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00:00:55.780What really happened at the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Azerbaijan that just wrapped?
00:01:11.220Then, what is the real story behind the acclaimed documentary about Indian residential schools, Sugar Land?
00:01:20.080My guest today has the answers for both.
00:01:22.260I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.
00:01:25.780The most recent United Nations Climate Change Conference just wrapped in Azerbaijan.
00:01:46.920And wouldn't you know it, same result as always, the developed world, us, we have to send all of our money to the under and undeveloped world.
00:01:57.700And wouldn't you know it, the world's second largest economy, China, gets counted as part of the undeveloped world.
00:02:05.480And they get a free license to create about one coal-fired electricity generating plant every single week while you are punished with onerous taxes and an early coal phase-out here in Canada.
00:02:24.000So, our guest today is going to help us cut through the mainstream media polishing of the extreme wealth transfer that continues to be foisted upon the Western world by the United Nations under the guise of combating the deadly climate change.
00:02:46.240But my guest tonight is also an independent historical researcher, and she has a brand new mini documentary debunking the lies of a very acclaimed documentary called Sugarcane.
00:03:02.480Sugarcane is about an alleged crime which happened at an Indian residential school near Williams Lake.
00:03:14.560Now, she got her hands on what really happened.
00:03:20.360And while Sugarcane is considered part of the true crime genre, my friend Michelle Sterling, who is also the communications director at Friends of Science, makes the case for why Sugarcane should be in the fiction section.
00:03:44.560So, joining me now is good friend of Rebel News, Michelle Sterling, the communications director at Friends of Science.
00:03:53.280And I thought I'd have Michelle on the show, as I do really every year at this time of year, to discuss what did or didn't happen at the United Nations annual climate change conference.
00:04:03.080It's called COP, for those in the know, but I mean, it is really just the annual soiree for the world's environmentalist and green elites this year in a very nice place.
00:04:47.280One thing that came out of the Conference of the Parties is that there was an acknowledgement of costed needs.
00:04:54.640And so, they want trillions of dollars to give to the Global South, as it's called, because the whole premise of the climate movement is that it's the industrialized nations, the Global North, that has caused the climate crisis, the alleged climate crisis.
00:05:12.040And therefore, we must pay, pay, pay, pay to the Global South.
00:05:16.760And so, they wanted $1.3 trillion by 2030, which would be money from your pocket, may I note.
00:05:27.280But actually, they decided that they could come up with maybe $300 billion U.S. by 2035.
00:05:35.040Now, you have to remember, there's been a Green Climate Fund for the past many years of supposedly $100 billion a year to do exactly the same thing to pay off the Global South.
00:05:48.680So, coming up with $300 billion was like a huge insult to the activists from the Global South and all of the ENGOs as well.
00:05:58.680So, they also want to encourage developing countries like China to cough up, and China's like, uh-uh, under the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, we are still a developing nation, we're never going to pay.
00:06:20.440They finally finalized a method of international carbon markets facilitating country-to-country trading and to make a carbon crediting mechanism fully operational, including how registries will work.
00:06:39.060So, this was actually the golden apple, if you like, of the COP conference, because this is what all the big ENGOs and the big green philanthropies like Bloomberg and Climate Works and the European Climate Foundation, this is what they've been working for for decades.
00:06:58.840And you can go back and read Matthew Nisbet's peer-reviewed paper from, I think it's around 2018, called Strategic Philanthropy in the Post-Cap-and-Trade Era, because they had imagined that this kind of two cap-and-trade systems in the world, one based in Europe, one in North America, would have been set up and running by, you know, under the Obama administration, and it didn't happen.
00:07:24.620So, that was a real heartbreaker for them then.
00:07:30.400Therefore, it is time for me to make the statement that I love to make about carbon markets, and this is from Harper's Magazine.
00:07:38.040It was written by Mark Shapiro in 2010, and that was the moment that I stopped believing in climate change as a catastrophe.
00:07:46.680Carbon markets entail the lack of delivery of an invisible substance to no one.
00:07:53.540And that was 14 years ago, and here we are.
00:07:56.960Yeah, and that's what they agreed to do at the COP event.
00:08:03.420You know, and in the middle of this, you mentioned some of the big foundations.
00:08:09.440I think Canadians are familiar with Tides, who had to rebrand and to make way because Canadians figured out a little bit too much about what they were up to with regard to our politics and our policies around oil and gas in this country.
00:08:22.280I think people are familiar with the Rockefeller Foundation and their Tar Sands campaign.
00:08:27.220But there's another one in the mix of this, the Trottier Family Foundation.
00:08:34.540They're heavily involved in the United Nations Climate Change Conference, and they do influence Canadian politics.
00:08:41.740Well, at COP28, they came up with a ball cap that had capped emissions on it.
00:08:48.760So at COP28, the Trottier Family Foundation was handing out all these caps.
00:08:54.060And at COP28, that's when, from out of the blue, Stephen Gilbeau announced that they would be imposing a cap on emissions in Alberta.
00:09:02.780And so I have come up with a theme of cap delusions because the Trottier Family Foundation, in its own statements on a website called Philanthropy for Change,
00:09:17.060they claim that they've been funding most of the ENGOs in Canada.
00:10:04.720Anyway, and they also came up with this pathways, what is it, paving the way for an equitable future.
00:10:11.980This was just before COP29, this past one.
00:10:16.240And COP actually means conference of the parties, parties that are signatory to the original United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change.
00:10:25.460So anyway, Caroline Bouillette was running around critiquing Premier Smith and wearing her little emissions cap.
00:10:32.460So I came up with the cap delusions, because this paper by her organization is full of delusions.
00:10:39.440Like they just want to give away all of your money to various climate causes.
00:10:43.520And they have absolutely no idea of the consequences, the implications for ordinary people.
00:12:04.560Like, I think people really need to understand.
00:12:07.320These people have charitable status in this country, which means they have preferential treatment within the tax system.
00:12:16.180But they do absolutely nothing charitable.
00:12:18.420They do not help their fellow man whatsoever.
00:12:21.200In fact, they impose harm on their fellow man through their crazy policies.
00:12:24.760And, you know, to hear this young girl complaining that Daniel Smith has a $7 million campaign to get around the lies about the emissions cap, she's got plenty of money.
00:12:41.380And second, Daniel Smith, the Alberta government, as much as I dislike government spending in all of its forms, she has a responsibility to steward the resource that all Albertans own and then maximize the value of that resource.
00:12:58.460We need to think of her as an executrix of an estate.
00:13:01.600It's her job to make sure the estate is worth as much as possible.
00:13:05.240And if she has to spend $7 million to fight a damaging production cap, is what it really is, then, okay, fine, that's government spending I'm in favor of.
00:13:16.300Yeah, and, you know, you saw in the, we did a little video about the whole cap delusions.
00:13:22.360You saw in the Calgary Herald, there was an article by two members of the Canadian Association of Physicians for the Environment, Dr. Vipon's organization.
00:13:30.540And they were also saying, you know, $7 million could pay for nurses and doctors and healthcare, why is she wasting this money?
00:13:38.800Well, you know, $7 million is nothing compared to $20 billion, which, you know, I believe would be annual revenue.
00:13:46.600So losing that would be damaging to every aspect of society, and especially modern medicine, because modern medicine is very expensive, and many of the revenues from oil and gas support modern medicine.
00:14:02.860And furthermore, all of the PPEs and protective devices, the visors, the one-use gowning, all these materials used in medicine, in modern medicine, are made from oil and gas and coal products.
00:14:22.240It's ludicrous that these doctors are against fossil fuels when they can't do modern medicine without them.
00:14:31.240Yeah, they're against fossil fuels until they have to fly to a climate change conference in a very nice place, Dr. Joe Vipon.
00:14:51.580Oh, these people with their kids as human shields.
00:14:53.680Now, I wanted to give you the second half of the show to talk about something that is completely unrelated to your work with Friends of Science, but it is, I think it's a personal passion for you because you're somebody who believes deeply in the truth.
00:15:11.440I think that's why you, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's why not only you do your work with Friends of Science, but you are also working on, in your own personal capacity, exposing the lies around residential schools and mass graves which happen at them in Canada.
00:15:32.500So why don't you tell us a little bit about that?
00:15:36.520Yeah, I produced a mini documentary that rebuts the claims in a National Geographic documentary called Sugarcane.
00:15:44.700And Sugarcane will be showing on National Geographic on December 9th, and then it starts streaming on Disney Plus and Hulu just in time for Christmas to denigrate and blood libel, especially the Roman Catholic Church, but all Christians and all Canadians and Canadian history.
00:16:02.120So what's happened is two young filmmakers have made a documentary that takes two true stories and conflates them and turns it into one big lie.
00:16:13.520And so my mini doc deconstructs these lies.
00:16:16.400And basically the theme of Sugarcane is that priests impregnated Indigenous students at St. Joseph's Indian Residential School near the Sugarcane Reserve near Williams Lake in British Columbia.
00:16:32.840And then they incinerated the unwanted newborn babies in the garbage burner at the school.
00:16:40.280And so there is a true story that a baby was found in the incinerator there, but it was reported in the Williams Lake Tribune in 1959.
00:16:53.500And an unwed mother had given birth at the school, but she had been driving home from Williams Lake to Canham Lake, where she lived.
00:17:01.200And that's about an hour and a half drive.
00:17:03.280So I suspect she went into labor along the way and just pulled in there.
00:17:06.880She had taken a practical nursing course and knew how to deliver a baby and apparently thought the baby was stillborn.
00:17:15.160So she put the baby in the incinerator and apparently fled.
00:17:20.920Now, you know, anyone who's given birth can understand that a person would be likely in shock.
00:17:26.920She might have been impaired in some other way, but we don't know because they never actually interview her.
00:17:31.280So the story centers around the father of one of the young filmmakers.
00:17:36.240The father's name is Ed Archie Noise Cat.
00:17:38.580And he is, in fact, the baby who was found by the dairyman in the garbage burner.
00:18:07.180And I understand from people in the know that even though this happened, this was not a matter of rape.
00:18:14.500It was consensual and that they stayed in touch for the rest of their lives.
00:18:20.900There wasn't like this angst, if you like.
00:18:27.020So, you know, they conflate these two stories.
00:18:30.100And if you read the film critics' reviews, and I guess that's what really got me going because I started reading these film critic reviews.
00:18:36.200They definitely get the impression that priests systematically raped students, burned unwanted babies in the incinerator.
00:18:45.640There was infanticide going on and on and on and on like this.
00:18:49.080It's like, so these film critics are creating a meta-narrative worldwide about Canada and Indian residential schools that is completely untrue.
00:18:58.980But it's going to be very hard to counter it because, you know, this has been published in the New York Times, the Globe and Mail, the Irish Times, the Guardian, LA Times.
00:19:13.000In fact, ironically, the film Sugarcane just won the Best True Crime Documentary Award by Critics' Choice and Best Political Documentary, even though it's not true.
00:19:29.680And the real crime is the blood libel against Roman Catholics and Canadian history.
00:19:34.600You know, it leaves me speechless because the ease with which they paint the hole with the crimes of the few makes me very angry.
00:19:51.960It's just plain old, good old-fashioned bigotry, I think, anti-Christian bigotry.
00:19:57.480And nobody is denying that bad things happened at residential schools.
00:20:03.060But it also fosters the skepticism about residential schools, the denialism the other side wants to make illegal, when they just make up things like this.
00:20:15.040It makes people almost skeptical, sometimes to a fault, because, well, you can't believe anything coming out of these people's mouths.
00:20:24.400And just the lies breathed into the ether by these people and then repeated.
00:20:33.060Just completely by the mainstream media.
00:21:03.820And I think that the Canadian public really has to wake up and realize that this is not an issue confined only to the Indigenous community.
00:21:12.520Because people don't remember, but the day after the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People was passed, which was June 21st, 2021, and that was less than a month after the claim that the Kamloops ban made of finding 215 unmarked graves, human remains, mass graves in their orchard.
00:21:35.080So one month after that, less than one month, UNDRIP was passed, even though it had been contended by six premiers and several First Nations bans.
00:21:47.100They did not want it to pass as written.
00:21:49.720But of course, the atrocity propaganda pushed it right through.
00:21:52.800But the day after it passed, China accused Canada of genocide on the world stage at the UN.
00:22:00.300Now, Kimberly Murray is the special interlocutor on missing children and unmarked graves related to Indian residential schools.
00:22:10.620She has just issued a more than 1,000-page report, which is her final report.
00:22:17.000And in it, she now claims that Canada is guilty of an ongoing genocide, that we're guilty of human rights crimes, that we made enforced disappearances of children.
00:22:30.120You know, this is like in parallel to what happened in Argentina, where political activists actually were disappeared by their government.
00:22:38.060You know, people would show up in the middle of the night, sweep somebody away, then you'd never see them again.
00:22:43.680That's what enforced disappearance is all about.
00:22:46.180But, you know, in those cases, you had the mothers of those children standing in the government with a picture of their child and their date and name, you know, their occupation, last seen and such.
00:22:59.040Like, we have no list of missing children in this country.
00:23:02.940There's no list of names, no list of missing persons reports that were filed and unresolved.
00:23:10.360And so she has filed this with the International Criminal Court of Justice and a few other international bodies like that.
00:23:18.320So I think that she's just handed a geopolitical advantage to China.
00:23:22.760And with all of the talk about foreign interference in Canada and the inquiry that's going on, you have to really ask yourself what's going on here.
00:23:32.020And I think you have to ask yourself, if Bill C413 goes through, the residential school denialism bill that Leah Gazan and Kimberly Murray are promoting,
00:23:45.780if that goes through, no one like myself would be able to try and defend and vindicate Canada if China charged us with genocide on the world stage.
00:23:56.440And you might say, oh, well, that's just silly.
00:23:59.000But remember, the once unipolar world where the U.S. was solely kind of the policeman of the world, the king of the world, if you like, that has dramatically changed.
00:24:12.840And now the BRICS nations are exerting their strength.
00:24:17.720And if Canada is accused of this or convicted of it at the world court, then, you know, we could be embargoed like South Africa was, for instance, under apartheid.
00:24:30.560There could be other kinds of reparations demanded internally.
00:24:34.760There could be civil violence related to it.
00:24:37.800And as we see what's going on in the streets right now, that's not an impossibility at all.
00:24:46.600And, you know, things like sugarcane will obviously be used as proof that there was systemic infanticide and disappearing of children in Canada.
00:25:03.160I like lemon poppy seed cake, by the way.
00:25:06.160We'll start a prison band, you and me.
00:25:09.260I like the gall of the Chinese to even talk like this.
00:25:15.380But at the same time, when we have our prime minister saying that we're guilty of genocide, why wouldn't the Chinese think it?
00:25:21.480I mean, the Chinese are, as we speak, stripping Uyghur children of their Muslim names.
00:25:28.920They are re-educating them, making sure that they don't ever speak any version of Arabic, taking away their Qurans, real re-education and slave labor, actual genocide, sterilization of Uyghur women.
00:25:47.680But now, thanks to Justin Trudeau and the crazy NDP and the media misinformation around this, of course, they've got, to use Rachel Notley's language, social license to call us genociders.
00:26:06.820And it is, in some ways, also related to the climate issue, because, of course, part of the whole thing that happened at COP is because of the carbon trading thing.
00:26:15.760One angle is that Canada will be a large park where anyone in the world can buy and sell nature-based climate solution carbon credits here.
00:26:27.080And, of course, First Nations will be employed as land guardians and water keepers and fire guardians.
00:26:34.100And, you know, it won't actually advance the careers of any of these young people, but they'll get paid for sort of sitting around watching the river.
00:26:42.480You know, it's, and it actually, as someone mentioned to me the other day, it's the elites of the Indigenous community who will be skimming off this money.
00:26:53.060It's the elites of the legal community who will be cashing in on these claims of genocide and ongoing reparations.
00:27:02.640Because that's the upshot of Kimberly Murray's report, everyone, even though we've already paid billions of dollars in reparations.
00:27:11.060We're on the hook for $76 billion in various land claims and class action suits.
00:27:19.260Kimberly Murray says that we now also owe reparations for the phantom genocide.
00:27:25.560So it's going to be a pretty big tab and it's going to be hard to fight, especially because mainstream media has fully bought into the narrative.
00:27:33.960Michelle, how do people find your work about residential schools?
00:27:39.820Actually, before we get there, I just want people to know that you have some, I would call it expertise in documenting Canadian history and speaking on Canadian history.
00:27:53.300You're not just some lady from the Internet.
00:27:55.860This has been, I think, a lifelong interest for you.
00:27:58.360So just why don't you put that into context about how you are able to do this work?
00:28:04.540Well, years ago, I did a series of documentaries with CFCN Calgary, CTV Calgary.
00:28:12.200And Dr. Hugh Dempsey was my research supervisor at the time, Potena, flying chief.
00:28:18.000He was the curator of the Glenville Museum, and he was married to Pauline Gladstone, and she was the daughter of the first Indigenous senator of Canada, Senator James Gladstone.
00:28:32.940And Dr. Dempsey documented all kinds of material from sort of firsthand sources related to Treaty 7.
00:28:41.440And so during that time period, I interviewed hundreds of people all over Alberta, mostly southern Alberta.
00:28:49.340But I interviewed people like Grant McEwen, who was born in 1902.
00:28:54.140So, and it's been a lifelong interest for me.
00:28:58.920And, you know, I just can't stand watching Canada being destroyed by the settler historians who have no historical context whatsoever, in my opinion.
00:29:10.220They always forget to mention that while we were trading peacefully with Indigenous people in Canada, in the States, they were conducting Indian wars from 1644 to 1924.
00:29:25.300Yeah, a lot of Indigenous people in southern Manitoba were actually Americans, American who fled to Canada.
00:29:35.200Oh, yes, there's a whole flock of people who came over the border after, well, after a massacre in the U.S. that was perpetrated with provocation by various Dakota people against the white people of that region.
00:29:53.040And also, after Custer's last stand, the victorious Indigenous band under Sitting Bull came over the border for safety and we protected them.
00:30:05.200So, and actually, Leah Gazan is descended from one of those people, so she's the last person who should be complaining about Canadian history because her family benefited from the Northwest Mounted Police, one of whom is actually her forefather, if you go back in history.
00:30:29.820And he supported her family in the past so that they didn't starve.
00:30:37.040And her, I think it's her great-grandfather went to Indian residential school, even though he actually wasn't authorized to because he wasn't a status Indian.
00:30:47.960He helped build the local Catholic church.
00:30:50.240He was an incredibly good writer, and his works have been published all over the world because he was writing about those early times and the cowboy and Indian stories of the day.
00:31:00.720So, you know, it's weird that she's turning on her own history.
00:31:10.440You can find an article by Nina Green on my sub-stack about that, and it's quite an incredible read.
00:31:19.560Now, I'm glad you mentioned your sub-stack on this topic.
00:31:22.780How do people see your documentary and also see your sub-stack, which is just brimming with information that you won't see in the mainstream media?
00:31:31.380Well, my sub-stack is under my name, Michelle Sterling, S-T-I-R-L-I-N-G.
00:31:38.620You can also see my work on Medium, again, under Michelle Sterling.
00:31:44.380You can find The Bitter Roots of Sugarcane, which is the name of the mini-doc I did.
00:32:00.160You know, Sean Carlton, who's an academic at the University of Manitoba, says people like me are cashing in on residential school denialism.
00:32:14.620Whereas the money is flowing completely in the other direction, every time you make an allegation of a mass grave, the government says, here's your bag of money.
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