Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Coutts blockade sentences hint at political bias in Canada's justice system

00:00:00.000 what do i think happened with the sentencing of the coots 2 i discuss all that and more

00:00:20.140 with my friend podcaster sean newman i'm sheila gun reid and you're watching the gun show

00:00:25.480 as many of you know i spent a couple of days over the last month in court in lethbridge alberta i

00:00:40.400 was covering the case of the remaining coots 2 what's left of the coots 4 now to give some context

00:00:49.100 and i'll i do it in my interview that i'm going to show you today four men were charged in relation

00:00:56.360 to their actions adjacent to the border blockade that took place simultaneously with the freedom

00:01:04.540 convoy in february 2022 it was a blockade organized by farmers and truckers and albertans generally

00:01:14.560 speaking at the border crossing between coots alberta and sweetgrass montana now that border

00:01:21.580 blockade did i think i think most people think that way prompt our premier at the time jason kenny to

00:01:28.660 repeal the vaccine passport program something he mysteriously called the restrictions exemption

00:01:37.320 program although it was anything but a restriction exemption program it was literally a restriction

00:01:43.480 the four of them were charged with conspiracy to commit murder weapons offenses and of course

00:01:51.740 your standard catch-all mischief they have been held or at least the two that were recently

00:01:58.140 sentenced were held in jail since their arrest in february of 2022 and they were sentenced

00:02:04.140 this past monday in a courtroom in lethbridge so my friend podcaster sean newman he's western

00:02:12.860 canadian based he had me on his show to discuss my thoughts about the sentencing and you know a

00:02:21.520 little bit more about what's happening in western canadian politics and i know that a lot of my

00:02:28.160 viewers are from other parts of the country but i think if you're in alberta or saskatchewan

00:02:33.000 you know who sean newman is he gets some big guests including me but also you know he has sit

00:02:38.680 sit downs with the premier um leaders of the freedom convoy and he has open civil discussions

00:02:48.220 with people the mainstream media either maligns or completely ignores so i thought i just talked to

00:02:55.600 sean newman for close to an hour i think many of you would benefit from knowing who and what sean

00:03:03.940 newman is and i thought you know what oh we had a good talk maybe you need to see it and so here it

00:03:13.120 is my interview with podcaster sean newman about what went down in lethbridge on monday take a lesson

00:03:22.380 welcome to the sean newman podcast i'm joined by sheila gunreid from rebel news

00:03:29.620 thanks for hopping on oh i'm very glad to be here thanks for having me um i think you know we we

00:03:36.080 don't have to get into all the small talk you know miles just hopped right to the big the big

00:03:40.900 news here in alberta the big news being the sentencing of tony olenek chris carbert i'm just

00:03:47.320 gonna throw it over to you and you just walk me through everything how far do you want to go back

00:03:52.800 why hey you go far as far back to the beginning um well it don't matter to me like on this side

00:04:00.380 sheila sorry to hop in one more time and then i'm gonna let her talk folks hey um on this side you

00:04:05.120 know like uh we've had tony olenek on um we've had uh different people from all different spots on this

00:04:12.680 sucker on and probably the only person i hadn't had on was yourself actually when i think about it

00:04:16.920 um so you know you can go as far back as you like uh we got plenty of time this morning well

00:04:22.340 the thing is rebel news journalists have been there from the very beginning including uh

00:04:28.620 the day or the day after the blockade started uh we had journalists there who witnessed the arrest

00:04:36.100 of the coots for at least most of the coots for um we were there to capture that and then we've

00:04:42.620 had journalists um in the courtroom covering this trial of pre-trial motions again from the very

00:04:50.220 beginning if it wasn't ezra it was my uh colleague robert it's been me very recently heading down to

00:04:58.280 lethbridge to cover this case but just colesnotes version these guys were not really part of the coots

00:05:05.280 blockade they were sort of adjacent to it and they were arrested in a major rcmp operation including

00:05:14.680 undercover operators um in february of 2022 they were initially charged with conspiracy to commit

00:05:22.440 murder multiple and differing weapons related charges and of course the standard uh you've annoyed

00:05:29.800 the police in a public place mischief now they it's they've been incarcerated i guess today is 940

00:05:39.920 days by the judge's calculation yesterday um they were held without bail the entire time which is

00:05:49.280 largely unheard of in this country because the default is you qualify for bail unless you don't

00:05:56.660 these guys as the court heard yesterday had multiple willing and able sureties with strong ties to the

00:06:05.880 community and yet they were not given bail uh they were the two of them jerry morin and oh chris lisek

00:06:15.800 they pled out to mischief and their weapons charges and then they walked free they were sentenced to time

00:06:23.720 served anthony olenik chris carper they went to trial uh they were acquitted on the charge of

00:06:32.140 conspiracy to commit murder specifically against police officers uh however they were convicted on

00:06:38.040 their weapons related offenses and of course mischief yesterday in court uh they were sentenced

00:06:45.300 felt like they were being sentenced for the crime they were actually acquitted of if i had to be honest

00:06:50.780 with you and i think that's why you have me here they were sentenced to six and six and a half years

00:06:56.480 respectively for the weapons charges chris carbert had a previous prohibition for 10 years so when

00:07:03.320 he was in possession of a firearm uh that's a big no-no and another six months to be served concurrent

00:07:11.480 for him for both of them actually on the mischief charges so they were sentenced to incarceration

00:07:17.480 on the mischief charges it'll just be served concurrently um anthony olenik got six years

00:07:24.100 on his weapons charge and then an additional tack-on consecutive for having pipe bombs not

00:07:30.920 at the protest but at his home when his home was raided by police so that's what happened yesterday now

00:07:38.480 they were given credit for 1.5 days per each that they were held in pretrial custody which is kind of

00:07:46.840 the standard so the judge gave them credit for 1,409 days of pretrial incarceration that's

00:07:53.760 approaching four years the by my calculations quickly in the courtroom yesterday that leaves them

00:07:59.140 with 2.6 years so two years eight months remaining behind bars and by all accounts they've been

00:08:08.380 exemplary prisoners it feels weird to say that uh so they should should qualify for

00:08:16.680 parole mandatory release after two-thirds of that sentence so that's the cold notes of what went

00:08:23.700 down in court yesterday okay so does any of us believe they're gonna get two-thirds sentences

00:08:33.480 when none of the rest of that may just i mean like i understand what you're saying but like

00:08:38.440 and i don't i don't know you know like i don't know how much you want to comment on this but i just

00:08:43.180 i look at it and i go okay the pipe bombs were nowhere near the protest and i've had you know

00:08:48.340 i've had different people on talking about this and what was submitted in court and what was known

00:08:54.600 outside of court and i'm just like this hurts my brain right how can somebody walk onto a farmer you

00:09:01.300 know or a man's land and then find things and connect it to something that was happening nowhere near

00:09:08.060 where they were situated you know what i mean right and so you get all these different things

00:09:12.440 i don't i guess i'm i guess sheila i'm just asking your thoughts on that because you were

00:09:18.040 i was in the courtroom and so i guess we have to roll back a little bit too and talk a bit about the

00:09:25.720 judge although i think despite his sentence he seemed very fair with the defense and again i

00:09:34.560 preface that by saying despite sentencing uh because um but i think anthony olenik's lawyer

00:09:41.740 marilyn burns pretty inexperienced for the high profile case before her um i know i i do a lot of

00:09:50.280 court reporting and i'm just going to tell it to you straight uh i think the judge was really trying

00:09:54.980 to help her along uh so that that was evident in court and he was giving her a lot of opportunities

00:10:05.480 to make arguments that i don't think she was aware that she should have been making

00:10:10.260 so i guess by the grace of god they were not convicted of the conspiracy to commit murder charges

00:10:20.320 the crown had been asking for nine years incarceration uh which again prompted the

00:10:29.500 judge at the time the judge uh david labrens to ask are you asking me to sentence these men

00:10:36.260 for a firefight with police that didn't happen which sort of made me hopeful during sentencing

00:10:42.020 arguments because you know it felt like he thought the crown was being unreasonable but i did some

00:10:48.760 digging and i'm not i'm not saying that this directed the judges uh his sentencing but how could it not

00:10:59.220 you know we're all human beings he's not a judicial robot he was the crown prosecutor

00:11:05.620 at mayor thorpe when four mounties were killed by james roscoe james roscoe killed himself

00:11:15.100 but he was the the prosecutor who negotiated the guilty pleas with the two men who gave roscoe the

00:11:27.460 firearm used dennis cheeseman and sean hennessey sean hennessey received 10 years for manslaughter

00:11:35.560 dennis cheeseman received seven so i was of two minds i thought okay well this judge is really not

00:11:43.360 going to have any patience for people who are accused although acquitted of conspiracy to murder

00:11:50.900 police officers and given that the crown was offering nine years when the guys who pled guilty

00:12:00.780 to manslaughter with four cops dead got 10 and seven years it seemed too high and in that in his

00:12:08.860 prosecutorial experience probably too high for david labrents but they were sentenced to dennis

00:12:16.500 cheeseman style can you can you walk me through the dennis cheeseman story uh just for myself and

00:12:23.340 the listener what happened there so james roscoe um he was the local madman in mayor thorpe um

00:12:32.480 they were i think they were going to do a repo there it was sort of a repo gone wrong cops were

00:12:40.080 called james roscoe was hiding out on his property and in the end he killed four police officers

00:12:47.860 dennis cheeseman and sean hennessey they were accused of providing the firearm to the local madman there

00:12:54.480 however they didn't know or at least that's what they say and i don't really have any reason to believe

00:12:59.940 them that that they knew what he was going to use it for but four cops were dead and i think the

00:13:09.920 community and the country really because it was a national tragedy if we are old enough to remember

00:13:15.040 that people wanted closure and they wanted somebody responsible and james roscoe killed himself so

00:13:21.960 these two young men were held responsible uh forgive me 2005 am i am i i think that's about right why

00:13:30.460 don't i just look it up folks that that would be smart you know uh mayor thorpe tragedy what yes march 2005

00:13:38.340 yeah okay so forgive me maybe i'm wrong here and you can you can uh you can give me some uh

00:13:48.620 much needed sounding board uh from somebody who has been in and around the the media and

00:13:56.160 everything else that's gone on in the last little bit 2005 to now specifically what happened in coots

00:14:02.860 which you know ties to what happens in uh ottawa in my mind maybe i'm wrong yep but you go

00:14:09.800 you know i go back to 2005 i what the heck was going on in 2005 you know sean was a different guy that is

00:14:16.180 for sure i'm sure sheila could say the same thing uh different different woman um but you know like

00:14:21.380 there wasn't all the um things that were making uh society go utterly insane you know if you go to

00:14:28.940 the time where all these protests are going on nationwide you know there's a group of people who

00:14:35.040 can't leave the country who are being told they're clogging up hospitals and that maybe there should be

00:14:41.080 preferential treatment given to certain types of folk uh certain headlines in toronto newspapers

00:14:47.900 calling you know on and on this goes so i look at it and i go okay while i understand you know they go

00:14:56.840 back to 2005 and there's there's some things there and i just understand it's just to give uh you know

00:15:02.180 like this was in his experience dealing with this exactly i'm like yeah but this the situation

00:15:10.680 is like insanely different not a shot was fired there was a lot of talk and i unlike a lot of

00:15:19.280 people commenting i did read what was called the ito so that's the sworn information from the rcmp

00:15:25.960 including screenshots of text messages between the men i did read that um we were unable to report on

00:15:34.780 it of course because of the publication ban but unlike a lot of commenters i've seen that and i've seen

00:15:40.140 that from pretty well near the very beginning um and there was a lot of bravado going back and forth

00:15:47.780 um and there was a lot of talk about what do you mean bravado yeah you get a bunch of guys

00:15:53.780 hanging around um talking about how

00:15:58.120 uh you know how they're gonna make a strong stand they're gonna make a strong stand for the future

00:16:05.980 there's a lot of that going around um just so i'm clear just so i'm clear because i'm kind of you

00:16:12.020 know once again um you know i want to make sure that i'm i understand this correct so you've seen

00:16:17.080 these text messages but you can't say exactly what was on them or i'm just wondering you're hesitating

00:16:22.860 well this is kind of what it said are you not allowed to say that no uh since these guys have been

00:16:28.460 sentenced the publication ban is over it's over yeah it's it's gone um i just want to make sure

00:16:35.100 that i'm i'm speaking verbatim and not just sure yeah yeah yeah two years ago right i just see the

00:16:41.500 hesitation sheila and i'm like oh wait did i i don't want to miss anything so there were there was talk

00:16:47.140 about going to war with the police now what does that mean the thing is and i think the the point was

00:16:55.640 made very well in court by katherine bayack that's chris carbert's lawyer she said there may have been

00:17:04.260 talk specifically about going to war it may have been mentioned to the undercover operators who

00:17:11.860 mysteriously don't have any records about the things that were said but at the end of the day

00:17:16.320 when opportunity for said war a standoff with the police happened they surrendered peacefully

00:17:23.740 correct they when came the flashpoint for war it didn't come they surrendered peacefully which means

00:17:33.480 that all of their talk of war was probably just guys being guys and that's not a crime

00:17:39.460 no it certainly isn't i

00:17:42.800 this is you know like once upon a time and i say this every time we talk about coots because you know

00:17:50.340 like once upon a time i saw the big picture come out in the newspapers and why that one stuck with

00:17:56.400 me you know in the back of the way and everything else but you know the the more i talked about it

00:18:00.140 the more insane this story like are they guilty of some things okay but like they were i mean one of

00:18:08.200 them invited the conviction for mischief in court

00:18:11.240 you know at what point if you want to restore faith in a government or in a law system justice system

00:18:23.760 do we have to start looking at i don't know the things that went on in our own country

00:18:30.480 that maybe pushed all of its citizens to this point of like you know the world was collapsing and people

00:18:38.300 thought people were going to actually kick down their doors and wait they did in some cases and

00:18:42.360 and like at what point are we going to just

00:18:46.220 acknowledge that there's this white elephant in the room and it's the government and maybe there's some

00:18:50.240 head that heads that need to be dragged out and put in front of a court system there

00:18:54.300 i mean once again i'm bringing you into this world of

00:18:58.300 my my like i know you can't give me an answer on that but like i look at this

00:19:02.520 this case and it makes it out to seem like well they did some bad things

00:19:08.280 yet when the time came to do said bad things nothing happened

00:19:11.940 and they have no track record of anything happened and the explosives weren't there

00:19:16.820 and on this goes well and they're alleged co-conspirators who were

00:19:23.060 not co-conspirators because that charge fell apart those guys are already out

00:19:28.460 those guys are already out so it feels like these guys are being punished for taking this to trial

00:19:34.520 which is your right as a canadian citizen

00:19:38.680 but moreover to your point about you know when we put this in context of what was happening in

00:19:47.600 in the country at the time look around us there are things happening because people

00:19:56.080 are still so destabilized by what we all saw during those last four years

00:20:03.640 like it seems like a fog when you look back we were banned from traveling

00:20:09.100 internally within our own country yeah i didn't even bring that one up

00:20:13.380 the cops were kicking down our doors because we were having christmas

00:20:19.300 arresting pastors in the street el chapo style my own family

00:20:25.300 my mother died in december the first year of the lockdowns

00:20:30.420 i go to a catholic church that seats 800 it is the church of my baptism

00:20:36.000 of all my sacraments my mom sat faithfully

00:20:39.600 in the back pew every saturday night she did not miss mass

00:20:43.340 my priest only allowed 10 people at her funeral

00:20:47.100 no matter how distant we could get it was remarkable the things that were happening

00:20:51.800 to us that we couldn't even imagine sections of the grocery store roped off people scolding

00:20:57.180 me because i didn't follow the stupid lines on the floor because i don't believe that covet

00:21:00.780 is contagious counterclockwise it has set people's minds into a tizzy it's why do you

00:21:07.920 see the rise of these weird covet cults right like that whole queen romana nonsense where

00:21:14.080 people now will they're so skeptical of everything that they will actually believe

00:21:21.340 the craziest things uh anthony olenek and chris carpet both said they sort of fell down an internet

00:21:28.180 rabbit hole because they couldn't believe what was happening in front of them they couldn't believe

00:21:33.840 in their wildest imaginations that the canadian government was doing the things that it was doing

00:21:40.680 and i think there's a whole psychological part of all of this that we need to take into account

00:21:49.160 i mean we take into account the psychology of offenders all the time we talk about generational

00:21:54.260 trauma with indigenous offenders we have not really taken into account the psychological undoing

00:22:03.320 of a lot of people through covid when considering the sentences for certain people

00:22:08.540 where does that leave you after uh you know like you see the i mean you know i know uh this this

00:22:19.640 saga i don't know what to call it folks and it's not even close to over i mean the crown is appealing

00:22:27.920 the acquittal on the conspiracy to commit murder charges we haven't heard about whether or not the

00:22:34.820 defense is going to appeal the sentences i don't know how they could at this point both men said

00:22:42.200 that they were basically indigent they've lost everything their families have lost a lot uh they've

00:22:49.560 liquidated all of their business assets chris carbert hasn't seen his son in nearly four years

00:22:54.720 um so or two years i guess of four years if you're calculating at 1.5 days and i feel like his little

00:23:01.660 boy is serving this prison sentence with him um so this is nowhere near done

00:23:08.840 man i just

00:23:18.680 what i can't get over you know i sit and i'm watching all this play out you know and of course

00:23:29.280 there's there's others uh going through their own court trials right their own court cases and i'm

00:23:33.700 thinking specifically of like tamara leach and yep and chris carver uh chris carver and um chris barber

00:23:40.500 uh and i just you know my mind tries to figure out you know because without people like that

00:23:50.240 you know i think the audience knows this but i'll say it anyways do we get out of the insanity we're in

00:23:58.660 politicians will sit there and go oh i was coming to an end bullshit we all know that everything came

00:24:05.640 off within like two weeks and i mean heck bc i mean just quicker it was quicker without uh the border

00:24:13.080 blockade in alberta and the convoy rolling across the country i mean jason kenney he said oh i'll remove

00:24:20.800 the restriction exemptions program in two weeks and then it was like at the end of the week and then

00:24:26.780 it was like oh a midnight tonight and then uh scott moe in saskatchewan it was like the convoy hit the

00:24:32.320 border and he was like no more we're done with our uh vaccine passport system it happened instantly

00:24:40.480 that fast so yeah without people taking a stand being civilly but peacefully disobedient

00:24:48.080 nothing changes um my concern is that i just watched a judge i think sentence two men

00:24:59.700 for crimes they weren't really accused of for political reasons and i worry about chris and tamara now

00:25:12.420 what do you mean they weren't accused of for crimes they weren't accused of

00:25:19.440 so uh they were sentenced they should have been sentenced for firearms related charges mischief

00:25:28.740 who gets six months in jail for mischief by the way non-violent crime uh protesters of the covid

00:25:35.020 mandates that's who very recently and never before if you got charged with mischief you probably

00:25:39.880 wouldn't see the inside of a jail cell until now um because we're sentencing these people with

00:25:46.120 aggravating factors of their politics and um you know gun charges are you know usually 18 months

00:25:56.240 two years less a day um it's not a six year a six year thing especially when you don't have a

00:26:05.640 prior criminal record in the case of anthony olenek so uh i feel like the political motivations

00:26:13.740 of the defendants resulted in a longer sentence for them they were not charged with terrorism related

00:26:25.100 offenses terrorism related offenses is sort of where you the politics become involved they weren't

00:26:34.000 charged with that but i think they were sentenced because of their politics

00:26:37.200 yeah i just come back to you know like i'm at i'm almost at a loss of you know like uh it reminds

00:26:46.960 me that i gotta i gotta talk to chris and tamara here at some point because i haven't had them on in

00:26:50.840 some time and to rely on people that's going on i sure they don't uh i don't i'm sure most people

00:26:56.340 don't need a reminder but you know you sit and you look at this and i just i just go back like

00:27:00.460 without people that went and stood there and then got picked out of the crowd and and certainly you

00:27:07.040 can you can try and argue that chris and anthony and others did more than others and and this and

00:27:14.040 that but i mean like look at tamara leach and chris barber right like i mean i mean come on i mean at

00:27:21.660 some point you just go i can't believe this is happening in our country that that's where that's

00:27:28.500 where it puts me to because you know like at this point you go man they've been dragged through the

00:27:33.720 mud i'm coming back to chris and anthony they've done what is four years of jail time because everything

00:27:40.940 i've heard about remand means or it sounds like it is not a great place to be no and instead of just

00:27:48.040 being like listen time served out they go and although people would be upset it would come to a

00:27:54.740 conclusion where you get back around family and and things get to seem i don't know normal

00:28:00.480 instead they tack on more oh and they're going to appeal they're not guilty you're like like what is

00:28:08.520 this going to go on for 20 years like are we just going to leave these guys to rot is that what's going

00:28:12.300 to happen here in alberta i i'm having a hard time processing i guess yeah you know and that's the

00:28:19.600 thing it the state has all the resources to do whatever they want to you look at tamara and chris

00:28:28.780 tamara has been subject and chris too alongside her to canada's longest mischief trial she spent

00:28:39.360 50 days in jail 49 i think on a breach who gets breached and held for 50 days

00:28:47.380 on mischief and then as it turns out her breach was not a breach at all and then they had to release

00:28:54.280 her because she took a picture with a co-conspirator but in a room full of her lawyers at an event

00:29:02.380 organized by her lawyers now she is being represented by the democracy fund which um you you would think

00:29:10.200 why wouldn't you just plead this out and hope that you uh just get time served but look what we just saw

00:29:16.240 you might not get served right and there there's a point here that she did not do anything wrong

00:29:24.060 it is not public mischief to go to your nation's capital which is all of our city and protest the

00:29:33.180 government which is headed there where the hell else are you supposed to protest the government

00:29:37.120 i'm sorry if the people in ottawa are boring and don't like their work from home days to be interrupted

00:29:43.980 by a bunch of grubby blue-collar people from the west running around but it's not the vatican

00:29:50.760 it's our city it's our capital she had every right to be there she was non-violent she's a

00:29:58.380 metis grandma with no history of criminality and yet lawyers from the democracy fund estimate that it

00:30:06.080 the crown has spent millions and millions of dollars going after her i'm privy to the amount that the

00:30:12.560 democracy fund has spent defending her and people would say it's madness but what else can you do

00:30:17.380 what what is madness is it's our money yeah trying her yes right yep i mean like just that that hurts

00:30:26.440 my brain a little bit you know you come but you come back to come back to alberta with me for a sec

00:30:32.780 and um you go you have what i think canadians look at as the freest place in canada it's a it's an

00:30:44.300 energy producer it's raw raw um kind of um libertarian if you would right i think that would be what

00:30:52.660 premier smith would would kind of champion maybe i'm a little bit off on that but that's kind of

00:30:56.600 how she speaks and and and she's been very um open to any conversation anytime i've talked to her

00:31:03.460 she's been willing to be asked any question and is quite open yep can she or anyone in her

00:31:11.880 government sheila do anything on this because um you know i've asked her that question and then we and

00:31:20.860 then we get into some things and then the more people that hear it the next thing they come up with

00:31:25.260 well actually i believe it's mickey amory who's the justice minister he should have some some say

00:31:30.440 on there where do you fall out on this so i would be very concerned i'm always careful of giving a

00:31:42.000 government power that they might one day use against me if there's a different government in power

00:31:46.440 right and so i would be concerned if our provincial government meddled in the independence of the

00:31:58.600 judiciary now there is something to be said however for uh for them just saying like look

00:32:09.820 what is the point of pursuing the appeal here uh the appeal on the acquittal because that just seems

00:32:20.040 punitive they've already been sentenced to six and a half years of hard time why do you want

00:32:28.860 your pound of flesh why do you want your blood from a stone i think the prosecution here was political

00:32:35.440 from the very beginning um i think they probably overcharged them with the conspiracy to commit

00:32:42.580 murder well definitely overcharged them but we have to remember these charges were the impetus for the

00:32:52.800 emergencies act right all the politicians in ottawa on the left stood on the arrests at coots and said

00:33:02.500 look they're dangerous violent insurrection look at all those guns they're plotting to kill police

00:33:10.740 officers and so we need to give police extraordinary tools of search seizure and arrest uh that we

00:33:20.100 reserve for wartime for 9-11 level events pearl harbor level events we need to do that now to stop these

00:33:29.700 terror cells from popping up all across the country and overwhelming us and so there is i think political

00:33:38.180 motivation to continue on with this from the left we know again prosecutors are people too they have

00:33:46.740 their own political motivations i just don't know how the premier mickey amory intervene in this

00:33:54.900 while not meddling in the independence of the legal system because god help us one day if naheed

00:34:04.580 nenshi gets in power i don't want the government to be able to do that so if you're the premier let's

00:34:12.000 just sheila gunray premier for a day let's just let's just play around with this idea is there anything you

00:34:17.300 can do you sit there you know like uh it's just talking about it enough just bring it up i don't

00:34:23.120 know if everybody you know like is is that enough is there anything you can do from that standpoint i'm

00:34:27.800 not saying influence i'm not saying walk in give them acquittals i'm not saying anything like that is

00:34:32.300 there any way you know because when you look at this i think rightfully so there has been a lot of um

00:34:41.300 distance from a lot of media companies on this court case right there's there's just been you know

00:34:49.200 there hasn't been much i haven't seen them there like there's usually one or two sometimes three if

00:34:55.720 there's like local me local media is there um you might get somebody from post media maybe cbc if

00:35:02.180 they've got nothing better to do but by and large media row is completely empty save for a few yesterday

00:35:08.880 the rubberneckers staring at the car crash were there in full force um go ahead well i just i go

00:35:16.920 i go back to sean buckley right sean buckley was on the podcast he was talking to me about

00:35:21.620 years and years ago i forget what year it was but it was a it was um the people were trying to get the

00:35:28.260 media's attention on i think it was supplements and health products because there was laws trying to

00:35:34.900 come through to outlaw certain things and and so they had a dinner and forget you know people have

00:35:40.880 to go back and listen to sean buckley tell the story but a dinner uh in vancouver outside i want

00:35:45.640 to say parliament they all got dressed up real fancy and they didn't say what they were doing

00:35:49.360 but it just made such a spectacle eventually media started to go talk to them and once they started

00:35:53.900 talking to them and realized what they're about they'd already made you know they'd already gotten

00:35:57.860 into this this well now we're talking about it and and sean was like once they started talking

00:36:03.160 about it they had to keep talking about it it was very clever and he said you know today's world we

00:36:08.160 need more of that we need we need this um you know creativity to come back where you can um bring

00:36:16.680 people into these discussions and i'm not suggesting that uh daniel smith needs to be more creative i'm just

00:36:24.200 wondering if there isn't a creative way to just bring up this uh court case or bring up the situation

00:36:32.780 in alberta where maybe more people start to pay attention i don't know i just a random thought

00:36:40.820 i think i communicate professionally for a living if i worked for premier smith's communications team

00:36:48.440 right now i would be using what happened in coots to hammer the liberals on other issues for example

00:36:56.760 and the problems with the justice system so that the smart consumer of what she was saying would put

00:37:06.880 together what she was saying without actually saying it tell me why a cop can rape somebody get

00:37:14.060 convicted of it and then get five years um these guys are getting more uh tell me why you can be

00:37:21.660 charged with manslaughter convicted of manslaughter get four years tell me why you can be found with

00:37:29.260 thousands tens of thousands of fentanyl pills 27 000 yeah enough to kill a small city and the dog didn't sit

00:37:37.940 right and the dog didn't sit right and these guys walk but six and a half years in coots i would be using

00:37:46.580 it to point out an overall problem with the canadian justice system right now that there are no there's

00:37:56.440 no real will to go after the really really bad guys in this country um and the liberals are making it

00:38:04.100 easier and easier to be a really bad guy they removed a whole host of mandatory minimum sentences for gang

00:38:09.380 related offenses why systemic racism weak i don't know because minority people can't behave themselves

00:38:16.560 according to the racist liberals who believe in the uh bigotry of low expectations uh it's never been

00:38:25.320 more dangerous to be a canadian crime is skyrocketing because of lenient sentences for the real bad guys

00:38:32.620 and yet when you oppose the government in ottawa they'll put you under the jail

00:38:39.360 i don't know if i got much else to say on that on the rebel news side of things yeah what um i mean

00:38:48.900 obviously we've been talking coots this morning is there anything else that uh you know like obviously

00:38:54.020 i think most people don't already find you sheila but uh in saying that is there something that you're

00:38:58.740 like paying attention to that you think canadians albertans or a larger audience should be paying

00:39:04.140 attention to so right now in the background i mean we're we're always engaged in active litigation

00:39:11.720 in the uh advance of free speech um we're constantly suing some police force somewhere for

00:39:20.300 hassling our journalists and more likely david menzies that man is a walking heat score

00:39:25.920 um so there's always that happening in the background at rebel news because it's not just

00:39:32.060 about our journalists we want to make sure that all journalists including the mainstream media in fact

00:39:37.900 including those on the left are able to do their jobs and hold the government to account uh i i'll

00:39:44.600 i'll tell you a little story if you allow me a a detour on this we um it was back in the jason kenney

00:39:52.160 days there was a left-wing journalist named duncan kinney who was not allowed into the legislature to

00:39:59.420 report duncan kinney is a vicious critical critic of rebel news vicious but uh you have to believe in

00:40:08.960 human rights for people with whom you disagree it's what separates the right from the left on this issue

00:40:15.160 you see the left only believes that the left can protest we believe everybody can protest um so

00:40:22.120 duncan kinney was not permitted to be a journalist in the legislature and rachel notley had thrown me

00:40:27.940 out of the legislature and not permitted me to report from there when she was in power and it prompted a

00:40:34.340 whole inquiry a boyd report it was called um and we had all this legal material

00:40:41.820 that we had drafted uh constitutional examinations about what what the government's role is in

00:40:48.780 determining uh who a journalist is the answer is it doesn't have one so we provided this

00:40:55.380 to duncan kinney's lawyers free of charge we spent thousands of dollars on what did he say

00:41:02.200 didn't even say thank you still runs his yap about us we did and you know what whatever i don't care

00:41:07.560 but it but uh we we did that for him um because we thought it was important in the interest of

00:41:16.420 uh journalistic freedom that everybody even people we disagree with should be free to be journalists

00:41:23.460 what have you thought what have you thought about uh cat canada uh mark um mark garrett yeah mark

00:41:32.080 garrettson coming out and accusing her of being a russian government or being funded by the russian

00:41:36.780 government like i don't know i don't know if you saw ezra's legal breakdown because ezra is trained

00:41:42.280 as a lawyer he doesn't practice law anymore um because he's got that awful journalism habit but he

00:41:47.460 did break it down and and say that mark garrett's in real big trouble real big trouble for accusing her

00:41:53.560 of being a paid russian operative now i see he's deleted that tweet and sort of walked it back but he

00:42:01.540 didn't walk it back because he's basically admitting to doing something entirely different than actually

00:42:07.400 accusing her of being a paid russian operative which he did do now uh ezra did a very long long uh post

00:42:15.940 about this but basically it comes down to uh you're allowed to hold an opinion and talk about your opinion

00:42:25.140 but your opinion really can't be if you're publishing it based on absolute nonsense uh like i could say

00:42:33.360 sean newman is an absolute jerk okay that's an opinion but i can't say sean newman is a nazi

00:42:40.960 uh unless i've got evidence that you are a nazi um but an academic in edmonton once called me a nazi

00:42:49.260 and we sent him a cease and desist and he had to have his pinned tweet for a very long time saying

00:42:54.420 that he was wrong about me but mark garrett's in one of the he he thinks that he is protected by

00:43:02.080 parliamentary privilege which basically means whatever you say inside the house of commons

00:43:06.080 might be untrue but it's protected inside the house of commons that doesn't follow you to twitter

00:43:11.360 or x or whatever we're calling it these days and if you have an opinion it has to be based

00:43:18.260 in fact you can come to that opinion however you want it can be wrong but it has to be based in fact

00:43:24.040 and you are subject to responsible communication which means he probably should have sent cat a text

00:43:32.520 that said or reached out to her on twitter he knows how to find her he's responding to her on twitter

00:43:36.520 and said hey cat are you paid by russia she would say no now he doesn't have to believe her

00:43:42.620 but he would have to have reached out to her and included that in his commentary he didn't and it

00:43:50.580 sounds like there's some malice there and it's also pretty rich that within his cabinet we know that there

00:43:57.600 are i think in the double digits now um mps who are on the take from that's what makes this this is what

00:44:07.040 makes this just like i'm like we live on a different planet like an mp comes out accusing her of being

00:44:14.520 funded by the russian government meanwhile in their government their government 11 or more or more

00:44:21.800 yeah well we we both can say i can speculate like well if there's 11 there's more right there just is

00:44:27.820 so they got 11 mps that they will not announce who they are who are still working their jobs

00:44:34.220 yep then being a part of a government that accuses others of being i'm just like you can't make this

00:44:40.360 up right this just goes yes and these people are the ones that they think they should be the

00:44:46.160 arbiters of mis and disinformation right online oh you know mark garrison is one of the dumbest

00:44:54.440 people in the house of commons and that bar is real real low real low yara sax is in there but he

00:45:00.940 is one of the absolute stupidest and i can't believe they still let that man control his x account

00:45:07.740 because he like all he does is get kicked around on x he's like a punching bag for conservatives on x

00:45:16.940 because the man is an absolute idiot um but this i think he's in real real trouble i do and i

00:45:24.180 couldn't happen to a nicer guy well here's one thing i do know about the canadian government

00:45:30.480 probably all governments in the world where i think something will happen they will find a way

00:45:35.900 to weasel their way out and nothing will happen just look at the headlines me and twos talk about

00:45:42.320 every week on the mashup and you just go like it doesn't matter how bad they get caught it was

00:45:49.900 finkelstein the ethics commissioner who said you know we just it's just exposure that's that's what

00:45:55.160 we do you know that's the punishment and so unless sheila is going to tell me something different here

00:45:59.960 and give me some hope i look at it and i go it's great you know they just keep running their mouths

00:46:05.380 they keep screwing us all over they keep doing all these things and once you're part of government

00:46:09.520 it's like this you know it kind of it kind of reminds me of i don't know why i'm thinking of this

00:46:14.780 but dumb and dumber you know every or loid comes running up and the guy's like whoa wait and he's

00:46:19.920 like it's okay i'm a limo driver like they got you know a license to do anything now at least in that

00:46:25.000 loid falls off the platform onto you know the the airport cement and you kind of get a chuckle

00:46:30.500 here they can be that dumb and it's like instead of them falling you know and you know what should

00:46:36.760 happen because if it was one of us who did all these stupid things the book would be thrown at us

00:46:41.540 that brings me back to coots when it comes to government they just get to slide on by like

00:46:47.760 there's no big deal and no big deal is ever going to come uh befall them and that is probably the

00:46:53.100 most frustrating thing of this morning altogether is i'm like when is the government stay in court

00:46:57.580 when is when is people in public office that do stupid things they're not all stupid i get that

00:47:03.620 but there's a lot of sinister right and it's playing out in front of our eyes and it's just it's

00:47:09.640 it's almost like they don't realize how like people are dumb like i i just assume they think

00:47:14.700 everybody's a moron they'll never catch on to this and we're watching a play on you like i can't i can't

00:47:20.180 fathom the stupidity to say something like that while your government is being investigated for

00:47:26.420 foreign interference and oh wait there's 11 of them plus plus probably and we're not going to release

00:47:31.960 them they're going to keep you like i could just regurgitate this over and over and i'm just running in a

00:47:36.540 circle here because i'm just so frustrated with our canadian government can i give you some hope

00:47:40.980 and this sort of ties back to the cat canada stuff sure so i don't know if you know but in september we

00:47:47.440 won a lawsuit against stephen gilbeau stephen gilbeau uh also thought i did know that canadians

00:47:54.120 were as stupid as he is and that they would uh quietly abide him using his government funded x account

00:48:02.140 with the gray check mark that's how we know it's a government affiliated account which means there

00:48:08.260 are staffers staffing it using government resources mark garrettson has that same one which means that

00:48:14.800 it is a government affiliated account it is operated using government read taxpayer funded resources

00:48:20.880 we sued him for blocking us um in uh september of 2023 we won he has to unblock us then we we called it

00:48:30.920 the great unblocking because we noticed that a lot of government accounts were all of a sudden

00:48:37.720 unblocking us because we would just send them letters and saying unblock us or we will see you in court

00:48:42.960 you don't get to use government resources to block canadians and so i guess and by the way he had to pay us

00:48:54.780 our costs which is the really the only government check we've ever cashed at rebel news um but the

00:49:02.900 thing is while you can win against the government in some venues especially on x i have high hopes for cat

00:49:11.580 uh stephen gilbeau while arguing that that was his personal account even though it has a government

00:49:21.020 check mark he used public resources government lawyers to fight against us once again we're funding

00:49:30.860 the fight against our journalists you know and so mark garrettson can run his yap and embarrass himself

00:49:38.320 and lie about innocent canadian women but taxpayers will be on the hook for what he said

00:49:47.480 because if cat sues him and i hope she does because it'll scare a bunch of these people straight

00:49:53.780 taxpayers are still going to be on the hook because they are going to fund his fight against her for his

00:50:01.020 lies about her um one final one final thing before i let you out of here uh ucp agm is coming up

00:50:09.980 leadership review all that stuff um are you going to be there one i'm going to try i'm going to try um

00:50:16.920 you know we are a very small shop um so it's hard for me to be all the places that i would like to

00:50:24.000 be but i'm going to do my you mean you can't be in two places at once sheila i have a 12 hour round

00:50:29.760 trip to lethbridge okay but i am going to try i think it's important i think um we are going to see

00:50:38.220 if the opposition to daniel smith is as large as it seems on social media because you and i started

00:50:46.880 talking before we started recording that sometimes social media makes things seem outsized so we'll

00:50:55.000 see if those people who are opposed to daniel smith's leadership actually turn up at the agm and

00:50:59.600 and pose a significant challenge i'm interested to see if that is actual actually real or astroturfed

00:51:06.420 if i don't know if this is possible for me to ask of you but if you put sheila gun reid

00:51:10.720 rebel news media over here for a second and you guys put on sheila gun reid alberton what if where

00:51:17.420 do you sit on daniel smith as the leader of uh alberta i don't know if that's a fair question or not

00:51:25.280 i would put it in the context of who we had before and who might replace her

00:51:30.420 i think in all politics you're actively choosing the least worst and uh daniel smith has not kept her

00:51:42.480 word on some things uh but she has made great strides in certain aspects of the culture war which

00:51:51.160 creates i think new conservatives i think we are underestimating the value of her um opposition to

00:52:02.200 medical transition of minors and women playing against men who claim to be women in their sports

00:52:09.800 and um advocating against secrecy in the classroom i mean that has flipped places in the united states

00:52:17.700 uh glenn youngkin as governor because of his stand against that in a democratic stronghold he's the

00:52:23.700 republican governor so i think we are underestimating i think as people who and in the in the conservative

00:52:30.020 um ecosphere we sort of underestimate what the normals think about stuff sometimes and that might be enough

00:52:36.740 to bring people into the conservative fold she is slow um on her tax cuts um i know i was talking to

00:52:46.620 my friend chris sims uh actually over the weekend and you know that has been something that that she

00:52:52.800 has supported daniel smith in the past for doing and then daniel smith sort of was slow to do it um i

00:52:58.620 think that is a betrayal of a lot of people who thought that they were voting for someone who would

00:53:02.660 give them an immediate tax cut um she's not perfect she's not perfect she's a hell of a lot better than

00:53:09.320 jason kenny she's not afraid to take on contentious issues when the media uh and the liberals but i

00:53:19.460 should not make a distinction there are up against her she fights with ottawa instead of just sending

00:53:27.260 strongly worded letters to the prime minister like jason kenny but i don't think she's perfect i think

00:53:33.600 it's my job as a journalist and you asked me to take off my journalist hat but i just can't do that

00:53:39.260 it's my job to uh be a critic of her from the right a good faith critic of her from the right

00:53:47.140 because all the forces of the universe are pulling her to the left the media the unions um just the

00:53:56.780 culture are pulling her to the left somebody has to be pulling her back to the right and i think

00:54:02.460 that's my duty as a conservative journalist and it is impossible to write off my criticism of her

00:54:11.420 as bad faith you would see this all the time from jason kenny he would say oh that's just cbc saying

00:54:16.980 that they hate conservatives yeah but if i'm saying something bad about you you kind of have to listen

00:54:22.080 because i feel like i'm speaking on behalf of just like dinner table people so um she's she's a flawed

00:54:29.900 leader for sure she has not done some of the things that she said she would do but who's the

00:54:34.240 replacement you just said something that i don't know why i like so much but uh i guess it makes

00:54:43.200 sense i guess and that being you know all the forces of the universe are trying to pull her left

00:54:47.860 yeah you go back to when she first got in and she apologized to the unvaccinated and then you saw

00:54:54.680 the absolute insanity ensue and then she walked back and everybody was upset why are you apologizing

00:55:00.240 yeah it's because all the forces of the universe are trying to yank her further and further left

00:55:05.440 and um

00:55:07.080 hmm i that i that's a i don't know why that hit me so good this morning but hey our job that's our job

00:55:16.160 is to be the counterbalance to that the good faith critics on the other side well i appreciate you uh

00:55:22.900 hopping on this morning sheila and uh um well i'm sure it won't be the last time and you know

00:55:27.800 i hope not it comes sporadically well i've been trying to you know for the listener i've been

00:55:32.040 trying to work you mentioned chris sims and uh obviously on this side i have a ton of time for

00:55:36.640 chris as well she's uh spoken at several of my events and i've been harassing her because you know

00:55:42.900 last time i had danielle smith on or premier smith you know um i didn't ask one of the questions i was

00:55:49.040 going to ask and i because me and chris have been talking she's like oh no she's going to do it

00:55:52.380 and then the last time chris was on she's like you're right i fumbled that one i fumbled that

00:55:56.740 one right and i and so i track and so i've been in the background i'm trying to work on this idea

00:56:01.400 of bringing uh not only chris but yourself and a couple others together to kind of have a a little

00:56:07.560 independent media round table if you would because i think there's there's um there's some things that

00:56:13.560 i would love to have different voices comment on to just kind of help not only myself but probably

00:56:20.840 with the public and and trying to hear about because there's there's so much information these

00:56:25.900 days and trying to disseminate that and find out what is actually going on and and what uh the

00:56:31.160 important things to stare at are and uh certainly um yourself and others um do a pretty good job of

00:56:38.860 uh of doing that and at times i think we're all flawed in our approaches to all of this but

00:56:45.320 appreciate you coming on and uh hopefully we'll we'll try and line that up i'm sure chris will be

00:56:50.100 listening to this laughing and going yes we need to get that happening either way i'll be the guy to

00:56:54.920 continue to light the fire under people's feet and and see if we can't make it happen sheila thanks for

00:57:00.400 hopping on this side and uh all the best here in in you know in the coming months thanks uh talk to you

00:57:07.240 soon i guess wow we get your viewer feedback every single day just about every single hour of every

00:57:22.920 single day and it is overwhelming but in a good way because it means that you care about the work

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00:57:40.460 so my email address is sheila at rebelnews.com if you've got a comment about my interview with

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00:58:32.300 today's viewer feedback it comes from youtube but it doesn't actually come specifically from the show

00:58:38.940 but it comes from the topic of the show today so it comes on my video from the lethbridge courthouse

00:58:45.440 on the verdict for anthony olenek and chris carbert um and i say verdict but what i mean is the

00:58:53.860 sentencing so they received basically six and a half years all in for their role at uh coots let's get

00:59:03.620 to it bonobo 3d writes thanks to rebel news for covering this case thoroughly and from the start

00:59:11.080 indeed we did if it wasn't robert there it was ezra that was there i've been there it's a 12 hour

00:59:20.440 round trip for me to go to lethbridge in a car but this is a case of national significance

00:59:27.560 and rebel news has been there from the very beginning of the coots situation when truckers and

00:59:37.940 farmers got an inkling that they should do something in civil disobedience to jason kenny

00:59:44.860 and justin trudeau's covid restrictions we had reporters on the ground we even made a documentary

00:59:51.060 about it um my friend kian simoni and our journalist sid fizard they were there embedded in the blockade

01:00:01.040 from the very beginning so how could we not see it through to the end and it is not even close to over

01:00:06.940 yet as i said in my video uh the crown is appealing the acquittal of the conspiracy to commit

01:00:15.940 murder charges and we don't know yet if anthony olenek and chris carbert are appealing their sentences

01:00:22.100 i'm not sure how they could the two are basically indigent they really have nothing left their assets

01:00:30.160 were liquidated over these past few years anyway let's keep going the good people interviewed here

01:00:37.600 outside the courthouse speak for many of us expressing disappointment disgust and outrage

01:00:42.040 at the corrupt canadian justice system i think the men were probably sentenced as i said in my interview with

01:00:51.540 sean newman that

01:00:54.880 i think they were sentenced for crimes they were not convicted of and probably not even charged with

01:01:04.760 um but so it goes and it worries me for tamara leach and chris barber because they are currently on trial for

01:01:17.840 mischief but i worry if they're found guilty they might be sentenced for something

01:01:22.940 that they were not charged with i mean they've been called terrorists so

01:01:27.540 who knows we've got another one from the same video also on youtube darren c 9607 writes under

01:01:39.140 trudeau's basic dictatorship there are two basic rules for his friends anything goes isn't that the

01:01:45.620 truth for his political opponents lawfare yeah we've seen this time and time again um tamara leach chris

01:01:53.240 barbara jordan peterson uh us at rebel news anybody who's a critic of justin trudeau they will use the

01:02:02.020 full force of the government and the judicial system to censor you imprison you stop you from doing your

01:02:09.100 job stop you from holding a sincerely held opinion on the state of your own country but if you are justin

01:02:17.680 trudeau's buddies you might you might be lucky if you get a slap on the wrist at all i mean look at

01:02:26.860 randy boissano the liberal mp for uh and edmonton riding who will undoubtedly and justly lose his seat in

01:02:37.720 the next election in october 2025 yes i have become begun a countdown uh the the man was voting for lockdown

01:02:46.860 restrictions and then it would appear intimately involved in the running of a ppe company where he

01:02:54.460 was a 50 percent owner where his company would benefit from those same lockdown restrictions so

01:03:06.780 voting for the lockdown restrictions which would benefit your ppe import company and wouldn't you

01:03:11.880 know it now news just breaks that his ppe company was getting government contracts during that time

01:03:19.820 and even though text messages between him and his alien looking partner uh i'm sorry alleged text messages

01:03:29.220 with the alien looking partner uh show that uh communications between the partner and randy then they say

01:03:40.600 there's another randy and then they've said it was auto correct and we're just supposed to believe

01:03:48.500 that he never corrected himself once and communications with this other auto correct randy happened at the

01:03:56.180 same time that randy boissano was in vancouver for a caucus retreat and the other randy was also in

01:04:05.360 vancouver i mean come on it's just it's it's absolute garbage um it's the stuff that if you were in the

01:04:12.800 united states you'd be in jail for and nothing nothing happens here it's just free and easy as long as

01:04:22.120 you're justin trudeau's friend you can milk the taxpayer for everything that we've got but if you speak up

01:04:30.580 against the government god help you god help you you give a trucker a coffee you might just have

01:04:36.540 your bank account frozen or much worse well everybody that's the show for tonight by the way

01:04:42.040 if you want to see more of our coverage from lethbridge you maybe you missed something you

01:04:46.040 want to bring yourself up to speed but not just lethbridge all of the convoy related trials

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Rebel News Podcast - September 12, 2024

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Coutts blockade sentences hint at political bias in Canada's justice system

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