Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Mark Carney Won’t Build a Pipeline — And Westerners Know It

00:00:00.000 Mark Carney says he's open to pipelines. I don't believe him. Today we'll discuss why.

00:00:04.460 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:06.840 Prime Minister Mark Carney wrote an enormous manifesto, a book like this thick called Values,

00:00:31.660 about why he thinks that we need to leave 80% of the world's fossil fuels in the ground.

00:00:37.980 Now that also means leaving 80% of Alberta's fossil fuels in the ground.

00:00:42.260 He's never stepped away from his views that he expressed in his manifesto values.

00:00:49.160 He's never denied or said that he's changed his mind about what he wrote in values.

00:00:57.000 But now he's a prime minister.

00:00:58.520 He's a politician and he's saying some very political things like he's open to pipelines.

00:01:05.560 I imagine so, given that his company Brookfield Asset Management is investing in pipelines around the world,

00:01:15.520 including in our competitor of the United States and in South America.

00:01:21.300 So, I mean, I imagine he is open to pipelines, but I don't believe him.

00:01:26.620 And today I'll tell you why I don't believe that Mark Carney has had a sudden come to Jesus moment

00:01:34.700 on the value of the oil and gas sector here in Canada.

00:01:39.440 And I'll do that with my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science.

00:01:44.620 So we're going to discuss Mark Carney, pipelines, and then Michelle's work to uncover the truth

00:01:53.220 about residential schools in Canada.

00:01:57.960 Take a listen.

00:01:58.740 Joining me now is good friend of Rebel News, good friend to, I think, taxpayers all over the country,

00:02:11.760 and good friend to truth, my friend Michelle Sterling.

00:02:15.300 She's the communications director of Friends of Science.

00:02:18.700 We're going to talk about things that are within the Friends of Science purview today.

00:02:21.520 And we're also going to talk about things that are within the Michelle Sterling purview of her,

00:02:26.160 I think, her expertise and research.

00:02:29.600 Michelle, it's been a long time since you've been on the show, far too long.

00:02:33.180 Thank you so much for agreeing to come on.

00:02:35.620 My pleasure.

00:02:36.200 My pleasure.

00:02:36.800 Big changes in the past month or two.

00:02:39.400 Yeah.

00:02:39.640 And I think, and I'll defer to you on this, but I think things are going to get worse, but just sneakier.

00:02:52.220 Like, I don't think carbon taxes are necessarily going away.

00:02:55.660 I really don't think pipelines are going to get built.

00:02:59.040 I'm not optimistic about that.

00:03:00.740 I think that the Liberals are going to get better at confusing Canadians about where carbon pricing is and where it's being applied.

00:03:14.980 And I'd say yes, yes, yes to all of those things.

00:03:19.620 So the big win for the Conservatives and Polyev was getting the carbon tax zeroed.

00:03:29.660 That would never have happened without, what, five years of the Canadian taxpayers' Fed and the Conservatives just pounding away on Axe the Tax.

00:03:40.880 But unfortunately, the climate community really wants that carbon tax.

00:03:46.180 And even if you recall the World Economic Forum's little video about you'll owe nothing, one of the promises by 2020 is that there would be a global price on carbon.

00:03:57.040 And so they've been actively beavering away on that.

00:04:01.980 And at the last COP, which was COP 29 in the fall, just days after President Trump was elected, they finally got this thing organized.

00:04:13.300 It's called Article 6.

00:04:16.640 They've been trying to do this for decades.

00:04:18.760 And there's a couple of explainers you can find online with the Nature Conservancy.

00:04:25.980 So, and they actually say in here that the whole point of the Paris Agreement was not to save the planet, but to enable international carbon trading.

00:04:37.340 So, people probably have heard in the past, Premier Smith has talked about Article 6.

00:04:46.000 And the whole idea would be that, let's say we sell our natural gas to China, then somehow that counts against or reduces the emissions count on our nationally,

00:04:58.120 nationally, nationally, national contributions, nationally distributed contributions in Canada, because we would be reducing the use of coal in another part of the world, for example.

00:05:11.160 But at the time, you know, everybody said to her, no, no, no, that's ridiculous.

00:05:14.540 But meanwhile, secretly in the background, they're still working very, very hard on this.

00:05:20.080 And the election of President Trump, you know, really threw a spanner in the works, because he's completely pulled back from the Paris Agreement,

00:05:31.000 cancelled all the previous climate commitments, won't be paying money into the loss and damage fund,

00:05:36.860 pulled money out of some of the international organizations.

00:05:40.920 He's forbidden U.S. scientists to go to some of the IPCC planning sessions and defunded them entirely.

00:05:51.820 And we are probably going the other way with Mark Carney in charge, because as you mentioned before, we went live.

00:06:02.080 He wrote the book Values, and in it, he thinks that 80% of the fossil fuels in the world must be kept in the ground.

00:06:10.920 So that's a problem for Alberta, since we have 50% of the world's fossil fuels, or oil, anyway, most of it in the oil sands, 50% of the free world's oil reserves.

00:06:24.580 So that's a pretty big chunk.

00:06:29.600 Yeah.

00:06:29.700 So, you know, and we haven't heard throughout the election campaign, and somewhat before as well, we've heard almost nothing from the tar sands campaign.

00:06:41.280 Now, the tar sands campaign is a huge network of environmental groups and climate activists, and it's networked internationally.

00:06:49.960 I did a little video about this called Pipe Dream, where I sort of count down all the things that would have to change in Canada for us to build a pipeline, all the laws we'd have to change.

00:07:02.140 But we'd also have to disassemble this very tight network, very powerful network.

00:07:07.080 And just so people know, after Mark Carney was elected as leader of the Liberal Party and de facto Prime Minister, he met with the senior ENGOs the morning before he was sworn in.

00:07:21.820 Now, can you imagine, had he met with, say, the oil and gas group, or the Premier of Alberta, and Premier Scott Moe, or Ontario auto manufacturers, before being sworn in?

00:07:38.080 You know, it's almost like they extracted a climate promise from him.

00:07:42.540 Who knows?

00:07:43.620 I was not at that meeting.

00:07:45.200 There hasn't been any reporting on it, other than that the National Observer said that happened.

00:07:49.320 And so, you know, it's a very powerful faction.

00:07:53.300 It's not going to go away.

00:07:54.240 And now we have this new climate change and environment minister, Julie DeBruson.

00:07:59.880 Yes.

00:08:00.960 Yeah, Julie DeBruson.

00:08:01.440 Who seems to be more extreme than Stephen Gilbeau, if that's possible.

00:08:06.460 Yeah. 0.97

00:08:06.680 I mean, she has taken credit for the plastic straw ban, which is one of the most extremist, yet simultaneously stupid things ever done by the last Liberal government. 0.82

00:08:17.780 She's anti-pipeline. 0.98

00:08:19.900 She's a climate zealot. 1.00

00:08:21.880 She's one of those, I ride my bike to work, so you definitely don't need a car kind of ladies. 1.00

00:08:27.820 I think things are just going to get worse and worse.

00:08:30.260 And while Mark Carney is telling some media that he would be in favour potentially of a pipeline, first of all, we should have a spider web of pipelines going in all directions in this country, given our vast oil and gas reserves.

00:08:44.960 But you cannot build a pipeline without removing the bureaucratic and policy prohibitions to a private sector company coming and investing in Canada.

00:08:59.700 And while Bill C-69 is there and all the crazy, you know, gender-based analysis plus thrown into any sort of major energy approval process, you're not going to get a company coming in and saying, yes, let's restart Energy East.

00:09:16.200 They're going to look at it and say, you know what, we're going to go somewhere where the investment climate is a little more favourable, like Iraq or Nigeria, where you just have to pay off the local warlord instead of deal with the Liberal government.

00:09:29.320 Yeah, that's right.

00:09:30.320 You know, about the time that Kinder Morgan dropped tools, stopped work on Trans Mountain expansion, and that was just before the Liberals were forced to buy it.

00:09:42.900 It was PPHB Energy Bankers out of Houston who issued their newsletter, and they said that Canada had become hostile to business because the government was busy picking winners and losers.

00:09:59.880 And they said that for all of the industries in Canada, this has an impact, especially because many of these industries, like mining, forestry, oil and gas, you know, they have a 30-year horizon on development of projects.

00:10:16.060 And ordinary people don't know that, but by the time there's a pipeline happening or a big project happening, people have been chipping away at that for 20, 30 years.

00:10:25.460 So, you know, that's a big investment of time and energy only to come to near fruition and have a bunch of activists show up and, you know, cancel your project because of some little flower or beagle or whatever.

00:10:43.920 You know, and people don't realise Alberta actually was the leader in Canada on environment and climate issues.

00:10:50.180 In 2002, we wrote the legislation on climate and environment.

00:10:55.300 We had the first GHG trading process in Alberta only for large emitters, the carbon tax for large emitters.

00:11:04.780 And, you know, we had extremely good environmental regulations here in this province that was leadership at the time.

00:11:13.120 And we've just been smeared ever since by all of these activists and principally people like Stephen Gilbeau.

00:11:19.920 He was part of Equiterre.

00:11:21.640 And there's a very strong group of the leading environmental groups called the Strathmere Alliance.

00:11:30.100 This was put together by Marlo Reynolds, formerly of the Pembina Institute.

00:11:37.520 And these guys are very, very powerful and influential.

00:11:40.940 They generally operate behind the scenes, but you can read about 13 or 14 articles that Parker Gallant has written about them.

00:11:51.140 And Parker is a retired former international banker.

00:11:55.920 So he's on a par with Mr. Carney in terms of his life experience in that field.

00:12:03.500 So, you know, Parker's articles show the tremendous influence, hidden influence that these groups have that people are not aware of.

00:12:14.960 And they hear what they send them their $30, you know, saying, oh, of course, I want to save the planet for my children.

00:12:21.000 And in the meantime, these guys are out blocking every kind of energy or resource development, partly because they ultimately want to facilitate Article VI international carbon trading.

00:12:34.820 So this has been going on for a long time, ever since Kyoto.

00:12:38.440 Kyoto was back in the 90s.

00:12:40.160 It was the forerunner to the Paris Agreement.

00:12:42.920 And at that time, Enron, which was a big energy company in the States, they were real promoters of this international carbon markets.

00:12:55.620 And then they went bankrupt.

00:12:57.860 So I find it interesting that there's an energy analyst named Anas Al-Haji on X.

00:13:04.020 And he says that carbon accounting is the mother of all Enrons.

00:13:10.660 So we're looking at a global Enron if we go into this carbon world. 0.50

00:13:15.840 But that's what they want.

00:13:17.660 So that, you know, Stephen Harper used to say, oh, all these environmental groups want to turn Canada into a giant park.

00:13:24.100 They do.

00:13:24.940 A giant park where they buy and sell carbon credits.

00:13:28.560 And I just want to get this into.

00:13:30.940 And, you know, who else is into it?

00:13:33.420 Brookfield?

00:13:33.940 The king.

00:13:34.820 Oh, the king.

00:13:36.240 I just think it's always Brookfield.

00:13:39.940 Oh, I'm sure they're into it very deeply.

00:13:42.340 But I think with entropy, in fact, out of Calgary.

00:13:45.880 But the king has this thing called terra carta.

00:13:50.460 So to my mind, it's no surprise that he's coming to give the speech from the throne.

00:13:56.060 Because they're all in it together.

00:13:59.200 Oh, my goodness.

00:14:00.140 I just hope he doesn't destroy the monarchy before Princess Catherine's lovely family can take over.

00:14:08.600 It's, yeah.

00:14:12.000 I wanted to quickly touch on something.

00:14:15.080 Because I saw a video that you did on it.

00:14:17.640 And I thought it broke it down beautifully.

00:14:19.260 The Liberals replaced the National Energy Board with their Canada Energy Regulator.

00:14:28.100 And that's, I think, really when things started to go bad.

00:14:32.500 And one of their criticisms was, well, the National Energy Review Board approves everything.

00:14:37.020 And how can that possibly be good?

00:14:38.660 But there's a reason they approved everything.

00:14:40.600 And that's because everybody knew the rules.

00:14:43.280 So they could make the proposal, which conformed to the rules.

00:14:46.820 And the National Energy Regulator changes the rules and changes the playing field as it goes.

00:14:54.520 And so you have these international companies trying to invest billions and billions of dollars into a project.

00:14:59.940 And they don't know what the rules are going in.

00:15:03.940 And the rules going in are going to be totally different coming out the other side.

00:15:08.280 Yeah, that's right.

00:15:09.040 I saw, I was at a presentation once in Calgary.

00:15:12.600 And I don't remember the fellow's name, unfortunately, but he described the National Energy Board, which had been operating for about 60 years.

00:15:20.960 And most people in Canada had never heard of it, really, you know, until eco-justice decided to smear its reputation and destroy it.

00:15:29.520 But, like, the way that this fellow described it, he said, you know, the reason why it's the envy of the world is that he compared it to, like, going to university.

00:15:43.660 If you want to be an engineer and you go to university, the university gives you the parameters you have to meet, how much you have to pay, how many classes you have to take,

00:15:52.860 what grades you have to get, when you have to complete them by, what practicums you have to do, you know, it's very straightforward.

00:16:01.460 And if you meet all of those requirements, then you will probably be granted an engineering degree.

00:16:09.800 And then you'll go on and you'll do your internship with other engineers.

00:16:15.580 And ultimately, you'll become a professional engineer.

00:16:18.920 But, you know, those parameters are very clear.

00:16:21.460 So, if you don't pay, you don't pass.

00:16:25.160 You know, if you don't get the grades, you don't pass.

00:16:28.160 But what the NEB did was it made it very clear what you needed to do.

00:16:32.540 And they also did a thorough socioeconomic assessment as well.

00:16:38.760 So, they did, I actually, Robert Lyman corrected me at one point, and he said they did tell a couple of companies that they didn't pass.

00:16:46.980 But for the most part, they did pass.

00:16:48.900 And so, what the activists wanted to do was to add climate change into that and make that sort of the overriding purpose of the evaluation.

00:16:58.880 And they also turned it into a very subjective kind of process.

00:17:03.000 The NEB was very technical.

00:17:04.420 And in the video that we did called Pipe Dreams, where I'm wearing my Euler shirt on my deck with my Jasper the Bear beer in hand, yeah, it was very technical.

00:17:18.300 And in that video, you can see the boxes.

00:17:20.900 I think they had 33,000 boxes, 30,000 boxes of technical documentation that they had to send to Ottawa for Energy East.

00:17:33.020 So, there's a picture of that ready and shipped, right?

00:17:36.920 So, people don't realize, like, these companies have hundreds of different people, from regulatory experts to engineers, geophysical site analysis, surveyors, landmen.

00:17:54.220 And, you know, they have hundreds of people working to develop just this project, to send it to the NEB.

00:18:00.700 And then, at the NEB, they had hundreds of highly qualified people, like real professional engineers, who would look at the work from the professional engineers and tick all the boxes or say, you know what?

00:18:11.340 We think that should go back to the drawing board.

00:18:14.060 So, it was a very, very expensive and technical process.

00:18:18.440 But, you know, you want these pipelines to operate for 50, 60, 100 years with little to no maintenance.

00:18:25.580 So, you want that level of excellence.

00:18:28.820 And now, this whole process has been degraded thanks to Ecojustice and their campaign, their smear campaign against the National Energy Board.

00:18:37.700 It's been degraded to something where they could do all this very technical work, and then someone would come in and say, I don't like it.

00:18:46.440 I don't think it's in the national interest.

00:18:48.680 Let's not do it.

00:18:49.720 So, you know, who would invest all that time and energy to have that kind of outcome?

00:18:54.580 And the person saying that may not even be any expert at all.

00:19:00.000 Right.

00:19:01.260 Right.

00:19:02.260 Right.

00:19:02.700 I mean, look no further than the gender-based analysis plus that they put into this stuff.

00:19:08.600 What does that have to do with anything that I have to all of a sudden, if I'm trying to build a multi-billion dollar pipeline project, ask the local feminist group how the pipeline makes them feel? 1.00

00:19:20.220 Why?

00:19:20.980 Yeah.

00:19:21.780 Yeah.

00:19:22.260 And not to mention, although, you know, affirmative action is not necessarily a negative thing to help people who do need a bit of a hand up, the practical reality is that engineering is a very difficult field.

00:19:38.320 And white males far outnumber anybody else, not because it's racist, it's just a matter of demographics in North America and a matter of the fact that it's a very complex, challenging field.

00:19:54.780 And it requires people who really love that detail and are willing to spend that time, you know, with their calculators and their models, like running things over and over again to make sure that it works.

00:20:09.800 Because, you know, they have an ethical and legal mandate to protect society.

00:20:16.200 So it's not just like, oh, we do this because we're OCD, you know, we do this because we don't want to have, whether you're like a civil engineer or a building engineer, you know, we don't want to have your building fall down.

00:20:30.860 We don't want to have you fly off the road because the camber isn't right.

00:20:34.520 We don't want you to have your, you know, the pipeline burst because we use the wrong kind of weld.

00:20:41.860 You know, we want everything to work as long as it can, as safely as it can, and be good for society.

00:20:49.400 So, you know, and they're up against the activists who are planning on saving the planet, but have no technical background like that.

00:20:56.820 No.

00:20:57.640 And have no appreciation that they could not be out there with their polyethylene science without big oil.

00:21:05.400 Right.

00:21:05.980 So it's a ludicrous combination, really.

00:21:08.420 Just changing lanes really fast.

00:21:15.060 And I could talk about how terrible Mark Carney will be for the oil and gas sector forever.

00:21:20.380 But I want to focus a little bit on the last portion of the show, on your research into the Kamloops Indian Residential School and the discovery or, frankly, lack of discovery there.

00:21:35.280 You've been following this closely since the very beginning.

00:21:38.720 You've been writing extensively on your sub stack about this.

00:21:41.320 You've been critical of the people who are attempting to rewrite history with such document documentaries.

00:21:49.260 I don't know if I should even call it that.

00:21:50.560 I don't know if I should be able to write history with such document documentaries, but I don't recommend you watch it, but I suppose someone might watch it for themselves.

00:22:01.800 It's on Disney+.

00:22:02.840 But unpack the latest story about a child that disappeared, allegedly, at one of these residential schools, because that has really been one of the criticisms.

00:22:17.880 If someone is missing, if someone was disappeared at a residential school, give us a name.

00:22:23.920 And I guess they tried, but even that doesn't quite work out.

00:22:27.640 Yeah, well, this is an interesting story.

00:22:30.900 There's a woman named Kimberly Murray.

00:22:32.980 Many people might be familiar with her name.

00:22:35.220 She was the special interlocutor on missing children and unmarked graves related to Indian residential schools.

00:22:42.960 So that's her very long title.

00:22:44.840 And she was contracted for about two and a half years.

00:22:47.720 During that time, she put out three reports, each one becoming more and more hysterical.

00:22:53.620 And I've covered most of her reports in either my Substack or my Medium articles.

00:22:59.040 But quite often in her articles or in her reports, she would defeat herself.

00:23:04.740 For instance, she tells the story of Mary Yvonne Ukaliniak, I think her last name is, a little girl from the high Arctic, whose mother was sent to a TB sanatorium in the south.

00:23:21.120 Therefore, there was only the father to care for the kids.

00:23:24.680 And this little girl was sent on to a hostel and subsequently got TB.

00:23:30.680 So she probably originally got it from her mom and then was sent down east as she became progressively more and more ill and needed more and more care and ended up dying in the Cecil Batter's home.

00:23:43.440 I think it is in Montreal.

00:23:44.500 So, you know, people tried to make out that this was a bad and a terrible thing because she never came home.

00:23:52.000 Well, this was back in the 60s, I believe.

00:23:55.060 And, you know, even today, the care for her would not exist there.

00:24:00.480 So the last report of Kimberly Murray's tried to make the case that children were being disappeared as, you know, in places like Argentina and Guatemala, where there were military coups and people literally were disappeared.

00:24:15.980 They were snatched from home in the middle of the night.

00:24:18.700 But in those cases, the families would stand outside consulates with pictures of their family and the name and dates underneath.

00:24:26.240 You know, it was very clear who they were.

00:24:29.160 In this case, there's now this fellow named Percy O'Nabigan, which has been in the press a lot lately, especially on CDC.

00:24:38.260 And they claimed that this child was partially paralyzed and epileptic, that he was taken from his home by force to a residential school and subsequently passed on to various medical institutions in the south of Ontario, far from his home.

00:24:54.680 And that he ended up dying at age 27 near Woodstock.

00:25:00.020 And so the family found him partly through the work of Kimberly Murray and her last report.

00:25:09.660 So he is a case, a seminal case of a child having been disappeared, right, by force.

00:25:16.400 But the thing is that if you look at the death certificates for the family in that area, you find that Percy O'Nabigan died at age three and a half months old.

00:25:28.100 So they've dug up somebody in southern Ontario who is not who they claim to be.

00:25:33.560 And Percy O'Nabigan, since he was only three and a half years old, could not have been at home folding laundry and helping his mom.

00:25:39.760 And apparently there was a twin of Percy named Harold.

00:25:47.080 So there is no trail on Harold.

00:25:49.620 But it is theoretically possible that Harold was the partial paralysis epileptic child.

00:25:56.820 And that it is possible that such a child would end up at an Indian residential school for infirmary care rather than schooling.

00:26:06.600 Because the child would never pass the medical exam because the parents had to apply to have their children enter.

00:26:13.540 They had to provide a medical exam.

00:26:16.280 Both had to be approved in Ottawa before the child would be admitted.

00:26:20.220 However, as Robert Carney writes in his critique of the Royal Commission on Aboriginal People's Report from 1996,

00:26:27.920 in it he says, they should have acknowledged that these residential schools, especially in remote locations,

00:26:35.700 were very much the social services and medical hub of the region.

00:26:39.500 And they would take in disabled, orphaned, ill children, people with developmental handicaps.

00:26:48.920 So it is possible that this Harold may have gone there and he may have been sent on for more care.

00:26:55.500 But in those times, people often, families often turned a difficult family member over to the government as a ward of the state to be cared for.

00:27:06.640 Because we didn't have social services at the community level.

00:27:09.800 That didn't develop until well into the 60s.

00:27:13.080 And, you know, a child like that needed additional care.

00:27:18.220 So they, the family and Kimberly Murray have campaigned on this issue saying that Canada committed a human rights crime

00:27:27.260 because they took this kid away from his family.

00:27:31.120 But obviously he was not taken away.

00:27:33.400 He was allowed to go away by his family, if indeed this is the same person.

00:27:40.380 But they, and the CBC story led to the Ontario government.

00:27:45.840 There was such an outcry.

00:27:46.820 The Ontario government said, okay, even though he was an adult when he died,

00:27:51.240 here's $45,000 so that you can exhume him and take him home and repatriate him.

00:27:56.240 Right?

00:27:56.740 So, you know, this could be a turning point for all of Canada.

00:28:00.740 That all of a sudden, every person who ever had an Indigenous relative at a, at a TB sanatorium 0.99

00:28:09.640 or any other facility, reformatory, a mental hospital, they could all be saying,

00:28:16.680 oh, well, now we want to go and dig up our relative who we haven't thought about in a hundred years

00:28:21.440 and repatriate them home and you have to pay for it.

00:28:25.600 So this is, even though it's a small case, it's a very important turning point.

00:28:29.900 And the thing is, they couldn't have dug up Percy Nabogon.

00:28:34.300 And in fact, the headstone for the fellow in Ontario says, Percy O.

00:28:38.800 No began.

00:28:39.800 So it's not even the same spelling as his name.

00:28:46.160 So it's really, you know, and I have to credit Nina Green for all this detective work.

00:28:52.100 I mean, she just buries herself in the archives and keeps coming up with little fragments of things.

00:28:58.540 And, you know, as you piece them together, you see that the puzzle they're trying to create and show the public doesn't fit at all.

00:29:05.560 So, yeah, your sub stack has all the screenshots.

00:29:09.400 You've got archival records on this topic.

00:29:12.700 And at the end, I'm left horrified that they've body snatched somebody from his rightful grave, it sounds like.

00:29:19.800 I know.

00:29:20.740 And it's so funny because what do we hear about Kamloops?

00:29:23.840 I mean, funny, it's sad, but ironic.

00:29:26.320 What do we hear about Kamloops?

00:29:27.240 Oh, we can't disturb the 215 because they're resting.

00:29:31.400 This is sacred ground.

00:29:32.960 And in our culture, we never disturb anyone.

00:29:36.460 So we can't do any excavations there and check, even though it's pretty clear that the area where the 215 anomalies were found is lying over top of a former set of 2,000 feet of septic trenches.

00:29:52.000 So your little children at school are tying orange ribbons to a fence in remembrance of septic tiles.

00:30:01.160 Yeah.

00:30:01.920 How bad is that?

00:30:03.080 And the other thing that people don't realize, the Kamloops find was the trigger that pushed UNDRIP, the United Nations Declaration of Rights of Indigenous People.

00:30:14.840 It pushed that through Parliament.

00:30:17.200 It had been parked for quite a few months.

00:30:20.920 Six premiers and several First Nations bans wanted some changes.

00:30:25.280 They wanted clarification.

00:30:26.920 You know, what did consent really mean?

00:30:28.640 Was that a veto?

00:30:30.220 Was it retroactive?

00:30:32.400 You know, what exactly were we getting ourselves into?

00:30:35.080 Well, as soon as that Kamloops news hit, boom, it went through Parliament like that.

00:30:42.280 Within less than a month, it passed and received royal assent.

00:30:46.000 And people need to realize that the day after, China accused Canada of genocide at the UN and it cited the Kamloops incident.

00:30:56.400 So, you know, these things are connected.

00:31:01.000 We know there's a lot of interference in Canada from China.

00:31:06.220 Sam Cooper and Jason James on Brave New Normal have been tracking that, doing a great job of exposing all these things that people don't know are happening.

00:31:15.940 But this is a very important issue because, really, Canada is now running on, at best, a lie and, at worst, an exaggeration.

00:31:29.340 So, you know, we have to turn this around.

00:31:34.460 And anyway, I hope people will read my sub-stack and have a look at my mini-documentary, Rebutting Sugarcane.

00:31:41.180 It's called The Bitter Roots of Sugarcane.

00:31:43.560 It's free of charge. It's on my sub-stack.

00:31:47.100 I think it's great, by the way.

00:31:49.120 I think you've done incredible work.

00:31:50.760 And it's simply in the interest of truth.

00:31:53.420 Yes.

00:31:54.360 Because this lie kicked off church burnings, arsons, and vandalisms, hate crimes against Christians all across this country.

00:32:04.140 It maligned the good work, I think, of the Catholic Church.

00:32:07.180 And I say this as a Catholic in these otherwise impoverished regions.

00:32:12.220 Now, that's not to say that it was all good and all benevolent.

00:32:15.940 But it is a nuanced story.

00:32:19.080 And apparently we're not allowed nuance on this, if you ask the people on the other side of the debate.

00:32:25.560 It has made lying really easy.

00:32:28.040 Somebody's body's been snatched at this point.

00:32:31.200 And now the Chinese, who are actually committing a genocide, are accusing Canadians of being genocide heirs, and nobody seems to care. 0.75

00:32:39.580 Yeah.

00:32:40.440 Yeah.

00:32:41.040 No, and I say this as a non-Catholic.

00:32:43.280 It's a blood libel against all Roman Catholics, against all of the good work that the grey nuns and the Oblate Fathers and all the other Christian denominations did in Canada with the native people. 1.00

00:32:56.380 And, you know, most of the children who went to school, their families had already converted to Christianity long before that.

00:33:03.860 So the whole idea that they were being forcibly converted is also wrong.

00:33:09.660 And obviously, many of the children who went to these schools were homesick, were lonely.

00:33:15.480 Some were abused.

00:33:16.960 Many of them were orphans.

00:33:18.440 Many of them came from homes that had domestic violence or that were absolutely destitute.

00:33:24.920 And they were rescued from those homes.

00:33:27.320 So, you know, thousands of Indigenous orphans would not have had a life at all.

00:33:33.720 And if you read the online accounts of the grey nuns coming west, one of the first things they did was to adopt children and give them a place to live.

00:33:44.560 Because subsistence people didn't have room for the developmentally handicapped or the orphans that were an extra mouth to feed when they really, you know, were relying on living off the land. 0.99

00:34:01.020 And these women especially put up with unbelievable hardship that, you know, should be honoured and not disrespected as is done today.

00:34:11.960 But anyway, have a look and see.

00:34:15.460 You know, once you have some historical context, the picture changes quite dramatically and things make a lot more sense.

00:34:22.160 So, yeah, we're all just supposed to forget Father Lacombe, aren't we?

00:34:26.860 They just want to write what he did out of history, that he was instrumental in brokering peace between the Cree and the Blackfoot.

00:34:36.740 He had a real heart for Canada's Indigenous people.

00:34:39.960 And we're just supposed to pretend like that work didn't happen, never existed, isn't an integral part of the settling of this province.

00:34:50.200 But, you know, we have a new pope now, Pope Leo.

00:34:53.960 So perhaps this is the time for reconciliation reset.

00:34:58.380 Yes.

00:34:58.660 Maybe we should make all these things clear to him because I think with Pope Francis, may he rest in peace, I think with him coming from Argentina and a background where there actually was this kind of military coup and a genocide of innocent people, disappeared people.

00:35:20.160 You know, for him, it would be quite possible that it did happen here.

00:35:24.860 I don't think a lot of, and I don't think a lot of modern day bishops actually know anything about Canadian history or the Oblates or the Grey Nuns.

00:35:33.200 I think they're completely oblivious to it.

00:35:35.480 So they also probably go, well, okay, it could happen.

00:35:37.960 You know, and Christians tend to go, I'll just take that slap and turn the other cheek rather than saying, wait a minute. 1.00

00:35:45.940 So there's a very interesting priest named Father Cristino Bouvette, and he's got a very interesting interview online.

00:35:56.960 He's an Indigenous Catholic priest, and his mother went to residential school.

00:36:01.920 So I think people should listen to what he has to say as well.

00:36:06.040 Yes.

00:36:07.720 Saint Pope John Paul II really had a heart for Indigenous people around the world.

00:36:12.340 If you ever need a pick-me-up, Google John Paul II hugging Indigenous. 1.00

00:36:17.620 Just put that into your image search.

00:36:20.680 He would find an Indigenous person in any part of the world and just hug him.

00:36:24.360 He really led on reconciliation, but also on truth.

00:36:33.880 Michelle, tell us how people can support the work that you do to bring light to this issue on Substack and on Medium,

00:36:40.940 and then, separately, the work that you do to bring light to the truth of the climate issue.

00:36:46.600 Well, you can look for Sorry No More, Exposing the Bitter Roots of Sugarcane.

00:36:53.500 That's my Substack.

00:36:55.140 And I'm on Medium under my own name, Michelle Sterling.

00:36:59.460 And then, with regard to Article VI and all the climate issues, you can look at friendsofscience.org.

00:37:06.660 And we're on all social media, pretty much.

00:37:10.560 We have a very lively debate going on all the time on Twitter and Facebook and LinkedIn.

00:37:17.360 So, and YouTube, we've got lots of YouTube.

00:37:20.940 Some of them are very detailed explainers that help people get a grip on what's going on.

00:37:25.760 We've got one about Canada's curious climate connection to the EU, another one on the trade war,

00:37:33.240 and we've got a number of shorter ones as well.

00:37:37.260 So, have a look at our YouTube channel, lots of stuff there.

00:37:41.360 And thank you, Sheila.

00:37:43.000 Yeah, of course.

00:37:43.940 Before I let you go, though, I want to let, I want to give you the opportunity to let people know how they can support the work that you do,

00:37:50.020 because you are up against the well-funded green machine of environmental NGOs.

00:37:56.680 Well, for Friends of Science, you can become a member.

00:37:59.640 It's $40 for one year and $80 for three years.

00:38:03.380 And for that, you will be receiving our newsletters.

00:38:06.600 We have volunteers who are cranking out summaries of world events, either on policy, climate policy,

00:38:13.780 or on new climate science and gray literature papers.

00:38:18.780 So, that gives you some insights.

00:38:21.480 We also do a quarterly newsletter, and we do annual events.

00:38:25.800 As a member, you get a small discount as well.

00:38:28.820 And it would just be very supportive for us to have more people get our material and share it with other people as they see fit.

00:38:37.240 So, we think an informed public makes better decisions.

00:38:41.160 Absolutely.

00:38:42.240 And that's the last thing the other side wants.

00:38:44.760 Michelle, thanks so much for coming on the show.

00:38:47.400 Pleasure.

00:38:47.580 Thanks so much for your commitment to telling the truth.

00:38:50.560 And, of course, go Oilers.

00:38:52.840 Go Oilers.

00:38:54.540 Okay.

00:39:01.740 Well, as always, we turn over the last portion of the show to you, because without you, there is no Rebel News.

00:39:07.540 We will never take a penny from Mark Carney to do the work that we do.

00:39:11.700 So, I want to know what you think about the work that we do.

00:39:16.840 And that's why I give you my email address right now.

00:39:19.180 It's Sheila at RebelNews.com.

00:39:21.100 Put gun show letters in the subject line if you have something to say about what Michelle and I had to say today.

00:39:28.060 I'm sure she enjoys the feedback, too.

00:39:30.300 But don't let that be the only way that you can get in touch with me.

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00:39:50.520 All right.

00:39:51.080 So, sometimes I go looking over there for your comments.

00:39:54.020 But today, this one is from the email inbox.

00:39:56.640 And this one is from Sharon, who writes,

00:40:00.140 Hi, I have heard about the longest ballot coming to the new riding for Pierre Polyev.

00:40:05.560 So, the longest ballot campaign was the one that targeted Carleton.

00:40:10.760 And it was a bunch of election meddling busybodies who used people with names that were above P in the alphabet.

00:40:23.640 So, before P in the alphabet.

00:40:25.480 And they were just also rands, by which I mean people who weren't really candidates, but they were able to get the required number of signatures to get their names on the ballot so that they pushed Pierre Polyev's name down.

00:40:38.620 And it was basically to fatigue the voter and just say, okay, fine, we'll just check here or whatever.

00:40:48.740 Now, I don't know how effective that was because it was those people were also able to find the liberal candidate there.

00:40:55.580 Right.

00:40:55.820 But, they're doing it again.

00:40:59.800 Apparently, they're bringing the same strategy to Battle River Crowfoot, Alberta.

00:41:07.360 Sharon asks, can you talk about this?

00:41:09.180 I have read it has something to do with the first-past-the-post system, but it doesn't make sense to me that they would target Pierre and not the Liberal Party.

00:41:15.840 Also, who calls the by-election that Pierre is thinking of running in?

00:41:19.920 Well, Pierre Polyev is not thinking of running in Battle River Crowfoot.

00:41:23.980 He definitely is.

00:41:25.100 The Conservative MP who should never have to buy a beer for himself anywhere in Alberta for the rest of his life, Damien Kurek, stepped aside before he even qualified for his pension.

00:41:36.720 Think about that for a second.

00:41:39.240 Jagmeet Singh damaged the country for the good of his pension.

00:41:47.660 And Damien Kurek damaged his pension for the good of the country.

00:41:52.700 That's the definition of selfish versus selfless.

00:41:59.320 Now, if they do organize, I mean, it's sleazy.

00:42:06.440 It's taking advantage of our democratic system to try to confuse the voter.

00:42:14.780 But it's going to be nothing but a waste of time in Battle River Crowfoot.

00:42:21.340 That is one of the most conservative voting regions, not just in Canada, in North America, if not the world.

00:42:30.360 Routinely, the Conservatives take that riding with over 80% of the vote.

00:42:36.920 So, I mean, they can try to pull this stuff again, but I don't think it is going to be effective.

00:42:46.460 And, you know, it was sleazy, but I don't think that it really tipped the scale either in Carleton, because they were able to find Bruce Fanjoy's name on the ballot, ensuring that he got more votes than Polyev.

00:43:03.860 Now, F, of course, is ahead of P on the ballot, but still, right?

00:43:10.040 Anyway, I hope that answers your question.

00:43:13.000 There's a reason why they chose Battle River Crowfoot.

00:43:15.740 Damien Kurek, he's going to go back to farming and being a dad, which I think, honestly, and I think you'll agree with me, far more productive careers than being a politician.

00:43:28.480 And I think the conservative movement owes Damien Kurek a real thanks, a real debt of gratitude.

00:43:39.320 All right.

00:43:39.960 Well, everybody, that's the show for today.

00:43:41.360 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:43:43.360 I'll see everybody in the same time, in the same place next week.

00:43:46.220 I've got to get out of here.

00:43:47.900 If you're watching this, this is pre-recorded.

00:43:49.600 But I've got to get to Calgary because we're hosting one of our Done Getting Screwed town halls on separation to learn more about a Done Getting Screwed town hall.

00:44:01.080 Coming to a neighborhood near you, go to donegettingscrewed.com.

00:44:05.680 We've just added Regina.

00:44:06.880 We're looking to add more dates across the prairies.

00:44:09.200 So anyway, it's donegettingscrewed.com.

00:44:11.960 There you'll find some really cool Western separatist style merch that I had my little hands involved in developing.

00:44:20.600 I think that's it.

00:44:23.080 I guess my tagline.

00:44:25.680 Don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:44:41.960 We'll be right back.

Rebel News Podcast - May 15, 2025

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Mark Carney Won’t Build a Pipeline — And Westerners Know It

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