SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Nova Scotians tell Trudeau： 'Take your carbon tax and shove it!'
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On today's show, we discuss the stunning defeat of the Trudeau Liberals in the Nova Scotia election, and the message it sent to the federal Liberals about their carbon tax and the carbon tax rebate. We're joined by Chris Sims of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation to talk all about it.
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A lot of economists have been talking about the vibe session and the fact that Canadians just aren't feeling good
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and that that is having real economic consequences.
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And the Canadian economists making that point are right.
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Well, there you have it from the woman in charge of the Canadian economy, Chrystia Freeland.
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It's not the government picking your pocket and taking more in the form of taxes and levies than ever before,
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leaving you struggling to pay your bills, cover your mortgage, feed your kids,
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and maybe have a little leftover for some fun and recreation at the end of it all,
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and maybe put away a dollar or two for a rainy day.
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Oh, no, your problem is not big government robbing you every step of the way.
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Is it any wonder that the Canadian economy is in a death spiral right now?
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You know, if this is the people we have in charge and Justin Trudeau thinks that she's the woman for the job.
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Joining me to discuss this, the Nova Scotia election and the message it sent to the federal liberals about the carbon tax
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and the carbon tax rebate, maybe, sort of, kind of, that Canadians will be getting very soon
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is my friend Chris Sims of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.
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So joining me now is a good friend of the show and my dear friend Chris Sims,
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the Alberta Director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.
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We're recording this on Wednesday morning and on Tuesday night.
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Huge election victory in Nova Scotia for Tim Houston's progressive conservatives.
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And I think it was not just a win for Tim Houston,
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but an absolute, complete rejection of the Trudeau liberals and their carbon tax.
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And that is evidence in the complete collapse of the Nova Scotia Liberal Party.
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This was a really good indicator that even places like Atlanta, Canada, or the Maritimes,
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they're kind of distinct areas, depending on your terminology, are rejecting the carbon tax.
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And one of the reasons I was really heartened to see that, particularly in Nova Scotia,
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I've got a lot of family there, a lot of roots there, they date back to the 1700s,
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In that, quite often, especially with the older set, you're kind of born into a party.
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It's totally alien to most of us out here out West.
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But there, not always, but especially among the older set in Nova Scotia,
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you were either born into a Liberal, because your father was a Liberal and his father was a Liberal.
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Same thing with the Tories, because your father was a Tory and his father was a Tory.
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Also, as a taxpayer federation representative, I was really heartened,
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because, of course, a huge chunk of Nova Scotians have gotten a suspension on their home heating oil fuel tax.
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So, the Trudeau government has put in a three-year moratorium on charging its carbon tax against furnace oil.
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Now, furnace oil is almost exclusively used in the province of Nova Scotia.
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So, they're still paying through the nose of the pump, yeah, for gasoline and diesel.
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But they didn't buy the whole payoff of like, oh, well, you know, we're preview from your home heating.
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And we think that the carbon tax played a huge factor in this.
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And so, we're definitely going to keep holding that provincial government to account, though.
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Like, there can't be any funny business about a cap in trade.
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They have to make sure their budgets are balanced.
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They have to do all the right things from the CTF perspective.
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But we're taking that as a win, as a rejection of the carbon tax.
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Yeah, I looked at the abacus data top issues for Nova Scotians heading into the election.
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And two of the top four involved the carbon tax.
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So, over two-thirds were concerned about making life more affordable.
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So, the other two were the perennial fixing health care.
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And then the other one was improving housing and reducing homelessness.
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But also, we know that, you know, affordability factors into homelessness as much as mental health and addiction does.
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So, really, three of the top four are touched by carbon tax in Nova Scotia.
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I just saw some, I honestly can't even remember his name.
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Some member of parliament in the Lower Mainland with the Trudeau government who's paid,
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by the way, backbenchers in Ottawa are paid $200,000 per year, plus pretty much all of their expenses are paid.
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Like, their rent is paid, their travel is paid.
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So, what I found interesting is he thought he was dunking on the idea of scrapping the carbon tax of,
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oh, you get more back than you pay in, which is such a canard.
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Like, anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that you can't give the government a 20 and expect a 50 back at no cost to you.
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The thing here, though, is that he was missing the point.
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He was only thinking about physically filling up your own vehicle with gasoline at the gas pump and not the farmer paying the carbon tax,
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the trucker paying the carbon tax, and all of that layer cake from hell that is the carbon tax that is baked into your everyday expenses,
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So, yeah, with all those polls saying that things like taxes, affordability, those elements,
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they're all intertwined with this federal carbon tax.
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And Nova Scotians have a right to be super ticked off.
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Because before this carbon tax was imposed upon them by the Trudeau government, by Ottawa,
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they had met their targets without a carbon tax.
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I think it was one or two cents per litre for gasoline in their own provincial form.
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But that wasn't good enough for the Trudeau government.
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They bigfooted them anyway with this punishing federal carbon tax.
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So they've really kind of, I hope, voters are paying close attention and they've learned their lesson
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They just want to control you and take your money.
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Well, and as you say, it is about controlling you and taking your money.
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Because if it were about global emissions, maybe Justin Trudeau wouldn't tell you,
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Excuse me, I'm jetting off to Brazil to become the keynote speaker,
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if that's what he was, at the Global Citizen Summit.
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So I watched this, so you don't have to, dear listener.
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He was one of many world leaders that schlepped onto the stage in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
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I honestly can't even remember what the summit was called.
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But on the stage, it had these gigantic lights that says Global Citizen.
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If there were such a thing, I don't know, the Babylon Bee couldn't make fun of this
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And so Trudeau flew down there, burning jet fuel, sat on stage to wax philosophic about
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the carbon tax and about global warming and about emissions and up with peopledom and all
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And I listened to him twice because I had to get the clips.
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But in all seriousness, what blew my mind was he was asked, of course, about, you know,
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And what's super weird is that he seems to forget what he said back in like 2015, 2016
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in Toulomba en Parle, that big talk show out of Quebec, when I paraphrase, he basically
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said, we emit so little, about 1.5% of global emissions, that Canada could cease to exist
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And we wouldn't make a big dent in global emissions.
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Even if Canada stopped heating our homes and growing food and taking our kids to school
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and running our lights, it wouldn't make a dent in global emissions.
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He actually started really getting up on his own talking points, kind of.
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Like, we know when people are in an affordability crisis, and they're in survival mode, and they
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just need to hunker down, and they're worried about feeding their kids and paying
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their rent, that they can put the environment, paying the carbon tax, on the back burner.
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He kept repeating that, like, out loud with his face.
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So, translation, Sheila, and all of your wonderful listeners, the Prime Minister of Canada, who,
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by the way, was born wealthy, born rich, literally on Christmas Day, raised in a mansion at 24 Sussex,
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who has never had to even wonder where his rent is coming from, or where his next bill payment
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He actually said, feeding your kids and making your rent should be lower in priority for you,
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But this stuff just doesn't seem to stick to this guy.
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The challenge we're facing right now is that the direct pressures on individuals and households,
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the affordability crisis, being kicked in the teeth by inflation around the world over the past few years,
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the concerns around the rapid pace of change, the instabilities we're seeing, the shifting geopolitics,
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the disruptions of the supply chain, have a lot of individual citizens, voters, families,
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really worried that they're not able to make ends meet.
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And it's really, really easy when you're in a short-term survive.
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I've got to be able to pay the rent this month.
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I've got to be able to buy groceries for my kids to say,
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OK, let's put climate change as a slightly lower priority.
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When the storm comes, you want to hunker down and just sort of huddle up and wait for it to blow over.
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And unfortunately, we have an awful lot of political amplification of the kind of narrative that is directly opposed to that.
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It's, you know, some very, very profitable oil and gas companies and entrenched interests
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that very much want people to, you know, put in opposition affordability and the fight against climate change.
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And that's really the challenge we have to take on.
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Everyone sort of understands, oh, yes, we need to grow an economy and protect the environment at the same time.
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But when it comes to putting dollars in pockets for people,
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they don't want to hear about, oh, if they, you know, if they just, you know, pay a little more for an electric car,
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They can't pay a little more for an electric car right now.
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There's a sense that affordability is in direct contrast with our moral responsibility to protect the planet.
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And that is something that, unfortunately, people have been amplified and used propaganda, misinformation, disinformation,
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and flat out lies to scare people into saying, oh, no, no, no, no, we got to take care of our household budget and bottom line first and environment second.
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And that's one of the things that we've really tried to tackle in Canada,
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because ultimately, even as we talk about global collective action and responsibility,
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we have a first primary responsibility to citizens in our own countries,
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because if they're not on board with us stepping up to fight climate change, both at home and around the world,
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they will withdraw political support from parties that are focused on doing that.
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I think people are seeing through the mainstream media and the liberal rhetoric on this,
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because at the end of the day, you have less money in your bank account,
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You cannot, as you say, give 20 bucks to the government,
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and they're going to give you back 50 while creating nothing and cycling it through the hands of 100 bureaucrats
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I think people are finally, I think, I think us Albertans, we figured it out a long time ago.
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I think the other parts of the country are finally catching up.
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Chrystia Freeland, though, she says, it's not, you're not really experiencing a recession.
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You know, it's not that you have less money in your bank account than ever before.
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A lot of economists have been talking about the vibe session,
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and the fact that Canadians just aren't feeling good,
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and that that is having real economic consequences.
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And the Canadian economists making that point are right.
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If we have a big thinker like that in charge of the economy,
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it's by the grace of God things are not worse, and things are bad already.
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If anybody's sitting there late at night, like Plato, just sitting there thinking,
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how it is that this government has managed to double the debt in nine years' time,
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it's because our finance minister of a G7 country says stuff like,
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I think she said it three times in that little press conference she gave.
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Like, this is, so, this is what, this means, Sheila, that they focus grouped this.
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In my conspiracy side of my brain, I'm like, Mark Carney told her to say that,
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to sabotage her because he wants to leave the Liberal Party,
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and he wants to make sure that she doesn't even stand a chance in a leadership review.
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Honestly, dude, go do banker stuff or something.
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So, this isn't the first absolutely absurd thing that this government has said.
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Remember, we were all promised that they would grow the economy from the heart outwards.
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And that we were in a, I'm trying to remember exactly what Trudeau said.
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Our finance minister, our prime minister are saying these things.
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And the reason why it's so incredibly frustrating is because it's so obvious that they don't get it.
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And this finance minister, Sheila, I must stress, Krista Freeland has never balanced the budget.
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I'm hearing, because our fiscal update is late as of this taping.
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I'm hearing that the deficit is going to be closer to $50 billion with a fee.
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So it's no wonder that we've got a doubled national debt because we've got the finance minister saying silly, silly things.
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Can you pay your Disney Plus subscription in vibes?
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I'll find somebody who watches Disney and I'll get them in vibes.
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You know, and it's just so insulting, like, as a woman, to hear them say stuff like she session and she covery.
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Well, this she doesn't like paying 30% more for groceries because we've got a bunch of idiots in charge in Ottawa.
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And, you know, Freeland, the last time she was in charge of something, besides our country's economy, which is chilling, she was the head of Reuters Next.
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And there is no such thing as Reuters Next anymore because they put Krista Freeland in charge of it.
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And so Justin Trudeau saw her and thought, that's the one.
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Remember when we were warned that he would run this?
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So this is one of our T-shirts, Shameless Self-Promotion.
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So remember when we were warned that Trudeau would run little itty bitty deficits?
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They're saying, good gracious, Canadians, can't you take your pittance?
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Saying it'll save us 200 plus dollars or something like that.
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But let's not overstate the value of this nonsense right now.
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So I wanted to start with the good news because I think it's my duty to do that.
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It's always a good thing when people get more of their own money back.
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We are seeing so many emails, Sheila, of people who are just tooth and nail.
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They're crushed under the weight of government.
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And so I will never begrudge those folks getting, they're supposed to be getting 250 bucks in
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February, like as a payment on top of them suspending the GST on groceries and essentials.
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So I will never sniff at them getting their money back, even if it's 250 bucks that can
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buy you a decent chunk of groceries that can, you can throw that down on your heat bill.
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The problem here is it is too little and it's way too short and it's really short notice.
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One, it sounds like the feds did not get the provinces completely on board with this to
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the point where the newly elected premier of New Brunswick apparently was barely consulted
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So for those of us in the blessed land of Alberta, this is something foreign.
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So say you have a sales tax provincially in New Brunswick and you have the federal sales
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In places like New Brunswick, they harmonized it.
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So it's now called the HST in places like New Brunswick.
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When I lived in Nova Scotia, it was disgusting.
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Um, so in places like New Brunswick though, it was interesting because the premier, newly
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elected premier there was saying, um, what about the provincial portion?
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Like, are you saying this is now just a hole you're blowing in my budget?
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And apparently the answer from Ottawa was, um, well, yeah, maybe.
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And like, we, we rang on about bureaucrats and I still will.
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They get paid too much, all that stuff, yada, yada.
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There are occasionally within departments, adults in the room.
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It has to, otherwise like the lights wouldn't stay on.
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What blew my mind is that the adults in the room in finance and in treasury weren't on
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How is it that they didn't work this out completely with places like New Brunswick?
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And what I heard from folks who are still in Ottawa is that the bureaucrats were freaking
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So this is a schmozzle even within the liberal government, within the Trudeau government in
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Ottawa, between the kratts and the politicos that are like, hey, everything's expensive.
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Two, two, GST isn't applied to most grocery items.
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No, not to generalize, but us moms who do the big grocery shopping, we know this.
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So I know that if I'm super rushed and I'm super busy and I have a little bit of extra
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money, I will cut corners and I will buy my kids that cut up fruit tray.
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You pay GST on that because of the work and the labor and the additives that have gone into
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You know, they've rinsed it in lemon juice, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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There's a whole bunch of things that have to go into food.
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Processed to make it processed, even though it's fresh fruit.
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So you pay that same thing with, I believe, if it's seasoned rotisserie chicken, you'll
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If it's super convenient and out of the box and it's been processed in a way, you're typically
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The hilarious thing, Sheila, is that if you look in the background of Trudeau's announcement
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with Christia Freeland, where he's like, no GST for two whole months.
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And you look in the back, there's bread, there's big honking bags of pasta, there's
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peanut butter, like stuff you don't pay GST on now.
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And so it's just, no, Trudeau doesn't pay for his groceries.
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The health goes and buys it and then we pay for it.
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But this, I'm going to give free advice to any person wanting to go into politics.
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I don't care if you're running with the blue team or the red team or whatever.
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Always understand how much a jug of milk costs.
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It was one of the best pieces of advice that the late, great former Prime Minister Margaret
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She made sure all of her cabinet ministers knew how much a jug of milk costs.
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Because if you don't, you wind up doing stuff like that.
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The other element, there's three other, two other elements.
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Third element is that the retailers are apparently flipping out too.
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Because now they're worried that everybody's going to hold their gift buying until after
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And the other element is apparently they've left out most of the seniors.
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We are getting inundated with email from senior citizens saying,
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um, why am I not getting a $250 check coming up in February?
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What was hilarious, did you see the response from the Liberals in question period yesterday
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Uh, I saw, uh, a clip from Brian Pastafoom, who I really enjoy.
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Canada's tourism minister insists the $250 checks are only for working people and that
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the Liberals have already done just lots to help the seniors.
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We've done a great deal for seniors and will continue to work hard to protect vulnerable
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The $250 check is to support people who are working.
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It's a way of showing government support and it's a way of telling workers that we see them.
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The legislation we introduced last week is a GST holiday.
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Don't ever suggest that they're asking for too much than you're able to give.
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Work out your comms and don't anger those folks because number one, a lot of them are still
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And number two, they're the ones that pay attention a lot and they vote.
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They're like the unpaid actual Roman senators that sit back and watch what's going on.
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And we know it just as a purely political theater watcher.
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It's amazing that they left seniors out of this.
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They were like, oh, dang, we're plummeting the polls.
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We're going to we're headed for a wipe out in Nova Scotia.
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And I think they didn't think about the rest of it.
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They didn't think about the economic implications for retailers in the lead up to Christmas.
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They really didn't think about I was going to say the fine details, but I think any of
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And, you know, at the end of the day, this is an acknowledgement that Canadians have too
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high of a tax burden and the GST is part of that.
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The first thing they can and should do is cancel the carbon tax.
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And then we can start working on actually reducing the GST permanently and for a long time.
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The carbon tax is really a sales tax on just generally being alive in this country.
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A production and sales tax on being alive in this country.
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It's cumulative, added every step along the way of the supply chain.
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Now, before I let you go, because I know you have a radio hit to do, give us a quick rundown
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on Alberta's challenge to the federal government's emissions cap.
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Oh, we're fully in favor of Premier Daniel Smith putting the boots to Prime Minister Justin
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Trudeau's government to defend our energy industry, mostly because this will severely
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And we are tired of Alberta being treated like this.
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And it's very similar, we believe, to the No More Pipelines law.
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And we are fully in support of the Premier fighting them like this.
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When you work it out, it actually winds up being kind of like a fourth really heavy carbon tax
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when they do an emissions cap or a production cap, which is really what this is.
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It's a production cap on our lifeblood, which is energy.
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So, yeah, it's definitely something that we support the Premier for doing.
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Yeah, it's a cap on Alberta jobs, which will only drive up the cost of fossil fuel energy
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Chris, I know I have to let you go, but please tell us how people can support the incredible
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All joking aside, you can get shirts like this.
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We have some funny stop the gun grab ones that you can get there, too.
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The most important thing, though, is to sign the petitions that speak to you, that you
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So, scrap the carbon tax, defund the CBC, that sort of stuff.
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If it means something to you, sign that petition.
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And the next time it's time to make a politician's life a little bit more miserable and send them
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thousands and thousands and thousands of emails and make them think a little bit harder,
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Thanks so much for advocating for just normal Canadian families like mine and like thousands
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We just admire and appreciate the work that you do.
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Well, we've come to the portion of the show wherein, as always, I invite your viewer feedback
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Today's comments actually come by way of rumble comments, not on the show, but on a video that I did
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calling on the firing from the Liberal cabinet and then the resignation in shame of Liberal MP
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Randy Coquahontas Boissoneau for his many, many, many scandals, including faking Indigenous heritage.
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If you want to learn more about that and sign the petition, go to firerandy.com and there you'll
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Connie Marie 123 says, Trudeau never paid for a meal in the last nine years.
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He has said that people should care more about climate than feeding our children.
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Trudeau has completely lost his mind to say that to the parents.
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That, you know, people are struggling, people are hunkered down, and yet it's the most important
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thing that we do to pay a carbon tax so that Justin Trudeau can go to Brazil on a vanity
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He doesn't believe anything about carbon emissions either.
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If he did, that would have been a Zoom call, right?
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Anyway, this is the mixed priorities of these people.
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They don't understand how the other half lives at all.
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Sam Hill 613 says, Randy, that's Randy Boissoneau, is the Edmonton version of Buffy St. Marie, a
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Now, for those of you who don't know, Buffy St. Marie, Barbara Santa Maria, if you go by
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her birth name, is a woman who masqueraded as Indigenous for her entire career, unbelievably,
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she helped develop the Cree language curriculum in Saskatchewan, except all of it was untrue.
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And I think it was CBC that was her undoing, which is only fair because they're the reason
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She was on Sesame Street saying, like, I'm a real Indian, not like one of those fake ones
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Instead, she was just like a regular old white lady from the eastern seaboard.
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If an Italian woman, yeah, Beverly Santa Maria, can be a native singer for decades, then Boissoneau
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can identify as a Cree, a green energy entrepreneur.
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We have men pretending to be women for scholarships and everything else.
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I feel in my bones, I'm a woman, as if he would ever know what that feels like.
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But if men can identify as women, why are we protecting this class of indigeneity?
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Either we believe in reality, which I do, or we don't believe in reality at all.
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And you can just identify based on your feelings.
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And I think the progressive have, they have to sort this stuff out.
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Randy is not the only fake liberal indigenous person this week.
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I think there's a by-election in BC where the local Métis nation has distanced themselves
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from the liberal candidate there because they're like, we talked to her and she can produce
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Like if you think that being a woman is a feeling, then why isn't everything else a feeling?
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Why isn't your cultural heritage a feeling as well?
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Because if that's biologically encoded, I believe this might be biologically encoded also.
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They need to figure out what's going on because their ideology does not make any sense.
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That's a few questions, queries, comments from you guys.
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