Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Jason Kenney, Kris Wells, and Jann Arden： The faces of Alberta's anti-independence freakout

00:00:00.000 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:30.000 The Sovereignist movement here in Alberta is maintaining a slow momentum after the post-election spike that it had after the Liberals were rewarded for 10 years of corruption and incompetence by voters in the eastern parts of this country.

00:00:54.280 With another term, a lot of baby separatists were born here in the West.

00:00:59.760 And so after the election results, the Sovereignist movement here in Alberta became superheated.

00:01:07.340 But temperature is coming down a little, but it's still percolating.

00:01:15.880 And with that, a lot of people on the other side are losing their marbles in their best efforts to scare people into staying.

00:01:27.840 In fact, here is Canadian recording artist Jen Arden making her best arguments to keep Albertans in the country.

00:01:39.100 Listen to this.

00:01:39.760 Hey, Alberta. 1.00

00:01:42.520 Hey, you bunch of fucking separatist wackos. 1.00

00:01:46.040 How you doing? 1.00

00:01:46.740 Feeling good about yourselves? 1.00

00:01:48.260 You're an embarrassment to this country. 0.94

00:01:50.540 Everything you have, everything that you have enjoyed, cherished, and benefited from comes from being part of one of the greatest countries on the planet. 1.00

00:02:00.840 You guys have your heads so far up your asses that you obviously can't see what pricks you are, the way you are treating indigenous people, the way you are treating your fellow citizens, your fellow Canadians. 1.00

00:02:15.600 You guys are a bunch of creepy little pricks. 1.00

00:02:20.800 Alberta will never separate from Canada. 1.00

00:02:22.920 It's never going to happen because people like me are going to stand up, throw their shoulders back, and keep fucking yelling and keep standing up for what I know is right. 0.92

00:02:34.920 And what you guys are doing is. 0.91

00:02:38.840 All right.

00:02:39.540 So Jan's got me convinced with her strong, completely level-headed and absolutely sane arguments.

00:02:47.720 Calling people names.

00:02:48.820 That's what's going to keep them in the country. 0.94

00:02:50.780 Good job, Jan.

00:02:51.520 But she's not the only one.

00:02:54.640 Justin Trudeau's radical sex activist senator from Alberta, Chris Wells, is making threats, saying that, sure, Albertans can vote to leave, but they'll get no pension.

00:03:07.300 They'll have their citizenships revoked and a whole host of other things from the liberals who are perfectly fine with terrorists.

00:03:17.180 Foreign-born terrorists maintaining their Canadian citizenship, Albertans born of two Canadian citizens would not be able to keep their citizenship under the twisted logic of the liberal senator from Alberta. 0.63

00:03:36.600 But he also is not the only crazy person making this completely unhinged and, I think, not grounded in law argument.

00:03:45.380 Alberta's former premier, Jason Kenney, who once underestimated the anger of Albertans, particularly on his mishandling of COVID.

00:03:55.580 He's making many of the same arguments, and as the former immigration minister of this country, he should know better.

00:04:01.960 Now, joining me to discuss this and more is my friend and Alberta Sovereignist, Corey Morgan.

00:04:10.640 Take a listen.

00:04:11.340 So joining me now is Corey Morgan.

00:04:19.620 He's a senior columnist at the Western Standard, a columnist at the Epoch Times and the author of the, and I don't think I'm exaggerating here, and I will take some credit for it, the best-selling book,

00:04:31.320 The Sovereignist Handbook, Charting the Course to Western Independence.

00:04:35.120 And Corey has been very gracious with his time as Rebel News is planning town halls, we've held two already, about the prospect of Western separation or Western sovereignty.

00:04:46.560 I would consider him an expert in this and a bit of a historian on Western separation.

00:04:54.920 And we're getting told, Corey, to shut up because they will take all of our benefits of being Canadian away, the things we paid into.

00:05:07.500 And so I just, I thought I'd have you on to discuss that and the usual suspects rearing their ugly heads.

00:05:13.360 But before we get into that, if I've missed something about who and what you are, now's your chance to fill in the blanks.

00:05:19.520 Oh, you've covered it better than I ever could. Thank you.

00:05:21.820 Now, our former premier, who underestimated the anger of Albertans once already, has learned nothing, Jason Kenney,

00:05:30.820 and joined by the likes of Senator for Alberta, Professor Chris Wells, who's a radical sex activist.

00:05:40.460 The two of them have popped up to say that, okay, fine, you can be separatists, you can even leave the country,

00:05:47.320 but you're not taking your pensions with you, you're not taking your citizenship with you,

00:05:53.120 you're not taking any of the things that you've paid into for all this time.

00:05:58.820 What do you think about that?

00:06:00.520 They're hollow and bittered words, but if anything, they're helping the independence movement.

00:06:04.540 I mean, it's threatening us isn't the way to keep us here, especially when there's nothing to it.

00:06:11.020 My mother is an American citizen. She left Canada back in the early 90s.

00:06:15.240 She still has Canadian citizenship, should you choose to come back, though.

00:06:18.920 She still collects her pension that she paid into throughout her working career while in Canada.

00:06:24.240 And even if we walked down that road of the West becoming independent and it happened,

00:06:29.980 we had a positive vote, well, as per the Clarity Act, that means that the negotiations are going to begin.

00:06:34.840 So if Canada was going to say, well, you know what, Alberta, we're just going to screw you on those billions we owe you 0.66

00:06:40.260 out of the Canada pension plan, that's fine.

00:06:42.620 It'll make it easier for us to say, well, you know that giant trillion dollar national debt you thought we were going to take a piece of?

00:06:48.060 We're not paying that.

00:06:49.340 So we will get our pound of flesh one way or another.

00:06:52.400 Jason Kenney and that creepy Mr. Wells can go on all they like on this.

00:06:58.400 If anything, I mean, Wells really represents part of why we want to leave.

00:07:01.080 If that man does not represent virtually anybody in Alberta, yet he's one of our senators.

00:07:06.700 So go ahead, you know, Jason, go ahead, Mr. Wells.

00:07:10.120 You're only making my job easier as a person who's trying to bring Alberta to the tipping point of independence.

00:07:15.460 I mean, Chris Wells, the fact that he is a senator at all speaks to the problem with the relationship between Alberta and Ottawa.

00:07:24.740 It is, or at least it has been before Justin Trudeau came along.

00:07:30.180 It was an accepted thing that Albertans, to avoid opening up the Constitution, we would elect our senators and then they would be appointed by the prime minister.

00:07:42.900 And that had happened just fine and dandy until Prime Minister Justin Trudeau came along and disregarded the will of the people.

00:07:50.320 I think Mike Shaikh was the senator-in-waiting.

00:07:53.500 And instead we got Justin Trudeau's selection, Paula Simons.

00:07:56.940 And I think it's Erica Barutz.

00:07:59.500 And we got Chris Wells instead.

00:08:02.720 So Erica was the choice of Albertans.

00:08:04.520 We got Justin Trudeau's choice instead.

00:08:07.180 And he, as I said, he's a radical, progressive gender activist, not the choice of Albertans.

00:08:14.780 Our will was completely disregarded.

00:08:17.460 Our culture, I think, was completely disregarded in that choice.

00:08:20.580 And now he's sitting with his healthy taxpayer salary telling the rest of us to sit down, shut up or else.

00:08:27.740 Well, yeah, I mean, in appointing Wells as a senator, Justin did as the Carney supporter standing there with his middle fingers extended to everybody else.

00:08:37.300 Because, okay, fine, you're not going to accept elected senators.

00:08:41.040 No liberal government ever does.

00:08:42.640 But if you really at all cared about the system, if you really were even a little bit genuine, you would find it, you know, there's a few relatively moderate liberals you could have put in that position.

00:08:52.380 I would even say Paula Simons, okay, she's always been a lefty, but that's a little bit acceptable. 0.98

00:08:56.240 But to get a weirdo activist, and that's what Wells is, I mean, as far left as you can find and put them in as a senator, that is extending a middle finger to the province.

00:09:06.760 That's saying, you know, not just, I'm not going to respect your elected senators, but I'm going to go as far to the polar opposite side of what you want and stick that in there on your behalf.

00:09:16.080 But that's fine.

00:09:16.920 He can sit there as a testament to just how broken and embedded our system is and lets us know what central Canada and the leadership thinks of us.

00:09:26.240 Yeah, I mean, if there was ever a colonizer, that dude is it.

00:09:32.580 Now, I want to talk to you a little bit more about the threats of Canadian citizenship being revoked from Alberta separatists, if they so choose.

00:09:42.740 And I think that's the point I want to keep reiterating here, it is up for Albertans to choose, that their citizenship would be taken away upon leaving Confederation.

00:09:54.720 Within the Commonwealth, that's really not how it's been.

00:09:58.300 When Ireland seceded, I guess, from the UK, those Irish citizens also got to keep their British citizenship.

00:10:10.980 And even if that were something that Albertans didn't want, or a vast majority of Albertans didn't want, by virtue of having two Canadian parents, don't they get to qualify for Canadian citizenship?

00:10:28.040 I mean, I'm not taking advice about this from a prime minister with like a handful of citizenships.

00:10:33.360 Well, I hope that when the time comes, they're just not that bitter.

00:10:38.180 As you said, other nations would have, you know, parted ways and still remain part of the Commonwealth, maintain that good relationship and accepting that there's common citizenry among them.

00:10:48.920 But to be honest, if we're at the point where, you know, a clear majority of the province has voted to leave, I don't think people care.

00:10:54.940 We're going to have Alberta passports, fine.

00:10:57.100 And if you guys want to have a visa program, I'll vacation somewhere else. 0.99

00:11:00.740 It would just be stupid policy.

00:11:02.760 I mean, these are neighbouring nations now, which would presumably, as most neighbouring nations should, have a strong trade relationship, a lot of travel between the two. 1.00

00:11:12.060 And if Canada wants to be so stupid as to shut us out, we'll travel south. 0.98

00:11:15.520 That's okay. 1.00

00:11:16.000 There's a whole big world out there.

00:11:18.200 Well, that's the thing too.

00:11:19.340 It's like, they, again, misunderstand the problem here.

00:11:24.700 The problem is they don't want to be Canadian anymore.

00:11:27.660 So you're threatening them with taking away different passports?

00:11:29.520 Yeah, exactly.

00:11:30.300 Don't threaten me with a good time.

00:11:32.760 And as I said, when they say things like that, they only make my task easier.

00:11:38.040 And again, as well, I think it's a hollow threat.

00:11:41.100 It's not reasonable when we look at the circumstances where countries have already amicably split apart.

00:11:48.660 So Kenny knows that.

00:11:50.780 I mean, Wells, I don't know.

00:11:51.760 He's focused on weird things.

00:11:53.340 But Kenny is a smart man with a lot of constitutional and historical knowledge about him.

00:11:59.000 And he knows darn well that in a post-independence scenario that they're not going to be stripping citizenship away from people.

00:12:05.080 So it's a threat.

00:12:06.440 And I think the intent is to make people afraid to want to pursue independence.

00:12:11.000 But if anything, it's just entrenching people's will to do it more so.

00:12:14.440 He should know better.

00:12:16.360 Yeah, it's weird because he was the immigration minister.

00:12:19.760 So he knows this stuff.

00:12:21.820 And again, Chris Wells, he's a senator in a government that said that terrorists should be able to keep their Canadian citizenship.

00:12:33.460 You know, they're the Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian kind of people, even if they are immigrants to Canada who commit terrorism on the homeland soil.

00:12:42.100 And yet, for them, the real problem might be Albertans who want to do something else than stay in confederation.

00:12:51.240 Yeah, the priorities are skewed.

00:12:53.960 I guess if they want to maintain, you know, citizenships for terrorists, that's fine.

00:12:57.780 We can deport our terrorists to Canada when the time comes.

00:13:01.080 They're more than welcome to them.

00:13:02.700 I mean, some of it, to be a little fair, and John Bolton, a broadcaster, brought that up quite well, was that there was a group that kind of put out, started talking a little almost like that sovereignty association thing.

00:13:15.960 For people from the 90s who might remember the Quebec referendum, they started to try and ride both sides of the razor there and say, well, we're going to be fully independent for the people they were speaking to when they wanted full independence.

00:13:25.840 But others there say, no, we'll have sovereignty of association, so we'll still have the currency and the citizenship and all the benefits, but we'll just have all that independence.

00:13:33.500 And in playing both sides, that's what led to the Clarity Act, actually, is because they were kind of disingenuous with what they were putting out there.

00:13:40.920 So one group was kind of putting out stuff that sounded similar to that 1995 thing, and I noticed they pulled it off their website since.

00:13:47.500 But that's what Kenny latched onto, and Wells, and saying, look at these separatists, they're claiming they're going to get all this stuff even after they leave, and that's not the case.

00:13:57.320 And then, of course, they expanded on that into the citizenship and the CPP.

00:14:00.640 So some of it lands, too, on the decentralized nature of the independence movement, though, and inconsistent messaging.

00:14:09.320 They do have to get it clear, because the opponents are going to pounce when they see opportunities like this, and that's sort of what happened.

00:14:14.600 Right. That is a problem right now, although it is early days, but there has been no sort of messaging that's coalesced around one group.

00:14:26.040 And I know that some of the groups are talking about sort of coming together, but we haven't seen that sort of formalized quite yet.

00:14:35.940 And the other side of this debate is going to capitalize on that, and I think the lack of refined messaging coming out of some of these camps.

00:14:51.600 It's a little blunt.

00:14:52.820 I mean, we can enjoy some of the unrefined folks out front.

00:14:56.280 We thrive on them.

00:14:57.080 But when we're talking about something that starts to get as nuanced and detailed as bringing a nation into independence from another, we do have to have some deeper discussions, some policy discussions, and consistency.

00:15:10.740 We can't have multiple figures standing up saying they represent a movement and proposing different things.

00:15:16.760 Though how we stop that, I don't know, because, of course, every group has a right to form and speak.

00:15:21.800 But with no central voice representing that, it's going to be a challenge.

00:15:27.620 We'll see if somebody rises, I guess, out of it and starts to pull it together.

00:15:31.660 As you said, it is relatively easy.

00:15:33.400 It's easy, relatively early.

00:15:35.320 Nothing's easy.

00:15:37.420 The election was less than a month ago, which, you know, the system's broken.

00:15:40.660 This has been building for decades.

00:15:42.360 But the election's what really brought it to a four.

00:15:45.220 And we've got a whole lot of new people to this movement coming together at this point.

00:15:49.540 I mean, it's only been a few weeks.

00:15:50.680 You know, give it a couple of months.

00:15:51.920 Let's see what we can put together.

00:15:54.640 I want to talk about some more of the stay crowd.

00:15:59.860 I hope some of these people...

00:16:02.040 Elbows up.

00:16:02.580 Elbows up.

00:16:03.240 I hope they lead the stay messaging.

00:16:06.360 Jan Arden lost her marbles, went full wine ante.

00:16:10.860 And then there's Thomas Lukaszek, former PC.

00:16:16.340 God, that feels like a million years ago.

00:16:18.140 PC MLA, who now is sort of fully captured by the NDP.

00:16:25.100 He is trying to organize a petition on the other side that Alberta shouldn't leave.

00:16:33.100 I wonder, I think, I worry about his work ethic.

00:16:37.940 Let's just put it that way.

00:16:39.000 Yeah, well, Fabio, it's glad he took some time away from his hair and took on something different for a change.

00:16:44.500 But, you know, he's just trying to maintain relevance, really, and stand out.

00:16:49.120 It's, well, two things on that.

00:16:51.540 Yeah, for one, it's an abuse of the referendum system that's been brought about.

00:16:56.960 It's trying to hold a referendum to maintain the status quo.

00:17:00.100 That's like holding a referendum to say, let's keep Wednesdays named Wednesdays.

00:17:03.760 We don't need a vote on that.

00:17:04.840 It's already Wednesday.

00:17:05.860 If you want to change it, you have a referendum to say, we want to change it.

00:17:09.440 So it's just a pointless move.

00:17:12.600 I would assume and hope that the system says, no, it's not a valid question to be asked in a referendum.

00:17:17.320 If you want to stay, there's one ongoing, and then you vote against that.

00:17:21.580 That's, you know, rather than having dueling referendums going on or referenda.

00:17:26.060 The other part, though, which is interesting, is that a lot of people seem to think it's going to be easy to trigger these.

00:17:31.800 And I mean, if Lukasik on a whim wants to try and get one of these going, I say some people on both sides, supportive and against the initiative, don't understand just how hard it is to get 177,000 signatures.

00:17:45.320 In reality, you will need 200,000 because a lot will be written outside the lines or illegible or the wrong address.

00:17:52.420 They'll get discounted.

00:17:53.360 Right.

00:17:53.400 And you have to get these in 120 days, which has been expanded.

00:17:57.780 Like, it's doable, but it's very hard on paper with a name, address, phone number, and witnessed.

00:18:04.000 Like, people look at online petitions.

00:18:05.660 Oh, I saw 10,000 get raised overnight.

00:18:07.700 Yeah, that's online.

00:18:09.080 A real petition is a heck of a lot of work.

00:18:11.440 So I do believe the independence movement is motivated enough to get that done.

00:18:15.780 But for people which is basically a troll petition, for the probably six figures of work, you know, spending and work and thousands of volunteers that would be required to pull that off, I just doubt it'll come about.

00:18:28.920 So I think he's kind of trolling, but we'll see.

00:18:30.880 I mean, they have the right to petition all they like.

00:18:33.340 Yeah, I look forward to seeing Jason Kenney, Thomas Lukasik, Chris Wells, and Jen Arden working hand in hand on their little counter petition.

00:18:44.760 And I think based on what we've seen with some of these recounts, I hope everybody has learned that quite literally every vote counts.

00:18:54.060 You know, when we see ridings go to the Liberals on one vote and other votes are tossed out, or as is the case in British Columbia, roughly 900 of them just not counted because they were lost for a time.

00:19:08.060 It's a lot of work.

00:19:10.900 And if you feel strongly about this, you have to get involved or at least make sure your voice is heard by casting that ballot.

00:19:20.180 Oh, yeah. I mean, at the very least, casting your ballot.

00:19:24.860 And part of what has to be understood out of this movement, especially when you don't have a party system or a party that's kind of leading the charge on this, citizens have to get up.

00:19:35.040 They have to be the ones petitioning.

00:19:36.600 They have to be the ones signing the petitions.

00:19:37.940 They have to be the ones convincing their neighbors to sign these petitions and then vote positively when the time comes.

00:19:43.580 This is kind of unique, and we're new to it.

00:19:45.600 And as I said, both sides of this seem to underestimate just how tough it's going to be to get that many signatures over the line.

00:19:53.760 And it's going to take everybody and a heck of a lot of work.

00:19:56.260 I do feel there's a better chance with the motivated people in the independence movement than the Jan Ardens and the Thomas Lukasics.

00:20:02.420 Especially with that tirade out of Arden, like, wow, you really need a, you need something.

00:20:08.940 I'm not offering it.

00:20:12.080 But she, you know, it shows some of the people who are married to the system, too.

00:20:17.260 Right.

00:20:17.840 Jan Arden is a CBC darling.

00:20:20.460 You know, she had a couple, I'll give it credit, you know, decent songs kind of in the 90s.

00:20:24.280 But really, he's just kind of, in any real world, would have really faded away and been playing the small town bar circuit by now.

00:20:30.020 But when you've got CBC to kind of keep giving you specials, even though nobody's watching them, then you can make a pretty good living on being a has-been.

00:20:37.180 But, you know, and an independent movement threatens that.

00:20:40.380 But, well, that's a shame.

00:20:42.840 Yeah.

00:20:43.360 Yeah, she should be relegated to the Canada Day circuit, along with Harlequin. 0.56

00:20:48.340 Yeah, Tupper, you know, some of the other chronics.

00:20:51.520 And I waited, Tupper had a bunch of hits.

00:20:53.040 She only had two, I think.

00:20:54.280 Yes, yes.

00:20:56.320 Now, I'm going to ask you a question that I asked you the first night of our town halls.

00:21:03.140 Because I know it's coming up a fair bit.

00:21:05.880 And that is on Indigenous rights in the referendum.

00:21:09.980 Because, for some reason, the other side of the let's get out of here debate seems to believe that there is some sort of Indigenous veto.

00:21:22.000 Over all of Alberta leaving.

00:21:25.640 And I disagree.

00:21:27.500 I know you disagree.

00:21:28.600 But you probably explained it a little bit better than me.

00:21:30.840 But Indigenous people get one vote, just like the rest of us.

00:21:35.220 And Indigenous rights, as the Premier has said, should and will be respected in any referendum question.

00:21:44.600 Absolutely.

00:21:45.180 And we're talking about the treaties.

00:21:46.660 Something I say whenever I'm asked about this.

00:21:48.780 People get online and read one.

00:21:50.460 They're not that hard to find.

00:21:52.120 And they're not very big documents.

00:21:53.580 You don't have to commit half a day to read these.

00:21:55.420 They're a couple of pages.

00:21:57.080 And there's nothing in them.

00:21:58.800 Nothing that would preclude the ability to hold an independence referendum.

00:22:03.600 Most of them are defining the extents of the land.

00:22:06.340 Which, you know, that can be debated and argued about.

00:22:08.860 If there was a referendum saying that we were going to dissolve the reserves and the land that was set aside by treaties, then yes, we've got a problem.

00:22:14.520 And I would oppose that, too.

00:22:15.600 Because that is infringing on what was agreed to.

00:22:18.480 But a referendum on the independence of Alberta is not at all a treaty infringement.

00:22:25.160 And Keith Wilson, the lawyer, he's been really good on that and talk about constitutional issues.

00:22:31.260 And he came on my show.

00:22:32.040 He talked about that.

00:22:33.500 We have already moved treaties, basically, from the care of one government to another government to another government.

00:22:39.040 They're transferable in that sense.

00:22:41.100 I mean, when it's signed with the Crown, yes, initially it was Queen Victoria.

00:22:44.940 But that moved on to the Dominion of Canada.

00:22:47.660 And now Crown land has actually moved on to the province.

00:22:51.400 And the treaties still remain and the obligations still remain.

00:22:54.240 It's just that there's a different government now that's obligated to maintain those.

00:22:58.880 So nothing in independence is threatening those treaties.

00:23:01.960 It's just changing over what the form of the government is of the day.

00:23:06.040 But a lot of opponents like using that.

00:23:08.260 They see it as their trump card.

00:23:09.460 This is it.

00:23:09.940 You know, the indigenous are against it.

00:23:11.900 Thus, we can't do it.

00:23:12.900 They've used that for pipelines.

00:23:13.980 They've used that for a number of things.

00:23:16.120 We've got to remind a lot of people, consultation is not consent.

00:23:19.480 And we've got to get that myth done.

00:23:21.860 Because people keep saying, well, you won't get their consent.

00:23:23.420 Well, you know what?

00:23:23.840 I don't care.

00:23:25.160 I think it's important that we consult.

00:23:27.300 They're citizens.

00:23:28.060 And it's vital.

00:23:28.920 And perhaps they should participate.

00:23:30.720 Because if anybody's having a hard time in the Federation, it's First Nations.

00:23:33.940 They're in terrible shape right now.

00:23:36.060 And we should consult and speak with those citizens as much as possible.

00:23:41.260 But if in the end, most of them say, no, well, again, that's a shame.

00:23:44.540 You still have your treaties.

00:23:45.500 You still have your reserves.

00:23:46.340 But we're moving along.

00:23:47.880 Right.

00:23:48.480 Yeah.

00:23:48.840 And I think Keith laid out the scenarios for indigenous people.

00:23:54.140 They could actually, the reserves could stay within Canada and the rest of us leave.

00:23:58.500 But as you say, if there is a people being absolutely screwed by the feds, I would suggest it is the indigenous people in their own words, by the way.

00:24:08.080 It's just amazing.

00:24:09.160 Those rented chiefs are suddenly in love with colonialism.

00:24:12.280 Like, oh, please, don't break the status quo. 0.96

00:24:14.940 Yet the month before, they're screaming that they're being oppressed and pushed down and screwed.

00:24:19.220 It just always seems to depend on what side their bread's buttered on, the number of those.

00:24:22.740 I mean, there's some good chiefs out there, too, and some good leadership, but there's some pretty bad actors who kind of speak ostensibly on behalf of their citizens.

00:24:30.820 And I don't think that's who they're really serving.

00:24:33.400 Alan Adam.

00:24:34.740 Yes.

00:24:36.080 I mean, and you're right.

00:24:37.440 There are things that have been transferred to different levels of government and things that different levels of government have just taken on because the feds are refusing to do their job.

00:24:47.800 For example, indigenous health care is the purview of the feds, but Alberta is building drug treatment facilities on reserve because we're not about to let our indigenous people die for lack of treatment because the feds won't do their jobs and build out drug treatment capacity.

00:25:06.720 Alberta is doing that.

00:25:07.540 Alberta has the Indigenous Opportunities Corporation, which builds partnerships with indigenous communities and largely oil and gas.

00:25:18.240 That's something indigenous affairs at the federal level is supposed to do. 0.99

00:25:22.400 They're not doing it.

00:25:23.680 They've decided that they're just leaving the indigenous people behind. 0.80

00:25:27.280 So there's a lot of opportunity, I think, from the let's get out of here side to speak to indigenous communities and say like, hey, you couldn't be worse off. 0.94

00:25:37.760 Why don't you try something new?

00:25:39.620 Absolutely.

00:25:40.120 And the province is being proactive.

00:25:41.380 It's looking at things like partnerships or the Enoch Reserve with health care centers and things like that to move ahead with.

00:25:48.480 Whereas the SIXICA Reserve, for example, and Trudeau literally gave them a check for $1.2 billion a few years ago.

00:25:55.500 You know, just kidding.

00:25:56.540 It ties it up to myself again.

00:25:57.740 But I did that video tour of that reserve and showed that years later, the houses are still falling apart.

00:26:02.540 The squalor is unbelievable.

00:26:05.020 Nobody's asking the question, where did all that money go?

00:26:07.080 Because there's only a few thousand people there who just got $1.2 billion.

00:26:11.260 They should be doing pretty good.

00:26:12.300 And I got charged with trespassing for having dared to show that video, which, of course, I'm challenging through the courts now.

00:26:18.820 But the federal government answer of just no accountability and tossing money at the issue isn't helping anybody.

00:26:26.140 The citizens on the ground on these reserves, as I illustrated, nor the people who have to pay that bill.

00:26:31.240 So at least the province is working closer and trying to work directly with that to make better places for Albertan citizens on these reserves.

00:26:37.580 Yeah, yeah, they shouldn't be left behind or just offered zero transparency because of ethnicity.

00:26:47.980 I would suggest that that is a racist system, systemic racism, as the left loves to say.

00:26:54.000 It's exactly what it is.

00:26:55.200 I mean, even the name of the Indian Act sort of tells you that.

00:26:58.200 Yeah.

00:26:59.700 Corey, before I let you go, because I said that I would take up 20 minutes of your time and we're at 23 minutes.

00:27:05.100 I want to give you an opportunity to tell people how they can get their copy of the Sovereignist Handbook.

00:27:09.980 I said I would sell 50 of these books.

00:27:12.100 I set that goal.

00:27:13.240 I made it to 45.

00:27:14.880 People at home, help me out.

00:27:16.600 Buy another five from Corey, please.

00:27:18.720 Certainly.

00:27:19.160 If you could help Sheila relax and buy another five of those books.

00:27:22.580 They're available on Amazon.

00:27:24.460 If you just go on there and search Sovereignist's Handbook or I believe even Corey Morgan, you'll find the book on there.

00:27:30.560 And, of course, as per usual, after going to Edmonton and not having enough of the books, I always keep a large ready supply.

00:27:36.820 So if I'm at any speaking events, I'll almost always have a bunch with me that I could sell on the spot.

00:27:41.780 I'll make sure I put a link in the show notes, too, so that people can just click through and buy.

00:27:46.760 And then I will feel a lot better about my personal goal that I set for myself.

00:27:50.780 Corey, thanks so much for coming on the show.

00:27:53.560 Thanks so much for your level head on the Sovereignist issue.

00:27:58.040 And ultimately, at the end of the day, this is a decision that will be decided by Albertans, for Albertans.

00:28:06.700 And we're not going to let the people who have been the problem all these years tell us to sit down and shut up.

00:28:13.840 No, we have the right to vote and it doesn't get any more democratic than that.

00:28:16.740 All right.

00:28:25.780 The last portion of the show is really yours.

00:28:28.260 You become the guest in segment three.

00:28:30.880 Because without you, there's no rebel news.

00:28:32.540 We'll never take a penny from, I was going to say Mark Carney, but now it's Justin Trudeau as if there's any difference.

00:28:38.220 To do the work that we do to hold all levels of government to account, including the governments we kind of like, like the one here in Alberta.

00:28:47.200 If we're not working hard to make sure that they stay conservative, we end up with Jason Kenney.

00:28:53.380 Right?

00:28:53.900 And we don't want that again, obviously.

00:28:56.120 So, I open up the last segment of the show to you.

00:29:01.460 I want to hear from you.

00:29:02.540 If you've got viewer feedback about my interview with Corey, send it to me.

00:29:08.180 Sheila at rebelnews.com.

00:29:09.760 Put gun show letters in the subject line so I know why you're emailing me.

00:29:13.600 Because, boy, do I get a bunch of emails every single day.

00:29:16.480 And it gets worse depending on the controversial things that I've said on the internet that day.

00:29:22.720 But don't let that be the only way to get in touch with me.

00:29:26.120 If, for example, you've shared a free clip of the show with your friends, which is a great way to introduce them to the work that we do here at Rebel News.

00:29:35.060 So, there are free clips all the time on Rumble or on YouTube.

00:29:39.180 Encourage them to leave comments there.

00:29:41.960 Because, while comments show that you're engaging with our content more, which forces the algorithm to serve up our content in front of more people,

00:29:52.960 which evangelizes the good word of freedom to more and more people all the time.

00:29:58.220 But it also might help convert your friends and family to Rebel News supporters, too.

00:30:05.020 So, these comments come from the YouTube clip of my interview last week with my friend, Michelle Sterling, from Friends of Science.

00:30:17.960 And let's get into it.

00:30:19.580 You know, it's just been a little bit since I had Michelle on.

00:30:34.240 But normally, she's about a once a month, once every two months guest.

00:30:40.080 It's just that the election campaign, the prorogation of Parliament before that, it sucked up a lot of the oxygen and bandwidth for a lot of the things that I normally talk about,

00:30:53.560 like the climate scare and stuff like that.

00:30:55.940 So, I promise Michelle will be on more, her time permitting, of course.

00:31:02.300 Samsung S23 EB7FN says,

00:31:06.500 It would be terrible if Alberta started getting its own oil. 1.00

00:31:09.940 I think you mean getting our own oil to market.

00:31:12.480 Because we already have our own oil, the world's third largest proven oil and gas reserves.

00:31:18.860 We just can't manage to get it to world markets because of the purposeful, bureaucratic roadblocks thrown up by our friend in Confederation in Ottawa.

00:31:37.500 It would be like Abu Dhabi with safe streets, beautiful infrastructure, and everyone owning a Lamborghini.

00:31:46.620 Look, I think a lot of people just want to own a house.

00:31:50.800 Like, the bar is pretty low.

00:31:54.640 And I think people just want to chart their own future.

00:31:57.300 I think for a lot of people, shedding the shackles of Ottawa would make Alberta instantly richer.

00:32:09.960 But it's not even about being rich, I don't think.

00:32:15.300 It's about being allowed to achieve and being allowed to capitalize on our opportunities.

00:32:31.580 And right now we have control from a culturally incompatible federal government telling us what we can and cannot do.

00:32:42.640 Alberta is not just a geographical location.

00:32:47.340 It's a way of thinking.

00:32:49.440 And it's also thinking that nobody else can tell us what to think either.

00:32:56.540 All right, Jack Stand 6165 writes,

00:33:02.500 Ireland just surpassed Canada in manufacturing output growth with one-eighth of the population.

00:33:09.660 Let that sink in.

00:33:10.540 A small island nation is outbuilding us, outpacing us, and attracting the world's top manufacturers while we regulate ourselves into stagnation.

00:33:17.740 Canada's manufacturing once built empires, now bureaucracy, taxes, and complacency.

00:33:23.620 I'll throw in something else.

00:33:25.180 Green regulations, which I suppose could be under taxes, but also bureaucracy also.

00:33:31.300 Meanwhile, Ireland lures global investment with low taxes, trains a skilled export-focused workforce, embraces innovation in pharma, tech, and clean industry.

00:33:41.700 We have the land, the resources, the people, the legacy, but we're being passed by countries that want it more.

00:33:48.860 If we don't change course, Canada risks becoming little more than a raw resource colony.

00:33:54.200 If, I mean, to be a colony would be even better than what we are right now, because, at least as Albertans, because colonies exist to have their resources extracted.

00:34:10.440 We don't even do that.

00:34:12.000 Like, we don't even allow that.

00:34:13.540 While watching others add the value and reap the wealth.

00:34:17.540 This isn't just economic.

00:34:22.100 It's existential.

00:34:23.220 Yeah, I believe it is.

00:34:25.000 I believe it is.

00:34:26.080 And so when you hear that, ask yourself why Albertans want to unchain themselves from the anchor of Canada.

00:34:37.620 Right.

00:34:39.080 I think a lot of you understand.

00:34:41.340 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:34:43.560 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:34:45.200 I'll see everybody back here in the same time, maybe in the same place next week.

00:34:49.140 But I promise you will always have a show.

00:34:50.860 And as always, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:35:20.860 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - May 22, 2025

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Jason Kenney, Kris Wells, and Jann Arden： The faces of Alberta's anti-independence freakout

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