Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Challenging the federal leadership hysteria over climate change

00:00:00.000 The federal leaders debate seemed to be five people standing on a stage just arguing over

00:00:06.180 who's going to put an end to fossil fuel usage and development first. But does that sense of

00:00:12.440 irrational urgency about a climate doomsday even align with what the UN is saying these days?

00:00:20.720 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:30.000 Oh hi everybody. I literally quite literally just ran in the door after my old friend Fossil Fuels

00:00:48.060 helped me make the long journey from Regina back to my home base here east of Fort Saskatchewan. You

00:00:54.740 see we're back out there in the world. We were in Regina for a rebel news event where we

00:01:00.720 re-platformed world-renowned sustainability expert and co-founder of Greenpeace Dr. Patrick Moore

00:01:08.300 after a bunch of censorious busybodies had him cancelled as a speaker for a city of Regina

00:01:15.640 sustainability conference. You see Dr. Patrick Moore doesn't think that there's some sort of

00:01:22.380 climate catastrophe upon us. You see he's a climate heretic I guess. But the thing is the 1.00

00:01:29.460 United Nations doesn't even seem to think that there's a climate catastrophe looming around

00:01:35.080 the very next corner for humanity. The latest IPCC report, so that's the Intergovernmental Panel

00:01:43.320 on climate change. Well that latest report has dialed back the overheated climate scare we keep being

00:01:51.880 warned about. Although you wouldn't know it if you get all your news from the mainstream media or if you

00:01:57.040 had tuned into the federal leaders debate where five leaders, well three mainstream party leaders and two

00:02:02.980 fringe party leaders, were basically tripping over themselves to terminate oil and gas jobs quicker.

00:02:10.960 So joining me tonight to do what she does best, what she always does, and that's cut through the hysteria

00:02:17.540 and the hyperbole, to give us the straight facts is my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science.

00:02:32.240 So joining me now from her cabin in the woods is my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science.

00:02:38.160 Michelle, before we get into the meat and potatoes of all the things that we're going to talk about,

00:02:42.540 we have a mutual friend with a brand new project where he tells the other side of the story and

00:02:48.040 that's why I love Morine Pools. He comes from the left so he comes by all of this honestly. He doesn't

00:02:55.260 see things through a lens of ideology but he's got a brand new movie out and why don't you tell us a

00:03:00.780 little bit about it? Well actually I just learned about it this morning and but it sounds very

00:03:05.360 interesting. He talks with a fellow named Alex Pohl who was a green banker and decided to like

00:03:11.860 abandon that crazy grifter world and he moved off to some northern spot in Sweden only to find that 0.92

00:03:19.500 they're going to put a wind farm right next to his little quiet enclave there and so he and Morine are

00:03:25.220 doing this program called Headwind and it was slated for release at the end of September but I

00:03:31.620 understand it's going to be on YouTube September 15th so that's this week's so yay another Morine

00:03:37.620 Pools film. Yeah you know I love Morine because he looks at the flip side like the other side of

00:03:45.920 green energy and one of the things that I found very fascinating was when he looked at the other

00:03:50.940 side of biofuels and you and I were talking about this online last night. Morine talked about how the

00:03:58.160 shift away from conventional energy, reliable energy, fossil fuel energy towards biofuels actually

00:04:05.580 takes up a large swath of arable land that we should be growing local foodstuffs with and you had

00:04:13.640 told me an interesting fact that you can plot the price of corn because it's one of those you know

00:04:21.960 portable foodstuffs that people in the developing world rely on and when corn is used for biofuel it

00:04:31.880 drives up the cost of corn and you can actually see where civil unrest is going to occur based on the

00:04:37.840 price of corn. Right this comes from research by the New England Complex Systems Institute, NEXI as it's

00:04:45.260 called and they did quite a detailed analysis and it began back in I think about 2010 when they began

00:04:51.140 this project but they were tracking world food prices, the price of corn, the biofuel program which

00:04:57.080 in the states is really huge you know corn ethanol is a huge huge renewable product in the states

00:05:02.400 but that policy moved about six megatons of corn off world markets which caused

00:05:09.060 the price of corn to rise. So when we look at the refugee crisis around the world and the civil 0.98

00:05:15.420 unrest like the so-called Arab Spring, the Arab Spring was really more about the fact that food

00:05:20.080 prices were going up and no jobs were available and so this is what's happening in many places of the

00:05:25.480 world and they could actually track where the next civil unrest would be based on the on the price of

00:05:32.240 of corn. So it's a really interesting study and they've had a number of agricultural experts check it out

00:05:39.340 so it's not just some you know random study that somebody came up with one of those pseudoscience

00:05:45.400 it's and it's ongoing they keep tracking it. You know that's crazy because when you go to UN climate change

00:05:51.700 conferences there's so much focus on climate refugees oh we're going to have climate refugees

00:05:57.320 we actually don't have climate refugees we have green energy policy refugees in that when you drive

00:06:04.380 up the cost of food you cause civil unrest and then people end up as part of a refugee crisis

00:06:09.020 fleeing to the first world where you know the problems that are happening in their their home countries

00:06:16.240 that's where the these things are sort of fomented and and they manifest elsewhere so it's very

00:06:21.380 fascinating to see that kind of stuff it's one of those things that you don't think about you think

00:06:26.520 about you know like people in the developing world they they won't have these sort of crop yields

00:06:35.020 that we do because we're denying them fossil fuels to do those sorts of things and they won't be able to

00:06:40.860 develop their economy because they don't have reliable electricity that works at night but you don't

00:06:48.340 realize how green energy policies in the first world make the world so much more dangerously unsafe for

00:06:55.560 people in the developing world right you know because for you and i so you know we go and we

00:07:00.440 pay a carbon tax or whatever the price of food goes up i mean it's difficult it's challenging now for

00:07:05.840 many many people but you know okay so we don't go to a movie you know so we don't buy that special

00:07:11.680 thing that we saw at bad bath and beyond or whatever um you know we abandon some of the luxuries but

00:07:19.220 you know uh uh five or ten percent increase in food costs in the developing world that's really

00:07:26.060 a burden for those people who are so poor and food insecure yeah it really becomes a choice of life

00:07:32.400 or death and i think that's what leads to civil unrest now i wanted to talk to you about something

00:07:37.960 that you know we all sort of tuned into and for me it was i i'm watching five people on the stage

00:07:43.720 to fight over who's going to put my husband at a work faster and that was the leaders debate

00:07:48.880 um and you wrote an interesting op-ed um about what your impressions of the leaders debate were so why

00:07:57.160 don't you tell us about that well i was actually rebutting an article by max faucet that was in the

00:08:02.820 federally funded national observer and he was saying that you know in the leaders debate

00:08:09.980 obviously things like seniors pensions and and such like would be not really an issue in the future

00:08:17.320 the big essential question was about climate change and my view was that actually i saw five people

00:08:23.780 talking about an impossible magical thinking solution which is net zero 2050 and if you look at the graph of

00:08:32.620 total energy consumption in canada today wind and solar provides perhaps 3.5 percent of the energy

00:08:39.980 yet all these people are talking about like yeah we're going to go net zero 2050 so like in 29 years

00:08:47.260 and even some people are pushing for 2030 nine years we're going to completely switch over our system

00:08:54.380 to uh forms of energy generation that don't exist yet or that are only a niche market or that are shown

00:09:02.240 to be very dangerous like hydrogen is not something you really want to just put in the hands of consumers

00:09:07.420 so it's a very uh you know uh annoying and disillusioning exercise to realize that even the

00:09:16.520 moderator is so energy illiterate that they couldn't say well how about this fact ladies and gentlemen

00:09:23.780 please explain how you're going to jump over this fact um and of course all the alternative forms of

00:09:30.780 energy are all made from oil gas and coal so you know this is a fact a reality check that is not

00:09:39.960 being um presented to the canadian public so it's really really sad you know now that you've mentioned

00:09:48.660 magical thinking let's uh i know it wasn't it's sort of out of order on the things that we said that we talk

00:09:54.140 about but since you mentioned magical thinking that i want to talk about um your live stream that

00:09:59.400 you did the other day about code red uh the climate con and magical net zero thinking and um in that

00:10:06.920 you touched on something that i thought um i hadn't really thought about because in the leaders debate

00:10:13.440 they were talking about oh you know we have to make life more affordable and affordable housing and

00:10:18.040 and for me i thought is today the day these people are going to make the connection between

00:10:22.180 immigration levels and affordable housing you know like is today the day that it clicks supply and

00:10:27.520 demand clicks for these people it wasn't never is um but you had mentioned in that uh live stream that

00:10:35.220 the leaders also aren't making the connection between immigration levels and emissions you mentioned

00:10:45.440 in there and i thought i've never thought of that before but isn't that the case you can't have a

00:10:50.320 hard cap on emissions and keep piling people into the country you have to pick one or the other and 0.99

00:10:55.100 or at least have immigration levels match your innovation levels as far as greenhouse gas emissions

00:11:02.680 and that's not the case right well you know the climate activists are saying oh you know canada's

00:11:07.840 never met a target blah blah blah you know what terrible people we are but if you look at the uh ratio of

00:11:14.660 immigration from uh from 1990 to present you know canada's emissions have been pretty much flat but our

00:11:24.180 population grew by 37 percent and just so you know the federal government has a plan in place called

00:11:31.360 the century initiative they want to bring 63 million more people to canada and yet at the same time

00:11:39.120 they've implemented the uh net zero uh accountability the climate accountability law bill c12 which forces

00:11:47.740 us to meet targets so you know these are in direct contradiction to each other you can't have more

00:11:53.860 people coming here and most of the people who are coming here in terms of uh population uh uh sources

00:12:01.500 the the the statistics show us that people are coming from china the philippines and india

00:12:07.280 those are the greater portion of immigrants to canada at the present time now all of those are

00:12:12.880 far less emitter countries they're far more temperate and when people move here they obviously have to 1.00

00:12:19.080 become higher consumers of energy greater emitters because otherwise you die so uh you know these

00:12:26.200 policies are working at opposition to each other and no one's talking about it yeah no one's talking

00:12:31.540 about it and i think i'm fairly tuned into this and i had never looked at it that way so when you

00:12:35.880 when you said that i was like ah yes these people are coming for whatever reason to canada and but

00:12:41.880 they're coming from places where it's a lot warmer and everything's a lot closer together and they're

00:12:47.040 coming to canada where it is far colder and everything's more spread out so naturally they

00:12:52.080 have to use more greenhouse gas emissions however we've put hard caps on that and those things are

00:12:57.660 incompatible that's right and you know this is not to say anything about immigration i'm in favor of

00:13:02.860 immigration and my father himself was an immigrant from britain and so you know it's a matter of why

00:13:09.600 is the federal government punishing existing canadians with these hard caps and crazy targets

00:13:16.620 that are unattainable to begin with and then you know adding on top of that the impossible uh equation

00:13:23.800 of bringing more people from warmer places so it's contrary policy and it better be figured out we should

00:13:30.780 not be punished uh for our present day emissions if they're going to bring millions more immigrants 1.00

00:13:39.380 which is the plan now in that same live stream you did something that i think most journalists

00:13:47.100 haven't done even climate journalists most politicians haven't done you actually went through

00:13:51.960 the ipcc report ipcc yes ipcc uh report uh and uh you are you found some hope in that as opposed to

00:14:04.200 the doomsday scenarios that we constantly hear about you know like oh the ipcc says this but it actually

00:14:10.800 doesn't it we're not in a doomsday scenario in fact um they've sort of dialed back their doomsday

00:14:16.420 predictions a lot more than they have in recent history yeah it was interesting the code red claim

00:14:22.940 comes from a press release by uh un secretary general antonio guterres um but it doesn't actually

00:14:30.880 say that anywhere in the real report and there's a couple of pieces to the report that people need to

00:14:36.280 know about there's the press releases then there's the summary for policymakers which is about 42 pages long

00:14:43.180 and then there's the actual scientific report which is about 4 000 pages long so you know obviously none

00:14:50.080 of the politicians are going to plow through that big report and just to be uh clear i did not plow

00:14:55.700 through it either but i did rely on some other climate policy experts in this case roger plk jr

00:15:02.420 out of the states um he's a climate policy expert and has done tons of research on extreme weather events

00:15:10.020 and two important takeaways he said that the new report no longer sees the catastrophic scenario as

00:15:17.920 most likely so in 2018 the ipcc had issued a report called the sr 1.5 and it was an interim report a

00:15:26.560 shorter one and it was supposedly telling policymakers what would happen if we failed to meet the 1.5 degree

00:15:34.620 target but they used what's called the representative concentration pathway scenario 8.5 which is

00:15:42.360 actually an implausible scenario it suggests that we would go back to entirely using coal in the world

00:15:49.040 that coal use would multiply six to seven times and that there would be no climate policy measures no

00:15:56.860 environmental management whatsoever which is absurd it's completely implausible so um that is now

00:16:04.380 off the table and by doing that plk says well you know now it's good news because that catastrophic

00:16:11.680 scenario is no longer deemed to be likely and in fact that means as i put it the climate emergency is over

00:16:19.000 and we do have time because if you look at the other work of plk's junior uh the unstoppable momentum

00:16:26.120 of uh outdated science you'll see that a fellow named burgess and colleagues did a study and they show we've

00:16:34.660 actually reached peak carbon in 2019 even before the lockdown so there is no climate emergency and we don't

00:16:42.540 have to jump into net zero 2050 we don't have to turn the world upside down we do have to still take care of the

00:16:49.700 world we do have to be careful about our use of fossil fuels but we don't have to be ridiculous about it

00:16:56.540 now where do you think this philosophy of i don't know that that that the un i guess because it's not

00:17:08.420 even the un scientists as we've seen from the the ipcc report i'm not even sure that they think that way

00:17:15.280 but so many people the un and i think uh governments sort of downstream from there take direction from that

00:17:22.380 where do they get this idea that humans can regulate the climate where is this coming from

00:17:28.040 well the uh fundamental idea is that uh you know people back in the 70s uh saw that carbon dioxide from

00:17:37.420 industrial emissions and human activity was rising in lockstep with temperature and that for them

00:17:44.080 uh you know concluded that earlier scientists who made such predictions were right and so that's

00:17:51.840 when it began and it's also based on the success that enron had in carbon trading on coal plants and

00:17:59.480 enron then moved into uh wind and carbon trading and tried to set up cap and trade and carbon trading

00:18:06.140 markets there now the difference is that when you're dealing with cap and trade with coal um the they were

00:18:13.320 trading on sulfur dioxide and sulfur dioxide is actually an aerosol it's a little tiny particle

00:18:19.180 so it's quite easy to filter from the air but carbon dioxide is a gas it's very diffuse and it's very

00:18:25.700 difficult to filter from the air not to mention it's not clear that we need to do that right so you

00:18:31.980 know so this began it really has its roots in money and that's a lot of what we see today the push for

00:18:38.920 cop 26 is the money push to establish an international global carbon tax law and uh we didn't talk about

00:18:48.720 this but i do want to mention it part of that may include um a personal carbon ration and this has been

00:18:58.140 the dream of george monbiot since 2006 and it's recently resurfaced actually because of covid and all the

00:19:05.820 tracing apps and so there's some researchers just published a paper saying wow this is great now

00:19:11.260 we've got these covid tracing apps we can also attach your personal carbon ration to it so then

00:19:18.080 everything that you do can be tracked as to how much energy you are using now that the tragedy and irony of

00:19:25.600 this is that individuals are not the biggest carbon emitters it's major industry it's china it's india

00:19:33.500 it's all the emerging nations and um you know and yet they're telling you put on a sweater turn

00:19:40.040 down your heat turn off your lights and of course you know conserve energy where you can but but honest

00:19:45.520 to god you're not going to be saving the planet doing that now uh on friends of science on the blog

00:19:51.960 there you do have a summary of the current situation that's unfolding in the world um with regard to

00:19:57.920 climate policy not the climate catastrophe which i i like because you break it down and you tell us

00:20:04.000 exactly what's happening across the globe and why greenhouse gas emissions are really not the control

00:20:10.160 knob and that there's so many other factors at play in all of this that you can't put your finger on

00:20:16.500 just one thing if you're not dealing with those other things and those other things you can't really

00:20:20.240 deal with without shutting down the economy or in the case of the sun you can't deal with it at all um

00:20:26.820 and uh you know that's one of the the question and answers in that blog is can we succeed in fighting

00:20:35.320 climate change and you break down and say like well you could if it were just about greenhouse gas

00:20:41.040 emissions maybe um with serious economic effects but there are so many other things involved in what

00:20:47.440 makes up climate change that you just can't do it right well this is all relates to a new report that

00:20:53.060 we've got out sponsored by the canadians for sensible climate policy and the report is called

00:20:58.540 fighting climate change can we humans regulate uh earth's climate and so as you said the report asks

00:21:06.740 about nine or ten questions that canadians are asking like can the paris accord actually work

00:21:13.180 can we achieve net zero targets can we regulate climate so it's a combination of economic and

00:21:20.640 uh climate science bits and pieces it's not it's very plain language it's not very complex to read

00:21:26.820 it's a short read with an appendix and it answers a lot of those questions and also gives a bit of a

00:21:32.640 background on how far all these uh climate negotiations have come over the years and basically carbon

00:21:39.420 dioxide has gone up the more cops there have been i mean in conference of the parties the more the

00:21:45.260 emissions have risen and that every one of them like yes we're gonna cut emissions this time so you

00:21:52.100 know basically the public are being led down a path of economic destruction by these guys well and

00:21:59.400 that brings me into uh something else i wanted to talk about and you it was your fun little video about

00:22:04.440 the newest hockey stick graph i don't know why the environmentalist movement loves themselves a good

00:22:10.300 hockey stick graph no matter how debunked they are but they've got a new one and as like seems to be the

00:22:16.300 case with all hockey stick graphs they just take out the inconvenient data so that it it reflects the

00:22:21.960 narrative that they're trying to drive so that they get to that end goal of i guess it's a global carbon tax

00:22:27.540 yes well the hockey stick you know is like if you look at history you'll see that there was roman optimum

00:22:33.840 cold period medieval warm period little ice age present modern uh warm period so you'll see this

00:22:42.020 cyclical pattern it's not even but it it is there but the hockey stick graph takes the stick of that

00:22:49.360 medieval warm period and such like flattens it out by cherry picking data from around the world that

00:22:55.480 exactly fits their desired pattern and then sticking a uh a sudden uptick on the end that's what creates

00:23:04.220 the hockey stick and uh steve mcintyre has done a very detailed assessment of the most recent son of

00:23:11.560 hockey stick which by the way only appears in the summary for policymakers it doesn't appear in the

00:23:17.260 scientific report so that tells you it's another theatrical device to scare policymakers into agreeing to

00:23:25.020 things like net zero 2050 which are impossible you know that's that's interesting that it only

00:23:30.800 appears in the summary for policymakers which is the summary for politicians um and it's not actually in

00:23:36.940 the technical scientific side so that's the political end of all of this is uh here's this graph

00:23:43.120 it's going to scare somebody like um catherine mckenna who's not going to read the rest of this or 0.60

00:23:48.640 bring in an expert to explain the rest of it to her she's going to see this she's going to blame my

00:23:53.240 suv and advocate for a carbon tax and she's never going to dig down a little further right exactly

00:23:58.620 now uh next thing on our list of things to talk about i think and i hope i'm not skipping over

00:24:05.980 anything is facebook censoring censoring things because you know you cannot have scientific

00:24:13.520 consensus without censorship apparently i mean we constantly hear oh you know like this there's a

00:24:20.120 scientific consensus of scientists and the world is warming and it's your comfortable suv that's

00:24:25.820 doing it so we the only thing that we can do right now is carbon taxes to fix all of that and then you

00:24:30.820 find out well they've actually censored the other people it's not like they've just ignored the other

00:24:36.240 people they've actually censored them yes well there's a recent paper by uh ranan michael and michael

00:24:44.500 connelly and dr willie soon and about 20 other very qualified scientists and it looks at the um

00:24:52.960 influence of the sun and total solar radians on temperature and of course this has been blocked

00:25:01.260 by facebook anytime anyone posts it a fact check comes up now they looked at the fact check and they

00:25:07.800 said well that's crazy the fact check is made up of cut and pasted material from previous

00:25:14.000 reviews of other papers so they didn't even actually review this paper they just said no it can't be

00:25:20.180 the sun and that's why because this person said so a year ago and this person said so a year ago and

00:25:26.300 this person said so a year ago so you know it really is fake news and really um you know an embarrassment

00:25:33.280 to facebook to be uh even accepting the climate feedback uh you know slanted biased assessments so

00:25:42.300 connelly and and the gang have written a very detailed rebuttal we've posted it on our website so

00:25:48.280 far it hasn't been censored but it probably will be yeah just give it a second um yeah it's funny that

00:25:54.140 even in today's world we've come so far that it is considered fake news by social media companies to say

00:26:02.440 that big burning ball of gas in the sky might have something to do with the temperature outside today

00:26:08.120 that's how far we've come well you know they're all trying to retain their share value you have to

00:26:14.800 understand that big tech makes a lot of money per share because they are compliant with the climate

00:26:21.840 catastrophe thinking they're deeply invested in renewables and they get the subsidies from it

00:26:27.320 and because they're deemed best to be clean because they say oh we're 100 renewable now meaning they're

00:26:33.420 just buying offsets or they've invested in wind and solar um then all the institutional investors at

00:26:40.060 the unpri rush to invest in them because they're clean so there must be like some kind of bond issue

00:26:47.800 or or banking uh financial incentive that these institutional investors are also getting for this

00:26:54.960 kind of participation because in economic terms it makes no sense facebook wouldn't be around for one

00:27:01.560 minute without oil natural gas and coal that powers their servers there would be no big tech you and i

00:27:10.300 would not be talking now you know that's a great point i would love to know the environmental footprint

00:27:15.880 of something like facebook or google it's huge well you know and we talked with the bigfoot issue

00:27:22.360 about how netflix takes up 15 percent of the internet uh broadband so you know imagine like amazon i mean amazon

00:27:30.460 has not reported their uh carbon footprint to the carbon disclosure project instead uh jeff bezos just

00:27:39.900 wrote a check for i think 10 billion dollars to cash out to all these environmental groups and he's making

00:27:45.180 the climate arena in seattle so you know this is his um uh what do you call that the medieval um

00:27:52.200 oh you know when he had to pay indulgences indulgences yeah he's he's yeah but imagine if he

00:27:58.460 if he did do a report for the cdp you know the footprint would probably be pretty black

00:28:04.160 although i love amazon i think it's great company i'm not putting them down yeah i don't like going to

00:28:09.320 town for stuff i like when somebody brings it to my door but but i also don't like the lectures

00:28:14.680 right let's not pretend don't don't show me your commercial with all these wind farms when i know

00:28:20.020 that you're actually driving a truck here on diesel yeah and you know and it's not going to be an ev

00:28:25.420 in the middle of winter in alberta that's for sure for sure not i mean i imagine these big tech

00:28:30.280 companies and amazon i'm sure their environmental footprint is larger than some countries in the

00:28:36.740 developing world i'm sure it's just enormous yes i'm i know that it is i've seen that i can't remember

00:28:42.560 the statistic off the top of my head but it's that is exactly true now let's talk about some of the

00:28:48.320 things that friends of science is up to you were on a podcast with dr tammy nemeth and that's no

00:28:55.600 small potatoes she's an independent historian and researcher based in the uk with a phd in history

00:29:02.160 from the university of british columbia so what were you doing on there michelle yeah well i'm an

00:29:08.380 ordinary person so no the heck you aren't but no what we are talking about the ipcc and about

00:29:14.780 the upcoming cop 26 in glasgow and uh and the green forces behind all of this of course uh dr

00:29:22.500 nemeth is the one who wrote the reports for two of the reports for the allen inquiry and uh a lot of

00:29:29.980 people said oh well you know that was uh climate change denial i think martin olzynski was very big on

00:29:35.840 that out of the ufc but in fact that's not the case she's an excellent historian and uh she has a

00:29:42.200 very good grasp of the global scope of this movement to go green um and so it was quite a bit of fun

00:29:49.160 to speak with her and we covered a lot of territory so i i and she's interviewed a lot of very interesting

00:29:55.320 people h sterling burnett she interviewed robert bryce recently who's an excellent commentator on

00:30:01.640 energy policy issues mark morano and mark is going to be our upcoming guest at our um new uh event

00:30:10.500 this year's event uh so um mark has just written a book called green fraud um but uh he'll be talking

00:30:19.840 about a number of things at our event anyway so let's talk about your event because uh that's coming up

00:30:25.660 right away i think you have two you have one on october 2nd i think and one right after that

00:30:30.760 and i love mark morano he's such a character um he's so fun to listen to i could listen to him all day

00:30:37.340 but he makes you know like for me the politics of climate change and the the green fraud around

00:30:44.600 climate change and how progressivism keeps poor people poor in the developing world that's very

00:30:49.560 interesting to me i get it i'm sort of a niche customer of that because it can be sort of big

00:30:55.420 and broad and let's be honest sometimes it feels a little boring for normal people but he makes it

00:31:01.440 very interesting because he's a character on his own so you guys are bringing mark in to talk well

00:31:07.120 we'll be doing this online yeah we have two online events coming up so dr husberghut will be our first

00:31:13.920 speaker and he will be on october the 2nd and uh this will be uh coming to us from holland so i'll be

00:31:22.520 hosting and then we will uh present a pre-tape presentation of his with his powerpoint and his

00:31:29.940 uh details on let the data speak and really his argument is that you know there's all these

00:31:36.740 ideological claims and you know aspirations but let's look at the actual data and see what it says

00:31:43.440 about climate change and um so uh he's the president of quintel he is a co-founder with

00:31:49.780 marcel crock so uh very interesting and very uh decent person great person to talk with so i'm

00:31:57.420 really looking forward to that and then on the sixth we will have another online event with mark

00:32:02.420 morano and uh it's mark morano's talk is called green fraud the great regret instead of the great

00:32:09.400 reset the great regret yeah so he'll be showing us why there are regrettable policies and well for

00:32:16.960 instance speaking of energy i saw this morning that in the uk power prices are expected to rise

00:32:24.620 2100 percent over the same price of last year at this time because they have a shortage of capacity

00:32:32.700 now they phased out coal you don't have enough lng natural gas uh and um their power prices are just

00:32:40.060 going berserk so then they may have to resort to rolling blackouts so that's what happens when you

00:32:48.340 destabilize your reliable grid with wind and solar and you do so regardless of considerations for

00:32:56.200 um consumer and industrial demand californication that you know that's what that is yeah well you

00:33:04.980 know i'll tell you a little story the first time i met mark morano um moments later he was hauled away

00:33:09.900 by moroccan security forces from the un complex because he took the paris accord and shredded it

00:33:18.320 right in the middle of the un complex right in front of the place where all the journalists

00:33:24.200 were holed up inside in all their air conditioning he took the paris accord and a paper shredder

00:33:29.400 um and a big picture donald trump was beside him and he just shredded it and then moroccan police i'm

00:33:34.560 like well i hope i see mark morano again sometime ever again i don't know wow well you know it's funny

00:33:43.680 because when um extinction rebellion or greenpeace do street theater like that they're almost never

00:33:48.780 hauled away people kind of stand around and go well we don't want to hurt their feelings

00:33:53.080 so yeah same thing when uh we were once again mark does some kind of stunt we were in uh

00:34:00.980 bond germany again at the un climate change conference this time we were not allowed inside

00:34:06.460 um and he boarded the greenpeace boat because the night before greenpeace was boarding the coal ships in

00:34:14.580 the rhine that were going past so they boarded the coal ships so mark was like let's board their ship he 0.60

00:34:20.780 dressed like the captain of the love boat and boarded their ship and started ringing a bell about

00:34:25.920 you know like it was a climate fraud or something like that and the police came we ran away and that

00:34:31.360 was that so the moral of the story is anytime you're with mark morano keep an eye out for the cops because

00:34:38.220 they're coming well i wonder if they can get them online now how do people get tickets for your event or

00:34:46.680 how do they uh watch your online events well it's going to be free this time oh wow yeah so uh we just

00:34:54.280 felt that it would appeal to a broader audience and uh be somewhat less complicated um and uh so

00:35:01.700 we'll be making further announcements we just started promoting it um but to to find out more you can

00:35:08.260 always go to our home page which is friendsofscience.org and there up in the corner you'll find a little

00:35:14.880 become a member donate button and we'd love it if everybody would become a member and or donate

00:35:20.000 and um because we're a very small group we run on about 150 000 a year from our member subscribers

00:35:26.840 and you know we're up against uh groups like uh the suzuki foundation for instance they have an

00:35:34.460 endowment fund that i think has uh interest return of 190 000 a year so so uh you know and they had in

00:35:44.020 their bank account 19 million dollars in assets so you know we're not on a scale of these major

00:35:51.080 engos which are all tax subsidized by you so if you'd rather support somebody who's speaking up on

00:35:58.660 behalf of consumers and taxpayers please support us and um so we're also on facebook and we're on twitter

00:36:06.940 linkedin youtube and instagram so you know you can engage with us on social media and um and we invite

00:36:16.240 you to comment participate we don't want dogma we want to hear what you want to say and think you know

00:36:23.160 that's one thing that friends of science always promotes is a civil discussion about the topic of

00:36:29.620 climate change because we're not even allowed to talk about it as you point out with scientists being

00:36:34.420 censored we're not even allowed to have a discussion about these issues let alone a civil one you can't

00:36:41.600 even say like maybe i think the sun has a bit to do of it i'll do with it all of a sudden you are a

00:36:46.600 climate change denier and you want to make sure that nobody's grandchildren ever walk the face of the

00:36:51.180 earth that's you know instead of being we're just we have different and divergent opinions on this

00:36:56.680 we've gone from being you're not wrong you're also evil that's sort of where we've ended up here

00:37:03.040 right and i think that the the sad thing there is you know we talk a lot in society today about a

00:37:09.600 spectrum of people of different genders different races different viewpoints but there's no climate

00:37:17.000 diversity so you know one of the themes that i've recently adopted is climate diversity is our strength

00:37:22.940 and you can actually see we've got a little spectrum that we post from time to time and we ask people

00:37:27.700 where are you on the spectrum of climate change you know are you a person who just ignores it or maybe

00:37:33.040 you're one who thinks it's a existential crisis but in between that there's lots of different views

00:37:39.080 about it you know and we as a democratic society we should be considerate of the fact that there are

00:37:45.880 many different views and many different reasons for those views and not just only listen to the

00:37:51.260 extremists who are concerned about a potential extinction which as i noted earlier the catastrophe

00:37:59.180 scenario is off the table people are not even using that anymore you know it's good news but it goes

00:38:07.800 unreported because it doesn't fit it fit an agenda you think that that would be everywhere like oh

00:38:12.840 guess what we're not gonna die in 12 years i guess it doesn't fit the agenda uh michelle i could

00:38:18.760 talk to you all day um but i know that you and i we you and i both have other things to do thank you

00:38:24.140 so much for coming on the show thank you so much for always cutting through the bs and the hyperbole

00:38:29.080 um and offering us a little bit of hope and um quelling some of that climate anxiety that i think is

00:38:35.580 so infectious in society these days yeah my pleasure thank you so much sheila thank you we'll have you on again

00:38:41.920 real soon

00:38:48.760 all friends of science has ever asked for is a civil debate on climate change the fair exchange

00:38:59.400 of ideas that's what the city of regina denied the public when they canceled dr patrick moore as a

00:39:06.000 speaker at their sustainability event but you know what we don't need permission to have dangerous

00:39:12.800 conversations we don't need permission from a city we don't need it from justin trudeau we don't need it

00:39:17.860 from anyone this for now is still a free society well everybody i want to thank you so much as

00:39:24.620 always for tuning in i'll see everybody back here in the same time in the same place next week and

00:39:29.620 remember don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think

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Rebel News Podcast - September 16, 2021

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Challenging the federal leadership hysteria over climate change

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