When Prime Minister Mark Carney says he's open to pipelines, I don't believe him. Today, we'll discuss why. Guest: Michelle Sterling, Communications Director of Friends of Science. Thanks to our sponsor, Rebel News.
00:03:00.740I think that the Liberals are going to get better at confusing Canadians about where carbon pricing is and where it's being applied.
00:03:14.980And I'd say yes, yes, yes to all of those things.
00:03:19.620So the big win for the Conservatives and Polyev was getting the carbon tax zeroed.
00:03:29.660That would never have happened without, what, five years of the Canadian taxpayers' Fed and the Conservatives just pounding away on Axe the Tax.
00:03:40.880But unfortunately, the climate community really wants that carbon tax.
00:03:46.180And even if you recall the World Economic Forum's little video about you'll owe nothing, one of the promises by 2020 is that there would be a global price on carbon.
00:03:57.040And so they've been actively beavering away on that.
00:04:01.980And at the last COP, which was COP 29 in the fall, just days after President Trump was elected, they finally got this thing organized.
00:04:16.640They've been trying to do this for decades.
00:04:18.760And there's a couple of explainers you can find online with the Nature Conservancy.
00:04:25.980So, and they actually say in here that the whole point of the Paris Agreement was not to save the planet, but to enable international carbon trading.
00:04:37.340So, people probably have heard in the past, Premier Smith has talked about Article 6.
00:04:46.000And the whole idea would be that, let's say we sell our natural gas to China, then somehow that counts against or reduces the emissions count on our nationally,
00:04:58.120nationally, nationally, national contributions, nationally distributed contributions in Canada, because we would be reducing the use of coal in another part of the world, for example.
00:05:11.160But at the time, you know, everybody said to her, no, no, no, that's ridiculous.
00:05:14.540But meanwhile, secretly in the background, they're still working very, very hard on this.
00:05:20.080And the election of President Trump, you know, really threw a spanner in the works, because he's completely pulled back from the Paris Agreement,
00:05:31.000cancelled all the previous climate commitments, won't be paying money into the loss and damage fund,
00:05:36.860pulled money out of some of the international organizations.
00:05:40.920He's forbidden U.S. scientists to go to some of the IPCC planning sessions and defunded them entirely.
00:05:51.820And we are probably going the other way with Mark Carney in charge, because as you mentioned before, we went live.
00:06:02.080He wrote the book Values, and in it, he thinks that 80% of the fossil fuels in the world must be kept in the ground.
00:06:10.920So that's a problem for Alberta, since we have 50% of the world's fossil fuels, or oil, anyway, most of it in the oil sands, 50% of the free world's oil reserves.
00:06:29.700So, you know, and we haven't heard throughout the election campaign, and somewhat before as well, we've heard almost nothing from the tar sands campaign.
00:06:41.280Now, the tar sands campaign is a huge network of environmental groups and climate activists, and it's networked internationally.
00:06:49.960I did a little video about this called Pipe Dream, where I sort of count down all the things that would have to change in Canada for us to build a pipeline, all the laws we'd have to change.
00:07:02.140But we'd also have to disassemble this very tight network, very powerful network.
00:07:07.080And just so people know, after Mark Carney was elected as leader of the Liberal Party and de facto Prime Minister, he met with the senior ENGOs the morning before he was sworn in.
00:07:21.820Now, can you imagine, had he met with, say, the oil and gas group, or the Premier of Alberta, and Premier Scott Moe, or Ontario auto manufacturers, before being sworn in?
00:07:38.080You know, it's almost like they extracted a climate promise from him.
00:08:06.680I mean, she has taken credit for the plastic straw ban, which is one of the most extremist, yet simultaneously stupid things ever done by the last Liberal government.
00:08:21.880She's one of those, I ride my bike to work, so you definitely don't need a car kind of ladies.
00:08:27.820I think things are just going to get worse and worse.
00:08:30.260And while Mark Carney is telling some media that he would be in favour potentially of a pipeline, first of all, we should have a spider web of pipelines going in all directions in this country, given our vast oil and gas reserves.
00:08:44.960But you cannot build a pipeline without removing the bureaucratic and policy prohibitions to a private sector company coming and investing in Canada.
00:08:59.700And while Bill C-69 is there and all the crazy, you know, gender-based analysis plus thrown into any sort of major energy approval process, you're not going to get a company coming in and saying, yes, let's restart Energy East.
00:09:16.200They're going to look at it and say, you know what, we're going to go somewhere where the investment climate is a little more favourable, like Iraq or Nigeria, where you just have to pay off the local warlord instead of deal with the Liberal government.
00:09:30.320You know, about the time that Kinder Morgan dropped tools, stopped work on Trans Mountain expansion, and that was just before the Liberals were forced to buy it.
00:09:42.900It was PPHB Energy Bankers out of Houston who issued their newsletter, and they said that Canada had become hostile to business because the government was busy picking winners and losers.
00:09:59.880And they said that for all of the industries in Canada, this has an impact, especially because many of these industries, like mining, forestry, oil and gas, you know, they have a 30-year horizon on development of projects.
00:10:16.060And ordinary people don't know that, but by the time there's a pipeline happening or a big project happening, people have been chipping away at that for 20, 30 years.
00:10:25.460So, you know, that's a big investment of time and energy only to come to near fruition and have a bunch of activists show up and, you know, cancel your project because of some little flower or beagle or whatever.
00:10:43.920You know, and people don't realise Alberta actually was the leader in Canada on environment and climate issues.
00:10:50.180In 2002, we wrote the legislation on climate and environment.
00:10:55.300We had the first GHG trading process in Alberta only for large emitters, the carbon tax for large emitters.
00:11:04.780And, you know, we had extremely good environmental regulations here in this province that was leadership at the time.
00:11:13.120And we've just been smeared ever since by all of these activists and principally people like Stephen Gilbeau.
00:11:21.640And there's a very strong group of the leading environmental groups called the Strathmere Alliance.
00:11:30.100This was put together by Marlo Reynolds, formerly of the Pembina Institute.
00:11:37.520And these guys are very, very powerful and influential.
00:11:40.940They generally operate behind the scenes, but you can read about 13 or 14 articles that Parker Gallant has written about them.
00:11:51.140And Parker is a retired former international banker.
00:11:55.920So he's on a par with Mr. Carney in terms of his life experience in that field.
00:12:03.500So, you know, Parker's articles show the tremendous influence, hidden influence that these groups have that people are not aware of.
00:12:14.960And they hear what they send them their $30, you know, saying, oh, of course, I want to save the planet for my children.
00:12:21.000And in the meantime, these guys are out blocking every kind of energy or resource development, partly because they ultimately want to facilitate Article VI international carbon trading.
00:12:34.820So this has been going on for a long time, ever since Kyoto.
00:15:09.040I saw, I was at a presentation once in Calgary.
00:15:12.600And I don't remember the fellow's name, unfortunately, but he described the National Energy Board, which had been operating for about 60 years.
00:15:20.960And most people in Canada had never heard of it, really, you know, until eco-justice decided to smear its reputation and destroy it.
00:15:29.520But, like, the way that this fellow described it, he said, you know, the reason why it's the envy of the world is that he compared it to, like, going to university.
00:15:43.660If you want to be an engineer and you go to university, the university gives you the parameters you have to meet, how much you have to pay, how many classes you have to take,
00:15:52.860what grades you have to get, when you have to complete them by, what practicums you have to do, you know, it's very straightforward.
00:16:01.460And if you meet all of those requirements, then you will probably be granted an engineering degree.
00:16:09.800And then you'll go on and you'll do your internship with other engineers.
00:16:15.580And ultimately, you'll become a professional engineer.
00:16:18.920But, you know, those parameters are very clear.
00:16:48.900And so, what the activists wanted to do was to add climate change into that and make that sort of the overriding purpose of the evaluation.
00:16:58.880And they also turned it into a very subjective kind of process.
00:17:04.420And in the video that we did called Pipe Dreams, where I'm wearing my Euler shirt on my deck with my Jasper the Bear beer in hand, yeah, it was very technical.
00:17:18.300And in that video, you can see the boxes.
00:17:20.900I think they had 33,000 boxes, 30,000 boxes of technical documentation that they had to send to Ottawa for Energy East.
00:17:33.020So, there's a picture of that ready and shipped, right?
00:17:36.920So, people don't realize, like, these companies have hundreds of different people, from regulatory experts to engineers, geophysical site analysis, surveyors, landmen.
00:17:54.220And, you know, they have hundreds of people working to develop just this project, to send it to the NEB.
00:18:00.700And then, at the NEB, they had hundreds of highly qualified people, like real professional engineers, who would look at the work from the professional engineers and tick all the boxes or say, you know what?
00:18:11.340We think that should go back to the drawing board.
00:18:14.060So, it was a very, very expensive and technical process.
00:18:18.440But, you know, you want these pipelines to operate for 50, 60, 100 years with little to no maintenance.
00:18:25.580So, you want that level of excellence.
00:18:28.820And now, this whole process has been degraded thanks to Ecojustice and their campaign, their smear campaign against the National Energy Board.
00:18:37.700It's been degraded to something where they could do all this very technical work, and then someone would come in and say, I don't like it.
00:18:46.440I don't think it's in the national interest.
00:19:02.700I mean, look no further than the gender-based analysis plus that they put into this stuff.
00:19:08.600What does that have to do with anything that I have to all of a sudden, if I'm trying to build a multi-billion dollar pipeline project, ask the local feminist group how the pipeline makes them feel?
00:19:22.260And not to mention, although, you know, affirmative action is not necessarily a negative thing to help people who do need a bit of a hand up, the practical reality is that engineering is a very difficult field.
00:19:38.320And white males far outnumber anybody else, not because it's racist, it's just a matter of demographics in North America and a matter of the fact that it's a very complex, challenging field.
00:19:54.780And it requires people who really love that detail and are willing to spend that time, you know, with their calculators and their models, like running things over and over again to make sure that it works.
00:20:09.800Because, you know, they have an ethical and legal mandate to protect society.
00:20:16.200So it's not just like, oh, we do this because we're OCD, you know, we do this because we don't want to have, whether you're like a civil engineer or a building engineer, you know, we don't want to have your building fall down.
00:20:30.860We don't want to have you fly off the road because the camber isn't right.
00:20:34.520We don't want you to have your, you know, the pipeline burst because we use the wrong kind of weld.
00:20:41.860You know, we want everything to work as long as it can, as safely as it can, and be good for society.
00:20:49.400So, you know, and they're up against the activists who are planning on saving the planet, but have no technical background like that.
00:21:15.060And I could talk about how terrible Mark Carney will be for the oil and gas sector forever.
00:21:20.380But I want to focus a little bit on the last portion of the show, on your research into the Kamloops Indian Residential School and the discovery or, frankly, lack of discovery there.
00:21:35.280You've been following this closely since the very beginning.
00:21:38.720You've been writing extensively on your sub stack about this.
00:21:41.320You've been critical of the people who are attempting to rewrite history with such document documentaries.
00:21:49.260I don't know if I should even call it that.
00:21:50.560I don't know if I should be able to write history with such document documentaries, but I don't recommend you watch it, but I suppose someone might watch it for themselves.
00:22:02.840But unpack the latest story about a child that disappeared, allegedly, at one of these residential schools, because that has really been one of the criticisms.
00:22:17.880If someone is missing, if someone was disappeared at a residential school, give us a name.
00:22:23.920And I guess they tried, but even that doesn't quite work out.
00:22:27.640Yeah, well, this is an interesting story.
00:22:30.900There's a woman named Kimberly Murray.
00:22:32.980Many people might be familiar with her name.
00:22:35.220She was the special interlocutor on missing children and unmarked graves related to Indian residential schools.
00:22:44.840And she was contracted for about two and a half years.
00:22:47.720During that time, she put out three reports, each one becoming more and more hysterical.
00:22:53.620And I've covered most of her reports in either my Substack or my Medium articles.
00:22:59.040But quite often in her articles or in her reports, she would defeat herself.
00:23:04.740For instance, she tells the story of Mary Yvonne Ukaliniak, I think her last name is, a little girl from the high Arctic, whose mother was sent to a TB sanatorium in the south.
00:23:21.120Therefore, there was only the father to care for the kids.
00:23:24.680And this little girl was sent on to a hostel and subsequently got TB.
00:23:30.680So she probably originally got it from her mom and then was sent down east as she became progressively more and more ill and needed more and more care and ended up dying in the Cecil Batter's home.
00:23:44.500So, you know, people tried to make out that this was a bad and a terrible thing because she never came home.
00:23:52.000Well, this was back in the 60s, I believe.
00:23:55.060And, you know, even today, the care for her would not exist there.
00:24:00.480So the last report of Kimberly Murray's tried to make the case that children were being disappeared as, you know, in places like Argentina and Guatemala, where there were military coups and people literally were disappeared.
00:24:15.980They were snatched from home in the middle of the night.
00:24:18.700But in those cases, the families would stand outside consulates with pictures of their family and the name and dates underneath.
00:24:26.240You know, it was very clear who they were.
00:24:29.160In this case, there's now this fellow named Percy O'Nabigan, which has been in the press a lot lately, especially on CDC.
00:24:38.260And they claimed that this child was partially paralyzed and epileptic, that he was taken from his home by force to a residential school and subsequently passed on to various medical institutions in the south of Ontario, far from his home.
00:24:54.680And that he ended up dying at age 27 near Woodstock.
00:25:00.020And so the family found him partly through the work of Kimberly Murray and her last report.
00:25:09.660So he is a case, a seminal case of a child having been disappeared, right, by force.
00:25:16.400But the thing is that if you look at the death certificates for the family in that area, you find that Percy O'Nabigan died at age three and a half months old.
00:25:28.100So they've dug up somebody in southern Ontario who is not who they claim to be.
00:25:33.560And Percy O'Nabigan, since he was only three and a half years old, could not have been at home folding laundry and helping his mom.
00:25:39.760And apparently there was a twin of Percy named Harold.
00:26:16.280Both had to be approved in Ottawa before the child would be admitted.
00:26:20.220However, as Robert Carney writes in his critique of the Royal Commission on Aboriginal People's Report from 1996,
00:26:27.920in it he says, they should have acknowledged that these residential schools, especially in remote locations,
00:26:35.700were very much the social services and medical hub of the region.
00:26:39.500And they would take in disabled, orphaned, ill children, people with developmental handicaps.
00:26:48.920So it is possible that this Harold may have gone there and he may have been sent on for more care.
00:26:55.500But in those times, people often, families often turned a difficult family member over to the government as a ward of the state to be cared for.
00:27:06.640Because we didn't have social services at the community level.
00:27:09.800That didn't develop until well into the 60s.
00:27:13.080And, you know, a child like that needed additional care.
00:27:18.220So they, the family and Kimberly Murray have campaigned on this issue saying that Canada committed a human rights crime
00:27:27.260because they took this kid away from his family.
00:29:32.960And in our culture, we never disturb anyone.
00:29:36.460So we can't do any excavations there and check, even though it's pretty clear that the area where the 215 anomalies were found is lying over top of a former set of 2,000 feet of septic trenches.
00:29:52.000So your little children at school are tying orange ribbons to a fence in remembrance of septic tiles.
00:30:03.080And the other thing that people don't realize, the Kamloops find was the trigger that pushed UNDRIP, the United Nations Declaration of Rights of Indigenous People.
00:30:32.400You know, what exactly were we getting ourselves into?
00:30:35.080Well, as soon as that Kamloops news hit, boom, it went through Parliament like that.
00:30:42.280Within less than a month, it passed and received royal assent.
00:30:46.000And people need to realize that the day after, China accused Canada of genocide at the UN and it cited the Kamloops incident.
00:30:56.400So, you know, these things are connected.
00:31:01.000We know there's a lot of interference in Canada from China.
00:31:06.220Sam Cooper and Jason James on Brave New Normal have been tracking that, doing a great job of exposing all these things that people don't know are happening.
00:31:15.940But this is a very important issue because, really, Canada is now running on, at best, a lie and, at worst, an exaggeration.
00:31:29.340So, you know, we have to turn this around.
00:31:34.460And anyway, I hope people will read my sub-stack and have a look at my mini-documentary, Rebutting Sugarcane.
00:31:41.180It's called The Bitter Roots of Sugarcane.
00:31:43.560It's free of charge. It's on my sub-stack.
00:32:43.280It's a blood libel against all Roman Catholics, against all of the good work that the grey nuns and the Oblate Fathers and all the other Christian denominations did in Canada with the native people.
00:32:56.380And, you know, most of the children who went to school, their families had already converted to Christianity long before that.
00:33:03.860So the whole idea that they were being forcibly converted is also wrong.
00:33:09.660And obviously, many of the children who went to these schools were homesick, were lonely.
00:33:18.440Many of them came from homes that had domestic violence or that were absolutely destitute.
00:33:24.920And they were rescued from those homes.
00:33:27.320So, you know, thousands of Indigenous orphans would not have had a life at all.
00:33:33.720And if you read the online accounts of the grey nuns coming west, one of the first things they did was to adopt children and give them a place to live.
00:33:44.560Because subsistence people didn't have room for the developmentally handicapped or the orphans that were an extra mouth to feed when they really, you know, were relying on living off the land.
00:34:01.020And these women especially put up with unbelievable hardship that, you know, should be honoured and not disrespected as is done today.
00:34:58.660Maybe we should make all these things clear to him because I think with Pope Francis, may he rest in peace, I think with him coming from Argentina and a background where there actually was this kind of military coup and a genocide of innocent people, disappeared people.
00:35:20.160You know, for him, it would be quite possible that it did happen here.
00:35:24.860I don't think a lot of, and I don't think a lot of modern day bishops actually know anything about Canadian history or the Oblates or the Grey Nuns.
00:35:33.200I think they're completely oblivious to it.
00:35:35.480So they also probably go, well, okay, it could happen.
00:35:37.960You know, and Christians tend to go, I'll just take that slap and turn the other cheek rather than saying, wait a minute.
00:35:45.940So there's a very interesting priest named Father Cristino Bouvette, and he's got a very interesting interview online.
00:35:56.960He's an Indigenous Catholic priest, and his mother went to residential school.
00:36:01.920So I think people should listen to what he has to say as well.
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00:40:25.480And they were just also rands, by which I mean people who weren't really candidates, but they were able to get the required number of signatures to get their names on the ballot so that they pushed Pierre Polyev's name down.
00:40:38.620And it was basically to fatigue the voter and just say, okay, fine, we'll just check here or whatever.
00:40:48.740Now, I don't know how effective that was because it was those people were also able to find the liberal candidate there.
00:41:09.180I have read it has something to do with the first-past-the-post system, but it doesn't make sense to me that they would target Pierre and not the Liberal Party.
00:41:15.840Also, who calls the by-election that Pierre is thinking of running in?
00:41:19.920Well, Pierre Polyev is not thinking of running in Battle River Crowfoot.
00:41:25.100The Conservative MP who should never have to buy a beer for himself anywhere in Alberta for the rest of his life, Damien Kurek, stepped aside before he even qualified for his pension.
00:41:39.240Jagmeet Singh damaged the country for the good of his pension.
00:41:47.660And Damien Kurek damaged his pension for the good of the country.
00:41:52.700That's the definition of selfish versus selfless.
00:41:59.320Now, if they do organize, I mean, it's sleazy.
00:42:06.440It's taking advantage of our democratic system to try to confuse the voter.
00:42:14.780But it's going to be nothing but a waste of time in Battle River Crowfoot.
00:42:21.340That is one of the most conservative voting regions, not just in Canada, in North America, if not the world.
00:42:30.360Routinely, the Conservatives take that riding with over 80% of the vote.
00:42:36.920So, I mean, they can try to pull this stuff again, but I don't think it is going to be effective.
00:42:46.460And, you know, it was sleazy, but I don't think that it really tipped the scale either in Carleton, because they were able to find Bruce Fanjoy's name on the ballot, ensuring that he got more votes than Polyev.
00:43:03.860Now, F, of course, is ahead of P on the ballot, but still, right?
00:43:10.040Anyway, I hope that answers your question.
00:43:13.000There's a reason why they chose Battle River Crowfoot.
00:43:15.740Damien Kurek, he's going to go back to farming and being a dad, which I think, honestly, and I think you'll agree with me, far more productive careers than being a politician.
00:43:28.480And I think the conservative movement owes Damien Kurek a real thanks, a real debt of gratitude.
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