SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ No PST, No Problem： Alberta parents save big during back-to-school season
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Did you know that it's much cheaper to buy your school supplies in Alberta than in other parts of the country because of the absence of a provincial sales tax? Chris Simons from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation joins me tonight to tell us about the Alberta advantage.
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did you know that it's much cheaper to buy your school supplies in alberta chris sims from the
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canadian taxpayers federation joins me tonight to tell us about the alberta advantage i'm
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and you're watching the gun show alberta is the last province in this country to avoid having a
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provincial sales tax although there are constant pushes from the big-headed people in academia who
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can afford to pay and increase costs on literally everything for a provincial sales tax for them it
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is much better to collect more money from the struggling taxpayer than to rein in government
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spending but not having a provincial sales tax makes everything from buying groceries
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to back to school shopping much more expensive in fact my guest today my friend chris sims of the
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canadian taxpayers federation a mom just like me with kids going back to school ran the numbers
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broke it down and she's got the details up next
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so joining me now is my friend and good friend of the show chris sims of the canadian taxpayers
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federation and i saw this uh post that you made uh maybe a week or so ago on x and it was about just
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the savings that albertans have over other parents when we send our kids back to school tell us about
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this yeah big time so again this is one of those things you know when um people join like a new
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religion or they start a new diet or something and they're the ones that can't shut up about it
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so i'm that person because i moved here cross fitter exactly so i moved here from british columbia
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where they stick pst on everything including thrift shopped items and used cars so they're really bad for
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that very mean to poor people and i moved here to the wonderful land of alberta that has no pst
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so i have these fresh eyeballs on everything whenever i buy something and i wince a little at the till
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it's not as bad as i was expecting for the tax because we don't have pst here in alberta and i
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really wanted to highlight it because as you know sheila every now and then there's going to be
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some paper that comes out some academic some politician who intones in a musky way you know
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it is time for us to join the rest of canada and get a sales tax in alberta no we don't so i worked
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out the math on average the average alberta family saves over 50 bucks just on the pst non-existing here
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just on back to school shopping so i'm not talking about all the rest of the year so that's that's big
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across the whole province if you add up the student population that's around 20 million dollars that
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families are saving so that's amazing but you know we look at that as albertans are saving money
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but those are other families across this country being absolutely hammered by this so you tack this
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on to the cost of living um you know like it it's more money to drive your kids to school busing fees
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are going up because of the carbon tax which justin trudeau just uh didn't even factor into the
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equation um other families in the country are paying 50 more dollars than alberta families and
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i know how hard it is for an alberta family to make ends meet which i mean it's just atrocious
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it is it's disgusting and when you think about 50 bucks i can get two backpacks for that for my kids
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if i shop smart i can even get a pair of winter boots for one of my kids new for that kind of
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money and then you start thinking you're right about the other families so i'll use british columbia
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as an example because it's pretty egregious for their costs and also i have first-hand experience
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there so they'll put pst like i said on everything from a brand new laptop and you know an average
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laptop nowadays will run you around 300 okay that's an instant 25 charge not including the eco
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fee and all that other nonsense that they stick on there that's just pst they put pst on almost all
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clothing almost all books and pens and paper and supplies now technically in british columbia you can
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say hey these are tax exempt but like a handful of people know that in british columbia for school
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supplies and almost no retailer knows about it you have to stand there literally with your
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calculator and receipt in hand like citing the law with the clerk and even then the poor clerk
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probably doesn't know how to give you pst exemption and quite often if you want to go all the way to
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the mat you have to register like how many kids you have and how old they are and blah blah blah blah
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in order to even get their seven percent pst back and so if you start thinking about this as a
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family and you start adding all of that up on the pst on pretty much everything except for fresh food
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it's an outrageous burden on families and it's when times come around things like christmas shopping
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things like back to school holidays that's when it really shows for that price tag and so i really
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wanted to highlight the difference that we pay here in alberta it is a real alberta advantage and also
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highlight how unfair this is in other provinces and some of the things are just stupid like in in
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saskatchewan you pay correct me if i'm wrong folks who are listening it's six percent pst you pay it on
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in british columbia backpacks are taxable but bags specifically designed to carry books are not
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so it's one of these ridiculous bureaucratic maze hell tax code situations that just winds up costing
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people a ton of money and we don't pay it here in alberta and we have to fight to keep it that way
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ctf is something that i really appreciate is because you take these like big complex tax issues which are
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i think specifically complex so you just throw up your hands and pay it um but you break it down
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by what it means to each individual family so you've done uh calculations about how much your
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christmas dinner is you know how much it costs less in alberta than it does in other provinces and i
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think that's really important to not only help albertans understand how important fighting to keep
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a pst out of our province is but how important it is for other provinces to look at their own
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governments and say wouldn't it be great if you gave us a little bit of a tax break here
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yes exactly it it is done on purpose so if a bureaucrat or a politician can get away
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with telling you oh well the carbon tax is 80 something dollars per ton
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like your eyes glaze over nobody knows what the hell that means i don't know what that means really
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it's like honey did you pick up a ton of carbon on the way home no what is the ton of carbon like
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what is the ton of carbon who knows exactly what is a ton of carbon can you even picture it in your head
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like i kind of picture like a gigantic like earth mover truck full of like black stuff and then what
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is it taxed based on it's crazy but if i tell you it's 15 bucks per fill up of a pickup truck
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there you go that's a roast chicken and a jug of milk right fill it up twice now you're buying a turkey
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with some fixings see how that helps so it's the same thing with pst so here in alberta on average
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it's around 50 savings per family on the pst and this is me cutting it in half okay because there
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there's deloitte which does this big survey every year for consumerism and they actually estimated that
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the average uh canadian family spends around 700 on back to school and so the thrifty mama and me was
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like that's really expensive so i cut that in half say you spend 350 okay this is how much we're saving
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so the average alberta family saving around 50 bucks what they're paying in ontario for example
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is like 65 60 dollars extra per family again this is just for this little window of back to school
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shopping spread that kind of spending or saving out over the entire year and we see why people in
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other provinces are struggling worse here than in alberta now i wanted to stress though i do know
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and i hear you folks in alberta are still struggling like a lot can i mention something so it really
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annoyed me so uh i've been uh friends with rob snow for a long time he's a good friend of mine now he's a
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he's a mainstream media radio host he has a national show um way back in the day we started working
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together in the early 2000s like back when we had blackberries and like still cat cassette recorders for
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reporting um i was on there uh about a week or so ago with a liberal strategist well known in the
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ottawa sector you see her on tv all the time and we were talking about the trudeau government's cabinet
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retreat in halifax and i said you know what keep your receipts because the last few retreats you guys
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have gone on like in charlottetown and vancouver have been stupid expensive and you're wasting money
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and she snarkily said oh well i guess i should just pack a peanut butter sandwich
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yeah they should um they should also stay home because we have gigantic buildings in ottawa that
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taxpayers already pay for but you know what's stuck in my craw sheila is that peanut butter
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is a staple for food banks peanut butter is one of the things i have noticed between inflation and
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the carbon tax has gone up ridiculously in the last three years i was at a store mainstream store with
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a huge grocery section just yesterday peanut butter was 11 10.99 for a one kilogram brand name
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jar of peanut butter not organic standard regular peanut butter 11 bucks i used to be able to get
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peanut butter on sale for 3.75 just a few years ago and so i was that really annoyed me because she said
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in a really sarcastic way oh should we pack peanut butter sandwiches okay number one uh we shouldn't be
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paying for a lobster or whatever at these retreats number two these retreats shouldn't be happening
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outside of ottawa there's no reason for it and number three read the room like why why can some of these
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folks not read the room we've got record demand for food banks and 50 percent of canadians are within
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200 bucks of not making all their minimum payments why can't this set understand this
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well and these are the same people who told me that it was acceptable to go to church over zoom
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surely to hell they can have their cabinet retreats over zoom too and as you are as you rightly
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point out read the room um the top three issues i think are inflation affordability and health care
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in this country and they're off having luxury cabinet retreats while canadians are struggling
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to make ends meet and being crushed under these escalating trudeau taxes i mean it's appalling yeah
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pack a peanut butter sandwich or as you say better yet stay home yeah exactly and their food is paid for
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in ottawa because the members of parliament i keep repeating this are technically away from home
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when they're in ottawa so they're like on the per diem train so their food is paid for and almost
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always especially when the house is in session i think there's at least two maybe three but i think
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at least two hot meals provided right in the lobby of the house of commons like big chilled juice
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bottles grilled fish all that stuff every flippin day so yeah maybe you could you know suffer
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stay in the national capital while you're trying to do the nation's work
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we've before i want to talk to you about doing the nation's work and how justin trudeau doesn't plan to
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ever apparently ever balance a budget but things are sort of looking up here in alberta we
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our fiscal fiscal update was out shows that we've got an even higher surplus than was estimated
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but uh you point out that that's that's good news but it's not all good news yeah so i'll start with
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the good news because i think everybody needs good news so folks if they remember so the way that
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budgets work okay is that the big february budget that comes out provincially is really kind of just a
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fiscal update i know that sounds weird but the final numbers aren't super duper in all the way
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okay so in february the alberta government reported a teeny tiny little surplus like in a budget worth
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around 70 billion dollars a surplus of 367 million is as thin as a baby kitten's whisker
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so that's fine fast forward to now we had our first quarterly fiscal update at the very end of
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august beginning of september happens every year the good news is is that the surplus is more than four
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billion dollars with a b that's good the little yellow light of caution i have here on my dashboard
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though and i could sense that tone coming from minister horner as well so i don't think i'm speaking
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at a school um is that as he called it it's an accounting surplus so what does that mean exactly
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so that means they don't have a lot of cash on hand for the rest of the fiscal year that can
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sometimes be okay because that means that governments are less likely to blow the money
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right and it also i think it means that they're not taking in more than they should
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yes so i'm always worried when they say surplus i'm like what you took too much from me
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give me my tax cut exactly exactly right we'll get to that and so i found this very interesting
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his kind of tone of caution it was like cautious optimism i would describe it as and we shared that
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um and so what's happening is this gets a little weird there are still borrowing more money
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the debt is going up by a few billion dollars concerning i spoke with the finance department several
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times that day and they said oh we're borrowing more now because we have a much better rate right
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now than they're anticipating years going forward and so that way we're doing it now it's all part of
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the way that we're balancing it out blah blah blah blah so my note of caution there is that you can't
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predict the future nobody knows what the rates are going to be nobody knows what's going to roll down
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the pipe next time there could be a disaster god forbid um so that's a little bit concerning the bright
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side though is that our interest payments they call them debt servicing costs our interest payments
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are going down we're spending about a hundred million dollars less this year right now servicing
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the debt paying our interest on our credit card in alberta than we were last year so that's good
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so again it's it's good news and a little bit of yellow caution lights the really good news is that
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we have got really strong fiscal guardrails in place in alberta it might be some of the strongest
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actually in north america definitely the strongest in all of canada meaning they must balance the
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budget okay they must keep spending increases below the rate of inflation plus population growth
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we've been telling them to do that since the backstreet boys were topping the charts if they'd
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listen to us back in the mid 90s we'd have 300 billion dollars stuffed under the mattress right now
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not including interest and they also have to use half of cash surpluses down on the debt
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with the rest of it either going into the savings fund heritage fund or being spent on one-time
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spending the other part of the good news is that the heritage fund keeps going up they put more money
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into it and all of the cash from it like the the basically you'd call it a dividend right the money
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coming from it is staying in it now that used to be moved over to the operating column no longer so
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they've passed some really good legislation here so it's mostly good news i did want to note caution
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though that they are borrowing more money which is concerning let's just talk about those debt
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servicing costs uh those were so high thanks to the ndp and their successive credit downgrades
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um they the ndp uh with their fiscal irresponsibility they're borrowing their deficit spending caused
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alberta's credit rating to fall which makes borrowing money a lot more expensive uh now we're seeing
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improvements in our credit rating uh and these credit rating agencies are have a little bit more
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confidence in alberta thanks to those guardrails that you pointed out and just being a little bit
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more prudent makes borrowing a little bit more affordable yes even though i'm against the
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borrowing yeah exactly and this is it and you don't need to take our word for it you can actually
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go to like moody's and you know different you know lending international credit rating agencies and
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read their reasoning for giving the province of alberta credit rating upgrades we've had two maybe
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three in the last little while so that's really good news that's the opposite of what's happening in a lot
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of other provinces and the language they give is usually things like you know stable expectations
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of oil prices that's fair um and key here balanced budgets balanced budgets they always mention that
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saving money putting it into the savings fund they'll list these things as reasons for giving us
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a better credit rating so these are all really positive things and it's important for people to pay
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attention to them yeah i think under rachel notley's uh fiscal governance uh we saw maybe six or eight
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credit downgrades which is really unheard of because we had been uh financially strong in this province
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despite an increase in debt for a very long time it just took four fast years to undo so much of that
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good work she never balanced the budget one time like not one time in four years it was consecutive
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deficit budgets so and usually going you know at the end of your term you'd expect at least a
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balanced budget no no that doesn't seem to really occur to them as a problem so and it is a huge
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problem look at what's happened to british columbia it's astonishing british columbia used to have
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balanced budget legislation believe it or not and now looks like they have no plans under the current
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eb government to ever balance the budget and to be fair when john horgan was premier before the
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lockdowns and the madness happened and carol james was his finance minister she seemed to take it
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pretty seriously with balanced budgets and she had some balanced budgets their capital spending was going
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up but they had some pretty strong operationally balanced budgets on that column that has gone out
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the window like gone gone and now their debt is just skyrocketing over there so here we're in a much
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better position politicians not even trying what a segue into justin trudeau uh he you know the man
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who once famously said that uh the budget will balance itself and that he examines the economy from
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the heart outward whatever that means uh i guess we're getting what we voted for and by we i mean
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the royal we and specifically not me um because it appears as though the feds are never ever going
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to even consider balancing the budget but they don't have a lot of time left in office i don't think
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yeah it's pretty grim um i'm trying to i always try to end on a hopeful note but um it is pretty grim
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so you're right uh they did say that they were it was going to balance itself they did say they would
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grow the economy from the heart outwards um he has said in the past he doesn't think of fiscal policy
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which is really concerning what's key for me though is that he did set a deadline for himself
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he said that they were going to run little itty bitty deficits as prime minister stephen harper had
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called them but trudeau promised to balance the budget in 2019 so forget about the lockdowns this is
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all pre-2020 he promised to balance the budget then they did not like narrator they did not like
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and did they ever not so in the year this is what blows my mind and my good friend franco terrazzano
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has explained this really well and he's done the math the fiscal year 2018 2019 the trudeau government
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spent more money in that year than in any one year of the second world war adjusted for inflation and
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population like nothing crazy was happening a tsunami was not hitting canada aliens were not invading in
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2018 2019 but they still managed to overspend to that extent and so this is why you're exactly right
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the parliamentary budget officer has again found that based on what we're doing right now
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and if they don't approve new spending which is almost impossible and if the economy is super strong
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sheila they will only balance the budget like coast to a stop in 2040
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i know franco told me that i was i choked yeah 2040 and the amount of money i think we're going to spend
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i can't remember if it was on interest payments or because we're not balancing the budget he'd worked
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it out it was in the hundreds of millions of dollars like i think it was close to like 800
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like billion dollars it was crazy that we're overspending and it's so crazy because part of my job is to pay
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attention to these committee hearings where it's just spending money wasting money giving it to well-connected
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liberal insiders without any sort of oversight or accountability everybody's getting their pockets lined
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and it's it's just basic good old common sense you watch the pennies and the dollars will take care of
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themselves now when you balloon it up to the federal government pennies might mean millions of dollars
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but they are the millions of dollars just flying out and we end up a trillion dollars in debt
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yes before you know it and this is how quick it's happened uh so we toured the debt clock very briefly across
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alberta because we had to frankly move it from bc to saskatchewan so don't waste the gas money make
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sure you stop a couple right right makes sense hey watch the pennies and the dollars take care of
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themselves um and so we did a couple of brief stops in places like lethbridge and red deer and edmonton
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and we pointed out that the trudeau government in less than a decade has doubled the debt so later this
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fiscal year i think right around now actually the debt will have doubled and it's easy to say that
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but like we do with like the turkey dinner and stuff no no no picture all of the other governments
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like picture you know mcdonald laurier pearson diefenbaker harper the first trudeau you know
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sometimes you know mckenzie king like in some cases they were going through you know massive wars
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huge recessions depressions all of that picture all of those debts now double it
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that's what this trudeau government has done and so to show for it nothing nothing really but i know
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i know and i i hate getting like this because it makes people lose hope um don't lose hope folks
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there is a way to do this in fact even if they just went back to their projected spending
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for like 2021 2022 our budget would be balanced like they don't need to go crazy austerity you know
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as much as some people would like them to they could just simply balance it i know they could
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just simply balance it speaking personally um they could balance it just by going back to that
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projection and so there is hope there just doesn't seem to be a will right now um in this current
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administration an understanding of i guess what stephen harper understood is if you get out of the way
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of business you can even cut business taxes and those businesses become more profitable and ultimately
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will generate more money into the economy which helps pay down the debt and there's a real
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disconnect with these far left-wing governments that they don't understand that
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uh you you have to stop wringing money out of businesses so that they can spend money to make
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money to create jobs to create new taxpayers they just don't seem to understand that they don't and
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it's not hard to understand okay so back back when the ucp was campaigning a little while ago remember
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they were promising tax cuts for all albertans they do promise those are coming they say the income tax
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is coming and they're going to come out with a framework i think later this month and they said it
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should happen by budget which is february so that's good so all that to say is that's what
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caused me to go really deep into budgets and start looking at tax rates for companies for businesses
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and looking at comparing apples to apples looking at different provinces different different tax rates
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it's true in all of the cases i was able to see there might be some outliers out there but all the
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cases i was able to see when they reduced the business taxes the income from those business
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taxes went up right that sounds counterintuitive but exactly like you just explained because that
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attracts more businesses like more human beings start businesses because of the low tax rates and even
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with those low tax rates they then pay into that tax it was every time i checked in different
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jurisdictions based on the year based on the amount the income went up when the tax rate went down
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this does work money like that the businesses spend it they hire people who then pay income tax
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they buy equipment they're paying gst on the equipment they're paying gas tax on the equipment
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it it just has a knock a trickle down econ economics uh throughout the entire economy um and the left just
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sure doesn't like to admit that that sort of stuff works but it works everywhere the disconnect happens
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i think is that some people don't understand that productive people want to do stuff yes yes they
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don't just like scrooge mcduck their way through money yeah you know spitting gold coins out of
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their bills yeah swimming swimming in those little bags of cash like that that isn't what typically
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typically that is not what productive rich people do productive rich people do were the kid that were
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fidgeting in class they were always drawing or making something up or trying to you know shoot the
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teacher with an elastic or something like that they were they were mischievous they were curious they were
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innovating productive people like to do stuff and what happens when they get more money is they do
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stuff with that money like you said hiring people buying better equipment making their business more
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efficient expanding starting a new storefront etc and so this is how this works and so we're just
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hoping that eventually some administration will get this message and reduce taxes and let p get out of
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the way of people because man they folks are really struggling i i met a couple in red deer who works
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so hard he's a drywall or tradesman type person his wife works alongside of him they buy a house that's
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from the 40s or 50s and they got they got it down to the studs at the top level and they make it so
00:28:19.960
it's three bedrooms plus a new bathroom so it's easier for families to live in right and they barely make
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money doing it sheila they're so scared about being nailed with house flipping taxes and like
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now a threatened home equity tax and these capital gains taxes they're living in the garage
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they're literally camping out in the garage these two hard-working people driving an older truck like
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barely making it and then they work their butts off to renovate the house one at a time they own it
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they live in it but they're still so freaked out about being called house flippers or something
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like that by trudeau he's never actually you know pulled a wage in his whole life like it gets so
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frustrating and that was just one couple i'm sure there's millions of people in similar situations
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working that hard across canada and i'll never forget what the gentleman said to me the husband
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he said my parents worked really hard same sort of folks tradesman type bootstrap type but they
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always made the next step i can't see the next step that's hard and so we really need the government
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to balance the budget quit wasting money and scrap these taxes
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that sort of stuff smothers the economy because we need hard-working people like that to be able to
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take the risk they need to grow their business because if we don't have people like that renovating
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older houses there are no affordable houses no for those first single families trying to buy their
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house yep bingo yeah it's terrible uh chris how do people support the work that you do at the ctf
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because you guys don't even take favorable tax breaks no federal government so tell us how we can
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get involved and give you a hand yeah so we started back in 1990 uh by some prairie populists in
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alberta and saskatchewan who were mad at the gst um and so they were really smart and visionary and
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um we don't so we're not a charity we're a not-for-profit and yeah you're right we don't even
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give a tax receipt for donations because we don't want to have one would have as little government
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contact as possible we don't want to involve tax dollars as best we can um and so they can go to
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taxpayer.com and the best way through the door to get involved with us is to sign some of our
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petitions and this is the hope this is the good part about the whole story is that i love that
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because it gives people a sense of agency ownership and fellowship yes it lets you know you're not
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alone and so sign a petition that speaks to you do you want to defund the cbc do you want to stop
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giving government taxpayers money to media do you want to scrap the gun confiscation i know all of
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these things and i even have one in there for you sheila to take away the pst on thrift shop items in
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british columbia because i fervently believe that's an attack on the poor and i think it's more
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it's morally wrong yeah so we have all these petitions on there sign the ones that speak to
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you and then you're on our list you'll start getting our updates and we'll do calls to action
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if everybody email the politician now or everybody come out to a pub night right and so that's how they
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go go to taxpayer.com sign the petitions that are shiny to you and away we go it's great chris thanks
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so much for coming on the show um i hope to see you very soon and i think we will i know and i know
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i say this every week but i think it is important to say every week why because we get new viewers all
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the time and you people have to learn the rules but i want to acknowledge with every single show
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how important your opinions are to me i care about what you think about the work that we do here rebel
00:32:14.440
because without you without your support without you sharing our work without uh your financial
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contributions there really is no rebel news because we will never take a penny from justin trudeau
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to do the work that we do and like how could we ever hold him to account if we did but it's not just
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about justin trudeau it's about all levels of government so i give out my email address right now
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sheila at rebelnews.com if you've got a question or comment about my conversation with my friend chris
00:32:46.240
sims of the canadian taxpayers federation send it to me put gun show letters in the subject line
00:32:50.760
so i know why you're emailing me but don't let that be the bar for entry if you are watching a free
00:32:56.660
version of the show so clips whatever on youtube or rumble if you've shared those with your friends
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and i do appreciate if you do that because that's how we get more paid subscribers and they leave a
00:33:08.940
comment over there i frequently go and poke around on youtube and rumble for comments because i think
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if people are saying those things over there maybe you're thinking them too so send me an email
00:33:22.600
leave a comment might just end up right on air but sometimes i read emails that come to me for other
00:33:28.440
reasons for example i just got and responded to an email from somebody named claire and she was
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emailing me with a concern and so i thought maybe some of you people have the same concern so maybe i
00:33:44.400
i shouldn't just address this concern with claire but with everybody so claire writes to me hello
00:33:50.260
sheila i have emailed rebelnews several times to ask that you actually show the petition you were asking
00:33:55.780
people to sign okay first of all if you emailed us several times i'm sorry but uh we do get
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personally dozens sometimes a hundred emails a day and uh sometimes there are just not enough hours in
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the day to address them all i really do try there i would be responding to emails 24 hours of the day
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i have never received a reply and petition texts are still not shown
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why do you expect anyone to sign a petition they can't read i find this very annoying
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and do not appreciate the fact that this concern
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has never been addressed well claire you're getting it addressed right now
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could you please fix this issue and start providing the text of any petitions you post
00:34:42.980
thank you claire well claire and i sent an email back to claire saying we often receive dozens if
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not hundreds of emails a day however i'm not sure what you mean by not showing the text of the petition
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for example here's our latest petition against the appointment of christopher wells christopher wells is a
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radical sex extremist here in alberta and justin trudeau has subverted the will of the alberta electorate
00:35:14.000
because we elect our senators here and then the long-standing tradition is that the prime minister then appoints them
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but he has just gone completely around us and appointed his own sex activist instead of the
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senators and waiting as we call them and we ran a petition called not my senator
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not my senator dot com and if you go to not my senator dot com
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so i don't know what you're talking about claire maybe you're not following through to the url the
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the specific website that would create for every petition but it's there
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uh it says petition not my senator here's the text of the petition we demand that justin trudeau
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rescind his appointment of christopher wells to the senate if trudeau refuses to revoke his
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appointment then we the undersigned demand that all alberta elected officials should refuse to meet
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with wells or give him any legitimacy trudeau must respect democracy and then you can sign it there
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and uh at first i thought maybe this is an issue with how it looks on mobile versus desktop but i
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went to my phone and it it appears you know a little bit different but the text is still exactly the
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same so then i thought sheila keep looking maybe maybe claire is on to something let's not completely
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write off her concerns so then i went to a petition that i recently ran to double check
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and it's uh senator sellout dot com or dot ca and it is on the appointment of charles adler
00:36:56.360
a far left-wing extremist to the senate to represent manitoba charles adler continues to present him as a
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conservative while being the biggest trudeau fan boy alive and he's a sellout so if you look at where
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it says sign the petition on the website my petition is shame on senator sellout charles adler a former
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conservative commenter applied to justin trudeau to be a senator well trudeau just accepted his
00:37:29.100
application to become canada's newest senator after decades of deriding the senate as a corrupt
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institution a sewer and a barn that needed to burn down he became one of the sewer dwellers he so
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previously despised charles adler is a sellout he should step aside if you agree please sign the
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petition right here on this page to tell senator sellout to do just that and so uh that petition is
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also the text of the petition is right there so maybe i don't know claire if you're not looking in
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the right place but i also attached a screenshot there of how it looked on my phone just just not
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to prove a point but just to i don't know maybe claire needed help on where to look so um if some of
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you are having that same problem uh hopefully that addressed your questions there too but we do
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we don't want you signing something that you don't know what you're signing we want you to be well aware
00:38:30.960
of what the petition says before you throw your name behind it and so it's it's clear there are no
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tricks that's the petition you sign it and we will deliver it that's the most important part of the
00:38:47.160
petition it's not collecting the names it's making sure the person whom the petition is directed at
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is shown how many people are in favor of the petition so but and our petitions aren't always
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negative for example our stop stop classroom grooming petition not only is it targeted at people
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who are pro classroom grooming nilly caplan mirth of the ottawa carlton district school board i'm looking
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at you but i also went to saskatchewan and delivered it to their education minister after he took a strong
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stance in support of parents rights because we wanted to show him not just how many people are against
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classroom grooming but in support of his actions to defend the rights of parents got it okay great well
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everybody that's the show for tonight thank you so much for tuning in i'll see everybody back here
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in the same time in the same place next week and as always don't let the government tell you that