Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Liberals delay euthanasia expansion for three years but our MAID documentary project is well underway

00:00:00.040 What's going on in Canada's culture of death? I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:22.520 Hey everybody, I'm sure you noticed a bit of a change in scenery.

00:00:26.120 I'm out on the road with my friend and videographer, Kian Simone, actually.

00:00:31.560 He's the chief documentary filmmaker here at Rebel News.

00:00:34.360 And the reason we're traveling right now, currently in Ottawa, in an Airbnb that we're using as a studio and HQ,

00:00:42.800 is that we are working on our documentary on Canada's medical assistance in dying.

00:00:48.900 It's called Made, The Dark Side of Canadian Compassion.

00:00:52.980 And we just wanted to give you an update about the status of the documentary.

00:00:57.020 I know many of you have contributed, and if you'd like to, you can do that at madedocumentary.com.

00:01:04.200 But we're hard at work.

00:01:05.620 We've gathered up a bunch of interviews already, people from all walks of life.

00:01:10.700 And I thought, since I owe you folks a gun show, that we would sit down and just give you a bit of an update

00:01:19.600 and tell you a little bit of what we've heard so far.

00:01:23.280 Just a bit of a sneak peek for our regular viewers.

00:01:26.960 Kian, thanks for taking the time, since you were sitting on the other side of the table just a couple minutes ago.

00:01:31.740 And you can't go anywhere without me because I have the keys to the rental car.

00:01:35.200 This has been a challenging documentary because we're crisscrossing the country.

00:01:45.540 We were in BC last week.

00:01:46.720 We're in Ontario this week.

00:01:48.180 We're in Toronto.

00:01:49.220 We're in London, Ottawa.

00:01:52.200 But the stories are tough to listen to.

00:01:55.580 I didn't realize it would be that hard to hear from some of these families.

00:02:00.600 And I don't know why I thought that because we are stepping into them to hear the story of the day a nuclear bomb went off in the middle of their lives.

00:02:09.300 It takes a lot to have to remove yourself from the interview and just listen and not have the sniffles in the background while I'm pressing record.

00:02:18.380 Yeah, it's tough.

00:02:19.760 One of the reasons we're in Ottawa right now is because we attended a summit on MAID, what I think is probably Canada's largest summit on medical assistance and dying.

00:02:31.280 And it was about the Christian response to MAID.

00:02:35.100 And so we're trying to go and get stories from all aspects of this issue.

00:02:40.420 Families who are supportive of MAID but disagree with how it happened to them, people who have experienced MAID in their family under the previous protocols, people who have been offered MAID but were basically perfectly healthy.

00:02:58.040 Tell us, you know, give us a little bit of a sneak preview of some of the things we're going to include in the documentary.

00:03:04.460 I think the not so funny part about that is we had a plan to talk to people.

00:03:12.140 And while we were in places like BC, you would just get an email saying, hey, this is happening because we had that email that went out asking people stories.

00:03:20.480 So we'd already be somewhere and then we'd get an email saying this happened three, six months ago.

00:03:25.580 And we're like, OK, now we have another interview.

00:03:28.160 And I think some of our most important interviews came that way. 0.96

00:03:36.040 And I think in regards to a sneak peek, it really is just like that sporadic moment of holy ass, like holy crap, this is the craziest thing that I've ever heard with MAID beyond the veteran stories.

00:03:49.800 And I can't even give a sneak peek on the one I want to give a sneak peek on because we have some big news coming with that.

00:03:59.700 But I think it's just it has been hard, but it also has been it's been a very great feeling knowing that we're doing such important work on such an important story.

00:04:10.680 Yeah, I mean, one of the big stories that we can't really talk about, but I'm glad to say that we were involved and were able to do just a little bit more than tell the story came to us when we were sitting at the airport waiting for our respective flights to come home.

00:04:28.940 You were headed back to Calgary and me to Edmonton, and then you were on the phone as we were waiting for our flights to come in.

00:04:35.020 And one of the things I've noticed, and I've said this to people who ask us sort of why we're making the documentary, is that our emails are divided when they come to us.

00:04:48.660 It is people who, as you say, are saying, I've got a crazy story to tell.

00:04:53.620 You're never going to believe what's happening to my family or my grandma or whomever.

00:04:59.520 And the other half of the emails I'm getting are people saying, Sheila and Kian, it's nowhere near as bad as what you're presenting it to be.

00:05:09.040 They are not actively trying to kill people who are not within hours of their imminent death.

00:05:15.220 They're not already trying to kill the mentally ill. 0.70

00:05:18.200 You guys are exaggerating. 0.72

00:05:19.440 This is just a conspiracy theory.

00:05:20.940 And for me, those two sides are exactly why we have to do the documentary, because there are so many important stories to be told, because those stories are going to be what informs that other group of people who think that we are just completely off our rockers.

00:05:37.880 I would say that I would, before we did the start of this documentary, I sat with the people who would email us and say, it can't be that crazy.

00:05:46.560 It can't be that bad.

00:05:48.900 And my line was crossed before that, when they started talking about adding people with mental illness to the expansion.

00:05:58.980 But this documentary, it felt more like it was yours at the time, before.

00:06:04.060 And I was happy to do it, of course.

00:06:08.120 But now I feel like it's mine, because I now stand with the other side.

00:06:11.900 And I think a little bit more extreme that this should not be a thing at all.

00:06:17.780 I know people who have gotten made, and inside it kind of made sense why they got it.

00:06:24.840 And just after hearing more, with my job, I'm 20% removed from a lot of the stories that I don't particularly have my foot in, because I'm working on bigger, not bigger stories, but other big stories that I can't really diverge my attention over.

00:06:45.020 But now that I have, it's been insane.

00:06:47.300 So yeah, I stand with the other side now.

00:06:50.020 Yeah, I think it's a testament, though, to you as a filmmaker.

00:06:52.980 And I think as, I don't want to even say that you're a conservative, but I think the political spectrum is close-minded and not willing to hear the other side.

00:07:02.560 And people who are willing to listen and are open to their viewpoints changing.

00:07:06.900 And I think that's how you approach this.

00:07:10.740 Your mind wasn't turned off to hearing the arguments from people who say, we opened a door here the day we made this legal for people whose deaths were imminent, and something else marched through, and now we don't know how to close that door.

00:07:26.760 Yeah, and I guess looking at a lot of the opposition to made, 90% of it I want to say, and from what I saw, was just from the more religious folk.

00:07:39.340 And as many people who watch this show know, I'm not religious at all, and I have trouble standing with them on a lot of the stuff that they...

00:07:48.280 Right. You look at it through a secular worldview, you knew that the pastors who were being arrested, being arrested for going to church was wrong.

00:07:56.760 Yeah. But you didn't have to believe in what they believed to feel that way, and I think you're approaching this kind of the same way.

00:08:04.500 Yeah, so it's been great to put 100% of my attention in on being able to look at it, set aside from the religious perspective,

00:08:14.220 and then also set aside from the perspective of when I came into it, where I kind of agreed with the first stage of made, but now I don't.

00:08:20.960 So I think it's going to be great for the documentary, too, because I'm going to be able to make it from that perspective of kind of an evolution of made,

00:08:31.000 of when the majority of Canadians said, okay, this kind of makes sense.

00:08:35.180 Right.

00:08:35.620 Some people, it's a way out, and then it's going to kind of go along into, no, it's not the way out.

00:08:44.400 Right.

00:08:44.720 And here are the people that you should not be trusting your way out with.

00:08:49.740 Right. Yeah. And, you know, we're stepping, as I said, into families who are explaining the worst tragedy that has ever happened to them.

00:08:58.160 And for them, we've heard, you know, where's the compassion for us?

00:09:05.320 There is no end to our suffering, because this was not just done to our loved one, but it was also done to us.

00:09:13.080 And there's very little support for those people.

00:09:16.400 We have these well-funded activists, like Dying With Dignity, pushing and advancing this agenda for anybody who feels an inconvenience in their lives at this point.

00:09:27.580 And it's families that are just ruined in the wake of it.

00:09:32.600 Yeah, I think the most powerful thing I've heard in a month now of interviewing people is someone said that when you decide that my life is not worth living anymore, your compassion is a threat to my life.

00:09:48.040 Yeah.

00:09:49.260 It really stuck with me.

00:09:50.940 Yeah.

00:09:51.360 I think I might open up the documentary with that quote.

00:09:54.000 That's great. That's great.

00:09:55.620 Now, for people who don't know, can you sort of set out the kinds of people that we're talking to?

00:10:07.580 Because it's not just families.

00:10:09.360 It's not just people who've experienced this.

00:10:11.060 We're really trying to get a global view of what's unfolding in Canada.

00:10:16.760 Yeah, I think it's starting with, I think, the most important people to talk to are the families.

00:10:23.660 Right.

00:10:24.080 And also the people who kind of survived this.

00:10:26.820 Mm-hmm.

00:10:28.260 But we're also talking to activists who are along our side with kind of the angle that we're going to.

00:10:35.920 And veterans who are alongside other veterans who were offered it and veterans who were offered it.

00:10:45.200 Mm-hmm.

00:10:45.660 And also talking to smart people, as I like to call them.

00:10:48.940 People who are really, you know, physicians.

00:10:52.460 Yes.

00:10:52.860 They're in it.

00:10:53.720 They are opposed to it.

00:10:55.060 Or I would love to even speak with a physician who is with it.

00:10:59.060 Yeah.

00:10:59.620 As you know, we reached out.

00:11:01.860 No one would.

00:11:02.340 So it really is a broad spectrum.

00:11:07.740 A lot of, I saw a lot of emails that came in.

00:11:10.700 And especially to our forum that we offered people to tell their story so that we could do it.

00:11:15.840 And a lot of the negative ones were assuming that we wouldn't talk to people who are on the other side of pro-made.

00:11:23.640 And it really got me thinking, when I made the trucker documentary, I would have loved to speak to someone who is anti-trucker.

00:11:31.220 Right.

00:11:31.580 I think you can be anti-blocking all the roads in Ottawa.

00:11:37.300 I think that's fair.

00:11:38.240 You can do that.

00:11:39.180 Right.

00:11:39.420 If you are on the other political side.

00:11:42.000 I would have loved to speak to someone with Church Under Fire who has said, you know, that COVID is whatever and these people shouldn't have opened up their churches.

00:11:49.380 I could have spoken with them.

00:11:50.540 I'm sure you could have too and have like a big, broad spectrum of opinions.

00:11:56.820 And I think it would have worked.

00:11:58.040 But with this, I don't care to speak to the other side because I don't think it's a political issue.

00:12:03.300 They're literally killing people.

00:12:05.080 Yeah.

00:12:05.500 I have a lot of nastier things that I would want to say.

00:12:08.380 Yeah.

00:12:08.560 And, you know, there is always a time for dialogue, but I don't think it when it comes to killing people that you need to speak to them.

00:12:17.220 Right.

00:12:17.400 Like, you don't need to speak to them.

00:12:19.120 Yeah.

00:12:20.720 And frankly, these people don't need to speak to us.

00:12:23.540 They are the ones constantly courted in the media. 0.81

00:12:26.380 They are the ones constantly courted by the government and funded by the government to advance this agenda.

00:12:31.060 They have everybody in the whole wide world to speak to.

00:12:33.140 They have the entire mainstream media.

00:12:35.760 Their ideas are already being pushed in the House of Commons.

00:12:39.400 I think it's our job, as we say at Rebel News, to tell the other side of the story.

00:12:43.400 And I think that's exactly what we're doing here.

00:12:46.020 We're telling the stories of the people who are being shut out.

00:12:50.180 And, you know, considering things that I hadn't considered, and I think about issues of life, because I look at this through a religious worldview, but I also look at it through a scientific worldview.

00:13:03.940 So I'm one of those people who thinks, you know, we're created in the image of God, and that makes us worthy of life.

00:13:12.100 And I don't think suffering is a fatal illness.

00:13:16.540 I think suffering is part of the human condition, as Jordan Peterson would say.

00:13:20.800 But we're hearing things that I had never considered.

00:13:24.700 And I would like to think that I'm somewhat attuned to what's going on with MAID, like the actual process of what happens, like the actual medicines that a doctor or a nurse practitioner, in the case of Canada, will come and administer you a series of cocktails.

00:13:44.200 I'd also never even thought of how it happens.

00:13:50.120 Like we heard that in Ontario, it's like literally less than a handful of people who are administering this to themselves, which is an option.

00:14:00.180 It's almost exclusively medical killing.

00:14:02.520 I had never even considered that.

00:14:05.600 I just thought people were taking the prescription, going home and dying quietly at home.

00:14:10.240 That's not at all what's happening.

00:14:11.620 It's sort of systemic and sterile and assembly-lined.

00:14:17.860 The way I look at it, as I said before, my line was crossed when they opened it up to a mental illness, or at least tried to.

00:14:25.080 And they will. 0.99

00:14:25.880 They would have loved to kill me when I was 18, so they can kick rocks. 0.99

00:14:29.160 Yeah. 0.98

00:14:29.360 Yeah, and we've heard that over and over again.

00:14:32.520 We've heard that some of the family members who are left behind say,

00:14:36.740 my depression was so bad in the wake of this maid death, that if it were open to the mentally ill, I would have accessed this too. 0.73

00:14:44.440 And I'm so glad it wasn't available to me.

00:14:47.340 We're hearing over and over, like young people saying, if I were able to do this when I was 18, I would have done it.

00:14:54.760 But look at me now.

00:14:55.680 And you're saying that too.

00:14:58.240 People like that, they have the will.

00:15:00.540 And I don't disagree that they don't.

00:15:02.520 Because a lot of people who struggle with suicidality, like myself, they have the will to do it.

00:15:07.740 But they don't have the means.

00:15:09.560 Yeah.

00:15:09.860 A lot of people don't really think about what goes on inside their head when they're actually vulnerable with themselves, when they struggle with suicidality.

00:15:16.540 They can ask themselves questions that other people could never have asked, like, who's going to find my body?

00:15:24.260 Who do I want to find my body?

00:15:25.400 It takes that all out of it.

00:15:26.940 Yeah.

00:15:27.180 It removes everything that nobody really – and it's not their fault that they don't think about it.

00:15:32.380 And I don't blame them for wanting, for not thinking about it.

00:15:35.180 No.

00:15:35.200 But that's what people think about.

00:15:36.840 And that is the means of which the government can give them that opportunity that they would have otherly not had.

00:15:46.360 Right.

00:15:46.660 It removes that little bit of sober second thought, you know, like, oh, my God, I don't want my mom or my dad to find me in my closet.

00:15:54.920 Or what if nobody finds my body?

00:15:59.500 Or is it going to hurt?

00:16:01.620 Well, no.

00:16:02.040 You have a doctor saying, actually, I'm going to administer this first drug.

00:16:05.380 Yeah, just close your eyes.

00:16:06.240 Then you'll just close your eyes.

00:16:07.600 And then the next drug is going to be a paralytic so that you just stop breathing.

00:16:13.180 You suffocate because your muscles don't contract anymore.

00:16:16.720 And it's all those objections that would make someone say, look, I want to go, but I can't do this, which I think is an objection that saves a lot of lives.

00:16:29.580 That's gone.

00:16:30.460 And that's very frightening, especially when you see just how MAID has skyrocketed, like growing exponentially, 30% year over year consistently, so that it's becoming one of the leading causes of death in this country.

00:16:46.100 And I think higher than we could imagine, because in B.C. and Ontario, they have recommended that doctors don't put MAID on the death certificate, just the cause of MAID or the reason they access MAID.

00:16:57.140 So I'm worried that once we open it up to the mentally ill, I just, I can't even imagine the absolute trauma. 0.98

00:17:11.700 I mean, I think it's going to grow because of the things we heard.

00:17:15.800 We heard families left behind saying, I became suicidal because of the damage.

00:17:20.040 Well, great.

00:17:20.920 We've got an easy way for you to join your loved one.

00:17:22.860 I'm just, I'm worried that it is just going to be a mushroom cloud of death in this country.

00:17:28.380 Well, we've heard someone talk about how they, unbeknownst to them, drove their daughter to a MAID appointment when they thought it was a regular doctor's appointment.

00:17:39.600 Yeah.

00:17:39.840 And I can only think of a 16-, 17-, 18-year-old who would do that without telling their parents just because they don't have the MAID.

00:17:51.000 Teenagers are secretive.

00:17:52.220 Exactly.

00:17:52.900 And that's scary because that's going to happen a lot more than someone who's struggling with something that now could be approved as MAID, which shouldn't be.

00:18:01.660 But then it just opens up that to every young person that goes through something slightly traumatic that just kind of throws them over the edge when they're struggling with something.

00:18:15.380 Yeah.

00:18:16.280 And, you know, there's the whole idea, and we're seeing this in some of the more radical jurisdictions of the world.

00:18:21.900 People point to the Netherlands all the time as this extreme culture of death, and it really is. 1.00

00:18:28.440 Mature miners there can access MAID, people who are just done living, just over it.

00:18:35.320 They've checked all the things off their bucket list.

00:18:37.640 They can apply for MAID.

00:18:40.700 But it took them 22 years to get there.

00:18:43.760 We're catching up really fast.

00:18:45.140 And six, to the point where now we are considering the next expansion to MAID, it's recommended that it be mature miners, too.

00:18:57.200 I don't even know what that means.

00:18:59.120 What is a mature miner?

00:19:00.640 I guess the kids who could go get vaccinated behind their parents' back, I guess.

00:19:04.300 Yeah.

00:19:05.500 I mean, we've already got some precedent for this.

00:19:07.380 The things we're hearing are difficult and important because one of the things that proponents of medical assistance in dying, and it's not that, it's medical killing, let's call it what it is, is that they've made it so sterile.

00:19:32.780 It's clinical, it's compassionate, it's not dirty, it's, you know, just, you'll drift off into a tomorrow land.

00:19:43.540 And I think what we're learning along the way is it is completely the opposite of that.

00:19:48.340 It is, it's a, really, it's a, it's a bloodbath without the blood.

00:19:52.260 And that's what I learned is actually, which I had no idea and didn't even think about it that way, is that that's only Canada.

00:19:58.320 Is that when you bring up the other countries that are kind of more advanced, I hate to say, they don't have it included in part of their medical system.

00:20:09.520 Right.

00:20:10.120 Is that Canada is the only country in the world that has it, included it in part of our, it's a step that you can take in the hospice.

00:20:17.240 It's like, it's something that they can, that they will offer you, you won't have to seek it out as easy.

00:20:22.740 And the other countries that it's separate, like they only do it in your home.

00:20:27.820 They only do it if you come seek it out, which is sad, but scarier that it's here in Canada, a part of our medical system.

00:20:38.100 Like it's a, it's, it's a part of the steps that they have the checklist of questions kind of thing.

00:20:43.520 They don't actually, but it's, it's, it's a part of it.

00:20:46.800 Yeah.

00:20:47.800 You know, one of the things I learned from that MAID Summit was that the funding for medical assistance in dying actually comes out of palliative care.

00:20:59.860 Yeah.

00:21:00.320 So when the federal government or the provincial government is announcing funding for palliative care, it's not really for palliative care because a portion of that is going directly to killing people.

00:21:12.000 So when we hear the government saying that they're giving supports to end of life, that's not it at all.

00:21:18.580 It's actually drawing funds away from proper end of life care and throwing it into the death care category.

00:21:27.880 Scary.

00:21:28.760 Yeah.

00:21:29.120 That's, that's sneaky.

00:21:30.620 Yeah.

00:21:31.260 Like I think it would be a lot.

00:21:34.340 I don't even know if we would be sitting here right now or traveling around and doing this documentary if they were just completely open with everything.

00:21:42.000 I think that we would still be doing our activism, still be doing journalism on it, but I don't think that we would be blowing it as wide open as we would be right now if they weren't so sneaky.

00:21:51.060 Right.

00:21:51.500 If they weren't hiding the funding and palliative care.

00:21:53.560 If they weren't secretly trying to offer it to veterans or.

00:21:57.500 Grandmas.

00:21:58.160 Grandmas.

00:21:58.780 If they weren't actively, and I hate to say it, it feels like they're trying to actively kill people.

00:22:03.480 Well, of course they are.

00:22:04.120 And they, they kind of boast about how more made means less money spent.

00:22:11.160 Yeah.

00:22:11.260 And more organs harvested.

00:22:13.300 More organs harvested.

00:22:14.280 I just feel like we wouldn't be here if, if, if they weren't so sneaky.

00:22:18.720 Yeah.

00:22:19.440 Yeah.

00:22:19.760 And I mean, and punishing the objectors.

00:22:22.020 So we talked to a story that, a person in a story that Drea Humphrey has covered extensively, and that is the Delta Hospice Society.

00:22:32.980 The Delta Hospice Society ran an $8 million privately funded, or at least they had crowdfunded the money to build the facility.

00:22:42.460 A palliative care center, a palliative care center, and a supportive care center, so cancer patients who had recovered or learning to live with their diagnosis, they could go there too.

00:22:53.340 And they operated in partnership with the provincial government.

00:22:57.420 But when they refused to allow the maid providers into the facility, then the BC government just expropriated their facility, took an $8 million facility, didn't compensate the Delta Hospice Society, slapped a new name on it, and made it a place where they can kill their patients now. 0.62

00:23:20.680 It's insane.

00:23:21.860 I know.

00:23:22.240 I don't know what else you can say.

00:23:24.680 And now, at least the Delta Hospice Society, they recognize that you might be sending your grandma off to the doctor's office, but the doctor might be whispering in her ear a little bit about how you can just make it easier on your grandkids at the end of your life.

00:23:38.520 They send people to accompany people to their medical appointments to make sure they aren't coerced into medical killing.

00:23:48.520 It's a great idea.

00:23:49.820 I think it's great.

00:23:50.380 It's sad that we even had to come to that.

00:23:52.240 Yeah.

00:23:53.160 Yeah.

00:23:53.580 And I think, you know, for people who are worried about how their loved ones are being treated in the system, I think it's a great idea.

00:24:03.460 But one of the things we're also learning is there's not a lot of support, particularly in the West, for families who are trying to either save their loved one or who have experienced medical assistance and dying in their family.

00:24:19.720 There's almost nothing out there for them.

00:24:22.240 I have no words.

00:24:25.220 Well, I know.

00:24:26.120 I know.

00:24:26.520 I mean, if I just they've never actually given any thought to the people left behind.

00:24:34.540 Nobody really has.

00:24:35.380 There are a few organizations that are working hard, but they're like this big versus these other organizations that are actively pushing this culture of death.

00:24:46.440 And until there's some sort of balance between this and this, I don't know what's going to change.

00:24:55.520 I don't think you can't have a balance anymore.

00:24:58.860 Yeah.

00:24:59.040 You just need to get rid of it.

00:25:00.300 Thank you.

00:25:01.300 Thank you.

00:25:02.980 Kian, tell everybody how they can support the work that we're doing.

00:25:06.900 We're staying in an incredibly cheap Airbnb.

00:25:09.780 We're driving a very, very tiny rental car.

00:25:11.660 We are booking all of our interviews super duper close together.

00:25:16.080 We're living off bubbly water and coffee and Zen.

00:25:19.860 How do people support the documentary and see some of the work that we've already done?

00:25:26.580 Because we are posting little snippets of the things that we're doing.

00:25:29.200 Yeah.

00:25:29.300 We set up a special website, made documentary.com.

00:25:32.240 We're crowdfunding the documentary on travel or Airbnb.

00:25:35.900 I'm buying my own Zen.

00:25:37.660 That's right.

00:25:38.460 The nicotine's on him.

00:25:39.600 And you can donate to us and we set up some special perks that people can get depending

00:25:46.920 on the level of donation.

00:25:48.640 I think it's super important because this is expensive to do.

00:25:52.920 It's not cheap at all.

00:25:54.100 Yeah.

00:25:54.400 And we really are living on a shoestring budget.

00:25:57.560 Yeah.

00:25:59.380 And I've only brought three sweaters so I don't have to get another carry on.

00:26:02.680 It's true, yeah.

00:26:04.560 But I think it's important to crowdfund this documentary because the documentary is

00:26:09.260 the made issue is a lot bigger than the documentary and at least we can take a crack at it.

00:26:16.980 My first motivator to making the documentary was that I told my three friends back in Ontario

00:26:22.300 in a group chat about what I was doing and not one of them even knew what made was.

00:26:25.880 Right. 1.00

00:26:26.280 And I wouldn't go to say that they're dumb people. 1.00

00:26:29.520 They know about Rebel. 0.99

00:26:31.460 They know about all the stuff that we do.

00:26:33.080 They know about all the stuff that's happening in the government, but they didn't even know

00:26:35.580 what made was.

00:26:36.780 Yeah.

00:26:36.860 And I looked at some polls and I can't remember the numbers off by fact, but some people still

00:26:40.300 a lot of people don't know what it is.

00:26:42.620 And that was a huge motivator to me that even though at that time I wasn't really sitting

00:26:47.220 on the side of that's abolish made altogether.

00:26:50.040 I still wanted people to know about it so they can make their own decisions.

00:26:53.420 And now that I sit on the other side, I still want to do it in a fact that sorry, in a way

00:27:00.040 that people can at least know what made is, can see the evolution of at least my experience

00:27:04.860 with how I learned to come, not to made, but come to made as a journalist.

00:27:12.600 The made is so much bigger because it is not just about what made is, is that there is

00:27:19.360 a level of what made is to other people is abandonment by the medical system.

00:27:24.800 Yes.

00:27:25.080 It's despair.

00:27:26.040 It's so much things that this documentary actually can't provide to people.

00:27:29.860 And that's my worry about the documentary.

00:27:31.700 Um, as I'll be open about it is that I, inside of me, I want to be able to give people something

00:27:38.520 at the end of it, like hope, and I'm going to try my best, but I think it's important to

00:27:44.100 one fund this documentary to make it, um, not in any order there, but because we need people

00:27:50.260 to know what it is.

00:27:51.080 We need more people to know what it is so that at least whoever watches it and know someone,

00:27:56.360 maybe they can give someone a sense of, um, like accompany them in, in their suffering

00:28:02.320 and that they, they will choose not to abandon people.

00:28:05.420 That is the only thing that I can do with this documentary because you can't give someone,

00:28:09.760 um, their life back with the documentary, but you can at least equip someone with enough

00:28:15.480 information that they can do it.

00:28:17.940 Yeah.

00:28:18.500 And, you know, that brings me back to something we heard over and over again, and the studies

00:28:23.440 demonstrate it, it's that people are not accessing MAID because their suffering is too great or

00:28:34.540 their death is imminent.

00:28:36.800 One of the number one reason they give for accessing MAID is that they don't feel useful

00:28:41.760 or meaningful anymore.

00:28:44.320 And so, as you say, that's despair.

00:28:46.700 That's lack of hope.

00:28:48.500 And so abandonment, abandonment.

00:28:50.880 And they've abandoned themselves to despair.

00:28:54.420 And so, you know, we, we've asked people who are, as they say on the left, working in

00:28:59.440 this space, uh, to offer their advice to people like you and I, who will definitely in our

00:29:07.880 lifetime encounter people who are idealizing MAID as the way out. 0.96

00:29:14.080 And what can we do and say to help those people feel meaningful and valuable and have purpose

00:29:20.100 again, because it is really an epidemic about a lack of purpose that is leading people to

00:29:25.780 access MAID.

00:29:27.320 And, uh, hopefully, hopefully we can change that because once, once the culture adopts

00:29:34.220 this, I don't know how we get it back.

00:29:36.480 Um, we saw through studies, as I was researching for the accompanying book for this, that in

00:29:44.960 Holland, like 20%, it's only 20% of people who object to giving euthanasia to people who are

00:29:55.300 done with living.

00:29:56.260 There's only 20% opposition to that.

00:29:58.620 It's wide society adoption of just, well, if you, if you're done, you can just go.

00:30:04.380 So, and I don't want Canada to get, to get there.

00:30:07.280 I don't know what to do, but hopefully our documentary will help.

00:30:11.880 I've, a big part of me is making this documentary for myself when I was 18.

00:30:15.800 And I think, uh, uh, something that you've said too, is that as long as you can save one

00:30:19.700 life, but I think we need to be realistic that, um, me, when I'm 18, I'm not going to

00:30:24.000 watch this documentary and someone who is suffering, um, to the point of wanting to grab MAID, they're

00:30:29.880 probably not going to watch this documentary too, but there are people out there who are watching

00:30:33.980 this right now, um, who will watch this documentary.

00:30:36.800 And it's important for those people to share it so that someone like my friend, when I was 18,

00:30:42.940 can watch this documentary and then be equipped with being able to help me.

00:30:47.600 Cause I'm not going to, I wouldn't have watched it, but he might've, or she might've.

00:30:51.860 Kian, uh, thanks for sitting down with me.

00:30:53.760 Thanks for giving the viewers an update.

00:30:55.980 Uh, I said this about Church Under Fire, our last documentary, I think that is one, it

00:31:01.280 was one of the most important things that we've done here at Rebel News to document the

00:31:06.080 damage the government did to religious freedom.

00:31:09.460 Um, and I will reiterate that sentiment for this documentary.

00:31:13.440 not only do we have an obligation to tell the stories of these families and to tell them

00:31:21.280 well, but to make a difference where we can, when we see a great evil before us.

00:31:28.900 And I think that's what we're doing.

00:31:30.520 And, uh, I'm just so proud to work with you and I know you're going to do a great job.

00:31:33.880 Thanks.

00:31:34.440 Well, friends, we've come to the portion of the show wherein I invite your viewer feedback.

00:31:55.240 I know I say this every week, so it's probably sounding pretty redundant, but we get new people

00:31:59.600 all the time.

00:32:00.140 So we have to tell them the rules.

00:32:01.400 We have no Rebel News without Rebel News viewers.

00:32:05.680 So I care what you think about the work that we do here at Rebel News.

00:32:09.340 It's why I give you my email address right now at sheila at rebelnews.com.

00:32:13.320 Put gun show letters in the subject line.

00:32:15.280 So I know exactly what you're talking about and why you're emailing me because I do get

00:32:19.400 dozens, sometimes hundreds of emails a day, depending on what sort of controversial nonsense

00:32:24.160 I've said or done on the internet.

00:32:26.180 So gun show letters in the subject line, I'll find it.

00:32:29.500 Um, but don't let that be the bar for entry and participation.

00:32:33.280 If you're watching the free version of the show, be it on YouTube or rumble and you sat

00:32:38.320 through some ads, I appreciate you for doing that.

00:32:41.160 Leave a comment, story idea, suggestion, viewer feedback there.

00:32:45.340 I do go looking over there sometimes for what you have to say.

00:32:49.360 Now, today's gun show letter comes from the email bag and it comes to us from Peter Bass,

00:32:56.880 who writes to me on the January 31st show.

00:32:59.700 And I sat down then with my friend and colleague, senior editor at Rebel News, Tamera Ugolini,

00:33:04.960 to discuss her coverage of the vaccine injury compensation program and how two thirds of

00:33:13.300 the money there is going to consultants.

00:33:16.020 Almost none of it is going to the vaccine injured and the vaccine injured already face

00:33:20.680 an exceptionally high barrier to entry and acceptance into that program to get compensation.

00:33:26.060 Anyway, we heard that time and time again during the national citizens inquiry.

00:33:29.840 Anyway, Peter writes, hey, Sheila, great episode January 31st.

00:33:33.500 You are correct with your assessment of Tamera's coverage of this beat.

00:33:36.940 I called her Canada's leading medical journalist and I think she is second to none in Canada.

00:33:42.580 News of the vaccine injury.

00:33:44.360 Lack of support is what I like to see pushed forward.

00:33:48.040 The fact that cash to friends was two thirds is ridiculous.

00:33:51.300 Not surprising in the slightest, though.

00:33:53.060 Nobody else is touching.

00:33:54.060 It should be a headline story.

00:33:55.780 You and Tamera also went over the biggest open secret of it all.

00:33:58.800 Big Pharma has no liability whatsoever for their vaccines, both in Canada and in the United

00:34:04.700 States.

00:34:05.540 The vaccine injured can apply for compensation to a faceless bureaucracy that turns down most

00:34:09.840 claims and pays out a pittance of what the approved ones should be.

00:34:14.060 Anybody who watches American TV has seen ads for class action lawsuits against pharma manufacturers,

00:34:19.580 but they gained an exemption in 86 specifically for vaccines and the taxpayer has picked up the bill

00:34:26.340 since.

00:34:26.780 The documents submitted to the government from the industry claimed that they needed the exemption

00:34:31.040 because vaccines are inherently unsafe, yet they admit it in writing in the federal

00:34:37.820 filing to the government.

00:34:40.100 Then they tell us the old safe and effective BS.

00:34:43.480 Pretty obvious which narrative is true.

00:34:45.420 Anyway, terrific episode.

00:34:46.680 Kudos to you and Tamera.

00:34:48.060 Peter.

00:34:48.520 Well, Peter, thanks so much.

00:34:49.580 I reiterate, Mera is really Canada's best medical journalist and if she worked for the

00:34:56.380 mainstream media, she would be getting accolades for her investigative journalism. 0.86

00:35:00.340 However, she works for Rebel News, so the mainstream media treats her like she has cooties

00:35:04.760 and then they'll steal her story a couple of weeks later and claim it as an exclusive.

00:35:09.080 They do that over and over again here at Rebel News.

00:35:11.300 They get all the money from Trudeau to just regurgitate the things that we did days in advance.

00:35:18.220 Yeah, what they won't tell you is safe and effective was a marketing slogan and not actually

00:35:23.020 something they had ever actually bothered to test.

00:35:26.960 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:35:28.600 Thank you so much for tuning in and bearing with us in our little Airbnb studio.

00:35:33.060 We'll see everybody in the same time and possibly in the same place next week.

00:35:38.160 Well, not in the same place here, but the same place, you know, on your screen next week.

00:35:43.100 And as always, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:36:03.060 Thank you.

00:36:03.160 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - February 08, 2024

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Liberals delay euthanasia expansion for three years but our MAID documentary project is well underway

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