Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Michelle Stirling on Big Tech's climate 'misinformation' warnings

00:00:00.000 Big tech is censoring climate skeptics and Justin Trudeau is censoring your plastic straws.

00:00:05.960 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:08.600 The Gunn Show.

00:00:38.600 I mean people who don't think that your SUV will result in the end of all humanity.

00:00:45.760 These are people who think that maybe humans contribute to climate change, but also it might have a lot to do with that big burning ball of gas in the sky we call the sun.

00:00:56.300 Anyway, YouTube and Facebook are accusing these organizations of spreading misinformation, but it's not just organizations, it's content creators of all sorts.

00:01:06.520 But I think as they say, the phone call is coming from inside the house.

00:01:11.740 Friends of Science, as you know, is an organization comprised of actual scientists, analysts, and professional engineers.

00:01:18.840 They've been subject to the special tagging of their videos and their posts, warning potential viewers and readers that Friends of Science may be guilty of the crime of getting the science wrong.

00:01:30.580 The tags direct viewers to United Nations links about the political aspect of climate change, and they also push people towards studies showing an increase in recent local temperature data.

00:01:45.600 However, the pros at Friends of Science, known for digging into data and actually reading the data, well, they dug into it and they saw that the data that big tech oligarchs have been using to fact check skeptics, well, they discovered it was either wrong or specifically labeled not for use in the defense of climate science.

00:02:07.840 Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science joins me tonight to discuss the organization's 20-year-long fight for open civil discussion and the climate misinformation currently being spread by Silicon Valley.

00:02:20.420 Plus, we're going to touch on Justin Trudeau's latest attack on clean, sterile, single-use plastics.

00:02:28.640 So joining me now from her climate cabin in the woods is my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science.

00:02:41.280 Now, Michelle, I wanted to have you on the show really quick because it's in the news right now.

00:02:47.060 Justin Trudeau is banning beautiful single-use plastics, and single-use plastics helped us get through the pandemic.

00:02:53.180 But now, you know, we have to destroy that industry in the name of virtue signaling.

00:02:58.460 You had a very interesting take on it.

00:03:00.860 I see this as an attack on oil and gas.

00:03:02.920 It's just a proxy war on oil and gas.

00:03:04.800 But you dug a little bit deeper, and you see this as a demarketing strategy, which seems to be the strategy of the left with everything.

00:03:14.080 Yes.

00:03:15.080 Thanks for having me on the show.

00:03:16.520 And I'm not a plastics expert.

00:03:18.420 I refer people to the video that we have with Dr. Patrick Moore on our YouTube page.

00:03:25.880 But regarding what's happening, if you start looking at climate change and at all these regulations and all these new things,

00:03:34.380 like whether it be EVs or whether it be plastics that can be decomposed and things like that,

00:03:42.060 if you see it from a marketing perspective, that there's somebody out there with an idea that's not selling.

00:03:49.440 So what do they do?

00:03:50.200 They demarket the useful product that is already selling. 0.97

00:03:54.520 They make it disgusting or useless or going to kill your grandma, as you just mentioned.

00:04:02.620 And then they say, and here's the solution.

00:04:05.280 So if you see climate change and all of these product interventions and government legislation as a marketing intervention,

00:04:13.660 then things start to make more sense.

00:04:16.220 And I think it would be interesting if people were making complaints to the Competition Bureau and following the money trail.

00:04:22.680 Who is invested in these new products?

00:04:25.600 Who's behind it?

00:04:26.400 Because we have an item on our website by Albrecht Glatzel about the war on meat called To Eat Meat or Not to Eat Meat.

00:04:35.980 That's the planetary question.

00:04:37.840 And he followed the money on things and found that the World Wild Fund and Greenpeace are often in this certification business.

00:04:47.380 And if you look behind the scenes, there's also a commercial element for them.

00:04:53.320 Oh, that is very interesting.

00:04:55.060 But, you know, it changes the way you even think about the carbon tax.

00:04:59.200 You know, it's just a demarketing strategy to get people away from cars that work and put them into cars that don't for half the year.

00:05:08.180 You get people out of electricity that works and have them use electricity that doesn't because the product is flawed.

00:05:16.740 So you have to demarket the other thing.

00:05:19.020 That's right.

00:05:19.620 And also, when you look in the background, like, for instance, with Nature Conservancy, I think they're called Nature United now.

00:05:25.920 They joined forces with someone.

00:05:27.740 Anyway, they have this thing called the Dark Woods Project in B.C.

00:05:31.260 It's an old growth forest that they've been protecting for some time.

00:05:34.680 But now they're selling carbon credits on it.

00:05:36.820 And Shell Oil is buying carbon credits there to make themselves look virtuous.

00:05:41.900 But if you look at the CRA records, this organization, Nature Conservancy, got $52 million or more in revenues from the governments of Canada.

00:05:54.960 So I suspect that they're buying carbon credits from these guys on this old growth forest that was already protected.

00:06:02.080 There was no additionality.

00:06:03.680 Not to mention that old growth forests do not absorb carbon dioxide.

00:06:08.220 They absorb carbon dioxide when they're young forests.

00:06:11.080 When they're about 20 years old, they're really growing.

00:06:15.100 So it's all a big scam and it's all a big demarketing ploy.

00:06:19.540 And lots of people are making money off you for no reason whatsoever.

00:06:23.240 In fact, I like to tell people, you know, that it's the lack.

00:06:29.280 Carbon markets are the lack of delivery of an invisible substance to no one.

00:06:35.640 And here, I'll sell you some carbon dioxide.

00:06:40.120 You want to buy it?

00:06:41.200 Because here it is.

00:06:42.600 It's here for you.

00:06:43.840 I'm selling it.

00:06:45.100 You know, you have a couple of really great videos where you actually discuss just that. 0.98

00:06:49.700 This sort of public hysteria for this thing that once you look back in retrospect, you're like, that was the stupidest thing we've ever done.

00:07:00.560 And it's called, you know, in the past, the hysteria was tulipomania. 0.64

00:07:05.980 Maybe you can explain that a little bit.

00:07:07.300 Yes, well, in Holland, in the 1600s, tulips began to be imported from Turkey and people lived a very simple life at that time.

00:07:17.160 You know, you might have a chair in the house.

00:07:20.400 That would be good if you had a chair.

00:07:22.700 So, these tulips were almost magical.

00:07:26.360 They were so beautiful.

00:07:27.700 And they found that people wanted to buy these beautiful tulips and make a garden.

00:07:32.440 Of course, we do that today.

00:07:33.820 We know how much pleasure that brings.

00:07:36.020 But they started trading in the offsets of the tulip bulb.

00:07:40.740 So, they were betting money on bulbs that actually had not yet been propagated by the end of this scam.

00:07:48.660 So, the tulip bulb had not even been planted.

00:07:52.280 It had not created any new offsets.

00:07:55.300 And people were buying and selling this for the price of a ship, the price of a house.

00:08:00.020 And, of course, at some point, it all fell down.

00:08:02.780 And I think in the end, the outraged Dutch citizens did in their prime minister and ate him.

00:08:10.280 So, it was pretty brutal at the end.

00:08:13.500 I'm pretty sure that's connected to tulipomania.

00:08:16.080 It's a very well-known thing in investment circles.

00:08:20.840 And there's many other instances.

00:08:22.660 The dot-com bubble, also in history.

00:08:25.000 The Mississippi scheme, the, what is it called?

00:08:30.160 The South Sea bubble.

00:08:32.320 These investment schemes have bankrupted countries.

00:08:37.100 And so, you know where we're heading with carbon trading.

00:08:42.820 That's where we're heading for the world.

00:08:45.020 It's bankrupting countries in the world.

00:08:47.240 And certainly citizens.

00:08:49.060 I have no plans to eat Justin Trudeau.

00:08:51.540 I just want to put that on the record.

00:08:53.160 But I wanted to talk to you about some of the things you are doing at Friends of Science

00:09:02.120 to punch back against social media.

00:09:05.320 So, I guess we'll start with YouTube.

00:09:07.220 YouTube slaps a warning label on all of your content underneath it and advises people to go

00:09:13.840 visit the UN because they seem to be the authorities on this issue.

00:09:17.740 So, you fact-checked YouTube.

00:09:21.180 Tell us about that.

00:09:22.660 Well, you know, when you go to the UN page, first of all, UN is not a scientific body.

00:09:29.000 And everything on the page is in very simplistic terms and wrong.

00:09:34.640 So, you know, we just walked through them all and found that everything that they said was wrong

00:09:39.380 and put up the right information.

00:09:41.780 So, we have a little PowerPoint and video on that, you know, and it's amazing because

00:09:47.720 these companies are claiming that they're going to stop disinformation and everything

00:09:52.340 when they're actually putting it out there.

00:09:55.340 And we did the same thing actually on Facebook.

00:09:58.700 Facebook was my favorite because Facebook provides a link for you to visit.

00:10:04.080 So, you can see the real-time climate data for your region of the world.

00:10:09.220 So, you thought, you know what, let's click on it and see what's what.

00:10:12.840 And you debunked why it was so crazy.

00:10:16.460 Yeah.

00:10:16.800 Well, you know, they show this temperature average and, of course, the graph is going up.

00:10:22.300 But it's a very short period of time.

00:10:25.020 And then when you go and look at the scientific reference that they use, right in that scientific

00:10:29.360 reference, it says, this study should not be used for climate change science.

00:10:34.500 And then they go on to explain that particularly for Alberta, despite them having this historic

00:10:40.400 record of climate, they can't really evaluate temperature ranges in Alberta because of our

00:10:45.940 proximity to the Rockies.

00:10:48.200 And they use some complicated scientific terminology there.

00:10:51.280 But, you know, I show that you can actually go to the downtown Marriott Hotel in Calgary,

00:10:56.960 stand in their lobby, look at this beautiful picture of a Chinook sky.

00:11:01.060 And underneath, there's a little panel that says temperature change in Chinook conditions,

00:11:06.940 which are these very hot winds that come off the Pacific and over the mountains and then

00:11:10.720 descend.

00:11:11.800 Temperature changes can be as much as 5.5 degrees Celsius.

00:11:17.060 And the temperature can change 30 degrees in a matter of hours.

00:11:21.780 And so, this is why that the people who wrote the actual scientific paper that Facebook relied

00:11:26.800 on, this is why they say, don't use this for climate change science, because we don't have

00:11:31.920 a proper record of temperatures in this region.

00:11:36.160 But, you know, that didn't phase Facebook.

00:11:40.240 And then further, when you look at the Facebook story, you wonder, well, why would these social

00:11:45.500 media companies be so keen to prop up the climate catastrophe narrative?

00:11:49.280 Well, in fact, that's because they've attracted all these environment, social governance investors.

00:11:57.060 And that entirely is based on the UNPRI stating that climate change is our highest priority.

00:12:05.700 And Al Gore is their fiduciary guru.

00:12:08.720 And the social media companies are buying renewable energy credits, making long-term power purchase

00:12:21.060 agreements with renewable energy companies.

00:12:25.680 And so, in this way, they look clean to investors.

00:12:29.840 They're able to get all kinds of public subsidies.

00:12:32.700 They can write off a lot of this stuff.

00:12:34.460 And they can claim that they're 100% green when, in fact, they're big hogs. 1.00

00:12:38.980 They're energy hogs. 1.00

00:12:40.580 YouTube and Facebook are energy hogs.

00:12:44.340 There's no way that they're 100% renewable.

00:12:46.680 So, who's misleading and misinforming the public?

00:12:50.880 And yet, if you posted a video saying just that, just a video of you clicking through Facebook's

00:12:57.020 warning and reading their warning verbatim, going through and showing, you know, this is what

00:13:03.580 they say and why they say we shouldn't use this for climate science, that video, too,

00:13:08.080 would get slapped with a warning.

00:13:10.200 Yeah.

00:13:10.420 Well, so far, we haven't posted it to Facebook, but we'll see.

00:13:13.720 But, I mean, it's taken off.

00:13:15.340 Lots of people are really interested.

00:13:17.540 We posted it yesterday afternoon.

00:13:19.380 I think it's got about 1,400, 1,500 views already.

00:13:22.460 Yeah.

00:13:22.600 So, you know, and people, I think, are quite interested to know.

00:13:25.980 I think most people feel that there's something wrong.

00:13:29.180 I'm like, why are they so protectionist about this?

00:13:31.880 On the one hand, Mark Zuckerberg says, oh, we've got to have open, free speech.

00:13:37.480 And, you know, we want things to be in the public interest.

00:13:41.200 Well, for instance, isn't it in the public interest that Greta Thunberg testified to the

00:13:46.820 U.S. Congress that there's no science behind her statement, I want you to panic?

00:13:53.520 Isn't that in the public interest?

00:13:55.080 And wouldn't it be in the public interest to slap a warning on everything that she has 0.97

00:13:59.700 put on Facebook?

00:14:01.820 No.

00:14:02.700 They're not going to do that because they're actually protecting their commercial turf.

00:14:06.600 And I suspect under some competition bureau or Federal Trade Act regulations that that

00:14:13.200 might be some kind of a non-compliant thing to do.

00:14:17.460 Well, because you're basically, you know, blocking a market and promoting yourself without saying

00:14:22.360 that you are.

00:14:23.900 Well, and as you were talking there, I thought, you know what, maybe her content does need

00:14:27.200 a warning because we know that climate anxiety in kids, it's a thing now.

00:14:33.280 You know, it is a it's a worrisome thing where you have kids who are already under two years

00:14:39.580 of lockdown and a lot of them in those years where they are dark and sullen anyway in their

00:14:45.400 teenage years.

00:14:46.100 And now they're being told that the world is going to end and only they can save it.

00:14:51.840 It's causing mental health issues.

00:14:54.500 And this isn't just me speculating.

00:14:56.620 It's a it's a real thing right now.

00:15:00.200 Just in front of me right now, there's an article in The Lancet about climate anxiety in

00:15:05.460 children and young people about the government responses to climate change.

00:15:09.960 Yeah, no, it's a very serious problem because, of course, also you're imposing upon children

00:15:15.980 this demand that they solve it.

00:15:18.380 Yeah.

00:15:18.780 When no one can solve climate change, first of all.

00:15:22.380 Secondly, you're making them hate their parents because they think that their parents are evil

00:15:27.520 people who, you know, foisted this upon them and that they don't care, which is completely

00:15:33.260 untrue.

00:15:34.340 And you're also distorting history because, you know, like just the other day, Chris Hatch,

00:15:40.320 who is the husband of Sephora Berman, came up with an article on the National Observer saying

00:15:45.420 bodies per barrel and how some climate group has come up with some calculators, how many

00:15:52.800 people will die from global warming because of fossil fuels.

00:15:56.500 Well, everyone would be dead right now because of no fossil fuels.

00:16:01.900 If, you know, you look at the medical world, how many people have been saved by modern medicine?

00:16:07.160 It's only possible with oil, gas and coal, with the single use plastic products that are

00:16:13.260 sterile, with the energy that runs the surgical operating rooms, the, you know, heart pumps,

00:16:19.860 the pharmaceuticals.

00:16:22.000 None of these things can exist without fossil fuels.

00:16:24.560 You'd be back to kitchen table surgery.

00:16:27.140 And I don't think people want that.

00:16:29.420 So millions of people would have died without fossil fuels.

00:16:33.420 And we're not facing any catastrophic warming.

00:16:36.960 In fact, in our Facebook video, if you look at the long-term record for Calgary, there's

00:16:43.340 a cooling trend.

00:16:45.760 So it's interesting where they cut the data off.

00:16:49.160 They don't go back further to a decade of warming in the 30s.

00:16:54.400 They don't cover that.

00:16:56.120 They sort of cut that out and then move ahead.

00:16:59.060 Yeah.

00:16:59.320 I mean, when you look at the 30s in Alberta, most of it was really a dust bowl.

00:17:03.680 You know, there was no rain for about a decade.

00:17:06.260 And really, people, you know, literally lived hand to mouth.

00:17:11.460 Gopher stew was a thing.

00:17:12.920 So, you know, if children and parents want to have some perspective, I really recommend

00:17:21.080 looking at historical documents.

00:17:23.860 And there are two really good books for adults and young adults.

00:17:27.380 One is called The Little Ice Age, How Climate Changed History.

00:17:31.920 And that's about the period of the cool temperature drop just before 1860.

00:17:40.460 And it went from about 1350, no, 1250 to 1860.

00:17:45.860 And temperatures dropped between one and two degrees.

00:17:49.660 And people died because of famine, because of erratic weather.

00:17:53.180 The cold killed millions of people.

00:17:55.960 And then you look beyond that, back to the medieval warm period, sort of that Camelot time

00:18:00.960 when people were building castles and cathedrals and crops were abundant.

00:18:06.760 It was a warm, that's why they call it an optimum, because it was optimal conditions for life.

00:18:13.860 So, if you look at those periods and you realize that there's constantly this cyclical warming

00:18:19.060 and cooling, it gives you more perspective.

00:18:22.120 You don't have to be afraid of a climate catastrophe.

00:18:24.600 And you see that humans are not causing it all.

00:18:28.080 We're contributing to climate change, especially regionally.

00:18:31.320 As you and I have talked a few times, when you drive out of the city, you know.

00:18:36.080 It gets colder out here.

00:18:36.600 It gets cooler.

00:18:39.380 So, anyway, you know, have a look at history.

00:18:42.740 And for little kids, of course, we have our collection of little kid videos

00:18:46.140 that parents and grandparents could watch with their kids and use them as a conversation starter

00:18:51.160 to try and calm them down a little bit.

00:18:52.760 Yeah, I love that you do that sort of work, where you just sort of,

00:18:57.540 in a way that kids understand, tell them, chill out, relax.

00:19:01.420 It's probably the sun.

00:19:02.640 But speaking of people without any perspective whatsoever, you watched a Suzuki Foundation video

00:19:10.980 so that I didn't have to.

00:19:13.500 And they're talking about the use of electric vehicles and how electric vehicles are just

00:19:19.920 going to take over Canada.

00:19:21.440 We don't have the grid for that.

00:19:22.860 But secondarily, they're talking about blocking hydroelectric dams, which is pretty green energy,

00:19:32.380 all things considered.

00:19:33.340 They're talking about blocking and stopping hydroelectric dams while simultaneously saying,

00:19:39.780 green cars, electric cars are great.

00:19:43.020 We need them all over Canada.

00:19:44.200 And they can't put the two of them together like a normal person.

00:19:47.640 Yeah, it's, well, I have to say, this was Severn Calasuzuki's anniversary of her presentation

00:19:58.020 30 years ago at the Rio conference.

00:19:59.960 And I have to say, it really was, in many ways, very touching.

00:20:03.680 Because, you know, she was a young woman then, really a teenager.

00:20:08.120 And now she's in charge of the Suzuki Foundation, which her parents built up.

00:20:12.540 And, you know, as much as I disagree with almost everything they do or say, I congratulate them

00:20:18.240 on their success.

00:20:19.520 And it was touching to see her so many years later.

00:20:24.300 But ironically, her parents had been driving across Canada in an EV.

00:20:28.200 And they're pushing EVs.

00:20:29.760 And Suzuki was saying, yeah, you know, we were really great back in the day.

00:20:33.760 We managed to stop Sightsee Dam.

00:20:36.980 And yet 30 years later, they're still building it.

00:20:40.040 You know, why did they go ahead with it?

00:20:41.660 And we should have EV chargers everywhere across Canada.

00:20:44.480 And Tara has stepped in and said, and a high-speed rail from Vancouver to Toronto, so you could

00:20:50.260 get there in two hours.

00:20:52.120 You know, and it's like, do you people have any idea how much power is required for all

00:20:57.740 of this?

00:20:58.340 Anything that you're talking about, we would need, just for EVs, we'd need eight more dams

00:21:04.060 the size of Sightsee.

00:21:05.920 And there's not even one on the table.

00:21:08.260 No one's even talking about it.

00:21:09.800 So that takes about 20, 30 years to build.

00:21:13.400 And yet, he's just put out a paper, his organization has put out a paper called Shifting Power, I

00:21:19.680 think it is.

00:21:20.620 And they're claiming that by 2030, in eight years, we could have a fully electric decarbonized

00:21:28.260 system in Canada for everything.

00:21:30.320 So, you know, really the message of my video is that, you know, people have to learn much

00:21:37.680 more about how energy systems work, because these catastrophic decisions are being made

00:21:43.000 by ideologues, not by power engineers.

00:21:45.480 Now, you know, it's funny that we're talking about Jason or sorry, we're talking about David

00:21:53.240 Suzuki.

00:21:53.680 And the reason I think it's interesting is it leads us into the next topic about how our

00:21:59.680 immigration policy and our climate policies are about to go head to head and the liberals

00:22:04.860 are going to have to choose one or the other.

00:22:06.420 And the reason I had Jason Kenney on the tip of my tongue there was because David Suzuki,

00:22:12.140 he spoke out against immigration.

00:22:15.500 Of all people, this darling of the left, he spoke out against immigration in 2013 when

00:22:22.800 David Suzuki said, Canada's full and we shouldn't take any more immigrants.

00:22:29.000 Jason Kenney was the immigration minister federally at the time and said, that's crazy.

00:22:33.200 We're one of the least populated countries in the entire world.

00:22:37.820 Again, there are ways to examine our immigration policy so that we're helping immigrants integrate,

00:22:42.860 so that we're getting the right people to fill the right gaps in the economy.

00:22:46.480 All those are issues.

00:22:48.160 But to say that we're full, that's a bit crazy.

00:22:51.160 But everybody sort of dances around this idea of David Suzuki being a xenophobe.

00:22:59.360 Yeah, well, I don't know if he was a xenophobe.

00:23:01.480 He might have been just looking at it sort of from the aspect that we would agree with in our letter.

00:23:07.820 We recently wrote an open letter to the parliamentary budget officer and a few others, Bank of Canada,

00:23:15.260 in that we are saying that these are conflicting policies because every person who comes to Canada

00:23:22.460 brings a carbon footprint with them and expands their carbon footprint if they come here from a warm country.

00:23:28.120 So, you know, it's one thing to bring in, say, 50,000 people, you know, that's fairly nominal,

00:23:36.300 and we would probably be able to absorb them and probably be able to financially support them.

00:23:42.280 But the government is bringing in 400,000 people, and their plan is to bring 63 million people by 2100.

00:23:50.680 So, first of all, we're broke.

00:23:53.080 We don't really have the financial resources to properly help people get integrated.

00:23:58.980 Secondly, we have these extreme climate targets that are impossible to meet if we're going to keep bringing in thousands of people,

00:24:07.660 no matter how wonderful they are.

00:24:09.120 And I'm not speaking as a xenophobe.

00:24:11.840 Our scientific advisor, Dr. Kandekar, is from India.

00:24:16.020 My father was an immigrant here.

00:24:18.320 People in my family have married with many immigrants of very different backgrounds.

00:24:24.760 So, it's all wonderful.

00:24:26.700 But, you know, let's be practical about it.

00:24:29.580 Either we're going to try and meet climate targets, which, of course, we don't think are necessary to meet,

00:24:34.780 or we're going to bring immigrants, but we can't do both, not on this scale.

00:24:40.120 Well, and the reason I say xenophobe is not even that I think maybe David Suzuki is a xenophobe,

00:24:45.500 but if you said that, you would be considered a xenophobe.

00:24:49.620 If you said Canada's full, because the, you know, I forget what he said here.

00:24:55.680 He said, basically, oh, it's funny, because at the bottom of the news story,

00:25:00.820 it says David Suzuki was unavailable for comment.

00:25:03.560 Yeah, I bet he was.

00:25:04.780 Yeah, but what he said was, even though he was speaking to Australian environmentalists,

00:25:17.160 he always gets himself in trouble when he's in Australia.

00:25:21.720 And he said he agrees with Australian environmentalists who oppose population growth.

00:25:27.460 So these are anti-people people and immigration, because humans put a strain on natural resources.

00:25:35.340 And Suzuki replied, oh, I think that Canada is full too.

00:25:39.380 Even though it's the second largest country in the world, we have a reduced livable space.

00:25:43.100 I don't think that's entirely true either.

00:25:45.160 He calls our immigration policy disgusting.

00:25:48.220 We plunder countries in the South by depriving them of their future. 0.99

00:25:52.120 And we want to increase our population to support the growth of our economy.

00:25:56.680 It's crazy.

00:25:57.780 You know what we're doing to the people in the South? 1.00

00:25:59.760 We're depriving them of reliable energy through David Suzuki's policies.

00:26:04.000 So he deprives them of reliable energy through David Suzuki's policies that he pushes.

00:26:10.820 And they say, OK, well, we're going to come to a better life in Canada.

00:26:13.560 And David Suzuki also says, oh, no, no, no, no, we're full.

00:26:16.500 Go back to the place that we won't let you develop.

00:26:19.580 Right.

00:26:19.600 Well, and also, I think that people should read the Century Initiative.

00:26:24.020 That's what it's called, the document to bring the population up to 100 million people by 2100.

00:26:32.020 Because I think that the bargain is not very nice either.

00:26:36.600 Because the idea is that all of us boomers and taxpayers are going to be dying off.

00:26:42.080 So the government itself needs a new tax base.

00:26:45.320 So they're basically bringing in people to be slaves to the government to replace us, which, you know, we have a huge monumental debt in Canada.

00:26:57.600 We have huge unfunded pension liabilities.

00:27:00.920 So if you're an immigrant coming here for a new life, are you aware that basically you're going to be carrying the burden of this debt?

00:27:10.540 And you're going to be expected to pay it off and to support people who are flying around and drinking champagne, you know, and you will have a struggle being here because it's a very different country for many people.

00:27:24.760 I mean, if you come here from Finland, you're probably going to be OK.

00:27:27.880 If you come here from India, it's a very different life here. 1.00

00:27:33.400 Yeah.

00:27:33.500 Of course, many people from India have settled in and made a wonderful life here, but everyone can tell you, you know, the difference in temperature and everything else.

00:27:45.220 Well, and I wonder, too, how David Suzuki reconciles this new movement within climate change circles that there are going to be climate refugees. 0.56

00:27:54.540 It's going to cause mass migration. 0.98

00:27:57.140 And so it is up to the Western world, more northern climates like ours to take in all these people that they say are going to be disrupted by climate change.

00:28:06.680 I wonder how he reconciles his anti-immigration, anti-people philosophy with the other side of his own movement who says, oh, no, no, the refugees are coming and you have to take them all. 0.89

00:28:20.920 Well, I would say two things to that. 0.99

00:28:22.440 One is that he has been known to refer to people as maggots, defecating everywhere.

00:28:28.160 So I'm not sure that he really cares about any people.

00:28:31.800 And the other thing is that we do have a plan for that.

00:28:35.340 If you look on our blog, we have a climate refugee plan and it's all set out there, especially planned for Hollywood celebrities.

00:28:44.060 But but have a look and see how our climate refugee plan can work for you.

00:28:49.560 I hope it involves a flight to Mexico sometime in January.

00:28:55.600 It's going to be like Mexico here, didn't you know? 1.00

00:28:58.480 Promises.

00:28:59.020 Worming three times as fast as the average in the world.

00:29:01.960 So, you know, just moving along a little bit.

00:29:09.620 You at Friends of Science, you guys have done an analysis because we see the already talk about this, the climate lockdown.

00:29:19.820 So they say, oh, you know, we locked everybody in their homes for two years.

00:29:23.260 And lo and behold, carbon emissions went down when they went down for everybody except Justin Trudeau.

00:29:29.180 I've been looking at his flight record.

00:29:31.220 But but they say, oh, look, they went down.

00:29:36.420 So let's just keep doing this.

00:29:38.800 Now we had public health lockdowns.

00:29:40.820 But since climate change is the pressing emergency in the world, we would be remiss not to lock everybody down to save the earth.

00:29:49.780 Right.

00:29:50.640 Well, yes, we did an analysis on this in a recent press release.

00:29:56.440 And I would say especially the World Economic Forum are the most misleading parties on this topic.

00:30:03.880 They've issued a couple of tweets saying that lockdowns are improving cities.

00:30:10.840 They actually had to retract that one because it was in such bad taste.

00:30:15.340 But they also have a number of blog posts saying, you know, lockdowns reduced emissions and we should do more of them.

00:30:23.460 But in fact, the fact is, and I'm just going to read this.

00:30:26.580 This is from one of our open letters to the Bank of Canada.

00:30:29.400 The fact is, the drop in emissions during COVID lockdowns is not enough to significantly affect the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

00:30:38.720 One must compare the change of emissions to the annual change of CO2 concentrations, not the cumulative CO2.

00:30:46.200 This graph from Dr. Roy Spencer's article shows that the annual random fluctuations in the change of CO2 concentrations are far larger than expected change.

00:30:57.400 Change due to lockdown reduction changes.

00:31:00.260 So that means that the natural fluctuation of over the course of the year, of course, the the earth kind of breathes in winter in the northern hemisphere.

00:31:12.660 There's a huge concentration of CO2 because none of the forests are growing.

00:31:17.760 None of the plants are are planted in the field.

00:31:20.660 Agriculture comes to a standstill.

00:31:22.500 But from April until August, there's a huge uptake of CO2 as all of those things burst into life.

00:31:32.060 And it is interesting that the COVID lockdown started in April.

00:31:36.000 So, you know, I I think it was a climate lockdown anyway.

00:31:39.560 So the point is that the expected reduction in the annual CO2 increase in the atmosphere is only 0.12 parts per million or 1,200 parts per million due to the COVID lockdown in 2020.

00:31:52.080 But the annual fluctuation is 0.5 to one part per million or five tenths to one part per million.

00:32:02.000 Therefore, the CO2 change in the atmosphere due to COVID lockdown is far smaller than random fluctuations.

00:32:09.700 And, you know, oil and gas demand has skyrocketed after COVID.

00:32:15.300 So it was after the COVID lockdown.

00:32:19.380 So it's a useless thing to do.

00:32:22.820 It's senseless and it's so damaging to the economy and to people in general.

00:32:28.300 We should never, ever, ever lock down again for any reason.

00:32:33.020 Not even monkeypox?

00:32:35.120 Especially not monkeypox.

00:32:36.720 From what I understand, monkeypox is a bit of an STD.

00:32:40.600 So I think a lot of us are going to be just fine.

00:32:45.480 Now, you at Friends of Science, you guys are famous because the ironically named Institute for Strategic Dialogue says,

00:32:53.760 shut up, Michelle, you're spreading misinformation. 1.00

00:32:57.520 Tell us about that. 0.99

00:32:59.800 Yeah, it was interesting.

00:33:01.180 One of our followers on Twitter alerted us to this report from this Institute for Strategic Dialogue, which I'd never heard of.

00:33:09.280 They did a big analysis of Twitter commentary during the COP26 event.

00:33:15.600 And they picked out the disinformers. 0.96

00:33:19.380 And we're proud to say that we're right up there with Dr. Patrick Moore and Michael Schellenberger and other famous climate deniers.

00:33:30.360 Anyway, we made it into this booklet, this review.

00:33:34.420 And it looks like they're really mad about the Alberta Inquiry.

00:33:37.840 Yeah.

00:33:38.280 Because now they want to set up their own war room.

00:33:42.900 And it's kind of like, you guys have a $600 million a year war room to begin with.

00:33:48.600 It's probably, it's way more than $600 million a year.

00:33:52.140 Like millions, billions of dollars have been pumped into the climate ENGO community for decades now.

00:34:00.560 And, you know, we're little guys fighting back.

00:34:03.920 And yet, now we're the stars of the disinformation world.

00:34:07.360 But these people claim to be supporting rule of law and freedom of speech and human rights.

00:34:12.960 And the first thing they want to do is shut us up and perhaps even penalize us.

00:34:17.840 And they want to get big tech behind it to help censor and shut up people like us.

00:34:22.720 And, of course, who funds them?

00:34:24.760 Who are their partners?

00:34:26.320 Big tech.

00:34:28.880 This is, it's really something else here.

00:34:33.320 They, I'm just going through this.

00:34:35.620 They've named John Stossel as their feet offender.

00:34:41.360 They've taken umbrage with the Wall Street Journal of all places.

00:34:46.240 And then they classify people into different categories of being an anti-vax, anti-vaccine, or vaccine skeptic.

00:34:57.420 I'm not sure why this is in this report, but it's right at the top.

00:35:01.860 And I think maybe they're talking about the intersection of just people who are generally skeptics of everything.

00:35:07.900 Then they talk about climate denial.

00:35:09.760 Then climate skepticism.

00:35:11.780 So, if you're not a 100% true believer, also you get on a list.

00:35:18.120 Then lukewarmers and lukewarmer-isms.

00:35:22.520 They're just inventing words now to describe people who may not necessarily buy into everything.

00:35:29.100 The Daily Mail is cited as a problem here.

00:35:31.440 At one point, they've cited The Guardian.

00:35:34.100 Like, it's just, oh, pray you're you for not falling in love with electric vehicles.

00:35:40.460 The private jets in Glasgow, they saw that as, you know, people talking about how everybody flew in a private jet.

00:35:49.720 That's also bad news.

00:35:51.180 You know, I didn't even check to see if Rebel News was on here.

00:35:53.860 Yeah, I think you are.

00:35:55.120 Are we really?

00:35:55.860 That's wonderful.

00:35:57.440 Good job.

00:35:58.480 Yeah.

00:35:58.660 Good job, team.

00:36:01.780 Oh, I see Lori Goldstein is problematic. 1.00

00:36:05.500 He's their boy.

00:36:07.300 Yeah.

00:36:08.040 They've got him.

00:36:09.100 Glenn Beck is a bad guy. 0.96

00:36:11.340 Terrible. 0.99

00:36:11.940 Yep.

00:36:13.160 Wow.

00:36:13.700 That's really something else.

00:36:15.060 Well, good job, Michelle.

00:36:17.040 Thanks.

00:36:17.600 Yeah.

00:36:17.800 Well, a lot of the team at Clintel are kind of envious of us.

00:36:20.980 Kind of like, well, we're going to have to work harder to get on that list.

00:36:24.760 Cop 27.

00:36:25.740 Here we come.

00:36:26.540 Oh, Dan Crenshaw.

00:36:28.100 Like, even politicians, whose job it is to be in opposition to government policies.

00:36:35.740 That's literally their job.

00:36:38.000 Those made the list.

00:36:39.400 Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:36:40.640 I mean, just everybody who doesn't buy this completely, that taxes change the weather.

00:36:48.720 They made it on the list.

00:36:49.860 Oh, Patrick Moore is on the list.

00:36:52.160 Yeah.

00:36:52.380 And just remember, this is a UK charity.

00:36:55.380 Charity.

00:36:56.120 Right?

00:36:56.320 So, this is the same thing where, like with the ENGOs in Canada, where they wear the halo

00:37:02.660 of charities.

00:37:04.120 So, people think, oh, well, they must be doing good.

00:37:07.040 Right?

00:37:07.460 When actually they're denigrating freedom of speech, rule of law.

00:37:12.820 I mean, going back to Suzuki lately, he's been once again pushing being radical.

00:37:18.580 And if it's radical to love nature, then okay, I'm a radical.

00:37:23.540 I mean, in light of what's happened with Coastal Gas Link and the whole hooferah about him saying

00:37:28.660 things about damaging pipelines and other infrastructure, you'd think he would shut up

00:37:34.020 just out of good, moral, ethical integrity.

00:37:36.760 But no, no, he's just got to, one more time, push that envelope, incite a few more people,

00:37:43.920 tell them that whatever you do to protect the planet is fine, and it doesn't matter if

00:37:48.380 you ruin people's lives.

00:37:50.920 Wow.

00:37:52.220 Ezra's labeled as a top influencer with Dinesh D'Souza.

00:37:56.060 Good company.

00:37:57.260 Rita Panahi and PragerU.

00:38:00.020 Good for us.

00:38:00.880 We are identified as a cluster of influencers.

00:38:07.600 Great.

00:38:08.300 That's great.

00:38:09.220 Next, you know what, I'm going to, I didn't even check to see if I'm on the list, but I

00:38:12.820 hope I am somewhere.

00:38:14.840 You know what, here's to COP27.

00:38:17.080 Yeah.

00:38:17.840 Yeah.

00:38:18.440 We've got time.

00:38:19.620 We've still got time.

00:38:21.760 No.

00:38:23.180 We will do our best.

00:38:25.060 I'm going to get on this list if it kills me.

00:38:26.720 Um, no, Michelle, uh, Friends of Science has been around for 20 years, two decades of

00:38:33.960 fighting for civil debate on this issue.

00:38:38.060 Unlike these people from the, I've ironically named, the Institute for strategic dialogue,

00:38:45.880 strategic dialogue.

00:38:46.980 That's what it was.

00:38:47.640 I couldn't remember what it was because, uh, they literally don't want you talking about

00:38:51.460 certain things.

00:38:51.940 So I feel like that's a bit of a misnomer they have there, but, uh, you guys have been

00:38:56.600 fighting for just for people to be able to have the discussion without getting canceled.

00:39:01.520 Um, and the other side, like you say, they're charities, they get public funding.

00:39:05.820 They're funded by governments.

00:39:06.840 They're funded by these, um, charity clearing houses of dark money, sometimes from foreign,

00:39:12.660 um, foreign countries, um, in the, uh, respect of Russia did some funding of some of these

00:39:20.360 organizations.

00:39:21.340 You guys are just little guys trying to do this on your own.

00:39:25.040 You don't get any public money whatsoever.

00:39:26.620 I don't think you would take it anyway.

00:39:28.120 Um, but you're trying to raise some money for your 20th birthday.

00:39:32.340 Yeah.

00:39:32.980 So we just are asking our followers or, um, people who like our work, if you can give us

00:39:39.660 $20, uh, you could do an e-transfer to contact at friendsofscience.org.

00:39:45.220 You can go online and donate, or best of all, if you could become a member, because then

00:39:50.200 you'd continue to get our additional information.

00:39:53.300 Um, but, um, you know, we, we think it's a nominal contribution and it would help us.

00:39:59.180 And, uh, you know, the thing is we often sort of limp along through the year doing fundraising

00:40:04.700 calls and getting kind of down to the bottom of the barrel.

00:40:08.680 And we thought, well, why don't we kick off this year, our 20th year, and just ask people

00:40:13.040 if they would give us the equivalent of a dollar a year for our, um, our material.

00:40:18.120 And we, we offer our material free of charge because we want people to be able to access

00:40:22.340 it, to be able to be informed, to have some factual, substantial arguments when they're

00:40:29.280 having a discussion with someone so that they can say, well, see here, this is how much

00:40:33.340 energy is required for this type of operation, or if you want to have all EVs, this is how

00:40:39.920 many dams you'd need to build, you know, so that people have practical concrete information

00:40:45.220 and insights from experts.

00:40:47.340 You know, a lot of our reports are put together by professional engineers who actually either

00:40:51.860 do work or have worked in the field of power generation and other engineering endeavors.

00:40:59.220 So there are people who really know what it is, you know, one of our people, our president

00:41:05.660 worked on the first carbon capture and storage project that we know of.

00:41:10.220 So he actually was there, you know, he knows how complicated it is, he knows how effective

00:41:16.420 it is to what degree or not.

00:41:18.940 So, um, you know, this is a material that would cost a fortune if it was commissioned by these

00:41:25.720 experts, but we offer it to you free of charge because we want you to know these are such

00:41:31.700 important public policy issues that the public has to be more informed, policymakers have to

00:41:38.300 be held to account.

00:41:39.960 And the only way we can do that is with open civil debate and an informed public.

00:41:44.620 So if you can help us, that'd be great.

00:41:47.060 And you're up against big tech censorship.

00:41:48.800 They're labeling your, your stuff as misinformation.

00:41:53.220 You never monetized your YouTube channel and you couldn't now at this point, even if you

00:41:58.540 wanted to.

00:41:59.240 So you don't have these revenue streams that are available to everybody else.

00:42:03.060 You don't have those available to you.

00:42:05.220 And you're up against, you're serving up scientific facts, grown up facts when you're up against

00:42:12.520 the childhood emotions of the other side that where Greta Thunberg is their avatar.

00:42:18.780 And she admits to just making things up out of thin air to scare people and friends of

00:42:25.440 science is serving up facts and trying to calm people down.

00:42:29.020 And I think that's important work.

00:42:31.080 Thank you, Michelle.

00:42:33.240 Thanks so much for coming on the show.

00:42:34.540 You've been exceedingly generous with your time today.

00:42:38.220 I'm so glad that you were able to come on.

00:42:40.380 Um, we'll have you back on again, very, very soon.

00:42:42.780 And here's to 20 more years at friends of science.

00:42:45.760 Thank you.

00:42:46.420 I wish we wouldn't have to continue for 20 more years, but, but we'll do it if we have

00:42:51.600 to, we'll be there for you anyway.

00:42:54.920 Thanks so much, Sheila.

00:42:56.220 Thanks Michelle.

00:43:04.100 Well, this is a portion of the show where we invite your viewer feedback on like the mainstream

00:43:09.680 media who just take your money and never want to hear from you again.

00:43:13.900 We invite your comments.

00:43:15.600 I go looking for them and I even give out my email in case you want to send one directly

00:43:19.680 to me.

00:43:20.400 If you want to do that, if you want to send me a letter or a comment to read on air, it's

00:43:26.620 real easy.

00:43:27.340 Just go to Sheila at rebel news.com.

00:43:29.860 That's my email and put gun show letters in the subject line.

00:43:34.440 As you probably have guessed, I get a couple hundred emails a day and that just makes it

00:43:39.700 easy for me to search them and select them.

00:43:41.760 And I really don't select them by comment or content.

00:43:45.940 I select them completely at random.

00:43:48.340 And I also take comments sometimes from some of the comment section from the video platforms

00:43:55.200 wherein we post our content.

00:43:57.300 So another reason for you to post comments underneath all of our videos.

00:44:02.280 You might get selected to get read on air.

00:44:04.620 Anyway, this week's letter comes to us from Bruce Atchison.

00:44:10.000 He writes me quite a bit.

00:44:11.740 Anyway, that should be a lesson to all of you.

00:44:14.440 Write in and write in frequently so I find your email.

00:44:18.180 Anyway, Bruce writes,

00:44:19.040 Hi, Sheila and head pets to Margaret Scratcher. 1.00

00:44:21.940 Now, for those of you who don't know, my cat's name is Margaret Scratcher.

00:44:25.200 And if you listen carefully in the background of my videos and in particular, my interview

00:44:29.780 with Michelle, you can hear her sort of meowing around in the background.

00:44:33.240 Bruce says,

00:44:33.780 Your interview with Andrew Lawton was fascinating.

00:44:36.460 Is his book available in PDF form?

00:44:38.740 I'd buy a copy if I could have my PC read it to me.

00:44:41.380 Being legally blind, print is difficult to read.

00:44:43.980 And I could lose what little vision I have left.

00:44:47.720 With regards, Bruce Atchison and Delta the cat.

00:44:50.400 I hope it's Bruce Atchison and not Bruce Atchison because I've been saying your name wrong.

00:44:54.000 I think both times you've written to me.

00:44:56.060 Well, Bruce, I should tell you, you obviously know about Andrew's new book, but I'll just

00:45:01.580 give everybody who doesn't know a quick refresher.

00:45:04.180 And if you want to see my interview with Andrew, that's last week's show.

00:45:08.240 His book is called The Freedom Convoy, The Inside Story of Three Weeks That Shook the World.

00:45:12.500 It's his first-hand account of the three weeks of the convoy to Ottawa, but also it includes

00:45:21.000 interviews from participants in the convoy.

00:45:24.920 And when I first interviewed Andrew, his book, although it's still only available in pre-order,

00:45:30.800 it's not even out yet.

00:45:32.080 It was number one in certain subcategories on Amazon Canada.

00:45:37.200 And that's great.

00:45:39.540 But right now, it is number two on all of Amazon Canada.

00:45:46.540 And I'm so happy and so proud of Andrew and his success.

00:45:51.760 This just shows me how much people want to know the truth.

00:45:57.120 Because the mainstream media got so much of what happened in the convoy wrong, and the

00:46:04.120 liberals lied and lied and lied about the convoy and the mainstream media.

00:46:08.360 They were just happy to republish and regurgitate those lies.

00:46:12.380 And it became like this snake eating its own tail, where the CBC would get a story wrong,

00:46:17.360 then the liberals would cite this wrong CBC story, and then the police would react and around

00:46:23.000 and around and around it would go, and it was all wrong.

00:46:26.900 And so Andrew wrote a book to tell the truth.

00:46:30.640 And as I said, I'm just so happy and so pleased.

00:46:33.480 And his book is available on Amazon for those of you who want to purchase it.

00:46:37.380 Again, it still just didn't pre-order, but it is number two on all of Amazon Canada.

00:46:42.480 And that's so great.

00:46:43.160 But moreover, to your point, Bruce, I will pass along a suggestion to my friend Andrew

00:46:50.480 that perhaps he should consider doing an audio version of the book.

00:46:56.900 Andrew's an old radio guy.

00:46:58.620 He's got a great voice for reading books, I think.

00:47:04.540 And I would love to listen to his book as read in his own voice.

00:47:10.420 And, you know, it's true.

00:47:12.520 Sometimes we forget there are people out there with different challenges who want to consume

00:47:16.920 our content and we have to make sure that it is consumable in a way that is suitable for them.

00:47:21.800 So I will pass along a suggestion to Andrew that maybe he'd like to read his book and so

00:47:28.620 that people could buy the audio version.

00:47:30.680 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:47:32.280 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:47:33.920 I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.

00:47:37.760 Again, if you want to send a letter, question, query, or comment to be read on air, it's real

00:47:42.980 easy, just go to sheila at rebelnews.com, send me an email, put gun show letters in the subject

00:47:49.160 line so I can find it.

00:47:50.320 And please leave a comment on some of our other content because I do go looking over there.

00:47:55.360 And remember, guys, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:47:59.040 You're welcome.

00:48:26.340 You're welcome.

00:48:26.920 Okay.

00:48:29.100 Okay.

Rebel News Podcast - June 23, 2022

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Michelle Stirling on Big Tech's climate 'misinformation' warnings

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