Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ How a 25-Year-Old Canadian Went from Being Anti-Israel to Wanting to Join the IDF

00:00:00.240 Investigating the ramifications of Trump having peace break out in the Middle East and Israel through the eyes of a newbie,

00:00:06.540 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:08.540 These last 10 days, Rebel News and some of our closest friends have been in Israel and Dubai investigating the consequences of Donald Trump negotiating the Abraham Accords,

00:00:35.560 a peace treaty between initially the UAE and Israel, but it's spreading across the land.

00:00:41.820 And I've been here with my friend, my colleague, my co-worker, my documentary filmmaking partner, Kian Simone, and I've been to Israel.

00:00:51.140 This is my third time. For you, it's your first time.

00:00:54.260 And it was like watching a baby discover new things.

00:00:58.220 And don't take that the wrong way about Israel, because I think you had you had a bit of the same experience I had.

00:01:07.400 You know, you come here and you realize the media lies.

00:01:10.080 They lie about everything. That's why we have job security.

00:01:12.800 But they I think a lot of the fake news that we deal with in the rest of the world was that template was sort of solidified in Israel. 0.89

00:01:22.820 Was it like that for you? Like, did the scales fall away from your eyes in some respect?

00:01:28.540 I wouldn't even call it the media in my case and most cases of people under 30.

00:01:34.440 It's really just like peer pressure.

00:01:36.640 Yeah.

00:01:36.900 Three years ago, not only was I pro-Palestine, but anti-Israel. 0.60

00:01:40.800 Yeah.

00:01:41.120 And I think that that's even further than than than most.

00:01:44.860 It's a cool it's cool to say free Palestine.

00:01:47.320 It's it's cool to say it and you don't understand what that really means.

00:01:52.200 And free them from what?

00:01:53.700 And yeah, like from what? Seriously, just just being there.

00:01:57.540 You know, it's upsetting.

00:01:59.040 Yeah.

00:01:59.240 Being inside of Bethlehem, like it's it's an upsetting place.

00:02:02.620 It's not a it's not nice anymore.

00:02:05.240 Right.

00:02:05.580 It's it's yeah, it's scary what what they made me think.

00:02:09.240 And I say they and that's really just my friends.

00:02:12.940 Yeah.

00:02:13.440 What they made me think about Israel.

00:02:15.700 Yeah.

00:02:16.420 You mentioned Bethlehem.

00:02:17.960 Now, many people might not know, but Bethlehem used to be a Christian town.

00:02:21.220 Now it's behind the security fence and it's a majority Muslim town.

00:02:28.280 The Church of the Nativity, the site of the birth of Christ, it's, you know, surrounded by mosques. 1.00

00:02:35.160 Um, but it's it's not nice behind the wall, is it?

00:02:41.320 It makes me sad.

00:02:42.540 No.

00:02:42.800 And you see, um, the graffiti like I, I like how they they allow graffiti everywhere because they think that in Israel, like that's a right. 0.85

00:02:51.420 It's your right to protest.

00:02:52.520 They'd rather you destroy something than be violent.

00:02:54.560 Right.

00:02:55.100 So they allow you to destroy things, but like, and it's, it's different in Israel.

00:02:58.980 Let's say you see, uh, uh, stop the bombs or stop bombing Gaza or like just kind of like the, what the lefties would write on something inside Bethlehem where Jesus was born.

00:03:10.060 And that's coming from a non-Christian like to have hit the Hitler everywhere on the, on all the walls. 0.99

00:03:17.560 Like that is just, it's freaky.

00:03:19.980 Yeah.

00:03:20.240 It's, it's scary.

00:03:21.480 Um, yeah.

00:03:23.380 Yeah, I know.

00:03:25.220 I know.

00:03:25.920 Um, another thing that you got to do was something that the first time I came to Israel, I couldn't really get my head around what I saw in the media about the so-called settlements.

00:03:40.060 That are according to the United Nations and the international community, whatever that is, calls them illegal.

00:03:46.360 But you go to these settlements and you're like, well, this is just a nice little town with the university and a hospital and schools and jobs.

00:03:53.260 And somebody somewhere far away has said, no, actually that's just a place where Jews can't live, which seems kind of anti-Semitic to me.

00:04:01.300 Yeah.

00:04:01.520 And like you said, it literally is just like a town.

00:04:03.680 Like if you had a told, which I, when you were doing an interview there, that was me learning for the first time that that was an illegal place.

00:04:10.360 Yeah.

00:04:10.540 Like that was just a town to me with a new mayor that we were going to get, like them were going to get, like it was just like a normal place.

00:04:17.840 Yeah.

00:04:18.040 Um, and it, it, it, it was really weird that when you were going into that settlement, you could, you couldn't as a Jew or as an Israeli turn right into a certain road, which was literally neighboring that settlement.

00:04:32.520 There's a big sign saying, it doesn't say no Jews, but it says no Israelis.

00:04:36.520 And it's the Israeli people who put it there because of your safety.

00:04:39.660 Like that's just, that's freak too.

00:04:41.240 Yeah.

00:04:42.060 Yeah.

00:04:42.400 And going back to Bethlehem, what, you know, like when the left calls Israel an apartheid state, I would tend to agree with them, but not in the way that they think.

00:04:52.000 Right.

00:04:52.340 Um, because the security fence is designed to allow people who living in the Palestinian controlled side into the Israeli controlled side, but it doesn't allow the Israelis, you know, behind the, the big security barrier.

00:05:07.240 Here, there are places where Israelis just can go. 0.94

00:05:10.600 You went to Bethlehem without me, but I've been there twice before.

00:05:13.680 Um, did we have to leave our Israeli tour guide behind and get a new one?

00:05:19.720 Um, no, he went, he, our tour guide was able to go because he had a very special permit.

00:05:24.580 Okay.

00:05:24.900 Um, and he kept emphasizing that he has a very special permit that allows him to go.

00:05:29.400 And like, I think that just that emphasis really just proved that point that, yeah, you are Israeli, you can't be there. 1.00

00:05:35.880 Yeah.

00:05:36.080 Um, and he was pointing out certain towns that, um, Israeli people just get killed in that he's, that he visits and he brings people to because he has that permanence.

00:05:45.380 It's shockingly scary.

00:05:47.040 Yeah.

00:05:47.120 Last time that we came, I think our tour guide didn't have that permit.

00:05:50.400 So we had to, at the security fence, get rid of him and then bring a Christian tour guide so that we could go to these Christian holy sites that are behind the wall. 0.89

00:05:59.160 Um, I did have a different tour guide, sorry.

00:06:01.200 We did have a different tour.

00:06:02.400 Like he wasn't able to be the guide.

00:06:03.940 He was just able to come and make sure that everybody was staying together and stuff like that.

00:06:08.460 But, so he wasn't able to do the work.

00:06:10.820 Yeah.

00:06:11.520 Now.

00:06:13.660 Yeah.

00:06:14.340 Okay.

00:06:14.880 Yeah.

00:06:15.120 That's, you know, um, Yankee Pollock behind the camera rightly points out and I wasn't there.

00:06:20.260 So I'll, I'll, I'll leave you to the, to explain this.

00:06:23.720 Avi Yamini, our colleague, who is an Israeli citizen because he served in the IDF and he has an Australian passport.

00:06:31.040 He couldn't go behind the security fence to Bethlehem.

00:06:34.300 I think what's, um, just as messed up as that is that he wouldn't want to go.

00:06:38.300 Yeah.

00:06:38.480 Cause it's literally you, your life that you're playing with just because of who you are walking around.

00:06:43.860 Like we, we, I, I live in Canada and we, I've been to every level of a protest or peaceful to not peaceful to violent.

00:06:51.620 Sure.

00:06:52.120 And like, I've been in places where people don't like each other in Canada.

00:06:56.040 And I think that that is bad.

00:06:57.520 And then I come here and I see that, like that it's weird when lefty say like, it's 2023, you shouldn't be like that anymore, but it's 2023.

00:07:05.980 You shouldn't be like that anymore.

00:07:07.280 Yeah.

00:07:07.820 Yeah.

00:07:08.140 And up on the temple Mount, like the holiest place in all of Judaism, we saw, um, religious and secular Jews requiring a police escort.

00:07:21.340 Now the police escort isn't necessarily because they might be attacked, but they could be.

00:07:25.400 The police escort is the Israeli government, making sure that they don't do something insightful on the temple Mount.

00:07:32.360 And the insightful thing they might do is pray.

00:07:35.360 And that's crazy.

00:07:36.480 That's the holiest place.

00:07:37.460 It's like preventing me as a Catholic from going to the Vatican to St.

00:07:40.860 Peter's.

00:07:41.780 Um, but Jews really, they, they're restricted up there.

00:07:45.480 And it's not even, again, it's not even, um, necessarily just religious up there.

00:07:50.740 Like you can't bring a flag, an Israeli flag.

00:07:53.080 Yeah.

00:07:53.660 You're in Israel.

00:07:54.860 Yeah.

00:07:55.100 You can't have a flag.

00:07:56.500 Avi has this Israeli tattoo and he has to cover up his tattoo.

00:07:59.960 Yeah.

00:08:00.200 Like you were, imagine being in Canada and there's a section in Calgary that you just can't have your flag.

00:08:05.880 Yeah.

00:08:06.480 It's nuts.

00:08:07.800 Yeah.

00:08:07.940 And it's, it's really, it's done by the Israeli government because they're doing their best to keep the peace with their Palestinian neighbors.

00:08:15.920 Now we're in the UAE and we've seen some amazing things.

00:08:20.200 Like today we went to the museum of the crossroads of civilization and it's a private collection where the man who runs it, very obviously a Muslim.

00:08:31.760 And he's collected all these things to, uh, I don't want to say honor the Holocaust because who would ever do that, but to respect, uh, the, the Jewish suffering of the Holocaust.

00:08:45.880 It's astounding to see that level of tolerance because, you know, we're told in the Muslim world that that's not a thing that it's just the Jews and the Muslims hate each other.

00:08:56.900 And the Christians are standing over there, not sure which side that they're supposed to, to pick, but that's, you know, there, there's really, um, tolerance for the Abrahamic family happening in the UAE.

00:09:09.600 And it's, I think Donald Trump is responsible for bringing this to, um, and the mainstream, I guess here.

00:09:17.400 And he really should have won the Nobel peace prize for it, but his politics were all wrong.

00:09:22.380 Um, and it's, it's interesting listening, uh, people talking about like going back to the seventies or even back to when the Holocaust happened.

00:09:30.460 Um, it, you kind of get in the media again, um, all of these Arab countries are quote unquote bad for.

00:09:36.720 Yeah.

00:09:36.960 There was always division and that wasn't the case.

00:09:39.200 Yeah.

00:09:39.380 No, it wasn't, especially here.

00:09:40.820 And even though there was no Abraham accords back on the Holocaust was happening, like they were the ones who were letting Jews in. 0.98

00:09:46.500 Yeah.

00:09:46.600 Um, and there was other Arab countries who were closer that were turning them away, knowing and wanting them to get, knowing and wanting them to get killed. 0.96

00:09:57.280 Yeah.

00:09:57.680 Um, and you know, that's like literally, I think it was in just off of Israel where they were trying to flee to.

00:10:04.460 And the Arabs were saying, no, you can't, can't come here when they knew what was happening, where they were coming from.

00:10:09.720 Um, and then here they say, yes, come in, please.

00:10:12.580 Like, well.

00:10:13.320 Yeah.

00:10:14.380 Yeah.

00:10:14.580 We, we read plenty of stories today about, um, Muslims who are considered righteous among the nations that they went to extraordinary measures to save Jews, including doctors in Berlin, um, Albania.

00:10:28.440 The only country in Europe whose, uh, Jewish population rose during world war two, because they rejected the idea that their Jews should be expelled.

00:10:38.960 They were inviting Jews.

00:10:40.120 They were saving Jews.

00:10:41.100 And that's a story that's never told because they don't want that story told.

00:10:44.960 They, the mainstream media and the people who divide us, because they do want to divide us.

00:10:49.500 They want us never talking to each other, thinking that we are, we'll never get along.

00:10:53.620 And there's, there's no way we can ever find a path forward.

00:10:57.180 And you're not told, you're not taught that in school.

00:10:58.880 Like you're not even taught them a Muslim aspect to the Holocaust at all.

00:11:03.700 Yeah.

00:11:03.940 Like not even, uh, in a good or bad way.

00:11:06.420 Like to me, when I'm growing up, I just think of, okay, happened in Europe.

00:11:09.840 Like I, I didn't even know, and this is going to shock you.

00:11:13.320 Like I didn't go to Sunday school or anything.

00:11:15.020 I didn't even know that Jews lived in the Middle East.

00:11:18.600 Like that's where did you think they were from?

00:11:20.920 Europe.

00:11:21.340 Like they were all, they were, they were in Germany, you know? 0.99

00:11:24.220 Yeah.

00:11:24.500 And then they weren't in Germany anymore.

00:11:25.900 They had to leave or, or they, the Holocaust. 0.87

00:11:28.280 Right.

00:11:28.820 Like I, I literally, I feel so stupid admitting that.

00:11:31.520 And I didn't want to, but I think that that's how much of an eyeopening that this was, that I, I didn't even know that.

00:11:37.800 Like I thought Israel, I got knew that they were here a long, long, long time ago.

00:11:41.600 Yeah.

00:11:41.840 But not always here.

00:11:43.140 Yeah.

00:11:43.620 That makes sense.

00:11:44.380 Sure.

00:11:45.700 A little embarrassing.

00:11:46.600 No.

00:11:46.780 No.

00:11:47.520 Like what's the number one thing like that, that surprised you about being either in Israel or the UAE?

00:11:56.160 That surprised me.

00:12:00.520 I don't know if it was like, uh, if it was necessarily a surprise.

00:12:04.480 I think it was more of a shock, like going to that Western wall and listening to the, um, commander, Danny, cheers.

00:12:11.020 And, uh, he was speaking about like what they had to do to combat what was happening on the other side of the wall.

00:12:16.360 Yeah.

00:12:16.640 Like on the Israeli side, they have to put bulletproof everything just because people get shot when they go to the kitchen for a drink at night. 0.97

00:12:23.240 Like from, just from like across the, like across the field, it's not your neighbors.

00:12:28.200 It's like a backyard really.

00:12:30.020 Um, like I, I think that that was really just like the eye opener of, wow, that person is 20 feet away and they want to kill you for just because of who you are.

00:12:38.760 And these, uh, the, the, the length of an, um, sort of the amount of money and, and effort that Israel had to put into that fence and into those walls.

00:12:48.240 Like it, it blew my mind how, and how scary it is to just live there.

00:12:54.620 Yeah.

00:12:55.320 It's still, I can't even put words to it.

00:12:57.300 It's, it's so close.

00:12:59.140 Like it's so close.

00:13:00.100 It is your neighbors shooting at you when you go to get something out of the fridge and then you build a fence to try to stop them.

00:13:08.760 You take all these extraordinary measures to make sure your, your fence is culturally sensitive, that you can catch the people before they try to climb the fence so that you don't have to shoot them.

00:13:18.620 And then the rest of the world says you have no right to protect yourself.

00:13:22.200 That's the part that blows my mind.

00:13:23.580 You know, I have one more thing that I think is the surprise.

00:13:26.680 Um, when we went to quote unquote Palestine and, and so Beth, like, I guess it was just off the Bethlehem.

00:13:32.380 You mean Judea and Samaria.

00:13:34.320 There we go.

00:13:35.480 Um, we, when we're going through, so like me looking back at, you see all of these companies, you know, whatever, Ben and Jerry's or you see all of these companies who are like, oh yeah, pro Palestine, free Palestine.

00:13:46.340 Yeah.

00:13:46.600 Yeah.

00:13:46.680 Screw Israel, blah, blah, blah. 0.98

00:13:47.640 There's no, uh, everything in that town is like a, is like going into a Knopf off mall.

00:13:55.700 I know.

00:13:56.080 Like there's no real store that stars and bucks coffee.

00:14:00.460 Yeah.

00:14:00.720 Starbucks coffee is like a anti whatever.

00:14:02.940 And they're like, yeah, we pre Palestine. 0.53

00:14:04.580 It's like, why don't you go there then?

00:14:05.880 Yeah.

00:14:06.380 Why aren't you there?

00:14:07.120 Yep.

00:14:07.540 Right.

00:14:08.040 It's that, I think that one was like the big, the only thing that I saw that was like on brand was Coca-Cola.

00:14:13.580 Yeah.

00:14:13.780 And they're just everywhere.

00:14:14.520 I don't even think that just let it, like, it's just, you know what I mean?

00:14:17.140 Like that's, that was what blew my mind.

00:14:19.000 I thought that they would have companies there.

00:14:21.660 Yeah.

00:14:22.120 Supporting them and helping them because that's what they say they do.

00:14:24.340 Yeah.

00:14:24.760 But they don't.

00:14:25.660 They just pull out of the region entirely or they pull out of Tel Aviv and they're like, look, we saved everybody.

00:14:32.800 Good job, Ben and Jerry's.

00:14:34.400 Kian, thanks so much for coming on the trip.

00:14:36.740 You've been working behind the camera, working really hard to document the trip.

00:14:39.660 I've been doing my best to take pictures of you to document your trip as you take pictures of everybody else.

00:14:45.120 But I'm just so glad that I got to watch you just learn everything for the first time because I remember that feeling.

00:14:53.120 I literally was thinking like I would join the IDF for a bit.

00:14:58.100 Like I would just, I think I would do that.

00:15:00.060 You'd do it for the chicks. 0.95

00:15:01.120 No, no, no.

00:15:02.460 I think I, like, I, I really noticed that not only is Israel like a good country, I think it's the most important country in the world.

00:15:11.900 I do.

00:15:12.400 And for stability.

00:15:13.840 Yeah.

00:15:14.000 It gets it.

00:15:14.860 And it's not even just for the Middle East.

00:15:16.780 Like Israel is the only line of defense of from China coming in. 0.51

00:15:20.900 Yeah.

00:15:21.120 Like, that's like, I don't think I understood how close that kind of stuff is.

00:15:25.960 Yeah.

00:15:26.160 Like I, I know that there was like terrorist cells all over the Middle East and Israel was kind of pushing them back and just really protecting themselves.

00:15:31.640 But they also have to be on, not really an offense, but like on guard for China coming into the Middle East. 0.88

00:15:36.660 Like they have to use the West. 0.85

00:15:39.260 I always see and I never understood.

00:15:40.940 Sorry, I'm going to quickly rant.

00:15:42.180 Yeah, please.

00:15:42.520 In America, like even people on the right are like, we need to, you know, pull our support from Israel. 0.87

00:15:47.920 We need to stop it.

00:15:48.580 It wasn't like an anti-Semitic thing.

00:15:49.940 It was just like when people talk about we need to just worry about our country and not other countries.

00:15:54.560 I think I've always kind of been like that too.

00:15:56.540 You too?

00:15:56.880 About we need to stop worrying about other countries and fix ourselves.

00:15:59.520 But like I would support money going to Israel to defend and to like push offense and democracy into the Middle East. 0.90

00:16:08.160 Like I, I would, my, it's where I would want my sacrifice money to go because we're fine.

00:16:11.820 Like I said, we have our problems in Canada.

00:16:13.980 But in comparison to what's going on, you're like, I want more stability.

00:16:17.420 I want more Israel, like being able to not expand into like taking things. 0.97

00:16:23.260 Right.

00:16:23.600 Which everybody says they do.

00:16:24.760 But like the ideology of what Israel stands for, because it's not just about Jews.

00:16:30.040 Yeah.

00:16:30.260 It's about freedom.

00:16:31.180 It's about freedom.

00:16:32.040 It's about capitalism too.

00:16:33.760 One of our speakers said that the way to good relations with Washington runs through Jerusalem.

00:16:39.740 And I think all these Arab countries that are now considering signing onto the Abraham Accords realize that.

00:16:45.860 And I think it was very savvy of Donald Trump to say, we need to build the strategic alliance with the United States and these peace loving Arab countries.

00:16:55.600 Otherwise, China and Russia are going to step up and fill the void. 0.64

00:16:58.480 I remember watching and seeing all of like the, I guess you call them the conspiracy theorists.

00:17:04.940 Whenever one of the, a leader of the free world or whenever someone would come in, they would always touch the Western wall.

00:17:11.180 Yeah.

00:17:11.340 And like the whole, like, oh, the Jews are controlling everything. 1.00

00:17:14.460 I always wondered, like, why do they do that?

00:17:17.220 Why do they touch that wall?

00:17:18.080 Like, isn't it just a religious thing?

00:17:19.420 If you're not Jewish, just why are you touching the wall? 0.95

00:17:21.860 That wall is the most important wall ever.

00:17:23.760 And like, I, I put the, yup, with the, the Jew cat, what's it called? 0.97

00:17:28.300 Kippah. 0.83

00:17:28.700 Kippah. 0.83

00:17:29.060 I put it on and I touched the wall.

00:17:30.860 Yeah.

00:17:31.080 And like two years ago, I was like, what are you doing?

00:17:33.160 Why would you do that?

00:17:34.100 Yeah.

00:17:34.480 Now it's so like, that's how far I've come.

00:17:36.680 We've come to the portion of the show where I invite your viewer feedback.

00:17:47.180 Unlike the mainstream media, I actually care about what you think about the work that we're doing here at Rebel News.

00:17:51.540 It's why I give out my email address right now.

00:17:54.040 It's Sheila at rebelnews.com.

00:17:56.020 But if you are watching us on one of the other platforms where you've sat through an ad and you're watching the free version of the show, leave a comment there as well.

00:18:04.220 Sometimes I go looking over there.

00:18:05.660 Now, this week's letter comes to us by way of Bruce Atchison.

00:18:10.680 He's a very regular viewer of the show, strong supporter of Rebel News.

00:18:14.900 We love Bruce at Rebel News and his cat.

00:18:18.200 And he sends a letter on last week's show.

00:18:21.080 Now last week's show, we filmed on the fly where we were at a Roman ruin, but I wanted to make sure I met my obligation to our subscribers.

00:18:28.020 So I grabbed David Menzies and had a quick chat.

00:18:30.880 And Bruce writes, hi, Sheila.

00:18:32.180 Thanks for doing your show, even though you had to shorten it.

00:18:34.240 I sure understand about tight schedules and slow Internet speeds.

00:18:38.100 Oh, boy.

00:18:39.180 How far will this trans insanity go? 1.00

00:18:41.980 Now, part of my interview with David was about his.

00:18:46.180 I don't want to say stunt.

00:18:47.700 It was a very important story that he did that was before its time when he dressed as a cat and entered himself into a cat show.

00:18:55.880 Anyways, Bruce writes, I predict that some people might identify as aliens.

00:18:59.680 They might justify murder as being a mere extermination since they consider humans to be lower forms of life.

00:19:06.640 Well, there are people who already consider that about the unborn.

00:19:10.900 Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

00:19:12.320 It's already come to that, Bruce.

00:19:13.820 I wanted to come on our trip to Israel, but I spent the money on a metal roof and metal cladding for the garage.

00:19:19.660 You know what?

00:19:20.440 Good.

00:19:20.760 Otherwise, I'd have found a foster for Delta.

00:19:24.040 That's Bruce's cat and joined you.

00:19:26.620 I also knew just inflation would make the job price soar into the stratosphere if I if I waited to get the renovation done.

00:19:34.620 Stay sane or die trying.

00:19:35.960 Bruce Atchison.

00:19:36.680 Well, Bruce, I'm glad that you made a good choice for your money.

00:19:40.480 I think working on your house is really important.

00:19:42.960 And yeah, Justin Trudeau is making the cost of everything just soar through the roof.

00:19:46.680 But the good news is maybe you could come on the Rebel Cruise at rebelnewscruise.com.

00:19:54.220 We haven't really announced it yet, but there are more opportunities to travel with us on these fact-finding missions going forward.

00:20:01.700 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:20:03.200 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:20:04.660 I am dripping with sweat.

00:20:06.960 It's 41 degrees here.

00:20:08.540 We'll see everybody back home next week.

00:20:11.880 And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:20:38.540 That's it.

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Rebel News Podcast - September 13, 2023

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ How a 25-Year-Old Canadian Went from Being Anti-Israel to Wanting to Join the IDF

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