Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ 'Experts' claim Canada is warming rapidly, but what if the data is faulty？

00:00:00.000 What if the data the federal government has been relying on to shove climate policies down your throat has been corrupted from the very beginning?

00:00:25.000 Well, today, I think we have proof. I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:31.220 For years, Canadians have been told, repeatedly, that our country is warming at twice the global average,

00:00:37.080 and that claim underpins carbon taxes, energy bans, bank stress tests, and hundreds of billions of dollars in so-called climate action to liberal-linked insiders.

00:00:46.260 But what if the data behind it all was completely broken?

00:00:50.140 And worse, what if the federal government knew that it was broken because analysts inside the Bank of Canada told the government that it was?

00:01:02.780 This is something I think we all sort of intuitively knew, but it's true. 0.99

00:01:10.880 It's in black and white.

00:01:12.140 Today, Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition joins me today to break it down.

00:01:17.900 It's crazy. Take a listen.

00:01:20.140 So joining me now is a good friend of Rebel News and good friend of reality everywhere, Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition Canada.

00:01:33.880 I haven't talked to Tom since I got back from, I was going to say beautiful Blem, but the people were beautiful.

00:01:42.580 The people were lovely. Let's just leave it there.

00:01:44.660 At the United Nations Climate Change Conference.

00:01:48.100 And Tom, to cap off 2025, you wrote an article.

00:01:52.680 It's published at America Out Loud.

00:01:54.440 I'll make sure I link it in the article accompanying the show today.

00:02:00.420 But you ask, you pose the question,

00:02:04.180 is Canada now the poster child for politically driven climate data corruption?

00:02:10.500 Tell us about this, because if it were just climate corruption, I would also believe that.

00:02:15.480 But because I sat through the green slush fund hearings where liberal linked insiders were just voting themselves money for green schemes.

00:02:25.680 But this is more about the corruption of the data itself.

00:02:29.480 So the basis by which these people give themselves money to fight the climate scare, it's built on shifting sand, isn't it?

00:02:37.040 Yeah, exactly.

00:02:38.500 Well, it seems like if the data supports the climate narrative, then very few people check it because it helps them promote their cause.

00:02:47.140 You know, and that's exactly what happened here.

00:02:49.220 It turns out that on December 23rd, two days before Christmas, we got a beautiful Christmas present from Dr. Joseph Hickey.

00:02:56.860 H-I-C-K-E-Y. 1.00

00:02:58.140 Who's going to actually be on our America Out Loud show this weekend at 7 p.m. at AmericaOutloud.news.

00:03:03.960 If people want to hear our interview with him.

00:03:05.520 He's a data scientist with a Ph.D. in physics.

00:03:08.960 OK, his specialty is complexity science.

00:03:11.520 And there's not much that's more complex than climate change.

00:03:14.680 That's for sure.

00:03:15.720 Anyway, he wrote a report.

00:03:17.220 It's got a complicated title, but it's not that hard once I explain it.

00:03:20.840 The title is Artificial Stepwise Increases in Homogenized Surface Air Temperature Data Invalidate Published Climate Warming Claims for Canada.

00:03:31.060 So he didn't pull his punches.

00:03:32.220 He said point blank that it's actually a data artifact that is responsible for most of Canada's supposed warming.

00:03:40.100 And what he found was that in 1998, at most stations across Canada, there was a stepwise increase.

00:03:46.660 OK, temperatures sort of going up gradually, which has been happening since the end of the last glacial.

00:03:51.420 In fact, it's been happening since the end of the Little Ice Age, of course.

00:03:54.900 And that's been a good thing, generally speaking, because I don't know about you, but I don't really want another Little Ice Age.

00:04:00.440 But regardless, then suddenly in 1998, when they brought in 70 some odd new temperature sensors, the temperature suddenly jumped up one degree C.

00:04:10.900 And from there on, it stayed at this one degree C greater.

00:04:14.560 And so what he found is that that is a data artifact.

00:04:18.540 In other words, it's not caused by nature changing at one degree suddenly in one year.

00:04:23.560 It's caused by the fact that some of the data appears to be corrupted, corrupted partly because of these new temperature sensors.

00:04:31.480 But there can be other causes, too.

00:04:33.280 For example, the vegetation grows up around temperature sensing stations.

00:04:37.100 And sometimes it can be a social thing, too, because there is a different incentive for scientists to find a certain temperature.

00:04:45.120 And I want to tell you a funny story that shows how data is actually affected by social things, too.

00:04:51.180 You know, in the Soviet Union, the scientists who were in the far north were given a bonus when the temperature was below a certain level because it was miserable to live up there.

00:05:02.260 Yeah, I believe that.

00:05:03.820 Yeah.

00:05:04.280 And so you can imagine what they would do.

00:05:06.540 They could push the temperatures down, of course, so they get their bonus.

00:05:10.180 Well, when the Soviet Union collapsed, it was no longer possible for them to get these bonuses.

00:05:14.960 So they started reporting the temperature honestly.

00:05:17.180 So it appeared that the whole of the north of the Soviet Union and then Russia suddenly jumped up in temperature because there was no longer a financial incentive to say, oh, man, it's cold outside.

00:05:28.740 So there can be lots and lots of things that affect data.

00:05:31.640 And it's interesting because over the years, there have been various reports and studies done which say that if you see a sudden stepwise change of as great as it, well, they're saying anything greater than about 0.6 degrees.

00:05:44.740 But certainly if you see a sudden change in one year of a temperature that you're measuring, you know, especially across a big area like Canada, if you see that change by a whole degree, then you know there's something wrong.

00:05:57.260 OK, there's something wrong with the data, right?

00:06:00.380 But Environment Canada and actually what they call climate change in Environment Canada, they accepted that data.

00:06:06.960 They apparently didn't examine it very closely.

00:06:09.600 And suddenly the headlines are blaring.

00:06:12.520 Canada is warming at twice the rate of the rest of the world.

00:06:15.940 Well, as Dr. Hickey points out, if you take out that anomaly, that one degree sudden rise, almost all of the warming disappears.

00:06:23.940 And I have a look at the temperature for Ottawa, for example, and it's something like 1.8 degrees.

00:06:28.760 So suddenly it drops down to 0.8 degrees, you know, over a period of about seven decades in that neighborhood.

00:06:35.340 And so it's interesting because he actually found this back in 2021 when he was a data scientist for the Bank of Canada.

00:06:42.960 So it's wonderful that somebody within the government, in this case, the Bank of Canada, was actually checking the data.

00:06:50.760 OK, and he was and he wrote to Environment Canada and they sort of brushed it off.

00:06:55.520 They said, oh, well, we had a quick look at the metadata.

00:06:58.560 Metadata is the data before adjustment.

00:07:01.060 And we're convinced this is real.

00:07:03.380 This is a real temperature change, you know.

00:07:05.760 And but they said it's probably a real temperature change.

00:07:09.100 So here you have the scientist who was most responsible for, you know, putting together the data on which the government based billion dollar policy decisions.

00:07:20.800 And all she could say was, oh, it's probably real temperature change.

00:07:25.880 So, you know, it's very fishy.

00:07:28.000 And there's another instance here I'll give in a second where this where another scientist, another economist, actually, at the Bank of Canada also found mistakes.

00:07:36.120 But, you know, Sheila, this is very reminiscent of other studies which have later proven to be false.

00:07:41.820 If the data and the methodology and the whole papers and everything that's published, if it supports the climate scare and it gives the government a bigger hammer to hit us with to say, oh, my God, Canada is warming at twice the rate of the rest of the world, then it doesn't seem like anybody really checks the data.

00:07:58.600 Right. And it's funny that you talked about the Soviet scientists or the Russian scientists who were making it colder for a financial incentive for themselves.

00:08:09.640 We actually have the opposite happening right now where they make the warming faster and, of course, thus more catastrophic.

00:08:17.520 Although don't ask me after a cold snap if I think warming is catastrophic and we're just coming out of one today.

00:08:25.180 Yeah. Oh, is that right?

00:08:26.460 Oh, it's been minus 30 for the last week.

00:08:29.360 But the opposite is true.

00:08:31.100 Now, as I alluded to the Green Slush Fund, a scandal here in Canada where liberal insiders were basically giving themselves money for their little green projects and one would leave the room to avoid a conflict of interest while everybody else voted on their little funding announcement.

00:08:50.140 And then that then somebody else would leave the room and then all their friends would vote.

00:08:54.560 So it was sort of, you know, a perpetual motion machine with other people's money.

00:09:00.420 And it's predicated on the fact that it is warming catastrophically and super, super fast.

00:09:05.320 And a lot of money dries up if we're not in Canada, according to former Environment Minister Catherine McKenna, warming at a rate faster than the rest of the world.

00:09:16.260 It's so funny. These people, no matter where they're from, their country is warming at a rate faster than the rest of the world.

00:09:22.880 If you look.

00:09:23.580 That's right. Yeah. How can you have it that everybody's warming it faster than the average rate?

00:09:27.880 I mean, it's ridiculous.

00:09:29.660 But, you know, he prepared a very nice graph or not a graph, but a figure of Canada.

00:09:34.940 And what he did is he and in fact, I sent it to you.

00:09:37.700 It actually shows where it's cooling over this period and where it's warming, you know.

00:09:43.460 And it's really quite interesting because if you actually look at the graph, you can see that by far the majority of places between 1998 and 2018.

00:09:52.260 OK, since the 1998 spike occurred.

00:09:55.440 But then since then, we find that it's been cooling.

00:09:58.560 So if you get rid of that spike, then you don't have any warming at all.

00:10:02.960 But the interesting thing here, Sheila, is that 49 records showed that it was warming across Canada.

00:10:09.340 A hundred records showed that it was cooling.

00:10:11.320 So, you know, if we get rid of that little jump, we find that as just like he said, there's essentially no warming in Canada.

00:10:20.580 And I'll just tell you what the other data scientists found.

00:10:23.660 Actually, it's an economist, I believe.

00:10:25.600 His name was Mr. McDonald Guimond.

00:10:29.280 OK, not related to Kibo, thank goodness.

00:10:31.560 But he found that the maximum temperature of the day for over 10,000 stations looking at daily temperatures, T max, T min and average, he found that the minimum was higher than the maximum for over 10,000 different instances of daily temperatures.

00:10:50.460 And I just got to read you one quote here from Dr. Hickey, one quote from Dr. Hickey's article here.

00:10:56.820 He said the average difference.

00:10:58.920 In other words, this is the amount that the minimum temperature was above the maximum temperature was 1.21 degrees.

00:11:07.140 That's huge.

00:11:08.620 And the maximum instance.

00:11:10.000 And this is hilarious.

00:11:10.860 You'd think that they'd have seen this.

00:11:12.640 It was the Cape, Cape Dorset in Nunavut temperature, February 25th.

00:11:18.640 The minimum temperature was 30 degrees, 30 degrees higher than the maximum.

00:11:25.320 And so when this data scientist wrote to actually, I think he was an economist.

00:11:30.460 Let me double check here.

00:11:31.880 But anyway, he worked for the Bank of Canada.

00:11:34.000 And what he did is he actually he said it to them and said, holy smokes, some of your data looks pretty screwy.

00:11:40.620 And this is the answer he got.

00:11:42.340 We, in other words, Environment and Climate Change Canada, were quite surprised by the frequency of the issue you reported and have taken some time to go through the data carefully.

00:11:53.400 You think, well, what the heck?

00:11:55.380 I mean, why aren't they going through the data carefully before they before they release it and get, you know, all these multi-billion dollar policies based on it?

00:12:03.640 And, you know, now they've had the time to go through it.

00:12:06.460 They're surprised.

00:12:07.660 Well, that's hardly, you know, very consoling.

00:12:11.220 I mean, the bottom line is they shouldn't be surprised by their own data.

00:12:15.260 So it turns out Environment and Climate Change Canada have not yet answered because the Hickey put out this report just, as I say, just before Christmas.

00:12:23.000 He's now publicizing and he didn't access the information so he could do it legitimately.

00:12:28.960 He shows his questions to Environment Canada and it shows their answers.

00:12:33.120 Oh, well, we're surprised by this.

00:12:35.260 You know, and it shows the other answers, you know, to this other fellow, McDonald's, Kimong.

00:12:39.300 And it really shows that they're highly biased to accept data if it supports the climate scare. 0.82

00:12:47.460 I mean, it's ridiculous.

00:12:48.520 There's other examples we can talk about, too, because it turns out we're paying for it as well. 0.77

00:12:52.960 Of course we are.

00:12:57.480 And this, I mean, maybe five years ago, do you remember the scandal of Environment and Climate Change Canada deleting like 100 years of weather data?

00:13:08.900 Because they don't want us to know that weather is cyclical, that is not cooking us alive as quickly as they promise us it will.

00:13:18.620 And as you say, there's a lot of money predicated on it.

00:13:21.020 Well, that's right.

00:13:22.020 And it's not just at the federal level.

00:13:23.720 I have in front of me the Ottawa Climate Change Master Plan, the city of Ottawa.

00:13:27.920 And it says point blank here.

00:13:29.680 It says in April 2019, Environment and Climate Change Canada released Canada's Changing Climate Report stating that Canada is warming at twice the rate of the rest of the world and that the warming will intensify, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:13:41.720 And the city of Toronto has the same thing.

00:13:44.040 And, of course, the federal government, I mean, Environment and Climate Change Canada, is doing the same thing.

00:13:48.580 So, you know, it turns out and it's going to be very interesting to see Environment Canada's answer to this because it makes them look like they're pushing their thumb on the scale, you know.

00:13:59.500 And when the data, you know, doesn't or when it does give results they like, nobody checks it until somebody holds them to account.

00:14:06.060 So the point that Dr. Hickey makes, and as I say, we're going to be interviewing him, it'll be broadcast 7 p.m. this Saturday and Sunday night on the AmericaOutloud.news network.

00:14:17.400 So if people go there, AmericaOutloud.news, you can hear from the author.

00:14:21.160 And so it's really great, Sheila, that he left the Bank of Canada because he can now tell us all, you know.

00:14:26.880 So he gave us a really great Christmas present.

00:14:29.680 I got to tell you, though, about another study, too, which is also costing us money.

00:14:34.860 And that is what's called the Potsdam Institute study.

00:14:38.700 And this one similarly gave us incredible results that were just accepted.

00:14:45.140 Can we talk about that as well?

00:14:47.180 Sure.

00:14:47.520 I've got all the time in the world.

00:14:48.900 OK, well, Potsdam is in Germany, of course, and they found that the change in GDP for the world by the year 2100 because of temperature change from climate change was forecast to be 62 percent.

00:15:04.220 There was going to be a 62 percent change in, you know, drop in GDP because of temperature.

00:15:10.000 Now, that was.

00:15:10.840 Yeah, that was triple previous estimates.

00:15:14.320 And, you know, nobody particularly bothered to look at it.

00:15:17.060 And so a group called the Network for Greening the Financial System.

00:15:21.880 OK.

00:15:22.040 Oh, my God.

00:15:22.620 Sounds like a Mark Kearney racket.

00:15:25.180 Anyway, they took that study and they incorporated it into all of their climate scenarios.

00:15:30.940 Now, in Canada, we have different bodies, which are official government bodies, which actually tell the banks you must use the NGFS scenarios for your climate stress tests.

00:15:44.140 Now, banks do all kinds of stress tests.

00:15:45.960 You know, they they look at what happens if there's massive inflation or what happens.

00:15:49.900 And but they also do something since 2021.

00:15:52.120 They've been doing something called a climate stress test, which examines, OK, what's going to be the impact on the bank if we have a climate emergency?

00:16:01.400 You know, what's going to happen to the loans that are out there?

00:16:04.200 Will we be able to collect?

00:16:05.620 They also look at whether or not their different branches will be affected by, you know, massive extreme weather and blackouts and all sorts of things.

00:16:12.920 So that particular group, NGFS, they actually tell the banks, well, actually, it's the regulators that use the NGFS climate scenarios to tell the banks,

00:16:29.160 when you do a stress test, you must use this information from the NGFS and it turned out that the the this financial system actually used that one study.

00:16:41.360 They didn't take a whole lot of studies and take sort of an average.

00:16:44.500 They took that one study that showed 62 percent drop in GDP because of climate change.

00:16:51.480 OK, and so all across Canada, these poor banks were being forced to use this extreme scenario for determining, you know, all sorts of things like loan rates.

00:17:01.800 And here's what happened, Sheila, because they use this.

00:17:04.220 And by the way, it was triple the expected, you know, change in GDP because of other studies.

00:17:10.340 So banks were not loaning money as easily to fossil fuel companies.

00:17:16.060 OK, and when they did, they were charging higher interest rates and but they were preferentially giving money to so-called green energy because, my God, this change in GDP was going to be catastrophic.

00:17:27.960 So those climate stress tests were carried out over a period of about eight months.

00:17:32.660 So during that period last, let's see, in 2024, they were actually influencing the the loans of banks.

00:17:40.800 OK, and they thought the whole economy was going to be quite fragile.

00:17:44.800 But a little later, they started noticing some real problems with this.

00:17:48.820 First of all, a bit of a red flag went up because, as I say, it turned out that their estimate of change in GDP was triple the other estimates.

00:17:57.300 And they had only used that one study, just one study on which they based all of the bank climate stress tests across Canada.

00:18:06.080 And so they started looking at it and it turned out there was some data in there that was completely wild.

00:18:12.480 It was totally wild.

00:18:13.680 It showed that the impact on GDP of relatively small temperature changes was huge for one country in particular.

00:18:21.340 And you'll laugh to hear it.

00:18:22.760 It was Uzbekistan.

00:18:24.840 What?

00:18:25.140 Yeah, it turned out they found that Uzbekistan's GDP was going wild, crazy all over the place. 1.00

00:18:31.920 And they attributed that to climate change.

00:18:34.260 Now, you have to ask yourself, well, how could one small country influence the whole global average?

00:18:41.800 And I'll give you an example to illustrate how if data is really wild in one particular instance, you can actually affect the global average.

00:18:51.020 Let's say you were trying to encourage your family to go on a diet.

00:18:55.500 So you wanted to take the average weight of everybody in your family and you got 120 pounds, 160, 180, 200 and 850 pounds. 0.94

00:19:05.960 It's obviously ridiculous.

00:19:08.120 But if you average those five numbers and you don't take out the anomaly, the impossible 850 pounds, you get an average of something like 300 pounds.

00:19:18.360 So you can go to your family and you can say, hey, family, we've got an average weight here of 300 pounds.

00:19:25.000 We've got to start reducing our food consumption.

00:19:27.740 But of course, it's all driven by this one outlier, you know, and that's the point.

00:19:32.640 That's an illustration of how one piece of data that is miles off reality can affect the average.

00:19:40.140 And, you know, normally when they look at GDP changes because of climate change at a particular country, they also look at the nearby countries.

00:19:48.480 OK, and they determine if it's kind of consistent with the nearby countries, because, of course, the climate change would be similar for, you know, nearby countries.

00:19:57.420 Well, they didn't bother to do that.

00:19:59.020 They just took the Uzbekistan data and they stuffed it in their model and they got this massive 62 percent change in GDP because of global warming.

00:20:08.140 And of course, it was politically correct because, wow, they can now push the banks to do even more extreme climate scenarios in their stress testing.

00:20:17.060 But then they realized, oh, there's a mistake here.

00:20:21.620 And so by the end of last year, they actually withdrew the paper completely.

00:20:26.280 OK, but in the meantime, the banks were being told they had to increase lending rates.

00:20:32.040 Essentially, they were being told it indirectly that they had to increase lending rates to fossil fuel companies and give really preferential terms to, you know, green energy, which isn't really green.

00:20:42.160 Because this huge GDP change was occurring or going to occur because of climate change.

00:20:47.460 So, you know, once again, Sheila, this is another great example of how if you produce data that supports the narrative, it can easily slip through and be used to impose really serious consequences.

00:21:01.300 I mean, Canada, Canada, for example, has spent two hundred billion dollars since 20 since Trudeau came in in 2015 on climate change.

00:21:11.060 So I'm sure they were thrilled to see that in the case of the first study, we're warming at twice the rate of the world.

00:21:17.240 Well, it turns out that may be totally bogus and we still haven't heard back from Environment Canada as to what they're going to do now.

00:21:23.000 Are they going to announce, oh, actually, we're almost not warming at all?

00:21:26.940 Yeah. I mean, Canadians, do you feel warmer?

00:21:33.440 Do you feel like you're warming faster than the rest of the face of the earth?

00:21:38.120 Yeah. When you were talking there, I Googled the population of Uzbekistan and it is roughly the same size as Canada, about 38 million.

00:21:48.780 But that can show you how a country as inconsequentially population sized as Canada or Uzbekistan can be used to be the cudgel by which this climate change nonsense is just completely rammed down the throats of the entire world. 0.95

00:22:09.800 Yeah, exactly. And in the case of the first study, Canada is a huge area.

00:22:15.220 So if we're wrong and most of the warming that supposedly occurred in Canada is not real.

00:22:21.220 I mean, it's an artifact. It's because of the data collection methods or whatever.

00:22:25.260 That affects the global supposed warming as well. I haven't seen the calculation for that, but I wouldn't be surprised if we're finding now that the actual 1.2 degree warming since 1880, perhaps it's only 0.2 or I don't imagine the Canadian data would affect it that much.

00:22:41.860 But, you know, the point we have to understand, Sheila, is Canada is one of the most developed and advanced countries in the world.

00:22:49.740 OK. And yet we had this huge mistake that, as I say, Environment Canada hasn't officially commented on it.

00:22:55.940 So we don't know for sure that there isn't some sort of excuse.

00:22:59.700 You know, it'd be interesting to hear what their excuse is.

00:23:01.620 But if we made such a big mistake, a developed nation, imagine what, you know, Tanzania or Malaysia. 0.96

00:23:10.380 I mean, can we rely on their temperatures either?

00:23:12.720 I mean, maybe it hasn't warmed at all in the last half century.

00:23:15.880 Who knows? I mean, if Canada is that far off where most of our warming just disappears because of a data artifact, then maybe there's no global warming anywhere.

00:23:27.380 A lot of people are going to be out of work.

00:23:29.120 Yeah. $200 billion will buy you a lot of jobs. That's for sure.

00:23:33.700 That's for sure. That's for sure.

00:23:36.860 Hey, I know this isn't on our agenda of things to talk about, but I just I want to pick your brain a little bit about what's happening in Venezuela.

00:23:46.100 Because I think right now Trump has this incredible way of making people side with outlandish and evil things just to spite him.

00:23:57.920 I mean, it's really something to watch.

00:24:00.020 You know, he did it when he came out and advised pregnant mothers not to take Tylenol if they if they can avoid it.

00:24:07.900 And so I saw endless videos of women taking pregnant women, taking Tylenol, potentially damaging their children to spite Trump for some reason.

00:24:17.120 And now I see people side, people who have spoken out against Maduro siding with Maduro just to spite Trump.

00:24:26.760 Yeah, exactly.

00:24:28.020 And we know and we know a lot of, you know, a lot of the benefit to deposing Maduro will be opening up the Venezuelan oil fields.

00:24:40.180 But I can already see the environmentalist left saying, no, lock it in, leave communism and lock it in.

00:24:49.900 And I just wanted to pick your brain a little bit about what's happening in Venezuela.

00:24:53.140 Yeah, I noticed something kind of interesting.

00:24:56.400 Even CBC showed the reaction of Venezuelans, the average people.

00:25:01.020 And they were cheering.

00:25:02.100 They were really happy to get rid of this guy because, of course, he lost the previous election, but he refused to give up power.

00:25:08.580 So you had all these sort of average people who lived there.

00:25:11.800 Not all of them.

00:25:12.720 Of course, some of them were on the gravy train, I'm sure, with the current government or the previous government.

00:25:17.360 But you had the average people who were thrilled.

00:25:20.960 They were so happy to get rid of this guy.

00:25:22.960 But then all the political leaders around the world outside of the United States were saying, oh, my God, you know, this is awful.

00:25:29.360 Because, you know, you think, OK, so you're saying it's a good thing that Venezuela is being ruled by a dictator who wouldn't respect the results of the previous election?

00:25:39.260 You know, like, when was that a good thing to support?

00:25:42.840 But I think you're right.

00:25:43.780 I think a lot of people are against it, you know, certainly in the Western world and in the developed world and the politicians because Trump did it.

00:25:52.820 And, you know, this is the TDS.

00:25:54.740 They talk about Trump derangement syndrome.

00:25:56.700 I mean, Trump has been miraculous in the kinds of things he's done to help kill the climate scare.

00:26:02.840 Sure.

00:26:03.060 You know, and boosting American energy, making them more and more prosperous in that way.

00:26:07.820 So suddenly you find the left are, in particular, hating everything he's doing, even when he's doing great things.

00:26:13.680 And the point I make to people is I say, look, you may not like Trump's style, but to me, Trump is a bit like castor oil.

00:26:21.880 He doesn't taste good, but he's good for you.

00:26:24.240 OK, he's doing things that are actually good for the United States, good for the world in the case of the climate thing.

00:26:29.900 I mean, imagine he went to the United Nations and he's told the whole General Assembly, this is a this is a scam.

00:26:36.840 OK, this is a hoax.

00:26:38.420 And that liberates a lot more people who actually agree with him, but would never dare say it.

00:26:43.120 It liberates more and more people to say, yeah, I don't really think we want to spend in this case.

00:26:49.260 Here's here's the number.

00:26:50.240 You won't believe it.

00:26:50.860 I've given you numbers in the past, but this is the updated number for how much the climate policy initiative says is being spent across the world on climate finance.

00:26:59.640 OK, oh, God, save us.

00:27:02.060 It's five billion U.S. dollars a day.

00:27:05.860 Oh, my gosh.

00:27:07.440 Yeah. And so you have to say, oh, my goodness.

00:27:09.680 Besides not taxing us so much in the first place, think what you could do with five billion U.S. dollars a day to help build hospitals in the developing world or any number of things.

00:27:20.580 You know, we would have the best roads, the best hospitals everywhere.

00:27:24.620 So, I mean, the consequences of what Trump has done are very, very good.

00:27:30.880 OK, because countries are now backing off, not Canada, unfortunately, but eventually Canada will sort of have to follow.

00:27:38.720 They keep saying we're going to be a global energy superpower and lead the world on green energy.

00:27:43.440 But you say, but the world's not going more and more to green energy.

00:27:47.240 We're half snow covered half the year.

00:27:50.200 We're snow.

00:27:50.780 First of all, there are parts of this country that you can't even build a road in.

00:27:54.980 You think you're going to build a green energy project there. 0.99

00:27:56.920 You're crazy.

00:27:58.160 But the rest of the half of the year, we're covered in snow and have four hours of usable daylight. 0.66

00:28:02.960 And they're telling me we're going to be an energy superpower and just to ignore the coal, uranium and oil we have under our feet and natural gas.

00:28:11.400 Well, you know, Sterling Burnett, Dr. Sterling Burnett, who works with the Heartland Institute, he said something really, really quite funny.

00:28:18.060 But at the same time, I think it was very revealing.

00:28:20.520 He said, you know, people are objecting.

00:28:22.860 Oh, my goodness.

00:28:23.540 China is going to take the lead on green energy if we don't invest in it heavily.

00:28:28.460 And Sterling said, well, let him take it.

00:28:31.240 I mean, it's useless.

00:28:32.680 It's not going to power industrial society.

00:28:35.460 So if they want to lead the world on something useless, hooray, let him take it.

00:28:39.700 And that's the same answer I say to Mr. Carney.

00:28:43.220 Prime Minister Carney seems to want us to lead the world in green energy.

00:28:47.320 Well, no.

00:28:48.460 Like, why the heck do we want to lead the world in something that will never power the world?

00:28:52.580 It will never do it.

00:28:54.060 And it costs us a bloody fortune.

00:28:55.780 If you actually look at countries that have gone hog wild on renewable energy, Denmark, for example,

00:29:00.820 you can walk from one side of Denmark to the other and never lose sight of one of these massive wind turbines taller than the peace tower in Ottawa.

00:29:11.740 And you look at these countries, you know, Germany, the Netherlands, their electricity rates are huge.

00:29:18.140 They're massively high because, of course, they've converted more and more to this supposed green energy.

00:29:23.600 And then they have their natural gas stations in the background backing it up for when it's not windy and it's not sunny.

00:29:30.580 And so those stations, instead of running at a consistent rate where they get high efficiency,

00:29:34.700 they're going up and down and up and down to compensate for the variation in wind and solar.

00:29:40.940 So, yeah, they're paying hugely more than the rest of the world because they've supposedly tried to lead the world on green energy.

00:29:48.000 So, yeah, let China take it if they want to. 1.00

00:29:50.800 And by the way, China boosts everything.

00:29:53.480 OK, I mean, it's a massive economy, of course.

00:29:56.180 They are now.

00:29:57.100 Yeah, they're building more wind and solar power than the rest of the world.

00:30:00.060 But they're also boosting coal.

00:30:02.080 And you'd laugh, Sheila.

00:30:03.800 What do you think they use as an energy source to make the so-called green energy?

00:30:08.580 It's always coal.

00:30:09.880 Yeah, exactly.

00:30:11.060 So you could have at the base of a wind turbine made with coal.

00:30:15.640 So you don't get away from coal anyway.

00:30:17.140 I mean, all you do is replace a good, solid coal-fired power plant with flimsy wind power made with coal.

00:30:25.500 Right.

00:30:25.900 And backed up by coal.

00:30:27.720 Yeah.

00:30:28.860 I just want to share some good news on the coal front.

00:30:31.940 I don't know if I told you last time I talked to you, but at the United Conservative Party annual general meeting at their convention last month,

00:30:41.040 the membership voted to bring back, I quote, clean burning Alberta coal as a means of electricity production.

00:30:51.140 And that has been my fantasy football political policy for a very long time.

00:30:56.480 When we have 800 years of some of the world's cleanest burning coal under our feet, yet experiencing rolling brownouts because we don't have enough capacity.

00:31:06.580 That's outrageous.

00:31:07.580 And I'm very excited that the membership of the UCP party have brought that back as a policy item.

00:31:16.640 And now it's for the party to implement and adopt.

00:31:19.480 And since the party holds government, I'm looking at you, Danielle Smith, do what the party members asked you.

00:31:26.080 Well, I hope so, because, you know, coal has gotten a bad name.

00:31:29.040 It really is a wonderful energy source.

00:31:31.980 I mean, the fact is you pile up coal at a coal station and you now have secure power for as long as that pile lasts, which is typically a year or so.

00:31:41.480 You know, you're not reliant on gas pipelines coming in and oil tankers and things.

00:31:45.660 You actually have, just like nuclear power, all of your power source on site for perhaps a whole year.

00:31:53.120 You know, a friend of mine was a director general in Egypt's energy ministry, and he went on a tour of Sweden and they took him to a coal-fired power plant, which was right beside a daycare.

00:32:06.580 And he said to them, what, you've got a coal-fired power plant?

00:32:09.720 And they said, yes, of course, it's clean coal.

00:32:12.180 It's very clean.

00:32:13.140 So, I mean, you can take out the pollutants easily from a coal station, real pollutants.

00:32:17.860 I'm not talking about CO2.

00:32:19.360 And, you know, there's one source of energy that people don't really know about, but they should.

00:32:24.040 It's called anthracite coal.

00:32:26.120 Now, anthracite coal is very hard.

00:32:28.320 It's very shiny.

00:32:29.080 And when you burn it, you get virtually no visible pollution at all.

00:32:33.200 Okay.

00:32:33.340 Unfortunately, we don't have that much anthracite coal anymore.

00:32:36.360 But it turns out that they're finding it in the Antarctic, okay, which would be wonderful if we can use it.

00:32:42.840 And I'll just give an example of how clean that particular coal is.

00:32:46.260 Near our home here in Ottawa, we have a children's fun park.

00:32:51.460 And they have a little train that goes around and they pull the children on this train, you know, really cool train.

00:32:58.700 And so I went to the engineer and I said, oh, what kind of energy source are you using?

00:33:02.680 Because I don't see any pollution at all.

00:33:05.000 And he said, oh, I'm using coal.

00:33:06.700 I said, what?

00:33:07.420 You're using coal?

00:33:08.380 He said, sure.

00:33:09.020 And he pulled out a piece of anthracite coal, which is very shiny, very hard coal.

00:33:12.760 He says, yeah, this produces practically no pollution.

00:33:16.180 Now, similarly with bituminous coal, which is not as high a grade, you can burn it in a way that doesn't cause really serious pollution.

00:33:24.320 You take out the socks and the nox and the particulates and lead and all that.

00:33:28.360 You can take it out.

00:33:29.320 So you can burn it very cleanly.

00:33:31.240 And just like you pointed out, we've got an incredible supply of coal that can burn and, you know, produce clean electricity for as long as you and me and our children are around.

00:33:41.880 So, I mean, of course we should use it.

00:33:45.480 It's crazy.

00:33:46.420 Yeah, I mean, I used to, back when Alberta had coal-fired electricity, you used to be, and you still can look at the weather stations near the coal sites.

00:33:57.080 But I would routinely check at Wabaman, that's the Genesee power station in Hanna, Alberta.

00:34:05.040 They had a coal-fired station there.

00:34:06.700 By the way, beautiful resort lakes right there because they use the lakes as cooling.

00:34:11.860 And so there's plenty of fish there and nice beaches.

00:34:14.260 It was sort of a symbiotic relationship between these little resort communities and the coal-fired electricity station.

00:34:20.580 But you could routinely check the air quality there on the air quality monitors.

00:34:24.380 And they were always, always consistently better than, I don't know, the places that block our oil and gas, like Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal.

00:34:36.820 Well, in Ottawa, or actually, excuse me, in Ontario, back around the early 2000s, we were getting about 25% of our power from coal.

00:34:48.260 And consequently, our electricity rates were very low.

00:34:51.900 And Dalton McGinty called a press conference and he had a big pile of coal on a table.

00:34:57.680 And he said, this is old technology.

00:35:00.060 We're going to get rid of it. 1.00

00:35:01.280 Well, of course, that's a stupid statement because it's not technology. 0.99

00:35:04.460 Technology is how you burn it. 1.00

00:35:06.100 It's just a resource.

00:35:08.380 And so they did.

00:35:09.180 They got rid of coal and now it's zero.

00:35:11.320 Okay.

00:35:11.600 We don't get any of our electricity from coal.

00:35:14.140 And our rates, well, it tripled in time.

00:35:17.120 It depends on the year.

00:35:18.380 But we had a tripling in electricity rates largely because we got rid of our cheapest form of power.

00:35:24.580 And so, of course, China and these other countries, they say, look, if we want to pull our people out of poverty, we have to expand coal use.

00:35:32.440 And they're doing that.

00:35:33.480 And I don't blame them because, of course, it's a great way to pull your people out of poverty.

00:35:37.900 Yeah, we didn't get off coal-fired electricity here in Alberta.

00:35:42.100 We just got off coal-fired electricity jobs.

00:35:44.600 Because every time we have a rolling brownout, we come hat in hand to our friends in Saskatchewan who are still using coal and they supply us with reliable electricity.

00:35:52.980 Or our friends in Wyoming and Montana who just fire up their generating stations, sell us some electricity at a premium because we're short.

00:36:02.260 We'll just pay whatever it costs.

00:36:04.180 And so we didn't get off coal electricity.

00:36:06.020 We just got off them jobs.

00:36:08.200 You got off your own coal, but then you imported power from other places that use coal.

00:36:13.100 Like, brilliant. 1.00

00:36:14.600 That's dumb. 0.96

00:36:16.740 Tom, before I let you go, because we've been going here for about 35 minutes, tell people how they can find the work that you do on behalf of hardworking Canadians who are sick of paying so much for the climate scare. 0.99

00:36:33.940 Yeah, for sure.

00:36:34.720 Well, first of all, our homepage is icsc-canada.com.

00:36:39.640 You can go there.

00:36:40.800 And if you want to donate, that's wonderful because we don't get any money from industry or government, unfortunately.

00:36:46.300 But the other place, of course, is America Out Loud News.

00:36:50.280 Sorry, AmericaOutloud.news.

00:36:52.080 That's what it is.

00:36:52.960 AmericaOutloud.news.

00:36:53.980 And a good sample will be our interview with Dr. Hickey, who wrote this paper.

00:36:58.500 Hey, that one degree temperature jump is not real.

00:37:01.420 He wrote that paper.

00:37:02.380 He's going to be our guest, actually, at 7 p.m. on Saturday and Sunday night.

00:37:06.640 And then it goes to podcast on Monday, you know, as a permanent thing.

00:37:10.000 But, yeah, that's where people can check us out.

00:37:12.900 Don't you have another podcast?

00:37:15.360 We used to.

00:37:16.180 We haven't been doing it recently because we're focusing on the AmericaOutloud.news one since we get about 50,000 listeners per show.

00:37:24.460 Yeah, that's really fun.

00:37:25.780 So we've been bringing on all kinds of really cool people into that show.

00:37:30.160 And America Out Loud News, I really say to people, if you have some time to kill, go there and scroll around because it's got lots of good stuff.

00:37:38.080 It's very much like Rebel News, but in a print format primarily.

00:37:42.340 And, of course, the shows as well.

00:37:44.460 Yeah, they've got something for everybody there.

00:37:46.180 Whatever your issue is with tyranny, government overreach, control, free speech, they've got it there for you.

00:37:52.900 You'll find something and you will learn something.

00:37:55.360 Tom, thanks so much for coming on the show.

00:37:57.300 Thanks so much for keeping a careful eye on the climate scare.

00:38:00.180 And hopefully, Donald Trump, maybe he'll black bag the climate scare like he black bagged Maduro.

00:38:09.080 Right.

00:38:09.660 Well, I mean, he's, as I say, he's like castor oil, whether you don't like what he does in verb, you know, how he expresses himself.

00:38:16.280 But you got to admit that he's doing good things for the U.S.

00:38:18.740 The last quarter, what was it, four and a half percent growth in GDP in the U.S.?

00:38:23.820 Yeah, and we had four and a half percent inflation.

00:38:26.180 You know, it's crazy.

00:38:29.880 Anyway, thank you.

00:38:30.660 Thank you, Sheila.

00:38:31.660 Thanks, Tom.

00:38:32.300 We'll talk real soon.

00:38:39.080 Now, I did an entire letters episode over the Christmas break because, well, you know, it's the end of the year.

00:38:46.420 I'll let you have your say.

00:38:47.340 But at the end of every show, I also turn the show over to you.

00:38:51.000 I read your viewer feedback.

00:38:52.080 If you want to send me an email about today's show with Tom Harris, you can send it to me at Sheila at rebelnews.com.

00:38:57.780 Put gun show letters in the subject line so I know why you're emailing me.

00:39:01.140 But I also read the comment section over on YouTube, over on Rumble, and not just on clips of the show, but on, you know, the other work that we're doing around here,

00:39:09.680 including my video on Chrystia Freeland deserving to be fired for taking a job as an economics advisor to a foreign government,

00:39:24.560 which appears to be the single largest recipient of Canadian foreign aid.

00:39:27.600 That's right, Ukraine.

00:39:29.060 So, I did a video on it, and if you would like to throw your name on the list of Canadians demanding Chrystia Freeland to resign now from her seat in the Canadian Parliament, 0.99

00:39:40.240 although she says she's going to do it in the coming weeks, whatever that means.

00:39:43.560 But also, she should be taking the five-year cooling-off period before she starts lobbying on behalf of a foreign government. 0.96

00:39:50.760 You can go to firefreeland.com to do that.

00:39:55.080 Now, I thought I would take a looky-loo at your viewer feedback on that video.

00:40:02.100 Leon Swallow6094 says,

00:40:06.220 The woman left Canada $63 billion in debt.

00:40:09.720 Yeah, best of luck to Ukraine.

00:40:12.640 Although, I think Ukraine doesn't have to concern itself too much with balancing its budget,

00:40:16.860 since it gets all that money with no strings attached from Western governments,

00:40:23.180 to just do whatever it wants with.

00:40:27.480 William Murphy VU8RK says,

00:40:32.200 As a Canadian, I'm tired of politicians having alliances or loyalties to other countries or groups in other countries.

00:40:37.340 This needs to be addressed and stopped.

00:40:40.060 It was addressed in ethics laws,

00:40:43.340 but, as you know, with the Liberals, they just don't believe these ethics laws apply to them.

00:40:48.880 And, it's bizarre, but here I am,

00:40:53.080 defending the Liberal voters in Freeland's riding,

00:40:56.060 who actually, for some reason, keep sending her back to the House of Commons,

00:40:59.860 but those people deserve an MP that works for them.

00:41:02.580 And Freeland does not.

00:41:03.660 And she said,

00:41:04.680 Oh, I'm not taking any money from Ukraine.

00:41:07.540 I don't care, actually.

00:41:09.060 I don't care if you're taking money from them,

00:41:11.020 if you're doing this on a voluntary basis.

00:41:14.500 That's not the point.

00:41:16.600 You're not supposed to work for a foreign government 1.00

00:41:19.320 while sitting in the House of Commons.

00:41:22.280 If we were a real grown-up country, she might go to jail for that. 1.00

00:41:26.140 But we're not, as you know.

00:41:27.400 Michael Staschek, 9495, says,

00:41:33.360 Freeloader is just following the money flowing out of Canada.

00:41:36.120 Now, she says she's not making any money, extra money, doing this,

00:41:39.880 but she's still also pulling her MP salary. 0.99

00:41:43.620 And, if you're not working for Canadians,

00:41:45.900 you're stealing that money, sister. 0.98

00:41:49.140 Steve Horner, 9004, says,

00:41:51.920 Yeah, we're headed into the World Economic Forum in Davos

00:41:59.460 at the end of the month.

00:42:00.440 And, from what I understand,

00:42:01.620 Mark Carney will be speaking there

00:42:02.880 because he just can't quit the WEF.

00:42:06.880 And neither can Freeland.

00:42:11.200 Arthur Kazin says,

00:42:13.520 Freeland is just another piece of the Canadian corruption puzzle.

00:42:16.300 Yeah, I mean,

00:42:17.820 need we look any further than what didn't happen

00:42:21.320 with the Green Slush Fund

00:42:22.420 in that the corruption definitely happened.

00:42:25.260 A bunch of liberal insiders were voting themselves

00:42:27.900 and their friends your money for their green schemes.

00:42:31.660 And, in a normal country,

00:42:33.060 those people would have went to jail.

00:42:34.280 In fact, in the United States,

00:42:35.640 they would have went to jail,

00:42:36.540 but this is Canada.

00:42:38.100 And,

00:42:39.360 they just get to take their several million dollars

00:42:42.800 and move on to the next thing.

00:42:46.280 It's crazy.

00:42:47.060 P.W.

00:42:52.080 3-5,

00:42:53.120 sorry,

00:42:53.680 3-8-5-8,

00:42:54.920 says,

00:42:55.460 The entire time she was in government,

00:42:56.920 she was openly working for the World Economic Forum.

00:42:59.280 Apparently,

00:42:59.660 that wasn't treason.

00:43:00.800 I'm not even saying this is treason,

00:43:02.320 but this is

00:43:02.860 a serious

00:43:04.220 ethics violation.

00:43:05.720 It's a violation of the current ethics rules.

00:43:08.840 And,

00:43:09.360 from what I understand,

00:43:11.020 according to my boss,

00:43:12.620 Ezra Levant,

00:43:13.160 he broke down the timeline,

00:43:14.220 Freeland told Mark Carney

00:43:16.860 before

00:43:18.180 Christmas Eve,

00:43:20.860 I guess,

00:43:21.500 that she would be taking this position

00:43:23.480 with the Ukrainians.

00:43:25.600 And then,

00:43:26.680 after that,

00:43:29.520 Mark Carney

00:43:30.240 met

00:43:31.100 with

00:43:31.860 Zelensky

00:43:32.780 and gave him

00:43:34.340 just a few billion dollars

00:43:36.240 more of our money.

00:43:39.360 That seems like an ethics violation too,

00:43:41.440 doesn't it?

00:43:41.820 And then she says,

00:43:43.780 I'm going to resign in the coming weeks.

00:43:45.000 What is the coming weeks?

00:43:46.840 What does that mean?

00:43:49.160 She should have

00:43:50.040 resigned

00:43:51.100 the day she considered

00:43:52.960 taking that position

00:43:53.940 and then

00:43:55.400 subjected herself

00:43:56.720 to an

00:43:57.340 appropriate cooling off period.

00:44:01.600 But she didn't.

00:44:02.460 Because the rules don't apply to the liberals.

00:44:06.220 And,

00:44:06.980 last one,

00:44:07.880 Katrina

00:44:08.340 Doyron

00:44:10.280 1075

00:44:12.600 says,

00:44:13.800 the Canadian government

00:44:14.520 hasn't worked for Canadian citizens

00:44:15.940 for many years.

00:44:17.000 Ain't that the truth?

00:44:18.020 How many of us

00:44:18.640 are even Canadian citizens

00:44:19.640 these days?

00:44:20.420 Everywhere you look,

00:44:21.240 it seems to be a temporary foreign worker

00:44:22.540 or a foreign student.

00:44:26.100 So,

00:44:26.680 you're probably right.

00:44:28.160 And the government

00:44:28.680 seems to be working pretty hard

00:44:29.740 for those people,

00:44:30.720 but not for the rest of us.

00:44:32.280 We work pretty hard

00:44:33.460 for the rest of them too,

00:44:35.920 oddly enough.

00:44:37.420 Well,

00:44:37.780 everybody,

00:44:38.120 that's the show for today.

00:44:38.820 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:44:40.060 I'll see everybody back here

00:44:41.000 in the same time,

00:44:41.680 in the same place,

00:44:42.880 next week.

00:44:43.800 And as always,

00:44:44.520 remember,

00:44:45.040 don't let the government

00:44:45.700 tell you that you've had

00:44:46.500 too much to think.

00:45:06.580 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:45:11.880 Thank you.

00:45:12.180 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - January 08, 2026

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ 'Experts' claim Canada is warming rapidly, but what if the data is faulty？

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