Rebel News Podcast - March 11, 2026


SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Did the Cowichan land ruling get it wrong？ Michelle Stirling breaks down the case shaking B.C. property rights


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In this episode, Michelle Sterling joins me to talk about her research on the Cowichan ruling, and the role of the Crown in establishing Indigenous title in British Columbia, Canada. She also talks about her recent video on the findings of another independent researcher, Nina Green, on the flaws in the ruling.

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00:00:00.000 What if I told you that the Cowichan decision was founded...
00:00:05.120 No, let me try that again.
00:00:07.000 What if I told you that the BC land claims decision was based on documents that nobody has?
00:00:14.700 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.
00:00:30.000 I want to read to you something that was written by my friend and the guest on the show today, Michelle Sterling.
00:00:43.280 This is what she wrote, and just to preface this, Michelle herself is not a Christian, but boy, does she ever advocate hard for us.
00:00:52.380 She says,
00:01:22.380 I hope that people will advocate for an inquiry into the many issues that are obviously wrong with the whole 215 story,
00:01:32.100 and the way that UNDRIP was rammed through Parliament because of the Kamloops band's atrocity propaganda.
00:01:39.700 That is from her substack, wherein she calls on Christians to be brave and to stand in truth against unproven accusations
00:01:53.540 that they participated in an historical genocide with regard to residential schools,
00:02:02.380 and more specifically with the claims that 215 bodies of dead children were discovered at the Kamloops Indian Residential School.
00:02:13.000 Michelle also did a recent video wherein she walks through Nina Green's research
00:02:26.720 around documents related to the ruling that gave title to the Cowichan Band over vast tracts of real estate in British Columbia.
00:02:43.000 I'll let Michelle explain. I'll button it up. Here she is.
00:02:53.760 So joining me now is good friend of the show, Michelle Sterling.
00:02:57.940 She's here today as an independent researcher, writer, and I think amateur historian,
00:03:06.340 particularly when it comes to the issue of Canada's Indigenous peoples
00:03:11.000 and residential schools and the treatment of Indigenous peoples by the Canadian state.
00:03:19.180 And I wanted to have Michelle on the show today to discuss a couple of things that she's done very recently.
00:03:26.640 And one of them was a video where she read the research of another independent researcher,
00:03:34.800 Nina Green, on the flaws in the Cowichan ruling that have now thrown private property rights into chaos
00:03:43.860 in parts of British Columbia.
00:03:46.620 So, Michelle, thanks so much for coming on the show.
00:03:49.020 Hopefully you can walk us through this,
00:03:52.520 some of the holes in the ruling by Madam Justice Young on the Cowichan ruling.
00:04:00.220 Thank you. Well, yes, Nina prefers not to be on camera, so I'm kind of acting as a narrator for her work.
00:04:08.900 So I do request that people refer directly to her work because I'll be paraphrasing some of it in our discussion here.
00:04:16.860 And these are rather complex legal arguments.
00:04:19.860 So I'm not speaking from the point of view of a lawyer, and I didn't do the original research,
00:04:24.900 but you'd be able to see all of the original research in her work,
00:04:30.780 which is posted on Woke Watch for the written document.
00:04:34.540 And I've also got links posted on my sub stack.
00:04:37.760 So with that preface, let's look at what happened in the Cowichan ruling.
00:04:43.040 So one thing that's very interesting that I must say right off the top is last August,
00:04:49.600 Madam Justice Young granted the Cowichan Aboriginal title over basically the whole city of Richmond
00:04:57.460 based on historic claims.
00:05:03.360 And, you know, just a couple of weeks ago,
00:05:05.500 the federal government granted the Musqueam Aboriginal title over all of pretty much Vancouver,
00:05:14.300 including Richmond.
00:05:15.620 So, you know, there's already a conflict.
00:05:19.820 Yeah, an overlapping interest, overlapping claims, and both are based on oral histories.
00:05:27.980 So the documents thus become very, very, very important.
00:05:33.760 The existing documents, such as they are, the historical documents,
00:05:38.820 become very, very important in determining what actually happened,
00:05:43.500 you know, 150 years ago, and who said what, what was promised, and what not.
00:05:51.100 So if we look at the Cowichan ruling,
00:05:54.420 one of the key references was Sir James Douglas' 1853 journal.
00:06:02.800 And Madam Justice Young relied on this journal
00:06:07.500 to establish what is known as the honor of the crown.
00:06:10.780 And people can look up the honor of the crown and find out what that really means
00:06:15.960 on the constitutional studies site.
00:06:20.160 And just to give you a bit of an overview here,
00:06:22.900 it's a constitutional principle fundamental to Aboriginal law.
00:06:27.380 And
00:06:27.780 it's not a written rule.
00:06:32.000 But it's a concept developed by the judiciary based on British notions of noblesse.
00:06:39.080 So according to the Supreme Court of Canada,
00:06:41.220 the concept's role in Aboriginal law dates back to the Royal Proclamation of 1763
00:06:47.940 that states that the Indigenous people live under the crown's protection.
00:06:53.940 And that's in quotes there.
00:06:55.340 And so this concept took on new life with the court's interpretations of Section 35 of the Constitution Act in 1982,
00:07:05.300 which recognizes and affirms the constitutional status of existing Aboriginal and treaty rights
00:07:12.440 of the Aboriginal people of Canada.
00:07:14.780 So when you invoke the honor of the crown,
00:07:20.400 it characterizes a special relationship between the crown and the subject people.
00:07:30.780 So it's kind of a fiduciary relationship here.
00:07:34.400 And so once this is invoked,
00:07:37.640 it means that the crown is obliged to treat Aboriginal people fairly,
00:07:43.860 honorably, and protect them from exploitation.
00:07:47.840 So those are just some excerpts from that constitutional studies page,
00:07:55.280 just to give you a sense of what this means.
00:07:57.620 So she relied on Sir James Douglas' 1853 journal to establish that honor of the crown.
00:08:07.400 But that journal has been missing since 1878.
00:08:17.720 So the actual journal does not exist.
00:08:21.780 There are some writings about it, also from that early time,
00:08:28.420 but the actual journal does not exist.
00:08:31.320 And that was not mentioned in the case.
00:08:34.560 So, you know, you can imagine if I take a book that you wrote
00:08:39.580 of something that happened at a particular time and place,
00:08:43.720 I might interpret or reinterpret what you said in a somewhat different way.
00:08:48.940 So unless we have your original book,
00:08:52.440 no one really knows what you said at that time.
00:08:55.400 They only know what I said in writing about what you said.
00:09:00.380 So that's a very important aspect of this.
00:09:05.020 And there is also the fact that because she relied on this journal,
00:09:13.980 which is not in existence,
00:09:15.920 she came up with the concept of justice and humanity,
00:09:22.520 claiming that Douglas had promised to treat the Cowichan with justice and humanity.
00:09:29.380 But in fact, oh, and she mentions it 17 times in the ruling
00:09:34.620 and mentions honor of the crown 100 times in the ruling.
00:09:39.740 So it's all reliant on this diary that does not exist anymore.
00:09:44.680 Now, Lieutenant Moresby has an eyewitness account,
00:09:51.320 which does exist.
00:09:54.180 And he disputes that he spoke,
00:09:58.460 that Douglas spoke to the Cowichan in English.
00:10:04.220 He spoke to them actually in Chinook.
00:10:07.240 And Chinook is kind of a trade jargon.
00:10:09.700 It's about 700 word vocabulary.
00:10:11.820 And so abstract concepts like justice and humanity are not part of that vocabulary.
00:10:19.280 And also she claims that he invoked the name of Queen Victoria
00:10:27.280 when Moresby says that he was actually talking about King George and not Queen Victoria.
00:10:33.600 So, you know, this is quite problematic.
00:10:37.380 And another problem with this ruling is that she relies on Lieutenant Amelia Simpson's original manuscript chart
00:10:47.520 of the Lower Fraser River.
00:10:50.540 And that was used to establish the location of the Cowichan village.
00:10:55.200 But this chart was delivered to the Hudson Bay Company's archives in England.
00:11:02.440 And then it was passed on to another mapping company and never returned.
00:11:07.760 So, again, it doesn't, the original doesn't exist.
00:11:11.680 And in the ruling, she suggests that Simpson and Barnston,
00:11:19.180 let me just check this here,
00:11:22.240 had recorded the Toppen in Cowichan villages,
00:11:30.320 spelled C-O-W-I-T-C-H-E-N,
00:11:35.240 and three clusters of six rectangles along the north bank of the south arm.
00:11:40.740 Now, the problem is that she speaks to this Simpson sketch in paragraph 773
00:11:49.700 as though the document introduced into evidence was Simpson's original manuscript chart.
00:11:54.860 But the Hudson Bay Company archives in Winnipeg indicate
00:11:58.180 that the original manuscript chart was lost more than a century ago.
00:12:02.820 And the fact that she refers to Barnston and Simpson
00:12:09.780 is a, I think, a fabrication,
00:12:14.280 because according to the Hudson Bay Company records,
00:12:17.980 they were only, this chart was only attributed to Lieutenant Simpson alone
00:12:23.100 and not a collaboration.
00:12:24.940 So that perhaps means that there may be a different chart
00:12:30.340 that Barnston touched up.
00:12:32.240 I don't know.
00:12:34.280 Or that she, Madam Justice Young,
00:12:39.580 is, you know, sort of fabricating a notion
00:12:43.180 based on available evidence,
00:12:45.940 but it's not the actual evidence that supports this case.
00:12:49.800 So, you know, you can read the whole narrative
00:12:55.260 that Nina put together on Woke Watch Canada,
00:12:59.960 and all of the details are there.
00:13:03.580 So, like I said, it's a very complex issue
00:13:06.280 because this is all based on legalese
00:13:12.320 evidence and evidence of 150 or more years ago
00:13:16.440 that, you know, we don't have access
00:13:19.660 to the original documents now.
00:13:21.600 And that's a problem.
00:13:22.740 That was another problem that Nina brought up
00:13:28.420 in another document that she wrote earlier,
00:13:33.160 where one of the key map makers
00:13:36.720 in the Cowichan decision,
00:13:39.200 let me just find that fellow's name,
00:13:41.700 had passed away.
00:13:45.260 He was a contemporary map maker
00:13:48.960 and geographer and historian,
00:13:51.420 but he had passed away before the trial.
00:13:54.460 So, he couldn't be cross-examined
00:13:59.000 about the map that was presented.
00:14:01.640 And the map that he presented
00:14:02.880 showed a very large indigenous village
00:14:06.500 along the shore,
00:14:08.240 but the historic map in the Trutch survey
00:14:11.460 shows only two small teepees,
00:14:14.440 not a large location at all.
00:14:19.480 So, let me just find that fellow's name.
00:14:24.460 So, anyway, as you see,
00:14:27.400 there are many, many questions here.
00:14:34.000 And a thing that Nina has also pointed out
00:14:38.080 is that these Aboriginal title cases
00:14:42.360 are being filed without any citations
00:14:45.560 for the historical documents,
00:14:47.400 citations and sources.
00:14:48.920 So, it's very difficult for other people
00:14:50.900 to go and check,
00:14:51.840 well, you know,
00:14:53.440 is that a real source?
00:14:54.780 Is it reliable?
00:15:00.140 So, that's the essence
00:15:01.920 of the arguments here.
00:15:04.920 You know, and I think that's what's missing
00:15:06.920 in all of this,
00:15:08.200 is that
00:15:08.820 there's no understanding
00:15:12.460 of this judge's ruling
00:15:14.820 and the fact that it's relying on documents
00:15:16.780 that really don't exist anymore
00:15:18.780 anymore and nobody knows where they are.
00:15:21.460 Yeah.
00:15:21.860 I mean, some do exist,
00:15:23.520 but not these ones.
00:15:25.040 And if these are the essential ones
00:15:27.240 for establishing the honor of the crown,
00:15:29.200 which then invokes Section 35,
00:15:32.280 then, you know,
00:15:33.940 these documents must be the originals
00:15:36.500 or we cannot rely on that.
00:15:40.200 Yeah.
00:15:41.280 And yet,
00:15:42.720 hundreds of people's property rights,
00:15:45.440 property values,
00:15:46.500 mortgages are thrown into chaos here.
00:15:49.180 That's right.
00:15:49.780 Yeah.
00:15:50.660 And so,
00:15:52.240 you know,
00:15:54.060 there has to be a new trial.
00:15:55.820 That's the only way.
00:15:57.840 Yeah.
00:15:58.220 I believe so, too.
00:16:00.260 My concern is that
00:16:01.980 the
00:16:02.620 B.C. government
00:16:03.900 is not going to
00:16:05.720 push for that,
00:16:06.760 intervene for that.
00:16:09.180 This is just something
00:16:10.240 that happened to these homeowners
00:16:11.700 in the background
00:16:12.920 while they didn't even really know
00:16:14.160 what was going on.
00:16:15.000 Yes.
00:16:16.220 They were never notified
00:16:17.220 that this trial was in process.
00:16:19.240 I think it was in process
00:16:20.060 for about a decade.
00:16:21.960 They were never notified of it.
00:16:24.320 And
00:16:24.420 they also
00:16:27.080 don't have
00:16:29.140 joint representation.
00:16:30.640 I mean,
00:16:30.840 as individuals,
00:16:31.600 nobody has the money
00:16:32.740 to go after these guys.
00:16:34.400 I mean,
00:16:35.080 for instance,
00:16:35.940 when you look at
00:16:36.820 how Section 35 itself
00:16:39.180 got
00:16:40.380 incorporated
00:16:42.280 as it is today,
00:16:43.600 you can look at
00:16:45.260 the,
00:16:45.840 I think it's the
00:16:47.260 ninth annual
00:16:48.660 convention
00:16:50.400 of the
00:16:51.760 international funders
00:16:54.080 for indigenous people.
00:16:55.840 And at that event,
00:16:56.820 Jack Woodward spoke
00:16:58.100 about this trial.
00:17:01.020 And he said that
00:17:02.240 when they started,
00:17:04.140 they didn't have a dime,
00:17:05.260 but it ended up costing
00:17:06.520 $15 million.
00:17:07.720 and the money
00:17:09.640 came in,
00:17:10.340 he said.
00:17:11.780 We don't know
00:17:12.320 from where.
00:17:14.420 And
00:17:14.900 he said that
00:17:15.840 they had,
00:17:16.500 I think it was
00:17:17.300 37 law students
00:17:19.940 and
00:17:20.640 40 lawyers
00:17:21.940 on this case
00:17:23.340 to
00:17:24.720 make the change
00:17:26.660 for Section 35.
00:17:28.920 It's a lot
00:17:29.680 of resources
00:17:30.260 out of nowhere.
00:17:31.840 That's right.
00:17:32.700 So,
00:17:33.560 you know,
00:17:34.140 ordinary people
00:17:34.940 don't have
00:17:35.440 those kind of resources.
00:17:37.020 We also know
00:17:37.860 that some of the
00:17:38.760 major Tar Sands
00:17:40.040 campaign funders
00:17:41.140 were involved
00:17:41.780 in some of these
00:17:42.760 issues as well.
00:17:45.680 So,
00:17:46.420 you know,
00:17:46.680 and that's what
00:17:47.400 the international funders
00:17:49.080 for indigenous people,
00:17:50.400 you'll find some
00:17:51.080 of the names
00:17:51.540 of the big funders
00:17:52.400 there as well.
00:17:53.640 So,
00:17:54.560 you know,
00:17:54.860 there are lots
00:17:55.340 of questions
00:17:55.940 about that.
00:17:57.920 And
00:17:58.680 these people,
00:18:00.360 the individuals,
00:18:01.660 don't have
00:18:02.900 the resources
00:18:04.080 to pursue this.
00:18:05.900 Now,
00:18:06.240 and I also think
00:18:07.040 that the government
00:18:07.680 itself,
00:18:08.720 the federal government
00:18:09.800 and the BC government
00:18:11.240 is compromised
00:18:12.060 because
00:18:13.520 UNDRIP,
00:18:15.020 the United Nations
00:18:16.100 Declaration
00:18:16.800 on the Rights
00:18:17.720 of Indigenous People,
00:18:19.120 was passed
00:18:20.320 in
00:18:21.020 June of 2021,
00:18:23.480 less than a month
00:18:24.460 after the Kamloops
00:18:25.620 ban
00:18:26.020 claimed to have
00:18:26.800 found
00:18:27.040 215 dead
00:18:28.480 children
00:18:28.820 in the apple
00:18:29.480 orchard.
00:18:31.080 So,
00:18:31.840 that claim
00:18:32.980 really rammed
00:18:34.420 UNDRIP
00:18:34.980 through Parliament.
00:18:37.100 And
00:18:37.480 UNDRIP
00:18:39.480 states
00:18:40.740 in Article 26,
00:18:42.280 in essence,
00:18:43.380 that all the land
00:18:44.360 that was once
00:18:46.000 territory of
00:18:47.200 Native people
00:18:48.480 is their land.
00:18:50.120 And that the government
00:18:51.180 should facilitate
00:18:52.040 making that happen.
00:18:53.280 So,
00:18:53.900 what I'm saying
00:18:54.500 is because
00:18:55.280 UNDRIP
00:18:55.720 is now
00:18:56.420 kind of an
00:18:57.320 umbrella
00:18:57.780 law
00:18:58.740 over Canada,
00:19:00.280 then
00:19:01.400 perhaps the
00:19:02.600 federal
00:19:02.900 and provincial
00:19:03.780 governments
00:19:04.360 are compromised
00:19:05.080 in any effort
00:19:07.660 that they might
00:19:08.300 want to take
00:19:09.180 to help
00:19:09.900 citizens
00:19:10.820 and taxpayers
00:19:11.720 retain their
00:19:12.480 private property
00:19:13.160 rights.
00:19:14.660 Right.
00:19:15.220 A compromise
00:19:15.720 or at least
00:19:16.240 deeply
00:19:16.760 conflicted
00:19:18.420 on this issue
00:19:19.320 given they
00:19:19.880 passed that.
00:19:20.680 Now,
00:19:21.140 I want to
00:19:21.520 talk to you
00:19:22.220 about
00:19:22.920 your efforts
00:19:25.160 to encourage
00:19:26.940 my brothers
00:19:27.500 and sisters
00:19:28.100 in Christ
00:19:28.680 in the
00:19:28.960 Catholic Church
00:19:29.700 to be brave
00:19:31.260 in the face
00:19:32.140 of allegations
00:19:33.460 of abuse
00:19:34.160 and genocide
00:19:34.700 that occurred
00:19:36.120 at Canada's
00:19:36.960 residential schools.
00:19:38.020 And
00:19:38.060 I watched
00:19:39.700 your talk
00:19:40.440 that you gave
00:19:41.300 at Southside
00:19:42.580 Victory Church
00:19:43.820 on
00:19:45.040 what you've
00:19:47.120 described
00:19:47.520 and I think
00:19:47.940 rightly so
00:19:48.700 the spiritual
00:19:49.980 and physical
00:19:50.920 war
00:19:51.480 for Canada
00:19:52.720 with regard
00:19:54.020 to the
00:19:55.200 untruths
00:19:56.840 and lack
00:19:58.440 of evidence
00:19:59.040 around claims
00:20:00.360 particularly
00:20:01.440 around the
00:20:02.160 Kamloops
00:20:02.640 215.
00:20:04.740 Yes,
00:20:05.560 well,
00:20:06.020 you know,
00:20:06.360 the problem
00:20:06.860 is,
00:20:07.760 I'm not a
00:20:08.680 Catholic,
00:20:09.940 but I can't
00:20:10.740 stand seeing
00:20:11.400 the Oblate
00:20:12.060 priests
00:20:12.500 and the
00:20:12.980 grey nuns
00:20:13.860 and all
00:20:14.600 the dedicated
00:20:15.100 people who
00:20:16.020 gave most
00:20:16.760 of their
00:20:17.120 lives
00:20:17.660 to these
00:20:19.600 children
00:20:20.100 being so
00:20:21.720 defamed
00:20:22.260 posthumously
00:20:23.340 and I
00:20:24.320 can't
00:20:24.820 stand
00:20:25.940 seeing the
00:20:26.620 churches
00:20:26.980 accepting
00:20:28.140 this
00:20:28.900 sense
00:20:29.620 of guilt
00:20:30.260 for things
00:20:31.600 that they
00:20:31.940 did not
00:20:32.460 do.
00:20:32.760 Were there
00:20:33.660 some people
00:20:34.340 harmed at
00:20:35.100 these schools?
00:20:36.000 Yes,
00:20:36.660 but the
00:20:37.380 number is
00:20:38.080 proportionately
00:20:38.960 very small.
00:20:41.800 I think
00:20:42.360 there were
00:20:42.660 31 people
00:20:43.540 over the
00:20:43.960 course of
00:20:44.380 113
00:20:45.160 years who
00:20:45.940 were charged
00:20:47.380 with any
00:20:48.120 kind of
00:20:48.500 abuse
00:20:48.980 against the
00:20:49.940 children and
00:20:51.140 of those
00:20:52.140 I think
00:20:52.440 there's
00:20:52.780 like one
00:20:53.740 priest,
00:20:54.740 one lay
00:20:55.360 minister,
00:20:56.220 and two
00:20:56.660 nuns who
00:20:57.760 were charged
00:20:58.580 and convicted
00:20:59.260 for administering
00:21:01.280 a toxic
00:21:01.800 substance.
00:21:02.880 You know
00:21:03.100 what it
00:21:03.340 was?
00:21:04.120 Castor
00:21:04.500 oil,
00:21:05.600 which,
00:21:07.540 you know,
00:21:07.960 most kids
00:21:08.620 used to get
00:21:10.260 once a week
00:21:11.040 to, you
00:21:12.300 know,
00:21:12.420 keep them
00:21:12.940 healthy.
00:21:13.940 I think
00:21:14.900 it was
00:21:15.080 castor
00:21:15.480 oil,
00:21:15.660 it might
00:21:15.800 have been
00:21:16.000 fish
00:21:16.260 oil,
00:21:16.900 but that's
00:21:17.520 before we
00:21:17.960 had vitamin
00:21:18.480 D pills.
00:21:19.620 Anyway,
00:21:20.140 so what I'm
00:21:20.820 saying is
00:21:21.280 that, yes,
00:21:21.720 some people
00:21:22.200 were harmed,
00:21:23.040 but it's
00:21:23.700 not on the
00:21:24.340 massive scale
00:21:25.020 of a
00:21:25.300 genocide.
00:21:25.920 People keep
00:21:26.460 talking about
00:21:27.060 the genocide
00:21:27.720 in Canada.
00:21:29.420 No one
00:21:29.720 has ever
00:21:30.100 been charged
00:21:30.820 or convicted
00:21:31.640 of genocide
00:21:32.360 in relation
00:21:33.680 to Indian
00:21:35.200 residential
00:21:35.760 schools,
00:21:36.520 and furthermore,
00:21:38.620 even the
00:21:39.800 Canadian
00:21:40.180 Human Rights
00:21:41.160 Museum,
00:21:42.260 Canadian
00:21:42.720 Museum of
00:21:43.440 Human Rights
00:21:43.980 has adopted
00:21:44.680 this claim
00:21:45.680 of genocide
00:21:46.300 against
00:21:46.860 Aboriginal
00:21:47.320 people,
00:21:48.560 when a
00:21:49.100 fundamental
00:21:49.620 human right
00:21:51.140 of the
00:21:52.200 Universal
00:21:52.820 Declaration of
00:21:54.500 Human Rights
00:21:55.000 is presumption
00:21:55.780 of innocence
00:21:56.360 and a fair
00:21:57.420 trial.
00:21:58.540 Neither of
00:21:59.080 those things
00:21:59.620 are happening.
00:22:00.740 So, yes,
00:22:01.200 I would like
00:22:01.680 to see the
00:22:02.580 Catholic and
00:22:03.820 other Christian
00:22:04.400 denominations
00:22:05.420 stand up
00:22:06.840 and say,
00:22:07.820 we are not
00:22:08.540 guilty,
00:22:09.140 because they're
00:22:09.740 not.
00:22:10.020 the system
00:22:11.020 was set up
00:22:11.660 by the
00:22:12.100 federal
00:22:12.380 government.
00:22:13.460 The churches
00:22:13.880 happened to
00:22:14.680 have missionaries
00:22:15.780 in place
00:22:16.720 across the
00:22:17.340 country,
00:22:17.880 and those
00:22:18.520 missionaries
00:22:19.020 had very
00:22:19.720 good relationships
00:22:20.660 with the
00:22:21.340 Native people.
00:22:22.400 So, that
00:22:23.500 was how that
00:22:24.440 network was
00:22:25.060 set up.
00:22:25.560 And it was
00:22:26.380 set up not
00:22:27.680 to strip
00:22:28.640 Indian people
00:22:29.900 of their
00:22:30.660 heritage.
00:22:31.680 It was set up
00:22:32.640 as a just
00:22:33.780 transition.
00:22:34.820 It was set up
00:22:35.400 to help
00:22:36.360 those children
00:22:37.120 learn how
00:22:38.400 to be part
00:22:39.120 of the
00:22:40.360 new society.
00:22:41.880 And it
00:22:42.100 wasn't a
00:22:42.480 surprise.
00:22:43.240 You know,
00:22:44.080 I think,
00:22:45.040 was it 1886?
00:22:46.740 I can't
00:22:47.020 remember the
00:22:47.440 year.
00:22:48.140 Dawn Smith
00:22:48.640 wrote an
00:22:49.100 article about
00:22:49.640 the chief's
00:22:50.220 journey and
00:22:51.220 how a number
00:22:51.840 of Western
00:22:52.600 chiefs went
00:22:53.720 by train to
00:22:54.520 the east.
00:22:55.340 They toured
00:22:55.780 the Mohawk
00:22:56.460 Institute.
00:22:57.700 They had
00:22:58.500 students give
00:22:59.440 presentations
00:23:00.100 there, and
00:23:01.200 they realized
00:23:01.860 that, yes,
00:23:02.400 this would be
00:23:02.940 an effective
00:23:03.420 way to teach
00:23:04.660 our young
00:23:05.060 people.
00:23:06.220 And even
00:23:06.720 Chief Red
00:23:07.480 Crow, you
00:23:07.900 know what he
00:23:08.220 said about
00:23:08.780 residential
00:23:09.400 schools?
00:23:10.260 He said it's
00:23:11.080 like a brave
00:23:11.820 going off to
00:23:12.780 hunt.
00:23:14.320 You know,
00:23:14.700 you're separated
00:23:15.460 from your
00:23:15.940 family for a
00:23:16.640 time, but you
00:23:17.500 come back
00:23:17.980 with a prize.
00:23:19.300 And the
00:23:19.520 prize in the
00:23:20.080 hunt is the
00:23:21.660 deer or
00:23:23.080 buffalo or
00:23:23.800 elk or
00:23:24.380 whatever it
00:23:24.920 is that you
00:23:25.580 claim is your
00:23:27.600 trophy for
00:23:28.440 hunting and
00:23:29.500 the food for
00:23:30.040 the family and
00:23:31.360 the tribe.
00:23:32.780 And the
00:23:33.460 prize you
00:23:34.640 bring home
00:23:35.240 from school
00:23:36.060 is math,
00:23:38.160 reading,
00:23:39.040 writing,
00:23:40.140 understanding
00:23:41.360 of social
00:23:42.200 norms.
00:23:43.540 So, you
00:23:44.560 know, people
00:23:45.060 keep acting
00:23:46.280 as if
00:23:46.840 children were
00:23:47.740 kidnapped from
00:23:48.520 homes.
00:23:49.200 That's just
00:23:49.820 not the
00:23:50.200 case.
00:23:52.040 Well, and
00:23:52.820 you know, if
00:23:53.960 you ask
00:23:54.460 anybody who's
00:23:56.940 sort of just
00:23:58.280 a layperson
00:23:58.960 out on the
00:23:59.420 street who
00:23:59.760 Father
00:24:00.060 Lacombe was,
00:24:00.900 they probably
00:24:01.380 won't know.
00:24:02.100 They might
00:24:02.400 say, oh,
00:24:02.820 isn't he the
00:24:03.540 guy that
00:24:04.840 the town
00:24:05.260 was named
00:24:05.680 after, but
00:24:06.840 they don't
00:24:07.080 know who
00:24:07.440 he was or
00:24:08.180 what he
00:24:08.620 did.
00:24:09.060 He was an
00:24:09.440 oblite priest
00:24:10.300 who came
00:24:11.860 from the
00:24:12.440 east because
00:24:13.440 he was
00:24:13.800 dissatisfied with
00:24:14.760 the east.
00:24:15.380 That's the
00:24:15.920 story of so
00:24:16.560 many.
00:24:17.460 Came out
00:24:18.320 here and
00:24:19.800 learned Cree,
00:24:21.520 translated the
00:24:22.480 New Testament
00:24:23.080 into Cree,
00:24:24.560 and then
00:24:25.000 brokered
00:24:25.760 peace between
00:24:27.280 warring
00:24:27.900 indigenous
00:24:28.600 bands.
00:24:31.120 And he,
00:24:31.700 you know,
00:24:32.360 he was
00:24:33.180 there when
00:24:34.060 Wetaskiwin,
00:24:35.360 the town
00:24:35.640 Wetaskiwin,
00:24:36.780 it translates
00:24:38.840 to the
00:24:39.940 hills where
00:24:40.360 peace was
00:24:40.840 made.
00:24:41.420 And Father
00:24:41.760 Lacombe did
00:24:42.560 that.
00:24:43.440 And yet,
00:24:44.140 that legacy
00:24:44.820 has been
00:24:45.420 vilified,
00:24:46.300 erased,
00:24:47.300 and it's
00:24:48.120 just become
00:24:48.640 untouchable.
00:24:49.780 So much of
00:24:50.460 the west
00:24:51.060 was founded
00:24:52.880 by the good
00:24:53.900 works of
00:24:55.320 missionaries
00:24:56.120 who came
00:24:56.600 here to
00:24:57.740 help the
00:25:00.000 indigenous
00:25:00.280 people but
00:25:00.980 also help
00:25:01.480 the settlers.
00:25:02.260 And it's
00:25:03.380 just been
00:25:04.360 completely erased
00:25:05.660 from our
00:25:06.060 history books,
00:25:06.620 and it's
00:25:06.960 such an
00:25:07.760 important part
00:25:08.520 of our
00:25:08.780 culture.
00:25:09.300 And I'm
00:25:09.540 so glad
00:25:10.280 that you're
00:25:11.060 doing this
00:25:11.560 good work
00:25:12.180 to try
00:25:12.940 to fight
00:25:15.640 back against
00:25:16.640 this
00:25:17.820 Christian
00:25:18.720 suicidal
00:25:20.880 empathy,
00:25:21.700 it feels
00:25:21.880 like.
00:25:22.960 It's
00:25:23.160 demonization
00:25:23.920 and demoralization.
00:25:25.180 And there's
00:25:27.080 a new
00:25:27.740 book out
00:25:28.240 called
00:25:28.640 Decolonization
00:25:30.180 and Me.
00:25:31.400 And in
00:25:31.800 it,
00:25:32.840 it's
00:25:34.040 Philip
00:25:34.300 Webstad
00:25:35.240 and
00:25:35.760 I can't
00:25:36.940 remember
00:25:37.220 the other
00:25:37.720 author's
00:25:38.840 name.
00:25:39.500 She's
00:25:39.800 Métis,
00:25:40.300 the other
00:25:40.600 author.
00:25:41.460 Anyway,
00:25:41.940 she's talking
00:25:42.480 about the
00:25:42.860 fact that
00:25:43.580 she was
00:25:44.800 horrified that
00:25:45.640 her grandfather
00:25:46.900 and two of
00:25:47.640 his sisters
00:25:48.220 ended up
00:25:50.160 at this
00:25:50.700 orphanage
00:25:51.500 in
00:25:52.020 Midnapore.
00:25:52.780 Well,
00:25:53.000 it was an
00:25:53.420 orphanage
00:25:54.080 that
00:25:55.060 Father
00:25:56.820 Lacombe
00:25:57.300 set up
00:25:57.860 and he
00:25:58.380 worked very
00:25:58.880 hard to
00:25:59.320 raise the
00:25:59.720 money for
00:26:00.240 it.
00:26:01.220 And then
00:26:02.040 subsequently
00:26:02.940 they ended
00:26:03.500 up at a
00:26:04.580 hospital in
00:26:05.900 Edmonton.
00:26:07.520 So in
00:26:08.480 the book
00:26:09.000 she's saying
00:26:09.720 how terrible
00:26:10.280 this is and
00:26:10.960 why were
00:26:11.320 they taken
00:26:11.700 from the
00:26:12.060 family.
00:26:12.520 Well,
00:26:12.660 first of
00:26:12.980 all,
00:26:13.140 I don't
00:26:13.380 know if
00:26:13.840 they were
00:26:14.220 taken
00:26:14.800 per se,
00:26:16.080 but the
00:26:17.140 thing is
00:26:17.720 that she
00:26:18.100 mentions
00:26:18.540 there were
00:26:18.960 15
00:26:19.400 children in
00:26:20.060 the family.
00:26:20.660 that's a
00:26:25.300 lot of
00:26:25.580 children in
00:26:26.240 a time
00:26:26.740 of
00:26:27.260 poverty.
00:26:28.820 So many
00:26:29.780 children ended
00:26:30.680 up at
00:26:31.220 residential
00:26:31.740 schools or
00:26:32.520 orphanages
00:26:33.140 because the
00:26:33.820 families had
00:26:34.520 too many
00:26:34.920 kids to
00:26:35.420 care for.
00:26:36.600 So that
00:26:37.380 happened with
00:26:37.980 I think
00:26:39.300 Murray Sinclair
00:26:41.000 with Chief
00:26:42.620 Wilton
00:26:43.040 Littlechild.
00:26:43.820 There were
00:26:44.300 11, he
00:26:46.060 has 11
00:26:46.660 siblings.
00:26:47.200 So his
00:26:49.160 grandfather
00:26:49.560 was taking
00:26:50.160 care of
00:26:50.620 him.
00:26:51.300 His
00:26:51.440 grandfather
00:26:52.040 probably
00:26:55.040 enrolled him
00:26:55.820 in the
00:26:56.280 Ehrmanskin
00:26:56.780 School.
00:26:58.240 And the
00:26:58.860 kids from
00:26:59.320 the school
00:26:59.740 used to
00:27:00.300 go to
00:27:01.260 the
00:27:01.520 grandfather's
00:27:02.200 house and
00:27:02.540 have a
00:27:02.920 picnic on
00:27:03.480 the lawn
00:27:03.920 there.
00:27:04.440 So it
00:27:05.060 really sounds
00:27:05.700 like a
00:27:06.120 genocidal
00:27:06.660 place,
00:27:07.200 right?
00:27:07.860 Right.
00:27:08.780 Right.
00:27:09.700 Right.
00:27:10.780 Now,
00:27:11.340 Michelle, I
00:27:11.760 know you're
00:27:12.040 a little bit
00:27:12.360 under the
00:27:12.680 weather and
00:27:13.020 so am
00:27:13.300 I.
00:27:14.040 So can
00:27:16.520 you give
00:27:17.160 us a
00:27:18.160 list of
00:27:18.560 resources
00:27:19.140 where people
00:27:21.340 who are
00:27:21.720 looking for
00:27:22.960 truth can
00:27:24.100 go to
00:27:24.580 get the
00:27:25.000 facts undistilled
00:27:26.660 and unmolested
00:27:29.360 by the
00:27:30.320 government
00:27:30.780 media?
00:27:32.580 Well, there's
00:27:33.440 a new book
00:27:33.940 out called
00:27:34.540 Dead Wrong.
00:27:35.920 It's edited
00:27:36.680 by Dr.
00:27:37.580 Tom Flanagan
00:27:38.280 and Chris
00:27:38.860 Champion and
00:27:40.100 there's a
00:27:40.800 number of
00:27:41.200 different
00:27:41.480 contributors.
00:27:42.260 I'm one
00:27:42.600 of them.
00:27:43.440 And this
00:27:43.900 will give
00:27:44.260 you some
00:27:44.880 insights on
00:27:46.020 residential
00:27:47.980 school history
00:27:48.740 that you
00:27:49.260 will not
00:27:49.820 read in
00:27:50.180 the
00:27:50.280 mainstream
00:27:50.600 press.
00:27:51.880 There's
00:27:52.520 Indian
00:27:53.080 Residential
00:27:53.740 School
00:27:54.060 Records,
00:27:54.800 which is
00:27:55.220 Nina Green's
00:27:56.000 site, and
00:27:56.980 she has
00:27:57.680 posted there
00:27:58.420 I think
00:27:59.400 about 500
00:28:00.420 death
00:28:03.740 certificates
00:28:04.360 of students.
00:28:06.260 And in
00:28:06.680 almost all
00:28:07.640 cases, the
00:28:09.000 death
00:28:09.260 certificates are
00:28:10.020 signed off by
00:28:10.820 a parent or
00:28:11.480 guardian, and
00:28:12.720 the child's
00:28:13.480 body was
00:28:14.400 returned home
00:28:15.300 to the
00:28:15.840 reserve.
00:28:18.620 So, if
00:28:19.420 people are
00:28:19.820 looking at
00:28:20.640 residential
00:28:21.140 schools for
00:28:22.080 lots of
00:28:22.760 bodies, they're
00:28:23.860 probably finding
00:28:24.560 bodies of
00:28:25.600 your relatives,
00:28:27.240 Sheila, or
00:28:28.100 mine.
00:28:29.960 And another
00:28:32.380 resource is the
00:28:33.300 Indian Residential
00:28:34.260 School Research
00:28:35.180 Group.
00:28:35.760 They have a
00:28:36.440 website as
00:28:37.120 well.
00:28:38.600 Dorchester
00:28:39.160 Review often
00:28:40.380 has articles.
00:28:41.480 articles, that's
00:28:42.060 where Jacques
00:28:43.280 Rouillard's
00:28:44.060 first article
00:28:45.440 came out a
00:28:46.120 year after
00:28:46.600 Kamloops, Not
00:28:47.400 One Body
00:28:47.900 has been
00:28:48.300 found, and
00:28:49.480 that's where
00:28:50.580 Mark Miller
00:28:51.540 thinks that's
00:28:52.240 very, very
00:28:52.720 ghoulish.
00:28:53.700 Well, Professor
00:28:54.640 Rouillard is a
00:28:55.840 very eminent
00:28:57.400 historian, and
00:28:59.220 Mark Miller
00:28:59.920 is not a
00:29:01.200 historian.
00:29:02.260 So, you
00:29:02.900 know, it's
00:29:04.220 pretty crazy that
00:29:05.260 Mark Miller
00:29:05.820 is denouncing
00:29:07.260 Professor Rouillard,
00:29:09.100 who's done so
00:29:09.740 much work on
00:29:10.380 this topic,
00:29:11.760 going to
00:29:13.380 original
00:29:14.140 Department of
00:29:16.020 Indian Affairs
00:29:16.620 documents and
00:29:17.580 pulling out
00:29:18.080 original numbers.
00:29:20.160 So, and Mark
00:29:20.700 Miller has
00:29:21.140 probably never
00:29:21.660 been anywhere
00:29:22.580 near any of
00:29:23.320 those files.
00:29:24.840 So, anyway,
00:29:25.380 those are some
00:29:25.900 resources.
00:29:27.300 Don't forget
00:29:27.620 your own
00:29:27.940 Substack.
00:29:28.940 Oh, of
00:29:29.680 course, yes.
00:29:30.560 I have a
00:29:31.260 Substack.
00:29:31.980 I'm also on
00:29:32.640 Medium, and
00:29:34.360 I also have a
00:29:35.500 blog.
00:29:36.440 Well, I have
00:29:37.080 a website,
00:29:38.360 michellesterling.com.
00:29:39.740 So, yes, you
00:29:40.600 can find things
00:29:41.240 there.
00:29:42.160 Well, Michelle,
00:29:42.860 thank you so
00:29:43.360 much for your
00:29:44.040 efforts to try
00:29:44.940 to shine a
00:29:45.620 light of truth
00:29:46.340 onto this
00:29:47.400 issue that's
00:29:47.900 clouded by
00:29:48.880 innuendo and
00:29:50.720 false allegations.
00:29:52.300 And as you
00:29:53.160 rightly point out,
00:29:54.260 not one body
00:29:54.940 has been found
00:29:55.880 at the Kamloops
00:29:57.660 Indian Residential
00:29:58.640 School, and
00:29:59.340 frankly, they're
00:30:00.200 not even looking.
00:30:01.180 So, thank you
00:30:02.840 for this.
00:30:04.020 You're welcome.
00:30:04.700 You're welcome.
00:30:05.460 Stand up, speak
00:30:06.560 up, people.
00:30:07.080 So, yes,
00:30:08.460 exactly.
00:30:09.200 Be brave.
00:30:09.980 We're called to
00:30:10.540 be brave.
00:30:11.660 Let's find our
00:30:12.340 bravery.
00:30:13.220 Thank you, Michelle.
00:30:13.900 Do not bear false
00:30:14.440 witness, and do
00:30:17.040 not let the lie
00:30:17.880 live through you.
00:30:18.700 Well, as you
00:30:26.800 know, the last
00:30:27.220 portion of the
00:30:27.700 show belongs to
00:30:28.400 you, our beloved
00:30:29.220 viewer, because
00:30:29.860 without you, there
00:30:30.920 is no Rebel
00:30:31.460 News.
00:30:31.760 We don't take
00:30:32.140 money from the
00:30:32.600 government like
00:30:33.360 the CBC, but
00:30:34.500 also seemingly
00:30:35.280 just about
00:30:35.800 everybody else in
00:30:36.800 the media in
00:30:37.560 this country.
00:30:38.520 So, I have to
00:30:40.380 care what you
00:30:41.220 think about the
00:30:41.800 work that we do
00:30:42.500 here at Rebel
00:30:43.020 News, and I
00:30:43.680 would anyway,
00:30:44.860 by the way.
00:30:46.180 Don't get it in
00:30:47.040 your head that
00:30:47.580 I just, you
00:30:49.320 know, if we
00:30:49.620 weren't obligated
00:30:50.620 to our viewers
00:30:52.240 for support, that
00:30:53.240 I would just
00:30:53.600 ignore you.
00:30:54.640 I genuinely care
00:30:56.560 if you think that
00:30:57.920 our journalism is
00:30:59.140 moving the
00:31:00.280 needle, or
00:31:01.620 speaking to your
00:31:02.660 issues, or
00:31:04.160 telling the hard
00:31:05.760 truths that the
00:31:07.400 other media are
00:31:09.480 scared to tell.
00:31:10.980 because I think
00:31:12.100 some of them
00:31:12.500 actually know
00:31:12.980 deep in their
00:31:13.540 bones that some
00:31:14.840 of the things
00:31:15.300 that they're
00:31:15.600 saying aren't
00:31:16.520 accurate, let's
00:31:18.360 say, but they're
00:31:20.480 frightened.
00:31:21.460 They don't want
00:31:22.080 the social stigma
00:31:22.860 of being disliked
00:31:24.220 for saying accurate
00:31:25.440 things, or they're
00:31:27.000 just scared about a
00:31:27.960 paycheck, and I
00:31:28.960 don't begrudge
00:31:29.460 them that.
00:31:29.880 People have bills
00:31:30.420 to pay, but I
00:31:31.360 just, I couldn't
00:31:32.340 do it.
00:31:33.180 I couldn't do it.
00:31:34.520 Anyway, so if you
00:31:35.540 want to write me a
00:31:36.040 letter, let me know
00:31:36.600 what you think about
00:31:37.340 the work that we do
00:31:37.920 here at Rebel
00:31:38.340 News.
00:31:38.960 My email is
00:31:40.380 sheila at
00:31:41.040 rebelnews.com.
00:31:42.320 Put gun show
00:31:42.820 letters in the
00:31:43.340 subject line so I
00:31:44.000 know why you're
00:31:44.940 emailing me, and
00:31:46.340 also share the
00:31:48.400 clips of the
00:31:48.960 shows with your
00:31:50.340 friends so that
00:31:51.620 they can see the
00:31:52.640 kind of work that
00:31:53.260 we're doing here
00:31:53.980 behind the paywall,
00:31:55.180 and I encourage
00:31:56.700 them to leave a
00:31:57.200 comment over there
00:31:57.900 because I read
00:31:58.700 those comments too,
00:31:59.540 and as you know,
00:32:00.280 I frequently read
00:32:00.960 those on air, but
00:32:01.700 today's letter
00:32:03.020 comes to me by
00:32:04.420 someone who I
00:32:05.060 think is becoming
00:32:05.640 a pen pal,
00:32:06.620 because he always
00:32:07.200 writes a viewer
00:32:08.540 feedback, and I
00:32:09.280 appreciate it.
00:32:10.220 It's Bruce from
00:32:11.640 Radway, Alberta, and
00:32:12.820 his little cutie
00:32:13.520 cat, Delta, and
00:32:15.420 he says, oh, and
00:32:16.680 this is on last
00:32:18.260 week's show with
00:32:19.080 Alexa Lavoie.
00:32:19.900 I had Alexa on to
00:32:20.880 talk about the gun
00:32:21.920 culture in Quebec
00:32:23.240 because there was a
00:32:24.080 massive rally in
00:32:25.340 Quebec against Mark
00:32:27.520 Carney and that
00:32:29.120 horrible Gary and
00:32:31.000 Ed Segre's gun
00:32:31.960 grab, and thousands
00:32:34.140 of people turned out,
00:32:35.720 which is great for me
00:32:37.380 as a Westerner to
00:32:38.240 see because so
00:32:39.180 frequently we're
00:32:39.820 like, uh, Quebec,
00:32:41.160 all the bad gun ideas
00:32:42.680 come from Quebec.
00:32:44.140 That's where
00:32:44.760 Pauly-Sesuviant is
00:32:45.860 based, you know, the
00:32:47.600 provincial government
00:32:48.820 there collaborates with
00:32:49.820 the federal government
00:32:50.600 on the gun grab.
00:32:52.420 They had their own
00:32:53.320 provincial gun
00:32:54.100 registry for some
00:32:55.180 godforsaken reason
00:32:56.340 after the national one
00:32:57.960 was killed by our
00:33:00.360 beloved Stephen Harper.
00:33:01.200 So, you get in your
00:33:03.560 head these stereotypes
00:33:04.540 about Quebec, but
00:33:06.640 gun owners are gun
00:33:08.240 owners everywhere.
00:33:09.800 That's what I learned
00:33:10.560 watching that.
00:33:11.920 And Alexa was on the
00:33:12.880 show to talk about it.
00:33:14.240 And Bruce writes,
00:33:15.300 Hi Sheila, I enjoyed
00:33:16.060 your interview with
00:33:17.060 Alexa Lavoie.
00:33:18.120 It's good to know that
00:33:18.860 gun culture exists there
00:33:20.160 as well as out west.
00:33:21.580 I'm told that taking
00:33:22.900 people to the range,
00:33:24.280 it is true, is a way to
00:33:25.980 change their minds
00:33:26.580 about guns.
00:33:27.020 First, they'll realize
00:33:28.960 how fun they are, and
00:33:31.320 second, they'll realize
00:33:32.320 how seriously we take
00:33:33.640 safety.
00:33:36.480 And that will dispel a
00:33:38.540 couple of myths right
00:33:39.900 off the bat.
00:33:40.740 You take a liberal to
00:33:41.540 the gun range, show
00:33:43.480 them how to use a
00:33:44.120 firearm, show them how
00:33:45.680 seriously we take
00:33:46.680 firearm safety, and
00:33:47.580 all of a sudden, the
00:33:49.160 scales will fall away
00:33:50.240 from their eyes.
00:33:50.960 Even if it happens to
00:33:52.240 50% of liberals, that's
00:33:53.760 still progress, right?
00:33:55.720 I sure would love to go
00:33:56.960 even though I do
00:33:57.760 favor gun ownership.
00:34:00.080 I know that Bruce is
00:34:02.420 someone who doesn't
00:34:03.880 own a firearm, but is
00:34:05.800 a member of gun rights
00:34:07.020 organizations, because he
00:34:08.000 cares about property
00:34:08.780 rights.
00:34:09.500 He cares about making
00:34:11.340 sure that those
00:34:11.960 organizations have the
00:34:13.420 money in their coffers
00:34:14.880 to take the government
00:34:16.000 to court to advocate on
00:34:17.700 behalf of licensed
00:34:19.060 firearms owners.
00:34:20.220 And he cares about
00:34:21.360 public safety, as in,
00:34:24.140 why are we spending
00:34:24.940 money attacking people
00:34:26.020 like Sheila, when we
00:34:27.460 should be spending
00:34:28.080 money attacking the
00:34:29.860 actual bad guys with
00:34:31.060 illegal firearms, who
00:34:32.100 didn't take the RPAL
00:34:33.560 course like the rest of
00:34:34.620 us.
00:34:36.000 And then Bruce says,
00:34:36.780 by the way, I love
00:34:37.360 your hair.
00:34:37.700 It looked so good on
00:34:38.480 the Wednesday show.
00:34:39.920 Bruce, is that a joke?
00:34:40.940 Because I think on the
00:34:41.640 Wednesday show, I wore a
00:34:42.640 hat.
00:34:44.240 Because my hair was
00:34:45.300 being problematic.
00:34:46.980 So, anyways, I
00:34:47.820 appreciate that.
00:34:48.580 I appreciate Bruce for
00:34:50.340 always being a loyal
00:34:51.220 viewer, and I
00:34:51.800 appreciate all of the
00:34:52.820 loyal viewers and
00:34:54.400 supporters out there in
00:34:55.740 the Rebel Universe.
00:34:57.240 That's the show for
00:34:57.980 today.
00:34:58.260 Thank you so much for
00:34:59.000 tuning in.
00:34:59.580 I'll see everybody back
00:35:00.420 here at the same time,
00:35:01.360 in the same place next
00:35:02.160 week.
00:35:02.440 And as always, don't let
00:35:04.220 the government tell you
00:35:05.040 that you've had too much
00:35:06.040 to think.
00:35:24.400 I'll see you later.
00:35:34.180 Thank you then.