Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ One year on, looking back on the remarkable rise of the Freedom Convoy

00:00:00.100 Oh, hey guys, I bet you're expecting the melodious sounds of Ezra Levant's voice, but no, it's

00:00:05.300 me, the guest-o, Sheila Gunn-Reed, filling in for Ezra in the big chair today.

00:00:09.700 Now, tonight I'm talking to trucker lawyer Keith Wilson, because we're looking back

00:00:16.540 on the first anniversary of the single largest human rights demonstration in modern Canadian

00:00:22.960 history, the trucker convoy.

00:00:24.780 Anyway, I'm asking Keith how this property rights lawyer from Alberta became the point

00:00:30.600 man on the legal team for the freedom convoy in Ottawa, and how he helped them navigate

00:00:38.860 the legal quagmire they found themselves in when they landed in the nation's capital as

00:00:43.620 several levels of government and several police forces tried to crack down and euthanize the

00:00:49.900 trucker convoy.

00:00:50.940 And I'm also asking Keith what he thinks the outcome of the Public Order Inquiry Commission

00:00:56.780 will be.

00:00:57.200 That's the official examination of Justin Trudeau's actions in invoking a counter-terrorism law

00:01:01.540 on peaceful political dissidents in the nation's capital.

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00:01:49.880 Looking back on the single largest human rights movement in modern Canadian history with the 0.99

00:02:10.140 lawyer representing the activists.

00:02:12.020 It's January 31st, 2023.

00:02:14.720 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, but you're watching The Ezra Levant Show.

00:02:17.780 We're fighting for freedom! 0.95

00:02:20.980 Shame on you, you censorious bug! 0.91

00:02:32.420 I don't think I'm exaggerating when I call the anti-segregation, pro-free-speech, pro-mobility 0.90

00:02:37.740 rights freedom convoy from last February the single largest cohesive human rights demonstration

00:02:43.380 in modern Canadian history.

00:02:45.460 Tens of thousands of Canadians lined the highways and overpasses across this country as a convoy

00:02:51.760 led by truckers, but joined by thousands of normal people headed to our nation's capital

00:02:56.380 to protest the endless COVID restrictions on our lives.

00:02:59.700 By then, Canadians had spent two years being told which way to walk in the grocery store,

00:03:05.800 who they could have in their homes.

00:03:07.220 They were told they had to get a medication they didn't want before they could travel,

00:03:12.140 or go to the gym, or watch their kids play hockey, or even have a beer with friends.

00:03:17.920 And when Justin Trudeau told the truckers they had to get a vaccine to cross the border

00:03:21.780 after they had already been working for two years without interruption to keep the economy going,

00:03:27.460 they said enough was enough.

00:03:29.580 It was the breaking point, and Canadians joined the truckers. 0.98

00:03:32.600 And immediately upon arrival in the nation's capital, those truckers found themselves in

00:03:37.520 real legal jeopardy as multiple levels of government and several levels of police

00:03:43.740 sought to crack down on the convoy and their leadership.

00:03:46.800 So they needed great legal help, and along came my show guest today,

00:03:51.200 who stepped up to thread the legal needle to protect the rights and interests of the peaceful

00:03:57.100 protesters in Ottawa from a government that has an excessive reflex to squash dissidents

00:04:03.580 and smash freedom.

00:04:05.380 Stay with me, Keith Wilson, lawyer for the truckers, joins me after the break for a long-form interview.

00:04:22.760 So joining me now is that man, trucker lawyer Keith Wilson.

00:04:26.540 Keith, thanks so much for coming on the show.

00:04:29.440 I have so many questions for you, and I think because we're sort of a year out of the convoy,

00:04:35.660 I think maybe we can walk back a little.

00:04:38.180 I'm curious how a lawyer in Alberta ends up being trucker lawyer in Ottawa.

00:04:46.160 How did you get involved in the convoy itself?

00:04:50.400 Well, you know, sometimes the phone rings and you answer it.

00:04:53.600 It was actually a Zoom call.

00:04:57.500 It was not quite one year ago today.

00:05:01.400 It was on February 1st, and I had a team meeting with my Peckford lawyers,

00:05:09.400 because as you know, I counsel for former Premier Peckford on the travel mandate charter challenge.

00:05:13.860 And there was a bunch of more names in the waiting room than I expected.

00:05:19.420 And there was an assembly of lawyers from the Justice Centre that had been contacted that morning

00:05:25.180 from the truckers in Ottawa with a request for help with legal matters.

00:05:29.660 And the Justice Centre determined that they were going to send a team of five lawyers to Ottawa the next morning,

00:05:35.380 and they asked me if I would lead that team being a senior lawyer, and I agreed.

00:05:40.640 So that's how I found myself in Ottawa on February 2nd for 19 days on the ground at the side of Tamara Leach and Chris Barber

00:05:49.820 and other members of the Freedom Board and advising them and helping them negotiate their agreement with the city

00:05:56.700 and deal with the police and the GoFundMe and the donations and everything else,

00:06:01.480 the class action lawsuit, the injunctions, the Attorney General orders, the Emergency Act proclamations, and so on.

00:06:07.640 Now, how did you end up with Eva at your side?

00:06:10.760 Because Eva Chippyuk, she has been a very outspoken face of the legal team of the convoy, 1.00

00:06:16.660 and she was the one who examined Justin Trudeau with the Public Order Commission.

00:06:22.340 So I guess, how do you formulate a team to walk into Ottawa to try to untangle this mess that's unfolding in front of you?

00:06:31.560 Well, I've known Eva for 15 or more years.

00:06:35.640 So my background is representing landowners, farmers, ranchers, and other landowners in Alberta

00:06:41.640 and disputes with energy companies, utility companies, and that sort of work where you have a group client

00:06:49.800 where you're representing, you know, 20, 30 farms on a pipeline route or something.

00:06:54.620 And Eva also, that's her background. 0.99

00:06:56.980 So we'd met numerous times where we were in hearings over large pipeline projects or power line projects.

00:07:03.080 So we practiced the same kind of law where we're in these David and Goliath type battles.

00:07:08.660 And she was the one who reached out to me in the fall of 2021 and asked me if I would be willing to take on the Peckford case

00:07:17.900 for the, you know, as a contract lawyer to the Justice Center.

00:07:21.140 So that's how Eva and I, so we've known one another off and on throughout the years,

00:07:25.480 had a lot of cases where we're on the same side of and so on.

00:07:29.160 Both her and I do a lot of public speaking to the legal profession.

00:07:33.180 So her and I would often be at legal conferences speaking on different contemporary legal topics.

00:07:38.760 But then they, the Justice Center themselves that morning of February 1st, had assembled a team.

00:07:49.040 And they, amongst themselves, they told me, had decided that with myself being a senior lawyer, 27 years at the bar,

00:07:56.660 they asked if I would lead them.

00:07:58.720 So I thought, well, that's helpful.

00:07:59.980 They've already decided amongst themselves that how they wanted the team to function.

00:08:05.700 So that's how it came about.

00:08:07.280 You know, it's interesting.

00:08:09.760 I didn't know that from Eva's background.

00:08:12.840 I knew that from your background, but I didn't realize that from Eva's.

00:08:15.600 But that sort of makes the two of you kind of perfect in defending the little guy's rights

00:08:20.120 from being tromped on by somebody or some institution that is far more powerful.

00:08:25.220 Now, you guys land in Ottawa.

00:08:28.140 How, what's the first thing you do?

00:08:30.320 Because you land and it's just, I guess, kind of chaotic, right?

00:08:34.860 You have these sort of different convoy factions and you have, you know, you're dealing with the police, you're dealing with the city.

00:08:43.800 Now the OPP is there.

00:08:45.620 The feds are sort of buzzing around like they might get involved.

00:08:48.560 What's the first thing you do as a lawyer to try to bring some order out of chaos, I guess, is the right way to put it?

00:08:55.520 Well, we had a long plane ride there because we're in this twin thing and we went up and down, up and down because we flew to Medicine Hat to pick up Tamara Leach's husband, Dwayne.

00:09:09.560 And then we flew to two locations in Saskatchewan to pick up lawyers and the accountant and then we flew to Winnipeg and then we were so heavy and full we had to stop at Thunder Bay for fuel.

00:09:18.660 So we left at eight o'clock in the morning and we landed in Ottawa at 10.30 at night.

00:09:24.320 So we developed a plan and I sort of built, allowed the team to get to know one another on that flight.

00:09:32.240 We made the decision that we'd go in in two waves.

00:09:35.540 They were going to get a rental car.

00:09:36.920 I'd go in a taxi with Dwayne because that would get me to the leadership group immediately going with Tamara's husband.

00:09:43.660 And when I arrived, the first thing I noticed when we got downtown to the hotel was that we drove downtown to the hotel because I had this image from the legacy media that we'd get stopped eight or 10 blocks out.

00:09:59.700 And then I was psychologically prepared for a long walk to get to the hotel and we pulled up right to the front door just like you can today.

00:10:08.400 And that was consistent throughout.

00:10:09.960 Anyway, so that was the first sort of, wow, this is weird.

00:10:12.620 And also going past all the trucks and the people and the protesters and the signs and the encampments was, my eyes were pretty wide.

00:10:23.000 But the other thing that was really notable, Sheila, was when I went into the lobby of the hotel, the supplies were stacked everywhere, like too high against the wall because so many Canadians were just pouring in supplies.

00:10:36.220 It was remarkable.

00:10:38.220 And I could also, you could cut the tension.

00:10:40.720 It had this feel of, I imagined what it might have been like, say, during the Yugoslavian war when the enemy had advanced significantly and all the civilians were like holed up in this hotel and were surrounded.

00:10:55.840 It had that kind of super high tension to it.

00:10:58.600 And we went up to a hotel room where the key leaders were there, the key original convoy leaders and road captains and so on, Tamera Leach, Chris Barber, Sean Tyson and others, Miranda Gracer.

00:11:13.520 And I had to work very quickly to understand who they were and to earn their trust.

00:11:21.380 None of us had met one another before.

00:11:23.320 So it was really interesting.

00:11:25.120 And it wasn't until the next day that I discovered there was all these other groups that were there and some had great intentions and others not so much.

00:11:34.620 So it was a sorting at first.

00:11:37.560 You know, it's funny that you would explain the first thing you notice is how much the mainstream media was lying about what was happening in Ottawa.

00:11:48.480 And I guess that theme continued on.

00:11:51.360 Now, you, was it almost immediately that you sort of got to work, working with the city to sort of uncork some of the pressure that was happening in the downtown?

00:12:02.580 What are the first steps there of your engagement with the city?

00:12:07.280 Sure.

00:12:07.560 Well, you know, what, what Tamera and the other truckers had wanted was a dialogue with government.

00:12:14.680 Right.

00:12:15.300 Right.

00:12:15.760 And I've had to establish that before I've represented, you know, livestock groups, I've represented other interest groups.

00:12:22.980 And so the first thing you do, you don't go knocking on the front door.

00:12:27.060 You don't go up to the parliament building and say, hi, we'd like to talk to you.

00:12:30.480 You establish a back channel.

00:12:32.460 That's how diplomacy has always worked.

00:12:36.860 Okay.

00:12:37.360 Okay.

00:12:37.480 And so I reached out to former Premier Peckford and my phone logs, which were in evidence in the inquiry, confirmed this as early as the Saturday.

00:12:47.640 And the first Saturday that I was there arrived on the Wednesday night.

00:12:53.460 Um, and I said, Hey, do you have any contacts, both at the city level and the federal level so that, that we can try and open up a dialogue?

00:13:02.660 I had discussed this.

00:13:03.660 I had discussed this.

00:13:04.820 That was the first concern that Tamera and Chris and the other leaders had raised with me was the absence of any serious dialogue.

00:13:12.720 And they said, what do we do?

00:13:14.440 Like, we've never been in this situation.

00:13:15.960 We don't know how to do this.

00:13:17.100 And I said, well, what you do is you establish a back channel, you build some trust, and then you negotiate the terms for which you go and have your sit down with the cameras and all that.

00:13:25.940 So I started that right away.

00:13:27.560 Uh, that's what they instructed me to do.

00:13:29.600 Um, and Premier Peckford had contacts and he reached out to those and I got the first call that turned out to be the former chief of staff to Premier Doug Ford in Ontario, Dean French.

00:13:42.220 And he reached out to me on the Saturday.

00:13:45.240 Um, that was very quick and, uh, him and I talked about what was possible.

00:13:51.000 I kept, uh, Tamara and the other keyboard members, uh, briefed at all times.

00:13:55.980 And, uh, one thing led to another and eventually, um, uh, almost two weeks later or more than two weeks later, um, Tamara and the mayor reached an agreement on how to de-escalate and allow the protest to focus on the federal government and allow the protest to go longer.

00:14:14.920 Of course, Trudeau and his government sent in the goons and, uh, violently beat up and arrested, uh, hundreds of Canadians.

00:14:24.880 Yeah, you know, and that was one of the things that really struck me from the Public Order Emergency Commission, what we call the Trucker Commission here at Rebel News, is once we started seeing evidence about, you know, the, the, the mainstream media and the liberals, although I probably repeat myself by separating the two.

00:14:45.120 Um, they, uh, they, uh, they became, the narrative was that the invocation of the Emergencies Act was the means of last resort to deal with the convoy, uh, which was violent, which was terroristic, seditionist.

00:15:04.440 Nobody's ever been charged with sedition, um, but they, the police didn't have the tools that they needed, so they had to use these extraordinary tools that suspended civil liberties to give the police the tools that they needed.

00:15:17.500 But as it turns out, they had mused about invoking the Emergencies Act before they even knew, knew the full extent of the convoy, like upon the day of arrival of some truckers, they were, they were talking about, is this an Emergencies Act level thing?

00:15:32.740 And then, as it turns out, they didn't need these additional tools.

00:15:37.260 They had negotiated a deal to move the trucks out.

00:15:41.080 Um, there were, uh, tow trucks available from places that were, you know, that, you know, they had people that had turned them down, but they were able to get access to tow trucks, which is one of the reasons they said they needed to invoke the Emergencies Act.

00:15:55.240 They didn't need to do that.

00:15:56.180 And, and as it turns out, the invocation of the Emergencies Act caused a redeployment of police away from the convoy's efforts to move trucks out of the downtown core, because you couldn't move those trucks out without police stopping and redirecting traffic.

00:16:12.860 But once the feds invoked the Emergencies Act, it, it stopped those efforts, which sort of locked the congestion downtown for longer.

00:16:21.400 Yes. Well, and so, you know, what was really remarkable about the evidence that came out in the inquiry from all of the government officials, the police officials, and we know we're talking about the highest of officials, is that it was clear.

00:16:38.560 So remember the timeline, the Emergencies Act was announced on Monday, Valentine's Day, February 14th.

00:16:44.400 The deal, Tamara's deal and the deal between the board to relocate the trucks with the mayor was approved by the board through an emergency board meeting of the trucker leadership on the Friday night before.

00:16:58.860 Letters were exchanged from the mayor to Tamara and Tamara sent a letter back to the mayor confirming the agreement on the Saturday, all the trucker leadership went out, 850 flyers were printed to explain the deal and the plan to the truckers handed out by hand because we couldn't trust any form, other forms of media.

00:17:22.160 And there was significant buy-in from the truckers, you got to remember that a lot of people never planned to stay that long and a lot of people were resolved to stay, but some needed to go home and wanted to go home, but needed a graceful way out.

00:17:36.620 And so this idea of moving the majority of the vehicles out to these three base camps that had been set up just outside the perimeter of the city and having shuttle bus, we'd already started doing that and it was working really well.

00:17:49.280 So the idea was to expand it, but infill Wellington as tight as we could because there was still quite a bit of space to put another hundred or more trucks up there to spread it along further to the east or to the west rather.

00:18:03.540 So the plan was to do that, there was a logistics meeting with senior police officials, Eva Chipiuk, several of the truck captains and Tom Marazzo on the Sunday night at City Hall, everything was good to go.

00:18:19.460 And it was at that night, Sunday night, the cabinet actually voted to invoke the emergencies act.

00:18:26.860 But what came out was that Cootes border was open at that point on the Sunday, Windsor was open, Emerson was open.

00:18:34.540 So all the border protests were resolved and the only thing left was Ottawa, but the truckers, their leadership had reached this agreement with the mayor that they were about to implement it.

00:18:46.000 One of the real unfortunate and controversial things that happened was on Sunday night, a person who you've interviewed, BJ Dichter, logged into Tamara's Twitter account and sent out a tweet, even though the board had approved the deal with the mayor and said there is no deal.

00:19:06.680 And unfortunately, the prime minister, when he testified at the inquiry, Mr. Mendocino, relied on Mr. Dichter's tweet that he sent from Ms. Tamara's account without her consent.

00:19:20.360 She was incensed.

00:19:21.400 Eva and I and the other board members were with her all that night, so we knew she hadn't sent the tweet.

00:19:26.880 And unfortunately, it really sabotaged the Freedom Convoy and played right into the government's hands.

00:19:31.600 So this is the kind of thing we were constantly managing.

00:19:34.540 You know, there was divisions and infighting.

00:19:36.300 There was different groups or individuals trying to run out on point on their own.

00:19:40.160 But overall, no matter how you look at it, even with that quirk, because Tamara immediately sent out a tweet correcting that the deal was going ahead.

00:19:50.020 And on the Monday, we moved as all the mayor testified, the chief of staff, the police testified at the inquiry.

00:19:56.200 We moved over 100 vehicles out of the residential area of downtown.

00:19:59.900 We pushed 23 trucks up into Wellington.

00:20:03.680 Most of the trucks went out to the base camps that were set up on the perimeter or went home.

00:20:09.780 So we proved and we also got stopped that morning by the police.

00:20:13.780 Their communications were terrible, just terrible.

00:20:17.800 Yeah.

00:20:18.160 So anyway, it was it was a crazy adventure.

00:20:20.880 But I think all in all, it was a remarkable display by Canadians of their patriotism and their willingness to come forward and take a stand when they were clear in their minds to the core of their being.

00:20:35.720 The government had gone too far with these mandates, that, you know, that the charter was just being trampled in every respect.

00:20:44.860 And it was such an uplifting experience to be there to see the hope and the pride and the determination of so many Canadians who came together, who never knew one another before.

00:20:57.580 Yeah, the show of restraint to by Canadians in the face of that violence that so many of them faced at the hands of the police, it really speaks to the level of commitment.

00:21:12.400 They had to remain peaceful, to not be that thing which the government was going in the media and saying they were, that they were these fringe radicals, they were terrorists, they were seditionists.

00:21:22.360 They were being beaten by clubs, by police and tear gassed and hauled out of their vehicles and their windows smashed in and threatened to have their kids and their dogs snatched from them.

00:21:32.860 And they didn't react once with violence.

00:21:34.920 And I think at any given point, all along the way, the police were vastly outnumbered by protesters.

00:21:42.700 And those protesters are the country's useful people.

00:21:46.440 They build things, they drive things.

00:21:48.860 If they wanted to overtake the entire city of Ottawa, they definitely could have.

00:21:53.820 They never did.

00:21:54.660 And I think that speaks to the quality of their character.

00:21:58.480 Absolutely.

00:21:59.320 You know, and the restraint was, wasn't it remarkable?

00:22:03.520 You know, even the, I've told this before, one of the things that really struck me, Sheila, is each time I would go up onto Wellington and tour the areas and interact directly with the truckers and the protesters.

00:22:15.940 And I didn't have as much chance to do that as I would have liked, because as you can imagine, I was going from one meeting room to the other with Eva and I constantly dealing with so many different issues and, or being in court on injunction and defending injunction applications and so on.

00:22:29.800 But is when I'd walk past the prime minister's building, you know, that big brown stone building right across from parliament, sort of towards the war memorial, and there wasn't any graffiti on it.

00:22:41.860 And it says, prime minister of Canada's building or office, like, you know what it is.

00:22:46.460 It's obvious what it is.

00:22:48.060 There was no spray paint.

00:22:49.680 They didn't even put signs on it.

00:22:51.480 It was just like, you know, we're going to do absolutely nothing to give the prime minister and his paid legacy media the opportunity to further smear us and create false propaganda against us.

00:23:07.020 Like, that sense of awareness that they had, because no one ever said, Tamara never said, or Chris Barber or Tom Marazzo never said, or Danny Bulford never said, don't put anything on that building.

00:23:18.400 It was that, it's the point you make about how self-aware they were and how restrained.

00:23:24.160 It was just incredibly positive.

00:23:27.120 And the other thing I need to say, because I get this now that I've been to a few events since I've back to the closest thing I can describe to a normal life after that rollercoaster ride of 2022, is the number of people that up until the Freedom Convoy trusted the legacy media.

00:23:49.240 It was really them realizing the extent to which the legacy media was force-feeding them the government's line, the government's propaganda, and them seeing live streams in their Facebook friend group, or seeing a live stream on Twitter, or seeing a live stream on YouTube, and going,

00:24:17.900 hmm, those people look pretty diverse ethnically, and to me, they're dancing, hugging, singing, oh, those kids on the Jumpy Castle don't seem very threatening, certainly don't look like terrorists.

00:24:33.900 So it really, it was one of the most damning things for the traditional profession of journalism, and people now, on a scale that I've never seen before, question everything from the legacy media, or have just turned it off completely, and now realize they have to work very hard, and look to alternative and newer streaming and media sources,

00:25:03.140 such as rebel news, such as rebel news, if they want to get any accurate sense of what's really going on in the world around them.

00:25:08.840 Yeah, that was one of the things that really struck me, is how in this city that's teaming with journalists, right, like Ottawa, if you're not a bureaucrat, you're a journalist, or a politician there, that's it.

00:25:20.980 And the media would not go down to the convoy and actually talk to the convoyers, but they would talk to the politicians about the convoy.

00:25:34.680 And I think it was because they knew, if I actually talk to these people, it will debunk the narrative of the government, so we can't do that.

00:25:42.620 And for us here at Rebel News, we saw enormous viewership growth over the convoy, and all we had to do was turn on our cell phones and show the world that which the mainstream media wouldn't come out of their cubicles to do.

00:25:58.980 All they had to do was show the world the reality, and they wouldn't do it because I think it would hurt their paymaster, Justin Trudeau.

00:26:06.760 Well, let me give a very vivid example of what you just said.

00:26:10.680 Sure.

00:26:10.960 DBC's building is on Spark Street.

00:26:14.940 It's one block from Wellington.

00:26:17.300 All they had to do was walk out, walk up the street, walk up one block.

00:26:22.140 They probably had to, and I heard a former journalist point this out, and I thought it was a powerful point.

00:26:27.780 He said they probably had to walk further to get to their car to go home than to walk up onto Wellington.

00:26:35.800 And since getting back, so like, they refuse to do, and you know what, I think CBC's in a different class, you know, $1.2 billion.

00:26:47.180 Sure.

00:26:47.520 Like, they're just the propaganda arm of government, you know, they're, that's all they are.

00:26:52.420 They're like North Korean television, you know, I just, they're...

00:26:55.640 Pravda.

00:26:56.140 And Rosemary Barton is the newsreader that's so excited about the dear leader, right?

00:27:01.940 But the other point, though, is I get, I only respond to about a third of the legacy media requests that I get.

00:27:13.260 And I did one actually with the Toronto Star, and to their credit, it wasn't too bad of a story.

00:27:20.720 But what I found, and I discussed this with the journalists, because, you know, I'm 58, I've been involved in high-profile cases all my career.

00:27:29.200 So I've had lots of cases that are in the media over the years.

00:27:32.980 And normally when I talk to a reporter, I have, in the old days, I had no idea where they were on the issue.

00:27:39.360 I had no Twitter, I could go to see what their politics were.

00:27:41.840 And when I wrote, read the story, I still didn't know where they were, whether they supported my clients or supported the opposing party or supported the government that I was defending somebody against.

00:27:55.160 Now, it's completely different.

00:27:58.280 I'll even say to the reporter, I say, look, you know, why are we even doing this?

00:28:03.060 You know that if I say anything bad about the government, and you decide to, first of all, you're probably not going to put it in your story.

00:28:09.540 And if you do decide to put it in your story, your editor is going to pull it out.

00:28:13.320 Because your editor is going to look at you, particularly the Toronto Star, you've got two owners, they're fighting once another in court.

00:28:19.380 One wants to sell off all the real estate and the printing presses and everything else and cash out.

00:28:24.860 The other one wants to keep it alive.

00:28:26.740 The only reason that the Toronto Star makes payroll is because they get part of the $600 million in subsidies from the federal government.

00:28:34.800 So the editor is going to look at that reporter and say, you know, Mr. Wilson might be right in criticizing the government on this.

00:28:42.440 But if we print this, the government might not give us the Toronto Star the check, then I'm going to have to lay you off, says to the reporter.

00:28:52.040 And you're not going to be able to pay your mortgage and make your car payment.

00:28:56.100 Like that's how bad it is.

00:28:57.700 So it's just complete government propaganda now.

00:29:01.700 It's paid government media full stop.

00:29:05.620 And I sense they're trying to fight back a little bit because I think they realize they've drank the poison and they've done a deal with the devil.

00:29:14.760 But I think it's too late.

00:29:16.320 And it's only a matter of time before I think we see them hopefully fade away or we're going to see more money go in from our tax dollars and we're going to get even more extreme propaganda.

00:29:27.660 And Rosemary Barton is going to up her enthusiasm level when she talks about dear Justin, you know.

00:29:33.780 You know, it's funny because they've nuked their credibility, but now they're in a position where they will not ever receive the market correction they so rightly deserve for nuking their credibility from the public who is who will not buy their product anymore or watch them because it doesn't matter.

00:29:52.840 Because as long as they're saying the things that are friendly to the government, the government will continue to bail them out.

00:29:57.240 So it's just this hideous feedback loop where the only people who really lose out are the Canadian public who are forced to pay for this unwatchable batch of lies.

00:30:07.220 Now, I can talk about how terrible the mainstream media is forever.

00:30:11.880 However, as long as they remain terrible, I will have job security for as long as I want it.

00:30:16.960 But I wanted to talk to you about the Public Order Emergency Commission because the commission has examined everything insofar as they've – the evidence before them, I should say.

00:30:28.880 And it sounds like they've made their decision and they are passing the decision on to the federal government to look at before everybody else, which I think is probably normal practice.

00:30:42.100 I think the government usually gets a call.

00:30:44.320 No, it's not.

00:30:44.960 Okay, correct me on that.

00:30:46.220 Well, here's the thing.

00:30:47.620 Yeah, sure.

00:30:48.400 Because often when an inquiry is set, they do it from a blank piece of paper.

00:30:53.860 In other words, there's no statutory requirement.

00:30:56.200 There's no direction from the parliament that it occur.

00:31:01.360 In this case, that's different.

00:31:03.880 When we know that when the War Measures Act was replaced with the Emergencies Act,

00:31:11.240 the parliamentarians of the day wanted an additional check and balance.

00:31:16.200 So they added this provision that expressly directs the ruling government that invoked it to appoint a commissioner within a set number of days and for that commissioner to hold a public inquiry.

00:31:29.740 And it expressly directs what the commissioner shall do.

00:31:34.040 It doesn't say he can do whatever he wants.

00:31:37.000 It doesn't say the prime minister's office can ask him to do whatever they think he should do.

00:31:42.160 It expressly directs in section 63 sub 2 that that report shall be laid before the parliaments within 360 days of the revocation.

00:31:54.820 OK, so that works out to February 18th or the 20th, rather, because 18th is a Saturday.

00:32:00.580 So you bump it over to the Monday because of the Interpretation Act.

00:32:03.820 So what they're going to do in contravention of the direction from parliament is they've announced that they're going to give the report secretly to the prime minister's office in the cabinet.

00:32:18.280 So they'll have it two weeks on February 6th or 9th.

00:32:22.620 I'm drawing a confusion on that date.

00:32:25.120 It's one of those two.

00:32:26.640 I think it's the 6th.

00:32:29.280 So they'll have it.

00:32:31.220 And then we won't, the parliamentarians in the parliament won't receive it.

00:32:35.940 And we won't see it until the 20th.

00:32:37.900 This is not cool.

00:32:39.840 This is not how the law works, first of all.

00:32:43.460 Again, if they want to, you know, strike an inquiry into, the provincial government wants to strike an inquiry into the management of the wildfires at Fort McMurray from 10 years ago, they can say whatever they want in there, right?

00:32:57.840 Because there's no statutory limitation or direction on it.

00:33:01.120 Here, the emergency act is clear.

00:33:03.480 The government's hands are tied.

00:33:05.460 The commissioner's hands are tied.

00:33:07.000 The parliament has said what he shall do, and he's about to do something, along with the prime minister's office, that's contrary to what the parliament has directed.

00:33:15.840 It's very troubling.

00:33:17.240 You know, I'm glad you made that distinction because this is different than a normal commission.

00:33:22.720 This is, it's built as a fail-safe into the law.

00:33:26.420 And I think the intention of building it as a fail-safe into the law is to make the government explain itself.

00:33:33.800 And so why would you give the government an advance copy so that it can continue to make excuses for doing the thing that which it's being forced to, you know, be examined for doing?

00:33:46.180 It doesn't make any sense.

00:33:47.140 I'm very glad that you explained that.

00:33:49.280 Well, it's worse than that, though.

00:33:50.500 Let me be clear because this is very controversial.

00:33:52.540 If I ever had a court case and the judge, I found out that the judge gave the opposing party a copy of the decision two weeks before I got it, the first thing that would come to my mind is, did they pressure the judge to change something in the decision?

00:34:10.020 Right?

00:34:10.680 How will we know?

00:34:12.840 This is not cool.

00:34:14.240 This, like, the level of, to be blunt, the level of corruption that has come into the federal government is truly stunning.

00:34:22.280 And we could go on with the list and the list and the list of scandal after scandal after scandal.

00:34:26.580 I cannot even keep track of them.

00:34:28.660 They just don't care.

00:34:30.680 And so it's really unfortunate that this has come to be.

00:34:35.140 It's still open for the commissioner to follow the law and to only provide it to Canadians and the parliament and the cabinet and the prime minister all at the same time.

00:34:46.000 And I guess we're going to see what's going to happen.

00:34:48.940 Now, I was going to say there's an additional problem with all of this.

00:34:52.960 The legal opinion that the government relied on to invoke the Emergencies Act, so their justification for the act, which we are examining with the Public Order Emergency Commission itself, that is to remain secret.

00:35:09.200 So this exercise in transparency, the one most important part of it all, will not be on the table for everybody else to see.

00:35:18.440 Is that right?

00:35:18.920 Yeah, and so, you know, when you look at a number of the parties, the police committee, Brenda Luckey, the commissioner of the RCMP, the inspectors and the superintendent of the OPP, police chiefs, political officials, government officials, and then the Freedom Convoy themselves.

00:35:41.620 Because of the unique nature of an inquiry, we all opted, at the instruction of our clients, to waive privilege.

00:35:52.180 I could have sat there when I was subpoenaed to testify.

00:35:54.780 And by the way, that's why I was there.

00:35:55.820 I was subpoenaed.

00:35:56.480 I think you know that.

00:35:57.220 But some people are like, why was I there?

00:35:58.520 I was like, I was forced to be.

00:36:00.120 I would have been arrested had I not gone.

00:36:02.120 Is everybody realized what was so important here, because no, there's no criminal sanction or anything coming out of this, is that everybody be transparent as possible.

00:36:14.880 So all the parties instructed their counsel and their witnesses to where they could decline to answer a question on the basis of solicitor-client privilege, to waive that and get the truth out.

00:36:27.640 Except for one party, the federal government, Justice Minister Lamenti.

00:36:34.100 He kept invoking solicitor-client privilege.

00:36:36.360 So it's really disappointing.

00:36:38.060 The Prime Minister's office last summer had said that he was going to testify, that they were going to waive cabinet privilege, parliamentary privilege, all these other privileges.

00:36:47.780 That's not what they did.

00:36:49.200 They redacted things left, right, and center.

00:36:51.140 You remember, Sheila, we had endless battles, motions.

00:36:54.360 It was the reason Brendan Miller got removed from the hearing room one day, is that we kept making these motions on redactions that were clearly not proper redactions by the federal government.

00:37:04.420 And the Justice for Law wouldn't rule.

00:37:07.560 And I don't want to interrupt you.

00:37:09.380 I don't want to interrupt you, but I saw this firsthand, because I was sitting right behind the lawyers in the commission room, and as a witness was testifying, you guys would get a document dump from that witness.

00:37:22.340 So you couldn't, you didn't even have time to read the documents to examine the witness who was on the stand.

00:37:28.720 You couldn't even prepare.

00:37:29.680 And so what documents you did get were late, like as the witness was testifying, or they were excessively redacted with redactions that once you appealed them were revealed to be, you know, relevant to the case and not something they should have redacted.

00:37:45.580 I watched this firsthand in the room happen to you, and I thought it was strange that none of the other journalists would walk across out of the media room to see what was actually happening over in the commission room.

00:37:55.860 But again, there's that credibility problem.

00:37:59.400 Yeah, and the clearest example of what you say, it happened all the time.

00:38:03.480 And that's the other thing, like, you know, we were so exhausted.

00:38:06.280 We were working day and night, seven days a week.

00:38:10.000 We took Friday nights off to blow off some steam and build the team.

00:38:13.700 But it was because we were constantly, the federal government was supposed to disclose its documents in July.

00:38:20.480 And we were receiving massive amounts of documents from the federal government, as well as other parties.

00:38:26.480 But the biggest culprit was the federal government.

00:38:28.700 As the hearing was underway, each week, a couple times a week, we'd get two or five or ten or thousand documents thrown at us.

00:38:36.260 So we'd have to break it into things.

00:38:38.180 All four lawyers, we would be in our working room until one, two in the morning, going through these documents, in addition to all the other prep we were doing for the next day's witness, the witness after that, after that, prepping our witnesses, everything else.

00:38:51.740 So, but the best example of this, this game that the federal government was playing, who was the last witness, the prime minister, Justin Trudeau.

00:39:02.760 He took the stand and was sworn in at 9.30.

00:39:06.760 We received documents to council table by email at 10.30 while he was still on the stand and on redactions.

00:39:17.400 And one of them was remarkable because they had put up handwritten notes from, it was one of the cabinet ministers, and they had blacked out the middle part of the sentence.

00:39:28.300 And it was communications they were having with the White House down in Washington, D.C.

00:39:32.840 And the way the sentence read with the blackout was that Washington was super concerned about what was going on with the truckers in downtown Ottawa.

00:39:40.580 Once you pulled the redaction out, the sentence was completely different, and it was them saying, and we have tow trucks available for you.

00:39:49.200 It was Washington offering tow trucks.

00:39:51.660 You know, so the only reason they redacted that was so that they didn't look bad and to create a negative narrative towards the truckers.

00:39:58.900 So we received that at 10.30, and fortunately, Rob Kettridge with the Justice Centre was able to redo his cross and actually put that to the prime minister about two hours later when we were up.

00:40:13.480 So it was, and that's when, you know, the early days of the inquiry, we really felt that it was a credible process and that there was lack of bias, and it was meant to be a transparent process.

00:40:29.100 But as time went on and more and more federal, we got into the federal witnesses, and we saw the games the federal government was playing, we followed the rules and made proper motions in writing, supported by evidence and affidavits, and we wouldn't get rulings on them.

00:40:44.560 And it was like, okay, wait a minute here, something's going on.

00:40:48.100 So it was, it was, it started to, a dark cloud moved over the hearing process the further it went along.

00:40:55.620 Now, what sort of recourse, if any, do you have to this early release of these documents, should it happen, to the feds before everybody else sees them?

00:41:08.640 Is there any sort of pushback that you can do on that, or is it just, it is what it is?

00:41:15.240 Well, there's a few things.

00:41:16.900 We raised it in writing.

00:41:18.160 We made a formal demand that it not occur, and that we get a response from the commission that they're not going to do it, and they ignored that, like, they ignored many things we asked of them in writing properly.

00:41:31.080 We put it in our written submissions, our comprehensive written submissions that were filed a few weeks after, along with all the other parties.

00:41:38.140 Some other parties also raised the concern, and we've heard silence from the commission on it.

00:41:43.220 We did consider bringing a judicial review application to the court, but the time's limited for that.

00:41:51.680 There's not an endless supply of legal donations to fund all of these different things.

00:41:58.580 There's still, the truckers and the trucker leadership are still facing huge mountains of legal trouble with the class action lawsuit,

00:42:06.120 that they're facing, the $300 million one, with outstanding criminal charges and trials coming up this year that they need to fund legal representation for.

00:42:16.640 So we have to be conservative as to where we expend our limited legal resources, and, you know, it's widely known now that this is going on,

00:42:30.340 and there's a role for the opposition political parties to say something about this, and it's really disappointing that so far they've been largely silent about it.

00:42:40.660 Just doesn't leave a good feel about the level of integrity that exists in the institutions in Ottawa at all.

00:42:47.080 Now, tell us, what sort of consequences are there, if any, for the government if it is determined that the Emergencies Act was found to be illegally or improperly invoked on peaceful protesters in the nation's capital?

00:43:05.300 Is it going to be just another slap on the wrist, a la $300 ethics violation for Justin Trudeau again?

00:43:11.420 Or, you know, is it just maybe a public relations scandal that the mainstream media will just gloss right over?

00:43:19.620 What will come of this if it is found to be illegally invoked?

00:43:24.800 Sure.

00:43:25.380 So there's two parts to my answer.

00:43:27.200 The first is, with respect to the inquiry report, I think the expectation of the parliamentarians that drafted that act when the Emergencies Act was developed and became Law of Canada was that if it turned out the inquiry concluded that there wasn't proper justification for the invocation,

00:43:49.800 I think the expectations of the parliamentarians of the parliamentarians of the day was that we would have ethical standards and that our politicians and elected officials would have ethical standards and perhaps the prime minister might resign or cabinet ministers resign or something in shame for them not handling it properly.

00:44:10.460 Um, I just don't think this government's going to do that, I mean, it's just stunning the extent to which when I talk to retired cabinet ministers and politicians from various stripes, various political backgrounds, they're all astounded.

00:44:26.460 You know, Premier Peckford is just like, if he had a cabinet minister that did a quarter of any one of the thing that the Trudeau cabinet ministers have done, he would have demanded their immediate resignation.

00:44:38.760 But he said, I wouldn't have needed to because they would have come to me with it in hand before I called them, you know, and the nostalgia of the past, right, where politicians actually had some integrity.

00:44:50.220 So I don't think that's going to happen.

00:44:51.480 But there's another side to this, uh, the, the justice center, a number of other groups, um, initiated, uh, uh, judicial reviews right after the proclamation of the emergencies act where they've gone to federal court and it's currently before the federal court.

00:45:08.300 And they've said, look, the federal government did not meet the requirements for invocation.

00:45:13.120 So the court can issue a declaration of invalidity or other technical legal rulings that will declare the action of the federal government to invoke the emergencies act to have been unlawful.

00:45:26.480 If that's the case, then that potentially creates an opportunity for those who were harmed by the invocation of the emergencies act.

00:45:34.980 And here I'm thinking of the many people I represent, my clients who had their bank accounts frozen and received other harms and from the economic measures and still are being deprived banking and other merchant services that the rest of us enjoy to bring claims against them and provincially the government as well.

00:45:54.500 So there could be some legal ramifications.

00:45:56.100 My best guess as to what the Rouleau report is going to say is, um, is it's going to be right up the middle.

00:46:05.260 It's not going to be definitive either way.

00:46:07.580 It's going to talk about the things that, um, people who didn't think the emergencies act was properly required, such as the head of intelligence for the OPP who said there was no evidence of insurrection of terrorist activity of ideologically motivated extremists, all of the criteria.

00:46:24.000 And all the other police officials, and then they're going to say, but the prime minister and his cabinet kind of thought that they had met the test and, you know, we didn't really see the legal opinion.

00:46:33.480 So that's what happened.

00:46:34.760 I think that's, it's going to be right up the middle.

00:46:36.960 I don't know.

00:46:37.800 We'll see.

00:46:38.280 That's just my best guess right now. 0.99

00:46:39.580 My concern is that at the end of the day, the liberals still have the power to rewrite this law and to add amendments to it, to make it easier to invoke next time somebody embarrasses a foppish idiot that we call a prime minister in the nation's capital. 0.91

00:46:56.640 Um, that's my concern is that they are going to take what came out of the public order emergencies commission and create a roadmap for an easier invocation of the emergencies act going forward. 0.60

00:47:09.880 Um, and I think that should be concerning to all Canadians if that's the route the liberals are going to try to take.

00:47:16.140 Well, and I don't even think they need to amend the act.

00:47:18.400 If there's no consequence to invoking it for jumpy castles and extremely restrained, peaceful, law-abiding Canadians, you know, as some people commentated in some of the police and other officials, the truckers, and we've talked about this in this interview, they were self-regulating.

00:47:33.960 They didn't need police.

00:47:35.340 There was no crime.

00:47:36.920 There was no windows broken.

00:47:38.400 They were picking up garbage.

00:47:39.680 They were feeding the homeless, right?

00:47:41.920 They were having dance parties, um, uh, without people, without fights.

00:47:47.420 Uh, that normally happens in a bar or a party environment occasionally, you know?

00:47:53.160 So they, if they get away with this politically, they will know going forward that if they encounter dissent or political opposition from Canadians standing up, my fear is they'll just say, wow, that freezing of the bank account things worked really well.

00:48:10.640 Let's just do that part again, right?

00:48:13.420 So, um, we're in trouble.

00:48:15.580 Uh, the foundations, the foundational principles and beliefs of what I've always thought, and to be a Canadian, have just been pulverized by this liberal regime.

00:48:28.240 They're a cabal as far as I'm concerned.

00:48:30.280 They're no different than an organized crime ring.

00:48:32.180 I know that's a provocative comment, but look at the evidence.

00:48:34.920 Look at how they spend our money, uh, and, and the lack of accountability and so on.

00:48:40.200 So, uh, you know, the, the, the, the optimistic thing with all that doom and gloom is this so many, the, so many people I met in Ottawa and since, and I bet you had this experience as well.

00:48:53.760 I haven't asked you this, but we'll see is they tell me they were never politically active ever, you know, they never, maybe never voted, never paid attention to political parties, never did any of that stuff.

00:49:05.100 And they now realize so many Canadians realize that didn't before that if they want to control the future of this country and what it looks like for them and their children and their neighbors and their grandkids and their communities and their economy, they need to become politically involved.

00:49:20.380 So maybe that's the positive here is I think there's a big awakening that's occurred in Canada, uh, that, that engaging in, in, in politics and being involved in, in what's happening in government is really important and has a huge impact on the life that you will lead and your children will lead.

00:49:38.360 Yeah.

00:49:39.660 I've seen that from people too, that, um, even they're realizing that even if politics, if you don't care about politics, politics will come to care about you. 0.88

00:49:48.120 So you better get involved and I, and I think that, um, as Ezra put in his speech to the truckers, when he was there, that it really doesn't matter what comes of all of this because the truckers already won by being there because the act of going to Ottawa and standing up to Justin Trudeau, not only did it expose Justin Trudeau as the fragile ego driven idiot that we all know him to be, but he showed it to the world. 0.90

00:50:16.980 Finally, the world was looking at them and looking at him and looking at him and the truckers exposed him. 0.51

00:50:21.820 He was no longer the cool guy with the cool socks, but more importantly, it shook off this mind virus that Canadians were suffering from that.

00:50:32.160 A lot of people knew that restrictions weren't working.

00:50:36.600 It's crazy for the government to tell you to keep people out of your home for Christmas.

00:50:41.460 And it's crazy to tell people that you can't get on a plane or a train if you haven't taken this medicine that you don't want to take.

00:50:48.500 And it's crazy to tell people that you can't go to job, to your job, unless you get this medicine that you don't want to take that as it turns out, isn't all that effective.

00:50:56.160 Anyway, it was crazy, but media was telling people to shut up. 0.94

00:51:01.080 And if you felt differently, you were the crazy one.

00:51:04.360 But as the truckers rolled across this country and people poured out to those overpasses and along the roads, and it didn't matter if they had voted NDP or liberal or whatever.

00:51:12.980 When they turned up outside on those roads and waved to those truckers and said, thank you, truckers, it shook off that fog and that mind virus that a lot of Canadians were suffering from.

00:51:25.900 It ended the gaslighting for a lot of people.

00:51:28.500 It helped them realize, no, I'm not crazy. 0.83

00:51:30.800 The government's crazy.

00:51:32.600 And I think it was a turning point for a lot of people that helped them feel no longer alone.

00:51:39.140 And if that is the one thing the truckers have accomplished, they set a nation free.

00:51:44.480 Well, and what did they replace it with?

00:51:46.900 What did they replace the mind virus with?

00:51:49.260 What is the thing that appears?

00:51:50.560 I get emails every day from people thanking me for the sacrifice of the last year.

00:51:57.960 And they always have the same word in the opening sentence of describing how they feel.

00:52:05.120 And the word is hope.

00:52:07.120 Hope.

00:52:07.640 What the truckers did and all the Canadians who came out to support them on the highways and the overpasses and all the Canadians who went downtown to support the truckers and be there in protest and solidarity with them is they gave one another hope and they gave millions of Canadians hope.

00:52:25.840 And as it turned out, they gave millions of people around the world who are also under that same psychological nightmare, hope.

00:52:37.280 Keith, I think that's a great place to leave this interview.

00:52:42.520 Like I say, if the truckers have done nothing else, they gave not just Canadians hope, but they became a symbol of resistance to government tyranny all over the world.

00:52:51.240 I want to thank you so much for your participation in that, but also your advocacy for truckers and normal people during these dark and terrible times.

00:53:00.240 You're representing people who are up against the full force of the government.

00:53:03.860 And that is a big task.

00:53:07.460 And the government is a formidable foe with endless resources.

00:53:10.300 So I really admire your ability to stand up and speak truth to power.

00:53:15.820 And I'm sure we'll talk to you very, very soon.

00:53:19.600 We'll want some expert analysis of whatever the results of the Public Order Emergency Commission's findings are.

00:53:26.580 Absolutely.

00:53:28.460 I'll be happy to come back on and share with you what's in the report and any other events that might occur between now and then or thereafter.

00:53:37.520 Thanks so much, Keith.

00:53:39.460 Thank you for your kind words.

00:53:40.680 I appreciate it.

00:53:42.420 Stay with us.

00:53:43.620 Your letters to Ezra.

00:53:45.120 As always, unceremoniously read by me up after the break.

00:53:56.580 Well, friends, this brings us to the portion of the show where we invite your viewer feedback.

00:54:03.900 Unlike the mainstream media, we actually care about what you think about the work that we're doing here at Rebel News and the stories that we cover and the people that we speak to.

00:54:11.160 Now, today's letters come by way of a story I did yesterday when I was guest hosting for Ezra.

00:54:17.960 I sat down and I spoke with our Rebel News Pacific Northwest-based journalist, Katie Davis Court.

00:54:24.320 Katie Davis Court covers Antifa.

00:54:26.580 And because of that, Antifa hates Katie Davis Court. 0.99

00:54:31.580 They've robbed her in the past.

00:54:33.820 They stole her cell phone and all of her footage.

00:54:35.840 Well, this time she went out to cover an Antifa march in Seattle and she had four incredible professional security guards standing around her thanks to your generous crowdfunded donations to journalistdefensefund.com.

00:54:51.020 And it heartens me to know that you care about the safety of our journalists as much as we do here at Rebel News.

00:54:56.560 And because of those security guards, Katie was actually able to talk to Antifa and ask them questions.

00:55:02.580 It was quite astounding to see a sneak peek into their mind.

00:55:06.020 Now, Antifa is out on the march because they are protesting in solidarity with people who are protesting the police-involved killing of Tyree Nichols, a black man who was allegedly killed by five black police officers.

00:55:24.100 And a sixth police officers and a sixth police officer has so far been relieved of duties.

00:55:28.500 I think that, as though it matters, I'm not sure it does, but that sixth police officer, he's white.

00:55:34.840 Anyway, B3AR007 says, it literally has nothing to do with this poor man's life.

00:55:45.920 They're just looking for any reason to be domestic terrorists.

00:55:48.620 Yeah, of course.

00:55:50.620 Antifa, they need a catalyst to be out on the street causing mayhem, but they don't really actually believe so much in the cause that they are protesting against.

00:56:03.760 I mean, how does, you know, burning down a neighborhood or rioting or smashing windows do anything to protest police violence?

00:56:14.620 In fact, it probably invites police violence.

00:56:17.180 They just need a reason to be out there causing mayhem and anarchy.

00:56:20.540 But that's their only ideology, really, anarchy, lawlessness.

00:56:24.740 Rolf Muller, 54, says, I think they should make a law that it is forbidden to cover the face in protests.

00:56:30.880 They do this stuff because they're hidden.

00:56:35.360 Yeah, of course they do.

00:56:38.880 You know, it's funny, kind of unrelated, but it's also funny, too, is that during the pandemic, I think it was Edmonton or maybe Calgary police,

00:56:47.960 they put out a police sketch of someone who had committed a robbery and he was wearing like a COVID mask.

00:56:54.780 And it was ridiculous because how is anybody supposed to ID that guy?

00:56:59.920 He looks like every other man during the time of COVID.

00:57:04.000 And it was just laughable.

00:57:05.220 But this is exactly why Antifa covers their faces.

00:57:08.500 It's not because they're scared of reprisal.

00:57:12.960 They're scared of being arrested for their lawlessness.

00:57:16.360 Yeah, I think that's the point of the whole legal process, isn't it?

00:57:31.960 And I think waiting to pass judgment is always a good idea.

00:57:37.060 And we saw that with Nicholas Sandman.

00:57:40.540 He was the young man who was accused of mocking an Indigenous protester at the March for Life.

00:57:45.780 But once everybody waited and the broader context came out, it wasn't quite the story that was being passed off in the mainstream media.

00:57:54.060 Now, what I saw of this police-involved homicide, it looks bad.

00:57:58.800 It looks bad.

00:57:59.520 But that's why we have courts and that's why we have open courts so people can see the evidence as it's entered into evidence for themselves and that the whole process is transparent.

00:58:13.940 So it's true.

00:58:16.720 That is the hallmark of the legal system, innocent until proven guilty.

00:58:21.200 And that's, I think, what separates the Western world from, well, really, all the horrible places on the face of the earth.

00:58:31.500 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:58:33.660 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:58:34.920 Thank you to Olivia behind the board in HQ in Toronto for working so hard to put the show together.

00:58:41.840 And everybody who works behind the scenes to make sure the show is there when you want to click on it and watch it.

00:58:46.420 And special thanks to Keith Wilson, trucker lawyer, for that extended long-form interview where I got to pick his brain a little bit and sort of dig a little deeper into the things that the mainstream media sort of just gives a shallow acknowledgement of.

00:59:01.380 I think Ezra's back hosting tomorrow.

00:59:05.120 So, as Ezra Levant always says, keep fighting for freedom.

00:59:16.420 We'll see you next time.

Rebel News Podcast - February 01, 2023

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ One year on, looking back on the remarkable rise of the Freedom Convoy

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