Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ CBC faces independent investigation calls over anti-Israel bias

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00:00:57.980 Does CBC have a chronic anti-Semitism problem?

00:01:01.540 And if so, what should become of the state broadcaster for it?

00:01:05.080 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:01:07.900 When was the last time you saw a pro-Israel voice amplified on the mainstream media?

00:01:31.900 I watched the mainstream media in the course of my job, you know, to hold them to account.

00:01:39.140 And frankly, I can't remember.

00:01:41.400 Well, there's an organization that points out that anti-Israel bias in the mainstream media and then asks to change it.

00:01:50.260 It's Honest Reporting Canada.

00:01:51.600 And joining me today is their executive director, Mike Fagelman, to talk about Honest Reporting Canada's work to hold the mainstream media to account

00:02:01.060 and what they would like to see happen with regard to the CBC's pernicious anti-Israel bias.

00:02:09.740 Take a listen.

00:02:13.240 Joining me now is Mike Fagelman from Honest Reporting Canada.

00:02:17.460 Mike, I've never had you on the show.

00:02:19.200 That is to my great regret because I am such a follower of the important accountability journalism that Honest Reporting Canada does

00:02:26.380 to hold people to account for not telling the full story.

00:02:31.920 Mike, tell us a little bit about what Honest Reporting Canada does.

00:02:36.280 Sure.

00:02:36.620 Well, thank you, Sheila, for having me on the program.

00:02:38.940 Honest Reporting Canada was conceived in 2003 and we do one thing and we do it really well.

00:02:45.020 We ensure fair and accurate Canadian media coverage of Israel.

00:02:48.520 We monitor all of Canada's news outlets, whether print, broadcast, electronic, academic, alternative, French, English, Arabic,

00:02:57.180 trying to make sure that journalists are telling the truth.

00:03:00.360 They're not disguising their opinion as news, that they are doing what they are tasked to do,

00:03:05.160 to be objective, to be neutral, and to provide real journalism about what's transpiring.

00:03:12.420 And it sounds like you have a very big job on your hands because it is really one-sided coverage.

00:03:19.480 And look, I'm the first person who will say, I'm biased, but I'm not making anybody pay for it.

00:03:25.140 And I'm honest about that.

00:03:26.940 And I think the mainstream media frequently presents itself as completely unbiased, middle of the road,

00:03:33.640 and then their coverage is anything but.

00:03:36.800 And then there's this extra layer of government funding added on the top of it, particularly with CBC.

00:03:43.200 But now, I guess, with the vast majority of media in this country,

00:03:47.960 and I think if you're going to take government money and then simultaneously claim to be completely neutral on the issue,

00:03:56.000 I think you have a real responsibility to at least try to present yourself that way.

00:04:02.360 Yeah, I mean, look, everybody has a bias.

00:04:06.280 It's impossible to deny that.

00:04:08.440 But a professional journalist is tasked to set those personal views aside.

00:04:13.920 And, you know, as it relates specifically to the Canadian Broadcast Corporation,

00:04:17.980 which is, I think, if my numbers are correct, $1.4 billion in annual funding of taxpayer dollars,

00:04:23.920 the journalism, by and large, is tunnel vision of one-sided anti-Israel coverage,

00:04:31.700 where there's a jaundiced view and a lack of a marketplace of ideas, certainly about Israel in the Middle East,

00:04:38.120 where you have journalists who are effectively putting a magnifying glass on Israel.

00:04:42.960 Anything it does or does not do is under scrutiny.

00:04:46.520 And, look, criticism is healthy.

00:04:49.040 It's part of a vibrant democracy.

00:04:51.260 But when that criticism singles out Israel for opprobrium and exclusive censure,

00:04:56.820 that it demonizes the Jewish state, it holds it to an unfair double, even a triple standard,

00:05:02.980 and it delegitimizes its very existence,

00:05:06.000 what that actually translates to is its complicity in the fanning of claims of hatred against the Jewish people

00:05:12.140 and the nation-state of the Jewish people.

00:05:13.840 So the stakes are very high, and, you know, it's not a surprise to any of your viewers

00:05:18.080 about what domestic Jewish community and worldwide Jewish community is experiencing,

00:05:23.520 which is, you know, quite frankly, it's not even a tidal wave of anti-Semitic Jew hatred.

00:05:29.120 It's a tsunami that has, quite frankly, become ubiquitous,

00:05:34.540 where there's this normalization, I might even say weaponization,

00:05:39.960 of toxic hatred against the Jewish people.

00:05:42.020 So, I guess I'll ask you, what role do you think this one-sided journalistic coverage of Israel

00:05:48.800 from, by and large, the mainstream, what do you think that role,

00:05:52.580 what is the role in really exacerbating that, I'll be frank,

00:05:56.900 the Jew hate we see on the streets of Canada's major municipalities?

00:06:01.120 I mean, it is, like, in Jewish communities, it's not just, you know,

00:06:05.560 an anti-Semitic march, you know, through town.

00:06:09.940 It's now targeting Jewish communities.

00:06:12.060 And so, I guess, what is the role of the one-sided media coverage of this?

00:06:17.220 Sure.

00:06:17.440 Well, look, if you look at what anti-Semitism is, it is an irrational hatred of Jews.

00:06:23.040 It is not that Jews did something or didn't do something that has caused this.

00:06:27.060 But what the media coverage does is it provides fuel to the fire.

00:06:31.980 When Canadians are told that Israel is not a people who were on the receiving end of a genocide,

00:06:39.020 but were the actual ones committing it,

00:06:41.060 when they are told that they are inflicting upon the innocent Gazan population a famine,

00:06:47.020 that's committing war crimes and ethnic cleansing,

00:06:49.140 every possible buzzword without looking at the context,

00:06:51.920 without actually doing its due diligence and providing the truth,

00:06:55.400 it's not a surprise that some of the media coverage ends up being a bit of a dog whistle to people

00:07:01.540 that serves them with not just an incentive,

00:07:04.220 but a rationale for them to specifically target the Jewish people.

00:07:10.300 And, you know, in a climate where there's far too much of an allowance,

00:07:15.360 a passing of responsibility for regular stakeholders,

00:07:18.900 whether political or police, to actually try to wring all the hatred that is in our midst.

00:07:25.720 Yeah, I think it sort of legitimizes for people who hold this irrational Jew hate.

00:07:34.280 When they can point to the CBC and say,

00:07:36.920 see, they said it on the CBC,

00:07:39.200 it sort of justifies the way they feel,

00:07:42.840 and it is completely grounded in nothing.

00:07:46.800 I love how you said that.

00:07:48.100 It creates a veneer of legitimacy.

00:07:51.040 I mean, look, I'll tell you,

00:07:52.100 Canadian journalists, by and large,

00:07:54.140 my experience sometimes feel like they're immune to criticism,

00:07:57.540 which is, you know, not a surprise,

00:07:59.880 but certainly not healthy.

00:08:02.240 And there's this lack of acknowledgement of their own fallibility,

00:08:09.160 a lack of just a simple need to atone for their journalistic shortcomings.

00:08:15.220 I mean, I'll give you an example.

00:08:16.560 When we had CBC just a week or two weeks ago,

00:08:20.380 who produced an article that depicted an organization that glorifies Hamas terrorism as being,

00:08:27.540 in parentheses, I quote,

00:08:29.220 a human rights group.

00:08:30.260 This is not just a gross sanitization of real extremists in society.

00:08:36.520 This grants them that kind of a legitimacy.

00:08:40.220 So it's not a surprise that in a world of misinformation and disinformation,

00:08:44.920 that, you know, it's so difficult to discern facts and fiction,

00:08:49.560 that our media are really complicit into misleading Canadians.

00:08:53.680 You know, I'm glad you brought that up because I was sort of thinking about how this all happens.

00:09:00.160 And there's a real playbook in a lot of these mainstream media organizations,

00:09:06.060 CDC, Toronto Star, and some of the other ones.

00:09:09.640 And it is exactly what you pointed out,

00:09:12.040 where they are not presenting the fulsome view of the person that they're talking to.

00:09:19.240 So it's the catch-all phrase of a human rights activist.

00:09:23.660 Well, I believe I am that too, but I'm a lot of other things too.

00:09:28.060 And so they don't, you know, they say this is an anti-war activist

00:09:32.360 or a human rights activist or an anti-Islamophobia activist,

00:09:36.840 but they don't drill out and say,

00:09:38.940 and they said these crazy things about the Jews and October 7th.

00:09:43.220 And again, it's dishonest at the end of the day.

00:09:47.500 It is, and I would even argue that what you're pointing to,

00:09:52.000 which is typically regarded as the most egregious form of media bias,

00:09:56.560 which is biased by omission, is the most troublesome.

00:09:59.980 An example that's happened recurringly with CBC

00:10:03.380 is they've platformed a Gaza-based, quote-unquote,

00:10:07.380 they say freelance journalist who is openly linked to the Iranian regime,

00:10:12.840 works for Press TV, which is Iran's propaganda organ.

00:10:17.420 And if you go to his social media handle on Twitter or any of his other platforms,

00:10:22.060 it's just open anti-Israel hate, pro-Hamas sympathies,

00:10:26.120 talks about them having virtues of morality.

00:10:30.460 You know, this is somebody that CBC platforms,

00:10:33.080 who is, we believe, paid by the Iranian regime.

00:10:36.620 CBC doesn't disclose that this is somebody who is working for Press TV

00:10:41.240 and doesn't mention that the Canadian government in 2022

00:10:44.960 sanctioned Press TV as an outlawed organization.

00:10:49.400 So the kind of concealing of this information,

00:10:53.120 it serves to mislead Canadians who, you know,

00:10:57.600 they should have a trust in their public broadcaster,

00:11:01.960 but it's not a surprise that they don't.

00:11:03.380 So, I guess, talking about just the level of bias,

00:11:11.080 what do you, and I'm going to ask you to just give your anecdotal assessment,

00:11:15.620 unless you do have some scientific analysis of this,

00:11:18.540 but what do you think the balances of airtime given to these anti-Israel,

00:11:23.840 anti-Semitic human rights activists versus, you know,

00:11:28.820 pro-Israel community members, organizations, CJA, yours?

00:11:34.760 Like, what do you think is the weight between the two groups

00:11:38.840 when you're watching broadcast or written publications?

00:11:42.940 Right.

00:11:43.220 I like how you framed it in terms of weighting,

00:11:45.480 because what anybody wants on any issue,

00:11:47.840 whether it's global international relations or local domestic politics,

00:11:52.660 you want a balanced, equitable marketplace of ideas on an issue

00:11:56.180 so that we can form our own answers and make our own judgment.

00:11:59.560 But as it relates to the CBCs and me,

00:12:01.740 they can quite jaundice coverage of Israel in the Middle East.

00:12:06.560 I would say you've got probably a five-to-one ratio

00:12:11.580 in terms of sources that are anti-Israel versus pro-Israel.

00:12:15.860 And you have wall-to-wall different CBC programs,

00:12:20.040 whether it's on radio or TV or the website,

00:12:23.180 which are giving platforms to individuals who,

00:12:26.760 whether they're NGOs or politicians or just extremists,

00:12:29.860 to voice their concerns about anything Israel does or doesn't do,

00:12:34.640 while very rarely giving an Israeli or pro-Israel commentator

00:12:39.660 the opportunity to speak.

00:12:41.440 I cannot recall the last time I saw or heard a CBC radio or TV program

00:12:49.580 that interviewed a pro-Israel spokesperson

00:12:52.160 to speak about the issues of the day.

00:12:55.900 And you would think that, you know, both sides of the coin,

00:13:00.280 but it's just not happening.

00:13:02.260 And even under scrutiny, CBC will argue,

00:13:06.720 well, look, you have to look at things as if they're going to balance out over time.

00:13:12.760 You can't look at things in isolation.

00:13:14.700 And we'll say to them, look, if you go to our website,

00:13:17.220 we flag in detail, chapter and verse, all of your reports.

00:13:23.000 And we do a quantitative and a qualitative analysis,

00:13:26.480 and we are proving that you are not providing balanced journalism,

00:13:30.540 that this is a systemic issue.

00:13:32.460 And even the CBC's ombudsman on the recent reviews has said

00:13:37.940 and has gone on record in saying that CBC has not proven

00:13:41.260 that they are procuring balance in their reporting of Israel.

00:13:44.760 So, and I don't think that they care.

00:13:47.740 Again, I mentioned the term immunity to criticism.

00:13:51.460 I think perhaps this is a badge of honour for them.

00:13:55.840 They have no shame.

00:13:56.920 But the ramifications are very serious.

00:14:00.640 You know, what's reported today becomes domestic and even international policy.

00:14:05.500 Right.

00:14:05.700 What's reported today gives legitimacy to the guy on Shepard

00:14:11.420 cause playing as Yaya Sinwar at the end of the day.

00:14:17.160 It does.

00:14:17.960 And look, you know, I'm a firm believer that sunlight is the best disinfectant.

00:14:22.560 And, you know, for Sheila, you're in Alberta, I'm in Toronto,

00:14:28.620 that there's this every, I believe it's every Friday,

00:14:31.440 there's this rally where the antagonist anti-Israel community comes together.

00:14:36.260 You have a guy who's cosplaying as Sinwar.

00:14:38.460 And I would like to think that, you know,

00:14:41.180 whether a news outlet would choose to cover it or not.

00:14:44.100 I mean, Canadians need to know that there are people in society

00:14:48.320 who extol the virtues that raping and murdering and mutilating, 0.71

00:14:52.280 holding innocents hostage, that they believe that to be virtuous.

00:14:57.240 You know, this is the hate that is in our midst.

00:14:59.760 We have to name and shame this and expose it.

00:15:02.600 Now, I want to ask you about the ways that you do hold these media outlets to account.

00:15:09.760 And you've got a lot of different ways, but go through some of that,

00:15:15.640 because you do actually get corrections and changes sometimes to the reporting.

00:15:23.300 So it is all not just exposure.

00:15:26.720 I think, you know, when you measure something, you change it.

00:15:30.460 And I think you're doing some of that.

00:15:32.540 Thank you.

00:15:33.320 Well, look, actions are good.

00:15:34.640 Results are better.

00:15:35.340 And that's what matters more than anything.

00:15:37.720 You don't want to have to name and shame.

00:15:40.120 Oftentimes, you are forced to do so when you have uncooperative leverage points

00:15:44.040 at different media outlets.

00:15:45.600 But more often than not, we're able to bring our grievances to the attention

00:15:50.100 of different leverage points at different media outlets to point out the facts

00:15:54.200 that what they had said is either historically inaccurate,

00:15:59.000 it lacks attribution, it lacks balance.

00:16:02.500 Sometimes, you know, we'll say, look, we don't believe that you have

00:16:07.140 an intent to malign Israel or the Jewish people,

00:16:10.740 but that is the resultant outcome of the poor reporting.

00:16:15.680 You know, I don't think necessarily some journalists wake up every single day saying, 0.75

00:16:19.940 I hate the Jews and I hate Israel. 0.99

00:16:21.460 I'm going to write something really negative. 0.99

00:16:23.220 There certainly are some of those. 0.56

00:16:25.000 But there is no shortage of ignorance and naivete.

00:16:28.000 But what is really more troubling than anything is we're seeing a fundamental notion of

00:16:35.160 journalistic standards.

00:16:36.620 Where you have, and I'll give an example, specifically as it relates to the CBC,

00:16:40.460 you have CBC journalists who write on Israel on a weekly basis,

00:16:46.540 who in 2021 signed an open letter that encouraged, like a petition,

00:16:52.640 encouraged more anti-Israel coverage.

00:16:54.580 And these are the people who are tasked to be so-called politically neutral journalists.

00:16:59.340 Some CBC employees have gone on social media and referred to supporters of Israel as being vile.

00:17:04.760 Right? Like this is, you know, they're not shy and shielding their own personal views and animus about Israel.

00:17:13.380 And yet they're tasked and allowed to cover these issues.

00:17:18.140 In any other issue, whether it was about liberals or conservatives and NDP,

00:17:23.620 imagine you had one side who was openly campaigning, advocating and championing one versus the other.

00:17:29.640 They would not be allowed to report.

00:17:31.260 But for Israel, it's, again, a unique, singular, triple, double standard that's really taking place. 0.55

00:17:37.760 So how frequently, if you complain to the ombudsman, how frequently does that affect change?

00:17:45.040 So the ombudsman, well, there's a new ombudsman at the CBC.

00:17:48.880 Ombudsman, I believe it's called now.

00:17:50.640 Ombudsman. Yeah, we've got to be politically correct.

00:17:53.140 So, you know, we'll judge favorably because it's, I think, she's only within a couple of weeks in the new role.

00:18:00.800 So it's unknown at this point.

00:18:04.980 But more often than not, we average about a 70% success ratio in terms of bringing our concerns to a media outlet's attention and securing some kind of a remedy.

00:18:15.700 That might be a correction.

00:18:17.160 That might be an internal acknowledgement of shortcomings.

00:18:20.040 It might be a journalist who is reprimanded or resigned.

00:18:24.300 It might be future coverage about an issue that will provide more balance.

00:18:28.200 It's something.

00:18:30.920 Well, like, it's something that you can push these people in the right direction because you are really pushing uphill.

00:18:37.180 Quit, frankly.

00:18:39.200 There's no question.

00:18:40.500 It's an uphill battle, but it's education and trying to sensitize journalists about these very issues.

00:18:47.260 It's a long play.

00:18:48.320 There's no question.

00:18:49.000 Well, and I think, too, we don't know the psychological impact of knowing how having somebody watching you constantly might color your work next time around, too.

00:19:02.560 Well, we hope that that, let's call it vigilance, that we provide will cause a course correction for journalists that before they're actually going to do a news article, knowing that we are watching everything they say and do.

00:19:18.340 Perhaps they're going to ensure that there's a pro-Israel source quoted in their report, or they'll be more careful with the language that they use.

00:19:25.600 That, and on top of just being an organization, we have a grassroots subscriber membership of about 60,000 Canadians.

00:19:32.300 So they are very much so our eyes and ears.

00:19:34.460 They're also more often than not the consumers of the news that these news outlets are providing.

00:19:39.820 So, and I should also say, you know, Israel makes mistakes. 0.95

00:19:44.400 We're not a blanket apologist for Israel, deserving of criticism.

00:19:48.280 And I think they're mindful of that.

00:19:50.680 I think journalists worth their salt who appreciate and understand that will take that into account.

00:19:57.920 Now, I want to ask you specifically about CBC because Honest Reporting Canada is calling for an independent commission to investigate CBC's anti-Israel bias.

00:20:08.380 Why do you think this warrants an independent commission?

00:20:12.860 It does.

00:20:13.900 It does because what we are experiencing, the kind of culture of immunity, when complaints are filed by us or Canadians as it relates to coverage of Israel and matters affecting the Jewish community with respect to the CBC, the responses by and large are overwhelmingly evasive.

00:20:33.860 A refusal to cause a course correction, a refusal to really atone for the fundamental misrepresentation of the issues.

00:20:44.500 So if CBC is not going to make any changes, there really just has to be an independent commission that will really do a deep dive, independent investigation.

00:20:53.500 At this point, we are not optimistic that internally that the powers that be will take any kind of change.

00:21:03.140 And effectively, what we're experiencing is the kind of pass the buck mentality of responsibility.

00:21:09.240 So the stakes are really high.

00:21:11.060 We believe very much so that the kind of poor and biased journalism that the CBC is producing is causing a lot of the anti-Semitism that is in our midst.

00:21:20.740 Now, let's say an independent commission finds CBC has a systemic racism problem.

00:21:30.660 What consequences would you be seeking or hoping for if that were the case?

00:21:37.000 That's an interesting theoretical, right?

00:21:39.560 I mean, internally, you would like to think that if there is an independent arm's length investigation that proves with veracity and credibility that there's a systemic problem, you'd like to think that that is there's going to have to be changes within the journalistic standards and practices, which is the sort of editorial code of conduct that CBC has.

00:22:00.640 But also in the sense that they have to actually do some due diligence in making sure that they're providing balanced coverage.

00:22:08.480 And that's not just a statement, but it has to be an effort towards some kind of achievement of a ratio.

00:22:14.440 The other is I think there will have to be a cultural change from within the ranks of the CBC.

00:22:19.280 I don't think it's a surprise for any of your viewers to hear that there is, I think, pretty systemically a very strident left view at the CBC, kind of a herd mentality as it relates to how they view different issues and the kind of reporting.

00:22:39.800 And again, we're talking hundreds, perhaps thousands of plays, I'm not entirely sure, but if an investigation proves that through program after program, there's going to definitely, we would recommend changes as it relates to the kind of story selection that they're going to do, the kind of lexicon that they appropriate, which is oftentimes very misleading, and certain cultural shifts and are really an acceptance of that.

00:23:09.800 Of having and platforming pro-Israel views to the Canadian audience.

00:23:15.360 Yeah, like, I think their mandate involves reflecting the diversity of Canada, but it seems pretty homogenous when you watch their broadcast coverage.

00:23:24.540 I mean, I would be happy if they just had one on your actual conservative, but I can't name one.

00:23:29.720 I think what passes for one is Andrew Coyne, and that's my criticism of the CBC and not yours.

00:23:34.900 Sure, and I like how you focused on their mandate, because it is a betrayal of that mandate.

00:23:40.480 Yeah.

00:23:41.320 And that's why we have the CRTC to really also investigate what's transpiring, because this is bigger than just our organization, even the Jewish community.

00:23:51.720 This is a very much so Canadian issue.

00:23:53.880 Yeah, I would love to see some strings hatched to all of that money that we give them every single year.

00:24:01.100 Now, I promised you 20 minutes, we're at 22 right now.

00:24:05.160 I just want to give you an opportunity to invite people, maybe people who are just finding out about Honest Reporting Canada.

00:24:12.460 And I know a lot of my journalism relies on your original source reporting.

00:24:17.500 How do people get involved?

00:24:18.840 How do they support Honest Reporting Canada?

00:24:21.420 Because from what I can tell you, you're kind of a mom and pop shop there.

00:24:26.420 Not a lot of overhead at Honest Reporting Canada, but you're doing a lot of good work.

00:24:33.180 Yeah, look, as they say, we punch above our weight.

00:24:35.120 So we're a very lean team.

00:24:37.000 There's no question about it.

00:24:38.120 I would encourage any of your viewers to go to our website, www.honestreporting.ca, subscribe to our alerts.

00:24:44.240 We're 100% free.

00:24:45.860 Effectively, our goal is to embrace, to educate, and to empower Canadians, to really be vigilant media monitors and hold Canadian news organizations, specifically the CBC, accountable for their journalism.

00:25:00.720 We're also here to help in any possible way in terms of helping to draft and craft a legislative editor, outreach to journalists, engage in cooperation with different news outlets, and to try to foster change.

00:25:15.380 Well, Mike, thanks so much for the work that you do to hold the Canadian media landscape to account.

00:25:24.180 I think that's sort of a little bit of what we do over here at Rebel News, but I just appreciate you telling the other side of the story of not just Israel, but Canada's Jewish community as well.

00:25:37.400 It's my absolute pleasure.

00:25:38.760 Thank you very much.

00:25:39.460 Thank you.

00:25:45.380 Thank you.

00:26:15.380 I think there is.

00:26:17.920 Is there any balance in their journalism?

00:26:21.160 Look, they claim to be balanced.

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00:26:30.120 I think the arc of facts bend toward conservatism.

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00:27:34.540 And you get my show, as you know, as you're showing a lot of extras as well.

00:27:39.200 Now, today's viewer feedback comes to us by way of YouTube on my show with my friend Chris Sims of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.

00:27:49.940 Last week, we were talking about Mark Carney and the carbon tax and how he really is the architect of the carbon tax as we know it.

00:27:57.640 Now, he's sort of backing away from this version of the carbon tax.

00:28:02.700 He wants to move it upstream, take it away from the consumer and put it on the upstream producers, which, of course, will just pass it along to the consumer at the end of the day because that's how cost inputs work.

00:28:17.360 Like some economist, he is, what he wants to do is make sure that you can't see the carbon tax when you're looking at the cost of your gas bill.

00:28:29.500 I mean, you already can't see it in your grocery bill, but he wants to make it even less visible to you.

00:28:36.760 He wants to hide the inflationary nature of his carbon tax from your prideful peasant eyes. 0.99

00:28:44.700 So, Wes Spruill 5779 says, my carbon tax is already more than the natural gas on my bill.

00:28:51.980 Yeah, I think that's the experience of a lot of people.

00:28:55.120 Now, Mark Carney doesn't want you to know that.

00:28:57.880 He doesn't want you to look at your gas bill and see the outrageousness of paying more in tax than you are for the goods that you're purchasing.

00:29:08.240 So, he wants to hide that upstream.

00:29:11.520 So, you'll just say, oh my goodness, natural gas is outrageously priced without being able to see what portion of that is his carbon tax.

00:29:24.200 Carney sounds like a funeral director.

00:29:25.660 Yes, he is a bit of an energy vampire, isn't he?

00:29:28.400 Uh, how did I describe his, uh, rallies?

00:29:34.760 Look like God's waiting room.

00:29:36.520 Everybody looks sort of disoriented and tired.

00:29:39.080 And I think some of that comes from listening to someone as uncharismatic as Mark Carney speak.

00:29:46.900 But I also think it has a lot to do with the demographic he appeals to.

00:29:52.240 And I think young people are overwhelmingly conservative these days in this country.

00:29:56.840 And that warms the cockles of my overtaxed heart on this minus 36 Alberta day.

00:30:06.820 Jody, W05VP says, and everybody thought Trudeau was deadly.

00:30:13.060 Carney will make him look like a saint.

00:30:14.320 Yes.

00:30:15.500 Yeah.

00:30:17.760 Carney is, I think, it's hard to explain Mark Carney.

00:30:24.280 He is the headwaters of all the bad WEF ideas that flowed into Trudeau's empty bucket of a brain.

00:30:32.720 And I think he's trying to lean into his, like, I'm a senior economist boringness without actually being a good senior economist.

00:30:41.300 If you listen to Liz Truss of the UK.

00:30:44.800 Stephen Harper was an economist and boring.

00:30:48.280 There was something so, I don't know, Mr. Rogers-y about him and his boring Lego hair.

00:30:56.620 Uh, that you didn't think he was lying to you about what he planned to do.

00:31:04.440 And I, I think Canadians feel as though Mark Carney is full of BS.

00:31:09.940 And, uh, of course he is because as we've seen, he will say one thing about pipelines in English, or at least energy projects, by which he means green energy projects.

00:31:18.140 In English, he will invoke the emergencies, powers of the government to get those things done.

00:31:26.300 And then in French, he'll say, actually, we're going to give Quebec a veto over any energy projects that might go through Quebec, which is exactly how we're in this mess.

00:31:34.580 In the first place, without an east-west pipeline in a country that has the world's third largest oil and gas resources.

00:31:41.560 Can you imagine? What a joke of a country we are sometimes.

00:31:46.940 All right. And the curse of common sense says, at the WEF summit, Carney said he's European.

00:31:54.880 Changing the clown doesn't make the circus better.

00:31:57.440 I've never heard that phrase before, but I think that's really quite prescient. 0.87

00:32:01.340 Uh, yeah. Mark Carney has three passports, says he's a European.

00:32:05.820 I don't know if he has a primary residence in Canada. I'm doubtful.

00:32:09.120 Um, but remember all the trouble, the outrage that we saw from the liberals when, uh, they uncovered that Andrew Scheer was a dual citizen because one of his parents was American.

00:32:22.920 And they were all like, oh my God, dual allegiances.

00:32:26.440 Mark Carney's got three.

00:32:27.580 Like, and like, I don't know if you're old enough to remember the attack ads against liberal leader, Michael Ignatieff, but the conservatives ran these very effective attack ads.

00:32:40.400 And you know how I know they were effective?

00:32:42.560 Cause here I am like almost two decades later and I remember them like they were yesterday.

00:32:47.720 And it was, he didn't come back for you as in he came back to be in charge.

00:32:55.060 And if he's not going to get to be in charge, he's going to leave.

00:32:59.800 Uh, so Mark Carney has been making these bad decisions for Canadians from somewhere else,

00:33:05.980 because why would he want to live with the consequences of his policies where the rest of us are poor, uh, peasants?

00:33:14.020 We can't leave.

00:33:14.800 We're stuck here with his bad ideas.

00:33:17.460 And Mark Carney will come and go as quickly.

00:33:23.420 So if he, let's say he wins the leadership, uh, and then runs in the next election and loses, which he definitely will, will he stay on as an MP if he runs in a safe riding?

00:33:37.400 You know, like, will he be the liberal leader and an MP and not in power in the prime minister's office?

00:33:46.720 Would he settle for that?

00:33:48.740 Doubtful.

00:33:49.940 Uh, this is my prediction.

00:33:51.600 Uh, I'll be surprised if I'm wrong.

00:33:54.300 He'll pull a Michael Ignatieff, come back, try to be in charge of us.

00:33:57.640 Once the president, peasants have an uprising and say, no, no, no.

00:34:01.500 Uh, he'll just leave and go back to the UK, go back to being a European. 1.00

00:34:07.000 I think.

00:34:09.760 I don't think I'm wrong.

00:34:12.300 Uh, well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:34:14.760 I'm happy to introduce you to the good folks doing the great work over at Honest Reporting Canada.

00:34:20.320 Um, as always, if you want to send me an email, it's sheila at rebelnews.com.

00:34:25.580 And as always, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:34:28.880 You've got the work.

00:34:34.740 Yeah.

00:34:34.760 Yeah.

00:34:36.200 Yeah.

00:34:40.960 Yeah.

00:34:41.480 Yeah.

00:34:42.140 Yeah.

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