Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID： Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says there is no business case for Canadian liquified natural gas

00:00:00.000 Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says there's no business case for liquefied natural gas.

00:00:04.040 We know that's not true, but even if it were, there's definitely a moral case.

00:00:08.180 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gun Show.

00:00:10.460 Oh, hey, everybody. Welcome to The Gun Show.

00:00:29.700 You're noticing a little bit of a different set today because I'm actually in the Toronto head office for a couple of days this week.

00:00:36.920 And incidentally, joining me is a fellow Albertan, Robbie Picard.

00:00:42.080 He is the founder of Oil Sand Strong.

00:00:43.780 And I wanted to talk to Robbie about a bunch of things, including his latest project, which we'll get to in a second.

00:00:49.760 But I wanted to talk to you, Robbie, about Justin Trudeau's comments that there is no business case for liquefied natural gas.

00:00:59.700 That's crazy, right? 1.00

00:01:00.600 That's the most ridiculous, stupid, ridiculously stupid, if I can say it one more time, ridiculously stupid comment that he's ever made. 1.00

00:01:10.420 And he's made quite a few ridiculously stupid comments. 1.00

00:01:12.340 Yeah, the bar is pretty high there. 1.00

00:01:14.060 I don't understand it at all because supplying Europe with energy could change the entire makeup of our country.

00:01:22.060 If he's so woke and cares about indigenous income, economic reconciliation, social programs, dental care, all of the things that they talk about that they want to try and achieve,

00:01:35.880 selling natural gas to Germany, to Europe would be the best thing that we could ever do. 0.99

00:01:42.140 It would benefit every single province.

00:01:44.180 I am blown away that he doesn't think there's a business case for it.

00:01:48.120 And now Qatar is going to benefit from it. 0.81

00:01:51.020 So every other country that has enough brains to sell their energy, Russia will continue to benefit from it. 0.92

00:01:57.880 And we, once again, have this, I don't know what it is, Stockholm syndrome, whatever you want to call it,

00:02:04.400 that we don't pursue our country's best interest when it comes to energy.

00:02:08.220 At the very least, even if there weren't a business case, there's a moral case for selling liquefied natural gas to places like Germany,

00:02:18.940 when right now they're buying, I think 50% of their energy comes from Russia.

00:02:23.400 And I'm reliably informed by the liberals that they are concerned that Russia is benefiting from everything and meddling in our politics.

00:02:32.020 If you actually cared about the Russian scare, wouldn't you want to offset Gazprom?

00:02:38.220 I've been asking myself this question for years.

00:02:42.980 Why don't we pursue our energy needs 100% to stop countries like Russia or Qatar or Saudi Arabia or Venezuela, dictator-type countries?

00:02:54.780 We're supposedly have the best environmental standards in the world.

00:02:58.700 We have free, we're a free country with human rights and we have ethics, but yet we don't pursue that in the energy sector.

00:03:06.820 I don't understand it.

00:03:08.180 I don't, I really, I wish I truly did.

00:03:10.820 I did speak to a bunch of people in Calgary that are involved in natural gas and their jaws are dropping because this is something that they want to pursue.

00:03:18.600 I mean, Germany, I would make an argument, is ahead of us when it comes to energy. 0.90

00:03:23.420 They've already tried wind and they've tried solar and now they're going back to coal because coal is cheap and reliable.

00:03:30.500 And if you care about human rights, cheap energy keeps human rights accessible.

00:03:37.100 I am blown away time and time again by this notion that somehow so-called renewable energy is somehow greener and has less impact on the environment.

00:03:49.200 It doesn't.

00:03:49.800 And in fact, I would argue when they pursue this mass production of electric everything to replace, you know, to replace gas or diesel-powered vehicles,

00:04:00.240 you are going to see more destruction of the planet than you've ever seen.

00:04:03.680 And it's already kind of starting.

00:04:06.080 Now, from what I'm told, there's countries in Europe now that are trying to ban certain times to drive electric cars.

00:04:11.460 They don't want you to plug your electric cars in because you're going to kill the grid.

00:04:14.740 So what this is doing is this is forcing people into poverty very fast for wokeness from, you know, a trust fund, not just Trudeau,

00:04:25.600 multiple trust fund babies who are in positions of power that determine what the world does because they're elected officials. 0.66

00:04:33.560 And it's scaring the shit out of everybody.

00:04:35.420 You know, you were in town last night for the Jordan Peterson event with the Democracy Fund. 0.52

00:04:41.600 And that was one thing that he mentioned was the Western world has no moral right to damn the developing world to energy poverty.

00:04:51.200 People need to be able to turn their lights on so that they can do their homework at night so that they aren't burning cow dung to cook their food over.

00:05:01.020 That's one of the leading causes of illness in the developing world is a lack of clean burning electricity, fossil fuels, where they are using wood and cow dung to cook their food inside their houses.

00:05:14.020 And that it's immoral for us to keep access to energy away from them in the name of saving the planet.

00:05:22.680 So I think the biggest problem that we have, so we're in Toronto, one of the largest cities in North America, definitely Canada's largest city.

00:05:29.520 And it is surrounded by benefits of fossil fuels, but a lot of people that live here don't understand that they don't recognize that their entire life exists because of fossil fuels, even if they're not burning them as far driving.

00:05:43.520 Like it takes fossil fuels for that battery to drive that Tesla, it takes fossil fuels to warm these giant towers.

00:05:51.540 And the disconnect is costing the world.

00:05:54.980 I don't believe there's any type of energy that is green.

00:05:58.940 And if they don't stop this insanity of pushing this agenda so fast, they do not care about the harm that it causes.

00:06:08.160 Fort McMurray is a great example.

00:06:09.300 When Jane Fonda came up and when I confronted them, then they kicked her out of town. 0.88

00:06:14.700 Before, there's not been a celebrity visit since, and I'm proud of that.

00:06:18.220 But here's the thing.

00:06:19.800 Greenpeace did not care about the Indigenous community in Fort McMurray.

00:06:23.820 They just wanted to use them to push their agenda.

00:06:26.660 And now that they've been kicked out and they're no longer welcome, and all the Indigenous communities have deals with oil and gas, which is good, they're on to the next thing. 1.00

00:06:33.700 But not everyone can stand up to these environmentalists effectively and win like we did in the Fort McMurray.

00:06:39.980 And I'm concerned because what they're doing is they're going to ruin lives.

00:06:45.660 And Trudeau has not...

00:06:47.800 It's real simple.

00:06:49.060 If Germany does not get their natural gas from Canada, they're going to get it from any other country that will sell it to them because their people need it to live.

00:06:57.300 You know, you can talk about future issues of the environment, then there's the immediate, I need to stay warm so I can feed my family and live.

00:07:05.600 And that is what's happening in Europe right now.

00:07:07.740 And I think that our Prime Minister, you know, I don't know if it's...

00:07:12.320 I don't think we've encountered this type of narcissism in politics before.

00:07:16.300 I also think everyone underestimates him.

00:07:19.100 He's not.

00:07:19.800 He's not stupid. 0.85

00:07:21.260 He's a seasoned politician. 0.85

00:07:22.860 Probably the most seasoned in the G7 or G8.

00:07:25.760 And we have to understand that, like, he has survived more...

00:07:31.020 You tell me a Prime Minister that could survive so much scandals between blackface and, you know, how many... 1.00

00:07:38.820 The kokanee grope. 1.00

00:07:40.080 Let us never forget.

00:07:41.800 The first...

00:07:44.600 What was Joni's title?

00:07:47.440 The Jody Wilson-Raybould.

00:07:48.980 The AG.

00:07:49.820 Yeah, the first Indigenous Attorney General of the country.

00:07:53.740 Gone.

00:07:54.060 The guy has survived scandal after scandal after scandal.

00:07:58.120 But here's the thing.

00:07:59.320 Like, I think for some politicians, I spent a lot of time in Ottawa.

00:08:02.120 And I didn't hate Ottawa as much as I thought I was going to.

00:08:04.720 But I actually learned a lot.

00:08:06.720 And it's a game in Ottawa.

00:08:08.880 But the game they play in Ottawa has major effects on the rest of us.

00:08:12.520 And I think that that is very scary.

00:08:14.700 Now, you talked a little bit about, or you sort of touched on, the Indigenous partnerships in liquefied natural gas.

00:08:22.980 I don't think people, maybe outside of the West, realize the amount of benefit to Indigenous communities if Canada developed liquefied natural gas.

00:08:37.420 Because so many Indigenous groups in Northern BC have partnerships with oil and gas companies.

00:08:46.640 And they would be the ones standing to benefit.

00:08:48.520 It will lift communities out of generational poverty.

00:08:51.240 But it happens to be white liberals in urban centers who are damning them to generational poverty.

00:08:56.560 So, I've interviewed a lot of Indigenous business leaders over the years.

00:09:02.820 And I interviewed Chief Crystal Smith from the Sailor Tube First Nation when I was in BC.

00:09:07.720 And they just landed the Coastal Gas Links project, which was huge.

00:09:11.440 My favorite, I didn't get to film this, it was so amazing.

00:09:14.700 This old guy comes up to me, maybe not really old, like 56 or something, right?

00:09:19.000 And he comes up to me and he says, I just want to tell you my story.

00:09:21.900 He's like, I got a job because of Coastal Gas Links.

00:09:24.560 And I'm going to be able to work 10 years, better my family, leave something for my grandkids.

00:09:29.920 And I'm like, well, you didn't work?

00:09:31.580 He's like, well, I've always tried to work, but it was hard because, you know, like I had...

00:09:34.780 There's no jobs.

00:09:35.480 Yeah, and he struggled, right?

00:09:36.940 A little bit.

00:09:37.420 And he's like, now I've got a good job.

00:09:39.460 And then you have people in Greenpeace and like Sapporo Berman that are going to take that from them.

00:09:45.140 Take that opportunity.

00:09:46.440 For what?

00:09:47.160 And the dignity.

00:09:48.180 The dignity of earning something and leaving something behind.

00:09:51.280 And that is where you have, I don't know what it is, but I would call them, I'm not even going to call them liberals.

00:09:58.040 You have a certain type of people that primarily live in cities that are candidly overeducated in a lot of ways, but have zero practical abilities in life. 1.00

00:10:06.520 Yeah, my mom used to call them overeducated, stupid people. 1.00

00:10:09.100 Overeducated, stupid people that are making decisions that affect the lives of other people. 1.00

00:10:14.080 And I've seen it time and time again. 1.00

00:10:15.280 Like when I was in Ottawa recently and I had a dinner with a bunch of press and they have zero clue what happens to the point where they don't understand.

00:10:24.860 Like, I don't believe they understand that milk comes from a cow.

00:10:27.240 Like, I don't think they get that.

00:10:30.280 Like, and it's because if you think about it, you live in a city your whole life.

00:10:33.320 You go to the grocery store.

00:10:35.120 It's there.

00:10:35.920 Right.

00:10:36.340 Right.

00:10:36.500 You don't understand that.

00:10:37.460 Like, it's a whole process to get milk from a cow.

00:10:39.960 You have to, the cow's got to get pregnant. 1.00

00:10:42.300 And then the cow has to have a calf. 0.99

00:10:44.240 That calf has to leave the cow and the cow has to go to a dairy farm.

00:10:47.360 And then that creates milk.

00:10:50.120 And I don't think they understand.

00:10:51.300 I don't think they understand by avoiding eating meat, they're actually causing more harm to animals because of all the extra land that's processed to create vegan stuff.

00:10:59.760 Sure.

00:11:00.200 Yeah.

00:11:00.300 So there's, it's just, there's such a disconnect.

00:11:03.820 And one of the conversations I actually had with Dr. Jordan Peterson last night is like, I don't necessarily feel like we're a country.

00:11:11.600 We're the second largest landmass in the world.

00:11:14.340 We're almost too big and too small to be a country sometimes because we are so spread apart with a smaller population that people from Newfoundland do not necessarily understand what had effects people in British Columbia.

00:11:27.200 Toronto is like its own ecosystem onto itself.

00:11:30.560 And if we don't start a proper dialogue fairly soon, we're going to have problems.

00:11:37.220 And, you know, I interviewed Daniel Smith, Premier Daniel Smith for Oil and Gas World magazine.

00:11:41.840 And a lot of people that I knew were like, oh my God, she's talking about separatism and with the Sovereignty Act.

00:11:46.800 And I'm like, it is about time that we had a premier who is willing to stand up for Alberta.

00:11:54.600 Yeah.

00:11:54.900 Because one of the things that I brought up when I was in Ottawa interviewing different politicians is like, our voting system is not fair.

00:12:01.760 No.

00:12:02.000 Because Quebec and Ontario can determine Alberta's future.

00:12:05.640 By the time the election is done here, it's over.

00:12:08.060 We might get to pick an opposition.

00:12:10.020 But if Alberta votes conservative every single time, it's not going to make a difference.

00:12:14.980 And so they said, well, you know, that's how the population is.

00:12:17.280 And I'm like, if the world was around like that, if the United Nations Security Council was ran based on world population, China and India would determine the entire future of the world often. 0.99

00:12:27.600 And I think if we're going to stay as a country, we need to start understanding that different regions have different issues.

00:12:35.080 And sure, Alberta has less population than Ontario and Quebec, but we don't have less money.

00:12:39.700 Right.

00:12:40.040 And the amount of money that leaves Alberta to support Quebec and their daycare and their social programs to keep their budget balanced.

00:12:48.900 It's insane and it's wrong.

00:12:51.100 And sorry to interrupt you, but we should not be abused either just because there's a few of us instead of a lot of us.

00:12:57.860 Exactly.

00:12:58.900 100%.

00:12:59.380 And so one of the things that happened, all of a sudden Strong's page has exploded this month.

00:13:04.220 Our reach is going to hit 40 million by the end of the week, which is pretty substantial.

00:13:07.500 More than everybody in Canada.

00:13:08.720 Combined out of the oil and gas defense stuff.

00:13:11.300 So I'm pretty proud of that.

00:13:13.400 And one of the things, I got a message from a mayor from Quebec and he said, well, I agree with you, but you're beating too hard on Quebec and what you need.

00:13:21.300 So I'm going to be going to Quebec to interview a bunch of Quebec mayors that are pro pipelines.

00:13:25.320 But what I said to him was, and he agreed with me, they know it.

00:13:31.000 I said, you had a balanced budget when we were going through tough times.

00:13:34.020 How was that proper?

00:13:35.920 Why should we be paying you to have a balanced budget?

00:13:39.080 Like, why are you not paying back into the system?

00:13:42.140 Which they never have really.

00:13:43.400 Right.

00:13:43.580 And he agreed.

00:13:44.580 And he said, well, and I'm like, so I'm like, here's the difference between Alberta and the rest of the country.

00:13:49.940 We are so generous.

00:13:51.240 We truly don't care that we pay transfer payments out.

00:13:53.600 It doesn't really bother Albertans.

00:13:55.160 If they let us work.

00:13:56.260 Or give us a pipeline.

00:13:58.860 Exactly.

00:13:59.420 Let us get a pipeline for the Energy East Pipeline so we don't have to ship oil all the way through the Panama Canal.

00:14:05.660 We're a country and we're sending oil through all the way around the whole world up to the Panama Canal to New Brunswick.

00:14:12.420 Why is that?

00:14:13.680 Why is that even a conversation?

00:14:15.540 Yeah.

00:14:15.660 And stop acting like with people from Quebec. 1.00

00:14:19.780 Like, you're not better than us, right?

00:14:21.420 Like, you're basically, you know, glorified welfare recipients taking all of our tax dollars to keep your programs going.

00:14:27.860 Because if you took the Alberta money out of the equation, the social programs in Quebec would not be quite as strong.

00:14:34.300 And if we honestly want to help each other, there's a lot of similarities between Quebec and Alberta in a lot of ways.

00:14:41.020 Oh, I'm very sympathetic to the things that they do now that they're doing them.

00:14:45.560 And now that as Albertans, we are looking at it and saying, okay, well, you're doing this in Quebec to protect your culture.

00:14:53.040 Yeah.

00:14:53.640 Why aren't we doing this?

00:14:54.800 Exactly.

00:14:55.980 Like, and it's even the responses.

00:14:58.320 Like, I was blown away by the amount she's getting attacked over it.

00:15:01.480 And I thought, I found myself, because I try to be nonpartisan.

00:15:04.980 It's not always easy for me.

00:15:06.500 But I thought, no way.

00:15:07.400 I'm going to defend Premier Daniel Smith here because she deserves us to have her back.

00:15:14.280 All she's saying is a fair deal for Alberta.

00:15:17.140 How many pipelines are canceled under Trudeau?

00:15:19.640 Energy East.

00:15:21.120 Northern Gateway.

00:15:21.580 Northern Gateway.

00:15:23.200 Keystone XL, debatable.

00:15:24.720 But you know what I mean.

00:15:26.000 And why is it, like, why don't we have a prime minister that represents all of us?

00:15:30.300 Why is he not, like, he makes statements like, you know, they're going to phase out the oil sands.

00:15:36.980 He hasn't been pro-Alberta, pro-pipeline.

00:15:39.340 Sure, they bought the Trans Mountain pipeline.

00:15:42.340 Yeah, the Trans Mountain.

00:15:43.480 They bought the Trans Mountain pipeline.

00:15:44.600 But nobody wanted them to buy it.

00:15:46.480 We just wanted them to let it get built.

00:15:48.240 And now that they've bought it, how many billions of dollars above cost it is because government can't run anything.

00:15:56.420 And I think that that's where, I think that's where we have a similarity with Quebec.

00:16:00.520 Get out of our business.

00:16:01.800 Let us run our, you know, run our province.

00:16:04.380 So I think that Daniel Smith is what we need right now.

00:16:07.980 We need some teeth. 0.99

00:16:09.140 And we need to stand up to the, I don't know.

00:16:11.880 It's almost like we're in an abusive relationship with Ottawa and we have to pay them alimony.

00:16:16.700 You know, speaking of that alimony, I was talking to somebody maybe a couple weeks ago and he said,

00:16:21.640 it sure would change the tune of the feds on pipelines if we started sending our equalization in the form of oil and gas. 0.95

00:16:30.880 Yeah.

00:16:31.080 If we said, no, here's the oil and gas in value, you market it, pretty soon we'd have every pipeline we ever wanted. 0.94

00:16:39.880 Well, and I think one thing that has come from like this, the situation in Ukraine with Russia is these woke morons who somehow think that we're going to get rid of fossil fuels. 0.99

00:16:52.040 It's ridiculous. 0.99

00:16:53.440 Like, you know, we're going to talk about Harry and Meghan. 0.93

00:16:55.600 Can I talk about Elton John?

00:16:56.820 Sure.

00:16:57.620 Here's his wokeness, okay? 1.00

00:16:58.840 This is what you're dealing with when you've got celebrity morons talking about energy. 0.99

00:17:03.580 So, well, I'm talking a little bit about Harry and Meghan. 0.99

00:17:05.860 He lent them their private jet, his private jet, right?

00:17:08.800 And he argued.

00:17:09.780 He's like, well, I bought carbon credits.

00:17:12.640 So this is what the woke think.

00:17:14.080 They go to these conferences.

00:17:15.180 They all take private jets to the climate change conference, right?

00:17:18.360 He thinks, because he's rich, he can buy credits to offset his jet set lifestyle.

00:17:24.860 Which the poor can't do. 0.63

00:17:25.740 Which they can't do.

00:17:26.640 And they're just trying to survive, you know?

00:17:29.260 Yeah.

00:17:30.120 They've even gone into my, I have a Yukon, right?

00:17:32.280 At Fort McMurray.

00:17:32.900 They've even gone into my Yukon.

00:17:34.640 I film all day.

00:17:36.080 And when it's 40 below, I want to run my car all day.

00:17:39.400 I don't care.

00:17:40.080 Because I'm in and out of it. 1.00

00:17:40.960 I can't do that anymore with the stupid fob. 1.00

00:17:42.820 So I started, it turns off. 1.00

00:17:45.320 I can't even leave it running.

00:17:46.640 Like, not that that's a big deal.

00:17:47.760 But that is what I'm saying.

00:17:48.940 Like, I'm in 40 below weather often, which is colder than most people.

00:17:52.960 And I'm trying to earn a living and do my job.

00:17:55.240 And now I can't even idle my Yukon.

00:17:59.240 So these people making these decisions for us, you know, it's insane.

00:18:03.960 They don't live like us. 0.97

00:18:05.280 They don't understand.

00:18:06.600 Well, and then when it affects them, like it did in Germany, now where they're worried,

00:18:11.200 like, how are we going to stay warm?

00:18:12.720 Well, then it's, well, we're all back to coal.

00:18:14.660 Burn, baby, burn, roll coal.

00:18:16.080 Yeah, let's get rid of the windmills.

00:18:17.300 We're going to get rid of this, right?

00:18:19.080 And meanwhile, we're taking the German model here. 1.00

00:18:22.160 How stupid are we? 0.99

00:18:23.580 We could look ahead in the future and be like, hey, that didn't quite work. 1.00

00:18:27.480 And then, you know, Alex Epstein said something the other day I was watching on Jordan Peterson's show.

00:18:32.820 And I thought, good point.

00:18:33.940 Why are, even myself, why have I not stood up for coal? 0.81

00:18:38.340 I have been.

00:18:39.540 I haven't.

00:18:40.120 I have not.

00:18:40.940 Yeah.

00:18:41.140 I have not.

00:18:41.640 I've been oil sands, oil sands, natural gas.

00:18:44.080 But I'm like, you know, I have a friend of mine who is a hardcore NDP supporter.

00:18:48.240 She was in Fort McMurray in the Parkland County region.

00:18:51.320 Yep.

00:18:51.880 And long story short, she said to me, she's like, you know, when the NDP came in here,

00:18:57.220 they leveled our community, which took years to recover from shutting down a coal.

00:19:02.640 And they're not going to recover.

00:19:04.600 They're not going to recover.

00:19:05.700 You look at Hanna, Alberta.

00:19:07.320 Yeah.

00:19:07.600 The town exists because of coal.

00:19:10.100 And, you know, when you think about people who have generations of their family have lived

00:19:15.480 and worked in the coal mine, and it is a good job.

00:19:17.900 It is a good paying job.

00:19:19.220 It's often a union job.

00:19:20.520 Yeah.

00:19:20.680 Where are the union activists to stand up for those jobs? 0.99

00:19:23.860 And those people reclaim the land.

00:19:26.100 You know, we've got industrial scrubbers.

00:19:28.260 If you test the air quality outside of a coal generating electricity plant, it's often way better than Vancouver.

00:19:36.340 So, and the problem is, is that we've somehow just said, I'm guilty of this too.

00:19:41.800 I got so caught up in the oil sands defense that I somehow thought like-

00:19:45.900 It's the same fight.

00:19:46.700 It's the same fight.

00:19:47.660 And I realized that closer and closer.

00:19:50.040 And it's like Germany's turning the coal back on.

00:19:54.080 Maybe instead of this notion we need to get rid of coal, maybe we just need to make it better or constantly monitor it, burn it better.

00:20:00.500 We do, though.

00:20:01.360 And that's what I'm saying.

00:20:02.400 Like, we've already started, but the world doesn't see it that way.

00:20:06.260 And that's what's scary.

00:20:08.000 Because when they see coal, they see China.

00:20:10.380 They don't see Genesee, Alberta.

00:20:12.420 They don't see Parkland County.

00:20:13.800 They don't see Paint Earth.

00:20:15.280 They don't see those places.

00:20:17.340 They see the particulate just being barfed into the sky by these Chinese coal mines.

00:20:22.820 Which none of the environmentalists seem to complain about, by the way.

00:20:26.300 So here's the other thing that really concerns me about the so-called environmentalists.

00:20:30.660 How quickly they're okay ruining people's lives.

00:20:32.980 Oh, it's so fast.

00:20:33.880 It's in a flash.

00:20:34.840 Your job, you're on the altar of green energy like that.

00:20:38.660 Yeah.

00:20:39.040 And when they devastate communities, right?

00:20:42.920 Where are they then?

00:20:44.300 Because they're still jet-setting.

00:20:46.000 They're still living their high affluent lifestyle.

00:20:47.920 One of my favorite things that did is when we took on Mike Adima.

00:20:51.440 Because Mike Adima used to...

00:20:52.740 From Greenpeace.

00:20:53.540 From Greenpeace.

00:20:54.240 He's not with them anymore.

00:20:55.620 But we took on Mike Adima. 1.00

00:20:57.080 And I've always thought that he was a useless hypocrite. 0.98

00:21:00.020 And I had a chance to talk to him one time at the tech. 0.99

00:21:02.820 He was there protesting tech.

00:21:04.740 And I wish I would have got into it with him there.

00:21:07.620 But he was posting.

00:21:09.560 At the same time, he was jumping on buildings and putting banners up.

00:21:13.340 And he actually staged a major protest at Shell in Fort McMurray where they had helicopters

00:21:18.340 above the mine where they put these banners out.

00:21:21.280 And he did all of that kind of stuff.

00:21:23.060 But meanwhile, the same time he was posting, I'm in Iceland.

00:21:26.020 I'm here.

00:21:26.540 I'm there.

00:21:26.940 I'm there.

00:21:27.260 And he was basically like a jet-setting traveler.

00:21:30.920 Yeah.

00:21:31.080 And I'm like, this is what we're dealing with.

00:21:35.120 And the best part of the Jane Fonda situation was, is filing the indigenous people in Fort 1.00

00:21:39.040 McMurray said no more.

00:21:40.840 Yeah.

00:21:41.300 Because you're affecting their jobs too.

00:21:43.940 They don't care.

00:21:44.980 And I think that we need a prime minister that's somewhere in the middle of it all, that wants

00:21:50.420 to have highest environmental standards, that understands that new technology is going

00:21:53.920 to pop up and it may or may not replace or improve what's there, but you are sitting on

00:22:01.060 a technology that has made the entire world a better, more equal, affordable place.

00:22:07.380 And you're just going to toss it aside for some wokeness that probably won't happen.

00:22:11.660 Even Elon Musk knows that we need fossil fuels more than ever.

00:22:17.740 And you can make that argument.

00:22:19.140 If there's one person that should not necessarily support fossil fuels, it could be the CEO of

00:22:23.800 Tesla.

00:22:25.040 And that's where I think that we have a problem.

00:22:28.420 And more and more people need to call out these so-called environmentalists.

00:22:32.200 Like, I mean, the hypocrisy, like Rich Elton John thinks that it's okay to fly two past

00:22:40.120 royals on a jet because he paid money for carbon credits, you know, so.

00:22:45.500 Now, tell me about your latest project, Oil & Gas World, because I think you're doing some

00:22:50.200 of that taking the fight to them, but also telling the stories of the people who are in

00:22:55.160 oil and gas.

00:22:56.140 And they're normal people.

00:22:57.440 It's not always CEOs.

00:22:59.260 It's just the normal people whose lives are being changed by oil and gas.

00:23:02.880 So I think our last interview, we were in Red Deer.

00:23:04.940 Yes.

00:23:05.400 And you were just sort of launching.

00:23:07.000 Yeah, I just launched Oil & Gas World magazine.

00:23:09.140 And Oil & Gas World magazine is not just a magazine.

00:23:11.380 It's all digital.

00:23:12.300 Every interview I do is digital.

00:23:13.560 And I've already interviewed over 150 people.

00:23:15.380 And there's a video component.

00:23:16.640 There's a video component on oilandgasworld.ca, which will be the website.

00:23:20.400 And we did a print magazine.

00:23:22.060 I was actually surprised.

00:23:23.180 I did the print magazine just to give people.

00:23:25.280 Yeah.

00:23:25.420 And I've given out probably 15,000 copies now.

00:23:29.040 And people really like it.

00:23:29.980 I read it.

00:23:30.260 They read it cover to cover.

00:23:31.440 Yep.

00:23:32.000 So when Pierre Pauly, I wore my hoodie in Ottawa.

00:23:37.080 It was like a year and a half ago.

00:23:38.260 Yeah, a year and a half ago.

00:23:39.300 And the Carleton Liberal Association tried to say we're a white supremacist.

00:23:41.900 And then they took it down.

00:23:43.440 We sold a ton of hoodies online.

00:23:45.460 My revenge was I'd get a bus and start a magazine and travel across the country interviewing people.

00:23:50.440 Because I thought the sheer arrogance disconnect from the so-called elites from Ottawa.

00:23:57.280 They didn't know me.

00:23:58.080 They didn't know the organization.

00:23:59.240 They don't think about Oil & Gas World.

00:24:00.120 They haven't been in Fort McMurray.

00:24:01.760 But they call it, like, call me many things.

00:24:03.440 You can call me a lot.

00:24:04.280 But you can't call me a white supremacist.

00:24:05.520 That's just something that's not who I am.

00:24:07.680 You're indigenous.

00:24:08.620 Yes.

00:24:08.900 I'm Métis.

00:24:09.520 I'm also gay.

00:24:10.700 That very day, I was filming a bunch of my black friends.

00:24:13.020 They wanted to do, it was really funny when that happened.

00:24:14.660 Because they called me, Robbie, we want to do this funky video.

00:24:18.300 And they wanted to do a dance video in the hoodie.

00:24:20.380 And I was actually kind of, like, trying to film it.

00:24:22.860 So I was like, you know, you can say everything.

00:24:25.420 But, like, if I was a white supremacist, I certainly would not be going out of my way to film friends of mine who are black in our hoodie that support Fort McMurray.

00:24:35.920 Because Fort McMurray is very multicultural.

00:24:37.400 I'm multicultural.

00:24:37.880 That's what I was going to say.

00:24:38.500 It speaks to how little these people actually know about Fort McMurray.

00:24:43.540 A lot of immigrants come there because there are a lot of jobs.

00:24:46.500 And it is surrounded by indigenous communities.

00:24:48.920 Well, what they're doing is, and I think the only way they win over and over again is because they somehow try to paint people a certain way.

00:24:57.780 You have gay people who are conservative.

00:24:59.960 You have gay people who like Dr. Jordan Peterson. 0.85

00:25:02.280 You have black people who don't ever want to vote NDP that are so pro-oil. 0.99

00:25:09.700 So I think, like, and the fact is the majority of indigenous people support the oil and gas industry.

00:25:15.880 I would suggest that there's no more an indigenous industry in this country than oil and gas. 0.98

00:25:21.120 Most oil and gas projects are in indigenous communities.

00:25:23.980 That's where they get to work and live.

00:25:25.960 Well, and I think the thing that the oil companies have done, and frankly, the indigenous companies now, there are oil producers, right?

00:25:33.820 Like, for my marketing company, like, 95% of them are indigenous-owned businesses, right?

00:25:39.680 So when they make that, when they made that statement that was just so kind of bizarre, it completely caught me off guard.

00:25:45.240 I was just blown away.

00:25:46.320 So, but I thought about many things.

00:25:48.640 I thought I could go to Ottawa.

00:25:49.560 I could demand an apology.

00:25:50.860 I could do, I thought, I'm going to do one better.

00:25:52.680 I'm going to take time and go across the country and talk to people.

00:25:56.720 And here's a lesson that I learned being in Ontario that I think that we all need to learn very, very badly.

00:26:03.300 If I'm in Ottawa, I don't care what happens in Fort McMurray.

00:26:06.840 And if I'm in Fort McMurray, I don't necessarily care about what happens in Ottawa.

00:26:11.220 So one of the things that I've done is I've taken time to have dialogue and conversation and talk to people.

00:26:18.340 And I sold, by the time I got to Upsla, which is on the way to Thunder Bay, I sold out of all of my hoodies.

00:26:24.520 I got pulled over more time on, and I was trying to lie low because I didn't want to be.

00:26:28.840 You're lying low in a bus with a big logo of your company on the side?

00:26:32.540 I'm not sure, Robbie.

00:26:33.960 Well, normally, I would have done a lot more promoting of it, but I wanted to get there in one piece, right?

00:26:39.660 And I wanted to, you know, so it went viral, but it was a different kind of viral.

00:26:43.520 It was very word of mouth.

00:26:44.520 Right.

00:26:44.960 And people were pulling me over on the highway.

00:26:46.800 They were talking to me.

00:26:48.140 I saw people tweeting about you.

00:26:50.180 I was sending tweets like, oh, we saw Robbie's bus.

00:26:53.040 It got a lot of attention.

00:26:54.200 Yeah.

00:26:54.380 But it was good attention.

00:26:55.560 And one of the things that I realized is that we had solid dialogue.

00:26:59.700 And that is the goal of this.

00:27:01.140 The goal, like, I want to move the needle.

00:27:02.600 I don't just want to have, you know, millions of reach.

00:27:04.980 I want to make it so people in Ontario and Quebec understand where we're coming from and hopefully support us.

00:27:12.280 Like, go to their, you know, their politicians and say, look, why are we being so nasty to a province that has given us so much, including our higher level of standard of living, which has a great deal because of Alberta.

00:27:28.080 Right.

00:27:29.040 So how do people find your magazine, get involved?

00:27:32.180 I know you're looking for advertisers.

00:27:33.860 100%.

00:27:34.180 I need a ton of money.

00:27:35.300 Let's just be clear here.

00:27:36.640 I need big money.

00:27:38.200 Okay.

00:27:38.520 So I might actually do a Go or a GIF Send Go because apparently GoFundMe is not cool anymore.

00:27:43.020 Yeah.

00:27:43.460 So I might do a GIF Send Go.

00:27:45.000 But truthfully, go to oilandgasworld.ca or oilsandstrong.com or robicpicard.com.

00:27:51.780 And there'll be links there on how we want to get subscribers to this.

00:27:54.940 Yeah.

00:27:55.280 And we'll mail them copies.

00:27:56.540 I'd like to buy our shirts.

00:27:58.660 We have a new order of T-shirts and hoodies coming out.

00:28:00.700 Great.

00:28:01.540 And that's kind of where it is.

00:28:03.160 And we have great content.

00:28:04.340 There's going to be lots of interviews and lots of people that we've talked to.

00:28:07.440 That's excellent.

00:28:08.560 Including.

00:28:09.440 Oh, great.

00:28:10.940 And every person that we interview, we get a painting done of them.

00:28:13.680 So we.

00:28:15.380 You came to my house.

00:28:17.080 I did.

00:28:17.880 I took them out for a rip on my quad.

00:28:20.420 So if you look closely, you got, I had, Russell Thomas did a beautiful painting of the lovely

00:28:26.520 Sheila Gunn-Reed, who's now in perfect shape, who, you know, doesn't eat until two o'clock 1.00

00:28:31.760 and works out every day.

00:28:33.080 I do.

00:28:33.760 Makes me feel guilty because I had breakfast this morning.

00:28:35.980 So I was like, but no, it's, but yeah.

00:28:37.960 So I, and I'm interviewing a lot of conservatives.

00:28:40.200 I've got a lot of politicians.

00:28:41.620 And it's a peek inside of our lives.

00:28:43.280 Like it's, you see a different side of people that you see in the mainstream media, but you

00:28:47.960 see that other side of them.

00:28:49.060 Well, you know, I know a lot of people from like both the right and the left.

00:28:51.920 And I've, I've, I've talked to a lot of people, but I will say in my personal journey through

00:28:56.220 the advocacy and setting everything up that I have, the nicest, most kindest people to

00:29:00.700 me have been the conservative people.

00:29:02.040 You better believe it.

00:29:03.120 And unfortunately, conservatives don't come across the same way.

00:29:07.020 It's one of the things I said to the conservatives.

00:29:09.000 I said, like, like I, here's a, here's a tip, any conservative politician watching right

00:29:12.720 now.

00:29:12.880 Okay.

00:29:13.940 Rachel Notley will take a picture of Thanksgiving dinner and she'll have dirty dishes in the 1.00

00:29:18.160 background.

00:29:18.760 People connect to that.

00:29:20.080 Whereas conservatives tend to want everything perfect.

00:29:22.380 It's my perfect tree.

00:29:23.300 And this is everything like, you know what I mean?

00:29:24.960 I think conservatives need to, to show a little bit more of their personal side.

00:29:29.620 So the, the people that are not necessarily conservative liberal, that are kind of the swing

00:29:33.460 voters can connect on a, on a little bit more of a human level.

00:29:37.080 That is my one suggestion.

00:29:38.180 I think that that, and that is what I'm trying to do for people that I, I interview.

00:29:41.400 I want to make sure that I'm getting their true, a true story, but I don't want, it's

00:29:45.340 not all about business all the time.

00:29:46.820 Like what is the point of all of this?

00:29:48.660 If you don't enjoy your family or you don't enjoy your life?

00:29:51.320 Great.

00:29:51.960 Robbie, thanks so much for taking the time.

00:29:54.200 Thank you for having me.

00:29:54.980 Yeah.

00:29:55.320 It was a real treat to be in a different environment talking to you instead of over Zoom

00:30:00.260 or Skype.

00:30:00.880 Thanks everybody for tuning in.

00:30:03.380 We'll see everybody, well, not back here in the same time, in the same place next week.

00:30:07.720 I'll probably be back in studio, but as always, don't let the government tell you that you've

00:30:12.640 had too much to think.

00:30:13.640 We'll see you then.

00:30:14.500 We'll see each other.

00:30:18.740 We'll be right back.

Rebel News Podcast - December 15, 2022

SHEILA GUNN REID： Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says there is no business case for Canadian liquified natural gas

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