00:00:00.000Our friends at the CCFR are headed to court on two different matters.
00:00:05.220I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gun Show.
00:00:24.760The CCFR, the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights, they're working so hard.
00:00:30.000for canadian firearms owners the faces of the ccfr rod gil taka and tracy wilson
00:00:37.680they're all over the place as tracy says doing all the things all the time um and they have
00:00:44.000two major announcements this week one is a class action lawsuit on behalf of canadian firearms
00:00:50.560owners for fair compensation in the gun grab and the handgun freeze and and the other is that their
00:00:57.360appeal of the gun grab, is going to be heard by the Supreme Court on November 9th and 10th,
00:01:05.8202026. So I thought, you know what, let's have Tracy on the show to talk about this
00:01:11.120and all the other issues facing Canadian firearms owners and to get an update on her
00:01:18.000firearms rights rally at Winnipeg. Take a listen.
00:01:27.360joining me now is my friend but also good friend of firearms owners everywhere tracy wilson from
00:01:36.020the canadian coalition for firearms rights fresh off a scorching rally in winnipeg uh tracy thanks
00:01:44.920for joining the show tell us about your winnipeg firearms rights rally and also why you chose
00:01:51.800Winnipeg. Yeah, thanks, Sheila. I'm happy to be here. And you're right. I think I'm still
00:01:56.360suffering a little bit of hot as Haiti's weather that we had there in Manitoba. But we went out to
00:02:03.740Winnipeg and did a rally against the gun grab. And the reason we chose that was because the
00:02:08.920Winnipeg Police Service signed a deal with the federal liberal government to aid them in the
00:02:14.500collection of firearms for the gun grab. So we've done these all across the country, starting in
00:02:20.540Cape Breton with the pilot program. Winnipeg was on my hit list because they were literally the
00:02:25.740first ones to sign a deal. But, you know, for obvious reasons, I didn't want to go out there
00:02:31.200in January or February. But it might have been less painful than rallying in 46 degree heat.
00:02:37.640But regardless, we had 200 diehards out there with us in the blazing hot sun. We had three
00:02:44.920federal conservative MPs join us. And we actually even had some media there. So it was great.
00:02:51.920That's great. And, you know, you've had successful gun rights rallies in Quebec. I'm so glad you did
00:02:59.280it in Winnipeg. It's important to show solidarity with the firearms owners in these places where
00:03:06.560their rights are not protected or even taken as seriously as they are in places like Alberta
00:03:12.000and Saskatchewan. I know everybody wants me to come and rally in their area but at this point
00:03:17.720we're just choosing jurisdictions that have signed deals and Quebec is a perfect example
00:03:22.180because not only did a municipal government or law enforcement agency sign a deal the entire
00:03:28.940province did so the province signed up a deal the province of Quebec signed a deal to have the
00:03:34.520which is their provincial police force carry out this program for the for the liberals and
00:03:41.940the good people of Quebec I know they take a lot of ribbing and some of it is deserve it but they
00:03:47.220put 4,000 people on the ground in Quebec City in front of the legislature to oppose the way their
00:03:53.700government is treating them so you know kudos to Quebec because they don't deserve what their
00:03:58.940government has done. Now I want to talk to you a little bit about something we talked off camera
00:04:04.720about and I'm going to ask you about this because you did make an ex post about this. Yes. Inky
00:04:09.940inky mark former reform member of parliament canadian alliance member of parliament uh although
00:04:17.820now i believe that he at least according to his wikipedia page is a member of the green party
00:04:23.800he was arrested for firearms trafficking which makes it sound like the 17 year old man who has
00:04:32.960had a life of public service has now taken to gang related crime but yes may not be exactly the case
00:04:41.280yeah i saw this story the other day and i i was like what on earth is going on like you're right
00:04:47.080inky mark is a he's an old guy he's 78 years old he's a a former member of parliament from
00:04:53.620manitoba he's got a vast firearms collection which a lot of these old guys do and yeah the
00:05:00.200it came out that he was being charged with, you know, a whole bunch of charges, some unsafe
00:05:05.060storage and things like that, you know, which sometimes might happen when you have almost
00:05:10.180500 guns in your house. Excuse me. But I'm sorry about that. But yeah, he was charged with
00:05:18.260trafficking. And when I saw that, I was like, what on earth is he doing? But it turns out he did
00:05:24.220transfer three firearms incorrectly. And you'll remember back a few years ago, the measures within
00:05:31.380C-71 were implemented. And part of that was the license verification. So it wasn't good enough
00:05:37.760just to check the other owners, pal, you had to verify that it was still valid with the RCMP
00:05:42.840firearms program and receive a transfer number. So it's a little bit of a process. It's actually
00:05:48.640not that difficult, but I can tell you that the vast number of gun owners don't even know about
00:05:53.960this. It was not well communicated. I think the Ottawa bubble forgets that people are existing
00:06:00.240out there in the real world. Not everybody's sitting around reading legislation, understanding
00:06:05.980the changes. And yeah, I've had many people contact me over the last few years not realizing
00:06:12.240what this measure is or even how to do it. So sure enough, he transferred three firearms
00:06:17.800incorrectly, and they have charged him with trafficking. Now, I do expect those charges
00:06:23.060will likely be reduced to something else but this is a stark reminder that yeah this is a very
00:06:28.940serious issue and you have to do the license verification I think what I'll do is put together
00:06:36.220a really quick two minute video and put it out there to show people how easy it is it's not
00:06:41.900difficult we just did raining guns gave away a hundred guns and every single one of them had to
00:06:47.320be verified so yeah it's um it's too bad he's probably going to lose his collection at this
00:06:52.740point um i guess we'll see how things play out in the court but yeah unfortunately ignorance of the
00:06:58.920law is not a defense so yeah i mean but it is for the public safety minister gary and and sangry who
00:07:06.380doesn't know anything about the firearms file he doesn't know anything about licensing and yet
00:07:11.320uh inky mark i think through an innocent mistake will lose his entire collection it'll probably be
00:07:21.100destroyed um but we know gary nanda sangri doesn't know anything about firearms licensing the
00:07:28.100different kinds of licensing that there are red flag laws that exist in the licensing i guess it's
00:07:33.320okay for him to have ignorance of the law even though he's the guy in charge of the law um but
00:07:38.120for firearms owners um it's serious business and um it is very confusing i wish they would put this
00:07:46.940much effort into actual like gun smugglers and traffickers like there are people who are running
00:07:52.920guns into the country supplying um you know organized crime with them like that's the gun
00:07:58.820smuggling and and gun trafficking that i would really like to see these efforts put into yep
00:08:03.960inky mark made a mistake and unfortunately he's going to pay for it i hope he's got a good lawyer
00:08:09.460and you know i guess we'll see how it plays out at this point the the best thing we can do with
00:08:15.300this information is just make sure that everybody else knows and this is a legitimate problem with
00:08:21.520some of the older guys in our community um again they're you know they're not sitting on on x or
00:08:27.540on youtube or or reading the house of commons uh hansard you know they they don't realize that
00:08:33.840these changes have taken place and when you have a certain way for decades on end where you just
00:08:39.100get together you decide to sell a gun to your friend george and you look at his license yeah
00:08:44.400George is good. I'm good. Let's go. Let's do the deal. When that process changes and it isn't very
00:08:50.600widely known, this is a problem. So I don't want to see anybody else get themselves into this
00:08:57.040situation. Yeah, I think the best that can come from this bad situation is that firearms owners
00:09:03.860become educated about the new rules about firearms transfers. And speaking of which,
00:09:11.980There are real gun traffickers loose in this country. In fact, the guy that was charged with gang related with a gang related shooting in Toronto was wanted on trafficking firearms from Florida.
00:09:30.620the u.s was seeking extradition on him he was already convicted of manslaughter in toronto
00:09:38.060out on the streets and i've been a critic of myron demke the toronto uh police chief a lot
00:09:46.920but he was really good in handling the media on this when a journalist and forgive me i don't know
00:09:55.700where she was from, but she said, well, how do we know that he was in possession of an illegal
00:10:03.140firearm? Well, I don't know, lady. Maybe the fact that he is, I guess he must have been awaiting0.83
00:10:09.020sentencing on manslaughter and was shooting a handgun in the streets of Toronto. That would
00:10:15.500lead me to believe that he didn't exactly sit through the same RPAL course as me, but he was
00:10:20.180obviously under um conditions to not own firearms yeah exactly the charges like that would come with
00:10:28.660the firearms prohibition so yes they were very obviously uh illegal guns and i mean look repeat
00:10:34.920violent offenders we've been you know yelling about it for 10 years and at a time when we're
00:10:40.680seeing an increase in violence like last weekend there was what 13 people shot in toronto just in
00:10:46.180I thought this wasn't the wild west you know like I don't know I mean there's some legitimate
00:10:53.880horrible horrific violence on the rise out there and that needs to be the focus and you're right
00:10:59.660the chief was absolutely awesome in his bite back on that and it's it's important like we've got to
00:11:07.580stop fiddling with licensed sport shooters and hunters and start taking some real action for
00:11:13.600credible public safety policy yeah fix the catch and release bail laws uh stiffer sentences put
00:11:22.700back in some mandatory minimums that the liberals peeled back and start working with the americans
00:11:29.260to extradite the bad guys back to the jurisdictions where they might face some real consequences that
00:11:35.040would be nice to see maybe kind of it would be safer yeah yeah well it's funny i actually took
00:11:40.200a bunch of flack recently, just on that note, for going over to the Fourth of July party at the
00:11:45.040at the ambassador's residence. Well, the reason I got an invite to there, I didn't get it from
00:11:50.220Pete Hoekstra. I got it from somebody within the embassy who works on cross-border crimes and
00:11:57.360these types of issues. And he was having trouble getting a meeting with Public Safety Canada.
00:12:03.280So him and I had a lunch meeting and he wanted to know the secret. And I was like, well,
00:12:07.240you're asking the wrong girl they won't meet with me either but what do you mean they are not meeting
00:12:11.780with their American counterparts why are you contacting me to see if you can how to get a
00:12:17.980meeting with public safety what what is going on in this government so yeah I mean I didn't really
00:12:26.460talk about that but that's that's how I got that invite was after that meeting he said hey I'll
00:12:31.280tossing an invite for the party and I went but good for you our people went too but yeah I saw
00:12:37.040them these things are a trade issue for the Americans like I'm reliably informed we have
00:12:45.140a fentanyl czar but I would like to see proof of life of that guy yeah I don't know he's fairly
00:12:51.800invisible and I mean you know there is some issues about illegal smuggled gun guns coming across our
00:12:57.760border from the United States. Um, but yeah, it's up, it's up to us to do something about that.
00:13:03.240Right. I know a lot of people give me flack for not talking about that, but I talk about it all
00:13:07.660the time and I talk about it all the time with law enforcement. Um, but it's up to us to invest
00:13:13.040the money to be able to stop this stuff from coming over. And we don't. So, yeah. And it's
00:13:18.460not exactly politically correct to talk about where exactly the guns are being trafficked across
00:13:24.580the border um a lot of them are coming across at six nations yes and and and the federal government
00:13:32.640knows this but it's not politically correct to tackle that issue yeah nobody will touch it
00:13:38.680nobody will touch it because it's hard to you know um celebrate your truth and reconciliation
00:13:44.980holiday at the same time you're opening up the floodgates to talk about the you know the
00:13:52.220the pipeline of guns that are coming in the country through reserves yeah yeah yep um now
00:13:59.400i want to talk about your court cases um we've got two actually yeah um so first one good news
00:14:08.260i'm gonna have to clear my schedule i think i might come to ottawa to cover it uh you finally
00:14:13.300have a court date for your appeal let us know yeah that's right so you'll remember a while back
00:14:18.320the Supreme Court of Canada agreed to hear our case and that's a big deal because they only hear
00:14:22.680about six percent of cases so although I had told people I was sure that we were going to be heard
00:14:27.500I was actually just beating them anxious they have some copium right so in any event yes we do have
00:14:36.520our hearing dates so November 9th and 10th here in Ottawa at the Supreme Court building so we've
00:14:42.280got interveners joining us. IPSC Canada has jumped on. SCI Canada, which is a hunting organization.
00:14:49.480Canadian taxpayers are coming. The Canadian Constitutional Foundation. And yeah, I mean,
00:14:56.480they're still flowing in. There's a little bit of time left for interveners to apply. And of course,
00:15:00.840the court will decide. But yeah, this is a big deal. This could be it. So we're very excited
00:15:11.840about it uh rod will be coming i'll be live tweeting from the courtroom and there is some
00:15:16.960indication we're not sure yet uh rod i asked rod about it yesterday but i i know that for i think
00:15:24.060it was for the federal court uh hearing we were able to have kind of like a zoom like people could
00:15:30.160tune in and watch and i i wondered if that would be a thing with this and he said he thinks it is
00:15:35.800So I'm going to find all that out, but everyone should stay tuned to the CCFR channels because
00:15:41.940if that's a thing, we're going to put it out there everywhere.
00:16:05.300And it's like, well, look, I get it. I get where you're coming from. But at the same time, the Supreme Court could have very easily just upheld the decision out of the lower courts where we failed there. And that in itself would have been a decision. But the fact that they were like, nope, giddy up. And apparently seemed to be very open to having all these interveners. They really want to hear it out. So we promised gun owners we'd never quit and we'd keep fighting and we really, really meant it.
00:16:35.040Yeah, never quit and do all the things.
00:16:37.580You do all of it all the way, all the time.
00:16:51.140And this is separate from the Supreme Court challenge.
00:16:53.660The Supreme Court challenge is to get the OICs overturned and we all go back to normal.
00:16:59.280But there also has to sort of be a plan B.
00:17:01.340And we know that Alberta and Saskatchewan have gone the farthest to protect their gun owners in their jurisdictions.
00:17:08.700However, Saskatchewan did take it a step further, and they recently introduced amendments to their existing Saskatchewan Firearms Act legislation that sort of enabled, it's enabling legislation that allows people, affected citizens of Saskatchewan who own these guns, to fair and proper compensation.
00:17:33.320Now, why that's important is because that's actually all the government ever promised.
00:17:39.700You'll remember back in May of 2020, they said, oh, no, gun owners will be properly compensated
00:17:56.320And they've only put forward funding for 136,000 guns when we know there are over 2 million affected firearms.
00:18:06.160The other thing that's impacted by this is handguns.
00:18:09.880And the problem is, although, yes, you can keep your handguns and continue to use them, that doesn't mean they haven't been devalued because they absolutely have.
00:18:18.740So now that you can no longer sell your guns, and then, of course, upon your death, your grieving family and your widow will get a knock on the door from the RCMP, who will be there to collect your precious heirlooms and put them in the smelter, and you'll get absolutely nothing.
00:19:07.220What would that look like if we got Alberta, Saskatchewan, the Yukon, Ontario, get BC,
00:19:14.000get other provinces to sign up and say, yep, all we're asking is that you treat our people fairly.
00:19:19.580This is going to run into the tens of billions of dollars. It will be absolutely impossible for
00:19:24.940the government to keep up with it and to pay it. And it's just, you know, it's like chopping down
00:19:31.340a tree. We're hitting it from every single possible angle. And we are positioned to take
00:19:38.360this fight on for Saskatchewan and to fund it so yeah we're we will be lobbying all the other
00:19:45.080provinces to join on as well and I think at some point um the burden on liberals to do gun control
00:19:52.120um especially stuff like this that is completely meaningless um is uh is is going to be too much
00:19:58.920it's just going to be unpopular and then maybe we can get back to proper gun control and the
00:20:03.940purpose of real gun control should be to prevent the misuse of firearms, not the legitimate use
00:20:09.720of firearms. So I'm sure Alberta will join. Yes. In this, I'm sure. And for a Carney government0.95
00:20:17.160that is concerned with national unity, this stuff drives the Western provinces towards something
00:20:26.860other than national unity. He says he, you know, that there's a strong united Canada, but when you
00:20:32.660have the western provinces fundamentally opposed to these gun control measures they're not gun
00:20:40.120control measures they're people control measures and property control measures um this just drives
00:20:46.240a wedge in between the west and the rest of the country yeah it absolutely does and i mean like
00:20:52.740look you know this is leftover uh policy from the device of trudeau era and carney could do the
00:21:00.900right thing I don't think he will because I think it's very difficult when you've got Natalie
00:21:04.980Provost sitting in cabinet and the Quebec caucus that really wants this but the you look at the
00:21:11.800way people are talking about this now even all the liberal normies out there they they're like
00:21:16.320oh this gun stuff it's it's the support for it has waned the sponge has been wrung dry and it's no
00:21:23.340longer the popular policy it was and you know the the tinfoil hat in me I can't help but think that
00:21:30.260that's maybe why the Supreme Court has decided to hear it, because it's the best way to get rid of
00:21:35.280this gun grab, but not have Carney have to explain to provost why he did it. So now, before I let you
00:21:42.280go, please tell people how they can get involved with the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights,
00:21:48.240because you're doing everything all the time, everywhere, nonstop. And again, I spoke at your
00:21:55.380AGM and I couldn't believe how small your team is. So I know how hard you're working and how
00:22:01.960tightly you're managing resources to get the best impact out there. So I think the more involvement
00:22:09.020and the more support the CCFR has, the better, because I know that you're doing it with such
00:22:14.800strong respect for the people's donations. Yeah. Membership dollars are dear. And look,
00:22:21.200gun owners have always wanted that one big lobby group that does all these big things and
00:22:25.600big court challenges. And this stuff is incredibly like mind numbingly expensive.
00:22:31.880And we're doing it with support from about 1% of gun owners. So if we can do all this stuff with
00:22:38.840the support of 1% of gun owners, imagine if we could get 5% of gun owners, like we would be
00:22:44.580unstoppable. And, you know, it's been a tough road for gun owners. But there is light at the
00:22:50.780end of the tunnel. The very best way you can help us is to become a member. It's 40 bucks for a
00:22:55.720whole year. You can sign up at ccfr.ca, download the free app. There's all kinds of cool deals on
00:23:02.960there. In fact, I've, I now decided that my membership app actually makes me money. I've
00:23:09.720saved $50 on a gun I bought because of my membership. So I'm up 10 bucks, you know? But
00:23:16.580yeah become a member if you want to donate that would be great too if you can these are tough
00:23:21.880times and I never want anyone to go without so family first but if you've got the ability
00:23:27.140we could always use the help of course it's it's expensive and it is what it is but this is what
00:23:32.980we're doing so we're going to keep doing it if you've got time to volunteer we've got these
00:23:37.220rallies and fun shows and events and ladies days and all kinds of stuff all across the country I'm
00:23:43.380sure you've seen the pictures and videos we have a ton of fun with our crew send an email to
00:23:47.880volunteer at ccfr.ca and come with us come with me I we have a great time and uh and yeah and of
00:23:56.280course spread the word so you can watch the podcast you can watch the tv show follow us on social
00:24:01.160media do all the things and you know we produce that show once every two weeks we don't spam you
00:24:07.180and it gives you a full update on what's going on so and one of the great ways to spread the word
00:24:12.940is by visiting your very excellent merch store and picking up some of the sweet merch over there.
00:24:19.000There's something for everybody. Yeah, that's exactly it. Yes. Yes. Yeah. There's always new
00:24:24.480products in the store too. So make sure you check it out. Yes. And also, you know, if your local gun
00:24:30.540club, gun range is having a fundraiser for the CCFR, pop on down there and get involved too.
00:24:36.220I see these gun clubs giving you thousand dollar checks, couple thousand dollar checks all over
00:24:41.440the place. I know they're working hard to fight on behalf of their members too. Yeah, that's right.
00:24:46.540And I mean, if we all gather under the umbrella of the CCFR, you know, we can do a lot of really
00:24:51.820big things by working together. And that's exactly what we've grown with the CCFR and it's working.
00:24:58.240We're getting somewhere. So yep. Yeah, you really are. Thank you, Tracy. Thanks so much for coming
00:25:03.780on the show. I'll talk to you very soon. And if I don't see you before then, and if I don't see
00:25:08.280before then. I'll be quite sad, but I will see you in Ottawa tentatively for your Supreme Court
00:25:15.720challenge. I will see you in court, but for good reasons. That's right. Thanks, Tracy. Thanks, Sheila.
00:25:28.880Okay, as always, last segment of the show goes to you, our beloved viewers at home,
00:25:34.840because without you there's no rebel news if you want to send me some viewer feedback about my
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00:26:15.120We want to spread the message of smaller government, personal responsibility, and basically the government leaving you alone to live your life the way that you see fit, unmolested by the state.
00:26:25.540So, sometimes I take comments from the YouTube comments section, and today it's actually on gun rights issue.
00:26:33.480You see, Erdogan, President of Turkey, gave Mark Carney an engraved firearm as a gift when the NATO summit was hosted there about a week, week and a half ago.
00:26:52.760and the thing is mark carney could not accept that firearm why because mark carney doesn't have
00:27:04.240an r-pal so the firearm was a handgun i can't transfer the ownership of my handguns to anybody
00:27:14.500else i can't sell them i can't gift them i can't bequeath them to my children upon my death they0.59
00:27:19.840will go to the state for destruction. Because those are the rules, thanks to Mark Carney's
00:27:27.400liberals. Although it was done by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Mark Carney hasn't changed
00:27:32.400anything. And so the absurdity of Canadian firearms laws ended up in the international
00:27:42.120spotlight. And we talked about this on the Rebel Roundup, which is our daily live stream where we
00:27:47.520We have myself, usually, and another co-host from Rebel News talking about the news of the day.
00:27:56.040And Mark Carney had to turn that firearm over to the RCMP for destruction.
00:28:04.620Now, I'm not sure how he did that without taking receipt of it, which would have broken a Canadian law.
00:28:11.840Right. He would have to take it from Erdogan and then give it to the RCMP for destruction.0.60
00:28:45.64050 billion yeah no kidding um ashley schaefer wow so turkey has more freedom than canada makes
00:28:54.720sense at least with regard to firearms rights i wouldn't say that turkey is a more free place
00:28:59.300uh especially if you're christian however uh they do have more sensible firearms laws there
00:29:09.540And, I mean, Canada's firearms laws are so absurd that Erdogan, who is a dictator in his own right, didn't even, like, the idea of the Prime Minister not being able to take that firearm home, or at least take it to a private collection or whatever, didn't even cross his mind.