Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Did the Cowichan land ruling get it wrong？ Michelle Stirling breaks down the case shaking B.C. property rights

00:00:00.000 What if I told you that the Cowichan decision was founded...

00:00:05.120 No, let me try that again.

00:00:07.000 What if I told you that the BC land claims decision was based on documents that nobody has?

00:00:14.700 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:30.000 I want to read to you something that was written by my friend and the guest on the show today, Michelle Sterling.

00:00:43.280 This is what she wrote, and just to preface this, Michelle herself is not a Christian, but boy, does she ever advocate hard for us.

00:00:52.380 She says,

00:01:22.380 I hope that people will advocate for an inquiry into the many issues that are obviously wrong with the whole 215 story,

00:01:32.100 and the way that UNDRIP was rammed through Parliament because of the Kamloops band's atrocity propaganda.

00:01:39.700 That is from her substack, wherein she calls on Christians to be brave and to stand in truth against unproven accusations

00:01:53.540 that they participated in an historical genocide with regard to residential schools,

00:02:02.380 and more specifically with the claims that 215 bodies of dead children were discovered at the Kamloops Indian Residential School.

00:02:13.000 Michelle also did a recent video wherein she walks through Nina Green's research

00:02:26.720 around documents related to the ruling that gave title to the Cowichan Band over vast tracts of real estate in British Columbia.

00:02:43.000 I'll let Michelle explain. I'll button it up. Here she is. 1.00

00:02:53.760 So joining me now is good friend of the show, Michelle Sterling.

00:02:57.940 She's here today as an independent researcher, writer, and I think amateur historian,

00:03:06.340 particularly when it comes to the issue of Canada's Indigenous peoples

00:03:11.000 and residential schools and the treatment of Indigenous peoples by the Canadian state.

00:03:19.180 And I wanted to have Michelle on the show today to discuss a couple of things that she's done very recently.

00:03:26.640 And one of them was a video where she read the research of another independent researcher,

00:03:34.800 Nina Green, on the flaws in the Cowichan ruling that have now thrown private property rights into chaos

00:03:43.860 in parts of British Columbia.

00:03:46.620 So, Michelle, thanks so much for coming on the show.

00:03:49.020 Hopefully you can walk us through this,

00:03:52.520 some of the holes in the ruling by Madam Justice Young on the Cowichan ruling.

00:04:00.220 Thank you. Well, yes, Nina prefers not to be on camera, so I'm kind of acting as a narrator for her work.

00:04:08.900 So I do request that people refer directly to her work because I'll be paraphrasing some of it in our discussion here.

00:04:16.860 And these are rather complex legal arguments.

00:04:19.860 So I'm not speaking from the point of view of a lawyer, and I didn't do the original research,

00:04:24.900 but you'd be able to see all of the original research in her work,

00:04:30.780 which is posted on Woke Watch for the written document.

00:04:34.540 And I've also got links posted on my sub stack.

00:04:37.760 So with that preface, let's look at what happened in the Cowichan ruling.

00:04:43.040 So one thing that's very interesting that I must say right off the top is last August,

00:04:49.600 Madam Justice Young granted the Cowichan Aboriginal title over basically the whole city of Richmond

00:04:57.460 based on historic claims.

00:05:03.360 And, you know, just a couple of weeks ago,

00:05:05.500 the federal government granted the Musqueam Aboriginal title over all of pretty much Vancouver,

00:05:14.300 including Richmond.

00:05:15.620 So, you know, there's already a conflict.

00:05:19.820 Yeah, an overlapping interest, overlapping claims, and both are based on oral histories.

00:05:27.980 So the documents thus become very, very, very important.

00:05:33.760 The existing documents, such as they are, the historical documents,

00:05:38.820 become very, very important in determining what actually happened,

00:05:43.500 you know, 150 years ago, and who said what, what was promised, and what not.

00:05:51.100 So if we look at the Cowichan ruling,

00:05:54.420 one of the key references was Sir James Douglas' 1853 journal.

00:06:02.800 And Madam Justice Young relied on this journal

00:06:07.500 to establish what is known as the honor of the crown.

00:06:10.780 And people can look up the honor of the crown and find out what that really means

00:06:15.960 on the constitutional studies site.

00:06:20.160 And just to give you a bit of an overview here,

00:06:22.900 it's a constitutional principle fundamental to Aboriginal law.

00:06:27.380 And

00:06:27.780 it's not a written rule.

00:06:32.000 But it's a concept developed by the judiciary based on British notions of noblesse.

00:06:39.080 So according to the Supreme Court of Canada,

00:06:41.220 the concept's role in Aboriginal law dates back to the Royal Proclamation of 1763

00:06:47.940 that states that the Indigenous people live under the crown's protection.

00:06:53.940 And that's in quotes there.

00:06:55.340 And so this concept took on new life with the court's interpretations of Section 35 of the Constitution Act in 1982,

00:07:05.300 which recognizes and affirms the constitutional status of existing Aboriginal and treaty rights

00:07:12.440 of the Aboriginal people of Canada.

00:07:14.780 So when you invoke the honor of the crown,

00:07:20.400 it characterizes a special relationship between the crown and the subject people.

00:07:30.780 So it's kind of a fiduciary relationship here.

00:07:34.400 And so once this is invoked,

00:07:37.640 it means that the crown is obliged to treat Aboriginal people fairly,

00:07:43.860 honorably, and protect them from exploitation.

00:07:47.840 So those are just some excerpts from that constitutional studies page,

00:07:55.280 just to give you a sense of what this means.

00:07:57.620 So she relied on Sir James Douglas' 1853 journal to establish that honor of the crown.

00:08:07.400 But that journal has been missing since 1878.

00:08:17.720 So the actual journal does not exist.

00:08:21.780 There are some writings about it, also from that early time,

00:08:28.420 but the actual journal does not exist.

00:08:31.320 And that was not mentioned in the case.

00:08:34.560 So, you know, you can imagine if I take a book that you wrote

00:08:39.580 of something that happened at a particular time and place,

00:08:43.720 I might interpret or reinterpret what you said in a somewhat different way.

00:08:48.940 So unless we have your original book,

00:08:52.440 no one really knows what you said at that time.

00:08:55.400 They only know what I said in writing about what you said.

00:09:00.380 So that's a very important aspect of this.

00:09:05.020 And there is also the fact that because she relied on this journal,

00:09:13.980 which is not in existence,

00:09:15.920 she came up with the concept of justice and humanity,

00:09:22.520 claiming that Douglas had promised to treat the Cowichan with justice and humanity.

00:09:29.380 But in fact, oh, and she mentions it 17 times in the ruling

00:09:34.620 and mentions honor of the crown 100 times in the ruling.

00:09:39.740 So it's all reliant on this diary that does not exist anymore.

00:09:44.680 Now, Lieutenant Moresby has an eyewitness account,

00:09:51.320 which does exist.

00:09:54.180 And he disputes that he spoke,

00:09:58.460 that Douglas spoke to the Cowichan in English.

00:10:04.220 He spoke to them actually in Chinook.

00:10:07.240 And Chinook is kind of a trade jargon.

00:10:09.700 It's about 700 word vocabulary.

00:10:11.820 And so abstract concepts like justice and humanity are not part of that vocabulary.

00:10:19.280 And also she claims that he invoked the name of Queen Victoria

00:10:27.280 when Moresby says that he was actually talking about King George and not Queen Victoria.

00:10:33.600 So, you know, this is quite problematic.

00:10:37.380 And another problem with this ruling is that she relies on Lieutenant Amelia Simpson's original manuscript chart

00:10:47.520 of the Lower Fraser River.

00:10:50.540 And that was used to establish the location of the Cowichan village.

00:10:55.200 But this chart was delivered to the Hudson Bay Company's archives in England.

00:11:02.440 And then it was passed on to another mapping company and never returned.

00:11:07.760 So, again, it doesn't, the original doesn't exist.

00:11:11.680 And in the ruling, she suggests that Simpson and Barnston,

00:11:19.180 let me just check this here,

00:11:22.240 had recorded the Toppen in Cowichan villages,

00:11:30.320 spelled C-O-W-I-T-C-H-E-N,

00:11:35.240 and three clusters of six rectangles along the north bank of the south arm.

00:11:40.740 Now, the problem is that she speaks to this Simpson sketch in paragraph 773

00:11:49.700 as though the document introduced into evidence was Simpson's original manuscript chart.

00:11:54.860 But the Hudson Bay Company archives in Winnipeg indicate

00:11:58.180 that the original manuscript chart was lost more than a century ago.

00:12:02.820 And the fact that she refers to Barnston and Simpson

00:12:09.780 is a, I think, a fabrication,

00:12:14.280 because according to the Hudson Bay Company records,

00:12:17.980 they were only, this chart was only attributed to Lieutenant Simpson alone

00:12:23.100 and not a collaboration.

00:12:24.940 So that perhaps means that there may be a different chart

00:12:30.340 that Barnston touched up.

00:12:32.240 I don't know.

00:12:34.280 Or that she, Madam Justice Young,

00:12:39.580 is, you know, sort of fabricating a notion

00:12:43.180 based on available evidence,

00:12:45.940 but it's not the actual evidence that supports this case.

00:12:49.800 So, you know, you can read the whole narrative

00:12:55.260 that Nina put together on Woke Watch Canada,

00:12:59.960 and all of the details are there.

00:13:03.580 So, like I said, it's a very complex issue

00:13:06.280 because this is all based on legalese

00:13:12.320 evidence and evidence of 150 or more years ago

00:13:16.440 that, you know, we don't have access

00:13:19.660 to the original documents now.

00:13:21.600 And that's a problem.

00:13:22.740 That was another problem that Nina brought up 1.00

00:13:28.420 in another document that she wrote earlier,

00:13:33.160 where one of the key map makers

00:13:36.720 in the Cowichan decision,

00:13:39.200 let me just find that fellow's name,

00:13:41.700 had passed away.

00:13:45.260 He was a contemporary map maker

00:13:48.960 and geographer and historian,

00:13:51.420 but he had passed away before the trial.

00:13:54.460 So, he couldn't be cross-examined

00:13:59.000 about the map that was presented.

00:14:01.640 And the map that he presented

00:14:02.880 showed a very large indigenous village

00:14:06.500 along the shore,

00:14:08.240 but the historic map in the Trutch survey

00:14:11.460 shows only two small teepees,

00:14:14.440 not a large location at all.

00:14:19.480 So, let me just find that fellow's name.

00:14:24.460 So, anyway, as you see,

00:14:27.400 there are many, many questions here.

00:14:34.000 And a thing that Nina has also pointed out

00:14:38.080 is that these Aboriginal title cases

00:14:42.360 are being filed without any citations

00:14:45.560 for the historical documents,

00:14:47.400 citations and sources.

00:14:48.920 So, it's very difficult for other people

00:14:50.900 to go and check,

00:14:51.840 well, you know,

00:14:53.440 is that a real source?

00:14:54.780 Is it reliable?

00:15:00.140 So, that's the essence

00:15:01.920 of the arguments here.

00:15:04.920 You know, and I think that's what's missing

00:15:06.920 in all of this,

00:15:08.200 is that

00:15:08.820 there's no understanding

00:15:12.460 of this judge's ruling

00:15:14.820 and the fact that it's relying on documents

00:15:16.780 that really don't exist anymore

00:15:18.780 anymore and nobody knows where they are.

00:15:21.460 Yeah.

00:15:21.860 I mean, some do exist,

00:15:23.520 but not these ones.

00:15:25.040 And if these are the essential ones

00:15:27.240 for establishing the honor of the crown,

00:15:29.200 which then invokes Section 35,

00:15:32.280 then, you know,

00:15:33.940 these documents must be the originals

00:15:36.500 or we cannot rely on that.

00:15:40.200 Yeah.

00:15:41.280 And yet,

00:15:42.720 hundreds of people's property rights,

00:15:45.440 property values,

00:15:46.500 mortgages are thrown into chaos here.

00:15:49.180 That's right.

00:15:49.780 Yeah.

00:15:50.660 And so,

00:15:52.240 you know,

00:15:54.060 there has to be a new trial.

00:15:55.820 That's the only way.

00:15:57.840 Yeah.

00:15:58.220 I believe so, too.

00:16:00.260 My concern is that

00:16:01.980 the

00:16:02.620 B.C. government

00:16:03.900 is not going to

00:16:05.720 push for that,

00:16:06.760 intervene for that.

00:16:09.180 This is just something

00:16:10.240 that happened to these homeowners 0.99

00:16:11.700 in the background

00:16:12.920 while they didn't even really know

00:16:14.160 what was going on.

00:16:15.000 Yes.

00:16:16.220 They were never notified

00:16:17.220 that this trial was in process.

00:16:19.240 I think it was in process

00:16:20.060 for about a decade.

00:16:21.960 They were never notified of it.

00:16:24.320 And

00:16:24.420 they also

00:16:27.080 don't have

00:16:29.140 joint representation.

00:16:30.640 I mean,

00:16:30.840 as individuals,

00:16:31.600 nobody has the money

00:16:32.740 to go after these guys.

00:16:34.400 I mean,

00:16:35.080 for instance,

00:16:35.940 when you look at

00:16:36.820 how Section 35 itself

00:16:39.180 got

00:16:40.380 incorporated

00:16:42.280 as it is today,

00:16:43.600 you can look at

00:16:45.260 the,

00:16:45.840 I think it's the

00:16:47.260 ninth annual

00:16:48.660 convention

00:16:50.400 of the

00:16:51.760 international funders

00:16:54.080 for indigenous people.

00:16:55.840 And at that event,

00:16:56.820 Jack Woodward spoke

00:16:58.100 about this trial.

00:17:01.020 And he said that

00:17:02.240 when they started,

00:17:04.140 they didn't have a dime,

00:17:05.260 but it ended up costing

00:17:06.520 $15 million.

00:17:07.720 and the money

00:17:09.640 came in,

00:17:10.340 he said.

00:17:11.780 We don't know

00:17:12.320 from where.

00:17:14.420 And

00:17:14.900 he said that

00:17:15.840 they had,

00:17:16.500 I think it was

00:17:17.300 37 law students

00:17:19.940 and

00:17:20.640 40 lawyers

00:17:21.940 on this case

00:17:23.340 to

00:17:24.720 make the change

00:17:26.660 for Section 35.

00:17:28.920 It's a lot

00:17:29.680 of resources

00:17:30.260 out of nowhere.

00:17:31.840 That's right.

00:17:32.700 So,

00:17:33.560 you know,

00:17:34.140 ordinary people

00:17:34.940 don't have

00:17:35.440 those kind of resources.

00:17:37.020 We also know

00:17:37.860 that some of the

00:17:38.760 major Tar Sands

00:17:40.040 campaign funders

00:17:41.140 were involved

00:17:41.780 in some of these

00:17:42.760 issues as well.

00:17:45.680 So,

00:17:46.420 you know,

00:17:46.680 and that's what

00:17:47.400 the international funders

00:17:49.080 for indigenous people,

00:17:50.400 you'll find some

00:17:51.080 of the names

00:17:51.540 of the big funders

00:17:52.400 there as well.

00:17:53.640 So,

00:17:54.560 you know,

00:17:54.860 there are lots

00:17:55.340 of questions

00:17:55.940 about that.

00:17:57.920 And

00:17:58.680 these people,

00:18:00.360 the individuals,

00:18:01.660 don't have

00:18:02.900 the resources

00:18:04.080 to pursue this.

00:18:05.900 Now,

00:18:06.240 and I also think

00:18:07.040 that the government

00:18:07.680 itself,

00:18:08.720 the federal government

00:18:09.800 and the BC government

00:18:11.240 is compromised

00:18:12.060 because

00:18:13.520 UNDRIP,

00:18:15.020 the United Nations

00:18:16.100 Declaration

00:18:16.800 on the Rights

00:18:17.720 of Indigenous People,

00:18:19.120 was passed

00:18:20.320 in

00:18:21.020 June of 2021,

00:18:23.480 less than a month

00:18:24.460 after the Kamloops

00:18:25.620 ban

00:18:26.020 claimed to have

00:18:26.800 found

00:18:27.040 215 dead

00:18:28.480 children

00:18:28.820 in the apple

00:18:29.480 orchard.

00:18:31.080 So,

00:18:31.840 that claim

00:18:32.980 really rammed

00:18:34.420 UNDRIP

00:18:34.980 through Parliament.

00:18:37.100 And

00:18:37.480 UNDRIP

00:18:39.480 states

00:18:40.740 in Article 26,

00:18:42.280 in essence,

00:18:43.380 that all the land

00:18:44.360 that was once

00:18:46.000 territory of

00:18:47.200 Native people

00:18:48.480 is their land.

00:18:50.120 And that the government

00:18:51.180 should facilitate

00:18:52.040 making that happen.

00:18:53.280 So,

00:18:53.900 what I'm saying

00:18:54.500 is because

00:18:55.280 UNDRIP

00:18:55.720 is now

00:18:56.420 kind of an

00:18:57.320 umbrella

00:18:57.780 law

00:18:58.740 over Canada,

00:19:00.280 then

00:19:01.400 perhaps the

00:19:02.600 federal

00:19:02.900 and provincial

00:19:03.780 governments

00:19:04.360 are compromised

00:19:05.080 in any effort

00:19:07.660 that they might

00:19:08.300 want to take

00:19:09.180 to help

00:19:09.900 citizens

00:19:10.820 and taxpayers

00:19:11.720 retain their 0.79

00:19:12.480 private property

00:19:13.160 rights.

00:19:14.660 Right.

00:19:15.220 A compromise

00:19:15.720 or at least

00:19:16.240 deeply

00:19:16.760 conflicted

00:19:18.420 on this issue

00:19:19.320 given they

00:19:19.880 passed that.

00:19:20.680 Now,

00:19:21.140 I want to

00:19:21.520 talk to you

00:19:22.220 about

00:19:22.920 your efforts

00:19:25.160 to encourage

00:19:26.940 my brothers

00:19:27.500 and sisters

00:19:28.100 in Christ

00:19:28.680 in the

00:19:28.960 Catholic Church

00:19:29.700 to be brave

00:19:31.260 in the face

00:19:32.140 of allegations

00:19:33.460 of abuse

00:19:34.160 and genocide

00:19:34.700 that occurred

00:19:36.120 at Canada's

00:19:36.960 residential schools.

00:19:38.020 And

00:19:38.060 I watched

00:19:39.700 your talk

00:19:40.440 that you gave

00:19:41.300 at Southside

00:19:42.580 Victory Church

00:19:43.820 on

00:19:45.040 what you've

00:19:47.120 described

00:19:47.520 and I think

00:19:47.940 rightly so

00:19:48.700 the spiritual

00:19:49.980 and physical

00:19:50.920 war

00:19:51.480 for Canada

00:19:52.720 with regard

00:19:54.020 to the

00:19:55.200 untruths

00:19:56.840 and lack

00:19:58.440 of evidence

00:19:59.040 around claims

00:20:00.360 particularly

00:20:01.440 around the

00:20:02.160 Kamloops

00:20:02.640 215.

00:20:04.740 Yes,

00:20:05.560 well,

00:20:06.020 you know,

00:20:06.360 the problem

00:20:06.860 is,

00:20:07.760 I'm not a

00:20:08.680 Catholic,

00:20:09.940 but I can't

00:20:10.740 stand seeing

00:20:11.400 the Oblate

00:20:12.060 priests

00:20:12.500 and the

00:20:12.980 grey nuns 0.94

00:20:13.860 and all

00:20:14.600 the dedicated

00:20:15.100 people who

00:20:16.020 gave most

00:20:16.760 of their

00:20:17.120 lives

00:20:17.660 to these

00:20:19.600 children

00:20:20.100 being so

00:20:21.720 defamed

00:20:22.260 posthumously

00:20:23.340 and I

00:20:24.320 can't

00:20:24.820 stand

00:20:25.940 seeing the

00:20:26.620 churches

00:20:26.980 accepting

00:20:28.140 this

00:20:28.900 sense

00:20:29.620 of guilt

00:20:30.260 for things

00:20:31.600 that they

00:20:31.940 did not

00:20:32.460 do.

00:20:32.760 Were there

00:20:33.660 some people

00:20:34.340 harmed at

00:20:35.100 these schools?

00:20:36.000 Yes,

00:20:36.660 but the

00:20:37.380 number is

00:20:38.080 proportionately

00:20:38.960 very small.

00:20:41.800 I think

00:20:42.360 there were

00:20:42.660 31 people

00:20:43.540 over the

00:20:43.960 course of

00:20:44.380 113

00:20:45.160 years who

00:20:45.940 were charged

00:20:47.380 with any

00:20:48.120 kind of

00:20:48.500 abuse

00:20:48.980 against the

00:20:49.940 children and

00:20:51.140 of those

00:20:52.140 I think

00:20:52.440 there's

00:20:52.780 like one

00:20:53.740 priest,

00:20:54.740 one lay

00:20:55.360 minister,

00:20:56.220 and two

00:20:56.660 nuns who 0.89

00:20:57.760 were charged

00:20:58.580 and convicted

00:20:59.260 for administering

00:21:01.280 a toxic

00:21:01.800 substance.

00:21:02.880 You know

00:21:03.100 what it

00:21:03.340 was?

00:21:04.120 Castor

00:21:04.500 oil,

00:21:05.600 which,

00:21:07.540 you know,

00:21:07.960 most kids

00:21:08.620 used to get

00:21:10.260 once a week

00:21:11.040 to, you

00:21:12.300 know,

00:21:12.420 keep them

00:21:12.940 healthy.

00:21:13.940 I think

00:21:14.900 it was

00:21:15.080 castor

00:21:15.480 oil,

00:21:15.660 it might

00:21:15.800 have been

00:21:16.000 fish

00:21:16.260 oil,

00:21:16.900 but that's

00:21:17.520 before we

00:21:17.960 had vitamin

00:21:18.480 D pills.

00:21:19.620 Anyway,

00:21:20.140 so what I'm

00:21:20.820 saying is

00:21:21.280 that, yes,

00:21:21.720 some people

00:21:22.200 were harmed,

00:21:23.040 but it's

00:21:23.700 not on the

00:21:24.340 massive scale

00:21:25.020 of a

00:21:25.300 genocide.

00:21:25.920 People keep

00:21:26.460 talking about

00:21:27.060 the genocide

00:21:27.720 in Canada.

00:21:29.420 No one

00:21:29.720 has ever

00:21:30.100 been charged

00:21:30.820 or convicted

00:21:31.640 of genocide

00:21:32.360 in relation

00:21:33.680 to Indian

00:21:35.200 residential

00:21:35.760 schools,

00:21:36.520 and furthermore,

00:21:38.620 even the

00:21:39.800 Canadian

00:21:40.180 Human Rights

00:21:41.160 Museum,

00:21:42.260 Canadian

00:21:42.720 Museum of

00:21:43.440 Human Rights

00:21:43.980 has adopted

00:21:44.680 this claim

00:21:45.680 of genocide

00:21:46.300 against

00:21:46.860 Aboriginal 1.00

00:21:47.320 people,

00:21:48.560 when a

00:21:49.100 fundamental

00:21:49.620 human right

00:21:51.140 of the

00:21:52.200 Universal

00:21:52.820 Declaration of

00:21:54.500 Human Rights

00:21:55.000 is presumption

00:21:55.780 of innocence

00:21:56.360 and a fair

00:21:57.420 trial.

00:21:58.540 Neither of

00:21:59.080 those things

00:21:59.620 are happening.

00:22:00.740 So, yes,

00:22:01.200 I would like

00:22:01.680 to see the

00:22:02.580 Catholic and

00:22:03.820 other Christian

00:22:04.400 denominations

00:22:05.420 stand up

00:22:06.840 and say,

00:22:07.820 we are not

00:22:08.540 guilty,

00:22:09.140 because they're

00:22:09.740 not.

00:22:10.020 the system

00:22:11.020 was set up

00:22:11.660 by the

00:22:12.100 federal

00:22:12.380 government.

00:22:13.460 The churches

00:22:13.880 happened to

00:22:14.680 have missionaries

00:22:15.780 in place

00:22:16.720 across the

00:22:17.340 country,

00:22:17.880 and those

00:22:18.520 missionaries

00:22:19.020 had very

00:22:19.720 good relationships

00:22:20.660 with the

00:22:21.340 Native people.

00:22:22.400 So, that

00:22:23.500 was how that

00:22:24.440 network was

00:22:25.060 set up.

00:22:25.560 And it was

00:22:26.380 set up not

00:22:27.680 to strip

00:22:28.640 Indian people 0.88

00:22:29.900 of their

00:22:30.660 heritage.

00:22:31.680 It was set up

00:22:32.640 as a just

00:22:33.780 transition.

00:22:34.820 It was set up

00:22:35.400 to help

00:22:36.360 those children

00:22:37.120 learn how

00:22:38.400 to be part

00:22:39.120 of the

00:22:40.360 new society.

00:22:41.880 And it

00:22:42.100 wasn't a

00:22:42.480 surprise.

00:22:43.240 You know,

00:22:44.080 I think,

00:22:45.040 was it 1886?

00:22:46.740 I can't

00:22:47.020 remember the

00:22:47.440 year.

00:22:48.140 Dawn Smith

00:22:48.640 wrote an

00:22:49.100 article about

00:22:49.640 the chief's

00:22:50.220 journey and

00:22:51.220 how a number

00:22:51.840 of Western

00:22:52.600 chiefs went

00:22:53.720 by train to

00:22:54.520 the east.

00:22:55.340 They toured

00:22:55.780 the Mohawk

00:22:56.460 Institute.

00:22:57.700 They had

00:22:58.500 students give

00:22:59.440 presentations

00:23:00.100 there, and

00:23:01.200 they realized

00:23:01.860 that, yes,

00:23:02.400 this would be

00:23:02.940 an effective

00:23:03.420 way to teach

00:23:04.660 our young

00:23:05.060 people.

00:23:06.220 And even

00:23:06.720 Chief Red

00:23:07.480 Crow, you 0.58

00:23:07.900 know what he

00:23:08.220 said about

00:23:08.780 residential

00:23:09.400 schools?

00:23:10.260 He said it's

00:23:11.080 like a brave

00:23:11.820 going off to

00:23:12.780 hunt.

00:23:14.320 You know,

00:23:14.700 you're separated

00:23:15.460 from your

00:23:15.940 family for a

00:23:16.640 time, but you

00:23:17.500 come back

00:23:17.980 with a prize.

00:23:19.300 And the

00:23:19.520 prize in the

00:23:20.080 hunt is the

00:23:21.660 deer or

00:23:23.080 buffalo or

00:23:23.800 elk or

00:23:24.380 whatever it

00:23:24.920 is that you

00:23:25.580 claim is your

00:23:27.600 trophy for

00:23:28.440 hunting and

00:23:29.500 the food for

00:23:30.040 the family and

00:23:31.360 the tribe.

00:23:32.780 And the

00:23:33.460 prize you

00:23:34.640 bring home

00:23:35.240 from school

00:23:36.060 is math,

00:23:38.160 reading,

00:23:39.040 writing,

00:23:40.140 understanding

00:23:41.360 of social

00:23:42.200 norms.

00:23:43.540 So, you

00:23:44.560 know, people

00:23:45.060 keep acting

00:23:46.280 as if

00:23:46.840 children were

00:23:47.740 kidnapped from

00:23:48.520 homes.

00:23:49.200 That's just

00:23:49.820 not the

00:23:50.200 case.

00:23:52.040 Well, and

00:23:52.820 you know, if

00:23:53.960 you ask

00:23:54.460 anybody who's

00:23:56.940 sort of just

00:23:58.280 a layperson

00:23:58.960 out on the

00:23:59.420 street who

00:23:59.760 Father

00:24:00.060 Lacombe was,

00:24:00.900 they probably

00:24:01.380 won't know.

00:24:02.100 They might

00:24:02.400 say, oh,

00:24:02.820 isn't he the

00:24:03.540 guy that

00:24:04.840 the town

00:24:05.260 was named

00:24:05.680 after, but

00:24:06.840 they don't

00:24:07.080 know who

00:24:07.440 he was or

00:24:08.180 what he

00:24:08.620 did.

00:24:09.060 He was an

00:24:09.440 oblite priest

00:24:10.300 who came

00:24:11.860 from the

00:24:12.440 east because

00:24:13.440 he was

00:24:13.800 dissatisfied with

00:24:14.760 the east.

00:24:15.380 That's the

00:24:15.920 story of so

00:24:16.560 many.

00:24:17.460 Came out

00:24:18.320 here and

00:24:19.800 learned Cree,

00:24:21.520 translated the

00:24:22.480 New Testament

00:24:23.080 into Cree,

00:24:24.560 and then

00:24:25.000 brokered

00:24:25.760 peace between

00:24:27.280 warring

00:24:27.900 indigenous

00:24:28.600 bands.

00:24:31.120 And he,

00:24:31.700 you know,

00:24:32.360 he was

00:24:33.180 there when

00:24:34.060 Wetaskiwin,

00:24:35.360 the town

00:24:35.640 Wetaskiwin,

00:24:36.780 it translates

00:24:38.840 to the

00:24:39.940 hills where

00:24:40.360 peace was

00:24:40.840 made.

00:24:41.420 And Father

00:24:41.760 Lacombe did

00:24:42.560 that.

00:24:43.440 And yet,

00:24:44.140 that legacy

00:24:44.820 has been

00:24:45.420 vilified,

00:24:46.300 erased,

00:24:47.300 and it's

00:24:48.120 just become

00:24:48.640 untouchable.

00:24:49.780 So much of

00:24:50.460 the west

00:24:51.060 was founded

00:24:52.880 by the good

00:24:53.900 works of

00:24:55.320 missionaries

00:24:56.120 who came

00:24:56.600 here to

00:24:57.740 help the

00:25:00.000 indigenous

00:25:00.280 people but

00:25:00.980 also help

00:25:01.480 the settlers.

00:25:02.260 And it's

00:25:03.380 just been

00:25:04.360 completely erased

00:25:05.660 from our

00:25:06.060 history books,

00:25:06.620 and it's

00:25:06.960 such an

00:25:07.760 important part

00:25:08.520 of our

00:25:08.780 culture.

00:25:09.300 And I'm

00:25:09.540 so glad

00:25:10.280 that you're

00:25:11.060 doing this

00:25:11.560 good work

00:25:12.180 to try

00:25:12.940 to fight

00:25:15.640 back against

00:25:16.640 this

00:25:17.820 Christian

00:25:18.720 suicidal

00:25:20.880 empathy,

00:25:21.700 it feels

00:25:21.880 like.

00:25:22.960 It's

00:25:23.160 demonization

00:25:23.920 and demoralization.

00:25:25.180 And there's

00:25:27.080 a new

00:25:27.740 book out

00:25:28.240 called

00:25:28.640 Decolonization 0.80

00:25:30.180 and Me.

00:25:31.400 And in

00:25:31.800 it,

00:25:32.840 it's

00:25:34.040 Philip

00:25:34.300 Webstad

00:25:35.240 and

00:25:35.760 I can't

00:25:36.940 remember

00:25:37.220 the other

00:25:37.720 author's

00:25:38.840 name.

00:25:39.500 She's

00:25:39.800 Métis,

00:25:40.300 the other

00:25:40.600 author.

00:25:41.460 Anyway,

00:25:41.940 she's talking

00:25:42.480 about the

00:25:42.860 fact that

00:25:43.580 she was

00:25:44.800 horrified that

00:25:45.640 her grandfather

00:25:46.900 and two of

00:25:47.640 his sisters

00:25:48.220 ended up

00:25:50.160 at this

00:25:50.700 orphanage

00:25:51.500 in

00:25:52.020 Midnapore.

00:25:52.780 Well,

00:25:53.000 it was an

00:25:53.420 orphanage

00:25:54.080 that

00:25:55.060 Father

00:25:56.820 Lacombe

00:25:57.300 set up

00:25:57.860 and he

00:25:58.380 worked very

00:25:58.880 hard to

00:25:59.320 raise the

00:25:59.720 money for

00:26:00.240 it.

00:26:01.220 And then

00:26:02.040 subsequently

00:26:02.940 they ended

00:26:03.500 up at a

00:26:04.580 hospital in

00:26:05.900 Edmonton.

00:26:07.520 So in

00:26:08.480 the book

00:26:09.000 she's saying

00:26:09.720 how terrible

00:26:10.280 this is and

00:26:10.960 why were

00:26:11.320 they taken

00:26:11.700 from the

00:26:12.060 family.

00:26:12.520 Well,

00:26:12.660 first of

00:26:12.980 all,

00:26:13.140 I don't

00:26:13.380 know if

00:26:13.840 they were

00:26:14.220 taken

00:26:14.800 per se,

00:26:16.080 but the

00:26:17.140 thing is

00:26:17.720 that she

00:26:18.100 mentions

00:26:18.540 there were

00:26:18.960 15

00:26:19.400 children in

00:26:20.060 the family.

00:26:20.660 that's a

00:26:25.300 lot of

00:26:25.580 children in

00:26:26.240 a time

00:26:26.740 of

00:26:27.260 poverty.

00:26:28.820 So many

00:26:29.780 children ended

00:26:30.680 up at

00:26:31.220 residential

00:26:31.740 schools or

00:26:32.520 orphanages

00:26:33.140 because the

00:26:33.820 families had

00:26:34.520 too many

00:26:34.920 kids to

00:26:35.420 care for.

00:26:36.600 So that

00:26:37.380 happened with

00:26:37.980 I think

00:26:39.300 Murray Sinclair

00:26:41.000 with Chief

00:26:42.620 Wilton

00:26:43.040 Littlechild.

00:26:43.820 There were

00:26:44.300 11, he

00:26:46.060 has 11

00:26:46.660 siblings.

00:26:47.200 So his

00:26:49.160 grandfather

00:26:49.560 was taking

00:26:50.160 care of

00:26:50.620 him.

00:26:51.300 His

00:26:51.440 grandfather

00:26:52.040 probably

00:26:55.040 enrolled him

00:26:55.820 in the

00:26:56.280 Ehrmanskin

00:26:56.780 School.

00:26:58.240 And the

00:26:58.860 kids from

00:26:59.320 the school

00:26:59.740 used to

00:27:00.300 go to

00:27:01.260 the

00:27:01.520 grandfather's

00:27:02.200 house and

00:27:02.540 have a

00:27:02.920 picnic on

00:27:03.480 the lawn

00:27:03.920 there.

00:27:04.440 So it

00:27:05.060 really sounds

00:27:05.700 like a

00:27:06.120 genocidal

00:27:06.660 place,

00:27:07.200 right?

00:27:07.860 Right.

00:27:08.780 Right.

00:27:09.700 Right.

00:27:10.780 Now,

00:27:11.340 Michelle, I

00:27:11.760 know you're

00:27:12.040 a little bit

00:27:12.360 under the

00:27:12.680 weather and

00:27:13.020 so am

00:27:13.300 I.

00:27:14.040 So can

00:27:16.520 you give

00:27:17.160 us a

00:27:18.160 list of

00:27:18.560 resources

00:27:19.140 where people

00:27:21.340 who are

00:27:21.720 looking for

00:27:22.960 truth can

00:27:24.100 go to

00:27:24.580 get the

00:27:25.000 facts undistilled

00:27:26.660 and unmolested

00:27:29.360 by the

00:27:30.320 government

00:27:30.780 media?

00:27:32.580 Well, there's

00:27:33.440 a new book

00:27:33.940 out called

00:27:34.540 Dead Wrong.

00:27:35.920 It's edited

00:27:36.680 by Dr.

00:27:37.580 Tom Flanagan

00:27:38.280 and Chris

00:27:38.860 Champion and

00:27:40.100 there's a

00:27:40.800 number of

00:27:41.200 different

00:27:41.480 contributors.

00:27:42.260 I'm one

00:27:42.600 of them.

00:27:43.440 And this

00:27:43.900 will give

00:27:44.260 you some

00:27:44.880 insights on

00:27:46.020 residential

00:27:47.980 school history

00:27:48.740 that you

00:27:49.260 will not

00:27:49.820 read in

00:27:50.180 the

00:27:50.280 mainstream

00:27:50.600 press.

00:27:51.880 There's

00:27:52.520 Indian

00:27:53.080 Residential

00:27:53.740 School

00:27:54.060 Records,

00:27:54.800 which is

00:27:55.220 Nina Green's

00:27:56.000 site, and

00:27:56.980 she has

00:27:57.680 posted there

00:27:58.420 I think

00:27:59.400 about 500

00:28:00.420 death

00:28:03.740 certificates

00:28:04.360 of students.

00:28:06.260 And in

00:28:06.680 almost all

00:28:07.640 cases, the

00:28:09.000 death

00:28:09.260 certificates are

00:28:10.020 signed off by

00:28:10.820 a parent or

00:28:11.480 guardian, and

00:28:12.720 the child's

00:28:13.480 body was

00:28:14.400 returned home

00:28:15.300 to the

00:28:15.840 reserve.

00:28:18.620 So, if

00:28:19.420 people are

00:28:19.820 looking at

00:28:20.640 residential

00:28:21.140 schools for

00:28:22.080 lots of

00:28:22.760 bodies, they're

00:28:23.860 probably finding

00:28:24.560 bodies of

00:28:25.600 your relatives,

00:28:27.240 Sheila, or

00:28:28.100 mine.

00:28:29.960 And another

00:28:32.380 resource is the

00:28:33.300 Indian Residential

00:28:34.260 School Research

00:28:35.180 Group.

00:28:35.760 They have a

00:28:36.440 website as

00:28:37.120 well.

00:28:38.600 Dorchester

00:28:39.160 Review often

00:28:40.380 has articles.

00:28:41.480 articles, that's

00:28:42.060 where Jacques

00:28:43.280 Rouillard's

00:28:44.060 first article

00:28:45.440 came out a

00:28:46.120 year after

00:28:46.600 Kamloops, Not

00:28:47.400 One Body

00:28:47.900 has been

00:28:48.300 found, and

00:28:49.480 that's where

00:28:50.580 Mark Miller

00:28:51.540 thinks that's

00:28:52.240 very, very

00:28:52.720 ghoulish.

00:28:53.700 Well, Professor

00:28:54.640 Rouillard is a

00:28:55.840 very eminent

00:28:57.400 historian, and

00:28:59.220 Mark Miller

00:28:59.920 is not a

00:29:01.200 historian.

00:29:02.260 So, you

00:29:02.900 know, it's

00:29:04.220 pretty crazy that

00:29:05.260 Mark Miller

00:29:05.820 is denouncing

00:29:07.260 Professor Rouillard,

00:29:09.100 who's done so

00:29:09.740 much work on

00:29:10.380 this topic,

00:29:11.760 going to

00:29:13.380 original

00:29:14.140 Department of

00:29:16.020 Indian Affairs

00:29:16.620 documents and

00:29:17.580 pulling out

00:29:18.080 original numbers.

00:29:20.160 So, and Mark

00:29:20.700 Miller has

00:29:21.140 probably never

00:29:21.660 been anywhere

00:29:22.580 near any of

00:29:23.320 those files.

00:29:24.840 So, anyway,

00:29:25.380 those are some

00:29:25.900 resources.

00:29:27.300 Don't forget

00:29:27.620 your own

00:29:27.940 Substack.

00:29:28.940 Oh, of

00:29:29.680 course, yes.

00:29:30.560 I have a

00:29:31.260 Substack.

00:29:31.980 I'm also on

00:29:32.640 Medium, and

00:29:34.360 I also have a

00:29:35.500 blog.

00:29:36.440 Well, I have

00:29:37.080 a website,

00:29:38.360 michellesterling.com.

00:29:39.740 So, yes, you

00:29:40.600 can find things

00:29:41.240 there.

00:29:42.160 Well, Michelle,

00:29:42.860 thank you so

00:29:43.360 much for your

00:29:44.040 efforts to try

00:29:44.940 to shine a

00:29:45.620 light of truth

00:29:46.340 onto this

00:29:47.400 issue that's

00:29:47.900 clouded by

00:29:48.880 innuendo and

00:29:50.720 false allegations.

00:29:52.300 And as you

00:29:53.160 rightly point out,

00:29:54.260 not one body

00:29:54.940 has been found

00:29:55.880 at the Kamloops

00:29:57.660 Indian Residential

00:29:58.640 School, and

00:29:59.340 frankly, they're

00:30:00.200 not even looking.

00:30:01.180 So, thank you

00:30:02.840 for this.

00:30:04.020 You're welcome.

00:30:04.700 You're welcome.

00:30:05.460 Stand up, speak

00:30:06.560 up, people.

00:30:07.080 So, yes,

00:30:08.460 exactly.

00:30:09.200 Be brave.

00:30:09.980 We're called to

00:30:10.540 be brave.

00:30:11.660 Let's find our

00:30:12.340 bravery.

00:30:13.220 Thank you, Michelle.

00:30:13.900 Do not bear false

00:30:14.440 witness, and do

00:30:17.040 not let the lie

00:30:17.880 live through you.

00:30:18.700 Well, as you

00:30:26.800 know, the last

00:30:27.220 portion of the

00:30:27.700 show belongs to

00:30:28.400 you, our beloved

00:30:29.220 viewer, because

00:30:29.860 without you, there

00:30:30.920 is no Rebel

00:30:31.460 News.

00:30:31.760 We don't take

00:30:32.140 money from the

00:30:32.600 government like

00:30:33.360 the CBC, but

00:30:34.500 also seemingly

00:30:35.280 just about

00:30:35.800 everybody else in

00:30:36.800 the media in

00:30:37.560 this country.

00:30:38.520 So, I have to

00:30:40.380 care what you

00:30:41.220 think about the

00:30:41.800 work that we do

00:30:42.500 here at Rebel

00:30:43.020 News, and I

00:30:43.680 would anyway,

00:30:44.860 by the way.

00:30:46.180 Don't get it in

00:30:47.040 your head that

00:30:47.580 I just, you

00:30:49.320 know, if we

00:30:49.620 weren't obligated

00:30:50.620 to our viewers

00:30:52.240 for support, that

00:30:53.240 I would just

00:30:53.600 ignore you.

00:30:54.640 I genuinely care

00:30:56.560 if you think that

00:30:57.920 our journalism is

00:30:59.140 moving the

00:31:00.280 needle, or

00:31:01.620 speaking to your

00:31:02.660 issues, or

00:31:04.160 telling the hard

00:31:05.760 truths that the

00:31:07.400 other media are

00:31:09.480 scared to tell.

00:31:10.980 because I think

00:31:12.100 some of them

00:31:12.500 actually know

00:31:12.980 deep in their

00:31:13.540 bones that some

00:31:14.840 of the things

00:31:15.300 that they're

00:31:15.600 saying aren't

00:31:16.520 accurate, let's

00:31:18.360 say, but they're

00:31:20.480 frightened.

00:31:21.460 They don't want

00:31:22.080 the social stigma

00:31:22.860 of being disliked

00:31:24.220 for saying accurate

00:31:25.440 things, or they're

00:31:27.000 just scared about a

00:31:27.960 paycheck, and I

00:31:28.960 don't begrudge

00:31:29.460 them that.

00:31:29.880 People have bills

00:31:30.420 to pay, but I

00:31:31.360 just, I couldn't

00:31:32.340 do it.

00:31:33.180 I couldn't do it.

00:31:34.520 Anyway, so if you

00:31:35.540 want to write me a

00:31:36.040 letter, let me know

00:31:36.600 what you think about

00:31:37.340 the work that we do

00:31:37.920 here at Rebel

00:31:38.340 News.

00:31:38.960 My email is

00:31:40.380 sheila at

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00:31:42.320 Put gun show

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00:31:43.340 subject line so I

00:31:44.000 know why you're

00:31:44.940 emailing me, and

00:31:46.340 also share the

00:31:48.400 clips of the

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00:31:50.340 friends so that

00:31:51.620 they can see the

00:31:52.640 kind of work that

00:31:53.260 we're doing here

00:31:53.980 behind the paywall,

00:31:55.180 and I encourage

00:31:56.700 them to leave a

00:31:57.200 comment over there

00:31:57.900 because I read

00:31:58.700 those comments too,

00:31:59.540 and as you know,

00:32:00.280 I frequently read

00:32:00.960 those on air, but

00:32:01.700 today's letter

00:32:03.020 comes to me by

00:32:04.420 someone who I

00:32:05.060 think is becoming

00:32:05.640 a pen pal,

00:32:06.620 because he always

00:32:07.200 writes a viewer

00:32:08.540 feedback, and I

00:32:09.280 appreciate it.

00:32:10.220 It's Bruce from

00:32:11.640 Radway, Alberta, and

00:32:12.820 his little cutie

00:32:13.520 cat, Delta, and

00:32:15.420 he says, oh, and

00:32:16.680 this is on last

00:32:18.260 week's show with

00:32:19.080 Alexa Lavoie.

00:32:19.900 I had Alexa on to 1.00

00:32:20.880 talk about the gun

00:32:21.920 culture in Quebec

00:32:23.240 because there was a

00:32:24.080 massive rally in

00:32:25.340 Quebec against Mark

00:32:27.520 Carney and that

00:32:29.120 horrible Gary and

00:32:31.000 Ed Segre's gun

00:32:31.960 grab, and thousands

00:32:34.140 of people turned out,

00:32:35.720 which is great for me

00:32:37.380 as a Westerner to

00:32:38.240 see because so

00:32:39.180 frequently we're

00:32:39.820 like, uh, Quebec,

00:32:41.160 all the bad gun ideas

00:32:42.680 come from Quebec.

00:32:44.140 That's where

00:32:44.760 Pauly-Sesuviant is

00:32:45.860 based, you know, the

00:32:47.600 provincial government

00:32:48.820 there collaborates with

00:32:49.820 the federal government

00:32:50.600 on the gun grab.

00:32:52.420 They had their own

00:32:53.320 provincial gun

00:32:54.100 registry for some

00:32:55.180 godforsaken reason

00:32:56.340 after the national one

00:32:57.960 was killed by our

00:33:00.360 beloved Stephen Harper.

00:33:01.200 So, you get in your

00:33:03.560 head these stereotypes

00:33:04.540 about Quebec, but

00:33:06.640 gun owners are gun 0.73

00:33:08.240 owners everywhere.

00:33:09.800 That's what I learned

00:33:10.560 watching that.

00:33:11.920 And Alexa was on the

00:33:12.880 show to talk about it.

00:33:14.240 And Bruce writes,

00:33:15.300 Hi Sheila, I enjoyed

00:33:16.060 your interview with

00:33:17.060 Alexa Lavoie.

00:33:18.120 It's good to know that

00:33:18.860 gun culture exists there 0.97

00:33:20.160 as well as out west.

00:33:21.580 I'm told that taking

00:33:22.900 people to the range,

00:33:24.280 it is true, is a way to

00:33:25.980 change their minds

00:33:26.580 about guns.

00:33:27.020 First, they'll realize

00:33:28.960 how fun they are, and

00:33:31.320 second, they'll realize

00:33:32.320 how seriously we take

00:33:33.640 safety.

00:33:36.480 And that will dispel a

00:33:38.540 couple of myths right

00:33:39.900 off the bat.

00:33:40.740 You take a liberal to

00:33:41.540 the gun range, show

00:33:43.480 them how to use a

00:33:44.120 firearm, show them how

00:33:45.680 seriously we take

00:33:46.680 firearm safety, and

00:33:47.580 all of a sudden, the

00:33:49.160 scales will fall away

00:33:50.240 from their eyes.

00:33:50.960 Even if it happens to

00:33:52.240 50% of liberals, that's

00:33:53.760 still progress, right?

00:33:55.720 I sure would love to go

00:33:56.960 even though I do

00:33:57.760 favor gun ownership.

00:34:00.080 I know that Bruce is

00:34:02.420 someone who doesn't

00:34:03.880 own a firearm, but is

00:34:05.800 a member of gun rights

00:34:07.020 organizations, because he

00:34:08.000 cares about property

00:34:08.780 rights.

00:34:09.500 He cares about making

00:34:11.340 sure that those

00:34:11.960 organizations have the

00:34:13.420 money in their coffers

00:34:14.880 to take the government

00:34:16.000 to court to advocate on

00:34:17.700 behalf of licensed

00:34:19.060 firearms owners.

00:34:20.220 And he cares about

00:34:21.360 public safety, as in,

00:34:24.140 why are we spending

00:34:24.940 money attacking people

00:34:26.020 like Sheila, when we 0.85

00:34:27.460 should be spending

00:34:28.080 money attacking the

00:34:29.860 actual bad guys with

00:34:31.060 illegal firearms, who

00:34:32.100 didn't take the RPAL

00:34:33.560 course like the rest of

00:34:34.620 us.

00:34:36.000 And then Bruce says,

00:34:36.780 by the way, I love

00:34:37.360 your hair.

00:34:37.700 It looked so good on

00:34:38.480 the Wednesday show.

00:34:39.920 Bruce, is that a joke?

00:34:40.940 Because I think on the

00:34:41.640 Wednesday show, I wore a

00:34:42.640 hat.

00:34:44.240 Because my hair was

00:34:45.300 being problematic.

00:34:46.980 So, anyways, I

00:34:47.820 appreciate that.

00:34:48.580 I appreciate Bruce for

00:34:50.340 always being a loyal

00:34:51.220 viewer, and I

00:34:51.800 appreciate all of the

00:34:52.820 loyal viewers and

00:34:54.400 supporters out there in

00:34:55.740 the Rebel Universe.

00:34:57.240 That's the show for

00:34:57.980 today.

00:34:58.260 Thank you so much for

00:34:59.000 tuning in.

00:34:59.580 I'll see everybody back

00:35:00.420 here at the same time,

00:35:01.360 in the same place next

00:35:02.160 week.

00:35:02.440 And as always, don't let

00:35:04.220 the government tell you

00:35:05.040 that you've had too much

00:35:06.040 to think.

00:35:24.400 I'll see you later.

00:35:34.180 Thank you then.

Rebel News Podcast - March 11, 2026

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