Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Olympic Heptathlete and Kinesiologist Linda Blade： Women's Sports Under Attack By Radical Gender Activists

00:00:00.800 Oh hey guys, it's Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're listening to a free audio-only recording of

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00:00:23.620 Now, tonight my guest is someone whom I have been dying to talk to because I have a daughter

00:00:30.780 in contact sports.

00:00:32.520 It's Linda Blade.

00:00:34.120 She co-authored the new book, Unsporting, How Trans Activism and Science Denial Are Destroying

00:00:40.360 Sport.

00:00:40.940 She co-authored this book with everybody's favorite Jewish grandma, Barbara Kay.

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00:01:53.140 Are we watching the slow demise of women's sports?

00:01:56.160 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:02:06.060 At this summer's Olympics, a genetic male will likely take home a gold in women's weightlifting.

00:02:12.700 It's not bigoted or intolerant to simply state the biological reality that human bodies,

00:02:20.780 which have experienced male testosterone-inspired puberty, carry more muscle mass, have greater

00:02:27.660 bone density, they have larger hearts inside their chests, and that leads to stronger cardiovascular

00:02:33.420 systems.

00:02:34.280 It's the reason female-born athletes who take testosterone were once considered guilty 0.97

00:02:40.600 of unfair doping, because it's cheating.

00:02:44.580 Testosterone is a performance-enhancing substance.

00:02:48.120 This is simple science.

00:02:51.140 And to deny it by allowing transgender, female-identifying competitors to compete with or against biological 0.99

00:02:59.240 women is to rob these female athletes of their work, their accomplishments, and future opportunities 1.00

00:03:05.000 that come from their success.

00:03:06.740 But it's happening right now in mixed martial arts, in cycling, weightlifting, even contact

00:03:12.620 sports.

00:03:13.660 Male-born competitors are stealing accolades and endangering the women they are competing 1.00

00:03:19.080 against.

00:03:19.780 But if you say these things, you risk being cancelled, fired, or losing funding for your

00:03:26.920 sport. 0.94

00:03:27.600 You're damned if you do speak up, and, well, damned if you don't.

00:03:32.220 That's why my guest tonight is so, so very brave. 0.58

00:03:36.560 As a career athlete and coach, Olympian and kinesiologist Linda Blade saw exactly what was

00:03:45.200 happening to women's sports, and she saw what was coming on the horizon, and she had to speak

00:03:50.060 up, regardless of the consequences to her, before it was too late.

00:03:54.600 So she co-authored the new book, Unsporting, How Trans Activism and Science Denial Are Destroying

00:04:01.820 Sport, with columnist Barbara Kay.

00:04:05.620 Linda joins me in an interview we recorded yesterday morning to discuss the future of women's sport,

00:04:13.820 if any, and to offer a way forward in which all athletes are able to compete on a level

00:04:21.400 playing field.

00:04:29.380 So joining me now from BC, Linda's taking the time to, while she's on vacation to talk with

00:04:35.780 me, is Linda Blade.

00:04:37.840 And Linda, I wanted to have you on the show for, well, for me, for personal reasons.

00:04:43.300 But I think what are personal reasons for me are the same reasons that a lot of other

00:04:48.600 mothers really appreciate your brand new book that you co-authored with Barbara Kaye.

00:04:54.700 It's called Unsporting, How Trans Activism and Science Denial Are Destroying Sports. 1.00

00:04:59.680 And I'm proud to say that we at Rebel News are the publishers of your book.

00:05:03.680 Now, Linda, for people who don't know you, I know who you are, and you've sort of been on

00:05:11.780 my radar since, I think, about 2009.

00:05:15.100 Really?

00:05:16.020 Yeah.

00:05:17.160 But for people who don't know who you are, tell us a little bit about your background.

00:05:22.980 Yes, I was on Team Canada as a track and field athlete in the event called Heptathlon, which

00:05:31.600 is combined events, just like men's decathlon.

00:05:34.740 I retired in sort of late 80s, early 90s.

00:05:39.000 Then I went to university, got my PhD in sports sciences, kinesiology, then became a coach.

00:05:45.220 And I've coached athletes in about 17 different sports across the board on their fundamental

00:05:51.080 movement skills and helping them to become better athletes.

00:05:55.860 I've even coached some Olympic gold medalists, Jamie Saleh and David Peltier in the figure

00:06:00.620 skating.

00:06:02.380 And so by 2014, I became the elected president of Athletics Alberta, which is the Alberta Track

00:06:09.900 and Field Association.

00:06:10.860 And so since that time, I've been entering this whole bewildering world of policy, sport

00:06:17.040 policy at the national level.

00:06:19.200 And that's, you know, we can talk about that.

00:06:22.300 Sure.

00:06:23.400 I guess that moves us into why did you write this book?

00:06:28.340 Like, why was this necessary?

00:06:30.200 I'm very glad you did.

00:06:32.080 But what prompted you to write this book?

00:06:34.720 And I guess, you know, even just voicing an opinion on these subjects can end up with

00:06:41.700 you being canceled.

00:06:42.700 Your career's basically over for a lot of people who go against the narrative.

00:06:47.000 But you took a step beyond just saying, hey, I've got some issues with this.

00:06:52.120 But you wrote a book.

00:06:53.160 You put your ideas to paper.

00:06:56.100 Well, it's precisely because of the canceling that I wrote this book.

00:06:59.580 This is the book again.

00:07:01.300 I'll show it again.

00:07:02.720 You can get it on unsporting.com.

00:07:05.660 I wrote this book precisely because when I raised the issue that I was concerned about

00:07:11.220 male bodies entering women's sports for safety reasons, obviously, and contact sports, and 0.62

00:07:17.780 for fairness reasons, I was basically shunned.

00:07:21.120 And, you know, it's that strange feeling around the table that you're not supposed to be saying

00:07:24.600 something.

00:07:25.040 And when somebody, you know, when I get that feeling, I realize something's terribly wrong,

00:07:31.580 especially when it's such an obvious issue.

00:07:33.680 And I just committed to speaking out as much as I could before it was too late.

00:07:38.640 Because really, if the rules of sport change to the point where somebody could be even in

00:07:43.660 prison by saying the wrong thing about males in sport, I need to say this quickly before

00:07:49.140 things get that bad.

00:07:50.900 Now, what were some of the responses when you first started raising concerns about, as

00:07:57.820 you say, male bodies in women's sports? 1.00

00:08:00.000 Because you don't come at this at all from really an activist viewpoint whatsoever.

00:08:06.360 You come at this from an issue of fairness and science based on your own science background.

00:08:12.200 Your background is in how the human body works.

00:08:16.500 And so you have a very unique perspective on this, but yet you were treated as something

00:08:21.840 less than an expert when you raised these, I guess, dissenting opinions.

00:08:28.420 Yes.

00:08:28.980 Well, because I am president of an association, I realized that it's our governing, my governance

00:08:36.140 colleagues who are in governance, sport governance, that if we don't set the right policy, it's

00:08:41.680 going to not just ruin sport for women and girls.

00:08:43.720 It's going to ruin sport for everybody because imagine if there's a parent or volunteer, an

00:08:50.040 official, most of our people at ground level, Sheila, are just volunteers.

00:08:54.900 And if we don't protect them and give them the right to distinguish what the rules are,

00:08:59.700 distinguish between male and female on the field or on the track, we put them at risk 0.89

00:09:05.700 and then they feel uncomfortable and our volunteer class could just walk away and we would actually

00:09:11.100 have no capacity to conduct sport at ground level, which is going to hurt the boys and

00:09:16.960 the girls.

00:09:18.060 And so I just felt like this was actually an existential threat to sport.

00:09:22.720 And if I get canceled, you know, Sheila, I've had my turn.

00:09:26.840 So I immediately saw that I'm of the age, you know, I'm almost six years of age.

00:09:31.800 I've actually had my turn.

00:09:33.500 I've been an athlete.

00:09:34.700 I've been on national teams.

00:09:36.480 I've been a coach, enjoyed coaching.

00:09:39.160 I've been in governance.

00:09:40.480 You know what?

00:09:41.220 If they cancel me now, I guess that's the price.

00:09:44.040 It's not a big price for me to pay, at least in terms of my career.

00:09:48.760 And I just felt like I was in a really pretty good position to make this argument without

00:09:53.200 a huge deal of threat to my, you know, my life and my career.

00:09:58.340 And I guess so, if not me, who?

00:10:00.960 I guess that's really the question I was asking myself.

00:10:04.720 And so around those policymaking tables, what was some of the pushback that you were hearing?

00:10:12.640 Yeah.

00:10:13.300 First of all, the activist pushback is these aren't men.

00:10:17.160 They're really females inside a male body. 1.00

00:10:19.720 That's just utterly ridiculous. 0.93

00:10:21.680 You know, I mean, it may be true that somebody really honestly, fervently believes that they 0.97

00:10:26.800 have grown up with a male body with all the advantages and really secretly inside they

00:10:30.860 are female.

00:10:31.400 If they believe that, that's fine.

00:10:33.020 But we compete with our bodies.

00:10:34.580 We don't compete with our identities.

00:10:36.740 So it's really not even my business, Sheila.

00:10:39.160 Like, it's not our business what somebody believes about themselves.

00:10:41.880 We don't classify sport on the basis of belief.

00:10:45.020 Like, otherwise, we would say, okay, if you're this religion, you compete in that category, 0.99

00:10:49.840 another religion, or if you actually have, you know, a political party, you go over there

00:10:54.520 and this other political party, you race over here.

00:10:57.620 We do not compete on the basis of our ideologies.

00:11:01.180 I mean, the beauty of sport is that, you know, we can put that baggage aside.

00:11:05.360 But so that's like the one thing that I was getting at, that it's not, even if you're

00:11:09.640 really a female inside, I mean, it's not my business. 0.60

00:11:12.420 You have a male body.

00:11:13.560 Second thing is, the people around the table were frightened.

00:11:17.320 I could tell from the looks on their faces that they were ignoring me and shunning me

00:11:21.260 because they didn't want me to go there.

00:11:23.140 Don't go there.

00:11:23.960 It might hurt our funding.

00:11:26.780 It might cause, you know, our sport to be, you know, somehow demeaned or maligned by activists.

00:11:35.340 Maybe we might not be in line with what the government wants us to think.

00:11:40.460 So there was a lot of fear, I think, around the table.

00:11:44.620 Most of my colleagues were males, like at the top of the sport decision-making process.

00:11:49.300 And, you know, I have noticed, I can't help but notice that a lot of times, because they're

00:11:55.140 men, they just don't get the threat that it feels to be a woman and feel this, like, what

00:12:01.480 happens if a man comes into our, you know, safe space and our single sex space.

00:12:06.360 And I mean, I'm not, you know, I've never been an activist.

00:12:10.020 I've just been a coach.

00:12:11.420 I just realized that there was something terribly wrong.

00:12:13.860 And they were afraid, afraid when people are afraid, there's something going on.

00:12:19.700 Yeah, I suppose they were afraid of being canceled.

00:12:22.920 And you really weren't.

00:12:24.680 No, I didn't care about that.

00:12:26.800 But maybe I should.

00:12:27.720 But I mean, it's so much bigger than that, you know, and I think they were afraid that

00:12:33.360 they wouldn't get funding for the sport.

00:12:34.900 If we don't get funding for our sports in Canada, we're really not.

00:12:39.000 It's also an existential threat.

00:12:40.960 So I'm saying an existential threat from the purpose, from the point of policy and ground

00:12:45.760 level.

00:12:46.280 And they're thinking as existential threat from the top, from the minister, from, you know,

00:12:51.320 where they get their funding, the quiet cancellation that happens when you just don't get the grant.

00:12:56.720 Right.

00:12:56.800 And I don't, I can't blame them actually, if you're feeling like that, but I feel like you

00:13:00.780 have to balance those threats and protect sport as best we can.

00:13:06.320 Now, I want to talk to you a little bit about the science of it all, because a lot of the

00:13:11.840 pushback that we hear from the activists on the other side, because truly that's what it

00:13:17.360 is activism on the other side, whereas, you know, you take a, we're just trying to protect.

00:13:23.400 Yeah.

00:13:23.820 You take a fairness viewpoint of it, but on the other side, they do try to argue the science

00:13:28.260 and they say, well, for example, uh, with the case of like Fallon Fox, um, they will argue that

00:13:35.320 even though, uh, Fox has gone through male puberty carries male muscle muscle mass has male bone

00:13:44.260 density, the fact that this person is now taking estrogen to suppress, uh, their male hormone

00:13:50.340 hormones, that, that somehow equals the playing field.

00:13:54.660 Um, yeah.

00:13:55.840 How do we argue against that?

00:13:58.100 Well, um, that goes straight to the, uh, into the, um, responsibility of the international

00:14:05.120 Olympic committee.

00:14:06.500 Um, because in 2015, the international Olympic committee bought the lie.

00:14:11.040 In fact, perpetrated the lie that if a male, a grown adult male athlete takes, you know,

00:14:17.180 reduces their testosterone level, that that somehow brings that the level, the playing

00:14:22.300 field level to the female level, which is just absolutely not true.

00:14:26.720 The IOC themselves, um, have for years expected solid scientific evidence for any new policy they

00:14:34.600 make.

00:14:34.880 But on this case, immediately, they just went with the, with the culture and with the activists

00:14:41.220 and, and without studying anything just said, yeah, you take hormones.

00:14:45.860 Yeah.

00:14:46.000 You're going to be the same as women. 1.00

00:14:47.080 But in fact, there have been 13 scientific studies, uh, that measure hormone, like the

00:14:53.080 performance levels and muscle muscle strength in males before they transition.

00:14:57.420 And then after they take the hormone like reduction, uh, uh, hormone replacement therapy, and in

00:15:04.560 every single one of those cases, the advantage that they have, the male advantage and strength

00:15:09.220 and many other variables has not diminished, has not diminished appreciably.

00:15:14.100 There is no evidence that it brings the male body into even level playing field with the 0.97

00:15:19.720 female.

00:15:20.160 And we're not, listen, Sheila, female bodies are not just male minus the hormones, right?

00:15:25.980 I mean, you cannot, you cannot reduce, even if you take like change the substances in your

00:15:31.600 blood, it's not going to make your heart smaller.

00:15:34.140 It's not going to make your lungs smaller.

00:15:35.900 It's not going to diminish the size of your limbs, like your limb length and your height.

00:15:40.100 You're not suddenly going to be shorter.

00:15:42.100 I mean, you're not going to change the entire structure to look like a female. 1.00

00:15:46.260 It just doesn't happen.

00:15:47.380 That logically this could not be true.

00:15:51.280 And so that was like the first lie.

00:15:53.300 The first lie is that hormones level the playing field.

00:15:55.340 The second, second lie, Sheila, was that the IOC literally said, the medical commission

00:16:00.320 said, well, there's not going to really be that many transitioning.

00:16:03.780 Just let a few into women's sports, you know, it's not going to make a big difference. 1.00

00:16:08.300 And we are seeing now that that's absolutely not true because society is championing this

00:16:13.900 some, for some reason, this movement has become popular.

00:16:17.680 A lot of males are self-identifying into women's sports.

00:16:21.080 And if you just take just even the two high school runners from Connecticut, between the

00:16:26.460 two of them for three years competing in the female high school division, they took 15 state 0.93

00:16:31.740 records and they caused about 85 girls to miss opportunities. 1.00

00:16:36.720 Just two of them.

00:16:37.820 And if you have like Laurel Hubbard, for example, and now in the Olympics and women's weightlifting

00:16:42.520 was the New Zealand male who transitioned at 35 and now in the Olympics.

00:16:46.320 If just think about it, no matter what medal he gets, he, she, whatever medal he gets, then

00:16:55.360 the person, everybody below him drops a notch.

00:16:59.500 So it does affect every single person in that field.

00:17:02.160 And it means that some woman in the world didn't get to compete because it's not an endless, 0.98

00:17:07.160 you know, unlimited number in the Olympic category.

00:17:10.380 You get invited to the Olympic games.

00:17:12.400 It means some woman in the world somewhere didn't get to compete because Laurel Hubbard

00:17:17.340 is sitting there in the group.

00:17:20.480 So it does affect us every single time.

00:17:25.080 Now, I guess too, on the flip side of that, the, many of these professional sports bodies

00:17:32.260 and amateur sports bodies, they used to recognize testosterone as a performance enhancing drug.

00:17:38.360 And yet now we're allowing people who've experienced 35 years of testosterone coursing through their

00:17:45.240 bodies.

00:17:45.600 And we think that's completely fair now.

00:17:48.680 It's preposterous and it's, it's actually outrageous.

00:17:53.640 And the one governing body in Canada, the Canadian center for ethics and sports, CCES,

00:17:59.740 their only mandate, Sheila, the only mandate after the Ben Johnson affair and the cheating

00:18:04.320 in the eighties, their only mandate was to make sure that Canadians don't dope.

00:18:08.700 And now they're promoting this.

00:18:11.660 They are the prime association group in Canada, promoting male bodies, self-identifying into

00:18:18.020 women's sports, male bodies that have had full, like 20 plus years of, if you, if you think

00:18:24.800 there are females in a male body, then they have had 20 years of testosterone doping and

00:18:29.680 advantages built up that are now suddenly supposed to be like, we're just supposed to say, welcome,

00:18:35.940 welcome to the group.

00:18:37.180 And they've been cheating.

00:18:38.360 I guess, if you're going to say that doping is cheating, then they've actually had 20 years

00:18:43.960 of cheating that they're, that we're just supposed to pretend like that somehow, even one year,

00:18:49.600 in fact, the CCES position is they shouldn't be forced to take hormones or surgery or anything

00:18:55.440 at all. In fact, CCES says they can be a male for one season in one sport and female for another

00:19:02.540 season in another sport. And then they can change their mind because, you know, gender is fluid. So 0.97

00:19:07.160 they can go back and forth between like, they could be a male hockey player one season, and then

00:19:12.180 they could be like a female sprinter the next season. And like, where does this end? This is 1.00

00:19:17.420 ridiculous. Well, how do we even police sport? 0.96

00:19:20.020 No, that's the thing, like the these bodies, their one job is to make the playing field fair.

00:19:27.440 And this is anything but fair for female sports. I want to ask you, where are the feminists in all 1.00

00:19:33.760 of this? Because I noticed that you are, whether it's purposefully or otherwise, using a little bit

00:19:40.300 of modern feminist language when you say women's only spaces. And you know what, this is where I agree 1.00

00:19:46.940 with the more radical of the modern feminists. I do believe there should be women's only spaces. 0.96

00:19:52.620 And they are largely silent on this, or pushing this. And I don't understand. I don't understand

00:19:59.640 how, how they reconcile that in their minds.

00:20:03.260 Well, there's two kinds of feminists that you're going to run into on this issue. 1.00

00:20:06.440 There's the intersectional feminists who believe in, you know, like third or fourth wave feminism, 1.00

00:20:10.940 where they want to believe that men and women are equal. And so sports maybe is a platform to show

00:20:18.480 that we can just kind of all be equal and share the same space. And then there's the more radical

00:20:23.620 feminists, which means it's not extreme feminists. By that, the radical feminist means the root of 0.99

00:20:29.720 feminism, radical being the root. And those more like wave two, like the World War Two, after World War

00:20:35.420 Two, we believed in equal pay for equal work, that women should be allowed in the workspace and in 0.73

00:20:41.760 public spaces, in government. So, so I guess, you know, I had to study all that, just because I mean,

00:20:49.060 I was a coach, and I didn't even, I didn't even understand what was going on. I'm just coaching all

00:20:53.000 my life and in the trenches with my head down. And then when this hit me, I thought, well, okay,

00:20:57.500 why aren't some women supporting me? And why are others supporting me? And so it just, I think it turns

00:21:02.180 out that there's the more modern feminists want to believe this, this, it's a fairy tale, actually, 1.00

00:21:09.020 that there's no difference between male bodies and female bodies. And then the more traditional

00:21:13.360 feminists, which are the radical feminists, believe that, you know, we have to have distinct 1.00

00:21:19.360 recognition, have sex, single sex spaces, whether it's in prisons, in women's shelters, like, you can't 0.97

00:21:26.780 put a male rapist into a women's prison, I'm sorry, he's going to end up raping people. That's the way 1.00

00:21:31.820 he does it, right. And so yet our government through Bill C16 is justifying even that. So I'm just

00:21:38.560 saying that there's just, there's a purpose for having single space, sex spaces for females to be 1.00

00:21:45.540 safe, for life to be fair. And for us to have parity in society and have equal standing and have security

00:21:52.860 to thrive as women. And with all the skills that we have, we bring skill sets, men bring skill sets.

00:22:00.380 I mean, I love to death, my father, my husband, my son, like, I love the men in my life, I'm not

00:22:06.560 against them. But I also realize they're men, and I'm a woman, and there's differences. And let's

00:22:11.900 celebrate that. Like, why do we have to pretend like we're just one big blob of a humanity? I mean,

00:22:18.320 not a single person in this country, I dare you to find a single person in this country, that came 1.00

00:22:24.200 about by any other way than the joining of two gametes, a sperm and egg, male and female, and then

00:22:31.300 they made another person. Find me the person that came about any other way than that. And I will maybe

00:22:37.140 change my mind. But until then, we are biological beings. Now you just touched on Bill C16. And

00:22:44.680 there is some pretty serious threats to people like yourself who speak out against this radical,

00:22:52.700 I will call it radical gender, gender ideology, because I think that's really what it is.

00:22:59.460 Do you feel like that sort of thing is looming over the head of people like you that could serve

00:23:05.660 to silence you through the court system?

00:23:08.100 So when, when I look back at what the politicians were saying, Sheila, during the Bill C16 debate,

00:23:16.300 they made it very clear that there was a difference between biological sex and gender identity. And

00:23:21.840 let's face it, our charter, National Charter of Rights and Freedoms, Canadian Charter of Rights and

00:23:26.480 Freedoms, does emphasize that we can't be discriminated on the basis of our sex, which is biology. And then

00:23:32.960 these newer bills were about gender expression and gender identity. And so I not a single politician at that

00:23:42.300 time that I was looking at in Parliament, was talking about the fact that gender should completely replace 0.99

00:23:48.500 biological sex, they were saying these two things were being held in balance. So when you say like somebody

00:23:54.960 needs to like the law says you can discriminate on the basis of gender identity or gender

00:23:59.420 expression, expression, fine. But not bullying somebody does not mean that you include the wrong

00:24:07.200 sex body in a space that's going to be harmful to the other sex. These two things have to be held 1.00

00:24:15.900 in balance. And this is what laws are, they're trying to find the balance. So when they passed that law,

00:24:21.480 I honestly didn't think that there was a single politician who thought, oh, that'd be a great idea,

00:24:25.360 put a rapist in a female prison. No, no. But I think what's happening is the middle management and 0.87

00:24:31.780 the and the wokesters and everybody in the middle is interpreting it that way. Yeah. So like, for 0.93

00:24:37.280 example, in sports, we can say if a if a boy shows up, let's say a high school boy shows up in a dress

00:24:43.360 and wants to run a race, it's still run with the guys. We don't we have already resolved that issue.

00:24:48.640 We have no bullying policy in sport. We will not bully. We will respect the gender expression,

00:24:55.320 gender identity, but but we will also stick to the sex based rules. This is easy to implement. It's not 0.79

00:25:02.060 like we are somehow breaking the law. We are holding the law in balance. You know, and it's it's funny,

00:25:08.900 because even these days to watch your child play sports, you have to go through an anti bullying course.

00:25:14.380 So it's it's not like we're we're completely against anti bullying. Most of us are forced to

00:25:21.060 participate in these anti bullying programs. Even if you've never bullied anybody in your life,

00:25:25.420 you still have to do it. So I mean, it's not like sport doesn't take bullying seriously. But this is

00:25:30.180 not the same. This is really not the same. Right. I wanted to ask you, I guess, if we don't rein this

00:25:38.180 in, and that'll be my last question, how do we rein it in? But if we don't rein, if we don't rein

00:25:43.240 it in, what are the consequences for women's sport going forward? Like, what's the timeline? How

00:25:48.180 how long do we have left before there's no such thing as women's sports? I say we have about five 1.00

00:25:53.960 to 10 years, and then women's sports will not exist because and let's face it, I'm going to say that

00:25:59.100 it's going to hurt women and trans identifying women. So trans males who identify as women. Because 0.70

00:26:06.760 I think about it this way, Sheila, once the whole final, let's fit the entire podium in every

00:26:11.940 competition is there's enough males now who self identified into women's sports, that the real

00:26:17.220 female athletes who are born female, don't have a chance, they will walk away quietly. 1.00

00:26:24.420 Because I know this, a lot of females would rather not complain, they just walk away disappear. 1.00

00:26:28.100 So they will self exclude from the sport category. What's going to be left at that point is a bunch of

00:26:34.940 males in the women final. And once these activists are seeing that they're surrounded

00:26:41.760 by other males just like themselves, in the final, they will no longer feel special or unique, or

00:26:49.200 they will no longer feel that they're being affirmed with the females. So the very, you know, they enter

00:26:56.320 women's sports specifically to for a social affirmation. It's not because they want to compete, because we 1.00

00:27:02.340 offer them third categories, and they say no, they want to be with the women because they feel they need to

00:27:08.320 be seen with women, right to as a form of social expression. So the minute everybody disappears, 0.78

00:27:14.160 although all the female born athletes disappear, the field will be left, it'll be like the men's a 1.00

00:27:20.560 final, the men's be final, and there will be no women. And you know what, these people will no longer 0.54

00:27:25.040 feel affirmed. And they'll probably just end up walking away to because they're not getting what they

00:27:29.600 need. They're not getting the social affirmation they need. So it's only the first few people like Laurel

00:27:34.000 Hubbard, who will feel like they're so special, and they're being platformed and profiled with all

00:27:39.060 the women. And then eventually, it'll just be all men. And they won't feel special anymore. And then so

00:27:44.620 what I feel like is, why go through that cycle? Why destroy the entire thing? And then we'd have to

00:27:51.960 rebuild women's sport anyway, in 10 or 20 years, to start over again. What so it's worth defending now. 1.00

00:27:59.920 And the, and you alluded to what is the solution? Yes. And the solution really is when we bring this

00:28:06.380 up again, I'll show the book one last time, we bring this up in the book. I'm sporting. We basically

00:28:14.740 advocate that there should be an open category for all all different types of like, anybody who's not a

00:28:24.480 female and a female only category. So female and open. And actually, this is how sport works right 1.00

00:28:32.240 now. If you look at the NHL, NFL and NBA, all the professional male sports are actually open sports.

00:28:40.080 If a woman was good enough, she could be an NFL player, she could be an NHL player, they are open.

00:28:46.340 But of course, magically, no women ever qualify because the male body has quite a few inherent 1.00

00:28:52.200 advantages. So I'm just saying that we should just stick with what we have male, like we should 1.00

00:28:58.160 have an open category, keep the binary, keep it open. So let's even if you're a female who identifies 1.00

00:29:03.300 as a man, and you're taking extra hormones, we'll then go into the open category. But the baseline

00:29:09.580 should be female, specific, born female, not doping. And then everybody else can go into the open 1.00

00:29:16.820 category. And, and, and, and it's, that operates on the principle of absence of competitive,

00:29:22.460 competitive advantage. So whenever you add a new person to a category in sport, the one thing they

00:29:28.860 cannot bring with them is a competitive advantage. So like, you know, if you have a sprinter suddenly

00:29:34.520 join, like even the men's team, but then he has a fantastic new running shoe, which has been

00:29:38.880 happening lately, or like a distance runner, brand new running shoe that nobody else has.

00:29:43.760 Well, then, you know, there needs to be a rule about that, because that person brings something

00:29:48.120 extra special, which is a competitive advantage above what everybody else has access to. So

00:29:55.040 if we're saying, there's this new kind of person called a trans person, and they're trying to come

00:30:01.320 into a category, we need to critically ask, is there physically a competitive advantage? And if there is,

00:30:07.560 they need to go stay out of that category and go to the one where they don't bring the competitive

00:30:12.620 advantage. It's just logic. And when anybody joining the men in the open category, they're

00:30:18.460 not going to be bringing to the men a competitive advantage. So it actually is, you can maximize

00:30:24.800 access, and it's full inclusivity, because everybody gets to compete, but you just compete

00:30:32.940 according to those principles.

00:30:35.180 Well, Linda, I want to thank you so much for taking the time to talk with me today. And I want

00:30:40.380 to thank you for your level headed approach to all of this, because there's so much emotion injected

00:30:45.740 into this. And you, you know, you just present the facts and the science of it all. And I really

00:30:50.400 appreciate that. And lovely talking with you.

00:30:53.860 Thank you so much. And good luck with the book. It's been a real blessing to a mom like me with a

00:30:58.940 daughter in contact sports. Well, tell her good luck. And thank you very much for having me and

00:31:04.140 have a great summer, everybody. We can get through this.

00:31:17.280 If you're a mom like me with a daughter in contact sports, Linda and Barbara's new book is an absolute

00:31:23.920 must read. It'll scare you, but it'll give you hope for the future. And again, you can get

00:31:29.940 Linda blade and Barbara Kay's brand new book at unsporting.com. The book again is unsporting

00:31:36.900 how trans activism and science denial are destroying sport. Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight. 0.68

00:31:43.740 Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody back here or, you know, wherever I am next week.

00:31:49.620 And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:31:53.920 I'll see you next week.

00:32:23.920 Bye-bye.

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Rebel News Podcast - July 22, 2021

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Olympic Heptathlete and Kinesiologist Linda Blade： Women's Sports Under Attack By Radical Gender Activists

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