Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Looking back at the year that was and asking what 2023 will bring： Freedom Convoy's Tom Marazzo

00:00:00.000 Looking back at 2022 and predicting what 2023 will bring us with key Freedom Convoy participant Tom Maratzo.

00:00:08.020 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:10.020 Today's show is a bit of a long one, so I'm going to cut my usual preamble short.

00:00:31.940 Now, for those of you who don't know, the Freedom Convoy was a movement of, well, it grew from truckers once the federal government decided to impose a cross-border vaccine mandate on them after they were able to cross the border freely to keep the economy going without a vaccination for two years.

00:00:48.900 That one act of tyranny that didn't make sense to so many people sparked a nationwide movement of people who had just, frankly, had enough, vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.

00:01:02.960 People who were tired of being told what to do, what to put in their body, how to treat their neighbors, were sick and tired of seeing their friends and family demonized, not being able to travel, not being able to work because of a conscientious medical choice.

00:01:18.060 And so many people said, I'm not against vaccinations.

00:01:20.460 I just want to take a wait and see approach to this one.

00:01:23.880 And so many of them were thrown out of their jobs.

00:01:27.300 And so the Freedom Convoy rose out of that.

00:01:30.140 It went to our nation's capital, Ottawa.

00:01:33.140 It was there for nearly four weeks, completely peacefully.

00:01:36.980 Thousands of people were there in the streets playing hockey, holding concerts, enjoying their hot tubs, having barbecues, feeding the homeless.

00:01:48.380 All this was a bridge too far for the boring people who live in downtown Ottawa.

00:01:53.360 And because of the international embarrassment that these working class people were causing to our pompous and frivolous Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, he invoked a wartime law, the Emergencies Act, to put an end to the protests and suspend the civil liberties of all Canadians, seize bank accounts and arrest the convoy leadership who had never done anything really all that wrong. 0.99

00:02:17.600 They were arrested under mischief charges, which is definitely not sedition, although if you got all your news from the mainstream media, you would think that it was some kind of January 6th plot.

00:02:30.220 Tom, who is joining me on the show today, was a key participant in the convoy.

00:02:37.080 And he was one of the people who worked very hard to alleviate some of the pressures on Ottawa's downtown core as part of a deal struck between the city of Ottawa and the truckers to show that they were working together in good faith.

00:02:55.220 And that was just before the federal government decided that they needed to get involved and mess everything up.

00:03:01.480 So Tom's got lots of opinions and Tom has paid a high cost for his moral and ethical stance against forced vaccination, but against the treatment of his fellow Canadians.

00:03:15.100 And he was also one of the key analysts that we brought in during the Trucker Commission, the Public Order Emergency Commission, which was the official examination of the government's actions in invoking that civil liberties suspending wartime law, the Emergencies Act on peaceful truckers in the nation's capital, doing the old full Venezuela that Justin Trudeau did.

00:03:40.240 So joining me tonight is Tom, and hopefully he can bring in some of his analysis to discuss just the things that have really happened to us in 2022 and what he thinks 2023 will bring us.

00:03:51.680 I know I promised you a short preamble, but I am still talking, so I'll shut up.

00:03:56.120 Here's me and Tom from earlier today.

00:04:04.760 Joining me now is my friend Tom Marazzo to discuss what I think is probably...

00:04:10.240 We'll start there.

00:04:11.720 And I think the biggest story of the year that started the year, but also finished the year, the trucker convoy and then the examination of the government's euthanization of the trucker convoy.

00:04:24.360 And then maybe we'll move on to free speech issues and the state of Canada, but also probably the state of the world.

00:04:31.100 Tom, thanks for joining me.

00:04:32.280 I know you're not home right now, so I appreciate you taking the time to do this interview.

00:04:36.060 Let's start off with the trucker convoy, because you were one of the key participants in it, as much as you like to downplay your role in it.

00:04:48.540 We've talked about this before, but what was the impetus for you to get involved with a bunch of strangers and go to Ottawa?

00:04:55.320 Well, you know, the reality of the whole thing was, for two years leading up to the convoy, for your viewers that are ex-military, they'll know the saying.

00:05:07.800 I mean, it's a pretty common saying, but I was the gray man for a good two years during all the COVID garbage that was going on.

00:05:14.660 Didn't want to draw any attention to myself.

00:05:16.320 I just kind of wanted to put all my training and experience to play to protect my family.

00:05:23.680 That's really what I wanted to do.

00:05:25.300 So I didn't want to be drawing any attention because things were just too unpredictable.

00:05:31.800 I mean, if you remember what life was like in Canada, let's say 14 months ago,

00:05:36.340 the level of fear that non-vaccinated people had in this country was, you know, absolutely off the charts for anything we've ever seen in Canada.

00:05:47.920 So, you know, we were, those who are unvaccinated were not able to participate in society.

00:05:54.420 I mean, Quebec was talking about excluding people from grocery stores.

00:05:59.020 New Brunswick was talking about it.

00:06:00.540 You couldn't go in any public places.

00:06:02.200 You had all the Karens out there that were right in your face if you didn't wear a mask. 1.00

00:06:08.200 And so I was doing stuff to what I thought was to protect my family by being the gray man. 0.77

00:06:14.980 But the other big reason was I didn't know what to do.

00:06:18.680 Like, it's not like you have this opponent in front of you that is very obvious.

00:06:24.960 You know, you understand who your opponent was.

00:06:27.120 I just know that I had one.

00:06:28.280 It turns out it's the federal government.

00:06:30.180 Um, so when, when the convoy rolled through, I just, something told me that that was my opportunity to come out of being the gray man and to get involved and do something meaningful for this country.

00:06:45.440 And, and it was just, you know, I was, I'm privileged with the opportunity that I had.

00:06:53.820 And then I saw that opportunity.

00:06:55.520 And as soon as I was asked to participate, I was gone.

00:06:59.060 I was in Ottawa immediately, uh, because I just recognized it for the awesome possibility that it could be, which I think turned out to be, uh, absolutely correct.

00:07:09.640 Yeah.

00:07:10.100 And when, like one of the things that I, well, there's a lot of things I like about you, Tom, I shouldn't phrase it that way, but, um, you paid a high cost for, uh, your ethical stance remain unvaccinated.

00:07:22.500 So it's not like you were just somebody who attached themselves to, saw a movement growing and said, ah, I got to get myself involved in that.

00:07:29.680 This is my claim to fame.

00:07:31.320 You paid a high price for your choice to be unvaccinated.

00:07:34.000 Yeah.

00:07:34.820 Yeah.

00:07:35.420 Yeah.

00:07:35.620 I mean, I, I lost my job teaching, uh, in September, just over a year ago, right around the same week that, uh, Julie Panessi lost her job is when I got fired as well.

00:07:45.700 And.

00:07:47.020 You know, there was a small group of us that I was, uh, at Georgian college or a small group of, uh, other teachers there, and they were all worried as well.

00:07:55.140 And, but I kind of thought, no, I, because I have a small army pension, I was a little bit more insulated against economic, uh, hard times than, than the rest of them were.

00:08:06.600 So I said, look, I'm willing to stick my neck out and we'll see what happens.

00:08:12.580 And if I get my head chopped off, then you guys will learn, you know, it's kind of like when, um, penguins are looking for a new place to swim and they throw one in the water.

00:08:21.680 And if it gets eaten by an orca, uh, so unfortunately I got eaten like, uh, by a big giant college level orca and, uh, everybody else kind of said, all right, we need to adjust.

00:08:34.720 We need to adjust our plan because clearly, uh, publicly pushing back, isn't going to work.

00:08:39.020 So, yeah, I mean, it's been a difficult year.

00:08:41.300 I lost my job, um, had to sell, uh, my home and then, uh, you know, just a whole series of different things have happened.

00:08:51.220 And I still haven't had a job, uh, since I've, uh, I lost my job teaching, but I've, I've been really busy this year.

00:08:59.040 I mean, I, I went to the convoy right after I ran in the Ontario election, uh, with the Ontario party.

00:09:06.200 Then right after that, cause I didn't get elected, obviously.

00:09:09.840 Then I was helping out James top, uh, with Canada marches.

00:09:13.600 And then I had some time in the summer to, uh, figuring out my, for my living arrangement.

00:09:21.320 Um, and then I ended up in Ottawa for, for two months for the, uh, public order emergency commission.

00:09:27.940 So it's been a very busy year and I feel like every few months I have to reinvent my whole entire life.

00:09:34.120 And, uh, now we're heading into Christmas and, and really I got to just get that book written.

00:09:39.220 Yeah, you do.

00:09:40.160 It's so delayed.

00:09:41.100 It's delayed because of the, uh, the commission.

00:09:43.820 Um, cause at first I didn't want to, I didn't want to write about the commission, but after sitting there for two months, listening to the testimony, I, I, I feel that it's absolutely necessary.

00:09:53.840 Now that I have to add in a lot of the context and the backstory that we learned, uh, of what the government was up to during the entire time of the convoy.

00:10:02.620 So I think that that's, that's an important part of the story that needs to be told, especially from my point of view, my context.

00:10:09.560 Yeah. Uh, and the story is not quite over yet. I mean, we won't even know.

00:10:14.600 I sat in that commission room, you sat in that commission room, you sort of get a feel for what's happening, but you never really know.

00:10:21.820 I've sat in on tons of court cases and thought that they were going one way.

00:10:24.820 And then all of a sudden I'm like, what the heck just happened here?

00:10:27.660 So we won't even know really how things went in the public order commission until February.

00:10:33.640 And that might be delayed the same way the public order commission was, but I want to, I want to talk to you about that next because you were instrumental in executing a good faith deal.

00:10:46.800 That was struck between the convoy leadership and the city to put an end to what, you know, the, the worry warts on the other side called the siege of downtown Ottawa.

00:11:00.100 You were moving trucks out of downtown Ottawa as a show of good faith, uh, to sort of undo some of the traffic snarl and, uh, the inconvenience felt by the few thousand people who live downtown.

00:11:11.960 But, uh, you were doing that and instead of recognizing that in good faith, you were making those efforts, the federal government dropped the hammer and, um, you know, hit the nuclear button on the emergencies act, which is something we've never seen before.

00:11:28.560 Yeah.

00:11:29.120 And that was incredibly frustrating too, because, you know, I realized a couple of things during the actual commission.

00:11:36.040 Uh, one, we showed incredible restraint, uh, because very, very easily, very often we could have easily put that entire city in constant, a constant state of, uh, checkmate, you know, but we showed a lot of restraint where we said, no, we're going to do a lot of things, uh, to try to build a working relationship, at least with the law enforcement and hopefully get the goodwill with the government.

00:12:03.640 So they'll come and talk to us.

00:12:05.400 We wanted to always appear reasonable, responsible, and safe.

00:12:10.980 We always wanted to take that stance.

00:12:13.020 But, you know, when you listen to the testimony during the commission, it was incredibly frustrating.

00:12:18.340 And I, I remember saying to Keith and Brendan, uh, you know, our two lawyers that were fighting it out every day.

00:12:25.440 Uh, well, Eva and Bathsheba, I mean, the four lawyers.

00:12:29.020 And I remember saying to them, listen, the one question I think I, I would like you to ask each of the witnesses, like key witnesses, was, did you ever have the will to go and at least talk to the convoy organizers?

00:12:44.080 And, you know, there was a lot of back and forth discussion as to why they weren't going to ask that question to all of the witnesses, but they were asking, they did ask it to specific witnesses.

00:12:55.220 But what was striking to me was day after day after day, we sat in that commission and we listened.

00:13:01.020 They never from day one, even you heard Justin Trudeau's testimony.

00:13:05.080 They were talking about, uh, the emergency act on the 27th of January, the day before the convoy even arrived, that was their go-to default thinking immediately.

00:13:16.460 You know, there was never any engagement.

00:13:18.420 You saw testimony from the PMO's office where, you know, the, the media was painting a very dark story about the convoy.

00:13:25.980 And yet the PMO's office was talking about, no, no, no, make sure that we don't put pressure on the convoy because we want them to keep all their, uh, what they called crazies, uh, keep them in the convoy so that the leadership of the convoy that was traveling across the country wouldn't push them out.

00:13:44.440 Like they wanted, they were, they were hopeful that we would show up as a very, um, radical idea.

00:13:53.200 I mean, there were already discussions about a possible January 6th scenario here in Canada, in Ottawa, you know, which is ridiculous, uh, given all of the support that the convoy was getting as it traveled across the country, you know, people were waving flags.

00:14:08.300 January 6th, I don't even know why that's a comparison.

00:14:11.100 It's a comparison because I suppose it's effective at demonize the con, the convoy, but it's not a fair comparison by any stretch.

00:14:19.420 That's not what the intended purpose was.

00:14:21.360 And yet we saw from day one, the government just wanted to vilify and the media wanted to vilify the convoy.

00:14:29.500 And so when we listened to the testimony, it made sense that nobody wanted to talk to us.

00:14:34.120 Nobody wanted to engage in any dialogue.

00:14:36.500 We believe that they would in the reason being, cause they've done it for pipelines.

00:14:40.080 They've done it for indigenous, but for a bunch of Canadians, you know, from every walk of life in this country, why would you want to possibly talk to them? 0.99

00:14:46.800 You know, it, it, it just baffles the mind to see the level of, um, desire, default thinking to put this protest down, uh, before any discussion of, of actually speaking to us.

00:15:04.340 And that's what we heard day after day after day in the commission.

00:15:08.240 You know, um, I think maybe some of the people in the convoy, convoy were blindsided by just how sinister the federal government was.

00:15:16.340 Um, you guys were thinking, okay, well, they might not like us, uh, they might disagree with us on everything, but like they might engage with us, but they had no intention of doing any of that.

00:15:30.580 And the convoy remained peaceful the entire time we found out that actually they had been on the receiving end of violence.

00:15:38.520 And I'm not just talking about the government kind, even though government has a monopoly on violence.

00:15:44.060 Um, you know, there, there was, um, there were outside actors, um, who threw eggs at the convoy truckers and the truckers never responded in kind.

00:15:54.300 And this whole January 6th narrative, anytime somebody raises it as, you know, this was sedition.

00:16:01.420 Okay.

00:16:01.540 Nobody's been in charge with sedition.

00:16:03.060 They're charged with the crime of being annoying in public, but think about the restraint.

00:16:07.480 The trucker showed two years in a pressure cooker.

00:16:10.640 A lot of them have lost their jobs.

00:16:12.060 A lot of them have lost everything.

00:16:13.740 That's why many of them had their kids with them.

00:16:16.480 Yes.

00:16:17.420 The country's useful people show up in the nation's Capitol by the thousands with heavy haulers.

00:16:24.300 They didn't even break a window.

00:16:27.100 They wanted to storm parliament Hill.

00:16:29.420 They could have taken it at any point, everywhere.

00:16:32.160 The police turned, they were overwhelmed.

00:16:34.680 If the truckers wanted to take the place over, they never did.

00:16:38.060 They never responded with violence once.

00:16:41.340 Never, never.

00:16:43.440 And, you know, we, we, I was reminded during the commission too, um, or I had spoken to our lawyers.

00:16:49.560 Cause I, I, it was a really important detail that I hadn't given much thought to since the commission started.

00:16:54.800 But, you know, in halfway through the, we were threatened, the truckers were threatened, all the families that brought their children and their dogs.

00:17:02.620 They were threatened that if the truckers didn't leave, that they were going to come in and euthanize people's dogs.

00:17:09.260 Yeah.

00:17:09.980 They were threatened by family and children's services to come in and take their children away.

00:17:15.120 Actually, I'm just going to correct you there.

00:17:17.240 They weren't threatened by family and children's services.

00:17:19.860 They were threatened by the police and family and children's services said, we didn't say that.

00:17:24.600 Don't involve us in your nonsense.

00:17:26.300 They were caught blindsided by it. 0.93

00:17:27.960 Yes, yeah, exactly.

00:17:30.240 That's, that's a fair detail as well.

00:17:32.220 But, you know, this was the issue for us is that we, we showed so much restraint, um, because I can tell you a first year captain in the army could have basically put that whole entire city into gridlock.

00:17:45.220 Like we could have easily put them into checkmate anytime we wanted to, we didn't, we deliberately did not do any of that stuff.

00:17:53.380 I mean, we, we did some slow rolls through Amazon.

00:17:56.840 We did some slow rolls through, um, the airport, but we were just trying to demonstrate that if you want to escalate things, we've got the ability to escalate as well, but we don't want to.

00:18:10.240 And I remember saying to the police the day after they raided Coventry because they came in very heavy handed.

00:18:18.000 I was there.

00:18:18.800 Um, and, and I saw what they had done and I said to the police the next day, I said, look, if you want to do tit for tat, we can easily do this.

00:18:28.300 Yeah.

00:18:28.420 That's not a problem for us.

00:18:30.220 Let's yeah, exactly.

00:18:31.420 Let's dance.

00:18:32.040 Like if you want to do tit for tat, I'll do tit for tat with you.

00:18:34.740 That's not a problem, but we're not going to. 0.99

00:18:38.780 And if you do something stupid again, like you did at Coventry, we will do something equal. 0.99

00:18:44.560 We'll never exceed what you did. 0.99

00:18:46.160 We won't go like a level above what you did, but we'll always match you. 1.00

00:18:51.400 So if you want to do stupid things, we'll do stupid things too. 0.99

00:18:53.920 But we've, we have an opportunity right now. 1.00

00:18:56.180 We'll keep it cool and just consider that Coventry was your freebie. 0.99

00:19:01.560 You do something stupid like that again, and we're going to, we're going to have an impact on the city just as badly. 0.98

00:19:09.100 And that's when we did the slow rolls to the airport, just to let them know. 1.00

00:19:13.720 We can shut your airport down.

00:19:15.720 We can shut down Amazon, which is private property.

00:19:19.400 We could do a lot of stuff.

00:19:20.560 We can be very disruptive to the city, but we're not going to.

00:19:24.140 So behave and we will behave.

00:19:26.740 That was the message we were trying to get across to them.

00:19:29.540 And, you know, it worked for about two weeks until they came in and they just raided under the emergency act, which, by the way, we all heard during the testimony that was not required.

00:19:40.400 Every law enforcement person that testified said, well, we didn't need it.

00:19:43.380 We had the power to do what we needed to do under normal criminal code stuff.

00:19:47.220 But, you know, Justin Trudeau and all of his psychopathic cabinet ministers were just hellbent on picking our back.

00:19:56.980 And that's what they did.

00:19:57.680 Yeah.

00:19:58.760 And, you know, moving tanks, joking or really considering moving tanks in on peaceful protesters, Tiananmen Square style, whether they were joking about that or not. 1.00

00:20:10.080 OK, first of all, you get to choose what kind of disgusting jerk you are. 1.00

00:20:14.500 You can be the kind of disgusting jerk who jokes about using tanks on peaceful protesters or you can be the kind of disgusting jerk who actually considers it. 1.00

00:20:23.260 But it's really dealer's choice. I think you're awful either way. 1.00

00:20:26.340 And we saw cabinet ministers joking about using tanks on peaceful protesters while simultaneously denying military equipment to the Alberta government, who didn't want anything other than just access to tow trucks if they needed them or heavy haul equipment because they're dealing with tractors at the Coutts border.

00:20:47.040 And the Fed said, no, we don't. First of all, we don't have it.

00:20:49.760 We don't have it. Then we don't have it to spare.

00:20:52.420 And then, sorry, we just can't give it to you.

00:20:55.080 And it is my understanding that people from the Alberta government went to CFB Edmonton, laid their eyeballs on the equipment, knew it was there, and that's how they need to ask for it.

00:21:05.240 And the feds denied it to them while considering using tanks on peaceful protesters in the nation's capital.

00:21:11.760 Yeah. And I found that to be very, very, very strange dynamic because I had actually seen a copy of the order that the chief of defense staff,

00:21:22.420 was actually talking to the prime minister's office and saying, hey, if you want to use this, we'll help out.

00:21:28.960 Yeah.

00:21:29.100 Which is strange. I find that to be very uncharacteristic of the role of the Canadian military.

00:21:35.900 Because, you know, I participated in the G8-G20 summit in 2010 in Toronto.

00:21:41.960 And the brigadier general that we were all working for, for that, he every day said, look, the Canadian military cannot be perceived as being the lead agency for this entire event.

00:21:53.480 This is a law enforcement, a government in Ontario, government in Canada event.

00:21:58.020 We're here in support.

00:21:59.840 So we cannot be seen in any capacity of law enforcement of any kind.

00:22:05.920 We're not the lead agency.

00:22:06.980 We're supporters of a security event.

00:22:09.920 That's it.

00:22:10.980 And so, you know, that was in keeping with everything that I had ever believed about the Canadian military's involvement in a domestic operation.

00:22:18.340 You know, typically the military gets a flood, an ice storm, something like that.

00:22:23.660 But to put down a peaceful protest, you know, is so offside.

00:22:29.080 I mean, I don't know how to describe it. 0.96

00:22:30.600 But then when you see this current chief of defense staff offering support to Ottawa was ridiculous.

00:22:37.640 And I kind of understand why Edmonton didn't want to get involved as well.

00:22:42.020 But when you look at the testimony of the Minister of National Defense, I was just thinking, like, how is it that you're in charge of the Canadian military?

00:22:52.500 I just, it baffles my mind.

00:22:54.520 Absolutely baffles my mind.

00:22:55.700 But hey, look at the state of the Canadian military right now.

00:22:58.400 They care more about a woke culture in the Canadian military than they do about the actual defense of Canada.

00:23:06.440 It makes no sense.

00:23:07.540 I mean, it is literally the managed decline of the Canadian Armed Forces.

00:23:12.320 And I'm glad I'm not in uniform anymore.

00:23:14.820 I'm absolutely glad I have nothing to do with the Canadian military.

00:23:18.360 It's not what it was.

00:23:21.180 And it's not going to get better.

00:23:22.700 No, it's definitely not going to get better because, as it turns out, all the conscientious objectors have been pushed out.

00:23:30.080 Yes.

00:23:30.700 And those are the people that you want in positions of leadership, right?

00:23:35.720 Like, those are the people who are, have a strong moral compass.

00:23:39.580 They see things in black and white that, you know, they're, they're led by their ethics.

00:23:45.560 And those people, if they resisted forced vaccination, they were shown the door.

00:23:50.340 And so, while it's bad right now, I think in five years, we're really going to see the extent of the damage to our public institutions done by Justin Trudeau's vaccine mandates.

00:24:03.840 Yeah, and I, I absolutely believe that's true.

00:24:06.760 When I ran in the Ontario party this, this summer, a small part of me was actually quite worried that we could end up becoming the government of Ontario.

00:24:14.740 Well, I'm worried because, you know, my, my thought was, if we formed a government, because of some Hail Mary, we form a government, now we would have been responsible for cleaning up this mess.

00:24:27.520 And do you think the voters were ever going to forgive you or distinguish the difference between what, you know, Doug Ford and Justin Trudeau did to Ontario versus a brand new party that has to come in and clean up all the carnage?

00:24:38.700 Um, so I was always slightly a little bit worried about that, that, you know, the public, when things were really bad, you know, they set the conditions for it to get to its apex of, of really bad, but the government, you know, you're the government.

00:24:53.640 So now you're in charge of, of cleaning it up.

00:24:55.580 I don't know if the voters were to ever forgive a brand new party for the mistakes of a previous government.

00:25:01.700 And I just didn't want to have to be the one that came into Ontario and cleaned it all up and then got blamed for the mess to begin with.

00:25:07.600 Yeah, well, I think Danielle Smith's experiencing a little bit of that here in Alberta, and she's the same party as the guy who caused all the problems. 0.85

00:25:17.420 But, um, you know, I think at the end of the day, you just have to say what you're going to do and then do what you said, which seems to be what she's doing so far, which, um, I could talk to you about the trucker commission all day, but I want to talk to you about, um, a couple of other things, uh, the things I had on my list were, uh, the state of free speech and the gun grab.

00:25:34.620 But since we're talking about Danielle Smith, let's talk about, uh, the gun grab because she's been leading the way in the fight against Justin Trudeau's, um, illegal confiscation of, I guess, Canada's entire hunting gun inventory.

00:25:47.280 Um, with the exception of just a few, um, the provincial government in Alberta is working very hard to make this sort of an amnesty zone for law-abiding gun owners where our new premier has advised that our RCMP are not going to enforce this law because they don't know how they could.

00:26:06.500 A lot of these guns, well, most of them are moving from unrestricted to now prohib.

00:26:12.040 So the government doesn't know where they are.

00:26:13.960 They were, they were never registered.

00:26:15.780 So the only way that you could possibly find them is to expend stretched RCMP resources to go door to door down the list of registered gun owners or PAL holders and kick in their doors and say, do you have an SKS in here?

00:26:30.980 Um, and, um, Danielle Smith has said, that's not going to happen.

00:26:34.600 And she's sort of having that DeSantis effect where he stood up and said, we're not doing this.

00:26:40.160 And then all of a sudden Texas said, yeah, us too.

00:26:43.440 And Oklahoma said, yeah, us too.

00:26:45.300 And so she's doing the same thing.

00:26:46.740 We're doing it.

00:26:47.500 And then all of a sudden Saskatchewan and the Yukon and Manitoba are like, yeah, us too, us too, us too.

00:26:52.180 Um, what do you think is going to come of the gun ban?

00:26:55.180 I think it's just absolutely impossible to enforce.

00:26:58.180 And I think this might be the one thing that Justin Trudeau has overplayed his hand with.

00:27:03.580 I was just going to say, I think that this is the one issue that Justin Trudeau is not going to be able to get away with.

00:27:12.000 And, and this is, you know, really a testament to the moral courage of Danielle Smith and any other provincial government that finally stands up and says, listen, you guys have been so out of control.

00:27:24.340 Uh, in Ottawa, that this is, this gun thing is the line that we're not going to let you cross.

00:27:32.300 You have backed us up into so many different, uh, walls, but this one here, no, absolutely not.

00:27:39.040 And, you know, prior to COVID, I might've been a little bit more like, okay, why do you need a 50 cap?

00:27:44.440 You know, why do you need to own something for, cause there's no elephants in Canada that you need to go hunting.

00:27:49.860 Okay.

00:27:50.260 So why do you need this big, massive Gatman gun?

00:27:52.880 Um, and I, I say that jokingly, but, you know, given everything that we've seen and learned, I question everything about the Canada that I once believed I live in.

00:28:02.560 I question everything.

00:28:04.060 I question history.

00:28:05.260 I question everything about, uh, this country.

00:28:08.160 And I will say this, I think that history has shown that every time a government has disarmed its people, it's always worked out incredibly bad for those people.

00:28:19.900 So if the police are willing to give up their gun, then the public could give up their gun.

00:28:25.920 But until that happens, I don't think it's reasonable that you can have a government that is armed and can come to your home and commit violence against you when you have no way to defend yourself against your government. 0.97

00:28:37.760 And so I, I don't think that any Canadian should give up their gun and, and I have to be careful here because I don't want to end up getting charged with an utterance or something stupid like that.

00:28:49.280 Um, but what I want to be clear about is I don't think that any government has the right to tell you, you cannot own a firearm.

00:28:57.440 And so I think it is one of those rallying issues where ordinary Canadians are going to come up and say, you know what, just like when you froze bank accounts, um, this gun issue is, is a drastic overreach of government, uh, authority.

00:29:12.040 And so I think it should be, should be stopped.

00:29:15.080 And, and I, I'm very appreciative that Danielle Smith and, and I dare say Scott Moe, because, you know, I, I'm not done with Scott Moe.

00:29:22.740 I think, uh, Scott Moe's got to go, uh, sorry about the rhyme, but I think he needs to, to be removed, uh, legally, obviously, but I think the other provinces have to have big changes in leadership.

00:29:34.360 And I think they have to start respecting their constituents and, and doing what is right for their provinces and put what is right for the country on the back burner.

00:29:45.220 So I'm very, very happy, you know, with the sovereignty act.

00:29:48.840 I think it's a great idea.

00:29:50.280 I'm really happy about that.

00:29:51.640 Alberta needs to get rid of the RCMP as well.

00:29:53.960 They need to convert them to a provincial police force, uh, or just get city cops.

00:29:58.020 But honestly, they need to get rid of the RCMP because you shouldn't have federal police inside your jurisdiction, dictating Ottawa's policy at the provincial level inside your, your jurisdiction.

00:30:10.100 So I think I'm, I'm hopeful that Alberta gets rid of the RCMP.

00:30:15.680 Um, I just don't think it's a good marriage to be in.

00:30:20.100 And because, you know, guns are criminal code stuff.

00:30:23.220 This is all federal.

00:30:24.340 Criminal code is all federal.

00:30:25.380 So if you've got federal control like that, and you've got a federal police force inside your province, they do technically have the ability to execute search warrants and come into your home and take your guns away from you if you're registered and you have to be registered.

00:30:40.840 So I, I really, I'm really happy to hear that at least Alberta is leading the way and saying, you're not coming for the guns.

00:30:50.060 Yeah.

00:30:50.560 You're not coming. 0.95

00:30:51.240 We're going to fight you.

00:30:51.940 Well, and that's the thing that I think is, and I hate to use the word offensive because sometimes you need people say I'm offended.

00:30:58.260 It just means to me, you can't control your emotions.

00:31:00.900 There's something quite defensive about a federal government creating a special class of criminal out of the law abiding while on the other side of the equation, reducing the mandatory minimum sentences for a whole host of gang related gun crimes.

00:31:19.340 So if you are involved in gun trafficking and committing crimes with guns, armed robbery with guns, your mandatory minimum sentences are disappearing.

00:31:29.660 But over here, somebody who's got a gun in the gun cabinet didn't, it's their grandpa's, in my case, and all of a sudden, it's, it's illegal, and I'm a criminal.

00:31:42.080 But that guy gets a lower sentence for committing a crime with a gun and mind just minding its own business waiting for duck season.

00:31:49.020 Yeah, and I, you know, there are days in this country where I look and see what the governments are doing, and I, the worst pessimist inside of me comes to the conclusion that it's almost a deliberate dismantling of the foundation of a society.

00:32:08.140 And I think, you know, we look at the Royal Canadian Legion, as an example, you know, all out on the East Coast, they were denying James Topp access to their legions to rent them.

00:32:19.840 He's a five time deployed, and of the five times he's deployed, four of those were combat missions.

00:32:25.640 Okay, he served 27 years in the regular force.

00:32:29.040 He walked across Canada, peacefully protested, raising awareness for the government overreach.

00:32:34.160 And yet, they denied him access, but they're hosting drag queen shows all over the place.

00:32:41.400 And it's like, you're hosting a drag queen show where you're right on the pamphlets, it's saying, bring your children.

00:32:47.660 I mean, we're talking about men dressed up as women, women in doing sex shows.

00:32:52.060 Okay, this is fundamentally upside down.

00:32:55.660 And you look at it, and you say, what is the point of this, if you, if for no other reason than to just completely disrupt any moral, ethical standards that we have in our society?

00:33:06.960 Like, yeah, overnight, grandpa can now become a criminal because of the hunting rifle he has.

00:33:12.500 But a rapist has a lower sentence and is back on the street.

00:33:16.180 Yep.

00:33:16.620 And it's like, they're deliberately trying to dismantle the very foundation of our society.

00:33:22.740 And you just, you know, and then you get into this other legislation, the free speech, this is Bill C-11.

00:33:29.800 You know, now it's they want to control the internet, because they don't want conversations like this, that you and I are having right now to ever be seen by Canadians.

00:33:37.640 They want to be able to control the dialogue that you and I have, because God forbid Canadians think anything else than what the government propaganda machine wants you to think.

00:33:48.420 You know, this is really, we're getting into Ministry of Truth territory here.

00:33:52.200 And it's obvious, and they don't care.

00:33:53.720 They don't care.

00:33:54.680 They don't care that it's obvious because they've got this, you know, ungodly alliance with the NDP and the Liberals.

00:34:01.680 So they can just do whatever they want to do, because they have an unofficial majority government.

00:34:08.160 They can just push through anything they want, and they're not stoppable.

00:34:12.060 So it's worrying.

00:34:15.740 Yeah, and there's a third part in that unholy trinity there.

00:34:19.560 You said the Liberals, the NDP, but there's also the mainstream media, who you would, in normal times in a different country, they would be squawking about the crackdown on free speech and the free press in this country.

00:34:34.220 But it doesn't matter to them, because they are, I think, denied the rightful market correction that they need for their lies and their constant support of the Liberals, because all they do is get handouts from the Liberals.

00:34:48.480 So while, you know, independent media, we've got to hustle, we've got to sort of, you know, if we get something wrong, we hear about it right away from our donors, because we're connected to them all day long.

00:35:00.740 But the mainstream media, they don't have that.

00:35:03.760 They are connected to the government.

00:35:05.680 And I think when they get things right about the government, that's when they hear about it.

00:35:10.740 Yeah, and it's just baffling to see the level of complicity that they have.

00:35:16.700 It's almost...

00:35:18.480 I've always had the impression that the government and the mainstream media have played off of each other.

00:35:27.540 It's like the media starts down a certain path, and the government says, I really like that.

00:35:32.960 Let's get a hold of them and support that and keep pushing them. 0.91

00:35:35.860 We like what they're doing.

00:35:36.980 Yeah.

00:35:37.180 And then the government, and then the media will look back at the government and say, hey, wow, they're really supporting us in our effort.

00:35:42.580 We must be doing something good.

00:35:44.240 And it's just this perverse relationship between the government and the media.

00:35:48.360 And they feed off of each other.

00:35:51.680 And they don't...

00:35:53.580 The media doesn't consider its ethical standards anymore.

00:35:57.960 I mean, they have a guiding principles that, as journalists, they are supposed to abide by.

00:36:05.340 And they don't.

00:36:06.360 And they haven't.

00:36:07.000 And because they've been getting away with all the lying that they've been doing since COVID, why would they care about their own ethical standards?

00:36:14.380 They've just been lying with impunity and getting away with it.

00:36:18.660 So they don't have to circle back and actually do a look at their belly button and try to reflect on, what have I been doing to this country in the last couple of years?

00:36:30.220 And if there were a lot of ethical journalists out there, you would be seeing more of them acting in terms of a whistleblower capacity or leaving and going to different alternative media outlets.

00:36:42.560 But they're not.

00:36:43.300 They're just happy to keep getting their paychecks.

00:36:46.240 And during the commission, I spoke to a journalist who worked for one of the mainstream media outlets.

00:36:54.940 And I said to him, I said, you know, David, like, why don't you leave the mainstream media stuff?

00:37:02.520 And his response was, well, those other alternative media outlets, they just don't pay enough.

00:37:08.180 And I'm like, so you're doing this for money.

00:37:10.320 You're writing stuff that is ripping apart this country for money.

00:37:13.060 And, you know, that was the level of conscious awareness that he had about he didn't care.

00:37:18.520 He just wanted to get paid.

00:37:20.300 And it's frustrating.

00:37:21.460 Sorry to interrupt you, but this is why they can't understand people like you is because you were willing to lose your job to stand on the moral hill of forced vaccination.

00:37:31.440 And so they can't understand people like you because they will say and do anything for a paycheck. 0.84

00:37:37.180 Yes, and that's why they call them prostitutes, right? 0.99

00:37:42.080 But here's the thing.

00:37:44.200 You know, this entire convoy was never, ever, ever about COVID-19.

00:37:50.860 It was always about the rule of law in this country.

00:37:54.620 It was always about government overreach.

00:37:56.580 We had vaccinated and unvaccinated people go to Ottawa.

00:37:59.860 That wasn't the issue.

00:38:01.160 The issue was that the rule of law in this country was being completely disregarded.

00:38:07.180 And the lawyers in this country catastrophically failed the public.

00:38:12.280 The courts still continue to this day to catastrophically fail the public.

00:38:17.520 The government, well, I don't need to talk about them.

00:38:20.020 Law enforcement in this country have failed the public.

00:38:24.720 And, you know, we saw...

00:38:26.100 Academia, the doctors.

00:38:27.160 Academia, yes.

00:38:28.260 Yeah.

00:38:28.800 So the doctors are starting to come around a little bit.

00:38:32.300 And, you know, we talk about what's going on in Twitter.

00:38:34.160 And with the Elon Musk purchase of Twitter, the lack of censorship you're seeing on Twitter

00:38:40.820 right now.

00:38:41.360 And what I found interesting is the other day, he said, okay, all social media, other social

00:38:46.740 media platforms, he's not going to allow you to put links on there.

00:38:50.120 And, you know, a few people were like, what is all that about?

00:38:52.660 Why would you do that?

00:38:53.600 And I think, I don't know, because Elon Musk doesn't return my calls.

00:38:57.980 But I'm suspecting that the reason he's doing that, he's saying, you know what, I'm going

00:39:03.240 to punish you guys.

00:39:04.580 I'm going to punish you. 0.93

00:39:05.900 You're not going to put your stuff on my platform, because you're censorship giants.

00:39:12.560 And so I think that that's probably what it's all about, is that the fact that you've been

00:39:16.040 censoring for all this time, I'm not going to reward you and allow your link to be on

00:39:19.900 my platform.

00:39:20.980 If you change your rules, then maybe I'll allow Facebook posts to come back onto my Twitter.

00:39:25.180 But if you stop censoring and act in good faith and leave your, you know, members alone

00:39:33.640 with censorship, it's fine.

00:39:35.080 They're actually the product.

00:39:36.620 Yeah, the product, right?

00:39:38.000 So, you know, we're seeing a lot more people come out on Twitter, and they're more open,

00:39:43.440 and they're talking about things, and they're not afraid to be banned.

00:39:46.460 Okay, they're not afraid to have their accounts frozen.

00:39:49.120 That's a good thing.

00:39:50.680 That is a good thing for society, to have an open dialogue.

00:39:53.500 So, unfortunately, we've not remembered how to have a proper, open, respectful dialogue.

00:39:59.280 We just attack each other like it's a blood sport.

00:40:01.900 Yeah.

00:40:03.680 And that's why I block everybody.

00:40:06.000 I mute them.

00:40:06.860 I block people.

00:40:07.840 I mute them.

00:40:08.500 I let them scream into the ether at me, and I just ignore them.

00:40:12.520 Yeah, I just block them because I just don't care enough.

00:40:16.300 If you want to attack an issue, and if you want to have a dialogue about something, I'll

00:40:19.940 do it all along, as long as you're not attacking me personally.

00:40:23.920 Yeah.

00:40:24.040 But I find more often than not, they just go from my throat, and I just ignore you with

00:40:28.300 a block.

00:40:28.820 I don't care.

00:40:29.620 Yeah.

00:40:29.640 You know, and that's the thing.

00:40:30.720 They can speak all day about whatever nonsense they want, but I don't have to listen to them.

00:40:35.140 Oh, my God.

00:40:36.220 I'm not required to listen to you.

00:40:39.240 Yeah.

00:40:39.880 Yeah.

00:40:40.620 Tom, I know I'm taking up a bunch of your time today, so I will ask you this.

00:40:46.000 What's next for you?

00:40:48.680 Well, I do have to get the book finished, and it's unfortunately going to be delayed.

00:40:53.600 I really wanted to hit the anniversary of the Emergency Act, but because of everything we

00:40:57.560 learned in the commission, I'm just not going to be able to do it.

00:41:00.520 And I don't think that the book would be done properly if I didn't add what we learned,

00:41:07.160 the behind-the-scenes from the government and law enforcement.

00:41:10.040 So that's pretty much what I'm going to do, and after that, I'm not really sure, to be

00:41:15.000 honest.

00:41:15.980 Maybe I'll get a job at Walmart as a greeter, go back into hiding.

00:41:20.360 I don't know.

00:41:20.980 I have no idea what I'm going to do.

00:41:24.300 And I think spend more time with my kids, obviously, because I haven't spent as much

00:41:29.960 with them in the last year as they deserve.

00:41:34.160 So I've got to connect with my family.

00:41:36.120 However, I'm still going to be very active, very vocal on social media, speaking out about

00:41:43.020 a lot of the things that the government is doing, because I think 2023, for us, we're

00:41:50.220 going to be the frogs in the boiling pot in terms of legislation. 0.92

00:41:53.700 Because Canadians don't pay attention to what's going on in the willfully ignorant people 0.99

00:42:01.620 in this country. 0.99

00:42:02.300 Don't pay attention to what's happening with legislation.

00:42:04.920 In 2023 will be the year of legislation.

00:42:09.460 We're past COVID.

00:42:11.280 You're going to wake up and just by virtue of opening a gun, be a criminal.

00:42:15.500 You're going to wake up and have your ability to use free speech on social media, because

00:42:23.780 the government's going to have C-11.

00:42:26.700 You're going to see, well, we're talking about Bill 21 and C-11, right?

00:42:32.960 So that's the gun ban.

00:42:34.040 That's the censorship.

00:42:35.240 You've got the federal 36, C-36.

00:42:38.920 You've got nade taking effect.

00:42:41.340 Certain things were supposed to be triggered in March.

00:42:43.340 You're going to have C-36, which is this insanity happening in British Columbia right now, where

00:42:49.280 that new premier has off his rocker, wants to make it a crime to, if you're a healthcare

00:42:57.040 worker in the province of BC, to openly or publicly criticize anything to do with COVID

00:43:02.820 measures.

00:43:04.460 Like he's talking jail time in a $200,000 fine for criticizing the government's response

00:43:10.460 to COVID, even though there's people with a crazy amount of vaccine injuries going on

00:43:17.220 across this country right now.

00:43:18.520 He's still pushing that narrative.

00:43:20.040 He's lost his mind.

00:43:22.140 So there is so much legislation that's in the pipeline right now that I think that's what

00:43:26.900 this next year coming is going to be all about.

00:43:29.720 We're going to be less and less and less free as time goes on.

00:43:33.480 Every month, it's going to be a new law that further restricts your freedom as a citizen

00:43:37.640 of this supposed free country.

00:43:41.180 So that's troubling.

00:43:43.100 Yeah.

00:43:44.160 Tom, I don't think obscurity is in the cards for you going forward.

00:43:48.220 I don't think you fading into obscurity will be good for the country either.

00:43:55.100 I think your best place is in the fight for freedom.

00:43:59.980 And while I am pessimistic about the government, I remain optimistic about humanity in that it

00:44:05.720 is our natural inclination to be free.

00:44:09.540 And so even though tyranny was normalized over the past two and a half, let's say three years,

00:44:15.140 and government overreach became a daily occurrence, they can only get away with that for so long.

00:44:22.160 And every great tyranny in the history of humanity has fallen.

00:44:26.780 And it has been normal people who took it down.

00:44:28.720 I couldn't agree more.

00:44:30.800 And despite all the pessimistic things that I've said in this conversation, I do believe

00:44:37.440 that we are going to come out better than when we started almost three years ago.

00:44:42.400 I really do think that.

00:44:44.040 And I also want to say, I think that 2023 is going to be a great awakening for people,

00:44:51.240 and not just in Canada, but around the world.

00:44:53.220 And I think you're going to see the public.

00:44:55.340 I'm hoping that it isn't civil unrest.

00:44:57.820 I don't want to see violence.

00:44:59.240 I don't want to see this country torn apart.

00:45:01.300 I think we can do it.

00:45:02.900 I think we can get through this and make the changes that we need to see in this country

00:45:07.520 happen without violence.

00:45:09.920 But I hate to say it, the more the government pushes, it keeps that as an unfortunate option

00:45:18.620 for some people in this country.

00:45:20.360 And I don't want to see that happen.

00:45:21.560 But at some point, the government is going to have to either back off or the public is

00:45:29.780 going to have to reassert itself as the people that are truly, truly in charge of this country.

00:45:36.540 That's what I'm hopeful for.

00:45:37.800 You know who's cheering for the people to get violent?

00:45:40.080 The government.

00:45:41.440 Because they can meet with overwhelming force.

00:45:44.420 Tom, I could talk to you all day, but I am just out of a meeting.

00:45:48.660 I'm going to head into another one.

00:45:50.960 Thanks so much.

00:45:52.380 We'll stay in touch, definitely.

00:45:54.400 Merry Christmas to you and your family.

00:45:56.780 And best wishes in the new year.

00:45:59.380 Thank you.

00:45:59.800 I make no exaggeration when I say that I could talk to Tom all day.

00:46:10.220 Now, this is a portion of the show where we want to hear from you.

00:46:14.280 I give out my email every single week because unlike the mainstream media, I actually am curious

00:46:19.700 about what you think about the work that we're doing here at Rebel News and the topics that

00:46:24.200 we're covering.

00:46:24.780 And so if you want to send me an email, it's Sheila at RebelNews.com.

00:46:29.640 It's really easy.

00:46:30.460 Put gun show letters, two N's please, in the subject line so it's easy for me to find. 0.60

00:46:35.340 But also sometimes I go poking around on Rumble, even the censorship platform of YouTube to

00:46:40.420 see your comments there.

00:46:41.920 So you know what?

00:46:43.100 Leave a comment everywhere and you might just end up on the show.

00:46:46.320 Now, tonight's letter comes to me by way of Don Withers and he writes about a show I

00:46:53.500 did a couple weeks back and frankly, this is something, this show that I did a couple

00:46:58.760 weeks back, I'm getting a lot of viewer feedback still on it.

00:47:03.860 Don writes, I'm a retired energy worker that was born in Alberta.

00:47:07.180 I was watching the show with the NFA, that's the National Firearms Association.

00:47:10.900 I interviewed Rick Igersich a couple weeks back and was pleasantly surprised to note that

00:47:16.120 you are the first public figure I know of with the courage to say that closing the border

00:47:20.940 would do more to decrease crime than persecuting legal firearms owners.

00:47:24.980 Yeah, of course it would.

00:47:26.580 How do you think the guns are getting into the country?

00:47:29.680 Immigration is unfortunately the third rail of all politics and anyone who mentions that 1.00

00:47:33.960 bringing in millions of unvetted people from the most violent countries in the world is 1.00

00:47:37.620 not a great idea will be attacked 24 hours a day.

00:47:41.300 Let's even set aside that people that we have no control over or have no information on

00:47:47.900 are just strolling into the country at Rocks and Road.

00:47:50.680 Let's set that aside.

00:47:52.200 Like I said, if people can walk into the country, surely they can bring guns.

00:47:57.380 But there are a whole host of other issues that are caused by our immigration levels and 1.00

00:48:04.680 I am not by any means anti-immigration.

00:48:07.900 I think orderly immigration is the way to go, especially in a society that is not doing well

00:48:12.920 to replace itself.

00:48:13.960 We've sort of vilified parenthood and procreation in this country.

00:48:18.580 And then we've made it impossibly expensive for people to have kids and live the Canadian 1.00

00:48:24.400 dream, get a house with a backyard and a couple of kids, even afford to get married.

00:48:29.300 But our high immigration levels put pressure on housing supply and it drives up the cost of 1.00

00:48:39.380 housing.

00:48:39.880 And so it's not fair to immigrants, but also people who are already here.

00:48:44.900 So new Canadians and old Canadians, for lack of a better term, nobody can afford a house. 1.00

00:48:51.220 So if you slow down immigration so that housing supply can catch up and so that everybody has 1.00

00:48:57.900 a job when they get here.

00:48:59.000 And if we are tailoring our immigration to our domestic workforce needs, like we need 0.50

00:49:06.700 welders in Alberta, maybe we need to seek out immigrants with the skills that we need 1.00

00:49:11.780 to grow the economy.

00:49:13.240 I think that's a better way to do things rather than just take all comers.

00:49:21.120 I think we should probably be a little more choosy.

00:49:24.280 Anyway, the letter goes on.

00:49:26.340 Sorry about that segue.

00:49:27.140 I also purchased a one-year membership to the National Firearms Association today as

00:49:34.700 a way to help them out.

00:49:35.460 Well, that's great.

00:49:36.680 I was never a hunter, but started target shooting when I retired five years ago.

00:49:40.820 I got a severe case of the firearm bug everybody does.

00:49:44.260 That's why I say take a liberal to the gun range. 0.99

00:49:46.200 We'll fix them right up.

00:49:48.000 Anyways, I got a severe case of the firearm bug and now shoot three times a week, own more

00:49:52.520 handguns than fingers and a couple of semi-auto black guns that are now illegal, mainly

00:49:56.960 because they have pistol grips, barrel shrouds, folding stock, and have the potential to use

00:50:01.640 a magazine that is more than five rounds.

00:50:03.560 That's a really important point because Don puts potential in capital letters.

00:50:11.500 Your gun doesn't have to hold a magazine that has five rounds to be banned.

00:50:17.340 It has to have the potential to hold a magazine that can hold five rounds to be outlawed.

00:50:24.940 When speaking of Bill 21, everyone talks about hunters.

00:50:28.000 Could you please mention target shooters so we are included and not forgotten when the

00:50:31.700 dust has settled on this matter?

00:50:33.040 Definitely.

00:50:34.240 You know what?

00:50:34.900 I don't think it matters.

00:50:36.020 What you use your lawfully obtained firearm for.

00:50:38.980 If you didn't break the law to get it, why are you suddenly now breaking the law to own

00:50:44.840 it after the fact?

00:50:46.880 It doesn't make any sense to me, but I'm not a liberal.

00:50:50.560 He goes on.

00:50:51.420 I'm sure you've noticed, but it's becoming more apparent that Indigenous people are being 1.00

00:50:55.160 used as a political weapon in Canada.

00:50:57.120 Yeah.

00:50:57.680 Many organizations use them to block pipelines or energy projects, as well as stirring up

00:51:02.820 the usual systemic racism narrative.

00:51:04.620 I'm glad the Indigenous organizations are starting to push back against Bill C-21, but

00:51:09.340 I would feel better if these organizations included all Canadians in their demands to

00:51:13.120 respect the rights to hunting and firearm ownership.

00:51:17.060 When you see the small clips on the news, the Liberals are now saying that, of course, the

00:51:21.020 hunting rights of all Indigenous and Métis will be respected, but no mention of the rights

00:51:24.760 of non-Indigenous Canadians.

00:51:26.560 I think that's the Liberals dividing people apart.

00:51:31.180 I don't think it is the Indigenous organizations doing that.

00:51:34.620 I think hunters and firearms owners and sports shooters, we stand shoulder to shoulder and

00:51:40.160 we don't divide ourselves around racial lines.

00:51:43.320 It's the Liberals trying to pit us against each other by carving out exemptions for certain

00:51:49.300 ones of us based on our ethnicity.

00:51:52.880 And I'm not going to let them do that.

00:51:54.540 I've been a subscriber since Ezra started the Rebel in his living room, and I followed him 0.93

00:51:59.740 a bit when he was at Sun News.

00:52:01.340 Thank you for your tireless work publicizing what everyday Canadians care about.

00:52:04.540 Best regards.

00:52:05.980 Don Withers of Lethbridge.

00:52:07.600 Well, thanks for the great letter, Don, and thanks for letting me just interject my thoughts

00:52:12.360 along the way.

00:52:14.700 Thanks for your support all these years.

00:52:16.840 But yeah, that's my goal here at Rebel News is to do news for the normals.

00:52:23.840 I think I'm like you when you read the news from some of the corporate government-sponsored,

00:52:31.760 I'll call them, media outlets.

00:52:33.880 It's like they've never spoken to a normal person before.

00:52:36.320 They've never met a hunter or a righ hand or a farmer or a blue-collared person or anybody 0.70

00:52:41.080 from the working class, quite frankly.

00:52:42.560 And they look at us like we're zoo animals, and they think they know better than we do

00:52:47.240 about how we need to live our lives.

00:52:49.320 And I say no thanks, because those people, they're the people who could survive the least

00:52:55.820 without all the help from the government.

00:52:58.700 And so I don't need to take their life advice on anything.

00:53:01.960 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:53:03.500 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:53:05.520 Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, Happy Hanukkah, whatever holiday you celebrate this time of

00:53:09.300 year.

00:53:09.460 I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next weekend.

00:53:14.040 Remember, as always, you know, I'm thinking about a new tagline for next year.

00:53:17.720 But for now, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:53:39.460 Thank you.

00:53:46.320 Alright.

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Rebel News Podcast - December 29, 2022

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Looking back at the year that was and asking what 2023 will bring： Freedom Convoy's Tom Marazzo

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