me, a criminal charge, a weapons charge, much less whatever,
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how many people, how many guns do people have that are on this list?
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16, 16 counts of unauthorized possession of a prohibited firearm.
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That's that equals machine gun in the eyes of the law.
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You know, I would, you know, I'm, I'm reluctant to believe, oh yeah, the government wants this.
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This, they, these, these people are not stupid.
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And I normally don't talk like this, but holy smokes, man, I can't even believe it myself.
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Yeah, it's, it's not a conspiracy theory when it turns into a conspiracy fact real quick.
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I mean, this is the same sinister and as you say, diabolical, what a great word for this
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government that froze people's bank accounts because they supported a peaceful resistance
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You think they wouldn't hang a criminal charge or several criminal charges over your head
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just to shut you up because you're a thorn in the side of the government?
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They'll, I'm, I'm sure they'll be coming after me and you and everyone else that is
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law abiding that, you know, like a criminal charge like this would destroy my life.
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And of course, criminals, like none of this has anything to do with criminals.
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It doesn't affect the lives of criminals one iota, but even if it did, the criminals
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Like it's, it doesn't even register in the minds of people that would hurt other people
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only to people like us, the, the producing law abiding beneficial aspect of Canadian society
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Um, at this point in our system, obviously the only thing that can pull this back is
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That's the only thing that can stop this other than, you know, trying to wreck everything,
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some big civil war, but it's going to destroy everything we built over 150 years.
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Like people talk like that, but it's, I don't know that you want the reality there.
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So that is the only way out is somehow getting ahold of the government and the system as it
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Um, I guess there's a silver lining in some of this is that depending on which province
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that you're in, um, and Doug Ford's province is shockingly conservative on this issue, which
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Um, but as, as we earlier discussed, the, the rollout of this program is starting in Cape
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Apparently the police there have agreed to, uh, participate in this, but Ontario.
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Ontario has said they're, they're not going to direct their police resources to any sort
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Alberta has said repeatedly, look, we're not doing this.
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We've got actual bad guys to harass and not our friends and neighbors, but British Columbia
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We're proud to stand, uh, stand up for the law, I guess, even if it's a bad law.
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I mean, BC has a crime problem, a gang problem, a fentanyl super lab problem that is throwing
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a monkey wrench into our relationship with the Americans cartels, and yet this is where
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the BC government led by the NDP would see fit to direct their police resources.
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It won't make one bit of difference in crime on paper at all.
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Like this has gone so far be beyond a difference of opinion or different politics.
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Uh, I think Saskatchewan has said the same thing.
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I don't want to leave them out, um, because they've really sort of been leading the way,
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but honestly, Albert has been stealing their good ideas for a while.
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And I say that as an Albertan, you know, like having a, uh, chief firearms officer, having
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a, you know, associate minister of fighting with, uh, the federal government, um, you know,
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being strong on the carbon tax, a lot of good ideas come out of Saskatchewan where they're
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just a little bit less showboaty than Albert is.
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But, uh, I'm, I'm happy that there are some provinces where it is still, uh, safe to be a
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firearms owner, but I would hate to be somebody in the interior of BC where firearms ownership
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is a way of life, um, being treated like a gangster in, uh, you know, then the lower
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And I think it's really important, uh, for people to know kind of what's going on with
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They have obviously the legislation that prevents, uh, confiscation agents and they're working
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So I, I have met with the Alberta government, um, one week ago and the problem is, and people
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should know this cause this is important, especially if you're in Alberta, the problem
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is this is very complicated and the Alberta government is working on it.
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I know people get frustrated and they lose their patience and now they want to lash out
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at even their allies in the, uh, Alberta government.
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The problem is, is that the province, uh, has, uh, has jurisdiction over property rights.
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The federal government has jurisdiction over criminal behavior.
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And in this case, the criminal code and the firearms act, if you are in peaceful possession
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That's, that's, that's the jurisdiction of the province.
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The issue is, is if the federal government ends the amnesty, everyone that has these firearms
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are now in unlawful, unauthorized possession of a prohibited firearm that triggers the criminal
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And now even let's say the Calgary police are obligated to serve a warrant on your home because
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So it doesn't, the, an Alberta firearms license doesn't protect you now they're working on
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it, but this is, I just want people to understand these are very complicated problems.
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Your government is working on it, but it's not something they can do in a week or just
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scratch a note on a piece of paper and file it in the legislature.
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So you got to be patient, keep the pressure up, but don't cut your nose off to spite your
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Just be really careful that you have a plan for both success and failure in your political
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goals so that you don't end up hurting yourself later.
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Cause the last thing you want is if let's say, and I was just mentioning this at the
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conference on the weekend, if there's a bid for, for independence in Alberta, and I think
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a lot of people are going all in on independence.
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And we can beat up on the UCP if they're not working fast enough.
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Well, what happens if you are unsuccessful and leaving Confederation now you beat up
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on the party that was helping you in so many ways, then there's an election and you end
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up with the NDP and you think you're, you're hurting now.
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And I do know the UCP is working very hard behind the scenes to protect law-abiding Canadian
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gun owners in a way that I don't think the other provinces really are.
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They're being as, as creative as they possibly can on this issue, but they do find themselves
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in these, in this zone of competing jurisdiction.
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And, you know, there is, you've, the firearms community does feel a sense of urgency, especially
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when, you know, there's the, the payout system will run out of money very quickly.
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And so, yeah, I, I get why they would stop and direct that urgency to the United Conservative
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Party because the United Conservative Party has been responsive to them when it's pretty
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clear that the liberals couldn't give a damn about us.
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Yeah, it's a, it's, it's a difficult situation.
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And, and as I said, we have the same problem in the, in the firearms community.
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It's like, yeah, and, and absolutely justifiably so, but they turn around and they start beating
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It's an, and, and throwing out all these, uh, purity tests.
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So if you, you know, people are saying to the, to the CCFR, you know, you should be advocating
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Like I can't counsel you to commit a criminal offense because that's a problem for me.
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And if the CCFR goes down, that's a real problem for all gun owners, right?
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So it's like you, you got to, and I mean, I'm telling, it's almost like I'm telling you
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this, Sheila, because I'm telling myself, you got to take it easy, take it down a couple
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Think about your situation, how you're going to solve this problem, what your options are.
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And the last thing we need is division in our community.
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And I'm hoping that if you asked me four months ago, I would have said this government's going
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to last three years and they're going to whatever, finish the job that Trudeau started.
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But more and more, I'm thinking this government might not last another year and that's going
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So hopefully we can get an election, we can elect a minority or majority government, warts
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and all, but we can work to, to within the party to get things headed in the right direction.
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And maybe we'll be able to get out of this without things getting worse than they are
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Sometimes in the pursuit of perfection, uh, people end up with failure.
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And, uh, I, I don't want that because it, I really don't think it could possibly be worse
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Maybe an NDP government, but also what's the difference between the liberals and an NDP
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Anyway, um, I'm, I'm glad to hear that you're hopeful that this government might not last.
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I mean, this Gary and Ed Sangry business is becoming a real problem for Mark Carney.
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He said he stands with the minister and I still don't understand why Gary and Ed Sangry
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is the minister at all, given his ties to Tamil extremism that were so deep that the Sri Lankan
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foreign ministry warned us about it back when his nomination papers were signed, uh, you
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So, um, I think maybe Gary and Ed Sangry was selected because he was just dumb enough to
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He was, he was selected for the same reason Marco Mendocino was selected.
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They just needed some dumb, dumb to throw in there, to get tarred and feathered right
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by the, by the press, by gunners, whatever, just to be a placeholder, to be tossed aside
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and back benched later once he's been used up and, and just keep this whole disarmament
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So that's, you know, I mean, you, you have really two kinds of ministers, right?
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You have the dumb, dumbs and I, you know, I usually don't use language like that, but
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And this is how they, this is how they keep that agenda rolling forward.
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Um, uh, on that dark note, Rod, thank you so much for giving me some time to explain this
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to me, because as I said, I've been in the ostrich universe for a few days.
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Um, but please tell us about what the CCFR is working on right now and how people can
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get involved because you do a very important work constantly.
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We might not hear about all the work that you're doing, but I know you and Tracy are constantly
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grinding the gears behind the scenes on behalf of law abiding Canadians.
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Well, our last project was our election project.
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We were the fifth largest third party advertiser in the entire country, including, you know, larger,
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larger advertising, uh, budget that we spent on the, on the election than even most of
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Um, this was, this last election was the most important in a generation.
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We, we even held, had TV ads during the Stanley Cup playoffs.
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Very difficult to actually to do that much less expensive.
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But anyway, if you want to help the CCFR continue to, um, punch the government in the face, you
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can do that at CCFR.ca, become a member or donate.
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Like that's, it's a great way to show your support for the firearms community.
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Um, just, you know, quite literally wear it on your sleeve and the shirts are fun.
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Uh, Tracy sends me a few every now and then, and I just love them, but I have to fight my
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Um, I, I appreciate all the work that you do on behalf of law abiding Canadians, whether
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they're a member of the CCFR or not, you're fighting for the firearms community and, and
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Uh, now is not the time for division and purity tests.
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We all need to work in the right direction, um, to make sure that we can still hang on
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As always in a regular gun show, the last portion of the show goes to you.
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If you've got something to say about the show with Rod or any of the work that we do at rebel
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news, and you want me to potentially read your letter on air, send me an email again.
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Please put gun show letters in the subject line.
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So I know why you're emailing me because I sometimes, depending on the controversial thing
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that I've said, or is happening in the world that you think you, you need to tell me about,
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So, and what you have to say, if you just put gun show letters in the subject line.
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Now, today's gun show comes to me by way of Terrence Rollick in Lacoma, Alberta.
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The recent Charlie Kirk tragedy allowed me to finally grasp the woke left's obsession with
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Because we're just talking about civil disarmament with Rod.
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And you sent me an email last week about civil disarmament.
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The conservatives believe that law-abiding licensed gun owners possess firearms for hunting,
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sports shooting, and self-defense in extreme situations where preservation of themselves
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and their loved ones leaves them with no other choice.
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The radical left believes, as has been so clearly shown, that firearms serve to eliminate
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This seems to be so ingrained in their ideology that they firmly believe that the right wing
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Hence, firearms must be removed from society for the sake of preserving the woke left.
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So the liberals are willing to spend billions of taxpayer dollars just to allow them this dubious
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Such paranoia makes no sense, but then nothing the woke left has done has ever made sense
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And that the liberals, and I don't mean the liberal government, I mean the liberals, people
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on the other side of the argument from us, they don't understand us because they think
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a certain way about the world and they must, they think that we must be the same.
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You know, when we see this rise of left wing violence with firearms, and even the Atlantic
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is saying that now, that yes, the left has a violence problem.
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And so, you know, the Atlantic is not actually a very conservative publication by any stretch
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of the imagination, but they are saying it now.
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But I think you have, there's some truth to what you're saying there, where the left knows
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that they have an inherent violence problem, and they probably shouldn't have access to
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We must have the same defects, impulses to violence, and we just don't.
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And actually, there's some data that plays that out.
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Michael Knowles talked about it on his show this week, and the reason I know that is because
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I had a very long drive home from the ostrich farm, and I just listened to Michael Knowles
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talk about this, where young conservatives, like the youngest conservatives, like 18 to
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35, when asked if they think that there is ever a reason to use violence to achieve their
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political gains, they are the least likely to say yes.
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And then the moderates are a little more than that.
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And then the liberals, I think it's like 30% of young liberals think it's okay to use
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violence to achieve political ends, which is, you know, kind of the definition of terrorism.
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So 30% of young liberals today think terrorism is justified to achieve their political ends.
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And that's why they want to ban guns from us, because they think we have the same defective
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impulses to violence that they do, and we just don't.
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And the point I was going to make is that we see this all the time with helping the underprivileged,
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We as conservatives, whether it be through our religious motivations or a sense of moral
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obligation to our community or whatever, we like to give charity voluntarily to the charities
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we want to give to, to the people that we want to help.
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Well, the liberals want the state to do that because they won't do it voluntarily, right?
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The liberals want all these enormous social programs paid for by our tax dollars because
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they know that they won't donate to charities out of the goodness of their heart.
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They just don't have that in them the way that conservatives do.
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So that's why they are like, the government should do it, because they cannot appropriately
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What, as I said, providential viewer email to me, not just on this topic, but, you know,
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the things that we're seeing in the world today.
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And interestingly enough, I just listened to the Michael Knowles show Wednesdays, Michael
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Knowles show, if you get a chance, please listen, because he breaks down all this data.
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And I was like, as you get lower in age, the conservative impulse to violence actually
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gets lower and the liberal impulse to violence actually gets higher.
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And yet they keep saying that we are responsible for all the political violence and the data just
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Thank you for your patience with me this week and to Olivia behind the scenes, who is going
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to do extra work because I insist on doing extra work to produce the show.
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And I'll see everybody back here in the same time.
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I could be back at the ostrich farm, but I will be doing my work no matter what I'm doing.
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And as we always say on the show here, don't let the government tell you that you've had