Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Matt Brevner on his Rebel News documentary Kamloops： The Hidden Truth

00:00:00.000 BC based rebel Matt Brevner joins me tonight to discuss his new documentary Kamloops the

00:00:20.760 buried truth plus what is plaguing the housing market in Vancouver I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and

00:00:27.020 you're watching the gun show the alleged discovery of hundreds of at the time we were told potentially

00:00:49.420 murdered children in a mass grave at a residential school in Kamloops British Columbia sparked a summer

00:00:56.440 of rage and religiously motivated attacks against Christians across this country churches were

00:01:04.280 burned and vandalized and hate crimes against Catholics skyrocketed 260 percent in one year

00:01:12.220 our prime minister said he understood why the attacks against Christians in their churches were

00:01:19.260 happening but what was the foundation of that understanding what really happened at Kamloops

00:01:29.140 over a year later we still don't really know and Matt Brevner Andrea Humphrey two of our Vancouver

00:01:37.480 based rebels went on a fact-finding mission and their fact-finding mission turned into a documentary

00:01:44.880 called Kamloops the buried truth you can see it today if you are a paywalled subscriber to rebel news

00:01:51.460 plus and you can get information about the documentary at Kamloops documentary.com so Matt

00:01:59.280 joins me tonight to discuss the making of the documentary but he's also been doing some work

00:02:05.420 in front of the camera and he did a really great video about what Vancouverites

00:02:12.100 would ask the prime minister to do to make life more affordable and then he did some work on Vancouver's

00:02:21.360 downtown east side asking the people there what they felt about the potential for the legalization

00:02:29.960 of possession of hard drugs and it was shocking and sincere and it's the kind of journalism you won't

00:02:38.420 see anywhere else so you know what without further ado I'll just shut up and let's go to Matt

00:02:43.320 so joining me now is my friend and colleague Matt Brevner many of you know him as one of our

00:02:55.500 Vancouver based rebels he's also a musician we'll get into that in a little bit but he's the documentary

00:03:01.340 filmmaker behind Kamloops the buried truth and he is behind the camera but you hear a little bit of him

00:03:07.640 in the documentary too working with our rebel news reporter Drea Humphrey to uncover what happened

00:03:15.420 in Kamloops at the residential school there so many years ago but what's happening there now because

00:03:23.180 we're sort of in the dark with that as well Matt thanks so much for coming on the show tell us a

00:03:30.860 little bit about the documentary what what was your vision for the documentary sure well you know this

00:03:38.000 I've produced other films in the past this was a little bit different because initially it started

00:03:42.520 out as just going up to do a report on the one year anniversary of the original press release

00:03:48.080 announcing the findings of 215 bodies in a mass grave basically a report that created

00:03:55.420 unprecedented self-loathing in most Canadians and it was just extremely inflammatory I don't mean that

00:04:03.540 as a pun you know over 70 churches were vandalized or burned or whatever it was a complete mess so we

00:04:09.120 went up there not really knowing uh what we were going to find um but with just the objective just

00:04:15.360 kind of snoop around and go door knocking because we've basically been trying to get answers out of you

00:04:21.440 know the the RCMP uh the chief band office uh the coroners and no one was really getting back to

00:04:27.840 Drea so we're like okay well maybe we need to do a little bit different we'll go up there for a couple

00:04:31.780 days just make a report you know expecting to be like here's our 20 minute report nothing's changed

00:04:37.260 no one's talking to us we'll come back soon but in reality it turned out to be it was just it was

00:04:44.060 unreal the amount of people that were uh just talking to us freely because I guess they didn't realize

00:04:49.620 that we were press and how candid all the conversations were uh with with the chief um the

00:04:55.260 coroner's office and the RCMP because you know it's uh it's interesting people I don't think

00:05:01.960 this this this documentary experience really opened my eyes and made me realize because sometimes

00:05:06.740 especially when you work in media it's easy to just see things through such a polarized lens

00:05:11.900 but I think most of the people are just cogs in the machine and they don't even really understand

00:05:16.020 um the talking points or the uh like how important it is uh to maintain certain talking points like

00:05:24.340 for example you know we called we would call the museum and I'm speaking to just the random museum

00:05:29.400 receptionist and she is still convinced that there's you know yeah the mass grave where we discovered the

00:05:35.400 215 kids and she still believes that even though her own chief is saying that well actually that's not

00:05:41.480 the case and they're kind of like backpedaling away from it even the RCMP didn't realize that

00:05:46.320 that there had been new information afoot so it's kind of crazy how uh unorganized and just yeah it was

00:05:54.680 it was it was eye-opening for sure yeah one of the things that was really eye-opening for me was that

00:06:01.240 the superheated rhetoric again I regret the um bad pun there I didn't mean it um but this just the

00:06:09.860 how getting the story wrong from the very beginning not pumping the brakes and waiting for other

00:06:15.780 details to come out led to a summer of rage against Christians in this country that saw

00:06:21.480 the hate crimes against Catholics skyrocket by 260 percent um there's really no consequences now for

00:06:31.880 anybody who got it wrong they just get to sort of walk away after Catholics generations later 0.64

00:06:39.720 are being held accountable for something that they had no involvement in but also might not have

00:06:46.100 happened the way it was initially sold to everybody well yeah it's it's interesting because this is also

00:06:52.340 just it's a multi-pronged attack right it's it was just very convenient uh to have this information

00:06:58.320 come out especially during an election year especially in the middle of a pandemic on the piggyback of the

00:07:04.480 george floyd um anti you know I don't want to it sounds maybe like I'm oversimplifying it but the

00:07:09.800 anti-patriarchy and anti-interest institution anti-white anti-christian anti-anglo kind of movement

00:07:17.400 that's underpinning a lot of you know the progressive ideology this was just an alley-oop really for our

00:07:24.020 progressive politicians and there's no accountability to even speak on the facts of the matter it's just like

00:07:30.000 you just let the lie out let it do what it's going to do and then uh you know a quiet a quiet little

00:07:35.780 subtle asterisk in an article maybe a year down the line and it's it's really uh a shame that there's

00:07:41.960 no accountability from institutions top to bottom you know the media the government whatever else um and

00:07:48.440 the damage and you you ask a random person on the street anywhere in Canada they're going to tell you

00:07:52.860 that they think that there's two at least 215 children found in some sort of mass pit in Kamloops which

00:07:59.100 couldn't be further from the truth to be honest and you know it's tough because like I have a lot

00:08:04.840 of indigenous friends I have a lot of indigenous family and even producing this documentary like I

00:08:09.280 have to be careful about what I say around them because whether it's right or it's not right whether

00:08:15.420 the information is correct or it's not correct it's so close to home and it's so hurtful to people

00:08:20.580 especially the contemporary our contemporary indigenous population because whether this information

00:08:25.540 is true or it's not true it just piggybacks on all of these biases all of these uh cultural

00:08:31.100 identities that they've been fed their whole lives that you know white people are out to get them 0.73

00:08:35.000 christians hate them uh you're you're a victim in your own country um you're likely to get murdered 0.94

00:08:40.940 when you walk the street if you're a woman you're likely to go missing some of these things may be 0.69

00:08:45.160 true some of these things aren't true but the point being point being if you're told this your whole

00:08:48.940 life every time you leave the door life's not going to be comfortable for you you know so anyways it

00:08:53.600 even making this film has put me in a very uh precarious situation because you know it's not

00:09:00.220 always uh uh beneficial to be right especially when we're talking about like family dynamics and

00:09:07.660 relationships you're trying to maintain yeah it's been kind of ugly to be honest so well and that's what

00:09:13.920 i i i like about uh a difficult documentary to watch that you made and that is that you approach it with

00:09:22.900 that care um and i don't think it's surprising to anybody if i say that you and drea are both people

00:09:30.980 of color drea has indigenous background um and um so you do look at it through the lens and you do

00:09:39.360 acknowledge that there is generational hurt and there is generational trauma but by perpetuating a lie

00:09:47.760 you're only exploiting that generational hurt and trauma for political reasons and i think that's what

00:09:54.260 so many of our politicians on the left have done

00:09:57.520 yeah i mean that's just like a it's a liberal playbook at this point i mean if you go back and

00:10:05.220 you watch the major uh election debates that took place um before our last election and through the

00:10:12.680 lens of what we know now has happened at kamloops specifically i'm not talking about the rest of the

00:10:17.740 the rest of the country but kamloops specifically which in all honesty is very little and i think

00:10:23.020 it's okay that we admit we know very little because we have to know what we need to bring truth and

00:10:28.160 reconciliation to you can't reconcile something you don't know right so anyways if you watch all of

00:10:33.680 the campaign rhetoric all of the propaganda from that time and you're talking about uh all-time high

00:10:40.400 money printing um we're talking about potential international war conflict we're talking about

00:10:45.940 um inflation at all-time high we're talking about uh the middle of a pandemic the worst pandemic in

00:10:53.380 hundreds of years right that's the that's what we're saying right most of the conversation that

00:10:59.000 dominated our debates were about kamloops and truth and reconciliation which okay i mean it's it's a

00:11:06.780 i understand why that's important but if we're not if we don't know what the facts are it's a bit of a

00:11:11.460 nothing burger and then you watch like o'toole walk into this debate and he's just fumbling because

00:11:16.340 like he's already losing as someone who represents anglo-christian conservatives in canada you're

00:11:21.100 already satan so what are you supposed to do so it's just like i know maybe that's like that's not

00:11:27.280 necessarily a narrative that's in that this documentary but after producing it and looking back on our last

00:11:31.760 few years i'm like oh my goodness like i didn't really even understand the cultural impact like

00:11:35.980 when you're in the middle of it and churches are burning and and you know flags are at half mass

00:11:40.560 and it's just like oh this is weird this is dark you don't really it's hard to see the forest from

00:11:46.080 the trees now looking back at where our country is and what's come from all this it's like that was

00:11:50.900 very that was a very pivotal moment and the rug was pulled out of a lot of people's feet and they

00:11:55.780 didn't even know it yeah and you know just to go along with the rhetoric of the people who initially

00:12:01.800 pushed the whole mass graves business that's a crime like that's a genocidal crime that's the

00:12:07.600 kind of thing that you see in northern iraq done by isis and and when as a country we didn't do any

00:12:18.440 follow-up on that it seems quite odd to me because if you think there are children buried there and

00:12:24.800 that a crime was committed against these children and i think if a crime was committed against these

00:12:29.860 children people should be held accountable there should be charges um but they didn't even excavate

00:12:36.900 and that's the oddest part to me in all of this if you think there are murder victims laying in a

00:12:43.480 grave it behooves us as a society to treat those children like any other canadian child who is buried

00:12:51.140 in a shallow grave in this country find out what happened to them but none of that is happening

00:12:57.500 yeah it's interesting too because you would imagine once a statement is made especially by you

00:13:02.780 know Sarah Sarah Boullier who's the ground printer and radar specialist uh to the world that we found

00:13:08.420 uh what seems to be uh you know grave sites plus a juvenile rib bone well that should essentially pass

00:13:16.380 on the authority in you know in excavating or whatever the case may be beyond just the local

00:13:23.400 municipality police or authority or banned rcmp or whatever it is like this should be a federal

00:13:28.760 issue at this point but you're allowed to sound the alarm without you know uh being thorough and

00:13:34.920 following through and seeing what's actually going on there but something i need to like clarify which

00:13:39.800 is a bias that i held because i saw shortly after that this was originally announced the uh the federal

00:13:45.560 government earmark i believe it was it was either 26 or 28 million dollars um for excavation of the site

00:13:51.560 but also for uh job stimulus mental health all these things and so i'm you know for me i was

00:13:58.280 thinking i was a little bit cynical and i was thinking okay they make this announcement they get

00:14:02.520 20 something million dollars for a community of less than 5 000 people um there's no need to

00:14:09.080 excavate now because if you excavate it's either going to affirm what you believed and it's going to

00:14:14.440 eat up all of that budget or it's going to be proven wrong and then you're kind of stuck with like

00:14:19.640 your tail between your legs and you spent all this money so it's a lose-lose right but then we were

00:14:23.800 talking to uh uh roseanne casimir cookby the chief up there she had said that they actually haven't

00:14:31.000 received a cent so hmm i'm like no kidding that actually like was really surprising to me so the thing

00:14:37.640 is like these people um are just as much i would say victims as as far as as much as any other basic

00:14:46.360 general canadian is with this like you know there may have been like maybe sarah boulier exaggerated

00:14:51.960 what she found a little bit for her so she could pop her chest and and get a little bit of social

00:14:56.360 clout or whatever else and i think that is a bit of the case however you know the i do believe now

00:15:02.440 especially after going out there and talking to the people up there that the average the average

00:15:06.040 member of the can loops uh uh shwetmik band and the people out there they don't know they're just

00:15:12.200 given they have these experts they're told what they're you know what they found and then they

00:15:17.000 reiterate the information but now it's like oh wait it's not maybe like that and then you're tough

00:15:21.480 you're stuck in a really tough position you know like i would imagine her as a chief of you know

00:15:26.440 what is it less than five thousand people now all of a sudden your front front page international news

00:15:30.840 and you have a direct line with the pope it's like whoa that's that's intense it's a big it's like

00:15:36.200 oopsie daisy like what what's happening here and then you realize oh wait maybe you know the the

00:15:41.320 person that we hired to to scan and uh these lots isn't as credible as maybe we had hoped it's like

00:15:48.040 i don't know what do you do with that sort of information right so i'm not saying uh it was

00:15:51.960 all right or handled correctly but i can understand why things have kind of played out the way they

00:15:56.840 have and i i do think that this was a little bit of a pulling the cart before the horse thing

00:16:01.960 and because people were so tense and and pent up and and stuck at home and afraid for their lives

00:16:08.120 because of the pandemic and and people of color were were being told that they were being basically

00:16:13.640 brutalized on the street because of the george floyd killings and all the killing and all that stuff

00:16:18.600 so there's just this pent-up powder cake of energy that was you know underpinned by this anti-christian

00:16:24.920 anti-anglo anti-colonial energy and it just exploded yeah yeah and you are so right to put that in the

00:16:35.480 context that the chief of this band is like the part-time mayor of any small town in any other

00:16:43.800 community in canada and when you have a expert expert coming along and claiming expertise and

00:16:51.560 telling you this thing happened why wouldn't you believe her yeah there's really no point not to

00:16:57.400 believe her and you know it's you don't you can't control that like once that press release is released

00:17:03.080 and especially if you believe it like what do you do with that after the fact right i don't even

00:17:08.280 think because she's we spoke to her and i was like well there's there's a lot of misinformation we're

00:17:12.040 just trying to get the straight you know story and she's like well i've been honest we've said that

00:17:16.360 there's now sites of interest and blah blah blah and i'm like well the people don't know that she's

00:17:20.120 like well there's only so much i can do and i genuinely believe her like i do i think this whole thing

00:17:25.960 is just a big mess but i think well i know for a fact especially living in vancouver that people's

00:17:32.840 general disposition especially on the coastal cities and the media hubs is this progressive

00:17:37.080 ideology that's very anti-christian uh white guilt so this was just great for that this was yeah 0.99

00:17:44.280 uh we knew it we knew we were crappy we knew our country sucks we knew christians are bigoted obviously 0.98

00:17:49.640 you know it's kind of weird and it was it just created this like mob flash but anyways uh there's 0.95

00:17:56.520 a there's a lot of stuff in the in the uh documentary uh that hasn't been heard anywhere else i'm really

00:18:03.080 excited to share it with people um but i do want the viewers and our followers to know that this isn't uh

00:18:09.880 let's bash the kamloops uh band thing it's like it's what do we know which is actually very little

00:18:17.080 and what are the what does that mean now

00:18:19.640 and i think that's that i think that's important that we we view things through that skeptical lens

00:18:24.280 but also not be overly skeptical that it's not sensitive to the actual damage that has been done

00:18:30.440 and you know the act like you know i'm not for any for any uh sense of the word or any stretch of the

00:18:37.800 imagination going to defend residential schools so you know as as some sort of a great idea i look at

00:18:44.680 them as just more terrible oppressive government policy as there's always terrible government

00:18:49.640 oppressive policy and i don't think that i think that maybe says less about the church and it does

00:18:53.800 about the government because they were just a popular institution at the time you know if it was 0.98

00:18:57.880 now it would be just government boarding schools or atheist boarding schools and it would be the same crap 0.95

00:19:02.840 so anyways yeah yeah it is uh it's that age-old adage that uh we should always resist the government 0.97

00:19:13.240 or frankly anybody else telling you what's right for you and your own kids and your own family

00:19:19.000 um now if people want to get tickets to get um information about the showings of the documentary because

00:19:26.600 we are doing in-person showings um ahead of time before we sort of release it to the world uh tell

00:19:32.040 us where we can find that so canyon meadows cinemas in calgary on the 28th of this month uh drea and

00:19:39.240 i will be there and sheila you're going to be there too right you better believe it awesome so yeah it's

00:19:44.600 uh because of the spicy nature of the documentary there isn't a ton of public facing advertisement so

00:19:52.360 unless you're hearing about it on rebel news you probably won't hear about it yet um but yeah

00:19:57.080 if you're in the calgary area on the 28th 7 p.m come down uh you know come ask us questions view it with

00:20:03.400 us we'd love to share it with you guys and uh otherwise uh you can you can watch right now on rebel

00:20:08.520 news plus yep uh at cam loops documentary.com people can get more information about that and by the way

00:20:15.400 if you are indeed perhaps a venue owner manager um maybe you're an independent theater

00:20:22.920 and you think that you would like to bring this movie um because you're not afraid of the

00:20:28.840 cancel culture mob or you believe in free speech um and you think that people can make up their own

00:20:34.760 minds reach out to us reach out to me directly go to sheila at rebel news.com send me an email

00:20:39.640 and i'll make sure that gets passed up the supply chain um because we are actively looking for places

00:20:44.920 where we can show the movie in person um now moving on from that matt you've been doing some

00:20:50.520 great work in front of the camera and i'm really happy to see that we should get you

00:20:54.760 from behind the camera in front of the lens more often um and you were out asking people about what

00:21:02.440 the liberals can do to make your life more affordable and you sort of uh did this as the

00:21:09.480 liberals were meeting at a luxury resort to discuss affordability which is just so perfectly

00:21:15.080 perfectly liberal and i was sort of shocked when you told me off camera where you were asking these

00:21:20.920 questions and the because it was in vancouver and again i'm confirming my own biases about vancouver but

00:21:27.800 i was shocked because very few people were saying i need free stuff from the government which was

00:21:31.880 very refreshing yeah so uh just a little uh backstory the liberals in their cabinet were in vancouver

00:21:39.640 um and when they say vancouver they really mean the lower mainland so you know the surrounding areas

00:21:44.520 uh from september 6th to september 8th on a what's called a retreat to discuss affordability

00:21:50.760 for canadians and um last time justin trudeau was in town although it was uh eventually canceled uh

00:21:57.400 because of protesters it was in surrey which is about 30 uh 20 30 kilometers from vancouver um but it's

00:22:04.040 also very uh heavy uh student population it's one of our biggest urban centers in the lower mainland

00:22:09.880 lots of east indians lots of immigrants um so i decided to go to surrey central which is like our

00:22:15.720 main station uh skytrain station there and there's a simon fraser university campus there and just ask

00:22:21.880 people on the street since i assumed the liberals were going to be meeting in surrey well what's

00:22:25.880 something that you know justin trudeau can do for you to make your life a little bit easier and for

00:22:30.840 the people that didn't say uh or scoff and just laugh and say i wish he would go away which was a lot

00:22:36.120 of people to be honest um the people that did actually uh uh you know talk to us overwhelmingly

00:22:42.840 said we need to do something about our housing and our rent and i mean that's no surprise i mean

00:22:48.040 you know uh one one bedroom apartment in vancouver on average is 2600 and that's not just downtown

00:22:54.920 vancouver that's all the lower mainland like for example now as of yesterday areas in burnaby which is

00:23:01.880 20k out of vancouver are more expensive than downtown vancouver so it's we can't get a break

00:23:07.560 like we had our gas was almost at 240 during the peak um canada or bc is getting its butt like very

00:23:15.320 much whooped because of the inflation and everything else is happening so yeah overwhelmingly people were

00:23:20.360 saying please do something about our rent which which makes sense especially at like a public

00:23:25.640 transportation hub so yeah it was just fascinating to see these young people um who were so in tune

00:23:34.760 with the fact that unless something happens here i'm never going to be able to afford a house now

00:23:41.400 i'll ask you because you're a young person who were at least younger than me who lives in the greater

00:23:46.680 vancouver area which is quickly becoming one of the most expensive places in north america to live if

00:23:51.480 not the most expensive place in north america to live um what's the solution to um housing prices

00:23:59.880 because i'm not one of those people who believes in rent control because once you start putting

00:24:04.280 controls on rent landlords stop being landlords um because why you can't cover your mortgage so what's

00:24:12.600 the solution here is it remove the barriers to new home construction is it maybe we need to pump the

00:24:17.560 brakes on immigration or at least bring those targets down so that there's not a such a supply

00:24:22.200 demand issue what's the what's the solution here in the famous words of stephen harper austerity

00:24:29.480 that's but here's here's the thing that's that's unfortunate the only thing that's going to

00:24:34.760 okay i have to i have to zoom out so i can paint this picture for our viewers which is what i believe is

00:24:39.480 the issue uh canadians have the worst income to debt ratios in all of the g7 which means we spend

00:24:46.840 almost 190 percent of our disposable income from month to month and this has only become worse

00:24:53.160 because of quantitative easing which is the money printing the the increase of the money supply so

00:24:59.240 the problem is canadians have always been bad with their money and this isn't something that started

00:25:04.040 with justin trudeau actually the aggressive quantitative easing did start with stephen harper

00:25:09.000 to avoid the 2008 financial collapse in the states luckily canada just never went through that

00:25:15.000 but here's the problem because canadians are actually really bad with their uh investments

00:25:20.520 and with their savings of their debts a lot of canadians have treated their houses and their

00:25:24.840 mortgages as a retirement vessel and as a uh an investment when in reality housing residential housing

00:25:32.360 should never be an investment it's supposed to be a commodity but some reason in canada we're we're

00:25:37.640 we're raised up and we're grown thinking that for some reason a house is an investment but

00:25:43.400 nowhere else in the world you read any sort of financial guru read any sort of robert kiyosaki

00:25:47.880 he'll tell you like no that's not that's not what it's supposed to be so anyways people have used

00:25:52.600 their their house and the rapid inflation of their house price their house value they bought a house

00:25:57.800 10 years ago for for a quarter million now it's worth 1.5 they've used that money and they pulled out

00:26:02.840 equity from their houses to fund their retirement fund their second house buy a house for their kid

00:26:07.720 buy a car buy a second car go to cabo like do all these things so canadians have just been perpetually

00:26:14.040 pulling from this piggy bank and going into debt so here's the issue now if you have a housing supply

00:26:19.720 because we have record low housing uh supply a shortage all across canada it's like i think it's

00:26:25.560 uh our best market is two months and a healthy housing market should have six months to a year at

00:26:30.760 least of inventory so you you quantify that with the bottleneck at municipal levels for building

00:26:36.680 permits uh supply issues for building houses here's the thing if we can do all these things and build

00:26:42.760 let's say like even like pauliev wants to do let's build a million new houses okay that's good and that

00:26:48.360 that means someone like me will be able to afford a house in a place i live hopefully or at least have

00:26:52.120 affordable rent but the problem is people like my parents would automatically have to see their value the

00:26:58.120 value of their homes drop 30 40 50 percent maybe even for us to even have a chance to get in and

00:27:04.360 at that point because here's another interesting thing canada is the only nation in the g7 that

00:27:09.800 includes residential housing into its gdp projections so go figure when that when the liberals say we've

00:27:16.440 actually had an economic recovery what they're saying is we've actually inflated the value of your home

00:27:21.640 by 30 percent and we're equating that economic growth into our gdp so what happens then if housing prices

00:27:30.120 drop 20 30 40 50 in canada our economy collapses fully crap gone like bad really bad so it's unfortunate

00:27:40.600 because yeah obviously rent should be cheaper but at what expense you know yeah obviously interest rates

00:27:45.720 should be lower but then at what expense you know so we've really got ourselves into a very difficult

00:27:52.200 position that was uh that has been exacerbated by um i believe originally stephen harper's cabinet

00:28:00.520 with the quantity of easing which was supposed to be a temporary a very temporary measure to get us out

00:28:05.320 of the situation much like income tax was supposed to be a temporary situation yeah yeah but they just kept

00:28:11.240 gst and they just but they just kept it and then the liberals just dumped a bunch of gasoline on it

00:28:17.640 and now i don't think that i mean so hopefully there's an economist that can weigh in on this

00:28:22.600 but anybody on youtube that's offering some sort of short-term fix or any politician that's saying

00:28:26.680 they're gonna they're gonna make things more affordable it's like i don't know if it's possible

00:28:31.720 but then again i'm not i'm not a pedigreed economist so i'm hoping someone can can prove me wrong

00:28:37.160 i plan to die here like never moving so it's okay uh it's okay for me but i i really feel for um

00:28:46.680 the the next generation the sort of millennials and zoomers who uh just can't see the canadian dream in 1.00

00:28:55.080 their future it's terrible now um one other thing that you've done some really great work on and again

00:29:00.840 you approach approach it with um a certain humanity that i admire and that was you did a video uh you

00:29:09.480 went to uh one of the least desirable places again in north america the downtown east side and you asked

00:29:16.360 the people there what they thought about the province legalizing the possession of small quantities of

00:29:27.080 hard drugs so why don't you tell us about that because again i was surprised but not really that

00:29:32.920 people who are either in active recovery or active drug use they thought this was a bad idea so i don't

00:29:40.760 know who the the powers that be think they're helping here yeah it's interesting that the duality is

00:29:47.480 literally a line called main street that splits the west and the east side um we went in front of uh

00:29:53.480 union gospel mission which is a christian um well they do rehab they do uh shelter for homeless people

00:30:01.400 and recovery and for uh women and it's a awesome awesome if you guys don't know what union gospel

00:30:07.800 mission they're just they're the best they're just such lovely people but we went there and we

00:30:11.320 interviewed a few people that were hanging out outside uh one of them was an artist named chris blake

00:30:15.400 a young recovering addict and uh they told me i will ask them what they thought about this policy

00:30:20.920 and they said well you know it really makes me feel like uh people don't care about us they don't

00:30:25.960 care if we die or whatever else and um you know they were saying i came from alberta and one of the

00:30:32.600 things that kept me clean is i felt like i had to use uh my drugs in my shed uh because they were

00:30:38.280 ashamed about it but then it's funny if you listen to like mike farnsworth or you listen to like our

00:30:42.840 health minister whatever else they'll say the main reason for this initiative is is to remove the shame

00:30:47.320 and the stigma so then i'm like okay if i could see i could see why this policy on paper could make

00:30:55.960 sense if it was restricted to a zone like three blocks by three blocks specifically in the downtown

00:31:00.520 east side so that you're not getting you're not you know bottlenecking uh the police with petty drug

00:31:06.600 crimes where people get booked and then they're out on the street again and also you can't fully

00:31:10.600 rehabilitate these people because if they have a criminal record or they you know then they can't get a

00:31:15.560 job and then they're just on the government's teat like forever so like i do see the logic there

00:31:20.680 but then when you actually talk to somebody who's going through recovery and you ask them

00:31:25.720 what they've been through and how this could uh adversely or benefit them it basically removes the uh

00:31:33.000 you know the incentive to get clean and to be a normal member an active participating member of

00:31:37.240 society so there needs to be some sort of nuance there but this is the thing that like really blows my

00:31:42.040 mind about all of it we're not just talking about the downtown east side we're talking about british

00:31:45.880 columbia the whole province all the way north and anybody's ever been to british columbia knows

00:31:51.960 we have a drug problem here and not opioids oh yeah but not but not just in the downtown east side

00:31:58.120 we have a terrible recreational drug problem here like i didn't even really like understand it like i

00:32:03.400 i grew up in new westminster british columbia and you know i was always scared to death i never did drugs

00:32:09.240 you know i maybe smoked some weed or whatever else but i never tried anything hard anything that could

00:32:13.400 like wreck my life but most of my friends that i grew up with and i grew up in not in not a bad

00:32:18.120 neighborhood but most of the friends that i grew up with you know were doing like at least half of the

00:32:22.680 people that i would party with on the weekends and these were like the normal kids in school were

00:32:26.520 doing cocaine or ecstasy or or mdma like i didn't realize how bad it was until i went to new york

00:32:32.840 and i was hanging out in like manhattan with socialites and cocaine was like a special thing that was

00:32:37.480 reserved only for the rich kids and care came out very sparingly like if you come to canada

00:32:41.800 especially sorry if you come to british columbia it is shocking like go to a music festival it is

00:32:47.080 absolutely shocking the amount of party drugs and then when you know we have fentanyl coming in through

00:32:51.880 the docks and and party drugs are getting laced and cut well no wonder we're having you know 2300

00:32:57.000 people die in one year from from an opioid epidemic it's not just junkies on the street it's

00:33:01.640 it's kids it's young parents you know it's people that like to party on the weekends that are dying

00:33:06.120 from these drugs so now these these uh recreational drugs cocaine methamphetamine whatever else that's

00:33:14.120 being used in party settings is going to be even more open and even more welcome so i expect personally

00:33:20.760 i expect overdoses to skyrocket because of this policy um and but i would sensibly like to see

00:33:27.640 something that can allow people who want to get sober and rehabilitate and get work to allow them to do

00:33:33.400 that allow them to like you know but it's tricky right it has to be more nuanced than black and

00:33:39.160 white criminal record no criminal record you know like because that's not helping so there there does

00:33:44.760 need to be nuanced but decriminalizing hard drugs i don't think is it because if you know i think about

00:33:49.560 like my 19 year old cousin and as of january she could walk up to a police officer and bang a needle 0.99

00:33:54.680 a heroin in her arm right in front of the cop and the cop can't even take it from her like what where 0.92

00:33:59.240 where like what the hell is happening in this country that you could do something like that you

00:34:03.240 know it's it feels like we've we've given up as a society on these people instead of saying you know

00:34:10.040 what the best way for you to be for you to feel about yourself and for your families by the way who

00:34:15.800 are also victims of uh the drug abuse of the abuser uh the best way for everybody to move forward is if

00:34:24.840 you get clean and become a productive member of society but it feels like we've decided that

00:34:29.240 that's not even an option that these people deserve and i agree with you there has to be a better way

00:34:34.360 um but also to use the criminal justice system to incentivize people to stay clean for example you end

00:34:42.680 up with a criminal charge but maybe after three years or five years you get an automatic pardon for

00:34:51.320 your drug charge if you've stayed out of trouble because i know that for some people the cost of

00:34:56.440 getting a pardon is um prohibitive when you're trying to get back on your feet but maybe it's

00:35:01.640 three years instead of the five or ten or whatever it is now in the i forget what it is to get a part

00:35:07.080 and it's a lot of money by the way um but you know maybe maybe it's just an automatic pardon of those

00:35:14.920 charges if you have a history of keeping the peace and being of good behavior so that there's an

00:35:20.840 incentive for you to keep your life on track and if you do keep your life on track this thing doesn't

00:35:27.480 follow you forever um and punish you forever when you're not that person anymore um but yeah i just

00:35:34.440 you know your video was so great because instead of the fancy people talking about what's best for

00:35:40.200 those people over there you actually went and talked to the people over there whose opinions are

00:35:45.080 so very much disregarded in this whole conversation you know it's funny to to the people that we talked

00:35:51.080 to we talked to a bunch of people actually who were addicts in recovery on the downtown east side

00:35:55.480 two other people we talked to one were was a younger kind of she looked like maybe like a raver 1.00

00:36:00.360 kind of chick on commercial drive commercial drive is for those who haven't been to vancouver is kind

00:36:04.840 of like our uh our granola uh kind of hips not really i wouldn't call it hipster but it's kind of like

00:36:12.200 granola e uh raver culture hippie culture epitome on that strip if you've ever been and uh we talked

00:36:21.160 it to the raver chick and this other guy who was also visiting from australia or i guess he was here

00:36:25.320 on a work permit from australia a young liberal kind of type uh wearing like the dad hat and the ray-bans

00:36:31.800 and like typical kind of you know and they both thought it was an excellent idea you know awesome yeah i

00:36:38.040 don't think people should you know there shouldn't be any any crimes for drugs and blah blah and it's

00:36:42.120 just like they were just the talking points there was no like critical thinking about the ramifications

00:36:48.200 of this policy it's like oh yeah it's great you don't think that the 30 year old heroin addict

00:36:53.000 should be harassed for shooting heroin on maina hastings yeah that's awesome how about the 18 year

00:36:57.160 old college kid with the eight ball of coke and nelson how about him do you think that should be illegal

00:37:01.560 like flies like you know like not not even a thought as to how this could affect our the fabric

00:37:08.760 of our society and they get to go back to their nice middle-class neighborhoods they don't get to

00:37:15.400 see the ugly fallout of long-term drug addiction where there's no point of intervention for police or

00:37:25.640 rehab like sometimes right people end up getting picked up by cops on a drug charge and they get

00:37:31.320 before a judge who says go to rehab we'll stay the charges but if there was never that point of

00:37:37.720 intervention then that person never gets before a judge who says to them there's a better way if you

00:37:43.480 want to stay out of uh jail go to rehab and maybe you know one in three people take that take that way out

00:37:51.880 but that's one in three people that's great um but you know these middle-class kids who think oh

00:37:57.480 recreational drug use is cool they never see the ugly side of the fallout of long-term drug use

00:38:03.960 well the thing is i think a lot of people in bc specifically this may not be true across canada

00:38:12.440 but they they do see the ugly effects because you'll be hard-pressed talk to a random person in

00:38:19.080 vancouver that didn't immigrate here but was born here you'll be hard-pressed to talk to someone who

00:38:23.640 doesn't either know someone who's addicted to drugs or died from drugs like you will be very

00:38:29.080 hard-pressed but the thing is is our culture around drugs it's this very open liberal culture around

00:38:36.120 drugs and around like uh they're they're coupled with either they're coupled with freedom and

00:38:41.400 expression in british columbia freedom and expression and identity which make them so dangerous which is why

00:38:46.760 we can have like the ugly drunken uncle in the attic aka you know hastings and and maine on the

00:38:53.480 downtown east side in front of the some of the most expensive real estate in one of the most expensive

00:38:58.600 real estate markets in the world but then also celebrate you know things like mushrooms and and mdma

00:39:05.560 and all it's there's a there's a cognitive dissonance between what hard drugs actually are and what

00:39:10.760 they're actually doing to people and yeah yeah most people who come here for the first time or visit

00:39:15.880 are absolutely just shocked by it by just how open it is here again you reaffirm my commitment to just

00:39:22.600 stay here and die here i'm just gonna stay here and die here and i'm catholic so shame and stigma we 0.93

00:39:28.280 love that stuff i don't see a problem with it um one last thing before i let you go because i know 0.85

00:39:33.400 we're going long um but that's okay um tell us you know you're a musician juno award nominated musician

00:39:40.680 what are you working on next and where do people find your music cool yeah so i'm working on

00:39:45.720 some new music right now i've been i've been trying to after more of us came out and it did

00:39:50.440 really well and it was a part of this like cultural moment it's uh i've been thinking about

00:39:55.000 what type of music i want to create and put in the world what type of content i want to create

00:39:58.600 and also working uh with drea doing camera with drea has been keeping me really busy so i'm going to

00:40:02.920 take some time over the next month or so to kind of reassess what i want to put out and i'm sitting on

00:40:07.560 a bunch of stuff right now so before the end of the year i'm sure there will be some new stuff and

00:40:12.280 hopefully you'll see it you know on rebel which would be great um but in the meantime you can

00:40:16.920 check me out on spotify at brevner and see some of my uh my music videos and stuff on matt brevner tv

00:40:24.680 on youtube that's great i can't wait to see what you do next and you know at rebel news we're your

00:40:30.440 biggest fans matt thanks so much for coming on the show um it's been too long we'll have you back

00:40:36.680 awesome thanks sheila thanks

00:40:47.720 well friends this brings us to the portion of the show where we invite your viewer feedback you see

00:40:51.880 unlike the mainstream media who um well they just want your money but they actually don't want to

00:40:56.840 hear from you i actually care about what you think about the work that we're doing here at rebel news so

00:41:02.600 i invite you to send me a letter of your feedback send it to sheila at rebel news dot com put in the

00:41:10.040 subject line gun show letter so it's really easy for me to find but also sometimes i go trolling

00:41:15.480 around on rumble for your comments there on our stories so do leave a comment there i just might

00:41:22.440 find it and read it on air now today's gun show letter comes to us from a regular viewer of the show

00:41:28.840 it's bruce atchison believe he lives in radway if i'm remembering correctly radway alberta beautiful

00:41:36.120 downtown radway alberta anyway bruce writes to me on a show that i did a few weeks back with my friend

00:41:42.280 robbie picard from oil sand strong he's firing up a bus and he's driving all the way across the country

00:41:49.400 to bring the message of how great canadian oil and gas is for canadians for the canadian economy

00:41:58.760 for canadian jobs for prosperity but also for peace around the world and he's going to tell

00:42:05.960 the stories of the people along the way and how oil and gas has made a difference in their lives

00:42:12.440 and in their community now bruce writes to me and says hi sheila i loved your interview with robbie

00:42:18.920 picard i wish him well on his cross-country tour yeah i bet that's going to be so much fun i'm sort

00:42:23.400 of kind of jealous that he gets to do that bruce says i sure wish our provincial conservative candidates

00:42:31.240 would call net zero what it is you know that's this idea that every project or anything we do in

00:42:40.920 our lives if it emits carbon emissions carbon emissions have to be absorbed on the other side

00:42:50.200 for example if bill gates flies into a climate change conference on a helicopter private helicopter

00:42:59.480 i should probably just walk everywhere for about a month to offset that um it's absolutely insane and

00:43:06.680 it's impossible but anyway bruce writes any child knows that plants need carbon dioxide yeah it's

00:43:13.160 called photosynthesis and it's not only for heating that propane heaters are used in greenhouses now the

00:43:19.880 lunatics are after nitrogen yes it is true another life-giving gas needed by plants these delusional 1.00

00:43:25.880 fools are like the idiot woodsman who sought off the branch he was sitting on worse yet we citizens 1.00

00:43:31.160 pay the price for their suicidal notions yours in christ bruce um with also he signs off for his cat 1.00

00:43:38.680 but it is true i mean my one of my latest shows with was with michelle sterling from friends of science

00:43:45.400 and you know we were talking about net zero health care and you see these radicals within the health care

00:43:51.800 industry who are saying you know we got to get health care to net zero of all the things that you know you

00:43:58.040 shouldn't focus on carbon emissions on probably health care is one of the things that even if

00:44:03.640 you're an eco radical a member of the green cult that's one of the things that you should say you

00:44:08.360 know what this is probably worth expending those carbon emissions on but there is a movement from

00:44:13.960 within health care to say no we really have to rethink the carbon emissions in the ambulances and

00:44:20.840 at the hospital and what your carbon emissions are in your end of life as in are you worth the

00:44:30.600 electricity to run the ventilator it's really chilling stuff but even at the most base level

00:44:36.840 who do these eco radical doctors think is paying for the health care system it's the economic prosperity

00:44:43.560 generated by oil and gas and so if oil and gas goes away um the health care system which is already

00:44:50.120 very precarious and probably in uh on the precipice of collapse i would say if oil and gas prosperity

00:44:57.640 goes away that's it there kiss your public health care goodbye for what it's worth uh i'm ready for a

00:45:05.160 rejig of the system there a great reset in the health care industry if you will but uh i would hate

00:45:09.800 for it to come all crashing down before we do that but that's what would happen in the health care

00:45:15.480 industry if these eco radical doctors got their way well everybody that's the show for tonight thank

00:45:21.800 you so much for tuning in i'll see everybody back here in the same time in the same place next week

00:45:26.680 and as i tell you every week don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think

Rebel News Podcast - September 15, 2022

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Matt Brevner on his Rebel News documentary Kamloops： The Hidden Truth

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