Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Is the climate scare finally over？

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00:00:55.780 Is the climate scare over?

00:01:06.020 I think it is, and a brand new book gives you the arguments to make the case.

00:01:10.020 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:01:25.780 I think we might finally be clear of the last, I don't know, two decades of climate hysteria.

00:01:36.400 I mean, they can only go on with this nonsense for so long until you have enough time between now and when the hysteria started for you to realize that the world hasn't ended,

00:01:50.380 that we're not being boiled alive, that some sort of environmental cataclysm has not struck us while you do your best to live your life,

00:02:00.600 while Justin Trudeau makes everything more expensive because of the climate scare.

00:02:06.400 Now, let me tell you why I think the climate scare might actually be over.

00:02:09.640 Well, the election of President Trump in the United States, the appointment of Chris Wright, the CEO of Denver-based fracking company Liberty Energy,

00:02:22.100 as the secretary of the Department of Energy, the creation of the Council of National Energy,

00:02:28.880 which will promote energy security in the United States.

00:02:36.600 This new collaboration between Alberta and our partners in the United States circumventing Ottawa on energy security.

00:02:45.360 It's the dawn of a new age.

00:02:47.340 And I think if normal people just have a little bit of the right information, things they already know commonsensically,

00:03:01.140 but they just need the figures, the graphs to debunk the hysteria of the left, I think the bottom falls right out of this.

00:03:10.420 And that's why I'm so happy to welcome back a good friend of the show, my friend Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition Canada to tell us about the new book.

00:03:23.180 He has co-authored it, tell you how to get it.

00:03:25.580 And then we're going to discuss the lackluster, but also moderately interesting, latest United Nations Climate Change Conference that was held in a petro state.

00:03:36.080 I don't think these people are trying anymore. Anyway, here's the interview we recorded earlier. Take a listen.

00:03:45.080 Joining me now is a good friend of the show, good friend of Rebel News, Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition.

00:03:51.360 Tom, I got to tell you, you're my brother-in-law's, well, at least one of his favorite regular guests on the gun show.

00:03:57.080 And I wanted to have you on. I know it's been too long since I've had you on, but you have just released a new book.

00:04:05.200 And I think it's an easy read. It's an 88-page book published by Canadians for Sensible Climate Policy.

00:04:12.680 And it is Energy and Climate at a Glance, the Canadian edition.

00:04:18.080 Tell us why you published this book.

00:04:21.500 Yeah, for sure. Well, the Heartland Institute two years ago published Climate and Energy at a Glance for students and teachers.

00:04:29.400 And it's been very successful. Many, many people have used it.

00:04:33.660 And we thought, hey, you know, this would be great to have something like that for Canada.

00:04:38.380 So Canadians for Sensible Climate Policy, which people can check out at sensiblechange.ca.

00:04:43.560 They teamed up with Heartland, since Heartland had all the facilities for printing and everything else and the expertise to actually put it together properly.

00:04:51.980 And Sterling Burnett from Heartland Institute worked with John Zacharias to produce this.

00:04:57.320 And I'm a contributing author. It's just 88 pages.

00:05:01.020 And it goes through virtually everything you can imagine.

00:05:03.920 OK, it talks about what are Canada's targets?

00:05:07.480 What are the things that they want to do to actually achieve those targets?

00:05:11.380 How would we do it? It's not feasible, of course.

00:05:14.980 Then it talks about the impact of what would happen if we did it.

00:05:18.720 OK, the massive impact on the average person charging fifty five thousand dollars or more per house when you buy it because of all this climate stuff.

00:05:28.560 And then it gets into the science and it shows things like this climate related deaths.

00:05:34.380 OK, everybody says, oh, my God, there's this massive emergency, an existential threat around the world.

00:05:40.080 Right. But you look at the deaths and it's gone way, way down.

00:05:44.640 Now, part of it is because, you know, it's it's obvious that we have better remote sensing.

00:05:49.800 We can actually forecast when hurricanes are coming.

00:05:52.440 But it's also because extreme weather has not increased.

00:05:56.140 OK, if you look at the best database of its kind in the world, it's called the NOAA Extreme Weather Database for states.

00:06:03.760 It's weather records on a statewide basis.

00:06:06.740 And individual towns don't really matter so much because the bottom line is you're going to have an increase in temperature because of the city growing and you have the urban heat island.

00:06:15.440 But in the case of states, it's a bigger area. So it makes sense.

00:06:18.540 So they track maximum temperature, minimum temperature, most rain, most snow, biggest hailstone.

00:06:24.040 Colorado had a hailstone a half a half a foot in diameter, if you can imagine that.

00:06:28.360 And here's a question, a skill testing question.

00:06:30.540 I always ask my audiences. And again, this is the best database of its kind in the world.

00:06:35.500 OK, now it's not the whole world, but it is very much, you know, an American thing.

00:06:40.780 And it's interesting because in 1936, during the Dust Bowl, there were 27 extreme weather records set, 27, you know, highest temperature and all those other things.

00:06:51.860 And those records still stand today, if you can believe that.

00:06:55.920 So I ask my audience, and I did this just the other day when I was speaking to farmers, I say,

00:07:00.520 and how many extreme weather records do you think were set this year so far on a statewide basis in the United States?

00:07:09.000 None. Yeah, you're right.

00:07:10.460 So you win a book. You win a book.

00:07:13.260 So we decided that this had to be done.

00:07:16.100 Actually, Canadians for Sensible Climate Policy contacted me and asked me to help out, which I am.

00:07:21.520 And we're selling them now on our website for $22, you know, and you can actually, that includes tax and shipping.

00:07:29.500 And you go to our website and you actually click on the donate button.

00:07:32.900 It takes you to a page and fill in $22 in the custom amount for the website, you know, because you can otherwise choose fixed amounts like $50 and things.

00:07:42.080 And there's a place where you can put comments and you just say, for the green book, because we're calling it the green book.

00:07:48.500 And, you know, this has been authored by President of Friends of Science, Ron Davidson, you probably know him, and with Michelle's group, and it's also authored by Sterling Burnett.

00:07:58.460 And a group of us are contributing authors.

00:08:01.240 So, yeah, we're selling this all over the place.

00:08:03.400 If people want it in a hurry, we can courier it, because Canada Post is on strike right now.

00:08:08.800 But this is a wonderful thing to carry around and to put under the Christmas tree.

00:08:13.700 I was just going to say, this is a great Christmas gift for the climate skeptic in your life, but also for the liberal in your life.

00:08:21.640 The people who are, who is, they're the true believers in the climate hysteria and this net zero nonsense.

00:08:30.780 They really need to understand what it means to pursue net zero, the cost and the burden, the financial burden that cities and consumers will have to bear.

00:08:43.580 Because, you know, you hear the liberals talk about it in the House of Commons.

00:08:47.880 It's part of my job is to listen to the liberals lie to us in the House of Commons.

00:08:51.080 But, you know, to really break it down, and that's what I think Friends of Science really does well, too, is break down what these huge macro issues really mean to your pocketbook.

00:09:03.160 What is it going to cost me when you're already struggling to put groceries in the fridge in a time of inflation?

00:09:10.140 How much is it going to cost to fill up the minivan to take the kids to hockey?

00:09:13.620 Those are the things people really care about.

00:09:16.000 And it's so often built on the backs of lies.

00:09:20.280 I was reading through some of the data that you sent over.

00:09:25.260 And, you know, this is something that's near and dear to my heart here in Alberta, because every time there's a forest fire, they want to hike the carbon tax.

00:09:33.320 And Jasper just burned, thanks to decades of mismanagement of the forest there.

00:09:40.780 And yet, still, they say it's, you know, it's a climate issue and not a pine beetle issue.

00:09:46.740 Yeah.

00:09:47.140 Well, we actually do with that issue in the book.

00:09:49.080 You know, we show the actual amount of ground that's being burned, amount of forest.

00:09:53.680 And, oh, here's a cool graph.

00:09:55.560 I love this one.

00:09:56.500 It shows Canada's contribution to world emissions.

00:09:59.720 You know, I mean, it's 1.5%.

00:10:01.600 It's just about nothing.

00:10:03.840 And, you know, you're talking about the cost in our pocketbook.

00:10:06.420 I wanted to give you one number that I used in a presentation just recently to farmers.

00:10:11.000 You know, these huge Peterbilt trucks that ship cattle, they ship wheat, all sorts of things.

00:10:16.160 They're massive, big trucks.

00:10:17.280 They have a 300-gallon diesel fuel tank.

00:10:21.680 Well, you know, it costs about $2,000 to fill it up.

00:10:24.060 It's pretty expensive.

00:10:24.780 By 2030, the carbon tax at the current rate of increase will be $700 every time you fill up your tank when you're one of these truck drivers.

00:10:36.980 $700.

00:10:38.380 You know, and so, you know, the numbers are incredible.

00:10:41.600 It's all sort of hidden.

00:10:42.580 You don't actually see it when you go to the pump.

00:10:44.740 But imagine paying $700 every time you fill up your tank of one of these big trucks to ship us our food.

00:10:50.640 So, of course, the price is going to go through the roof because everything that we buy has to be shipped somehow.

00:10:55.500 And, you know, and, of course, the fact is none of the main developing countries are doing this at all.

00:11:04.060 I mean, China, believe it or not, is still considered a developing country.

00:11:07.420 Right.

00:11:07.940 World's second largest economy.

00:11:09.920 Yeah, that's right.

00:11:10.900 And, of course, there's a clause in the Framework Convention on Climate Change, which underlies the Paris Agreement,

00:11:16.760 that says the first and overriding priority for developing countries is poverty alleviation development.

00:11:21.700 So, since coal is the cheapest form of electricity, that's what they're using because, of course, it allows them to develop quickly.

00:11:29.240 Now, you'd laugh, Sheila.

00:11:30.960 The various reporters cornered the Chinese ambassador when the COP was held, the Conference of the Parties that we'll talk about in a minute, was held in Peru.

00:11:39.940 And they asked him, would you consider changing parts of the Framework Convention so that developing countries don't have this out clause?

00:11:47.940 And he said, these are practically the exact words.

00:11:51.060 He said, oh, no, the purpose of the Paris Agreement is to enforce the Framework Convention, not to change it.

00:11:58.040 So, China has an out clause.

00:11:59.540 You know, a lot of people will say, well, China has to cap their emissions in 2030.

00:12:03.620 Well, that's what Paris says.

00:12:05.300 But the underlying treaty, which is the Framework Convention, which takes precedence, and actually in the Paris Agreement, it says the Framework Convention is the basic rule.

00:12:13.400 It says that their first and overriding priority is poverty alleviation development, not greenhouse gas reduction.

00:12:21.000 So, come 2030, when their emissions, well, now it's double the United States, by then it'll be triple.

00:12:27.760 When their emissions are going through the sky, people are going to say, hey, you have to cap them now.

00:12:32.560 And they'll say, nope, we've got an out clause.

00:12:34.860 It's right here.

00:12:36.220 And the truth is, they never have to reduce emissions.

00:12:39.200 And, of course, China's building coal stations all over the world.

00:12:41.820 So, if you were concerned about greenhouse gases, and our book shows why you shouldn't, then China is going to just take over everything that we do. 0.93

00:12:52.340 You know, it's funny, you look at Ottawa, for example, City of Ottawa, City of Calgary, similar, they have these multi-billion dollar climate plans.

00:13:01.800 And yet, the impact on climate is so tiny, even for the whole of Canada.

00:13:05.940 You can't even measure it.

00:13:07.340 I mean, it's just trivial.

00:13:08.280 And it's wild that, you know, our government has signed on to the Paris Agreement, where, as you say, the explicit motive of this is poverty alleviation.

00:13:23.600 In China, and not reductions in emissions, but to do that, you have to inflict poverty on Canadians.

00:13:32.560 Yeah, that's right.

00:13:34.300 And Guibo just announced at the COP, which we'll talk about in a second, the Conference of the Parties, the UN Climate Conference in Azerbaijan, he just announced that he's proposing a worldwide tax on marine shipping, another carbon tax, you know?

00:13:50.000 And, I mean, so they don't, I've never seen a tax they don't like.

00:13:54.040 I love it when you interview Chris Sims, because actually, she did a very good X that I shared with you.

00:13:59.580 A very good X presentation on, okay, we've got another carbon tax coming, thanks to our Mr. Guibo, you know, the former Greenpeace tower scaler.

00:14:11.080 Yeah, Klein's house.

00:14:13.580 Yeah, and I sent you a graph from this book, which I think is really interesting.

00:14:17.640 It shows when the maximum temperatures were set provincially and territorially across Canada.

00:14:23.860 And what you can see is it is true that, you know, BC set their records in the 2000s.

00:14:28.620 But look at Alberta, 113 degrees Fahrenheit, 1937.

00:14:33.960 Yeah.

00:14:34.580 Okay, Nova Scotia, 100.9 degrees, 1935.

00:14:38.400 So the beauty of this book is it has, first of all, easy to understand language.

00:14:42.600 It's easy to carry around.

00:14:43.940 It's just a little book.

00:14:44.780 You wouldn't believe that's 88 pages, but it is, because they're very efficient.

00:14:48.760 But it has graphs and figures that just make you laugh.

00:14:52.120 I mean, they're not comical. 0.91

00:14:53.980 They're not putting in cartoons, but it just looks so ridiculous. 0.66

00:14:57.820 Oh, when was the record for Saskatchewan or whatever? 0.97

00:15:01.620 You know, it's nuts.

00:15:04.160 Well, and it debunks the hysteria.

00:15:06.480 It debunks the hysteria that it's getting warmer.

00:15:09.500 It's not.

00:15:10.420 That extreme weather is getting worse.

00:15:12.280 It's not.

00:15:12.880 That there are more forest fires than ever.

00:15:15.740 There are.

00:15:16.100 There's not.

00:15:16.600 There are fire seasons.

00:15:18.640 They seem to be worse in places that people know, because in many of the places that people

00:15:24.000 know, like Jasper, the feds are in charge.

00:15:27.320 Yeah.

00:15:28.080 And I think that's necessary, because a lot of people just believe the TV.

00:15:34.980 You know, the politicians said this.

00:15:37.500 The experts said this.

00:15:39.560 And the experts are so often activists and not scientists at all.

00:15:43.200 I mean, we I recall for, you know, about four years, the world believed that Greta Thunberg

00:15:49.000 was some sort of climate scientist.

00:15:50.460 And I think the world still believes that David Suzuki is one.

00:15:54.260 And yeah, the government is basically gambling our national fortune.

00:15:59.620 And this is a point that Canadians for Sensible Climate Policy make.

00:16:02.960 It's a massive wager.

00:16:04.320 In fact, on the front cover, they say a great wager of national treasure.

00:16:08.700 Because, you know, the kind of funds they're talking about rival virtually every government

00:16:13.740 department.

00:16:14.780 I mean, they want climate change.

00:16:16.680 They want a climate change lens to look at virtually everything.

00:16:20.620 You want to build houses.

00:16:21.560 What's the climate change impact?

00:16:23.040 You want to have EVs.

00:16:24.300 And by the way, they have a good section on EVs.

00:16:26.960 You know, it's interesting.

00:16:27.640 Volkswagen did an interesting study.

00:16:29.680 And they found that it takes something like, I think it was 30 years for a Volkswagen car

00:16:38.540 to actually emit as much greenhouse gas as an EV as a diesel does.

00:16:43.040 OK.

00:16:43.420 And before that time, you end up in a situation where you have to replace the battery.

00:16:50.320 So in many cases, they don't reduce greenhouse gases either.

00:16:53.700 So, you know, this book is going to be very helpful for people.

00:16:57.460 I think so, too.

00:16:58.500 I think these issues are often purposefully complicated by the other side so that you

00:17:05.560 just feel overwhelmed.

00:17:07.660 You know, they use acronyms for everything instead of saying climate change conference.

00:17:13.600 It's got to be COP29, Conference of the Party is 29.

00:17:17.860 It's so that normal people with their common sense feel slightly intimidated to weigh in.

00:17:26.360 But I think normal people know taxes don't change the weather.

00:17:31.200 And if you throw a virgin in the volcano, it doesn't stop it from erupting.

00:17:36.160 Yeah.

00:17:36.800 Yeah, exactly.

00:17:37.760 And that's really what it comes down to.

00:17:40.240 Yeah.

00:17:40.640 Well, and also, you know, one of the projects that I'm working with Canadians for Sensible

00:17:44.460 Climate Policy, and that's at sensiblechange.ca, is their Pathfinder program.

00:17:49.360 You know, what we've done here is if you look at the CSCP website, that's sensiblechange.ca,

00:17:55.540 and you just scroll down a bit, you see a box that says become a Pathfinder.

00:17:59.320 Now, becoming a Pathfinder is free, it doesn't cost anything, but what it does is it gives

00:18:04.120 you access to parts of the website that give you inside information.

00:18:08.140 And also, twice a month, I'll be having a podcast, a video podcast, in which I give them

00:18:13.940 the latest and the greatest things they have to know, not just the actual facts and figures

00:18:18.620 that they have to know, but how to actually beat the left at their own game.

00:18:23.340 Yeah.

00:18:23.480 Okay.

00:18:24.420 And a lot of that is based on Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, you know, which they used,

00:18:29.020 of course, to take over our institutions in the first place.

00:18:31.440 So if you click on Become a Pathfinder, you get added to a database and you're notified

00:18:36.420 when new things go up, you're notified when I'm going to give presentations, because we're

00:18:40.460 trying to replicate what we did in Ottawa.

00:18:43.680 And you remember in Ottawa, in the mayoral debates in the election in 2022, various people

00:18:49.720 from Action for Canada and other groups actually worked with us so that they

00:18:53.440 were well-equipped to go to the microphone during the mayoral debates and say, what are

00:18:57.440 you doing?

00:18:58.100 You're going to spend $57 billion for Ottawa's climate plan and the theoretical change by

00:19:04.380 2100 be one ten-thousandth of a degree?

00:19:07.260 Like, what are you doing?

00:19:08.940 So they actually, you know, debate after debate after debate, went to the microphone and basically

00:19:15.020 embarrassed the candidates who were supporting the climate scare.

00:19:18.360 And that's what we want to do across Canada.

00:19:20.400 And so if people click on Become a Pathfinder, you'll become part of our team and, you know,

00:19:25.780 we'll keep you up to date.

00:19:26.640 You don't have to do anything, but we'll help you speak out at your own committee meetings.

00:19:31.260 It's your own town council and things like that.

00:19:34.260 Yeah.

00:19:34.460 And we've got an election coming up.

00:19:37.060 And so there are going to be a lot of opportunities, a lot of local town halls where you can doorstop

00:19:41.920 your own candidates and ask them these tough questions. 0.97

00:19:45.120 You know, it's about damn time our side did this. 0.99

00:19:49.420 Yeah. 0.98

00:19:49.620 Frankly, I sign up to, you know, I get forced ethics emails.

00:19:54.820 I get make way emails, which is the rebrand of tides because they became so toxic that

00:20:00.720 they couldn't go by their own name anymore.

00:20:02.660 I sign up for the emails from the other side because, first of all, I want to know what

00:20:07.280 they're doing.

00:20:07.900 And I'm always curious about the level of training they give to their activists and

00:20:13.060 just like enlistment of this army of the misinformed out there.

00:20:20.040 And they're really engaged in training activists on the ground.

00:20:25.720 And it's about time our side adopted some of that.

00:20:29.660 Yeah.

00:20:29.940 And they're brave.

00:20:30.900 Okay.

00:20:31.300 This is one thing.

00:20:32.180 You can't help but admire their bravery.

00:20:34.660 I mean, they will get arrested.

00:20:35.940 They will go to town hall meetings and raise cane.

00:20:38.860 You know, in fact, Alinsky's rule number one is if you're a small group, you have to

00:20:42.780 raise a din so that you appear to be much bigger.

00:20:45.880 So, you know, if we get five people that go to a town hall meeting and they sit separately

00:20:51.140 so nobody knows they're coordinated and they go to the microphone and one after the other

00:20:55.800 and say, yeah, I agree with that last speaker.

00:20:58.020 You know, I think he's right.

00:20:59.280 And you make a noise.

00:21:00.960 You know, at one of our town hall, actually, it was a mayoral debate.

00:21:04.260 Um, we had a, we had an activist, a volunteer who stood outside the, uh, you know, she stood

00:21:10.800 well outside the building and she was handing out handouts to various people and very brave

00:21:15.500 lady.

00:21:16.140 And she was really harassed by the climate activists, but she didn't back down.

00:21:21.040 She was very polite, very professional, you know, and she used the tactics of Saul Alinsky

00:21:26.100 to actually show the climate alarmist that what they were saying didn't make any sense.

00:21:31.840 And it was interesting because people in the vicinity who saw how well she handled this

00:21:36.660 abuse of climate activists, they all said, oh, we want one of those flyers too.

00:21:41.500 Right.

00:21:41.640 Okay.

00:21:42.180 So, you know, the, the climate activists are not used to conservatives standing up and

00:21:46.720 effectively organizing and effectively speaking out and being brave.

00:21:51.000 But the bottom line is, if we don't do that, we're going to lose our society.

00:21:55.880 Right.

00:21:56.160 I mean, this is the, the freedom convoy over again, but for climate change.

00:22:00.780 Yeah, that's right.

00:22:02.260 Because the freedom convoy, while they were, you know, there were thousands of them, but

00:22:08.820 they were reflective of, I think the greater Canadian populace who had just had enough and

00:22:14.400 they went there and they were well behaved.

00:22:16.380 Like they're a little bit, you know, rambunctious for a boring city like Ottawa, but they were

00:22:21.840 well behaved.

00:22:22.480 The crime rate went down, they left the streets clean and they were, you know, fun loving,

00:22:26.980 happy warriors.

00:22:28.380 And I think that's what we have to be.

00:22:31.140 And so when we're confronted with the ugliness of the radical left, meet them with kindness,

00:22:38.380 meet them with articulation of our points.

00:22:42.340 Um, and you know, you'll always come out looking better in the end.

00:22:47.080 Right.

00:22:47.560 And you know, many people on the left have a good heart.

00:22:50.420 They're just misinformed.

00:22:51.860 They're just misinformed.

00:22:52.940 They're radicalized.

00:22:54.840 Somebody radicalized them.

00:22:56.840 Yeah.

00:22:57.320 Well, you know, the old expression, if you're young and you're not left wing, you don't have

00:23:00.980 a heart. 0.69

00:23:01.560 If you're old and left wing, you don't have a brain.

00:23:05.260 I think that applies in the East. 0.54

00:23:06.980 I think in Alberta it's different.

00:23:09.720 Yeah.

00:23:10.140 Oh, that's true.

00:23:11.100 Yeah.

00:23:11.220 Right.

00:23:11.440 But, you know, the bottom line is many of these people simply don't know.

00:23:15.460 I mean, one of my sisters is a strong socialist and she thinks the climate scare is totally

00:23:21.260 insane because she realizes that as a result of the climate scare, we're hurting the world's

00:23:27.200 most vulnerable people.

00:23:28.500 We're preventing Africans from using their own fossil fuels. 1.00

00:23:32.700 The price of electricity goes through the roof because we're supposedly stopping climate

00:23:37.100 change.

00:23:37.520 And of course that hurts the poor more than anybody.

00:23:39.900 And when you make, and this is something they actually talked about in this book and

00:23:44.040 others, when you actually make the fossil, or sorry, the solar panels and the wind turbines,

00:23:49.720 you're relying on China primarily for raw materials.

00:23:52.900 And they have horrible human rights and, you know, environmental standards.

00:23:58.520 So you're actually hurting the environment.

00:24:00.400 And it's just crazy because what I love to see is activists get to the microphone and say

00:24:04.980 to the politicians, look, you keep talking about a clean energy transition.

00:24:09.260 Do you realize where these things come from?

00:24:11.680 Do you realize that when they're making wind turbines, the energy source they're using in

00:24:15.920 China is coal?

00:24:17.280 So, yeah, you don't get away with it.

00:24:19.420 I got a piece of coal here somewhere.

00:24:20.920 I can't find it.

00:24:21.700 But the bottom line is coal is a wonderful energy source.

00:24:25.360 It's solid.

00:24:26.400 It's dependable.

00:24:27.100 It sits on site for years.

00:24:29.240 You don't have to pipe it in.

00:24:30.880 It's inexpensive.

00:24:32.340 So, yeah, use the latest pollution control.

00:24:35.000 But don't try and convince.

00:24:36.620 And this actually, I'll bring up one quick point.

00:24:39.340 Pierre Polyev, sadly, is supporting the climate scare.

00:24:42.260 He says, we want to have carbon sequestration, which is stuffing carbon dioxide underground,

00:24:49.240 which will do nothing except massively increase the price of electricity.

00:24:53.620 He wants to have more and more electric vehicles, OK?

00:24:57.280 He wants to convince developing countries to stop using their coal and instead use clean

00:25:02.440 Canadian natural gas to stop climate change.

00:25:06.300 Come on.

00:25:07.080 We can sell them our natural gas.

00:25:09.080 That's great.

00:25:09.540 But it's not going to have any impact on climate.

00:25:11.680 So, you know, the people in the Conservative Party have got to look south.

00:25:15.160 You did a really super show on the Trump election.

00:25:18.320 They've got to look south and realize that, look, here is Trump, who has many times called

00:25:22.900 the climate scare a hoax, which it is, generally speaking.

00:25:26.180 And he got elected twice, OK?

00:25:29.260 Stephen Harper, before he became prime minister, called the Kyoto Protocol a money-sucking socialist

00:25:35.660 scheme.

00:25:36.640 And he got elected.

00:25:38.000 And he even ended up with a majority.

00:25:39.360 So, you know, the idea that you have to support the climate scare to get elected is simply

00:25:44.820 wrong.

00:25:45.780 Right.

00:25:45.900 So, you know, various people, Chris Simms and all sorts of people, they're basically saying,

00:25:50.680 you know, I won't put words in her mouth, but I interpreted her as saying that, come on,

00:25:56.880 grow a backbone, you Conservatives.

00:25:59.200 Yes.

00:25:59.340 You know, stand up and say, this whole thing doesn't make any sense.

00:26:05.120 Well, and let's say you do care about emissions.

00:26:07.540 I definitely don't.

00:26:08.440 And I like to stress that all the time.

00:26:10.840 But fossil fuels are the solution.

00:26:13.740 Trump, emissions fell under Trump.

00:26:16.140 They fell under Trump from, I think, 2017 on.

00:26:20.440 And that was because of the fracking renaissance.

00:26:24.660 Right.

00:26:25.460 And there's another reason why one kind of emissions are falling, and this relates to

00:26:29.700 farmers especially, and that is nitrous oxide from fertilizer.

00:26:33.720 OK?

00:26:34.180 There are three main things that the Kyoto-Paris agreement people are concerned about.

00:26:38.640 That's carbon dioxide, which, of course, is plant food.

00:26:40.960 It's not a problem.

00:26:42.420 It's massively enriched, you know, our fertilizer.

00:26:45.520 Sorry, it's increased crop yield hugely.

00:26:48.020 The second one is methane from cows and pigs and things like that.

00:26:52.180 But the third one, and this is an interesting one, it's nitrous oxide, N2O.

00:26:56.160 That's laughing gas that they use at the dentist. 0.97

00:26:58.700 Now, the idea behind it is this.

00:27:01.280 About half the world's population is fed with inorganic artificial fertilizers, OK?

00:27:07.160 It's massively important.

00:27:08.820 In fact, when people say, what was the most important invention of the 20th century?

00:27:12.320 I always say the Haber-Bosch process, where you could use natural gas to actually reform

00:27:18.040 it and make artificial fertilizers.

00:27:20.600 So what happens is they put the ammonia, which is NH3, they put it—is it NH3?

00:27:25.840 Yeah.

00:27:26.360 They put it on the crop, and a lot of it, about 60% of it in Ontario—I'm not sure about

00:27:33.660 other provinces—but about 60% of it is absorbed.

00:27:36.320 However, some of it runs off into the surrounding ground and goes into the groundwater, et cetera.

00:27:42.720 And then it reacts with microbes in the soil and produces nitrous oxide, OK?

00:27:47.220 Nitrous oxide, N2O.

00:27:48.880 Now, the environmentals will tell you that that is much more powerful per molecule than

00:27:54.420 carbon dioxide.

00:27:55.780 And that is true as a greenhouse gas.

00:27:58.600 And that's true.

00:27:59.240 But the thing is, they measure it in parts per billion, OK?

00:28:02.860 It's very, very tiny.

00:28:04.340 And William Happer at Princeton University, if people do a search for William Happer and

00:28:09.320 greenhouse gases, you'll see he's done papers that show you could literally double CO2,

00:28:14.540 methane, and nitrous oxide, double it, and the temperature effect would be very, very

00:28:19.400 small.

00:28:20.580 So—but the federal government, you know, they use the idea that we have to reduce nitrous

00:28:26.220 oxide.

00:28:27.280 What will really happen is you'll have to massively reduce fertilizers, OK?

00:28:32.040 So, you know, the bottom line is the increased cost of actually farming will become much

00:28:37.480 higher.

00:28:37.840 They won't get as high a yield.

00:28:39.360 Food prices will go through the roof.

00:28:41.460 And one more thing there.

00:28:42.740 We're price takers.

00:28:43.900 We're not price setters.

00:28:45.480 So if our inputs are high and our yields are low and we're selling into a global marketplace,

00:28:50.620 your farmers just get poor and go out of business.

00:28:53.220 Well, exactly.

00:28:54.240 And, you know, the farmers, they have a very strong incentive already to use as little fertilizer

00:28:59.520 as possible.

00:29:00.040 Because it's expensive.

00:29:02.240 Because it's expensive.

00:29:02.940 And so they're very efficient in their use of fertilizers already.

00:29:06.280 So the only real way that you can reduce nitrous oxide is to reduce the amount of artificial

00:29:11.500 fertilizers you use.

00:29:13.040 And that will massively reduce crop yield.

00:29:15.900 And you look at Sri Lanka, OK?

00:29:17.900 Sri Lanka was the poster child for the World Economic Forum.

00:29:22.000 They said they were going to have only natural fertilizers, no inorganic fertilizers.

00:29:26.900 And essentially, they had a revolution, OK?

00:29:30.000 The president ran away from the country for fear of his life.

00:29:33.860 Prices of rice and all sorts of things skyrocketed.

00:29:36.860 They had a major economic breakdown.

00:29:39.260 And that's what happens if you get rid of inorganic fertilizers.

00:29:42.640 And of course, since half the world is fed with inorganic fertilizers, you'd have mass starvation.

00:29:48.180 So those things are actually covered in this book.

00:29:51.120 People pick it up.

00:29:52.660 And I hope they do.

00:29:53.880 They should order it now.

00:29:56.280 Yeah.

00:29:56.840 If they can, because it's a Canada Post strike.

00:29:59.640 Well, right.

00:30:00.400 And in fact, if you want in a hurry, we can send it by courier.

00:30:03.180 But otherwise, we have to wait till the strike's over.

00:30:06.740 But do order it now while we have our limited number of copies.

00:30:10.160 I have 300 copies coming on Friday.

00:30:11.960 Oh, OK.

00:30:13.200 Well, we don't need you storing those in your house.

00:30:16.440 Let's get those ordered. 0.63

00:30:18.160 I want to talk to you about the ongoing, or is it just wrapped up, what they call COP29.

00:30:24.240 It's the annual UN Climate Change Conference.

00:30:26.760 You and I normally meet at these things, not the past couple of years.

00:30:29.720 Because I believe Azerbaijan is not as friendly to uncontrollable journalists as some of the other places of the world that I've been to.

00:30:42.740 Yeah, it's great.

00:30:43.900 It has some similarities with the last COP, which was in Dubai.

00:30:48.380 And, you know, these are oil-producing countries.

00:30:51.100 And as a consequence, a lot of the people there, 1,700 actually, are oil representatives.

00:30:58.020 Now, it's interesting.

00:30:58.680 I just wanted to read you a couple of quotes from the president of Azerbaijan, for which he got horrible feedback.

00:31:05.020 But, quite frankly, he's right.

00:31:06.640 And I was saying under the comment sections, I wish our leaders were this courageous.

00:31:12.620 So, in the opening ceremony, they had something called the World Leaders Climate Summit.

00:31:17.260 This was held in Baku.

00:31:18.780 And, by the way, it's ironic it's held in Baku, because Baku was the first oil city in the world.

00:31:24.640 And you go back to the 300 ADs, and what you find is that they were actually pulling oil out of the ground.

00:31:32.900 They were using it over many centuries.

00:31:34.860 Marco Polo spoke about it.

00:31:36.500 They were using it for oil lamps, okay, and actually for Band-Aids and various medical purposes.

00:31:42.280 And it wasn't until the second half of the 1800s that the first oil well was hit in the United States.

00:31:49.840 Canada was slightly before that.

00:31:51.460 But Baku was literally the world's first oil town, okay?

00:31:55.880 If you look at Wikipedia, it's quite interesting.

00:31:58.680 They had massive usage of oil long, long before we did.

00:32:02.760 So, it was kind of ironic.

00:32:04.920 And 90% of Azerbaijan's exports are fossil fuels.

00:32:09.840 So, of course, they're not going to, you know, be against this.

00:32:13.720 And she says this, or he says this, and I'll just get his name here, the president of Azerbaijan.

00:32:20.040 I'll just get his name to be complete.

00:32:24.000 Ilham Aliya, okay?

00:32:26.440 I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right.

00:32:28.320 But he said some things that were awesome.

00:32:30.260 I mean, totally awesome, and this is what the conservatives should be saying in Canada.

00:32:34.560 He said, to accuse us of having oil is the same thing as accusing us of having more than 250 sunny days in Baku, you know?

00:32:43.460 And by the way, Baku, I should say, Azerbaijan is doing really well financially.

00:32:49.000 Their foreign debt is only 7.5% of their GDP.

00:32:53.860 Canada is over 100% of our GDP, so we should actually take a page out of their book. 0.78

00:32:59.020 But anyway, he says, it's natural resources, the country's natural resources, which are a gift from God.

00:33:05.260 I said this several months ago.

00:33:07.240 And this is the beginning of a climate conference.

00:33:09.420 He's saying this.

00:33:10.520 There's the enviros that go like, ah, stop it.

00:33:13.440 But anyway, he continued.

00:33:14.760 He said, I said this several months ago.

00:33:17.060 And now those who want to attack me, particularly the international media, simply quote me saying, this is a gift from God.

00:33:25.560 And I want to repeat it here again.

00:33:27.180 For the third time, it is a gift from God.

00:33:29.620 Every natural resource, whether it's oil, gas, wind, sun, gold, silver, copper, they're all natural resources.

00:33:35.700 Countries should not be blamed for having them and should not be blamed for bringing these resources to the market because the market needs them.

00:33:44.340 The people need them.

00:33:45.620 So that is my message.

00:33:47.380 And then he goes on to say, welcome to Baku.

00:33:50.360 I just love it.

00:33:51.700 You know, I don't know what his other politics are, but this is the kind of guy we want, you know, his kind of speaking out.

00:33:59.540 He says, unfortunately, double standards, the habit of lecturing other countries and political hypocrisy has become kind of a modus operandum for some politicians, state-controlled NGOs.

00:34:09.860 And he's watching Trump, eh, because his last words were, and fake media in some Western countries.

00:34:15.860 Yay, president of Azerbaijan.

00:34:17.920 Way to go.

00:34:20.580 It's so funny that the UN has picked the last few countries.

00:34:26.640 It feels like the UN is trying to colonize these countries with climate nonsense and getting some resistance.

00:34:33.260 So Dubai, I think the year before that was Egypt.

00:34:37.640 Then prior to that was Poland.

00:34:39.640 And they put it in Katowice, which is the coal capital.

00:34:42.960 And to their credit, they were having none of it.

00:34:45.460 I think the opening ceremonies had the coal miners marching band to open it up.

00:34:51.100 And it was right next door to the coal miners museum, like the walking museum.

00:34:56.460 We went on a tour of that when we were there.

00:34:58.540 Oh, yeah, you were there.

00:34:59.680 Yeah, I was.

00:35:00.800 And likewise with now Azerbaijan, even Bonn, Germany. 0.97

00:35:04.980 I get why they put it there because it's the UN head office or one of them or whatever.

00:35:10.160 But they're all along the river and you can see the coal barges going past the climate change conference in the background.

00:35:17.800 I'm just really looking forward to next year when Trump starts sending the oil companies to these things like he did last time.

00:35:26.800 There was one funny thing that happened.

00:35:29.160 Funny, ironic.

00:35:30.320 There's a group, a human rights group called Global Witness.

00:35:33.380 OK.

00:35:33.940 And they posed as a Hong Kong investor.

00:35:36.960 And they got in touch with the people that work with the cop executive director.

00:35:41.200 And they set up a meeting, totally fictitious.

00:35:45.000 They set up a meeting because they wanted to invest in the state oil company.

00:35:48.980 And if you actually look on BBC, you can see the actual video.

00:35:52.780 They videotaped him, I presume, without his permission.

00:35:55.440 And then they shared it with the media.

00:35:57.320 And, of course, the head of the cop is also a former oil executive.

00:36:02.240 OK.

00:36:02.540 And I'll read from the BBC.

00:36:03.940 Some observers have expressed concern about the world's largest climate conference taking place in Azerbaijan.

00:36:11.040 Its minister for ecology and natural resources, a former oil executive that spent 20 years in Azerbaijan's state-owned oil company called Sopan, is the world's chairman.

00:36:22.720 OK.

00:36:22.840 And they actually got in touch with one of these top UN people, Azerbaijanis, who's also been previously working in the oil industry.

00:36:31.540 And they interviewed him with this fake excuse.

00:36:34.880 And then they publicized it.

00:36:36.220 BBC, of course, didn't say, hey, if you're a human rights group, you should be caring about some sort of ethics.

00:36:42.440 You know?

00:36:43.400 And you lied to get this interview.

00:36:45.060 Then you probably recorded it without his permission.

00:36:48.340 Then you share it with the media, because what he was doing, he was actually trying to make oil deals, to which I say, great.

00:36:56.520 You know?

00:36:56.780 I mean, those people that came to that in your conference, they didn't fly there with wind power.

00:37:01.400 Right.

00:37:02.380 And, you know, Sheila, I think a lot of the world leaders are not taking these things seriously.

00:37:07.220 I'll just list the world leaders.

00:37:09.100 Dubai did the same thing last year when they thought, let's strike some oil deals.

00:37:13.640 The gang's here.

00:37:15.540 Yeah.

00:37:16.140 They're already here.

00:37:17.200 Let's break some oil deals. 0.96

00:37:18.580 I don't blame them for that.

00:37:19.780 I think it's a good move.

00:37:21.860 Well, and it's a total double standard, because there's lots of deals being established for wind and solar power.

00:37:29.500 You know?

00:37:29.780 But the president of Azerbaijan, he says, sure, we're pushing wind and solar power, but it wouldn't be complete without me saying that this is the gift from God, the fact that we have oil.

00:37:40.440 You know?

00:37:40.660 And many of the leaders did not go to this.

00:37:42.840 I think the whole thing is kind of winding down.

00:37:44.880 I mean, Biden didn't go.

00:37:46.240 Trudeau didn't go.

00:37:47.200 And the leaders of Russia, France, India, Mexico, Germany, Australia, none of them actually went.

00:37:54.180 So they managed to attract something like 50,000 people.

00:37:57.840 I'd love to see the greenhouse gas footprint to this event.

00:38:01.320 But none of the leaders actually went.

00:38:03.240 Now, the main purpose of the event, and this is really, really critical for people to know, the main purpose is finance.

00:38:11.340 Okay.

00:38:11.500 The Western world agreed to go to developing countries to help them get off fossil fuels and also to save them from the ravages of climate change.

00:38:24.700 Well, guess what?

00:38:26.120 Developing countries say that's not enough.

00:38:28.400 Ten times more?

00:38:29.120 Ten times more?

00:38:29.160 No.

00:38:29.960 No, not ten times more.

00:38:31.340 Thirteen times more.

00:38:32.680 They want $1.3 trillion per year to come out of our pocketbooks and be transferred to developing countries.

00:38:40.940 Just let them use tools.

00:38:42.440 Oh, that's right.

00:38:44.580 And the excuse, and the CBC, they had a special show on just last night I was watching.

00:38:50.100 They're saying that all these deaths are being caused by global warming.

00:38:54.500 They clearly, and you know, whenever I try to post this kind of thing on the CBC site, you know, they delete me right away.

00:39:00.000 But, you know, there's a study in the British Journal of the Lancet, a very leading journal, and certainly not right wing, and here's the quote.

00:39:08.560 It says, cold weather kills 20 times as many people as hot weather, according to an international study analyzing over 74 million deaths in 384 locations across 13 countries.

00:39:19.660 Now, you tell the CBC that, and oh, I should, you know, I suggest to people, everybody post it, because I've now been banned for life, and you'd laugh to hear why I was banned for life from posting on CBC's website.

00:39:32.900 Are you ready?

00:39:34.220 Okay.

00:39:35.000 The Ontario government during COVID was actually showing you a graph that showed the likelihood of you getting COVID, you know, per capita, if you were vaccinated, singly vaccinated, or not vaccinated.

00:39:48.220 And what it showed clearly is that the people who were doubly vaccinated were getting COVID much more often, per capita, than people who were singly and especially doubly vaccinated.

00:40:00.020 So I got on underneath the website of, or webpage of one of the CBC articles, and I said, you realize that if you get the vaccine, according to these statistics, and you can interpret them different ways, the Ontario government says your chances of getting COVID are much higher if you're vaccinated.

00:40:15.720 And CBC immediately deleted my comment, so I put it up again, they immediately deleted, and I thought, they must have an algorithm that looks for, you know, COVID denier stuff, like they do for climate.

00:40:27.180 And so I took a screen capture of the COVID data from the official Ontario government website, I put it up, and for a day, I guess they didn't notice, but then they canceled it, took it off, and they banned me for life.

00:40:41.780 So I contacted audience relations, I said, look, I'm posting official Ontario government data.

00:40:47.040 Why am I banned for life?

00:40:48.340 That's ridiculous. 0.85

00:40:49.720 They said, the decision's being made, you're banned for life. 0.81

00:40:52.680 So I mean, you know, people have got to get on the comment sections under CBC until they ban you for life, and say, hey, more people die from the cold, what are you worried about a bit of heat?

00:41:03.520 That's going to be great for the environment, great for humans, great for agriculture, bring it on.

00:41:09.120 Those people cannot be defunded fast enough.

00:41:12.760 They cannot.

00:41:15.320 Totally.

00:41:15.760 Tom, tell us again how people can support the work that you do, get involved in the work that you do, and of course, one more time, let us know how we can get involved.

00:41:25.480 Yeah, for sure.

00:41:26.460 Go to icsc-canada.com, and if you want to contribute to ICSC, whether it's to buy a book, in which case, put in 22 bucks, and in the comments, say, for the green book, then you just click on the donate button and do that.

00:41:40.140 Or if you want to just donate to us to help us get our message across, to help us train people across Canada to speak out against the climate scare in your jurisdiction, and you could replicate what we did in Ottawa, namely helping defeat a climate activist for mayor.

00:41:55.640 So, yeah, ICSC Canada, we're charging ahead, and you know, one of our directors is Patrick Moore.

00:42:01.100 Okay, we're proud of that, because Patrick was originally a founder of Greenpeace, and now he's working with us.

00:42:07.340 You did it again.

00:42:09.960 You forgot your podcast.

00:42:11.740 Right.

00:42:12.280 I got two podcasts.

00:42:13.600 One of them I'm restarting, because we're going to use that to help educate the Pathfinders.

00:42:18.380 It's called Exploratory Journeys.

00:42:20.380 That'll be starting in the next week or so again.

00:42:23.060 Pathfinders, sign up.

00:42:24.080 Click on that button.

00:42:24.900 You'll get into that.

00:42:26.180 The other is americoutloud.com.

00:42:29.020 Okay?

00:42:29.300 America Out Loud is the website of the massive site in the United States, and we have a web or a show called...

00:42:37.340 But the other side of the story, and people would really enjoy the last interview, we did it with John Robson.

00:42:43.460 Okay?

00:42:43.720 John Robson is the head of Climate Discussion Nexus.

00:42:47.480 You've got to go to that website.

00:42:48.740 He actually went to Baku, and his discussions are...

00:42:51.560 You know, he always has this great sense of humor.

00:42:53.600 You know, it's really fun to watch his videos.

00:42:55.700 But we interviewed him, and we haven't interviewed him as...

00:42:58.880 I think it's the second to last one.

00:43:00.500 I can't remember.

00:43:01.220 But regardless, John Robson's on Exploratory Journeys.

00:43:04.560 So go to americoutloud.com, click on Shows, and choose the other side of the story.

00:43:11.520 Great.

00:43:12.280 Thanks, Tom.

00:43:12.940 I'm sorry it's been so long since we had you on the show, but we'll have you back on again very soon.

00:43:16.440 We'll see you next time.

00:43:46.420 Give out my email address right now.

00:43:48.200 If you've got a question, a comment, a concern, criticism, honest criticism, not like, oh, Sheila, you're old.

00:43:56.320 I don't like your hair.

00:43:57.120 I don't care.

00:43:58.280 I don't care if you don't like my tattoos.

00:43:59.960 I really don't.

00:44:00.520 That stuff.

00:44:01.840 Is it about the work?

00:44:03.100 Send me an email.

00:44:04.280 It's sheila at rebelnews.com.

00:44:06.680 Put gun show letters in the subject line so that I know why you're emailing me.

00:44:11.840 Um, but also if you're watching a free version of the show or your friends are watching a free version of the show, um, a clip on, uh, YouTube or Rumble, uh, leave a comment there and I'll go fishing around over there sometimes for comments.

00:44:27.300 And in fact, that's where I went today for the comments today.

00:44:31.140 So they're on last week's show that I filmed with my friend, Lise Merle, who ran for Regina Public School Board on a pro parent agenda.

00:44:42.640 Unfortunately, Lise lost, not by much, against the incumbent far left radical who had the support of the school board and the benefit of some electoral interference from the school board and the teachers unions.

00:44:58.300 Um, so there's that, but she did change the conversation and she made it cool to be able to say the things that we all think about gender ideology in school around the dinner table. 1.00

00:45:11.160 That became a campaign issue and people were turning up at town halls to talk about it.

00:45:16.280 And so she empowered parents and I can't wait to see what she does next because she's definitely not done with these people and I'm not done with her.

00:45:23.620 Anyway, so this is on our show from last week, Robert Howell, 7814 writes,

00:45:31.820 People all over America are praying that the people of Canada rise up and free themselves from the woke government.

00:45:37.620 They have been suffering under Trudeau for years.

00:45:41.940 Freedom of speech matters.

00:45:43.000 If you want it back, you have to vote for it and work to get others to join you.

00:45:47.200 On the Trump re-election, also Peter Cornelson, 4843 writes,

00:45:54.600 I just hope Trump can help us get rid of Trudeau and all his BS and let's get on with our lives post-Trudeau.

00:46:01.620 Something we should be able to deal with ourselves.

00:46:05.280 We are failing, expecting someone from another country to deal with their problems. 1.00

00:46:09.100 We should feel a little ashamed.

00:46:10.540 You know what?

00:46:10.820 I don't think that's what anybody expects here.

00:46:15.340 I think that what happened in the United States was a victory against the political and cultural establishment.

00:46:28.460 It was a victory against the mainstream media lies.

00:46:31.860 It was a victory against the weaponization of the apparatus of government against political dissidents.

00:46:38.100 It's sound familiar?

00:46:40.360 That's something that Canada is currently living through.

00:46:42.480 It's a victory against censorship.

00:46:44.460 It was a victory for the outsiders. 1.00

00:46:46.940 It's a victory for us here in Canada who want a reasonable trading partner.

00:46:51.860 If you want wealth in the rest of this country, you have to unrestrain Alberta.

00:46:57.040 And we need a trading partner in the United States who wants to buy our oil.

00:47:02.380 And that is already happening.

00:47:03.380 Our Premier Daniel Smith is already meeting with her governor counterparts down there.

00:47:08.960 In fact, she's going to the inauguration.

00:47:11.440 We're resetting the relationship before it's even begun.

00:47:14.700 And I think that's wonderful.

00:47:16.660 And if you are a Canadian, you need to be paying attention to something else that's happening in the United States that should inspire you, embolden you, and empower you.

00:47:25.480 The culture has instantly changed in the United States.

00:47:30.460 They have gone from kneeling because of the national anthem to the president-elect going to UFC, UFC fighters, dedicating their fight to God, giving their belt to the president to hold.

00:47:48.860 And something has happened in the United States.

00:47:52.500 It has become cool and culturally relevant to be conservative.

00:48:00.380 Actually, the mainstream, which is conservatism.

00:48:03.900 I think most people care in freedom, liberty, being left alone, the Constitution.

00:48:09.640 Those people have come out of the closet en masse.

00:48:12.240 And it's like every day is the 4th of July currently.

00:48:16.820 It's a stark contrast to the scoady, dour, unfunny, ashamed-to-be-American, ashamed-of-their-past-and-their-history culture that we've seen the last four years in the United States.

00:48:33.560 And it happened instantly.

00:48:35.620 As a Canadian, I'm not looking to Trump to save me, but I'm learning something here.

00:48:40.020 And I think we all could.

00:48:42.140 That could be us if we're just unafraid.

00:48:45.860 And I think that's probably the message of Tom Harris today, too, with some of his criticisms of our political leaders on the conservative side when it comes to the climate scare.

00:48:54.260 Get bold.

00:48:55.580 What's the worst that could happen?

00:48:57.460 You're in opposition right now.

00:48:59.720 You might just stay there.

00:49:00.820 Or you could win.

00:49:02.640 And life could be more affordable for Canadians going forward.

00:49:06.040 And we could change the culture.

00:49:07.160 And you could say what millions of Canadians are thinking.

00:49:12.120 All right.

00:49:12.760 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:49:14.160 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:49:15.420 I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.

00:49:18.220 And as always, do not let this government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:49:22.300 Go ahead.

00:49:22.860 Go ahead.

00:49:23.420 Take care.

00:49:23.720 Take care.

00:49:25.920 Bye.

00:49:26.900 Bye.

00:49:27.200 Bye.

00:49:27.860 Bye.

Rebel News Podcast - November 21, 2024

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Is the climate scare finally over？

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