After the election results, the Sovereignist movement here in Alberta became superheated, but temperature is coming down a little, but it s still percolating. And with that, a lot of people on the other side are losing their marbles in their best efforts to keep Albertans in the country.
00:00:00.000I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
00:00:30.000The Sovereignist movement here in Alberta is maintaining a slow momentum after the post-election spike that it had after the Liberals were rewarded for 10 years of corruption and incompetence by voters in the eastern parts of this country.
00:00:54.280With another term, a lot of baby separatists were born here in the West.
00:00:59.760And so after the election results, the Sovereignist movement here in Alberta became superheated.
00:01:07.340But temperature is coming down a little, but it's still percolating.
00:01:15.880And with that, a lot of people on the other side are losing their marbles in their best efforts to scare people into staying.
00:01:27.840In fact, here is Canadian recording artist Jen Arden making her best arguments to keep Albertans in the country.
00:01:48.260You're an embarrassment to this country.
00:01:50.540Everything you have, everything that you have enjoyed, cherished, and benefited from comes from being part of one of the greatest countries on the planet.
00:02:00.840You guys have your heads so far up your asses that you obviously can't see what pricks you are, the way you are treating indigenous people, the way you are treating your fellow citizens, your fellow Canadians.
00:02:15.600You guys are a bunch of creepy little pricks.
00:02:20.800Alberta will never separate from Canada.
00:02:22.920It's never going to happen because people like me are going to stand up, throw their shoulders back, and keep fucking yelling and keep standing up for what I know is right.
00:02:54.640Justin Trudeau's radical sex activist senator from Alberta, Chris Wells, is making threats, saying that, sure, Albertans can vote to leave, but they'll get no pension.
00:03:07.300They'll have their citizenships revoked and a whole host of other things from the liberals who are perfectly fine with terrorists.
00:03:17.180Foreign-born terrorists maintaining their Canadian citizenship, Albertans born of two Canadian citizens would not be able to keep their citizenship under the twisted logic of the liberal senator from Alberta.
00:03:36.600But he also is not the only crazy person making this completely unhinged and, I think, not grounded in law argument.
00:03:45.380Alberta's former premier, Jason Kenney, who once underestimated the anger of Albertans, particularly on his mishandling of COVID.
00:03:55.580He's making many of the same arguments, and as the former immigration minister of this country, he should know better.
00:04:01.960Now, joining me to discuss this and more is my friend and Alberta Sovereignist, Corey Morgan.
00:04:19.620He's a senior columnist at the Western Standard, a columnist at the Epoch Times and the author of the, and I don't think I'm exaggerating here, and I will take some credit for it, the best-selling book,
00:04:31.320The Sovereignist Handbook, Charting the Course to Western Independence.
00:04:35.120And Corey has been very gracious with his time as Rebel News is planning town halls, we've held two already, about the prospect of Western separation or Western sovereignty.
00:04:46.560I would consider him an expert in this and a bit of a historian on Western separation.
00:04:54.920And we're getting told, Corey, to shut up because they will take all of our benefits of being Canadian away, the things we paid into.
00:05:07.500And so I just, I thought I'd have you on to discuss that and the usual suspects rearing their ugly heads.
00:05:13.360But before we get into that, if I've missed something about who and what you are, now's your chance to fill in the blanks.
00:05:19.520Oh, you've covered it better than I ever could. Thank you.
00:05:21.820Now, our former premier, who underestimated the anger of Albertans once already, has learned nothing, Jason Kenney,
00:05:30.820and joined by the likes of Senator for Alberta, Professor Chris Wells, who's a radical sex activist.
00:05:40.460The two of them have popped up to say that, okay, fine, you can be separatists, you can even leave the country,
00:05:47.320but you're not taking your pensions with you, you're not taking your citizenship with you,
00:05:53.120you're not taking any of the things that you've paid into for all this time.
00:06:49.340So we will get our pound of flesh one way or another.
00:06:52.400Jason Kenney and that creepy Mr. Wells can go on all they like on this.
00:06:58.400If anything, I mean, Wells really represents part of why we want to leave.
00:07:01.080If that man does not represent virtually anybody in Alberta, yet he's one of our senators.
00:07:06.700So go ahead, you know, Jason, go ahead, Mr. Wells.
00:07:10.120You're only making my job easier as a person who's trying to bring Alberta to the tipping point of independence.
00:07:15.460I mean, Chris Wells, the fact that he is a senator at all speaks to the problem with the relationship between Alberta and Ottawa.
00:07:24.740It is, or at least it has been before Justin Trudeau came along.
00:07:30.180It was an accepted thing that Albertans, to avoid opening up the Constitution, we would elect our senators and then they would be appointed by the prime minister.
00:07:42.900And that had happened just fine and dandy until Prime Minister Justin Trudeau came along and disregarded the will of the people.
00:07:50.320I think Mike Shaikh was the senator-in-waiting.
00:07:53.500And instead we got Justin Trudeau's selection, Paula Simons.
00:08:17.460Our culture, I think, was completely disregarded in that choice.
00:08:20.580And now he's sitting with his healthy taxpayer salary telling the rest of us to sit down, shut up or else.
00:08:27.740Well, yeah, I mean, in appointing Wells as a senator, Justin did as the Carney supporter standing there with his middle fingers extended to everybody else.
00:08:37.300Because, okay, fine, you're not going to accept elected senators.
00:08:42.640But if you really at all cared about the system, if you really were even a little bit genuine, you would find it, you know, there's a few relatively moderate liberals you could have put in that position.
00:08:52.380I would even say Paula Simons, okay, she's always been a lefty, but that's a little bit acceptable.
00:08:56.240But to get a weirdo activist, and that's what Wells is, I mean, as far left as you can find and put them in as a senator, that is extending a middle finger to the province.
00:09:06.760That's saying, you know, not just, I'm not going to respect your elected senators, but I'm going to go as far to the polar opposite side of what you want and stick that in there on your behalf.
00:09:16.920He can sit there as a testament to just how broken and embedded our system is and lets us know what central Canada and the leadership thinks of us.
00:09:26.240Yeah, I mean, if there was ever a colonizer, that dude is it.
00:09:32.580Now, I want to talk to you a little bit more about the threats of Canadian citizenship being revoked from Alberta separatists, if they so choose.
00:09:42.740And I think that's the point I want to keep reiterating here, it is up for Albertans to choose, that their citizenship would be taken away upon leaving Confederation.
00:09:54.720Within the Commonwealth, that's really not how it's been.
00:09:58.300When Ireland seceded, I guess, from the UK, those Irish citizens also got to keep their British citizenship.
00:10:10.980And even if that were something that Albertans didn't want, or a vast majority of Albertans didn't want, by virtue of having two Canadian parents, don't they get to qualify for Canadian citizenship?
00:10:28.040I mean, I'm not taking advice about this from a prime minister with like a handful of citizenships.
00:10:33.360Well, I hope that when the time comes, they're just not that bitter.
00:10:38.180As you said, other nations would have, you know, parted ways and still remain part of the Commonwealth, maintain that good relationship and accepting that there's common citizenry among them.
00:10:48.920But to be honest, if we're at the point where, you know, a clear majority of the province has voted to leave, I don't think people care.
00:10:54.940We're going to have Alberta passports, fine.
00:10:57.100And if you guys want to have a visa program, I'll vacation somewhere else.
00:11:02.760I mean, these are neighbouring nations now, which would presumably, as most neighbouring nations should, have a strong trade relationship, a lot of travel between the two.
00:11:12.060And if Canada wants to be so stupid as to shut us out, we'll travel south.
00:12:21.820And again, Chris Wells, he's a senator in a government that said that terrorists should be able to keep their Canadian citizenship.
00:12:33.460You know, they're the Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian kind of people, even if they are immigrants to Canada who commit terrorism on the homeland soil.
00:12:42.100And yet, for them, the real problem might be Albertans who want to do something else than stay in confederation.
00:13:02.700I mean, some of it, to be a little fair, and John Bolton, a broadcaster, brought that up quite well, was that there was a group that kind of put out, started talking a little almost like that sovereignty association thing.
00:13:15.960For people from the 90s who might remember the Quebec referendum, they started to try and ride both sides of the razor there and say, well, we're going to be fully independent for the people they were speaking to when they wanted full independence.
00:13:25.840But others there say, no, we'll have sovereignty of association, so we'll still have the currency and the citizenship and all the benefits, but we'll just have all that independence.
00:13:33.500And in playing both sides, that's what led to the Clarity Act, actually, is because they were kind of disingenuous with what they were putting out there.
00:13:40.920So one group was kind of putting out stuff that sounded similar to that 1995 thing, and I noticed they pulled it off their website since.
00:13:47.500But that's what Kenny latched onto, and Wells, and saying, look at these separatists, they're claiming they're going to get all this stuff even after they leave, and that's not the case.
00:13:57.320And then, of course, they expanded on that into the citizenship and the CPP.
00:14:00.640So some of it lands, too, on the decentralized nature of the independence movement, though, and inconsistent messaging.
00:14:09.320They do have to get it clear, because the opponents are going to pounce when they see opportunities like this, and that's sort of what happened.
00:14:14.600Right. That is a problem right now, although it is early days, but there has been no sort of messaging that's coalesced around one group.
00:14:26.040And I know that some of the groups are talking about sort of coming together, but we haven't seen that sort of formalized quite yet.
00:14:35.940And the other side of this debate is going to capitalize on that, and I think the lack of refined messaging coming out of some of these camps.
00:14:57.080But when we're talking about something that starts to get as nuanced and detailed as bringing a nation into independence from another, we do have to have some deeper discussions, some policy discussions, and consistency.
00:15:10.740We can't have multiple figures standing up saying they represent a movement and proposing different things.
00:15:16.760Though how we stop that, I don't know, because, of course, every group has a right to form and speak.
00:15:21.800But with no central voice representing that, it's going to be a challenge.
00:15:27.620We'll see if somebody rises, I guess, out of it and starts to pull it together.
00:17:12.600I would assume and hope that the system says, no, it's not a valid question to be asked in a referendum.
00:17:17.320If you want to stay, there's one ongoing, and then you vote against that.
00:17:21.580That's, you know, rather than having dueling referendums going on or referenda.
00:17:26.060The other part, though, which is interesting, is that a lot of people seem to think it's going to be easy to trigger these.
00:17:31.800And I mean, if Lukasik on a whim wants to try and get one of these going, I say some people on both sides, supportive and against the initiative, don't understand just how hard it is to get 177,000 signatures.
00:17:45.320In reality, you will need 200,000 because a lot will be written outside the lines or illegible or the wrong address.
00:18:09.080A real petition is a heck of a lot of work.
00:18:11.440So I do believe the independence movement is motivated enough to get that done.
00:18:15.780But for people which is basically a troll petition, for the probably six figures of work, you know, spending and work and thousands of volunteers that would be required to pull that off, I just doubt it'll come about.
00:18:28.920So I think he's kind of trolling, but we'll see.
00:18:30.880I mean, they have the right to petition all they like.
00:18:33.340Yeah, I look forward to seeing Jason Kenney, Thomas Lukasik, Chris Wells, and Jen Arden working hand in hand on their little counter petition.
00:18:44.760And I think based on what we've seen with some of these recounts, I hope everybody has learned that quite literally every vote counts.
00:18:54.060You know, when we see ridings go to the Liberals on one vote and other votes are tossed out, or as is the case in British Columbia, roughly 900 of them just not counted because they were lost for a time.
00:19:10.900And if you feel strongly about this, you have to get involved or at least make sure your voice is heard by casting that ballot.
00:19:20.180Oh, yeah. I mean, at the very least, casting your ballot.
00:19:24.860And part of what has to be understood out of this movement, especially when you don't have a party system or a party that's kind of leading the charge on this, citizens have to get up.
00:20:20.460You know, she had a couple, I'll give it credit, you know, decent songs kind of in the 90s.
00:20:24.280But really, he's just kind of, in any real world, would have really faded away and been playing the small town bar circuit by now.
00:20:30.020But when you've got CBC to kind of keep giving you specials, even though nobody's watching them, then you can make a pretty good living on being a has-been.
00:20:37.180But, you know, and an independent movement threatens that.
00:21:58.800Nothing that would preclude the ability to hold an independence referendum.
00:22:03.600Most of them are defining the extents of the land.
00:22:06.340Which, you know, that can be debated and argued about.
00:22:08.860If there was a referendum saying that we were going to dissolve the reserves and the land that was set aside by treaties, then yes, we've got a problem.
00:23:48.840And I think Keith laid out the scenarios for indigenous people.
00:23:54.140They could actually, the reserves could stay within Canada and the rest of us leave.
00:23:58.500But as you say, if there is a people being absolutely screwed by the feds, I would suggest it is the indigenous people in their own words, by the way.
00:24:09.160Those rented chiefs are suddenly in love with colonialism.
00:24:12.280Like, oh, please, don't break the status quo.
00:24:14.940Yet the month before, they're screaming that they're being oppressed and pushed down and screwed.
00:24:19.220It just always seems to depend on what side their bread's buttered on, the number of those.
00:24:22.740I mean, there's some good chiefs out there, too, and some good leadership, but there's some pretty bad actors who kind of speak ostensibly on behalf of their citizens.
00:24:30.820And I don't think that's who they're really serving.
00:24:37.440There are things that have been transferred to different levels of government and things that different levels of government have just taken on because the feds are refusing to do their job.
00:24:47.800For example, indigenous health care is the purview of the feds, but Alberta is building drug treatment facilities on reserve because we're not about to let our indigenous people die for lack of treatment because the feds won't do their jobs and build out drug treatment capacity.
00:25:23.680They've decided that they're just leaving the indigenous people behind.
00:25:27.280So there's a lot of opportunity, I think, from the let's get out of here side to speak to indigenous communities and say like, hey, you couldn't be worse off.
00:26:12.300And I got charged with trespassing for having dared to show that video, which, of course, I'm challenging through the courts now.
00:26:18.820But the federal government answer of just no accountability and tossing money at the issue isn't helping anybody.
00:26:26.140The citizens on the ground on these reserves, as I illustrated, nor the people who have to pay that bill.
00:26:31.240So at least the province is working closer and trying to work directly with that to make better places for Albertan citizens on these reserves.
00:26:37.580Yeah, yeah, they shouldn't be left behind or just offered zero transparency because of ethnicity.
00:26:47.980I would suggest that that is a racist system, systemic racism, as the left loves to say.
00:28:25.780The last portion of the show is really yours.
00:28:28.260You become the guest in segment three.
00:28:30.880Because without you, there's no rebel news.
00:28:32.540We'll never take a penny from, I was going to say Mark Carney, but now it's Justin Trudeau as if there's any difference.
00:28:38.220To do the work that we do to hold all levels of government to account, including the governments we kind of like, like the one here in Alberta.
00:28:47.200If we're not working hard to make sure that they stay conservative, we end up with Jason Kenney.
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00:30:05.020So, these comments come from the YouTube clip of my interview last week with my friend, Michelle Sterling, from Friends of Science.
00:30:19.580You know, it's just been a little bit since I had Michelle on.
00:30:34.240But normally, she's about a once a month, once every two months guest.
00:30:40.080It's just that the election campaign, the prorogation of Parliament before that, it sucked up a lot of the oxygen and bandwidth for a lot of the things that I normally talk about,
00:30:53.560like the climate scare and stuff like that.
00:30:55.940So, I promise Michelle will be on more, her time permitting, of course.
00:31:06.500It would be terrible if Alberta started getting its own oil.
00:31:09.940I think you mean getting our own oil to market.
00:31:12.480Because we already have our own oil, the world's third largest proven oil and gas reserves.
00:31:18.860We just can't manage to get it to world markets because of the purposeful, bureaucratic roadblocks thrown up by our friend in Confederation in Ottawa.
00:31:37.500It would be like Abu Dhabi with safe streets, beautiful infrastructure, and everyone owning a Lamborghini.
00:31:46.620Look, I think a lot of people just want to own a house.
00:33:10.540A small island nation is outbuilding us, outpacing us, and attracting the world's top manufacturers while we regulate ourselves into stagnation.
00:33:17.740Canada's manufacturing once built empires, now bureaucracy, taxes, and complacency.
00:33:25.180Green regulations, which I suppose could be under taxes, but also bureaucracy also.
00:33:31.300Meanwhile, Ireland lures global investment with low taxes, trains a skilled export-focused workforce, embraces innovation in pharma, tech, and clean industry.
00:33:41.700We have the land, the resources, the people, the legacy, but we're being passed by countries that want it more.
00:33:48.860If we don't change course, Canada risks becoming little more than a raw resource colony.
00:33:54.200If, I mean, to be a colony would be even better than what we are right now, because, at least as Albertans, because colonies exist to have their resources extracted.