Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Scott Moe Survives Leadership Review at Sask Party Convention

00:00:00.000 The Saskatchewan party convention just wrapped up and Scott Moe got 80% or above in his leadership review.

00:00:08.580 We're talking about it today with the Saskatchewan panel.

00:00:10.940 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gun Show.

00:00:30.000 You know what? I'm just going to cut right to it.

00:00:33.760 The Saskatchewan party had their convention.

00:00:36.380 They made, I think, substantial and important policy change.

00:00:41.640 And Scott Moe passed his leadership review with Flying Colors.

00:00:46.140 And I'm bringing in the Saskatchewan soapbox panel to talk about it.

00:00:50.160 So take a listen.

00:00:51.260 So joining me now are two people who make up the three of us on a panel that we're calling The Saskatchewan Soapbox.

00:01:06.200 I'm not from Saskatchewan, but I'm from Fort Saskatchewan.

00:01:08.880 So I think that's close enough.

00:01:10.380 Joining me today are a familiar face to Rebel News viewers, Elise Merle, my very best real life best friend.

00:01:18.360 And Michael Koros.

00:01:20.140 He is a Saskatchewan-based political commentator.

00:01:24.340 And we have to talk about the Saskatchewan party convention.

00:01:29.120 I've been calling it the AGM, but I think it was a convention is how they've described it over the weekend in Saskatoon.

00:01:36.080 First, let's talk about how this was the biggest convention ever, roughly three times larger than previous ones.

00:01:45.080 And there was a very obvious reason for that.

00:01:48.060 I'll go to Michael first.

00:01:49.140 Yeah, there's about 900 delegates.

00:01:51.420 And just to be fair with the audience, I was a delegate.

00:01:54.680 You two were there as accredited media, but I was there as a delegate because I am a member of the Saskatchewan party.

00:02:00.700 900 delegates in attendance.

00:02:02.740 The night before were a number of hospitality rooms.

00:02:06.460 And the actual convention took place on Saturday and it was big.

00:02:10.840 It was a gathering of people that had not seen each other for a while.

00:02:15.620 And the mood was surprisingly optimistic after being in power.

00:02:21.960 The day before, the day before, actually the day of the receptions was the anniversary, the 18th anniversary of the first Saskatchewan party election back all the way back to November 7th of 2007 when Bradwell became the first Stats party premier.

00:02:38.580 So the Saskatchewan party has been in power for 18 years now.

00:02:42.740 So I thought it might have been a little tired and a little worn out, but the delegates were surprisingly upbeat in this convention.

00:02:53.580 That's what I saw, too.

00:02:57.180 They were also real happy to see us.

00:02:59.920 Hey, Lise. 1.00

00:03:01.660 Okay, so just selfishly, selfishly, we weren't there to pump our own tires.

00:03:09.600 But my goodness, did we have a time with the delegates who were effusive about seeing us at Rebel News.

00:03:15.880 So just to set a visual for you guys, we were corralled in like a media gulag at the back of the room in this media rectangle.

00:03:24.660 No, we didn't have to be there.

00:03:26.000 I should point out we didn't have to be there.

00:03:27.500 We chose to be there.

00:03:29.420 Usually I sort of mingle with the people at these sorts of things because I don't like to sit with the media.

00:03:34.900 I think they prefer, I feel like the feeling's mutual, but we chose to sit there just to flex our muscles a little bit.

00:03:42.220 Anyways, I'll let you continue.

00:03:43.180 Yes, so there was two tables of media, a humongous long table with all of the lamestream, you know, the CTV, the CJME, the CBC, the Canadian Press and Sask Today, all with federal funding.

00:03:55.260 And then there was a media table just behind them with all of us rebels, all of us independent media people.

00:04:01.940 And we were stationed right beside the staircase, the glass staircase, coming into the venue.

00:04:07.540 So if you were walking in or out of the venue, you were going to see our faces.

00:04:11.620 And the number of people, I would say, I would say it was probably in the hundreds that greeted us so warmly, unabashedly loving Rebel News for being there.

00:04:23.600 Rebel News, thanks so much for being, oh, we love you girls.

00:04:26.800 Thanks so much for being here.

00:04:28.800 We love your work.

00:04:30.020 Keep it up.

00:04:30.580 It was the best tire pumping I've received personally in my entire life.

00:04:36.060 And the best part about it was the mainstream media had to listen to all of that love that we were getting from the table in front of us.

00:04:46.380 So we just took it.

00:04:47.320 We love you guys back.

00:04:48.680 Thanks so much for being such warm, hospitable hosts to us, for being open to us.

00:04:54.640 And like Michael said, the mood of the delegates was effusive.

00:05:01.360 People were excited to be there, excited to see their friends, excited to talk about the direction of the Saskatchewan party and the way that they're going to go.

00:05:10.940 And there were some notable changes in the party, which I'm sure we're going to talk about later.

00:05:15.220 But all in all, it was an absolutely fantastic weekend.

00:05:18.880 And I'm so happy to have seen everybody there.

00:05:21.220 Yeah, that was kind of fun to have the people walk past, say, oh, my goodness.

00:05:26.300 Hi, girls. 0.99

00:05:27.000 Thanks so much for coming.

00:05:28.460 And then say, you know, it's great to have the real media here into the ear of the other media.

00:05:35.980 All day long, it was like that.

00:05:38.060 And that's how it's like everywhere.

00:05:40.360 If we ever question the impact that rebel media is actually having in the political realm in Canada,

00:05:49.260 I got a chance to have a little bit of a one-on-one with Premier Moe.

00:05:54.280 And one of the first remarks he made to me was, so you're doing a little bit of work with rebel media, eh?

00:06:00.120 That was one of the first remarks that he had seen.

00:06:02.860 And I have been on this program a couple of times.

00:06:05.920 I've been on your program a couple of times.

00:06:07.440 And so it hasn't been, I don't have a lengthy body of work with rebel media, but the Premier.

00:06:12.980 So at the highest level of the government of Saskatchewan, they're very well aware of what rebel media is doing in the province and in the country.

00:06:21.820 So this is not just some sort of, you know, small sort of startup.

00:06:28.200 This is something that's having a major impact, I believe, on the political players in this country.

00:06:34.100 You know, despite the fact that there's many that don't want it to be having an impact.

00:06:39.180 But that's one of the first things that Premier Moe said to me.

00:06:42.000 Like, I've known Scott since before he was a Premier, but it was an interesting comment.

00:06:47.020 I found that really interesting.

00:06:48.620 It means that they're watching.

00:06:50.320 Yeah, for sure.

00:06:51.260 And, you know, when we do criticize them, and we do, they know that it is coming from a place of fairness.

00:06:57.620 You know, it's not like the CBC where they just absolutely hate conservatives.

00:07:01.720 Look, I'm conservative.

00:07:03.220 And so when I criticize conservative governments, it's an honest criticism.

00:07:08.920 I'm not just coming at it because I love Mark Carney so much.

00:07:11.380 I can't, I can't contain myself.

00:07:13.220 And I think conservative politicians know that.

00:07:16.920 Now, I wanted to talk about the size of the convention because Scott Moe was facing a leadership review.

00:07:24.420 And he was facing a leadership review.

00:07:28.240 I think people have been critical of Scott Moe because they did lose 14 seats to the NDP.

00:07:37.400 There was damn near a white belt in the urban parts of the province for the Saskatchewan party.

00:07:44.040 And so he was up against that.

00:07:46.840 And I think the Saskatchewan party really worked hard, at least the Scott Moe faction of the conservative party, really worked hard to get the vote out for him.

00:07:54.840 I'll go to Michael.

00:07:55.700 Yeah, they did, actually.

00:07:57.860 I received a call of someone who knew that I was going to be there.

00:08:02.620 And he asked me a question, would I be supporting Scott?

00:08:05.220 And so basically the friends and the associates were basically out working the phones.

00:08:13.980 The reason being is basically they thought that if Scott would have gotten lower than 80%, it would have given some momentum to the NDP.

00:08:21.640 Now, in my opinion, quite frankly, when you're three years away from an election, momentum to the NDP at this particular point is a non-starter.

00:08:30.740 It doesn't really matter, right?

00:08:31.740 By the way, the NDP just had a convention probably about two weeks ago, and they only had 600 delegates, whereas this last party had 900.

00:08:41.140 So basically we're, you know, a third better than them.

00:08:43.880 There is some talk basically about whether or not Scott Moe can pull it off basically because a lot of people blame him for the reduction in seats.

00:08:51.840 You're right, Sheila.

00:08:52.780 You know, he doesn't have the stylings that we're used to, like with Brad Wall.

00:09:02.520 Unfortunately, in politics, basically, either you define your brand or somebody else defines your brand.

00:09:08.580 And if Scott could talk to every person in Saskatchewan, which of course is physically impossible, they would realize how nice and decent of a guy this guy is.

00:09:17.360 Oh, he's lovely and extraordinarily personable when you get him one-on-one.

00:09:25.440 I wish the people of Saskatchewan would see the Scott Moe that we get to see.

00:09:31.480 He's got the charisma in person.

00:09:34.360 I think that he's been overly handled and overly policed and overly limited in what he could say.

00:09:40.180 But in his defense, he did say that he takes responsibility for the results of the last election.

00:09:48.960 And he also said a little humility goes a long way.

00:09:52.220 And I appreciated that a lot.

00:09:54.500 Yeah.

00:09:54.680 And he seems, when he does his speeches, he does rattle off lots of numbers.

00:10:02.900 He's very technical when he actually speaks to a crowd, right?

00:10:05.900 That's not who he really is because he's a lot more personable than what he is.

00:10:11.340 Oh, lovely, yeah.

00:10:12.560 But people basically are used to him speaking in a way that I wouldn't call stilted, but it's very stiff.

00:10:21.640 And they're not used to it because everybody compares him naturally to the first premier of the Saskatchewan party, Brad Wall, who basically was very warm and could really do it.

00:10:30.900 But these are two totally different men when it comes to speaking styles, maybe not in terms of opinions, but when it comes to speaking styles and the way they handle themselves.

00:10:42.240 So I'm just going to go back to next year, or excuse me, last year before the election.

00:10:47.220 And it was my advice that Scott Moe took an opportunity to really humanize himself for the Saskatchewan electorate.

00:10:57.320 I think it would have gone out a real long way ahead of the last election.

00:11:01.560 But if we could continue, like if the people of Saskatchewan got to know the Scott Moe that we get to know, they would have a completely different opinion of him.

00:11:10.580 He's extraordinarily charismatic in person.

00:11:14.860 He's funny in person.

00:11:17.020 And this is a Scott Moe that the people of Saskatchewan deserve to know.

00:11:20.040 He's lovely.

00:11:21.300 He's also very kind.

00:11:22.620 He's a good guy.

00:11:24.320 Seriously, he's a really, really good guy.

00:11:27.020 So, you know, there are a faction of Saskatchewan supporters.

00:11:31.040 What I found interesting was the fact that when the results of the leadership review came by, they announced them at north of 80%, but they didn't give the actual number.

00:11:43.560 So, we don't know if that was 79.5%, 89%.

00:11:49.500 Or 89.5%.

00:11:51.000 Yes, exactly.

00:11:52.200 There's a mile wide difference between those things.

00:11:53.540 I'm suspecting it probably was on the lower end of 80%, right?

00:11:56.960 Because you both heard sort of the rumblings of what I would refer to as very strong conservatives in the party that don't believe that Saskatchewan party is conservative enough.

00:12:10.060 Heard it all day.

00:12:11.180 All day.

00:12:12.040 Right.

00:12:12.220 And there is a concern that social and fiscal conservatives in Saskatchewan don't really have a place to put their vote as it pertains to the Saskatchewan party, which is a problem that the Saskatchewan party is going to have to deal with.

00:12:28.860 I mean, they want to take back the cities, and that was a big, big campaign that they had sort of launched at convention, was earn back Regina and earn back Saskatoon.

00:12:42.680 But they must not do that at the expense of their conservative rural base.

00:12:48.500 As a matter of fact, I think that it would be a good idea if the Saskatchewan party attempted to import the good sense of rural Saskies into the urban areas.

00:13:00.780 Rural Saskies are full of amazing, great conservative ideas, and that's who Sask party should prioritize in their way forward.

00:13:08.900 I don't see them doing that right now, and I'd like to see more of it.

00:13:13.860 Now, just as an outsider looking in, I noticed a very prominent absence of members of the federal conservative party at the convention.

00:13:27.540 And for me, that's odd, because, you know, I cover UCP conventions here in Alberta, and the federal party at least makes their presence known as sort of a united front against the NDP or the liberals or whatever, against the left.

00:13:45.000 And I only heard a rumor that federal conservative Brad Redekop had been at one of the hospitality seats, but I never laid eyes on a federal conservative the whole time.

00:13:55.860 And I thought, where's Andrew Scheer?

00:13:57.020 You know, like, where's Kelly Block?

00:13:58.120 Like, where are the federal members of the party to show support for the provincial conservatives?

00:14:03.880 I just didn't see it.

00:14:05.620 I thought it was weird.

00:14:06.260 Actually, I did run into Brad Redekop.

00:14:07.680 He was there.

00:14:09.040 But as far as I saw, he may have been the only conservative MP there at the time.

00:14:15.000 So, he was the only one I saw.

00:14:16.440 I didn't see Kelly.

00:14:17.300 I didn't see Kevin Wah.

00:14:18.260 I didn't see Corey Tucker.

00:14:19.960 I didn't see any of that.

00:14:21.060 I just wanted to see Kevin Wah.

00:14:22.700 Yeah.

00:14:23.280 I did.

00:14:24.340 Yeah, no, so it's a very good point.

00:14:26.940 I'm not sure if this is the conservatives not wanting to be at the SAS Party convention or the SAS Party organizers not wanting to have the conservative MPs at their convention.

00:14:43.240 I don't know which one it is.

00:14:45.340 Or if it's just a matter of bad planning.

00:14:48.280 I don't know which one it is.

00:14:49.020 Well, and that could very well be because we can say truthfully and honestly on this program that getting media accreditation for Rebel News to attend that event was a weeks-long process that was much more complicated than it should have been.

00:15:05.020 It was disorganized.

00:15:05.660 I'm not saying they were trying to keep us out.

00:15:08.120 I just thought the organization kind of stank.

00:15:10.100 It was bad.

00:15:11.080 And I think maybe it was scaling up from 300 people.

00:15:15.980 I mean, we have Rebel News events that hit 300 people.

00:15:18.540 Easy.

00:15:18.860 To a nearly 1,000-person event, I think just scaling up, you know, a couple hundred percent could be challenging for party organizers, given the benefit of it.

00:15:29.880 But it could also be, I mean, it could also be explained by just having a chilly relationship between the SAS.

00:15:39.120 Again, the SAS party is 18 years old.

00:15:42.060 The Conservative Party of Canada has their way of doing things.

00:15:44.700 The SAS party has their way of doing things.

00:15:46.540 And they may have just lost touch with each other.

00:15:50.020 But to say that it's important for the SAS party to link arms with the conservatives at this time is a gross understatement.

00:15:59.440 They should absolutely be sort of brothers in arms in all of this.

00:16:02.860 Yeah, and so one of the things that changed recently in the Saskatchewan party is the longtime executive director, Patrick Bundrock, who'd been there for 15 years, just recently stepped down.

00:16:13.900 And I think he's working in exec council now.

00:16:16.560 So his acting, the interim executive director, fairly new with the job, basically, may not have had as much knowledge about the media accreditation because it would have been his first convention.

00:16:30.800 So the new guy, I won't mention his name because I don't want people to think that he did this deliberately.

00:16:37.900 It was hard to get the information from him.

00:16:40.300 But the thing is, when he found out, and I was the one who finally got him to get you guys to call, to get him to call you guys, when he finally found out that basically he kind of, I think, inadvertently didn't send the email that needed to go out to you or you were missed on the list or whatever.

00:16:58.640 But the moment I got off the phone with him, you got the email within five minutes.

00:17:03.420 Yeah.

00:17:03.900 So, but another event happened within the convention itself that really sort of perked up my ears.

00:17:11.800 And it was when the comms person from the Sask party approached the media booth to tell the media what was going to happen, where we were supposed to be, where the premier would be standing, what the process was going to be.

00:17:25.420 The Sask party person talked to one member of the mainstream media, okay, walked up, whispered something to one member of the mainstream media and left. 0.89

00:17:35.860 And we, we were like, what, what just happened here?

00:17:38.980 Were they, like, what, the, the, the communication was lacking.

00:17:43.320 I will say that they can do better in that regard.

00:17:45.320 And especially where they have friends in the media, in the room, they can do a much, much better job.

00:17:51.040 So just all of this constructive criticism, listen, we're here.

00:17:54.760 We do not want to, an NDP government.

00:17:56.760 It's honest.

00:17:57.020 Yes.

00:17:57.920 We do not want an NDP government for, for Saskatchewan.

00:18:01.280 We want the Sask party and conservatives to be, to be successful, but we're here to help.

00:18:07.520 Okay.

00:18:08.080 We're here to help, have a better next convention.

00:18:10.580 That's a very interesting story, actually.

00:18:12.260 I wasn't, I wasn't aware of that.

00:18:13.760 Yeah.

00:18:14.640 Yeah.

00:18:14.920 It was obvious.

00:18:15.780 It's good that we're snoopy.

00:18:16.840 Look.

00:18:17.240 We're so snoopy and paying attention to everything.

00:18:19.620 Did she just say where the press conference was going to be with the premier afterwards?

00:18:22.960 We actually had to get up.

00:18:24.420 And I was like, I'm going to the front.

00:18:25.620 Okay.

00:18:25.880 We had to get up and chase her through the room to be like, what did you, well, I said.

00:18:31.280 Chris Oldcorn from Western Standard was sitting beside us.

00:18:34.160 And I just stood up and started packing up my stuff.

00:18:36.480 And he's like, where are you going?

00:18:37.620 I said, this is how we got all the questions at the debate.

00:18:41.560 Watch.

00:18:42.640 It's so, I was just like, we're just going.

00:18:45.560 We're, we're not waiting for instruction.

00:18:47.500 As, as my good friend, Kate McMillan from Small Dead Animals does.

00:18:50.960 She has a, she has a series of blog posts that says mischief is important.

00:18:57.400 Yes.

00:18:57.840 And you two, when you two are put together in a room, you're absolutely hilarious at some of the things that you do.

00:19:07.440 Would you like to talk about the poppies?

00:19:11.460 Oh, I would love to talk about the poppies.

00:19:14.220 Because this is absolutely hilarious.

00:19:17.740 Go ahead.

00:19:18.340 Civic duty, civic duty comes in many forms, as you'll soon find out with this story.

00:19:24.000 So we are, it's hard to hang on to your poppy.

00:19:29.100 It just disappears off your jacket.

00:19:30.780 So we were stuffing 20s in the poppy bin at our hotel all weekend.

00:19:35.160 And then we were coming down because we were headed across the street to the convention.

00:19:39.380 Lease stops, stuffs a 20 and grabs between 13 and 15 poppies, which would get us through the day.

00:19:46.360 But then she sits down, puts a spread of them across the table.

00:19:52.220 And then Auntie Lease grabs them, walks up to our colleagues, I suppose, in the media booth, in the mainstream media, and starts giving them poppies. 0.97

00:20:06.020 And then she starts offering them poppies.

00:20:08.020 I didn't even ask how you were received, but you came in so hot and so Auntie Lease that I don't think they had a choice than to take it and stick it on.

00:20:16.820 You just knew that they wouldn't have poppies.

00:20:19.620 And none of them have poppies.

00:20:22.020 Like, none of them.

00:20:22.680 No.

00:20:23.220 She knew.

00:20:24.440 Well, I mean, I walked by that table.

00:20:27.200 I didn't see anybody with poppies on.

00:20:29.080 And I thought to myself, how embarrassing.

00:20:32.020 Even though these are our competitors, they are much younger than us.

00:20:35.680 I don't want them showing up on the news without a poppy. 1.00

00:20:39.440 Okay.

00:20:39.640 That would be the worst look imaginable.

00:20:42.120 So I just bounced up as I do.

00:20:44.380 I go into every social situation like a golden retriever, just bound in every room, start licking people's faces and saying, hey, guys, I'm Lease Rowe from Rebel News.

00:20:52.760 Brought you guys some poppies.

00:20:54.220 Have a great day.

00:20:55.200 And then, again, so they all put their poppies on.

00:20:59.100 They were actually very, very nice kids.

00:21:01.300 I don't have.

00:21:01.760 Listen, we don't have anything against the kids working at CBC.

00:21:05.180 We hate their parent companies.

00:21:06.940 Fair enough.

00:21:07.600 Right.

00:21:07.780 I don't like their bosses.

00:21:09.160 That's exactly right.

00:21:10.060 But they were sweet and appreciative.

00:21:15.920 But what I didn't know, what I didn't know was as I was offering the media their poppies that I had thought ahead and brought for them, Sheila Gunn-Reed was getting it all on video.

00:21:26.240 Like, I didn't know that this was happening, so then I got to watch it later.

00:21:30.380 And it's such a classic.

00:21:31.400 It was a classic Lease move.

00:21:33.120 It's just a bounce up.

00:21:34.460 We're going to kill them with kindness.

00:21:36.660 We're going to make all the friends.

00:21:38.120 Right.

00:21:38.260 And we're going to have a great day together.

00:21:39.520 And we did.

00:21:40.180 Because those poor media, those poor lamestream media kids, they had to listen to compliments being absolutely shouted at us for the entirety of the entire.

00:21:50.020 It was a great day.

00:21:51.060 I will say that.

00:21:51.860 It was a great day.

00:21:52.720 I'm glad you recognized that these were basically, you know, when you're in Saskatoon and Regina, outside of the major media markets like Calgary or Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, that sort of thing, you are just cutting your teeth here.

00:22:07.080 You're probably a rookie.

00:22:08.300 You're not probably somebody who has had a lot of experience.

00:22:10.660 So you just kind of take the company line as to what they should be doing or they think what they should be doing.

00:22:18.060 So the thing is, you know, you're right.

00:22:20.400 I think when they come out of J School, they have this idea that they're going to change the world.

00:22:26.780 Unfortunately, that's something you should be coming out of J School.

00:22:29.300 You should be coming to find out how to be a reporter.

00:22:31.260 But the reality is they're coming out there.

00:22:33.700 And I really appreciate the fact that you recognize the fact that these young people are just young people and maybe haven't experienced sort of the inner goings of the political world with a small people, with a small, small P.

00:22:46.460 Yeah.

00:22:47.080 Yeah.

00:22:47.560 And I wanted, if this was going to be their first experience interacting with Rebel News, I wanted it to be a good one.

00:22:54.460 I want, you know.

00:22:55.780 Right.

00:22:56.080 Because in the back of my mind, always I'm like, ooh, these are baby rebels waiting to be born.

00:23:02.020 One day I'm going to drag you over to the light side and you'll see what actual, you know, fulfilling, amazing journalism can feel like.

00:23:08.780 But it was, it was a great, it was just a great experience.

00:23:11.740 I'm so happy we went.

00:23:13.720 I try to avoid being a self-fulfilling prophecy.

00:23:16.860 You know, these kids are probably hearing in their newsrooms what a bunch of lunatics we are and how disruptive we are at events and whatever.

00:23:24.660 And again, their first experience with us is that we were super nice and trying to save them from embarrassment of appearing on camera without a poppy just days before Remembrance Day.

00:23:36.020 Now, before we go, because we've been at this for 22 minutes already, before, I know, flew right by.

00:23:42.060 I want to talk about what I would describe as the hand-dong adjustment to the Saskatchewan Party's constitution.

00:23:49.940 So they have changed their constitution so that the only people who can vote in nomination races are Canadian citizens.

00:24:01.720 And I think this is a wonderful thing, which aligns with election Saskatchewan rules.

00:24:07.360 But it prevents people from stacking the nominations to get, you know, who get themselves nominated, but then turning around and failing on election day because all the people who nominated you can't vote for you.

00:24:28.080 And the people who would have voted in the nomination would not have voted for you.

00:24:33.220 So I think it's a great thing.

00:24:35.200 And it's exactly how Handong got nominated in Don Valley North was bussing in a bunch of foreign nationals from a local Chinese language school where expats send their kids.

00:24:49.400 And they were like 14-year-old Chinese nationals voting for Handong in the nomination.

00:24:55.260 So that's how he got to be CCP's man in Don Valley North.

00:24:58.560 And they closed this loophole.

00:25:00.700 I'm sure the NDP are going to call it racist.

00:25:03.600 Oh, they have.

00:25:04.200 But it's appropriate.

00:25:05.680 Yeah.

00:25:06.000 No, it was an absolutely necessary change.

00:25:08.920 And yes, the NDP is already like straight out the gate.

00:25:11.640 Oh, this ass party race, a party full of racists and party full of bigots. 0.98

00:25:16.080 And they don't want the votes.

00:25:18.660 That's actually not what they said.

00:25:20.420 Actually, one of the comments that was made was, if we limit our nominations to Canadian citizens, it's going to compel people that aren't Canadian citizens who want to be involved to become Canadian citizens.

00:25:37.540 And it was just awesome to see.

00:25:39.240 I mean, a tiny, tiny handful of people voted against, but it was overwhelmingly carried by the crowd.

00:25:44.340 It was great to see.

00:25:45.400 Yeah, some of the comments on this policy, I would say it would be 80% to 90% positive for the move.

00:25:55.700 And anecdotally, there have been situations at nominations meetings where people voted for an individual.

00:26:05.500 And I'm not sure of their citizenship status, but they were completely unclear as to why they were voting for this individual.

00:26:13.560 They thought they were voting in an election.

00:26:15.800 They thought they were voting to get him to basically him or her to a position in the party when all it was was a nomination meeting.

00:26:24.100 So there have been issues that are not publicized by the party.

00:26:29.000 But the thing is, they just said, okay, well, we can't really have that.

00:26:32.100 Because think of this, basically.

00:26:34.680 The vast majority of the people that this disqualifies are not the Irish, right?

00:26:43.360 Let's put it that way, right?

00:26:45.480 Sure.

00:26:46.300 Okay, that might have been 220 years ago, but it's not this now.

00:26:50.640 So basically, when the SAS party has to make a point saying, we want you to know what you're actually voting for, right?

00:26:57.460 Then ultimately, you have the boobards coming out there and basically saying, well, you know, you're racist.

00:27:03.620 And of course, you're just proving that you're racist.

00:27:04.980 But I don't think there's anything racist about asking people to be Canadian citizens to vote or to be involved in the nomination.

00:27:12.060 There is nothing controversial about this whatsoever.

00:27:15.760 And actually, they addressed one of the things that resulted in the NDP taking 14 seats from them.

00:27:23.180 SASC party supporters in the urban centers stayed home instead of voting for some guy that they didn't know.

00:27:31.040 The end.

00:27:31.580 That's what happened.

00:27:32.840 So they made that correction as a party.

00:27:36.060 They identified that as an issue.

00:27:37.440 They made the correction and good for them.

00:27:39.400 That's taken us in a real good direction.

00:27:41.320 I think it's fair.

00:27:42.720 Yeah, and it closes the disconnect, right?

00:27:46.320 If you have, and I'll just say it, an ethnic voting bloc choosing the nominee, but then that ethnic bloc can't vote for that nominee.

00:27:56.360 That's right.

00:27:57.080 The people who do want to vote for the SASC party MLA in that riding see that guy and then they dig down and they're like, I actually don't like that guy.

00:28:06.460 Right.

00:28:06.880 You don't turn up to vote.

00:28:08.140 That's exactly what happened.

00:28:09.040 He's not the guy you would have chosen.

00:28:10.480 And that's the problem.

00:28:13.120 It drives a wedge in between your regular voters and the potential MLA.

00:28:19.960 And you know what?

00:28:20.860 Let the NDP carry this to their grave.

00:28:23.980 Okay.

00:28:24.180 Let the NDP throw their nominations open to any Tom, Dick, and Harry from whatever country they want and let them suffer the consequences of their bad decisions.

00:28:33.820 Imagine letting non-citizens choose the MLA. 1.00

00:28:36.260 Yeah, that's true.

00:28:36.960 Imagine.

00:28:37.460 Because that's terrible.

00:28:39.040 This is what the NDP said.

00:28:40.780 Brittany Sanger, the Saskatchewan NDP critic for democracy and ethics, said the proposed changes are discriminatory.

00:28:50.100 She said it's deeply troubling.

00:28:52.700 It's disheartening to see that they're discouraging permanent residents and young people from being engaged in the democratic process.

00:28:59.960 Frankly, my question is to Scott Moe.

00:29:02.660 What's driving this motion forward?

00:29:05.980 I don't know.

00:29:06.460 Election security?

00:29:08.100 We don't want foreigners running our government. 1.00

00:29:11.740 Foreign interference concerns also?

00:29:14.000 It was really quite interesting because Brittany Sanger did a little video outside of the SAS party, outside of TCU place recently saying, and she's like, we want diversity.

00:29:23.420 We want this.

00:29:24.180 And then she goes and lays out all these things at the SAS party or the NDP caucus are.

00:29:28.700 We've got the first openly LGBTQ caucus member.

00:29:33.300 As if anybody cares.

00:29:34.320 I'm like, no, you don't.

00:29:36.440 There was a finance minister in the 1990s in the NDP caucus that was openly gay.

00:29:42.120 And this guy still appears on CBC to this day.

00:29:45.360 So it's like, you don't even know the history of your own party.

00:29:48.720 I'm proud to be a member of a caucus that's made up of nearly 50% women, that has a woman leader, that has diversity, that has the first openly gay MLA in Saskatchewan's history.

00:30:02.140 And besides, what does that have to do with permanent citizenship?

00:30:06.100 Right.

00:30:06.540 Right.

00:30:06.680 They just want to do, take any opportunity to, you know, the NDP have followers just like everybody else, but the hardcore left-wing radicals are such simple-minded people that ultimately they just jump on this.

00:30:25.120 You know, if they saw Scott Moe buying vanilla ice cream at the co-op, right, why won't you get chocolate?

00:30:31.900 He has black people.

00:30:32.720 Tiger, Tiger, don't you like the Tamils? 1.00

00:30:35.000 It's like, let's just find something to criticize the South Party for.

00:30:44.020 But the good news is, it's falling on such deaf ears that nobody cares anymore.

00:30:51.140 Right?

00:30:51.320 Well, because the world is rapidly divesting from identity politics.

00:30:55.620 Yes.

00:30:56.000 We are divesting from DEI as something that we embrace.

00:31:00.100 So by all means, NDP, please dig in on these issues, like double down, triple down even.

00:31:05.600 Can't wait to see you lose.

00:31:06.980 Yeah.

00:31:07.180 Everybody's in Sanjus and everybody's a racist, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:31:11.480 Yeah.

00:31:12.060 The edge is off that knife, that's for sure.

00:31:16.600 You know, and it disregards what the Canadian public have lived through since at least 2019,

00:31:24.340 probably before, we had a national commission about foreign interference, sparked from foreign

00:31:31.980 interference in nomination processes in 2019.

00:31:36.500 You're right.

00:31:36.900 In 2021, they were found to have been meddling in nomination processes.

00:31:42.120 That's how Kenny Chu lost his seat.

00:31:45.060 That's how Handong won his.

00:31:47.220 It happened.

00:31:48.760 And if we can tighten up this loophole, it's not discrimination to not have foreign nationals

00:31:55.480 choose your MLAs.

00:31:56.920 Like, what planet are they on?

00:31:59.020 I think the NDP, the Tommy Douglas planet.

00:32:02.740 You know, the party of eugenics. 0.89

00:32:05.040 The party of eugenics. 0.93

00:32:06.580 Right?

00:32:07.040 Right?

00:32:07.320 It's like, yeah.

00:32:08.060 Yeah.

00:32:08.300 The party of the fact that they don't like capitalism and they want to eradicate capitalism

00:32:13.640 from Saskatchewan, that's the party that they're in.

00:32:16.540 Right?

00:32:16.880 Yeah.

00:32:17.500 Which they're just contrarian to a fault.

00:32:21.520 Well, and this is exactly the reason why they can never be allowed to form government ever.

00:32:26.000 Right.

00:32:26.860 Yeah.

00:32:27.400 Yeah.

00:32:27.520 They just can't because of their background.

00:32:30.540 Sort of their pedigree is one that basically wants to, you know, one of the jokes at the convention

00:32:37.560 was that Ken Sheveldayoff was reading off the proposed motions and one of them was to

00:32:44.980 nationalize all the oil and gas in Saskatchewan.

00:32:48.400 That was a proposal at the NDP convention to nationalize.

00:32:51.420 And that got, like, that got absolutely, like, the crowd went wild.

00:32:57.060 Big applause.

00:32:57.260 Yes.

00:32:57.740 Yeah.

00:32:58.060 Yeah.

00:32:58.680 Yeah.

00:32:59.000 It was great.

00:32:59.740 See, one thing, one important thing before we leave here, we have to understand this.

00:33:02.520 Yes.

00:33:02.800 The SAS party has been in power now for 18 years.

00:33:04.800 Okay.

00:33:05.760 In the next election, there will be voters that have never, ever experienced the NDP

00:33:12.380 in their lifetime.

00:33:14.060 Right.

00:33:14.840 So when you think about that, they don't understand sort of the cost of having the government sort

00:33:22.680 of take over everything.

00:33:23.840 Right.

00:33:24.600 They don't understand what that does to the population, what that does to the economy.

00:33:28.420 What that does to the economy, what that does to culture, what that does to our society,

00:33:33.700 what that does to our public institutions.

00:33:35.000 Let us be a warning.

00:33:35.680 Right.

00:33:35.740 Let Alberta be a warning. 0.99

00:33:36.980 Yeah.

00:33:37.340 Because we had 44 years of PC government.

00:33:42.120 And then people were like, you know what, let's give the NDP a little bit of a try.

00:33:46.460 And a lot of it had to do is that the PC government had become so corrupt and so entrenched

00:33:50.460 and everything that there wasn't enough daylight between them and the NDP.

00:33:54.400 They had a lot of the same ideas.

00:33:56.480 And that's why we go back to the very beginning of our conversation where people are complaining

00:34:00.520 that the SAS party isn't conservative enough.

00:34:03.340 They must be conservative.

00:34:05.280 They have to be a clear alternative.

00:34:08.740 Yes.

00:34:09.140 To the Venezuela future that you would have at the hands of the NDP.

00:34:13.000 See, I believe it was Alan Blakeney who basically mentioned that governing was like wearing a

00:34:17.840 backpack and every single year somebody drops a brick in your backpack.

00:34:22.600 Right?

00:34:22.980 I think it was the NDP, Alan Blakeney, who mentioned that.

00:34:25.680 And to his credit, he was absolutely right.

00:34:28.360 So the thing is, the SAS party needs to have renewal within their party, not sort of slowly

00:34:35.720 drift towards the left.

00:34:37.300 Because, well, there are strategists, I'm sure, within the SAS party that think that the way

00:34:43.980 we get those voters that we lost back is to become more left, which is a huge mistake.

00:34:50.040 And then, once again, to your point about the daylight between the two parties, once there's

00:34:54.560 limited daylight, it's like, okay, well, am I voting for the SAS party or the NDP?

00:34:57.900 Because I can't tell the difference.

00:34:58.860 What's the difference?

00:35:00.120 Right.

00:35:00.580 Right.

00:35:01.200 So beware.

00:35:03.220 Beware, SAS party.

00:35:04.620 Beware.

00:35:05.200 Do not listen to that advice.

00:35:07.300 Do not listen to...

00:35:08.300 As a matter of fact...

00:35:08.980 Ask Erin O'Toole.

00:35:09.820 Just ask Erin O'Toole. 1.00

00:35:11.000 How does that vanilla pudding, vegetable lasagna go?

00:35:14.840 It doesn't.

00:35:15.500 Vegetable lasagna.

00:35:16.660 It doesn't work politically.

00:35:18.460 And even for the people that, excuse me, that would say that the SAS party needs renewal,

00:35:26.020 I would just be happy if the SAS party got back to their founding principles.

00:35:31.320 Small and responsive government.

00:35:33.160 Commitment to the people of Saskatchewan.

00:35:35.040 A good return on our investment.

00:35:37.720 A strong economy.

00:35:38.900 I'd be happy if we just got back to basics and back to our roots.

00:35:43.100 Yeah.

00:35:43.440 Same.

00:35:44.280 Yeah.

00:35:44.660 Guys, let's wrap it up.

00:35:46.820 Let's check back in four weeks, Shelby. 0.99

00:35:49.400 Yeah.

00:35:49.860 Yes?

00:35:50.320 Yeah.

00:35:50.560 Okay.

00:35:50.880 We'll check back in four weeks.

00:35:52.180 Thanks, guys.

00:35:53.260 We'll talk very soon.

00:35:54.520 I'm sure there'll be lots to talk about in between now and then, and we'll see how the

00:35:59.320 UN Climate Change Conference will be imposing its will on the good people of Saskatchewan.

00:36:06.940 Can't wait till learn how, Sheila.

00:36:10.260 I'm off to the Amazon.

00:36:11.460 I'm off to the Amazon to find out how.

00:36:12.960 Thanks, guys.

00:36:13.660 We'll talk again very soon.

00:36:14.660 Thank you.

00:36:14.900 Okay.

00:36:15.160 Bye, guys.

00:36:22.980 All right.

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00:37:23.800 Now, today's viewer feedback actually doesn't come from the email inbox.

00:37:27.900 By the way, if you want to send me an email, it's Sheila at rebelnews.com.

00:37:32.020 Put gun show letters in the subject line so I know why you're emailing me, because good

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00:37:42.220 why you're writing to me if you put that in the subject line.

00:37:47.340 Now, that's not the only way that you can get a hold of me.

00:37:50.440 I do go looking at the viewer feedback on all of our work, not just mine.

00:37:54.720 And so, if you're commenting on YouTube on a free clip of the show, I'll probably see

00:38:00.260 it.

00:38:00.680 If you're commenting on the live stream that I do daily at Rebel News, I'll see it.

00:38:07.860 And sometimes I go looking to see what you think about, of course, my friends and colleagues

00:38:11.960 that I get to work with, the rest of the Rebel News team.

00:38:14.800 And so, today's viewer feedback comes to us by way of the YouTube comments on Ezra's lengthy

00:38:24.760 sit-down interview with the ostrich farm family.

00:38:31.780 And it took place in their kitchen.

00:38:33.980 It was after 330 of their birds were depopulated, to use the language of the CFIA, after a lengthy

00:38:44.860 court battle, a 10-month-long battle to keep the birds alive after the birds were exposed

00:38:51.840 to avian flu 10 months ago and recovered, exhibited natural immunity.

00:38:58.540 And regardless, the CFIA depopulated all the birds earlier last week without testing a single

00:39:08.460 one of them.

00:39:10.500 And that's insane.

00:39:13.220 The government should have to prove why they're destroying your livelihood.

00:39:18.160 They just should not get to act like that.

00:39:21.620 And these weren't birds meant for human consumption.

00:39:25.040 Of course, they were research birds.

00:39:26.320 Not that it actually even matters.

00:39:29.520 Because if these birds were just birds in a field, they belonged to somebody.

00:39:34.760 And the state should not be able to come along and kill them without a darn good reason.

00:39:40.420 And providing evidence of that reason.

00:39:43.500 Anyway, from the YouTube comments on Ezra's interview.

00:39:48.120 I honor who I am, 88 writes, my heart is aching with so much sorrow for this family and for

00:39:53.080 the devastation caused by this massacre.

00:39:54.700 I love all kinds of animals and especially I have an affinity for wild and exotic animals

00:39:59.460 such as the ostrich.

00:40:02.020 I feel very, very terrible that our government has failed and so have the authorities.

00:40:07.920 I can't find the right words for the feelings of sorrow that I am feeling at this moment.

00:40:11.820 I am an extremely empathy, I think she means empathetic person, and I can sense the horror and terror

00:40:18.160 that those beautiful animals went through.

00:40:20.680 From the deepest of my heart, I'm so sorry, brave lady.

00:40:24.280 I'll make no aspersions about actually, how do I put this mildly?

00:40:32.100 Birds are not my favorite animals.

00:40:33.660 But that doesn't mean that they should die, because the state doesn't like them.

00:40:39.500 And like I said, these animals belonged to somebody.

00:40:44.080 And we are in a post-proof society right now.

00:40:49.560 And it has to stop.

00:40:52.060 And I hope these birds are the reason that it stops.

00:40:55.600 You know, let's go back to COVID.

00:40:57.680 They told us that if we followed the lines on the grocery store, the sniffling death wouldn't

00:41:07.040 get us counterclockwise if we reached into the aisle to get that can of pie filling.

00:41:16.660 And they made us do that without any proof whatsoever.

00:41:20.140 And bizarrely, a lot of people didn't ask for proof.

00:41:23.080 And if you did ask for proof, you were some sort of anti-science heretic when you were

00:41:26.960 the actual scientific one where you wanted to test the theory and get some evidence before

00:41:32.720 you followed blindly a stupid rule, right?

00:41:38.520 And that takes us to the ostriches, right?

00:41:44.780 You just wanted proof before you did the stupid thing.

00:41:47.640 And they just are a government that feels completely entitled to never show you any evidence for

00:41:58.620 their so-called evidence-based policy.

00:42:01.120 It's atrocious.

00:42:03.340 And this family is absolutely crushed by it.

00:42:08.260 They're crushed because they can't understand that their own government would do this to them.

00:42:14.020 They can't understand why the so-called scientists didn't show some scientific proof about why

00:42:22.680 they're doing the things that they're doing.

00:42:26.440 It's insane.

00:42:27.460 And they're crushed that the court couldn't see the logic in what they were trying to do.

00:42:33.920 It's like every fail-safe actually failed.

00:42:39.660 Of course, she's devastated.

00:42:41.100 Everything she thought about this country isn't true.

00:42:45.180 Not anymore.

00:42:46.440 At all.

00:42:49.280 Redbird9658 writes,

00:42:51.080 This is so astonishingly evil.

00:42:52.800 We'll keep following this story.

00:42:54.780 Such good people did not deserve the treatment that they got.

00:42:57.640 Even if they were bad people.

00:43:01.560 That doesn't matter.

00:43:02.820 You're supposed to expect fair treatment by the government.

00:43:07.420 That they just don't walk onto your property and basically they confiscated the lives of these birds.

00:43:15.560 Without any proof.

00:43:16.840 Without showing a justification for it.

00:43:22.540 Again, we're in a post-evidence society.

00:43:26.340 Let's talk about the residential schools.

00:43:29.160 A national day of mourning.

00:43:30.220 A discovery at a residential school.

00:43:33.760 Without a shovel going in the ground.

00:43:36.500 And if you question it,

00:43:37.940 Again, you're the heretic. 0.89

00:43:39.260 You're the denier.

00:43:40.580 They're trying to criminalize even your skepticism.

00:43:44.300 About the official narrative.

00:43:46.000 You can even buy most of the official narrative.

00:43:48.860 And have some skepticism about what happened.

00:43:51.860 On the grounds of the Kamloops Indian Residential School.

00:43:54.320 And you'll still be some sort of heretic.

00:43:59.660 And then the ostriches.

00:44:02.240 How dare you ask for proof?

00:44:03.720 It's your civic duty to go along with the government.

00:44:06.900 Blindly.

00:44:08.220 I actually remember when that was the extreme position.

00:44:11.600 That being a gullible rube. 0.88

00:44:14.700 And believing everything the government says and does.

00:44:17.940 That was the extreme position.

00:44:19.620 Now, you're the good citizen.

00:44:22.240 If that's how you operate in the world.

00:44:23.820 It's crazy.

00:44:25.200 DK Goodman 6233 says,

00:44:28.740 This is just so sick.

00:44:30.000 I wish the people could see what's happening.

00:44:32.600 What kind of person could cause such fear and harm to innocents?

00:44:35.580 We've seen it done to humans in the not too distant past.

00:44:38.840 Terrifying.

00:44:39.700 I am by, as again, regular viewers of the show will know I'm by no means an animal rights activist.

00:44:47.720 But these animals belong to somebody.

00:44:50.340 You know, like I don't have a problem with hunting.

00:44:52.140 I don't have a problem.

00:44:53.820 With a bullet going into an animal.

00:44:56.420 If there's a purpose for it.

00:45:00.120 You know, if it's, if you're going to eat the animal.

00:45:02.160 If the animal is sick and needs to be euthanized.

00:45:07.140 You know, I, as I said, I don't have a problem with hunting.

00:45:10.020 Hunting is a sport.

00:45:11.640 It's also fun.

00:45:12.540 Sitting in a tree stand in nature is fun.

00:45:14.500 I don't care what the anti hunters say.

00:45:16.880 It's fun.

00:45:17.300 Some people gamble.

00:45:19.560 Some people smoke.

00:45:20.960 I do neither one of those things.

00:45:22.820 Some people play video games.

00:45:24.540 I don't really do that either.

00:45:26.300 Sitting in a tree stand in nature and God's creation.

00:45:29.760 Waiting for an animal to come along so you can fill your freezer.

00:45:32.360 What?

00:45:32.860 Full of organic, affordable food in a time of inflation.

00:45:36.940 That's fun.

00:45:37.660 Um, but there's purpose to it.

00:45:41.000 There's meaning to it.

00:45:42.480 There's a reason to it.

00:45:44.620 This was just so unreasonable.

00:45:51.180 Senseless.

00:45:52.040 Like it's truly the definition of senseless.

00:45:54.820 Nothing made sense.

00:45:56.420 Nobody had sense in any of this.

00:45:58.720 The courts, the CFIA, the government, nothing.

00:46:01.480 And lastly, Sabine 3769 writes, cruel and horrifying, especially cruel to the farmers because their agony is just starting.

00:46:11.580 Well, everybody, that's the show for today.

00:46:13.360 Thank you so much for tuning in.

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00:47:39.660 And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:47:43.280 We'll see you next week.

Rebel News Podcast - November 13, 2025

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Scott Moe Survives Leadership Review at Sask Party Convention

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