Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Davos dreams, taxpayer nightmares： Kris Sims breaks down climate cash grabs and Carney’s costly gun grab

00:00:00.000 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gun Show.

00:00:30.000 Tonight I'm sitting down with Chris Sims of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation to talk about the things politicians hope you're too busy working hard, paying your bills to even notice.

00:00:52.700 First up, of course, is Davos. While globalist elites fly private jets and lecture ordinary Canadians about sacrifice and new world orders, Canadian taxpayers are left holding the bill for climate schemes cooked up at the World Economic Forum.

00:01:08.340 These plans are not theoretical. They show up in your heating bill, your grocery receipt, and your fuel costs, whether you agreed to them or not.

00:01:16.040 Chris explains how the federal clean fuel standards quietly add up to potentially thousands of dollars in extra costs in your daily commute.

00:01:25.560 Higher fuel prices push up the cost of everything, though, from food and transportation to housing and basic goods.

00:01:31.980 It's a hidden tax dressed up in green language and taxpayers are the one paying for it.

00:01:37.180 We also dig into the failure of Mark Carney's gun grab. It's collapsing under its own weight, not success, collecting so few firearms while burning through millions of taxpayer dollars.

00:01:49.880 This program targets lawful gun owners while violent crime continues to rise, leaving ordinary Canadians feeling less safe and, of course, significantly poorer.

00:01:59.340 But like everything the government does, it's expensive, ideological and completely disconnected from reality.

00:02:06.680 Chris joins me to walk me through the numbers they would rather you never see in an interview we recorded yesterday morning.

00:02:13.200 Take a listen.

00:02:20.880 So joining me now is my very good friend and good friend of the show, Chris Sims.

00:02:24.960 She's the Alberta Director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, and we were going to record this about 12 minutes ago,

00:02:31.920 but both she and I were paying intense attention to Prime Minister Mark Carney talking at the World Economic Forum.

00:02:41.040 Now, the world will watch, of course, today as we're recording this, Macron and Carney talk.

00:02:49.060 But the real scary business actually happens in the side sessions.

00:02:54.960 Where they talk about global carbon taxes.

00:02:58.880 And we know that Mark Carney has talked about a new world order.

00:03:04.520 And a lot of that new world order means abandoning Canadian policy for a much broader one.

00:03:11.660 And they're not even hiding it at this thing.

00:03:14.960 No, big, big time.

00:03:16.500 Again, I wanted to, I know a lot of people watch our shows, Sheila,

00:03:20.540 and they say, they tell me things like, I don't feel alone anymore when I'm watching your show.

00:03:26.260 So I just wanted to assure folks watching that, yeah, some of the stuff you can be hearing from those podiums are kind of scary.

00:03:32.340 Like talking about putting signs in windows and green grocer illusions, all that stuff.

00:03:36.540 Those of us who've been around the block and remember the Cold War and stuff, it can get frightening.

00:03:40.780 But I wanted to remind people that when it comes to the nitty-gritty day-to-day life,

00:03:45.880 things like banning vehicles that you want to purchase, things like your gasoline and diesel-powered vehicles and your pickup trucks,

00:03:54.120 carbon taxing you for the sin of heating your home,

00:03:58.720 carbon taxing you because you're actually buying food from that green grocer,

00:04:03.420 all of that really matters to you.

00:04:06.840 And that is actually what's being discussed in all of those breakout rooms.

00:04:11.240 And can I just stop for a moment and say thank you to Rebel, to Ezra, to the entire team that are there on the ground.

00:04:19.080 That is real on-the-ground journalism.

00:04:22.580 Thank you for covering it like this.

00:04:24.880 Straight up.

00:04:25.360 It's that, well, you know, it's, I think, one of Ezra's most favorite things that he does all year,

00:04:31.300 just to see his little ruddy cheeks when he jumps on our morning staff meeting from the streets of Davos

00:04:38.440 to tell us the VVIPs that he was finally able to talk to.

00:04:42.780 Because that's one thing that is very ironic in all of this,

00:04:46.940 is that our team has to leave our country, go to Switzerland to get access to our own VVIPs.

00:04:55.880 Very, very important people like Justin Trudeau and Katy Perry.

00:05:02.480 And, you know, he ran into another former cabinet minister.

00:05:06.360 I'm going to just sort of leave that as a surprise.

00:05:09.700 And another cabinet minister.

00:05:11.060 So, what we do know is that the ability for the free press to do its job

00:05:19.020 is a lot stronger in Switzerland than it is in Canada.

00:05:26.540 And it's just crazy.

00:05:28.740 It's just crazy.

00:05:29.600 That is so weird.

00:05:30.600 And I guess there's no parliamentary press gallery gatekeepers over there.

00:05:36.240 No, he's just Ezra running down the street with a microphone in his hand.

00:05:39.580 I haven't watched the Trudeau-Perry video yet.

00:05:42.040 I'm saving it as my cookie for the end of the day when I'm done.

00:05:44.600 But I wanted to stress for folks who are, like, for example,

00:05:48.360 we just got rid of the consumer carbon tax,

00:05:50.540 but there's still two that we're dealing with now.

00:05:52.800 And there's two more, okay, that Carney really, really wants.

00:05:57.520 All of this nonsense.

00:05:59.140 I wanted to just reach out, especially to some of the younger people

00:06:02.000 who are influencers who are watching right now,

00:06:04.300 who might be wondering,

00:06:05.860 why do they keep talking about the carbon tax?

00:06:08.400 Ugh, why is Pierre Polyev talking about the carbon tax?

00:06:11.360 That was last election's issue.

00:06:13.520 No, it's not.

00:06:15.080 This is, to borrow a phrase,

00:06:18.020 the carbon tax is the OG tool, okay,

00:06:22.340 for unelected bureaucrats around the world,

00:06:25.200 globalists, as we could call them,

00:06:27.100 to control your life and punish you

00:06:29.980 for heating your home and eating food

00:06:32.420 and having the freedom to drive around, okay?

00:06:34.920 That is their ultimate, original tool of control, okay?

00:06:38.900 It was first proposed, as far as I can tell,

00:06:42.100 back, I'm old enough to remember,

00:06:43.920 the Earth Summit that was held in Rio, okay?

00:06:46.360 Yes.

00:06:46.880 Back in the early 90s, okay?

00:06:48.980 It was the first Bush that was there 0.99

00:06:50.540 that said no to carbon taxes then.

00:06:52.720 They literally typed out the minutes on a typewriter

00:06:55.060 and faxed it in.

00:06:56.000 It's the craziest thing.

00:06:57.020 And so, it has been a thing now.

00:07:00.240 And this is where, frankly, like, Carney wrote this book.

00:07:03.980 Guys, he wrote this book in the coffee lounge

00:07:06.780 of these meetings, okay?

00:07:08.560 Right.

00:07:09.100 Where he's talking about things like carbon taxes.

00:07:11.820 And so, is it okay if I get into the details

00:07:14.040 of the two we're dealing with right now?

00:07:15.720 Absolutely, please.

00:07:17.200 Okay.

00:07:17.840 So, the Parliamentary Budget Office, okay?

00:07:20.640 Wonderful work, okay?

00:07:22.100 They're an independent watchdog

00:07:23.700 that basically keeps an eye on the abacus, okay?

00:07:26.480 They're in Ottawa.

00:07:28.020 They're saying that the,

00:07:30.240 what we would call the second carbon tax,

00:07:33.060 the low carbon fuel standard,

00:07:35.860 the one that British Columbia has been living under

00:07:38.200 for about 10 years.

00:07:39.880 That second carbon tax right now

00:07:42.400 is costing you around seven cents extra

00:07:45.480 per liter of gasoline and diesel, okay?

00:07:48.460 Here's the catch.

00:07:50.020 It's gonna go up every single year.

00:07:52.840 Within the next four years, folks,

00:07:55.420 it's gonna be up to 17 cents per liter

00:07:58.640 of gasoline and diesel.

00:08:00.240 We're right back in the same pot

00:08:02.260 we just jumped out of with the consumer carbon tax.

00:08:05.280 That's number one.

00:08:06.840 Number two, there is this hidden industrial carbon tax.

00:08:12.060 Remember during the election,

00:08:14.060 when Mark Carney said,

00:08:16.460 oh, it's not to ax the tax,

00:08:18.400 and he used that as a laugh line

00:08:19.920 is to change the tax.

00:08:22.860 This is the changey part, okay?

00:08:25.420 Hide it.

00:08:26.440 Hide it, exactly.

00:08:28.620 Because us tax fighters got wise to them real fast

00:08:31.840 because we're looking at our power bills here in Alberta

00:08:33.940 and our heating bills in most of the rest of the country,

00:08:36.220 and we could see it broken out.

00:08:38.260 Even on propane tickets,

00:08:39.880 I was seeing people sending them in to me.

00:08:42.040 They could see the federal carbon tax as a line item

00:08:44.880 and how much it was costing folks.

00:08:47.500 But Carney realized that, you know,

00:08:49.800 the peasants get uppity, right?

00:08:51.480 When we start realizing how much

00:08:53.140 we're being screwed over by carbon taxes.

00:08:55.100 So he's hiding it.

00:08:57.180 Unfortunately, it reminds me of,

00:08:59.660 you know, that Grim Reaper

00:09:00.440 where it's going door to door

00:09:01.620 and it's used as a meme for like everything?

00:09:04.500 Unfortunately, Alberta was the first one up on the platter, 0.89

00:09:07.760 the dinner platter.

00:09:09.000 And they signed that memorandum of understanding,

00:09:11.680 which I understand.

00:09:12.660 I understand why the government wanted to do that.

00:09:14.760 They want pipelines.

00:09:15.620 They want to get rid of the production cap,

00:09:17.160 blah, blah, blah. 0.97

00:09:18.100 But darn it, those details are devilish, Sheila. 0.97

00:09:21.160 And immediately after, remember, 0.94

00:09:22.940 Carney came out and bragged to the mainstream media

00:09:25.480 that his carbon tax is now six times higher.

00:09:29.140 So these are the two carbon tax

00:09:30.960 we're warning people about.

00:09:32.360 And the reason I'm bringing up WEF

00:09:34.240 is because that's where carbon taxes are dreamed up, okay?

00:09:37.860 That's where they're incubated.

00:09:39.440 And we got to pay really close attention

00:09:41.760 to what's being happening

00:09:42.680 in those breakout rooms right now.

00:09:44.800 Well, and, you know, I think this is Franco.

00:09:48.200 Yeah, Franco Tarzano did such a,

00:09:49.840 he did such a great job.

00:09:51.440 All of you do, actually.

00:09:53.800 A great job explaining

00:09:54.780 what these hidden taxes actually mean to you.

00:09:58.040 How much they're gobbling up out of your family.

00:10:01.700 So he notes the hidden carbon tax

00:10:04.640 will cost seven cents a litre, as you said.

00:10:07.000 In 2026, it will go up to 17 cents

00:10:09.880 per litre of gasoline

00:10:10.780 when the regulations are fully implemented.

00:10:12.900 In 2030, what is that?

00:10:14.180 250% it's going to go up?

00:10:16.140 Yep, about that.

00:10:17.560 Imagine any tax going up 250%

00:10:19.900 and you're not having a revolution over it.

00:10:22.300 I know.

00:10:22.960 Time to throw the tea in the harbour.

00:10:27.220 And then he notes that it will cost

00:10:30.120 the average household between $384

00:10:32.760 and $1,157 a year in 2030,

00:10:38.340 depending on the province

00:10:39.300 and also depending on your lifestyle.

00:10:40.820 This costs us rural people a heck of a lot more.

00:10:44.680 And then it gets into everything

00:10:48.040 because this isn't just filling up your vehicle.

00:10:50.740 Transportation costs get tacked

00:10:53.060 into the cost of your food

00:10:54.400 because the groceries

00:10:55.860 just don't magically appear in the store.

00:10:58.560 And so that's a price input, as they call it.

00:11:02.480 And that drives food inflation.

00:11:04.780 And right now in Canada,

00:11:06.620 we have the highest food inflation in the G7.

00:11:10.500 And this is a good reason why.

00:11:14.420 Yeah, bingo.

00:11:15.360 The food professor, he called it an input.

00:11:18.100 He does such a good job explaining this stuff.

00:11:20.040 But I'll put it more bluntly, okay?

00:11:22.000 If you are carbon taxing something like diesel,

00:11:26.140 diesel is what makes stuff go, okay?

00:11:30.160 All of the supplies we use,

00:11:32.300 the building materials we have shipped to us,

00:11:34.720 the food we have shipped to us.

00:11:36.480 It's incomprehensible truly

00:11:40.840 how important this fuel is to us.

00:11:42.880 If our government is carbon taxing that stuff,

00:11:46.940 it is making everything more expensive

00:11:49.480 multiple times over.

00:11:51.560 Because of course,

00:11:52.520 I don't just fill up my pickup truck every day,

00:11:55.160 drive directly to the farmer's field

00:11:56.920 and do a you pick.

00:11:58.340 No, there's several trucks and truckers involved.

00:12:01.620 And how do I get my groceries back into my fridge?

00:12:04.420 Okay, every layer of that is being carbon taxed now.

00:12:08.700 Twice, we've got the hidden carbon tax,

00:12:11.120 like we just explained.

00:12:12.360 And we have this weird fuel regulation,

00:12:15.120 which by the way,

00:12:16.620 Trudeau, when he flew out to BC a couple of years ago,

00:12:20.220 he looked around and saw like,

00:12:22.560 you know, gasoline was like two bucks a liter.

00:12:24.900 It was crazy.

00:12:25.880 He's like, oh, that's awesome.

00:12:27.320 I want that for the whole country.

00:12:28.740 And he used BC as his template

00:12:32.160 for the rest of Canada.

00:12:34.520 And you better believe it that Mark Carney loves it

00:12:37.020 because he gets to hide it, right?

00:12:38.920 And it just makes, you know, living more expensive.

00:12:41.580 And it is part of why groceries are more expensive.

00:12:44.960 We're also dealing with the long hangover

00:12:48.100 of the inflation problem

00:12:50.060 that really cranked up during the lockdowns.

00:12:53.040 I will be very brief.

00:12:54.240 Sorry, I know I can run on about this.

00:12:55.900 It's okay.

00:12:56.260 During the lockdowns,

00:12:58.140 the federal government especially 0.99

00:12:59.480 did the dumbest things possible. 0.99

00:13:01.840 They, economically speaking, 0.99

00:13:03.780 they locked down the production of stuff.

00:13:06.560 So widgets actually being made

00:13:08.440 that would absorb money when they're purchased.

00:13:10.600 And they cranked up the printing press of money.

00:13:13.700 Yeah.

00:13:14.120 So it's as if, you know,

00:13:15.860 when you're mopping your floor

00:13:16.920 and you accidentally knock the bucket over,

00:13:19.880 that's what happened with our money supply.

00:13:22.980 It went everywhere.

00:13:23.920 Now imagine not having one towel in your whole house.

00:13:27.900 You can't throw anything on it.

00:13:30.560 That's what happened during the inflation issue.

00:13:34.000 Okay.

00:13:34.440 And we're still dealing with that right now.

00:13:37.020 And when you hear mainstream media say something like,

00:13:39.440 oh, inflation's going down.

00:13:41.020 No, it's not.

00:13:42.020 No.

00:13:42.500 It's just not going up as fast and hard.

00:13:44.660 I'll give you an example, Sheila.

00:13:45.660 Imagine, God forbid,

00:13:48.540 that you lost control of your senses

00:13:51.320 and you gained 25 pounds a year for three years.

00:13:55.620 Oh my goodness.

00:13:56.720 You are 75 pounds overweight.

00:13:58.480 You're in a massive health crisis.

00:14:00.360 This next year, you only gained five.

00:14:03.840 Well, that's good,

00:14:04.980 but you're still 80 pounds overweight.

00:14:07.940 Right.

00:14:08.060 This is where we are with inflation right now.

00:14:10.660 And a lot of it, again,

00:14:12.100 keeps coming back to meetings

00:14:14.460 that Mark Carney's having right now in Davos. 0.99

00:14:17.380 A lot of these dumb policies come from there. 0.99

00:14:19.680 Yeah. 0.99

00:14:20.160 It's all those side meetings.

00:14:22.000 It's all the high level faceless bureaucrats

00:14:26.260 that are making all the decisions.

00:14:28.520 And you can't unelect those people.

00:14:30.660 Nope.

00:14:31.520 Nobody elected them to start with.

00:14:33.220 You can't unelect them,

00:14:34.220 but somehow they have control

00:14:35.520 over every aspect of your life.

00:14:37.400 You can't hold them accountable for any of it.

00:14:41.680 Just quickly changing topics.

00:14:44.080 Yeah, yeah.

00:14:44.580 I see this new Leger poll

00:14:46.160 that more Ontarians want Ottawa

00:14:50.000 to focus on policing and not gun confiscations.

00:14:54.420 We look around us,

00:14:55.760 we see crime out of control.

00:14:57.360 We see a mental health crisis happening all around us.

00:15:01.740 I saw last week Toronto

00:15:04.720 basically saying that they have devolved

00:15:08.240 into a massive mental health crisis.

00:15:10.580 And you can sort of see it, actually.

00:15:12.480 They plotted it on a graph

00:15:13.720 where people's happiness and mental well-being

00:15:16.500 just fell off a cliff in 2020.

00:15:18.780 I wonder what happened then.

00:15:20.460 Weird.

00:15:21.180 Weird.

00:15:21.680 But, you know,

00:15:23.460 the people of Ontario are looking around them

00:15:26.780 and seeing the millions,

00:15:29.320 and of course it's obviously going to be billions of money

00:15:31.780 spent on gun confiscations

00:15:34.000 from law-abiding firearms owners

00:15:36.160 who have not done anything wrong.

00:15:38.460 That money could be better spent somewhere else.

00:15:40.940 So the CTF commissioned a poll, a Leger poll,

00:15:44.480 and it found that 44% agree

00:15:49.280 with the Toronto Police Association

00:15:50.740 that the money would be better spent on law enforcement.

00:15:53.340 26% agree with the federal government

00:15:57.940 that the money could be better spent on a program

00:15:59.940 confiscating guns from licensed owners.

00:16:01.900 So it's only one quarter.

00:16:03.400 Yep.

00:16:03.520 And 30% are unsure.

00:16:06.580 And we know that the Toronto Police Association,

00:16:09.360 or the Toronto Police,

00:16:10.880 I think it was TPS,

00:16:12.020 Toronto Police Service,

00:16:12.960 says we're not going along with this.

00:16:15.440 Yeah.

00:16:15.680 We have bigger fish to fry in Toronto

00:16:20.040 than bothering the people who are following the laws.

00:16:23.880 Yeah.

00:16:24.400 Big time.

00:16:25.260 So, A, we're going after this

00:16:27.880 because we're the Taxpayers Federation,

00:16:29.800 and we've seen this movie before.

00:16:31.540 The whole long gun registry thing

00:16:33.540 was a huge boondoggle.

00:16:34.780 It was supposed to cost $2 million.

00:16:36.380 It wound up costing $2 billion.

00:16:38.900 So what's times $1,000 between friends and taxpayers?

00:16:42.520 So that was a huge problem.

00:16:44.040 And so now we're seeing this rerun.

00:16:46.280 And again, the issue is not

00:16:48.420 law-abiding licensed firearms owners.

00:16:50.980 The issue is gangbangers

00:16:53.000 who are using illegal handguns,

00:16:55.500 largely which are smuggled across the border.

00:16:58.300 So if people want to go get this out of their system,

00:17:01.600 getting mad at the Americans, 0.86

00:17:03.580 why don't they focus on that?

00:17:06.400 Focus on our border security, okay?

00:17:08.800 And that's why we did the Leger poll.

00:17:10.580 Turns out the majority of Ontarians,

00:17:12.820 even if I would hazard to say,

00:17:15.240 they may not know a lot about this topic,

00:17:17.100 but their instinct is still correct.

00:17:19.440 Their common sense is still kicking in.

00:17:21.520 Where they're like, you know what?

00:17:22.480 I don't think it's Bob that's doing duck hunting,

00:17:25.060 or the folks who are outside of,

00:17:27.100 you know, let's say, Wawa Ontario,

00:17:29.640 who are trying to keep the coyotes and gophers down.

00:17:32.180 Like, that isn't the problem, okay?

00:17:34.500 The problem is the gangsters,

00:17:37.060 the criminals who are already criminals

00:17:39.240 using illegal guns.

00:17:41.320 And this is why it's so frustrating,

00:17:43.020 because we even have the really on the ground,

00:17:45.940 I mean, frontline experts.

00:17:47.060 You get the Toronto police coming out and saying,

00:17:49.740 um, no, this isn't the solution.

00:17:52.060 And then we have provincial governments in some cases,

00:17:55.420 for example, in Saskatchewan and Alberta, especially, 0.99

00:17:58.060 who are saying, no, this is dumb. 0.98

00:17:59.760 We're not doing this. 0.99

00:18:00.580 It's a waste of money.

00:18:01.460 It's not going to help.

00:18:02.860 This is where it gets frustrating, Sheila,

00:18:04.700 because then it just really starts feeling ideological.

00:18:07.780 It truly does.

00:18:08.800 Yeah.

00:18:09.260 Because we've got pointing it out

00:18:11.480 that the money is a huge waste.

00:18:13.120 Then we have cops and experts and criminologists,

00:18:15.980 by the way, saying, um,

00:18:17.640 this ain't gonna solve crime.

00:18:18.840 And yet, and yet the federal government still presses on,

00:18:24.360 even though they did their little pilot program

00:18:26.380 in Cape Breton, and it was terrible.

00:18:27.860 I think they collected like two,

00:18:29.560 21 and a half guns or something.

00:18:31.420 Yeah.

00:18:31.620 Probably from a grandma.

00:18:32.760 Like it was from 16 people.

00:18:34.440 So yeah, it was widows and grandmas who were like,

00:18:36.480 I don't know what to do with this.

00:18:37.840 Pappy's gone.

00:18:39.100 Like it's just Martha.

00:18:40.240 She brought them down to the police station.

00:18:41.800 Yes.

00:18:42.340 But that's, that's a huge waste.

00:18:44.980 Okay.

00:18:45.400 This is not getting the guns off the street

00:18:47.840 from the right people.

00:18:48.840 And so this is why we're continuing to point this out.

00:18:51.580 Huge waste of money.

00:18:52.820 And all of the experts who know best,

00:18:55.100 who are saying, I mean, real experts,

00:18:56.920 like cops, frontline cops saying,

00:18:58.680 could you not, this is not helping us whatsoever.

00:19:02.140 They definitely need to put their money

00:19:03.680 back into frontline police.

00:19:05.520 And exactly what you were saying too,

00:19:07.580 to the mental health crisis,

00:19:08.740 if that's what they're worried about.

00:19:10.680 Right.

00:19:11.120 I mean, it feels as though there's one way

00:19:14.440 that we could spend some money

00:19:16.080 and get some sort of effect.

00:19:19.420 And that would be to tighten up the border

00:19:21.300 because across that porous border comes guns,

00:19:25.080 comes drugs.

00:19:26.340 Yep.

00:19:27.060 And bad people.

00:19:29.080 Human traffickers, all sorts of stuff.

00:19:31.100 I'm here in Lethbridge.

00:19:32.220 So it's making a lot of news right now.

00:19:34.660 Again, whenever you ask people

00:19:36.980 and like within the Taxpayers Federation scope,

00:19:39.780 when we ask them,

00:19:40.660 where would you like to spend your money?

00:19:43.080 They always say on things

00:19:45.000 like tightening up the border,

00:19:46.260 on making sure cops can do their job,

00:19:48.080 on actually reducing crime.

00:19:49.620 They never say, go after Gary,

00:19:52.020 who is getting ready to go hunting. 1.00

00:19:53.580 It's dumb. 0.99

00:19:54.180 Right. 0.99

00:19:54.840 Yeah.

00:19:55.120 And I mean, we're approaching six years

00:19:57.060 of us still having these prohibited firearms

00:20:01.040 in our hands.

00:20:02.220 And yet, and yet,

00:20:04.560 we seem to not be committing crimes with them.

00:20:07.460 It's weird.

00:20:08.400 It's almost like we weren't committing the crimes

00:20:10.080 in the first place.

00:20:11.320 I have to stress,

00:20:12.220 it's typically, typically,

00:20:13.680 typically it's the licensed gun owners

00:20:15.720 who are the most meticulous and uptight

00:20:18.140 when it comes to the rules.

00:20:19.740 We have to be.

00:20:20.660 We absolutely have to be.

00:20:21.760 Yeah.

00:20:21.880 They've been staying in gun safes all this time.

00:20:24.240 Yeah.

00:20:24.380 But again, this is just,

00:20:25.960 and you know what?

00:20:26.920 Gary Anadisangri,

00:20:28.340 the public safety minister,

00:20:29.460 he did admit it out loud.

00:20:31.180 He didn't mean to have it recorded,

00:20:32.900 but it was true.

00:20:33.560 When he basically said,

00:20:34.800 if I had to do this all over again,

00:20:36.000 I wouldn't do this 0.98

00:20:36.660 because it's dumb and it doesn't work. 0.98

00:20:37.980 I'm paraphrasing. 0.99

00:20:39.140 Yeah.

00:20:39.260 That's true.

00:20:40.400 And he's right.

00:20:41.780 And it drives a unity crisis in this country.

00:20:45.740 It does.

00:20:46.640 And that's the last thing we need right now

00:20:48.300 because it's not exactly warm and toasty right now,

00:20:52.140 but to put it nicely,

00:20:53.280 I'll put it this way.

00:20:54.380 What's frustrating to me,

00:20:55.840 especially with this issue,

00:20:57.340 is that Carney has got room here.

00:20:59.760 He has room to climb down out of this tree

00:21:01.860 to say, you know what? 0.93

00:21:02.920 That was the last guy's silly problem. 0.58

00:21:04.620 It's a huge waste of money.

00:21:05.620 We're going to divert the resources

00:21:07.220 and or save them into something actually functional,

00:21:09.600 but they're just plowing ahead.

00:21:11.740 And it just seems to make any sense.

00:21:13.940 Again, it's ideological when you have,

00:21:16.820 and it's pretty clear that now Manitoba,

00:21:20.180 when you lose the NDP in Manitoba,

00:21:23.460 you might be getting this wrong as a progressive,

00:21:26.200 but the Manitoba government has said,

00:21:30.180 this is a bad idea.

00:21:31.380 Alberta and Saskatchewan and the Yukon have said

00:21:33.800 they're going to actively oppose it.

00:21:36.900 They've got, I mean,

00:21:38.360 that looks like the chunk of the country

00:21:41.260 that you want to hang on to.

00:21:42.720 And they're getting ready to say,

00:21:44.060 maybe we don't belong here anymore.

00:21:46.020 How did Wob Canoe put it?

00:21:47.400 I actually was,

00:21:48.140 I missed the news for the last little while. 0.98

00:21:49.800 Did he actually call it dumb? 0.96

00:21:51.180 He called it something. 0.90

00:21:52.360 I can't remember what it was.

00:21:53.620 Yeah.

00:21:54.240 Yeah.

00:21:54.480 I mean, it was very plain spoken,

00:21:56.100 but it is true.

00:21:57.040 I mean, it is true.

00:21:59.760 But before I let you go, Chris,

00:22:01.820 and by the way,

00:22:02.900 thank you for doing my show today.

00:22:05.940 Let people know how they can get involved

00:22:07.780 in the Canadian Taxpayers Federation,

00:22:09.680 because you do a lot of that work

00:22:13.180 that has such a positive psychological effect on people,

00:22:17.040 where they feel like they're not alone,

00:22:18.980 but not only are they not alone,

00:22:20.300 they can do something to get involved,

00:22:22.200 because so often you feel helpless

00:22:23.700 against the behemoth of government.

00:22:26.320 Oh, it means so much to me.

00:22:27.620 Thank you for having me on your show, Sheila.

00:22:29.660 Yeah.

00:22:30.160 If folks go where we've been around since 1990,

00:22:32.980 we're nonpartisan. 0.97

00:22:34.180 If the blue team does something dumb, 0.98

00:22:35.820 we call them out there too. 0.98

00:22:37.000 Okay.

00:22:37.220 So it's a really fun way to speak truth to power

00:22:40.860 in a real way and to hold government to account.

00:22:43.400 So if you go to our website, taxpayer.com,

00:22:46.460 pull down the petitions tab,

00:22:47.880 we've got everything there for you.

00:22:49.500 A near and dear to Sheila and I's little hearts.

00:22:51.580 It's taking the PST off of thrift shop items.

00:22:54.000 Yep.

00:22:54.820 Because the government actually screws you on used items,

00:22:57.160 if you can believe it.

00:22:57.780 It's terrible.

00:22:58.640 It's awful.

00:22:59.160 They target poor people.

00:23:00.120 It's gross.

00:23:00.980 So sign that one up,

00:23:02.440 sign up to get rid of all carbon taxes forever.

00:23:05.060 Sign up to defund the CBC.

00:23:07.400 That's a really great one.

00:23:08.900 There's all sorts of groups that you can join,

00:23:11.600 whatever your flavor is.

00:23:12.840 And then the best part,

00:23:13.840 exactly what Sheila was just mentioning,

00:23:15.560 you're on our email list then.

00:23:17.060 And it isn't just a whole bunch of stuff.

00:23:18.600 It is actual action.

00:23:20.260 Phone the minister now.

00:23:21.560 Call your MP now.

00:23:22.980 I know everybody come out to a pub night.

00:23:24.960 Like it's a form of fellowship.

00:23:27.120 Okay.

00:23:27.260 And you know, you're not alone.

00:23:28.760 So just head to our website and sign up.

00:23:30.520 It's free.

00:23:30.900 And you're effective.

00:23:32.380 We don't have that consumer carbon tax

00:23:34.680 in no small part because of the work

00:23:37.320 of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation

00:23:38.680 and your army of supporters.

00:23:40.900 Yeah.

00:23:41.200 And they're happy warriors.

00:23:42.500 And it got done.

00:23:44.640 And like Franco wrote his book on it

00:23:46.120 and we put out the call

00:23:47.980 and I got to give credit to the tax fighters.

00:23:50.240 They would not let up.

00:23:51.740 They would not let up.

00:23:52.860 And they actually cried uncle on it.

00:23:54.840 And now they're pretending it was their idea.

00:23:56.260 Right.

00:23:57.680 Right.

00:23:58.840 Chris, thanks so much for coming on the show

00:24:01.420 and taking the time.

00:24:02.380 And thank you for the work that you do

00:24:05.060 on behalf of normal, everyday Canadians.

00:24:08.380 While the global elites are working to scheme

00:24:10.980 to control our lives right now,

00:24:12.460 you're just fighting on behalf of the normals

00:24:14.860 as hard as ever.

00:24:15.840 So thank you so much.

00:24:17.200 Thanks, dear.

00:24:17.620 Well, as always, you know,

00:24:26.440 this last segment of the show belongs to you,

00:24:29.040 our beloved viewers,

00:24:30.500 because without you, we couldn't do any of this.

00:24:32.420 You know we'll never take a penny from the government

00:24:34.420 to do the work that we do.

00:24:35.660 There's a shrinking number of outlets

00:24:37.440 that are still fully, truly independent

00:24:42.640 in their financial plan and in their minds.

00:24:46.880 We're one of them.

00:24:47.920 But that requires me to listen to the people

00:24:50.480 who keep us alive and fighting every day.

00:24:52.240 That's you.

00:24:52.840 It's why I give up my email address right now.

00:24:54.740 It's Sheila at rebelnews.com.

00:24:57.200 Put gun show letters in the subject line

00:24:59.560 so I know exactly why you're emailing me

00:25:01.400 as you are probably well aware I get.

00:25:05.020 Like some days it's hundreds of emails a day.

00:25:07.440 So every little bit of information

00:25:09.760 that you can provide to me helps me sort of leaf

00:25:12.360 through those to get to why you're emailing me.

00:25:16.440 And the other day on the daily live stream

00:25:20.600 that we do here at Rebel News,

00:25:21.580 it's called Rebel Roundup.

00:25:22.740 It airs at 11 a.m. Mountain,

00:25:26.680 1 p.m. Eastern, 12 in Saskatchewan.

00:25:30.580 I told you guys that I had just completed a book.

00:25:34.100 It's going through its final edit.

00:25:36.720 And I'll give you a little hint

00:25:38.840 because you are, of course, premium subscribers.

00:25:41.960 It is about what we can learn from Quebec

00:25:45.440 because they did a lot of the work

00:25:47.780 that the independence movement in Alberta,

00:25:52.360 if they are successful, that they will have to do.

00:25:55.100 And so I got my hands on the 1995 commission documents

00:25:59.720 that the government of Quebec convened

00:26:03.280 to deal with issues relating to sovereignty.

00:26:08.440 You know, what would insurance look like?

00:26:10.260 What would happen to interest rates

00:26:12.180 in the first little bit and then in the long term?

00:26:14.220 And property values and continuity of services,

00:26:18.140 which was a really big issue for people back then.

00:26:21.880 They were, in fact, concerned about brain drain.

00:26:24.120 I think we have the opposite happening here.

00:26:26.280 We have a lot of people moving to the West

00:26:28.020 in the hopes that the West chooses 0.83

00:26:31.740 a different path forward

00:26:33.220 outside of Canadian Confederation.

00:26:35.380 But anyway, I don't know what to call the book.

00:26:39.740 That's the hardest part of writing a book

00:26:41.400 is coming up with a title,

00:26:43.060 a catchy title that's good for

00:26:45.100 SEO search engine optimization

00:26:47.800 so that if people are looking for information,

00:26:50.120 my book pops up.

00:26:52.160 It helps with sales,

00:26:53.440 but it helps provide the information,

00:26:54.920 which is really, to me,

00:26:55.780 the most important point of all of this.

00:26:58.640 So I put out a call on the live stream,

00:27:03.440 which is another reason why you guys should watch it,

00:27:05.300 asking people to help me with title.

00:27:07.740 So I'll read one to you

00:27:09.480 that came to me by way of a regular viewer.

00:27:13.340 And it is from Paul Schofield.

00:27:15.960 And he says,

00:27:16.840 Hey, Ms. Sheila,

00:27:18.440 how about this as a title for your upcoming book?

00:27:21.020 Prairie Schism,

00:27:22.800 Alberta and the Promise of an Independent West.

00:27:26.720 Cheers, Paul.

00:27:29.060 I like that title.

00:27:30.800 I do, but I don't think it quite hits

00:27:33.460 on the point of the book

00:27:36.000 because the point of the book is

00:27:37.340 what we can learn as Westerners

00:27:40.740 about the work Quebec has already done.

00:27:44.420 How it would apply to us,

00:27:45.920 how we've already considered it.

00:27:48.640 You know, because I look at Western independence

00:27:50.180 as just more work that we're already doing.

00:27:53.980 More consequences

00:27:55.620 where consequences already exist.

00:27:58.340 More working hard

00:27:59.700 where we already work hard.

00:28:01.660 And the rest is just paperwork.

00:28:03.040 But there were some things about,

00:28:04.520 you know,

00:28:05.200 as I said, market shocks.

00:28:06.500 Markets love stability.

00:28:08.440 Even if that stability

00:28:10.020 is a constant state of badness.

00:28:14.160 So, anyway,

00:28:15.480 the point of the book is

00:28:16.540 what we can learn from the work

00:28:18.360 that Quebec already did.

00:28:22.220 And anyway,

00:28:23.480 if you guys have ideas,

00:28:24.700 send them to me

00:28:25.560 to Sheila at rebelnews.com.

00:28:29.160 And again,

00:28:29.800 the crux of the book,

00:28:31.140 I'm crowdsourcing this now,

00:28:32.700 like everything we do here at Rebel News.

00:28:34.140 And the theme of the book

00:28:36.820 is drawing on the 1995 experience

00:28:40.520 and the civil society engagement

00:28:42.620 that the government of Quebec did.

00:28:46.960 What we as Westerners

00:28:48.480 can learn from that process.

00:28:50.520 And they really did consider everything.

00:28:52.240 They called in academia,

00:28:54.160 bankers, insurance agents,

00:28:56.180 what they thought about

00:28:57.660 what they would do with the border,

00:28:58.740 what they would do with the military

00:28:59.820 in the barracks,

00:29:00.740 literally on the day of separation.

00:29:03.860 And I think we're in a much better position

00:29:05.880 because as if the Americans

00:29:08.340 are going to let anything happen

00:29:09.700 to their beloved strategic asset, Alberta.

00:29:13.180 So, like, we're in a better place.

00:29:15.420 You know, they thought about currency.

00:29:16.980 They thought about passports.

00:29:19.800 And so,

00:29:20.680 the point is,

00:29:22.300 a lot of the thinking

00:29:23.180 and the figuring is done already.

00:29:25.840 I don't want to be able

00:29:26.780 to tell Albertans about that.

00:29:29.820 And it was a real personal journey for me

00:29:32.340 to set aside my

00:29:34.680 anti-liberal Quebec,

00:29:37.960 secular Quebec bias

00:29:39.260 and actually learn something

00:29:41.500 from people who had thought about the issues

00:29:43.460 we are currently thinking about now.

00:29:47.500 So,

00:29:48.880 anyway, I evolved

00:29:50.220 over the course of writing this book

00:29:52.460 and hopefully I can add something

00:29:55.120 to the independence conversation.

00:29:57.860 So, anyways,

00:29:58.600 sheilatrebelnews.com

00:29:59.740 if you have an idea

00:30:00.440 for a book title.

00:30:04.400 Thanks.

00:30:05.220 Okay, I think that's the show for tonight.

00:30:06.740 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:30:08.500 We'll see everybody back here

00:30:09.620 in the same time

00:30:10.260 in the same place next week.

00:30:11.300 And as always,

00:30:12.520 don't let the government tell you

00:30:13.520 that you've had too much to think.

00:30:15.460 Ooh,

00:30:15.920 good to see you in the next month.

00:30:32.380 See you in the next week.

00:30:33.360 Bye.

00:30:34.860 Bye.

00:30:35.220 Bye.

00:30:39.380 Bye.

00:30:41.480 Bye.

00:30:41.880 Bye.

00:30:43.080 Bye.

Rebel News Podcast - January 22, 2026

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Davos dreams, taxpayer nightmares： Kris Sims breaks down climate cash grabs and Carney’s costly gun grab

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