Rebel News Podcast - October 07, 2021


SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Exposing the myths of green wind energy


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Dutch filmmaker Marijn Pools joins me to talk about his new movie 'Headwinds' and why he thinks there are two sides to climate change. We also talk about why he chose to leave the corporate world of finance to pursue his passion for eco-activism.

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00:00:00.000 What happens when you try to get away from all the industrialization around you and just get
00:00:06.040 back to nature and then you find out that where you've escaped to has been industrialized 0.62
00:00:12.600 in the name of green energy? I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
00:00:30.000 Oh today friends I want to reintroduce you to someone who's been on the show before but
00:00:40.260 sadly not for a little while. His name is Marijn Pools. He's a Dutch filmmaker based in Germany
00:00:47.780 and he does a little bit of what we do here at Rebel News. He tells the other side of the story
00:00:54.900 and follows the facts wherever they lead him and what's interesting about Marijn is that he comes
00:01:00.500 from the liberal left but all he does is investigate what he's been told. He investigates the conventional
00:01:08.340 thinking about the left's golden calves of green energy, biofuels, wind turbines. He even made a
00:01:15.880 movie called Paradogma about what happens to you when you're on the left and you stray from their
00:01:24.380 orthodox thinking. But back to the movie that we're going to talk about today. It's called
00:01:29.400 Headwinds and Marijn made it in collaboration with Alexander Poole. The movie tells the story of
00:01:37.560 Alexander who himself was a green energy financier who saw problems with the industry. He was working so
00:01:46.360 hard to grow and so he wanted to get away from it. But he realized that even when he escaped
00:01:54.380 all the way to the wilds of Sweden, the destruction of green energy had followed him there. So joining me
00:02:02.740 tonight from, get this, his treehouse in Germany is my friend, Dutch filmmaker, Marijn Pools.
00:02:10.120 Thank you so much for being on the show. It's been a long time since I talked to you. But you're back
00:02:23.980 and you're back with a new movie. But you might be because it's so long since I talked to you and
00:02:29.680 that's my fault. Why don't you give people a brief introduction to yourself because you are a very
00:02:37.940 experienced filmmaker. This is definitely not your first documentary. It's not your first documentary
00:02:43.520 sort of on the topic of how there are two sides to combating climate change. But let's go back a
00:02:49.700 little and tell everybody sort of where you come from. Yeah. Well, I'm an independent documentary
00:02:56.760 maker. I started in 2008 covering stories in mainly in development countries. And I made over 50
00:03:06.420 documentaries in these countries for TV, for NGOs, for, you know, people in the developing world. And
00:03:13.740 after that, I stopped doing it because I was asking myself the question, you know, I can continue this
00:03:20.120 until I'm 65. But, you know, it doesn't help me any further. And I wanted to make a film which was
00:03:26.720 completely independent. So I financed it by myself. And I made a film about climate change,
00:03:31.780 not about climate change. It was about agricultures. But, you know, all these wind farms were popping up
00:03:38.000 at the meadows of the farmers. So I needed to ask questions about these wind farms. And then you
00:03:44.500 need to start questioning what is climate change. So you're, you know, you dig into the science and
00:03:51.140 and then, you know, quite an interesting story came out. The uncertainty is settled. And then,
00:03:56.620 you know, I sort of rolled out of the old system, I lost my network, because I made a film,
00:04:03.840 which was controversial, and you shouldn't be allowed to make controversial films.
00:04:08.880 So I was, you know, they made me everything you can imagine. And after that, I start,
00:04:15.820 you know, continuing this spirit of new stories of, you know, a there are two stories, why are we not
00:04:22.100 hearing them on the mainstream news, and I'm coming from the mainstream as well. So I asked that
00:04:26.220 question as a liberal guy, we just want to have a lot of perspectives to make up on my own mind.
00:04:32.980 And, you know, since then, I made four other documentaries, like a trilogy, the uncertainty
00:04:38.860 is settled about climate change, paradox, about, you know, the controversial debates we have. And,
00:04:44.320 and then I made the return to Eden about solutions. When we speak about, you know,
00:04:50.700 climatic instability, let's put it like that. And, you know, and I was on a on a search for a for
00:04:58.380 another story. And then I remember, it was one year ago, September. And I was 20 minutes ahead of the
00:05:07.280 premiere of return to Eden. And I got an email of Alexander Paul from Sweden. And I'm, I don't know
00:05:14.920 why. But, you know, I read the, I've read the first three sentences, and I just really called him. And,
00:05:22.480 you know, I made a story about it. So I did again. And Hedwind is the name. And it came out
00:05:30.300 one and a half week ago. And basically, it's a story about a former London banker, Alexander Paul
00:05:36.720 worked for, you know, the world's greenest bank, HSBC, he was idealistically driven,
00:05:44.000 he financed big wind farms and solar farms convinced he was sort of saving the planet. But he woke up to
00:05:50.760 the fact that today's green is actually pitch black, and a ego driven, corrupt and broken system. So he
00:05:57.840 gave up banking and moved with his family to a remote place, somewhere in the in the northern Sweden
00:06:03.780 forest. And his dream was to go back to nature, start an eco farm and put as, you know, much as
00:06:09.720 distance as he could between his family and the, the, as he said, the industry industrialization of
00:06:16.140 the nature. So until a wind park was planned at the gates of his paradise garden. So it's kind of an
00:06:23.000 ironic story, you see, and he now is challenging these wind farms at court, three of them, that these
00:06:30.600 turbines are not saving anything. And the construction companies are lying, cheating to the local
00:06:35.580 community that this wind farm park is boosting economy, you know, but none of the workers companies
00:06:42.240 are actually from Sweden, they're all from Norway, Britain, Germany. So it's not boosting anything. So even the
00:06:50.540 electricity produced of that wind park seems to go to a new Google data center in Finland, 1000 kilometers
00:06:57.600 away. And in this story, Alexander and I are sort of visiting stakeholders of wind farms and
00:07:05.620 asking questions.
00:07:09.840 You know, and for me as a rural person, as I was looking through the like, as I was watching your
00:07:15.180 documentary, looking at the imagery, it feels very familiar to me. I know you spent some time in
00:07:20.480 Calgary, I'm here in northern Alberta, and the landscape looks very familiar to me as I saw that. And I
00:07:26.960 thought, this is something that we as rural people all across, I guess the world, but particularly
00:07:33.200 the Western world, we sort of prickle against all the time where you have a lot of people living
00:07:39.160 downtown in urban centers, feeling bad about their lifestyle and their comfortable first world
00:07:45.340 lifestyles. They feel as though they're destroying the planet. So they want green energy. They just don't
00:07:53.360 understand what that means to the people who don't live in the city. And so to make a bunch of city
00:07:59.240 people feel better, people like me have to live with these ugly, destructive wind turbines. And as is
00:08:07.480 pointed out in your documentary, the footprint of a wind farm, per the electricity or amount of energy
00:08:14.800 produced is so much greater than a well done compact fossil fuel project that in the end would be a lot
00:08:23.320 cleaner. Because one of the things that I really enjoyed that you pointed out is the sort of supply
00:08:28.020 chain attached to a wind turbine, you go through not only where, you know, the companies involved in
00:08:36.460 building them and where the electricity goes. So these poor people in Sweden have to have these ugly wind 1.00
00:08:42.360 turbines so that the energy can get sold to Finland, so that Google can meet its green energy targets
00:08:49.260 for a data center. And I think that's, that's a point we'll get to in a second. But you also go
00:08:56.000 through how this is sort of the supply chain of a wind turbine is an attack on human rights as well,
00:09:03.940 from China, to the Congo, to the cobalt mines. It's not just a human rights issue for the people who have
00:09:11.180 to live underneath these things, but it's also a human rights crisis, you know, just in the creation
00:09:16.800 of them. Yeah, absolutely. You're right. And that's my worry as a, you know, left liberal. I'm, I'm, I
00:09:23.940 documented so many conflict areas in, in, in, in the development world. And what you see is a lot of
00:09:31.760 conflicts are based on, upon oil, you know, the distribution of oil, the prices of oil. So this is a
00:09:37.460 conflict, right? And, and we, we are starting to manage it better and better. On top of that, you
00:09:45.300 know, we should not be in the illusion that we will get rid of oil, because we need oil for centuries to
00:09:51.800 come in a lot of products. So that these conflicts, these complex conflicts stay. But now, on top of
00:10:01.740 that, we create new kind of conflicts, which are the mineral conflicts, you know, we got the cobalt of
00:10:08.320 70% of the world's supply of cobalt, cobalt is, you can find them in the Democratic Republic of the
00:10:14.380 Congo, you know, and that's that African country where there is a bloody conflict for generations.
00:10:20.280 So we are continuing to doing that. When you talk about the minerals, the rare earth minerals,
00:10:25.400 over 70% coming from China, with a lot of damage to the environment, social impact, it's poisoning the, 1.00
00:10:34.360 the, the regions of, you know, refinement of the minerals. So we are creating double trouble by
00:10:43.340 embracing that whole new renewable energy project, which is absolutely not benefiting climate
00:10:52.540 whatsoever. It's, it's only, you know, it's only creating more energy and more conflicts.
00:11:02.380 And, um, so, so all the conflicts are getting more, much and more complex to solve. Um, and we had good
00:11:12.340 systems, we had a very good infrastructure and oil and these kinds of, you know, reliable
00:11:17.580 on-demand sources of energy, you know, and I think when you want to flourish humanity,
00:11:24.380 you should give them cheap, reliable on-demand energy, which was oil and coal. And of course there
00:11:32.520 are problems, uh, challenges attached to oil and coal, but it still is the most safest and
00:11:42.120 environmental friendly form of energy. You know, you should not drink a barrel of oil. You know,
00:11:47.720 that's not what we should do with oil. Then, then oil becomes bad, but when we treat it well
00:11:54.440 and well managed, um, then, you know, the, we have more time to figure out better ways of get rid of oil.
00:12:04.080 I think that's the, the whole panic situations makes a lot of complex conflicts, which we don't
00:12:11.380 think about because we're in panic, right? It's crisis and we should, uh, we should, um, do it as
00:12:18.400 fast as possible. It's five past 12, what they say, but that the problem I have with, with, with these
00:12:26.520 kind of, uh, politics that it's a crisis and we should solve it today is first of all, when you
00:12:33.820 call it the crisis, uh, and governments call us a crisis, then you take away the whole democratic
00:12:41.360 fundament of society, because in a crisis, you don't, you don't want to have a debate, right? When
00:12:47.660 you, when your village is on fire, that's a crisis and you don't want to debate within two weeks. What
00:12:54.120 are we going to do with that burning village? No, it should be, it should be done today. So, you know,
00:12:59.720 the crisis management will, um, will take care of that. So there is no democracy at that point and,
00:13:07.160 and has a, has a good right, but in terms of climate and renewables, you know, to, to call it a crisis,
00:13:16.840 you're sort of paralyzing humanity and paralyzing the democracy to have a rational debate,
00:13:24.120 uh, how are we going to fix it? And, um, you know, I think, I believe we're not in a crisis.
00:13:30.680 We are in a challenge, how we, you know, dealing with, with the planet and the climate and the
00:13:35.720 environment, uh, there are new techniques and we should develop them more and more. And by then we
00:13:42.760 should, you know, develop our old infrastructure as well, more and more, more efficient, more, uh,
00:13:51.000 climate neutral or friendly of environmental friendly. So I think that's the biggest problem
00:13:56.520 I have with, um, you disturbing a lot in society when you go to renewable energy and social impact,
00:14:05.160 human rights impact, but also just the common sense. Yeah. I mean, the governments and when they
00:14:14.760 call it a crisis and when little Greta Thunberg, who I think she graduated high school by now, 0.95
00:14:20.920 who knows when she says that, you know, the world is on fire, governments move from being
00:14:27.960 thoughtfully responsive to what they think is a challenge to reactive to a crisis. And I think that
00:14:35.400 it takes the people out of the whole equation, the people who these policies affect, we don't become a
00:14:41.560 consideration in it because as you say, they're trying to put out the fire in the burning village,
00:14:46.040 instead of building a fire break around the village so that the village can be a little more
00:14:51.240 resilient. Uh, there are some things actually that I wrote down as I was watching your documentary,
00:14:56.920 because I thought what, what, uh, it's something I had never thought of. And I sort of exist in this
00:15:03.640 world of being critical of climate change policies. And, and that is when your, um,
00:15:08.840 your co-filmmaker Alexander Pohl, he said, the climate is not alive. Nature is. And I thought,
00:15:17.800 yes, I have, I've never, I know that I intrinsically know that, but the other side of the argument,
00:15:24.040 they treat the climate as though it is this living, breathing organism that they can feed or starve
00:15:31.800 based on their lifestyle. And that's not, that's not how it should be. The trees are alive. The
00:15:38.280 people are alive. We're all part of the ecosystem, but they are sort of throwing out the alive things
00:15:44.760 to please this creature of climate.
00:15:47.240 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's being kept alive by a lot of factors, including humanity. Absolutely. And
00:15:56.120 climate is, so it's, he talked about the order of things, right? And, and we are, we are always
00:16:02.600 shouting that we are saving the climate, but that's, you know, it doesn't make sense. You know,
00:16:08.280 we should save nature. And when we act as humans, as proper as we can in nature, then climate will be
00:16:19.000 fine. You know, and this is the challenge. This is the top down thinking, right? And, and I don't
00:16:25.320 believe in top down thinking. I believe in you should, it should come from the bottom up. It should come
00:16:30.600 from within and all of these ingredients like from bottom up and from within are taken away by politics
00:16:39.160 because politics is responsible for it and they will lead humanity into the right direction. And
00:16:45.480 they're shutting down democracy because they are the crisis management. So you're, you're taking away
00:16:51.240 responsibility by people. And then you take away that, that living thing, which can feed climate in a
00:17:00.280 positive way or nature in a positive way. And, and it should come from, from the bottom up. It should,
00:17:08.600 you know, farmers should be responsible for taking care of their land proper, you know, and government
00:17:15.880 should support them. It should not be the other way around. Now it's the other way around.
00:17:20.280 Right. And it's not so, it's not complex. It's not, it's not difficult. You know, when you're,
00:17:25.960 I mean, over 60% of the arable land is degraded in the world, right? And this is the biggest problem
00:17:30.840 when we talk about climatic instability. When you, when you tell a farmer, you know, you know what,
00:17:36.440 this is the problem. Your land is not healthy. Let's put it this way. When we, we want to have
00:17:41.720 healthy land as government. So we will measure your land every half a year, the healthier your land,
00:17:48.600 the less tax you pay. And I bet you within two years, it's fine, you know, because farmers are
00:17:55.480 creative and they can do it, but they need to have responsibility because that responsibility of
00:18:02.200 down to the, down on the level, that's the living thing. The climate is not alive. And that's,
00:18:08.040 I guess, where Alexander was talking about that when we switch that and we give responsibility back to the
00:18:13.560 people and treat our nature as we should do as humans, then climate will be fine.
00:18:20.120 There was also a point at which in the movie, and I don't want to give away too much of the movie
00:18:23.640 because I want people to watch it and you really should. And there's so much in there that I don't
00:18:27.080 think I could ever give it all away anyway. But Alexander is talking to a lady who works in promoting
00:18:33.800 wind energy to the communities. And he basically says to her, does anybody double check to make sure all
00:18:40.120 the promises the wind companies are making happen for these communities? And she says no. So her job
00:18:47.400 is just to come in, make big promises to the communities and walk away. And whatever happens
00:18:53.960 to the communities where these horrible wind farms are put, well, that's on them, I guess.
00:18:59.400 Yeah, that's, unfortunately, there's a truth in all these top-down models,
00:19:03.880 which is not saying that these people are bad. You know, we don't have enemies, we have systems.
00:19:11.560 And we should not forget that, that we have no enemies. And, but what you say is correct. It's,
00:19:18.680 it's, you know, they're all part of a big puzzle, but they don't know how the puzzle should look.
00:19:25.160 And when the puzzle is finished, then they look at a psychedelic artwork of, of dozens of wind farms
00:19:32.520 standing there in our once beautiful landscapes, you know, but then it's too late. Right. And this
00:19:39.320 is the problem with all these NGOs. They're all doing fine. They're all fine people. They don't,
00:19:44.280 they're doing good work. You know, they're all there with heart and soul, but they don't see that
00:19:49.720 whole picture where they're in. So, and that's dangerous. So I think this, this was one of the
00:19:55.720 revealing part for me as well, that yeah, this could be a part of the problem that everybody is doing good.
00:20:02.680 But don't have a clue how that large, big, complete puzzle look likes.
00:20:09.160 Yeah. That was my takeaway is she's well-meaning. She's a true believer in the cause, but she's
00:20:16.040 just the, as long as she made sure that these, you know, communities had buy-in to the projects she
00:20:25.000 wanted them to have. That's really all that mattered because she felt altruistic. But
00:20:30.680 but then she moves on to the next community and the next community and the community that before
00:20:37.480 that deals with the fallout of the broken promises, the ruined landscape, the destructive,
00:20:44.360 the destructive nature of just putting up a wind turbine, the supply chain problems. I mean, just the idea
00:20:51.240 that there is so much of a tie to China. When we think about just the massive push for green energy
00:20:59.080 and wind turbines, and then China is really backstopping all of this with products.
00:21:05.320 It's really quite frightening knowing what we know now about, you know, how China operates in the
00:21:14.040 world, especially during the time of coronavirus. You think that we would sort of be detaching ourselves
00:21:19.720 from Chinese supply chains. And yet we're going all in as long as it means that we're saving the world
00:21:25.400 by getting the most expensive energy on the planet, by the way.
00:21:31.160 Yeah. I think the whole COVID situation learned us how close we are with China, close to China and where
00:21:37.480 it's heading to. So, but what I, you know, why I made this film is that we are, we are so much focused
00:21:45.720 on COVID and we should, right? We should defend our rights, defend our, uh, our own body, um,
00:21:52.040 responsibility of our body as well. But we should not forget that, you know, the whole
00:21:59.880 Corona situation could be a shadow for the bees to continue to build a new world. And the problem is
00:22:07.320 that once we wake up, because, you know, the whole Corona situation is sort of paralyzed, uh, humanity and,
00:22:15.720 um, the focus is only on COVID. But meanwhile, wind farms are popping up and it's business as usual,
00:22:24.440 you know, and once we wake up in that whole Corona dream, we're standing there in these once beautiful
00:22:33.640 landscapes filled with industrialization. And we didn't realize, you know, we realized what happened.
00:22:41.800 So that's the reason I made this film to stay tuned, stay, stay awake, stay awake, and, and don't let
00:22:49.480 yourself go down to the root of, you know, COVID is the only threat there is, there is, it could be used
00:22:56.600 as a, as a big misty fog to do business as usual. And we are asleep.
00:23:04.440 I think it's all part of the same problem. I think it is goes back to your, um, make everything
00:23:10.200 a crisis, take the democracy out of the equation theory that COVID is the current crisis. So instead
00:23:17.880 of considering people's human rights and civil liberties, let's just do things to them on the 0.90
00:23:23.160 pretense that we're going to save them from an impending doom that they aren't smart enough to realize is
00:23:28.040 right around the corner. And I think climate change was the same thing. There's a crisis.
00:23:33.160 The people aren't thinking our way and doing what we want them to do. So we'll do it for them. We'll
00:23:39.400 bring in a carbon tax that makes food more expensive. We'll start growing biofuels and
00:23:44.120 will incentivize farmers to grow them. So what if there's no food, local food production anymore?
00:23:49.720 We're saving the planet. People want green energy because fossil fuels, they tell us are,
00:23:54.680 are killing the planet. So we're going to put up wind turbines in their neighborhoods,
00:23:58.520 whether they like it or not. I think it's all part of the same thing. And when Corona resolves itself,
00:24:03.320 because people eventually will leave the doomsday cult, I think after 20 months of two weeks to
00:24:09.000 flatten the curve, some people are going to come to their senses and then there will be something else.
00:24:14.200 Maybe it's climate change again, maybe it'll be something else, but I think the natural inclination
00:24:19.400 of governments is to subvert democracy by using a crisis. And that's, I think the way it's always
00:24:25.720 been. You know, and this is, this is the thing, you know, the government is acting like crisis
00:24:31.000 management that they should do to sort of manage the mass, right? There should be some sort of
00:24:38.600 direction and a crisis can lead people to a direction very easy. That's, that's soft power
00:24:44.440 management, what they call in the cognitive science. And in my opinion, you know, climate
00:24:50.440 change was there. It's being instrumental, instrumentalized as a, as a, as a crisis to
00:24:56.040 use it to control people. It didn't work out. The Corona came up and they, they hijacked Corona,
00:25:04.840 the virus to say, well, this is a very good activator to, you know, to beat, to beat the plan. And, um,
00:25:13.960 once Corona will be gone, you're already noticing that Greta is already connecting these two dots 0.98
00:25:20.760 into each other, right? The Corona has to do with, with climate and climate with Corona.
00:25:26.120 Um, in Europe, we have, uh, the introduction of the green pass, which is the, you know, vaccination,
00:25:32.360 um, pass, you know, and, and nobody's asking, why is it called green pass? What, what does green
00:25:39.720 has to do with Corona? Well, it's not about Corona. You know, it's a, it's a very good activator to
00:25:46.920 introduce the, the, the, the pass to use it, not only for Corona, but everything will be on it,
00:25:53.960 your energy use. How much did you went to the toilet today, right? Oh, you're not able to flush
00:25:59.480 it because you already flushed it two times today. So this is the thing, right? So Corona is a very good
00:26:05.480 activator for the managers on top to, you know, steer us into the direction they want. So that's,
00:26:14.520 that's the thing why it's good to have these, have this sort of awakening that we are, um,
00:26:19.880 focusing on, on climate change as well, and not only on, on Corona. And it's part of the, you know,
00:26:25.720 the whole narrative, right? Yes. I believe in China, they call that a social credit system
00:26:30.280 and it's been around for a while. And so I do, I see the strong overlays. I see, you know, when
00:26:36.360 politicians are saying, Oh, Corona virus lockdowns were good, not because they slowed the spread of
00:26:43.320 Corona because I don't really think they did, but because look at the greenhouse gas emissions
00:26:49.560 went down because everyone was locked in their home and they see that as an opportunity forcibly
00:26:55.640 locking an innocent person in their home, as though they are on house arrest for them makes perfect
00:27:02.920 sense because they don't care about the person or nature. They only care about this greenhouse gas
00:27:09.240 target. And, uh, you can see the, the intersection of these two things coming together very quickly.
00:27:16.120 And I think a lot of the freedoms we've given away, we're going to have to fight to get them back
00:27:22.280 because they're not going to come back very easily again, because the government is in a constant state
00:27:27.320 of crisis management, as you point out. Absolutely. And that's what, you know, to be honest, I made this
00:27:33.000 film for free, you know, everybody can watch it. I'm 100% fan funded, so I don't need subsidized. I don't
00:27:39.720 need paywalls or ever. I made this film available for everybody. So now we have a tool, right? Now we
00:27:45.880 have a tool. People should please use the film to challenge project developers, investors, politicians,
00:27:52.040 and, and others by asking them to, to demonstrate, you know, how their project is different. People
00:27:58.200 should include local newspapers, radio station, and influence on their request. And I mean,
00:28:04.360 let's be honest, you know, true and integral media has left this planet a long time ago. So what are we
00:28:11.960 going to do about it? Well, we should take the power back and people can post a story on the social,
00:28:18.200 use this film as a tool, um, to, to, you know, combat the, the, um, this, this kind of management.
00:28:27.320 So I think this is the, the opportunity we have with, with a, in my opinion, a hero like Alexander
00:28:34.920 Paul fighting these wind parks, me with, you know, the, the passion of making a film about it,
00:28:41.160 you guys of, you know, pushing this story a little bit, you know, into the, into the public eye.
00:28:47.640 And then it's all about the democracy. Again, we given the tools to the democracy to flourish again,
00:28:54.840 and we have it, you know, so I think people underestimate the power of them, uh, of themselves,
00:28:59.800 but you know, one man can change the world. Really. You see it on how rebel media started.
00:29:05.000 You see how I, but I've been started. You see how Alexander Paul has been started all single
00:29:10.280 persons. And the, and the only thing we need to do is connect the dots and fight on a very
00:29:16.120 integer, peaceful, and smart way, just how they do it. And we have the tool now.
00:29:22.280 So it's, it's strange that just telling the truth now is an act of rebellion and bravery
00:29:28.040 against the powers that be. And, you know, that's what, one of the things I wanted to touch on before
00:29:32.840 I let you go. Um, one of, as you were sort of examining you and Alexander were examining
00:29:40.600 the money behind the wind farm that was going up in his neighborhood and how these things are really
00:29:48.120 designed to take a loss. Uh, and the electricity being generated wasn't for Sweden. Sweden doesn't 0.65
00:29:56.040 need it. Sweden has already, in fact, met its green energy targets because so much of their electricity
00:30:02.360 is actually green because it's hydro electricity. The electricity being generated in this wind farm
00:30:10.040 is being sold to Finland for Google for a massive data center for Google, which, uh,
00:30:19.960 you could argue controls a vast swath of the world. If you control the information,
00:30:25.960 you sort of control the people, you control how they interact and that's where this is going. So
00:30:31.400 when people think, well, I don't have a wind farm in my neighborhood, it doesn't affect me when it
00:30:35.720 affects how you consume data and the data that you can, that you're allowed to see, um, it does affect
00:30:44.120 you. And I think that's one of the reasons why Google, I would, I said, I suspect is censoring
00:30:52.200 people's ability to find your movie on YouTube. So please tell people how they can find it. And, uh,
00:31:00.120 more importantly, support the very important work that you do, because again, you are not
00:31:05.080 investor funded. You're not government funded. You are fan funded, crowd funded, just like we are here
00:31:12.360 at rebel news. And I think that's the most democratic way to do it because you know, instantly when you get
00:31:17.160 something wrong, the people let you know right away. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm walking
00:31:23.400 a very thin line, so I should be careful, but what you say is true, you know, and imagine the fact that
00:31:29.400 we're, when we talk about development counties, right, they could use a bit of electricity when we
00:31:34.920 really want to help the world to make this planet a little bit, a better place. We should not give that
00:31:43.000 electricity to Google. We should give it to Africa, you know, and people were very different 1.00
00:31:48.680 in reaction, I guess, when you say, you know, this is a big wind farm, but all the electricity is going
00:31:54.200 to Burundi, you know, because nobody has electricity there, but no, instead it's going to Google,
00:32:00.680 finance new electricity, new needs and addict us even more to, to mainstream social platforms.
00:32:07.800 Um, as a matter of fact, what you're talking about that, you know, we're being censored more
00:32:13.320 and more and more. So I think this is a very, uh, it's, it's, yeah, it's, it's a rape of nature.
00:32:20.840 It's a rape of humanity. It's, it's a rape of everything, actually, that whole renewable project.
00:32:27.640 So how do people support you? Because you are crowdfunded. Um, you're not taking any money from
00:32:32.840 anybody and you are actively, I suspect you're, I'm saying it, not you censored by Google,
00:32:38.200 because I deal with Google censorship every day. There's a list of things we can and can't say
00:32:42.760 about certain topics. Um, they, if you talk about climate change, you are not easily discoverable
00:32:49.880 in the algorithm. So how do people support Moran Pools and his work?
00:32:55.480 Well, mainly do you go to moranpools.com and there you find a support button and they
00:33:00.120 click around and they find their ways how to support me. Um, and that's it actually. I'm,
00:33:05.960 I'm, uh, yeah, what you said, I'm, I'm being censored and you feel it, uh, everywhere and you
00:33:11.160 see it actually as well. It's, it's quite open that you're being censored, but Hey, and on the other
00:33:16.280 side, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm still alive. I'm still there and I still continue. I will continue.
00:33:21.240 And, you know, the more people will fund me, the stronger I will be to, you know, beat the
00:33:27.240 censorship and find other ways to, um, to get the story out there.
00:33:33.400 And it's certainly it's a, it's a, well, it's a hard time. It's, it's, it's a, it's an interesting
00:33:40.040 time. I must say as an artist, you know, because I am an artist, um, it's a very interesting time
00:33:46.200 what's happening. And I'm very glad that I'm alive in this kind of era, um, to work with these topics,
00:33:53.400 um, and to find a way on a, a bit of a smart way, I hope to a non-violence way to break,
00:34:06.840 break that solids fundament of the old system and try to reinvent a kind of a new system.
00:34:15.880 Uh, and this is a kind of organic process, you know, so it's, and that's the most interesting
00:34:22.760 part that you work on the people that the feelings, the gut feelings there is, you try to dig in
00:34:27.720 stories, you reveal truth. And, you know, from there out, it's, it's only light what can shine,
00:34:37.000 you know, and, and, and I'm, I'm very hopeful that we will, because I don't believe that the
00:34:43.720 world has changed too much. You know, the world is the same as 200 years back. There were managers
00:34:50.040 as well. There were kings, brutal kings, but now it's become visible. And this is the most beautiful
00:34:56.360 thing. And that, that Corona had did that, right? Because when you meet someone on the street and you
00:35:02.360 give him a hand and he's, he's not taking your hand, you know, exactly. Okay. Right. It's quite
00:35:07.880 visible that, that parallel society, it was always be there, but now it's quite visible and you can
00:35:14.520 work on it. Um, so for me, that that's so hopeful that I'm being funded by people. I don't have an
00:35:22.280 agenda. The only agenda I have is to inform people in order that they could think for themselves. You
00:35:28.120 know, that's my agenda and people are supporting me. It's like, you know, you can go to a food,
00:35:34.120 a soccer match, right? And when you go to a soccer match in Europe, you pay 80, 90 euro to,
00:35:38.580 you know, be in a stadium. Um, when you're a poor guy, you will not allow to go into when you go to,
00:35:45.720 um, to, to, um, biking, right. Um, you can, you can be there as a homeless guy along the streets and
00:35:54.400 enjoy biking, seeing biking, right? So you don't have to pay, but other people pay for the event.
00:36:01.880 And that's the sort of system I'm in right now. So I'm doing it for everybody. And those who can
00:36:07.920 please support me and those who don't have any money, don't bother, just watch my movie. And you
00:36:14.480 know, there will be a time that you can fund me or, or not. It doesn't matter. And, and this is the,
00:36:19.920 this is such a strong system, which cannot die. Yeah. I mean, the people who, who can't,
00:36:29.160 who can't chip in, they chip in in their own way by taking the message and spreading the information,
00:36:34.740 um, when they take those arguments out into the world. And you are right. It is a, it's a strange
00:36:40.640 time to be in media or your case, uh, as a film creator, you do make some enemies when some of
00:36:50.400 them are powerful, you know? Um, but for every one enemy you make, I think you find two new allies.
00:36:57.160 I mean, look at you, you're from the left. We're not even supposed to be talking. And, uh, and we have
00:37:03.840 so many common interests and, and primarily the greatest interest is telling the truth and making
00:37:10.300 sure that people have the information they need to make decisions for themselves without the
00:37:15.800 government making those decisions for them. Yeah, that's absolutely right. And, you know, there is,
00:37:22.400 what I'm keep repeating is we don't have enemies. We have systems, right? And these systems are
00:37:28.240 creating enemies of us, out of us. You know, when you talk about the left and the right, you know,
00:37:33.120 I know where you, where you're going to, that's, you know, we're not supposed to talk to each other
00:37:38.040 because we should be, uh, you know, fighting against each other, but we should not trap in that,
00:37:44.200 in, in, in, in, in, in that hole, because we are so much the same actually. And we have the same
00:37:52.480 we all, you know, want to, want to leave this planet a bit, bit better as how we found it. Right.
00:37:58.940 That's our main common interest. And the roads are, might be different, but the horizon is the same
00:38:05.740 and we should not be played out by those people who want to play us out. And of course I have,
00:38:14.760 you know, people see me as enemy, but I don't have enemies. Um, these people who are saying that
00:38:20.880 they're my enemy, they're in a, in a wrong system, which I don't like, and I'm trying to break it,
00:38:26.160 but they are not enemies for me. So that's the way, how you can survive. And, um,
00:38:32.880 yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm very interesting, uh, how to see how this is developing. Um,
00:38:39.180 but you know, it's unstoppable. It truly is because it's powered by the people. Um, and if
00:38:46.960 anything, over the last 20 or so months of coronavirus, I think the old dynamics between
00:38:53.040 left and right have sort of fallen apart. And now it is people who want to be left alone and people
00:39:00.040 who won't leave them alone. I think that's where we're at now. Um, people who want to live their
00:39:05.260 lives, their own way, and people who want to control the other people who just want to be
00:39:09.760 left alone. I think that's the new political dynamic in the world right now. Um, right.
00:39:17.000 Moraine, I could talk to you all day. I know. Yes. We should be neighbors actually. I know. Well,
00:39:23.040 and it's funny because I see the, uh, the logs in the background and I think that is exactly like
00:39:28.780 my home. So it's funny how you can, um, find these, uh, allies with people who are on the other side
00:39:35.440 of the planet. Again, that was one of the takeaways from watching your movie is Northern Sweden
00:39:40.400 infected by those wind turbines. That could be my neighborhood. And I think a lot of people watching
00:39:46.200 your movie will feel the same way. Um, I hope that, and I will include a link to your movie in
00:39:53.820 the show notes today. Um, I want to thank you very much for coming on the show. I will not
00:39:58.620 leave it as long before we have you on the show again next time. And I'm sure, um, you'll,
00:40:04.760 you'll be working on something very important, very, very soon. Absolutely. Thank you so much. Uh,
00:40:09.780 Shaila.
00:40:23.820 You know, Moraine is so right, whether it's climate change or COVID, some people out there
00:40:37.520 are trying to control us by dividing us. They're telling us what to think, how to act and who we can
00:40:44.660 talk to because by keeping us apart, they keep us weaker and more easy to control. So don't listen to
00:40:51.920 the government, talk to your neighbors, talk to your friends, talk to your family and have
00:40:57.440 conversations. The government and these power brokers don't want you to have. Well, everybody,
00:41:03.760 that's the show for tonight. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody back here in the same
00:41:07.580 time in the same place next week. And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had
00:41:13.120 too much to think.
00:41:21.920 Thank you.