Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Climate scaremongers want new ways to punish us for being alive

00:00:00.000 The world's control freaks and busybodies are meeting this week in the United Arab Emirates

00:00:04.960 to devise new ways to control your life. I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:10.400 Today's show topic is similar to last week's. I'm talking about the annual United Nations

00:00:33.680 Climate Change Conference. It's known as COP or Conference of the Parties 28. You might see that

00:00:40.560 in news jargon, but really it's the annual climate summit where the people who want to control what

00:00:49.260 you can do and say and think and move and eat all meet together for their little cabal talk fest

00:01:01.480 where they devise new ways to make life more expensive for you. And it's often held in some

00:01:08.060 of the nicer, more exotic places of the world with the exception of Katowice, Poland. Although I thought

00:01:12.960 it was really nice because when I was in Poland, it was in Poland's cool country. And so I really

00:01:20.200 liked it. I'm not sure the climate gurus did. But this year it's in the United Arab Emirates,

00:01:26.540 one of the most energy intensive places on the face of the earth, a place that was built nearly

00:01:33.580 entirely with oil and gas wealth. And the United Arab Emirates isn't about to change that. I'll

00:01:41.040 discuss all that today in my interview with my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science.

00:01:46.840 So we're building on last week's show where we interviewed Robert Lyman about what to expect

00:01:51.780 from the Climate Change Conference. Michelle is going to talk about what we're seeing now coming

00:01:56.000 out of the Climate Change Conference. And then we're going to talk about the ongoing problem

00:02:02.200 with academic censorship, both on the issue of climate change, but also on all issues. If you wonder why

00:02:10.080 the academics of the world have this bizarre homogeneity to their opinions, they literally all think the

00:02:18.440 same. It's not because all academics do think the same. It's because the ones who think differently

00:02:23.740 are having their papers pulled and are getting cancelled. And that happened to Michelle. So

00:02:28.780 here's the interview we recorded just moments ago. Take a listen.

00:02:40.100 So joining me now is my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science. We're going to be talking

00:02:45.180 about what's happening in the UAE right now. It's called COP28. But it's the annual UN Climate

00:02:53.820 Change Conference. That's just UN academic jargon, COP28, so that you don't really know what's going on.

00:03:00.640 So we're going to talk about that. But then we're going to talk about some academic censorship,

00:03:04.640 which is happening in the climate change debate all the time. But it happens in a bunch of other

00:03:11.060 places too, so that the powers that be can say, look, see, everybody agrees with us. Michelle,

00:03:18.540 thanks for coming on the show. Let's start with what's happening at the UN Climate Change Conference

00:03:24.260 in the UAE. I recently got back from the UAE in September. And that is one place that needs a lot

00:03:33.120 of reliable energy. Now, it is also a place where renewables can work because they get so much sun

00:03:40.100 but they are also living on fossil fuels just like the rest of us. It's a place where they just build

00:03:46.680 things because they have the energy and resources to do it. And I really don't think that environmental

00:03:52.380 considerations are that much of a thing there. But tell us, what can we expect from COP28,

00:04:00.380 the UN Climate Change Conference?

00:04:01.540 Well, let me just start by thanks for having me on the show. But also, you recently interviewed Robert

00:04:10.500 Lyman. And Robert had given us six themes that would be discussed at COP28. So we did six short

00:04:19.860 explainer videos going through each of those themes. Now, one of them is a course correction for climate

00:04:25.700 action. So they're trying to evaluate how far countries have progressed along in their goals

00:04:32.020 in the past five years, because that's all part of the Paris Agreement that every five years you have

00:04:39.660 to report on how far you've gone along. So contrary to public belief in Canada, the Paris Agreement is a

00:04:47.020 not binding agreement. Canada made it binding, but it's not a legally binding agreement.

00:04:54.020 So they're going to try and see how far the gap is between nationally determined contributions and

00:05:01.180 DCs. That's the country's promise to reduce emissions and where they are today.

00:05:08.680 There's also going to be delivering on promises, which is related to promises made to the developing

00:05:17.180 world that they're going to create this huge funding. There's another one, a phasing out

00:05:23.360 fossil fuels. Now, all of them, as you noted, are in a place that relies entirely on fossil fuels,

00:05:30.980 and they only got there by fossil fuels, but they want to phase it out. And they're really making

00:05:37.060 strident efforts to do that. And I'll tell you a funny story after. Another one is the exponential

00:05:42.740 expansion of renewables, the doubling of energy efficiency, and the reduction of methane,

00:05:52.840 methane, however you want to pronounce it, which of course has just popped up in the news because

00:05:58.000 Minister Gilboa jumped a surprise on Alberta. And then there's also the scaling up of accountability.

00:06:06.080 This sounds kind of lightweight, but when you think that the tiny island of Vanuatu went to the UN General

00:06:14.840 Assembly with a report that was probably co-authored by West Coast Environmental Law, because they've been

00:06:22.640 working very closely with the tiny island of Vanuatu. They took their report to the UN General Assembly and asked it to

00:06:29.920 forward it to the International Court of Justice for an opinion as to whether or not climate

00:06:37.380 laggardness can be criminalized, so that criminal action can be taken against countries for not meeting 0.97

00:06:46.240 their targets. So you can see where that would go. Lots of business for lawyers, but lots of ridiculous

00:06:53.500 things for us. And last of all, delivering for nature and people. And that's all about creating the

00:07:01.740 monetization of natural resources. And I'm not talking about oil, gas, coal, forests. I'm talking about

00:07:08.880 turning oceans, forests, pasture land, indigenous protected areas into commodities that people can trade for

00:07:21.700 carbon credits. And this is where the whole land back movement and land guardian movement within

00:07:28.720 Canada's indigenous community is, this is where it's going, that people will pay to keep a forest or grassland 1.00

00:07:38.300 or seashore pristine, because they'll be buying carbon credits. Now, of course, you and I will never

00:07:46.580 benefit from that money. And these are ostensibly Canadian resources that belong to everyone. So I

00:07:54.500 think that that's one of the more important things that people should be keeping an eye on. But I don't

00:07:59.200 think anyone's even talking about it. No, no. And you know, where do farmers fit in the mix, right?

00:08:05.600 Right, like we steward the land. If you care about carbon sequestration, we do that through cattle

00:08:12.740 grazing. But nobody pays us to keep the land nice and tidy. In fact, we pay owners carbon taxes.

00:08:23.620 Well, you see, I think part of the plan is to make the carbon tax so onerous that if somebody came to

00:08:28.660 you and said, Sheila, how about if you and your family didn't farm, we'll pay you to not farm? How 1.00

00:08:34.260 about if we pay you to get rid of whatever livestock you have? So we'll be saving the planet, you'll be

00:08:39.860 making a buck, everything will be great. Right? Yeah. It's just, you know, ultimately, we'll all

00:08:44.900 starve or have to eat crickets. Well, yeah, exactly. Fewer farmers, food inflation continues to go sky

00:08:51.140 high. And yeah, we're all enjoying the cricket milk of tomorrow. I wanted to talk to you about this,

00:08:59.380 this topic of phasing out fossil fuels, they really are pushing for this at the United Nations. Now,

00:09:03.780 I got to give it to the UAE for being a little bit cheeky. And it's something that I've seen before, 1.00

00:09:09.300 and we're seeing again this year, in a couple of different ways. So I saw this in Katowice,

00:09:15.380 Poland. Poland was happy to take the United Nations money, and all the tourism and the tens of thousands

00:09:23.140 of activists coming into this small city and spending their money and staying in the hotels and

00:09:29.540 renting the Airbnbs and using the Ubers. But they also put the UN Climate Change Conference

00:09:36.420 right next door to the coal miners museum. And they're very, the Katowice is in the heart of coal

00:09:41.460 country. There's a, they're a super duper, like, pro coal, you go to the mall, and they have coal miners

00:09:47.300 displays. And, and they opened the UN Climate Change Conference with the coal miners marching band.

00:09:54.180 And I thought, okay, I see what they're doing here. They just want the UN's money. They're not on board

00:09:59.140 with any of this. I really enjoyed it. And then in Bonn, Germany, the Trump administration, happy to go to

00:10:06.900 the Climate Change Conference to talk about fracking and coal. They had a big pavilion there promoting

00:10:16.980 how U.S. energy is cleaner. Alberta is doing the same thing this year. They're bringing a massive delegation,

00:10:24.340 but it's more of a sales delegation, talking about carbon capture, and natural gas, and how Alberta's energy

00:10:32.820 is much cleaner than a lot of places of the world. And the UAE, to their credit, I got to give it to them.

00:10:38.740 They've decided that, oh, since all the diplomats are in town for the Climate Change Conference,

00:10:44.580 let's buttonhole them on some liquefied natural gas deals since they're here. So UAE is using the fact

00:10:52.020 that all these diplomats and dealmakers are in town, and they're using it to not phase out fossil

00:10:57.780 fuels, but to sign fossil fuel deals on the side. And I love to see it.

00:11:04.180 Well, you know, the late Professor Dr. Istvan Marko wrote a blog post for us back in about 2015,

00:11:12.580 I think it was. And he outlined that these conferences of the parties where everyone

00:11:18.660 thinks they're addressing climate change, they're actually just a big trade fair. And up until the

00:11:24.660 recent energy crunch, what's happened is all the countries would go to these events and say,

00:11:31.620 India would say, wow, you know, we'd love to build a solar farm if only we had the money. And Germany would 0.77

00:11:37.620 say, well, you know what, we'll give you $20 million. And you can build your solar farm with

00:11:43.780 that. And India would be like, oh, that's fantastic. Thank you so much. And they say,

00:11:47.780 the only stipulation is you have to buy it from Siemens, our company in our country. So that is

00:11:56.100 probably the circular economy that everyone talks about. When people think the circular economy is

00:12:01.700 about recycling. I think this is the kind of, let's call it financial recycling that goes on.

00:12:08.340 Now, of course, what's happened in the past couple of years, and especially

00:12:12.980 since two things, the divestment program, the Mark Carney comments that, you know, anyone using

00:12:19.220 fossil fuels will be and not recognizing climate change will be bankrupted. And the conflict between

00:12:27.540 Russia and Ukraine, these elements have caused a tremendous energy shortage. Like there's a huge

00:12:35.700 energy gap in the world that cannot be met without at least a decade of additional exploration and

00:12:43.220 development. So everybody wants to buy energy because many countries are completely reliant on it.

00:12:51.620 You know, nobody, you can't even run your wind and solar farms without conventional energy

00:12:56.260 to back it up. So, of course, at this COP, the countries are doing big business on oil and gas

00:13:05.220 because they desperately need it. Otherwise, their country will die. I mean, look at Germany. Germany's 0.61

00:13:11.860 industry is leaving. What's it called? The BASF plant. They have a huge plant there. It's about 10 square

00:13:23.620 kilometers. And they need natural gas as a product stream and for the energy to run the plant. It

00:13:30.100 employs about 29,000 people. Well, they're moving to China because they just don't have energy supply

00:13:37.060 at an economical rate in Germany anymore. Germany is importing LNG from the United States. They made 0.99

00:13:45.780 some floating tank LNG terminals kind of as a desperate effort. They managed to build it within a

00:13:52.100 year because they didn't even have one terminal. They completely relied on gas pipelines from Germany.

00:13:59.620 So, you know, they're really suffering. The people there are suffering. And even The Economist reported

00:14:06.580 last year that more people died of energy poverty than of COVID. So, you know, it's a real crisis. And,

00:14:15.460 you know, we're so blessed with fossil fuels in North America and especially in Alberta. We don't see it.

00:14:21.540 We don't even know that this kind of thing is happening, but it's also impacting us as well.

00:14:26.340 Well, yeah. And it's coming for us if our premier doesn't fight these onerous

00:14:33.620 regulations that are being just smashed onto us undemocratically from our friends in Ottawa.

00:14:41.300 You mentioned the methane targets. That's directly targeting Alberta after we've decided to fight

00:14:47.300 the feds and win on C-69 on the plastics ban. And so we've embarrassed the feds.

00:14:55.300 And so they're coming at us another way.

00:14:57.300 Yeah. And also, I mean, one of the interesting things at COP, I don't know if you heard about it,

00:15:01.860 but the host president, Sultan al-Jabbar, was in a conversation with Mary Robinson,

00:15:10.020 who's one of the elders, you know, and a couple of other women. And they were

00:15:14.260 doing sort of like a Catherine McKenna style, you know, women are kicking it on climate. 1.00

00:15:18.900 Like, we're the ones who are changing the world, right? And so he confronted them directly and said,

00:15:24.820 listen, you know, there is no path to keeping temperatures below 1.5 degrees Celsius by phasing

00:15:32.100 out fossil fuels, you know, and we'll all end up living in caves. And I mean, this was like,

00:15:39.060 how could it be? You know, and Elizabeth May tweeted, he showed his true colors. He's just an oil guy.

00:15:45.780 And it's like, Elizabeth May, how did you get there? You know, he's a realist. He's a chemical

00:15:51.380 engineer by training and an economist. And I believe he got his scholarship to go to university

00:15:57.300 in the States via the oil company, the national oil company there. So, you know, and he lives in this

00:16:04.820 magnificent city of Dubai built in the desert, literally from the sands, right, into this fantastic

00:16:12.740 city. So anyway, we did a little explainer about that. We called it shock at cop. And we just posted

00:16:18.900 it the day before yesterday, it's already got 4000 views. But it gives you very good insights into

00:16:26.340 the, the reality check that he threw, you know, like a cat among the pigeons at everybody there.

00:16:33.300 And they're all in shock. Like, how can it be? But he's right.

00:16:36.900 Yeah, of course, he's right. Like I said, I just got home from Dubai. And it is an America. It's an

00:16:42.980 amazing place where if you can dream it, they will build it. And it is this place of just absolute

00:16:51.940 industry. And it's, it's like a city of the future with bullet trains and massive buildings and glass

00:17:01.140 everywhere. And it is only made possible through the opulence and wealth and reliable energy of fossil

00:17:08.900 fuels. And so I don't know what the UN thought that they were going to get going to this benevolent

00:17:15.140 dictatorship of the UAE and thinking, yeah, no, these, these people here are totally going to adopt our ways 0.87

00:17:22.020 of the future. I think the UAE is one of those places where you can showcase renewables because they

00:17:28.260 work in that climate and also how energy wealth is, is does wonderful things for both an economy, but a society.

00:17:42.100 Yeah. Yeah, really. I mean, one of the great things is there's so many pictures on, on shutterstock

00:17:48.580 and adobe stock, literally of the desert and the city right behind it. So, you know, if,

00:17:57.860 if all those cop activists had to go out in the desert for a day or two, without the conveniences

00:18:04.180 of Dubai, they'd be begging for help within a couple of hours. Yeah. I mean, they did that in

00:18:11.300 Morocco. They built an entire disposable city right next door to Marrakesh. And you went inside this 0.98

00:18:19.380 little disposable city that was made of plastic. It was all just sort of plastic Quonsets and,

00:18:25.060 and climate controlled buildings. And once you got inside, you couldn't really,

00:18:31.540 you couldn't see outside. It was like this magical bubble where the temperature was so low that I came

00:18:38.260 home with a cold. Like that's how high they had the air conditioning cranked up to make it comfortable

00:18:45.380 for the people telling you that you have to have a low flow toilet in your house. Bizarre.

00:18:54.180 Yeah. Well, that's also one of the ironies of this year's cop is the UNEP just put out a report

00:18:59.540 on air conditioning and how bad it is and how they want to find other ways to cool the world.

00:19:04.500 In the UAE. It's like, come on, you guys, like wake up. It's just crazy. Anyway, have you seen Dr.

00:19:12.100 Vipon there? Oh, oh, yeah. Dr. Vipon showed up at a environmental defense conference the other day,

00:19:19.620 wearing some kind of a, what do you call that for horses? A feed bag on his face. So I guess he was

00:19:28.820 trying to show that he's a medical doctor, but he couldn't really do that on the panel. You know,

00:19:33.140 here when they were doing coal phase out, he kept showing up in his scrubs and stuff scoped around

00:19:38.100 his neck like, hey, I just left Emerge and here I am to advocate for coal phase out. But he did manage

00:19:45.780 to do a little bit of street theater. He's got a huge plastic earth that he was doing CPR on the other

00:19:53.540 day because he took his white coat with him and his stethoscope. So anyway, and he was

00:20:03.140 front page news for climate news walking down the street in his white lab coat and the earth,

00:20:11.940 the big plastic earth on his shoulder. Plastic earth. You know, these people with their God

00:20:16.180 complexes, hey? Like walking around like Atlas with the earth on his shoulders. I just want to touch on

00:20:24.180 this because you talked about Mark Carney and we didn't talk about this as we were talking about what we

00:20:29.060 were going to talk about in the interview today. But did you see the news? It was yesterday. Mark Carney's

00:20:34.820 group, his investor, his little group, Brookfield, which is not little at all. It's Canada's largest

00:20:43.140 investment firm. It's accused of underreporting its carbon emissions because they were, they only track

00:20:51.140 theirs. They don't track the ones that like the of the companies that Brookfield funds. So one of

00:20:58.980 those is Oak Tree Capital Management, which accounts for about 22 percent of Brookfield's assets under

00:21:08.420 management. And Oak Tree has stakes in at least 118 fossil fuel assets. Now, the greatest irony in all of

00:21:18.500 this is that Mark Carney is the head of GFANS or GFANS or whatever you call it. But he's also the

00:21:25.940 UN climate czar. He's the chief climate scold at the World Economic Forum. But his GFANS, I forgot what 0.56

00:21:35.380 it stands for. The Glasgow Financial Alliance for Net Zero, I think. Right. That's exactly what it is. The

00:21:44.580 Glasgow Financial Alliance for Net Zero. And what these guys do is they go around and threaten companies

00:21:51.460 and say, look, if you're not meeting the Paris targets, which are non-binding, but boy, we're

00:21:56.420 going to make them bind to you, then we're going to make sure that you don't qualify for finance for

00:22:02.820 your projects or insurance. So it's this social credit, climate credit, debanking scheme that Mark

00:22:10.980 Carney has organized against other companies, because nobody should be making money off fossil

00:22:17.940 fuels, except if it's him at Brookfield through Oak Tree. Yeah. And speaking of these draconian measures,

00:22:27.940 Senator Rosa Galvez is over at COP28 as well. And she's leading the charge on climate aligned finance.

00:22:37.380 She's got a bill called S-243. And basically, they want to ensure that no company that's invested in

00:22:46.260 fossil fuels can be financed, and that no energy experts can be on the boards of company. They have

00:22:53.860 to put a climate expert on the board, which of course will be someone from the Pembina Institute,

00:23:01.300 you know, some graduate from these foreign funded environmental groups that have been part of the

00:23:06.900 Tar Sands campaign for the past 30 years. They will be elevated to a position of climate expert

00:23:14.100 on the board. So now we'll have corporations with people on the board who don't know anything about

00:23:20.260 energy advising us into the real end scene of Atlas Shrugged. You know, when the lights go out,

00:23:29.460 then we can start rebuilding society again. And like, this is a very, very dangerous bill.

00:23:35.540 And I don't know why it's coming from the Senate. You know, there's a whole group of climate senators,

00:23:41.860 about 40 of them, I think, who are on this bandwagon. And if you look on the Senate website,

00:23:47.620 especially on Rosa Galvez website, you'll find that all these big NGOs, of course, are pushing behind it. 0.98

00:23:55.220 So it's very, very dangerous. You know, this is the death of society. Like people don't realize

00:24:02.900 without fossil fuels, about 6 billion people would die within six months.

00:24:08.500 It's also the death of your retirement in your investment portfolio, because you don't have the

00:24:14.500 proper people managing these companies, and they will just lose money. We already have this push for

00:24:20.340 gender parity. And look, I believe that women can do business, don't get me wrong. But to just shoehorn 1.00

00:24:28.580 women onto the boards of these companies, instead of let's go out there and find the best person for 1.00

00:24:33.140 the job, that also has a detrimental effect to the financial affairs of regular people investing in

00:24:40.500 these companies. But now we have like climate justice activists, whose only experience with business

00:24:46.580 has been working as a barista, while they were getting their busybody social justice degrees

00:24:52.420 before they went to work for Pembina. I think we're like, this is why normal people should really

00:24:57.220 care about what happens on the boards of these big companies.

00:25:02.340 Yeah, and people are not aware of it. And, you know, the other thing, of course, at COP is the COP,

00:25:09.940 the CAPE doctors are there, that's Canadian Association of Physicians for the Environment.

00:25:14.980 And I just had an article in the Western Standard, actually, about the fact that these climate doctors

00:25:22.500 are creating very serious issues for the public, because they're more focused on putting things

00:25:31.060 like solar panels on the roof of hospitals, or measuring grandma's carbon footprint of her frailty,

00:25:38.500 rather than actually treating patients. So there are two doctors there, Dr. Courtney Howard.

00:25:46.580 And she, in a TED Talk video, showed a graph a few years ago, I think it was 2017,

00:25:54.180 a graph of who is most trusted in society. And doctors and nurses were at the top of the list.

00:25:59.860 Well, you can take a similar graph from abacus data back in 2018. And the Canadian priorities were

00:26:07.860 improved healthcare, that was number one. And at the bottom of the list was climate change. So you see

00:26:13.620 what they've done is that they've married climate change and healthcare, because no one cares about

00:26:19.860 climate change, not real people, right? Only the activists care about it. But everybody cares about

00:26:25.860 healthcare. But that's a very dangerous, dangerous conflation. So we and we have a few videos,

00:26:34.420 even Tedros from the World Health Organization, the other day was talking about how, you know, to

00:26:41.380 to change climate change, we need to address healthcare. And to do that, we need to

00:26:49.380 build more renewables. That has nothing to do with healthcare. That's just an expensive waste of money.

00:26:56.180 And a way to make your power system more unreliable, which, you know, in surgery,

00:27:01.620 you need reliable power. Yeah, we saw this play out in real time in Texas, when they got hit with a

00:27:08.580 freak snowstorm. And then they had no power at the hospitals, because renewables couldn't keep up. So I

00:27:15.060 don't want to live like that. But now I want to just quickly change lanes. But I think it's all part of

00:27:21.700 the same issue. And this is something that Friends of Science, this is like, on Michelle Sterling personal

00:27:28.580 side, but this is also something that Friends of Science has been asking for wanting advocating for

00:27:35.700 since always. And that's just civil debate on contentious issues amongst people. And, you know,

00:27:44.980 it's there's so much shut uppery coming from the other side of the climate debate. But this is

00:27:50.660 something that happens across academia and politics constantly. In the climate change debate,

00:27:57.860 we hear frequently from advocates of taxes changing the weather that 97% of scientists agree,

00:28:04.740 well, what happens to the other 3%, even though I mean, that number is, there's a lot of explanation

00:28:11.460 why that number was never accurate to start with. But even if that were the case, it, it's because so

00:28:18.660 frequently, people are just told to shut up canceled and their papers scrubbed from the internet. And

00:28:25.860 you've had this happen to you. Tell us about this.

00:28:31.060 Yeah, well, this just happened recently, actually. I have a number of papers posted on Social Science

00:28:37.860 Research Network, which is a preprint network. So it doesn't go through actual peer review, but it's

00:28:43.220 like where you can post working papers, and then you can interact with other people about the content.

00:28:47.940 Do they see your point of view? You know, should you modify it in some way?

00:28:52.180 Debate. Sorry, I just wanted to cut you off. A debate. So people can engage in a rational debate

00:28:59.860 and share ideas on contentious topics, or even not even contentious topics, just make the work

00:29:06.500 better. And anyway, sorry to interrupt. This seems like a great thing. But apparently it's not.

00:29:13.140 Yeah, well, that's the whole idea of having like a preprint working site, you know. And then,

00:29:18.340 so one of the papers I had written critiqued the work of Professor Timothy Haney, who's at Mount Royal

00:29:25.860 University. And he had done a paper called Scientists Don't Care About the Truth. I think that was the

00:29:36.100 quote. It was with Taylor and Francis that it's published. And what he'd done is that he went through

00:29:44.100 a series of interviews that were done about the Calgary flood in 2015. And it appears that he mined

00:29:52.900 the informal comments made by about 40 residents who live in those flood-prone areas. Most of them

00:29:59.940 were engaged in the oil and gas industry in some way. Executives, geophysicists, financiers.

00:30:05.780 So it looks like he mined this very old conversational data and then applied his own

00:30:14.660 interpretation to it to basically show that they're all a bunch of climate change deniers.

00:30:19.860 So I believe that this violates the fundamental principle, ethical principle in academics of informed

00:30:28.500 consent. Because if I interview you in 2015 and I don't ask you any direct questions about scientists

00:30:35.620 or science or climate change, then how can I many years later go back to your material and claim

00:30:43.460 that this is representative of what you actually thought then or think now? Because, you know,

00:30:50.420 A, I need your approval to reuse material. And B, you might have changed your view. And one of the

00:30:56.980 principles of informed consent is that no harm should come from interviewing subjects in social sciences.

00:31:06.580 You know, and that's a very real thing. Particularly, let's say you're interviewing

00:31:12.580 vulnerable people, say prostitutes or drug addicts or something, you don't want them to end up going

00:31:18.740 to jail because you did an interview with them. At the same token, in this case, the whole policy

00:31:25.700 framework for climate change has changed very dramatically from 2015 when the Trudeau government was

00:31:31.380 elected. And climate change was something that people could still debate quite openly to today,

00:31:37.780 where people like Mark Carney and Minister Gilboa are quite keen to put people in jail or to bankrupt them

00:31:46.340 if their views don't align with the federal public policy. So I think that serious harms have been done to the

00:31:55.380 reputation of the industry. And I've requested from Mount Royal University evidence and proof that people did

00:32:03.300 actually offer their informed consent. So 40 people were interviewed. If any of those people would like

00:32:09.540 to contact me or do so anonymously, you can get me at media at friendsofscience.org.

00:32:16.260 So that paper was taken down, but I have reposted it on my own blog. And then about the same time,

00:32:24.580 I'd done another paper that, which is on a slightly different topic, on the issue of Indigenous

00:32:33.620 residential schools. And this rebutted a paper by Sean Carlton out of the University of Manitoba in

00:32:41.140 Winnipeg. And Carlton had written a paper some time ago that attacked former Senator Lynn Bayak

00:32:50.420 and basically smeared and mocked her and really didn't provide any information. So I wrote quite

00:32:57.220 an extensive rebuttal because, you know, what a lot of people don't understand about the treaty issue and

00:33:02.980 the residential school issue is that at the time of signing of the numbered treaties,

00:33:10.340 the United States was engaged in an Indian war. From 1644 to 1924, the US cavalry was hunting down

00:33:21.780 Indian tribes and murdering a lot of them. So much so that Sitting Bull and his people came to Canada 1.00

00:33:28.980 for safety after they wiped out General Custer. So, you know, they saw Canada as a safe haven.

00:33:36.660 Anyway, because of the push for settlement across the United States, the buffalo were all wiped out. There

00:33:42.580 was no more future as a buffalo hunter. And it was Sir John A. MacDonald who invited the treaty chiefs to

00:33:54.420 come east and see how society was developing there. And also to tour the Mohawk Institute as a residential

00:34:01.700 school and industrial school and see what they could do to train up their people for the just

00:34:07.380 transition of the 1900s. And they agreed to this model. They thought it was a good idea. So anyway,

00:34:16.100 I rebut Sean Carlton's material and I included it. Well, actually, it got also taken down rather

00:34:24.900 summarily. And I was told that I could never post anything again on Social Science Research Net. But

00:34:31.060 anyway, I've incorporated it into a report that also deconstructs the media claims. This is another

00:34:38.020 Carlton report where he and Reid Gerbrand of the University of Manitoba, they claim that the media never

00:34:46.740 created the mass graves hoax. But I show point by point that in fact, the media not only created it,

00:34:54.340 but they continue to embellish it and press it on. No bodies have ever been found at Kamloops. No graves

00:35:04.260 have been exhumed. It's most likely that those are clay tiles of a septic trench that was abandoned years

00:35:11.300 ago that were found by Dr. Sarah Beaulieu with her GPR. So people are actually wearing t-shirts and

00:35:22.260 and marching for the 215 septic tiles. They're not children. There are records of 50 children who did

00:35:31.620 die related to the Kamloops Indian Residential School. Most of them did not die of any nefarious cause at the

00:35:40.820 school. So Nina Green has a very detailed report. And in fact, I included it in my report. So,

00:35:49.940 you know, that's the only thing you can do is to try and post your material elsewhere when you get

00:35:54.340 cancelled. But you must not give up because, you know, we live in a society that is still to some

00:36:00.660 extent democratic. And the only way to keep it that way is to keep open civil debate going on. 0.99

00:36:06.580 Now, there are some pretty serious implications, though, of some proposed federal government

00:36:14.900 legislation that would criminalize your dissent on the issue of residential school graves,

00:36:23.700 specifically at Kamloops. They want to make residential school denialism akin to Holocaust denialism.

00:36:30.580 Well, I don't deny that residential schools existed or that some people did suffer harm.

00:36:40.180 But I disagree that the harm was widespread. And certainly, you know, the wilder stories that

00:36:48.580 have been told, and most of these very wild, nefarious tales have popped up

00:36:54.260 after the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. We never heard them before. And, you know, I spent

00:37:01.540 many years in the Glenbow Museum, I did a series of documentaries over the course of three years,

00:37:07.300 working under the research supervision of Dr. Hugh Dempsey. And none of these kinds of things were ever

00:37:13.620 brought up at the time. And he knew the elders of the Blackfoot Nation very well. His father-in-law was

00:37:20.820 Senator James Gladstone and his wife Pauline Gladstone Dempsey. So, you know, it's, he had

00:37:31.140 first-hand information and not second-hand and not from some knowledge keeper who was six years old at

00:37:40.260 the time that the alleged events happened, right?

00:37:43.460 Yeah. And, you know, it's just so easily resolved to put a shovel in the ground.

00:37:51.780 But nobody is in some of these places. And you're right to point out that some of these claims have

00:37:59.380 popped up post-Truth and Reconciliation Committee, because now these claims are monetized.

00:38:07.780 Yes, that's part of it. That's a significant part of it. And I think there's also an element of

00:38:16.020 mass formation psychosis, where, because these are such horrific tales, it does grasp the imaginations

00:38:24.020 of people and does sweep them away. And we saw that with media coverage around the world, like nobody

00:38:29.380 asked any questions about it. And, you know, they just continued to spew the information that mass

00:38:38.180 graves had been found. And, you know, not only criminalization of so-called denialism, but there's

00:38:46.180 also this push now to keep this international forensic group from working on these projects, because the

00:38:56.180 indigenous groups say, oh, well, they don't have indigenous cultural ties. And therefore, we can't 0.98

00:39:02.420 have them excavate. Well, I want to point out that a lot of these graveyards were community graveyards.

00:39:09.300 That means my relatives might be buried there too. And maybe my cultural preferences should be observed

00:39:15.860 as well. You know, like, this is sacred ground to me too. And I'm a Canadian too. So we should have an

00:39:24.340 independent organization reviewing this material and everyone's rights and sacred observances should be

00:39:32.900 considered. You know, because people who were buried there typically were buried as Catholics or

00:39:39.220 Anglicans or Methodists with those rights. Well, the people who sent their children to those schools 0.97

00:39:47.140 were already Catholics. They were already Anglicans. Right.

00:39:50.180 They had been, they had chosen Christianity decades before. So, you know, these were not

00:39:58.740 forced conversion units as people try to impress upon others. The people who died were given proper

00:40:06.020 burial rights in the religion of their choice. And that should be respected too. 0.98

00:40:13.220 Michelle, how do people find the work, not only of Friends of Science, but also yours too? Because you,

00:40:21.140 on, on both issues of climate change, but also of just reality and truth, you do great work on that.

00:40:28.820 And it doesn't, I, I don't think you get the credit you deserve for it. And you're fighting

00:40:35.300 cancellation and fighting for free speech all the time. So how can people find your work,

00:40:39.940 but also how can people support your work?

00:40:44.180 Ah, well, for Friends of Science, you can find us at friendsofscience.org.

00:40:49.860 And you can just send us a little e-transfer, a Christmas present would be nice, you know,

00:40:56.020 to contact at friendsofscience.org. For my work, I'm on Medium, just under my name, Michelle Sterling.

00:41:04.100 And also, you can find me on a blog, Michelle Sterling, S-T-I-R-L-I-N-G.com.

00:41:12.260 And I've, I've started a substack called Climate of Hope. And that's where I want to address the

00:41:19.940 mass psychosis against children. You know, the fear mongering that's so devastating, so many of our

00:41:26.420 young people on climate change. So any of those, you can subscribe or send an e-transfer or just

00:41:34.660 whatever. Thank you.

00:41:36.980 Thank you. Michelle, thanks so much. If I don't speak to you before Christmas and Hanukkah,

00:41:41.060 Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah. And thanks so much for the work that you do to just bring reality and

00:41:47.460 some calm to these hyperbolic debates that I think so many Canadians are just getting absolutely overwhelmed with.

00:41:56.420 Thank you, Sheila. And yes, Happy Hanukkah to all of our Jewish viewers and Merry Christmas to all of our

00:42:04.180 Christian viewers and to you and to all the rebels. Keep being rebellious. Keep asking questions. That's all we can do.

00:42:19.460 Well, friends, we've come to the portion of the show wherein we invite your viewer feedback. I know if you're a regular viewer of

00:42:24.580 the show, you're sick of hearing me say this, but we get new people all the time. And if you'd like me to

00:42:30.420 read your viewer feedback on air, you can send it to me at sheila at rebelnews.com. Put gun show letters

00:42:38.580 in the subject line so I know why you're emailing me because I get dozens of emails every single day. And it

00:42:47.620 gets a lot worse if I've done something controversial on the internet, then the email inbox just absolutely blows up.

00:42:57.300 But also, if you are watching a free version of the show, wherever you're watching that on Rumble on YouTube, and you're sitting

00:43:03.280 through a couple ads, thank you for sitting through those ads. Every little bit helps, but leave a comment in the comment section

00:43:11.100 there. Sometimes I go looking over there. And I do frequently go and look and read the comment section.

00:43:16.300 So don't think that I won't see your comment. However, today's letter comes to us from the email inbox.

00:43:24.060 And it's from Robert, who writes to me and says, Dear Sheila, as a withering octogenarian, I don't know,

00:43:33.260 you seem kind of frisky in this email. So I wouldn't call yourself withering. But you know what,

00:43:38.780 I'll let you identify however you feel like. But Robert writes, Dear Sheila, as a withering octogenarian,

00:43:45.660 I get quite upset whenever Justin Trudeau refers to the Honorable Leader of the Opposition as a mega Republican.

00:43:52.620 I don't get upset. I'm like, are you trying to make me like Pierre Pauly of more? Like, if you're calling him Trumpy,

00:43:59.280 are you trying to make me like him more? When people say that, particularly Justin Trudeau,

00:44:04.940 it shows that he doesn't understand the inner workings of the conservative mind or really the inner workings of

00:44:12.540 literally anything for that matter. So I'm never offended. But let's find out, well, why Robert's offended.

00:44:20.080 Please ask Pierre Pauly of to respond with a preface such as with respect to the Honorable Member of the World Economic Forum.

00:44:27.520 Oh, that's very, very funny. Yes, very, very funny. You know, if Justin Trudeau is allowed to question

00:44:34.560 Pierre Pauly of the loyalties to Canada by calling him a, I don't know, what is that a mega Republican?

00:44:42.000 Then yeah, we can do the same for Justin Trudeau, calling him some sort of loyalist to the

00:44:47.680 oligarchs at the World Economic Forum, but also the United Nations too.

00:44:53.440 So regrettably, I can't get through to Pierre Pauly of as an old plebeian. I thank you in advance, Robert.

00:45:01.880 Well, Robert, I don't know if Pierre Pauly of watches the show, but I think some people around him do.

00:45:07.080 In fact, I know some people around him do. So, you know, who knows? Maybe he'll see your comment.

00:45:11.480 But, you know, I don't know if Pierre Pauly of needs our help thinking on his feet.

00:45:17.480 He's one of the best that I've ever seen think on their feet in politics when handling the media,

00:45:24.340 but also when handling the government side of the aisle.

00:45:30.980 It's why the media doesn't know what to do with him and the liberals are making up, I guess, insults,

00:45:39.920 like mega-Republican, as though that's some sort of insult. Anyway.

00:45:45.240 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight. Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:45:48.220 I'll see everybody back here in the same time, I think, in the same place next week.

00:45:52.200 I'm not... Yeah, I think. I think I'm back in my office next week.

00:45:55.400 And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:45:58.780 I think I'm back in my office next week.

Rebel News Podcast - December 07, 2023

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Climate scaremongers want new ways to punish us for being alive

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