Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Carney’s Carbon Tax Shell Game： Hiding Costs from Consumers

00:00:00.000 Brand new Prime Minister Mark Carney says the carbon tax is gone, but is it or is it just

00:00:05.860 hiding? And is the consumer carbon tax really gone for good? I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're

00:00:10.540 watching The Gun Show. You know, it was quite a performative theatrical gesture of our new

00:00:34.120 Prime Minister Mark Carney when he did the whole Donald Trump executive order business signing

00:00:41.780 away the life of the carbon tax. He said he was canceling the consumer carbon tax, but did he

00:00:49.460 really do it that day? No. Now, according to environment minister or former environment

00:00:56.880 minister Stephen Gilboa, the carbon tax isn't gone. It's just been reduced to zero, which means that

00:01:05.920 it could go back up at any point. Look at this. Well, basically, following a decision by cabinet,

00:01:13.140 the price, the consumer price on pollution will be brought down to zero. So it's a regulatory measure

00:01:18.900 to bring the price to zero. And don't get it twisted. The liberals are not getting rid of

00:01:24.460 the carbon tax. What they're doing is hiding it in an upstream heavy emitters tax, which will mean

00:01:32.880 that the cost is passed along to Canadian consumers. However, it will be hidden from Canadian consumers

00:01:40.140 as a line item. You won't be able to see it on your natural gas bill, but it will definitely still be

00:01:47.360 there in the cost of your natural gas bill. Now, all that is to say, it is a win to make the liberals

00:01:56.760 concede that the carbon tax is unpopular because it makes life more expensive for Canadians. And one of

00:02:06.920 the people leading that charge for years is my guest today. It's Chris Sims of the Canadian Taxpayers

00:02:14.140 Federation to explain exactly what has happened with the consumer carbon tax and what Mark Carney

00:02:20.660 is proposing to do with the industrial heavy emitters carbon tax. Take a listen.

00:02:33.960 So joining me now is good friend of the show and my good personal friend, Chris Sims,

00:02:39.440 the Alberta director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. Chris, I wanted to have you on because I think

00:02:43.500 it's no small victory. And I think in large part to the advocacy of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation

00:02:51.680 that the liberals have committed, I don't want to say to scrapping, but reducing the carbon tax

00:03:00.380 currently to zero. And I want to preface that because the carbon tax is still on the books.

00:03:06.240 They're just reducing the rate to zero. And God only knows what will happen if they ever get reelected.

00:03:11.800 Um, but I think that's where we're at. Yeah, this is a tricky one, but it is a big victory. And if you don't

00:03:18.820 mind, I'll explain how. So this is a huge victory for normal everyday working Canadians. Now, yes, we know

00:03:27.920 we know he's not really getting rid of it. We know that he's just hiding it. Just bear with me for a second.

00:03:32.580 Okay. This is a huge win for normal everyday hardworking Canadians because we made the godfather of the

00:03:41.960 carbon tax stream uncle. Like this guy, he wrote a 507 page book praising carbon taxes. He's literally

00:03:52.660 the former UN special envoy on this topic. Okay. We made that guy, that guy admit out loud with his

00:04:02.340 face. Well, the carbon tax has to go. And we made him say that he's going to reduce it down to zero

00:04:09.700 immediately. Problem there is that the document actually said April 1st. So that was a bit of a

00:04:15.400 problem there too. But the reason why this is a win for Canadians isn't because it instantaneously is

00:04:21.900 removing the 17 cents per liter of gas and 21 cents per liter of diesel. No, it's because we forced

00:04:28.060 their hand so hard that even the liberal government has had to say, you know what, this issue is

00:04:35.620 kryptonite. It is radioactive. I'm running away from it. Now, will voters believe them? That's up to them.

00:04:44.380 That is up to individual Canadians to weigh their options and say, do I trust this team is actually

00:04:52.200 going to remove the carbon tax? And in fact, it's more clear cut than that because Carney has stated

00:04:58.400 clearly that he is going to change the carbon tax. His crowd was laughing at the idea of actually

00:05:06.380 axing this thing. No, he's just going to take it and hide it in the industrial carbon tax. But that is why

00:05:14.060 the Taxpayers Federation was very careful to say, wait a minute, wait a minute, this is a win, because we've

00:05:20.240 made these guys run for the hills.

00:05:23.740 Yeah. And, you know, I hope voters don't cut the liberals some slack on this issue, because as recently as like

00:05:31.780 four months ago and 90 seconds ago, it feels like Stephen Gilboa and Mark Holland were saying that you

00:05:39.340 were ruining the planet if you dared to take a family road trip in the family minivan, they made it so

00:05:49.400 that you were ruining your bank account if you took a family road trip in the family minivan because they

00:05:55.280 made it so expensive. They said a carbon tax is the most effective way to stop climate change.

00:06:01.020 And then they're repealing it after spending the last 10 years telling Canadians they were climate

00:06:06.740 murderers if they didn't if they didn't buckle up and pay this ever escalating inflationary carbon tax

00:06:15.340 on literally being alive in Canada. I think that's I hope Canadians see past the hypocrisy of it all, 0.93

00:06:23.760 because they've been called names for 10 years. The liberals are not our saviors on this issue. 0.59

00:06:28.560 They are buckling under public pressure. And I think those are two different things.

00:06:32.480 A big time. So the buckling under public pressure is something to celebrate, because the people have

00:06:40.080 said, hell no, I'm not putting up with this anymore. You guys yell uncle, and they made them do it.

00:06:46.500 So that is important. But exactly right. Believing them and looking through the devil in the details,

00:06:52.700 because this thing has got split hooves and horns. Okay, this is such a devil in this detail is super

00:06:59.300 important. I'll go one step further. So at the Taxpayers Federation, at like fighting this issue for

00:07:05.280 the last several years, I've done countless interviews on mainstream media, including debates

00:07:10.280 with people who fully supported the liberal government's carbon tax plan. They were in environmental

00:07:15.780 groups, things like that. I was called everything like a monster. My personal one that really annoys

00:07:22.820 me the most is climate change denier. Because words matter. And I can talk to you about this,

00:07:30.000 because you understand. Words matter. And the term denier has always been attached to the most

00:07:36.640 hideous thing possible, being a Holocaust denier. Like, I'm sorry for even saying that term out loud,

00:07:43.300 because it's so disgusting. And the people who were throwing this at normal everyday Canadians who

00:07:50.780 were saying, hey, the carbon tax costs way too much, and it's not actually helping the environment,

00:07:56.240 the people who were using that kind of language on those normal folks should be ashamed of themselves.

00:08:01.280 And a little bit of a pro tip to any politician who's in hot water, who is trying to say we should

00:08:06.260 scrap the carbon tax, don't let people call you that. Stop them and say, you know where that term

00:08:11.700 comes from? I reject your labeling me of that way. So to actually see now these same people,

00:08:19.180 the same crowd, keep in mind, Trudeau said that paying his carbon tax was more important than paying

00:08:26.040 your rent or feeding your kids. He said this, he jetted down to some up with people conference

00:08:31.840 in Brazil on your dime, burning, burning jet fuel the entire way. And he said this is more important

00:08:38.780 than that. So this is that crowd, who is now saying, or I'm going to back away from the carbon

00:08:44.960 tax. Now hope you didn't notice the nine years of hell we just put you through. Okay, this is a big

00:08:49.820 deal. But going forward, now we need to get into the details. What exactly are the conservatives going

00:08:56.360 to do with the carbon taxes? And what are the liberals going to do with the carbon taxes? Because

00:09:00.760 those are two hugely different things. Yeah, let's get into that. Because Mark Carney said he's scrapping

00:09:07.020 the consumer carbon tax, which I think is, as you said, words are important. He's scrapping the

00:09:14.760 consumer carbon tax because he doesn't want you to see the carbon tax on your bills as a line item.

00:09:21.480 He doesn't disagree with the carbon tax. He disagrees with you knowing how much the carbon tax is adding

00:09:28.340 to the cost of certain things. Now it's hidden in the cost of groceries and clothes and the things that

00:09:34.900 you buy that aren't energy. But you can see it in your gas bill. You can see it in your power bill. And

00:09:41.520 that's Mark Carney's problem with the carbon tax is that you know, and so it's unpopular. So he is proposing

00:09:50.560 to move it upstream to put it on manufacturing on what he calls large emitters. Well, now you don't know

00:09:58.320 why your appliances cost more. You just think, oh, things are just going up in price. Well, this is

00:10:03.760 why is because he added a carbon tax upstream at the steel mill. And that's why your stainless steel

00:10:10.400 appliances are $100 more for your fridge and $150 more for your stove. And and why new home construction

00:10:20.300 costs more and why your new condo costs more and why your car costs more. These are things that trickle

00:10:26.520 down to the consumer. They're not just going to get eaten by the manufacturer. He just doesn't want

00:10:31.460 you to know why your things cost more money. Yeah, exactly. The problem for globalist types of which

00:10:37.900 he is one and he has said so himself out loud with his face. He's super proud of it. In fact,

00:10:42.780 I can't get over the front cover of this book. Okay, Mark, Mark Carney's book values for folks who are

00:10:48.920 just listening on the audio, but I do recommend you subscribe so you can watch our video.

00:10:52.640 You can see that it's a picture of planet Earth that we all share with scaffolding around it.

00:11:00.560 So he's literally like I, Mark Carney, have a plan to fix the entire planet. Wow, buddy. Okay. So to

00:11:07.980 your point on on appliances and cars and steel construction for homes, we do use a lot of steel.

00:11:15.500 Steel is a mega industry in Canada. Okay, so he was really wrong to say how much steel are you using

00:11:22.360 around here? Because it wasn't true. To your point exactly, that is going to be costly. And that's

00:11:28.700 why I kind of got a kick out of his weird photo op that he chose to do at a steel plant. And he looked

00:11:36.280 like, I don't know if you're if you watch Blackadder, but there was a really great line. He's like,

00:11:41.180 you look like you're fitting in as much as a giraffe at a polar bear only golf club.

00:11:44.920 I said it looked like a woke Ghostbusters reboot. Their head helmets were all uncrooked and they just

00:11:52.080 did not know what they were doing. And and sorry to interrupt you, but real interesting for him to go

00:11:57.920 to a first of all, the steel mill he went to heavily government subsidized. I think 400 million dollars

00:12:06.600 from one of those accelerator funds for decarbonization from the federal government.

00:12:12.620 So interesting choice there. But, you know, Carney, all of a sudden, he's a defender of the steel

00:12:18.500 industry. Two weeks ago, he said that nobody uses steel and he's going to defend the steel industry

00:12:24.380 from Trump's tariffs while promising to slap a climate one on there. And I just think, wouldn't

00:12:29.440 you want to make the industry more competitive in a time in a time of tariffs? But instead, he's

00:12:34.800 cutting into their bottom line. Yeah, big time. And in two ways. So he wants to hide the consumer

00:12:40.000 carbon tax, which is exactly why it was annoying him, because us uppity peasants were noticing the

00:12:46.620 cost of the carbon tax. And that was the problem. In fact, a lot of global carbon tax cheerleaders

00:12:53.140 recommend heavy duty industrial carbon taxes or a cap and trade system, which is just a carbon tax by

00:13:00.980 another name, because us uppity peasants don't become irate voters to use their term. I think it

00:13:08.780 was the carbon tax center that pointed it out. That's a huge cheerleader for global carbon taxes. 0.95

00:13:14.180 So this is a way for politicians to be able to park their obsession with carbon taxes in a safer

00:13:21.000 harbor, because it's harder for us to notice how much we're getting screwed by it. But to your point

00:13:26.800 on the steel plant and what Carney's doing, one, he is going to hide the cost of the consumer carbon tax

00:13:34.920 in the industrial carbon tax, and then crank it up. By how much? We don't know, because he's not saying,

00:13:43.260 but we're going to be paying the thing. And exactly to your point, this has been missed by a lot of

00:13:50.500 people. When Carney announced his carbon tax thingamabob in Halifax, he said that whole thing

00:13:58.260 about hiding it. But the key thing there also that he said is he wants carbon tax tariffs. So on our

00:14:07.480 stuff that we bring in to Canada. So it goes something like this. And this is kind of the screenplay

00:14:14.280 for these kind of global thinking people who want planetary carbon taxes. It goes something like

00:14:20.540 this. Everybody should have carbon taxes around the entire planet. And if their voters slash people

00:14:27.300 don't want them, tough cookies. Okay, I'm watching my language. Tough cookies. We're going to cause

00:14:34.820 carbon tax tariffs around the world. So it goes something like this. A widget is produced in another

00:14:41.180 country that does not have a carbon tax. That upsets Mark Carney. Like it offends him. So as Prime

00:14:49.500 Minister, he is going to tariff that object as it comes across the border so that you and I, Canadians,

00:14:56.960 have to pay more for that object. Just imagine doing this while we're in the middle of this, you know,

00:15:04.360 frenzy about fearing tariffs on this side of the border. It was the weirdest thing. Second, and related,

00:15:11.180 so picture U.S. President Donald Trump. Okay, he's in the Oval Office. He's on the phone. He's

00:15:17.200 wheeling and dealing. He's trying to get all of these factories and manufacturers and industrialists

00:15:22.400 to move back to America, make the rust belt chrome again, set up in Pennsylvania, set up in Michigan.

00:15:28.620 And then what does Canada do? We impose a massive industrial carbon tax on our producers? Like those who

00:15:37.340 can, who can pack up and move their stuff south, why would they stick around here? Like why would 0.96

00:15:44.360 they do it? It's bizarre. Well, and this is what he was talking about when he went to the EU

00:15:50.480 as his first visit. Odd choice. Should have went to Washington. I think most people would agree with

00:15:57.960 that. We're in the middle of tariff mania. Your first trip probably should have been to Washington

00:16:02.720 instead to the place where we probably do five or ten percent trade with. But this is what they're

00:16:08.480 proposing in the EU. The EU says if you don't have a carbon tax on your goods, that's fine. We'll slap

00:16:16.460 it on on the way into the EU and the EU residents can just pay it for you. And imagine when we do so

00:16:24.880 much trade with the United States, they don't have a carbon tax. I can't imagine they're going to have

00:16:29.280 one anytime soon. Mark Carney will tax it anyway. This is what blows my mind. And if I can just slip

00:16:35.720 in a little plug, Franco Terrazzano, our federal director and my dear friend with the Canadian

00:16:42.280 Taxpayers Federation, he wrote a book on the carbon tax. And I'm just finishing voicing the audiobook for

00:16:49.120 it. So it should be out in April, the first few weeks of April. So in it, so Franco isn't just good

00:16:57.080 on TV. He actually has like a master's degree in economics. He's a super smart cookie. In it,

00:17:01.860 Franco actually gets into this and he points out, Sheila, like you said, number one, America,

00:17:08.400 the United States does not have a national carbon tax. In fact, Democratic President Barack Obama

00:17:16.180 backed off of having even a cap and trade system carbon tax. That guy. Okay. He said no to having a

00:17:25.100 carbon tax. Okay. Joe Biden didn't have a carbon tax. Kamala Harris did not even suggest having one.

00:17:33.740 Okay. So yeah, safe bet that Trump isn't planning a national carbon tax for the United States.

00:17:41.020 And exactly to your point, like our biggest trading partner. And by that, we mean like billions and

00:17:47.860 billions and billions of dollars crossing that border. So much so that some of our industries are

00:17:52.800 integrated to the point where a car park crosses the border like 18 times before it hits the road.

00:17:58.400 Okay. Like the mentality of saying, oh, well, you know, France won't want our Okanagan wines.

00:18:05.120 They're going to tariff it. So we're going to say we should punish ourselves across Canada every day

00:18:11.580 with huge carbon taxes on our own people. You know what? Let the good folks of the European Union

00:18:18.360 get mad at their own leaders for slapping their tariffs on their stuff that they have to buy at

00:18:25.620 their little bougie stores or whatever. That's up to them to figure out because it's going to be them

00:18:30.980 that is paying more for the stuff. The idea of punishing ourselves here in Canada with a cross 0.99

00:18:38.420 the board carbon tax on everything, including an industrial carbon tax is madness. We are absolutely

00:18:45.080 doing this the wrong way right now. We should be at the negotiating table hammering out a new deal

00:18:50.140 so that we don't have a stupid trade tariff war because tariffs are just trade taxes. That's all 0.99

00:18:57.760 they are. Okay. If Donald Trump, US president Donald Trump has a tariff on stuff coming from Canada to

00:19:04.660 the United States, that makes stuff cost more for Americans. If we do retaliatory tariffs, it just makes 0.97

00:19:11.900 stuff cost more for us at the store. It's wild. And so we're really hoping that cooler heads prevail

00:19:17.800 here. But shooting ourselves in both feet with carbon tax tariff and a huge industrial carbon tax

00:19:24.680 is dumb. And we should not do that. Oh, well, and why would you like what I what I find so galling 0.96

00:19:32.780 is Canadians didn't vote for Emmanuel Macron's climate policies. So why do we have to inflict them on

00:19:39.360 ourselves? Because Mark Carney wants to be the leader of the anti Trump cabal in the world because

00:19:44.260 that's what his little European gas guzzling tour was all about. He met with Keir Starmer, he met with 0.94

00:19:50.920 Macron, trying to rally the anti Trump troops. And for that, we have to concede our own climate policy

00:19:58.740 to align with the EU. We don't have to do that. If the EU wants to tax his citizens, that's not my

00:20:03.700 problem. No, 70, 70% of the world's countries do not have a national carbon tax. Including China,

00:20:13.140 by the way, imagine having to climate tariff all the goods coming in from China. You know what

00:20:17.720 that'll do to the dollar store? It'll be more like the 250 store. Wild. Hey, already, it's sad seeing

00:20:23.060 that at Dollar Tree, Dollar Tree used to be always $1.25 or $1. Now, I'm noticing I think most stuff is up

00:20:31.280 to two bucks now. And I will point out like I just go there for fun stuff. Like I don't require to shop

00:20:36.340 there. I just like doing so because it's fun. But I will point out and I won't cry. But there are some

00:20:42.380 people who can only shop there. And when you increase the cost of the stuff in that store, like you are

00:20:48.420 hurting the poorest people in Canada. And it's rough to see that. And so this is where I just my scalp is

00:20:55.720 crawling right now, Sheila. These stupid trade tariff wars just hurt poor people and working 1.00

00:21:03.300 people. And they absolutely need to knock this off. And they need to do things smarter. And this is why 1.00

00:21:09.380 artificially increasing the cost of everything through carbon taxes is really, really bad for

00:21:16.580 normal working people. And we have to stop doing it. That's why we were so over the moon thrilled

00:21:22.860 when we heard Pierre Polyev come out and say, you know what, I'm getting rid of all of this. I'm

00:21:29.180 getting rid of the consumer carbon tax. I'm getting rid of the industrial carbon tax, the whole enchilada,

00:21:34.140 because that does two things. It removes the hidey hole for politicians to shove the cost of the carbon

00:21:41.540 tax into and just screw us with that huge tax. It takes away that cave, that hiding hole. And two,

00:21:48.400 it reduces the cost of everything, because to your point, there's steel for sure. But do you think a

00:21:55.020 fuel refinery is going to be eating the cost? No, it's going to come down through the pump, through

00:22:00.540 the hose to gasoline and diesel. Same thing goes for natural gas. So we're just going to be in the

00:22:06.060 same pot of boiling water. We just won't be able to see why we got there. Right. And I was happy to

00:22:14.340 hear Polyev acknowledge, like, steel is the skeleton of modern society, right? Like, it's so crazy to

00:22:22.960 say, like, what do we even use steel for? I guess you don't see the construction workers in your

00:22:29.340 mansion, Mark Carney, but they're building stuff every day. And that's just one industry. When they

00:22:36.340 talk about heavy emitters, they're talking about agriculture. You know, they're talking about food,

00:22:42.280 they're talking about oil and gas, they're talking about cement and concrete. They're talking about

00:22:48.560 everything. So what you're saying, Sheila, is that they're only talking about food, warmth and shelter?

00:22:55.580 Like, that's it? That's it. That's fine. Just, you know, that's totally optional. I can give that up.

00:23:00.160 It's fine. Everything's fine. Like, here. I canceled my Disney Plus. I'm gonna be fine.

00:23:05.660 Like, this, this is metal. This is steel. This has been manufactured. Like, thank you. Like,

00:23:13.340 even simple things like that. It, this, you know, this is where it gets frustrating,

00:23:18.080 because we always wind up paying more. Like, the normal average working Canadian always winds up

00:23:22.920 getting screwed. And I think the latest data from the Fraser Institute showed about 48-ish percent

00:23:28.000 of our wealth goes to taxes, more so than food and clothing. It is the dumbest thing ever. 0.99

00:23:36.080 I will point out, this is where it's frustrating, for someone like Dr. Mark Carney to say something 0.99

00:23:43.120 so flippant as, whoa, we don't really use steel. Okay, number one, I already knew that we used a lot

00:23:49.220 of steel because I've been in the game for a while. Number two, it took me eight seconds on Google

00:23:55.380 to find out how many people it employs in Canada and how important it was to our GDP. The answer is

00:24:02.060 a lot and very, okay? So, the fact that he would say something like that while he has his undergrad

00:24:09.680 in economics from Harvard, he has his PhD from Oxford in economics, like, not basket weaving.

00:24:19.100 So, why is he thinking that we can tax our lifeblood, the production of food and fuel and

00:24:27.780 shelter, and everything's going to be fine for affordability? It's not. It's not going to work.

00:24:33.860 And this is what we really need to drive home for Canadians so they understand this. He's not just

00:24:38.400 some grandfatherly calm dude who can be, you know, the calm person to Trump's, you know, chaos. No.

00:24:45.060 Look at what he actually proposes and what he wants to do. He wants to keep more than 80%

00:24:51.000 of oil and gas in the ground. He quotes Bill Gates and Greta Thunberg in this book repeatedly over and

00:24:59.440 over and over again. Like, carbon taxes are a keystone to his worldview. The idea of him suddenly

00:25:07.740 saying no carbon taxes, it's all totally fine, that is like a vegan ordering a steak. Like, I don't know

00:25:15.420 about you, I'm going to watch him choke that thing down, and then I'm following him out to the parking

00:25:20.040 lot to make sure he doesn't yak it back up. Because I don't believe this. Sorry. I know, are you in Lent?

00:25:26.280 Yes. I'm probably making you hungry. You are. I'm sorry.

00:25:32.240 You are indeed. Uh, before I let you go, uh, I won't, I'm getting bounced because I said yaks 1.00

00:25:38.680 on our show. No, no, it's because I'm so hungry. So hungry. So, so hungry. So missing a steak. Um,

00:25:46.440 before I let you go, um, and I'm, the only reason I'm cutting you off is because I have to host a

00:25:52.600 live stream, right? Like, momentarily. Um, let us know how we can first get Franco's book

00:26:00.440 and support the Canadian Taxpayers Federation because you are, uh, doing great work. I think

00:26:08.320 you should take responsibility and a victory lap for the cancellation of the consumer carbon tax.

00:26:13.420 Uh, this is what an army of motivated people who are in touch with each other can do to put

00:26:19.160 pressure on politicians. Big time. Thank you for that. And it was our supporters. It's like

00:26:23.600 hundreds of thousands of them have been sending emails and making phone calls and really standing

00:26:28.460 up for themselves for years. And this is why the carbon tax is now radioactive. Franco's book,

00:26:34.800 you can pre-order it. It's on Amazon. It's called the rise and fall of the carbon tax in Canada,

00:26:40.720 or you can just look up his name. His name says author on it. Now, if you Google it, it's so cool.

00:26:45.260 Um, so yeah, it's all available on Amazon. The audio book should be available for pre-order as

00:26:50.660 well pretty soon. So that would be lovely. Cause he just gives you the whole enchilada when this

00:26:55.020 thing started in 2008 and also the fight ahead, exactly the stuff I was talking about, the pressure

00:27:00.380 to have global carbon taxes, all of that stuff. Cause this will not be over as Rambo said. So go to

00:27:06.940 Amazon pre-order his book cause people can. Second, um, I would love for people to sign up with the

00:27:12.300 Canadian taxpayers federation and they can do it for free. Okay. Go to taxpayer.com, find a petition

00:27:18.200 that speaks to you like canceling the gun grab, defunding the CBC or scrapping all carbon taxes,

00:27:24.900 including hidden carbon taxes. And that makes you part of the army. And so the next, next time we're

00:27:30.080 going to massively fight something like the carbon tax, you'll be on that list and you'll be part of

00:27:35.820 our email army and our phone call army and taxpayer.com. And also, if I may, it lets you know

00:27:41.520 you're not alone. It gives me a sense of fellowship. I, we reply to all the emails ourselves and it

00:27:46.860 really builds a community. So it'd be lovely for people to join up. Chris, I just want to thank you

00:27:52.120 so much. And like I said, take this victory lap on the carbon tax, consumer carbon tax, pardon me.

00:27:57.840 You deserved it. Um, you've helped so many millions of Canadian families, um, with your advocacy and

00:28:04.920 your hard work. And I'm just happy to call you a friend and an ally. It means a lot to me. And

00:28:09.720 likewise, let's land this plane. Thank you. We've come to the portion of the show as always,

00:28:20.880 where I turn the show over to you. This is the comment section where you get to have your say

00:28:25.640 because without you, there's no rebel news. So in an effort to stay constantly connected to the people

00:28:31.540 who support us or even those who don't, because I want to know what they think too. Uh, I go looking

00:28:37.860 in the comment section of YouTube and rumble for what you have to say about our work, or you can

00:28:44.200 email me directly. Sheila at rebel news.com put gun show letters in the subject line. So I know

00:28:50.160 why you're emailing me and who knows, you might just see your comment, question, concern,

00:28:56.160 or criticism read by me on air. Now today it's hate mail time or not hate mail, but, um, tone policing

00:29:03.640 time. Uh, somebody who disagreed with my take on, I think something that is of public interest, uh,

00:29:14.260 to Canada. And it comes to us by way of Juno news who broke the story that Mark Carney's child

00:29:22.180 is transgender or at least uses they, them pronouns. The child's name is Sasha and Mark Carney allowed

00:29:37.700 his child who was a minor at the time to go to the discredited Tavistock clinic where now 1000 plus

00:29:47.820 families are suing the clinic. Now it's closed for forcing kids who were otherwise mentally ill 0.64

00:29:56.000 into the medicalized gender affirming pathway. If you're picking up what I'm putting down,

00:30:03.360 uh, when what they clearly needed was mental health help. And now I don't actually care. As I said,

00:30:13.220 in a live stream discussion earlier this week, and this comment comes from the YouTube clip

00:30:21.080 of our live stream discussion, my friend and lease Merle revenue news contributor from Saskatchewan,

00:30:28.980 we were talking about this issue because there's a lot of shut up. Don't talk about this. This is a man's

00:30:33.620 child. It's got nothing to do with politics coming from the left, definitely, but also the right.

00:30:40.940 And generally I believe with that stuff. I believe in that leave the families out of it. Uh, somebody's

00:30:50.080 family is their own business. Definitely. But his child is a public figure. Who's 24 now who has

00:30:56.620 written extensively as an adult about their time at Tavistock and their journey.

00:31:05.380 Sasha is a political activist. That's his child's name now. And so the child has put

00:31:16.940 this in the public. And so you don't just put something in the public and say, no, you can't

00:31:25.300 talk about it. You can't talk about this issue that everybody is talking about. That is an international

00:31:32.860 issue, especially given the path the Trump administration is taking on this banning, uh,

00:31:38.800 men from playing against women and women's sports and, um, banning transgenders from the military. So

00:31:45.480 it's a big deal. And Alberta and Saskatchewan are carving a different way on this issue within

00:31:52.380 confederation. And so here's why I think this is an issue. And I, you can go find this video where I

00:31:59.400 make this point. It's an issue because it begs multiple questions. Now, as we know, Mark Carney

00:32:10.800 is terrible at keeping his personal stuff separated from his political stuff. We know this with his,

00:32:20.620 uh, problems with conflicts of interest with Brookfield asset management. That was the company

00:32:27.020 he used to be the chair of, which he only now he's put his assets in a blind trust. Uh, even though

00:32:34.680 his assets were directly impacted by the policy advice he was giving Justin Trudeau for the last

00:32:43.240 five years. So he's got a real tough time keeping his personal business out of the political realm.

00:32:48.860 And I want to know if he's going to do the same on this issue. We know that Pierre Poliev was asked by

00:32:55.620 the mainstream media, how many genders he thinks there are. He says two correct answer. Now I want 1.00

00:33:03.120 to know what Mark Carney thinks, especially since Mark Carney is the prime minister. I also want to

00:33:09.240 know what he thinks about biological men occupying women's spaces, for example, in their change rooms,

00:33:15.840 in their prisons, in their sports. Does he think that's okay or no? I also want to know how Mark Carney

00:33:24.620 feels about by a gender transition for minors and to do these things behind the backs of parents,

00:33:31.580 because in Alberta, we say no way, Jose. So this is a public policy issue. Now that I know

00:33:41.700 that this is a personal issue for Mark Carney. We know that DEI programs and the DEI colonization

00:33:52.120 of the developing world by Canada is, I think it's an $11 billion taxpayer bill. That's how much it

00:34:04.480 costs for us to fund gender nonsense in the developing world, let alone to fund it in Canada. We also know 0.95

00:34:10.880 that there are DEI targets in the Canadian military, making it go woke and causing a crisis of enlistment,

00:34:20.780 but also retention. We know that the federal government has been funding proxy groups,

00:34:33.620 activist groups, sex activists, to fight provincial governments like Alberta and Saskatchewan in court

00:34:41.880 when they make efforts to protect future reproductive choices of minors and parents' rights.

00:34:47.860 So I want to know, given Mark Carney's close personal ties to this issue, how that bodes

00:35:00.080 for Canadian policy going forward? Because I reiterate, this guy has a real tough time keeping

00:35:05.960 his personal stuff out of his professional political realm. Will this just be more of the same

00:35:12.860 or even worse? So that's why I think this, even though there's a constant shut uppery around it,

00:35:22.460 why I think it is entirely relevant for the Canadian public to know and now ask questions. And that is

00:35:29.700 my personal questions aside, like what kind of father sends his child to the butchers of the Tavistock

00:35:38.720 clinic? As a minor, I question your judgment. As a parent, that's just like a personal thing that I would,

00:35:50.740 it leaves a sour, vomitous taste in my mouth when I think about it. But that's my personal assessment of Mark Carney.

00:35:59.680 But there are policy implications here that we should talk about. Now, we discussed it at length

00:36:06.020 on the live stream, like I said, myself and Lise Merle. And one lady left a lengthy comment

00:36:14.660 criticizing our takes as mothers of girls, as women who have, I think, a right to sex-separated spaces.

00:36:25.640 Um, and many of you know, I have a female athlete in my household who plays a contact sport and she 1.00

00:36:33.620 should not be forced to play against, uh, competitors who have undergone male puberty,

00:36:41.120 uh, for her own safety, but also for fairness, right? Um, so I have a deep personal connection to this

00:36:48.460 being one of the 50% of the population that happens to be female. But anyway, Sharon writes,

00:36:57.740 ladies, ladies, please calm down. I don't like how Carney came to be our prime minister, 1.00

00:37:03.800 but I don't see any of it as any of my business, what his daughter has done.

00:37:10.240 I just explained why I think it is our business, not what his daughter has done, but what are the

00:37:18.380 policy implications for Canada? Now that we have a prime minister who has this in his family and

00:37:25.940 like I made, like the point I made in our live stream discussion, it's really actually no surprise 0.80

00:37:33.800 that a witch, uh, a witch, a rich white transatlantic liberal man might have this in his family. In fact,

00:37:47.120 uh, it, it's expected. I mean, that's why half of Hollywood has trans kids, right? Like it's the 0.99

00:37:55.640 new NDP lawn sign or Democrat lawn sign in your family. Um, it's no surprise. Uh, but now that we all

00:38:06.900 know, I want to know what this means for my daughters anyways, I don't see it as any of my business, what

00:38:15.840 his daughter has done. Actually, I don't, like I said, I don't care about his daughter. I don't even care what

00:38:22.840 daughter's name is, but his daughter has been very public about this and wears her politics on her

00:38:28.200 sleeve. If she's happier now with herself than she was, then good for her. Okay. But also we know

00:38:35.300 statistics show that often isn't the case. I'm sure as a father, he was trying just to make her happy

00:38:41.380 living on this earth and apparently becoming a trans person. She is now. So be it none of our 1.00

00:38:48.940 business. Again, I just explained for the last eight minutes, why this is our business. Now we

00:38:54.160 all need to calm down. I think she means we know there is only two real genders, male and female, 0.99

00:39:00.020 but some people just can't accept it. And yes, there are children who do feel like they were born in the

00:39:05.440 wrong body. I agree. That is the case, but do we affirm that on minors? Because kids change their 0.88

00:39:16.760 minds all the time. I have a level headed university daughter who has changed her career path twice in 1.00

00:39:26.420 the last year. So, and she's a very level headed, cool as a cucumber kind of kid. I think kids who are

00:39:37.220 struggling with this should not have medical interventions done on them, particularly when

00:39:42.740 the medical interventions are forever.

00:39:52.520 Anyways, and yes, there are children who do feel like they were born in the wrong body. So be it.

00:39:56.620 They need love and understanding, not hate. I actually in the video expressed nothing but empathy

00:40:03.720 for Mark Carney's child. Let's all try to see things from their side without the holier than thou attitude.

00:40:12.740 Okay. Transgenderism is not going away, but I do agree. We need to do more to help the ones who feel

00:40:22.240 this way. Okay. Then why are you telling me to be quiet and be more understanding of people who would

00:40:30.480 medically intervene on children? I think that's where we're at on this.

00:40:34.640 And just maybe they will wait until they are old enough to make the decisions about their bodies

00:40:42.180 that they would like. Not maybe. They must wait. They must wait. You can't get a tattoo as a minor.

00:40:49.380 You can't pierce your ears as a minor, but we're giving minors cross-sex hormones? That's crazy town. 0.95

00:40:55.280 Mark Carney is a human with feelings just like the rest of us. And I'm sure he thought he was doing

00:41:03.760 the right thing for his daughter at the time. Please try and do better. If being okay with cross-sex 1.00

00:41:14.260 hormones being given to minor children means I'm doing better, then I'm going to do much, much worse.

00:41:25.560 Okay. I'm going to be worse then. You can be better. You can be better while people experiment

00:41:32.760 on children and I'll be worse. And we'll just see in 10 years who is right. How's that?

00:41:38.560 Well, everybody, that's the show for today. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody

00:41:43.280 back here in the same time, in the same place next week. Thanks for indulging me on the very

00:41:47.840 long last segment on the show. And as I always say, don't let the government tell you that you've

00:41:54.560 had too much to think.

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