SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Tamara Lich on Trudeau’s Emergencies Act defeat and the rise of Western separatism
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It s been a bad 10 days or so for Mark Carney s government, and Tamera Leach joins the show to break it down. She talks about the Emergency Act ruling, the fall-out from the Supreme Court ruling, and the rise of western separatism in Alberta.
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it's been a bad 10 days or so for mark carney and tamera leach joins the show
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to break it down i'm sheila gun reid and you're watching the gun show
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well you know who the guest is i just told you it's our friend tamera leach convoy leader
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my new co-worker and she's going to discuss the very bad 10 days or so for mark carney's
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government from failed federalism the rise of western separatism in town halls and parking
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lots even all across this beautiful province as albertans are sending a message that they want
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a new deal and that new deal does not involve ottawa then the challenge the appeal of a previous
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judge's ruling that found the invocation of the emergencies act was unlawful and unjust was upheld
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by a three judge panel and so we're breaking it down i want tamera's reaction to all that and a few
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other things i'll button it up here's an interview we recorded yesterday morning
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so joining me now is my good friend and my new co-worker freedom convoy activist i don't know
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what i'm supposed to call you i don't want to get you in trouble tamera leach and um we want to talk
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about um the government's reaction or lack thereof to the emergencies act ruling then a convoy protester
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is out on bail after four years behind bars and then we'll talk about the rise of albertus separatism
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tamera is fresh back at her home because she's under house arrest from her community service which
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is almost done and uh tamera i was able to hear the emergencies act ruling where a panel of three
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judges reaffirmed a prior court's finding that the government acted illegally in invoking the
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emergencies act to end the peaceful freedom convoy protest and i got to see your reaction where you
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were moved to tears i was apprehensive you know i'm always ready to be disappointed by a federal court
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but they actually did the right thing for once but in spite of that all the people involved in it are
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either still in cabinet or have gone on to other things like christia freeland do are we ever going
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to see anybody ever held to account for this you know i i sure hope so um but i i don't know i we
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haven't seen accountability i mean how many scandals are we at now with this government it's been
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non-stop for over 10 years and there's never been any accountability i find it a little bit ironic
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you know like the court a court has obviously found chris and myself guilty of mischief and then chris has
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the other charge um and so as what normally happens is we're being held accountable so we are absolutely
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serving our sentences as we're supposed to be and so it's frustrating you know i i basically feel like
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we're being punished heart more harsh for a mischief than the government of canada for um breaching the
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charter rights of canadians yeah it's a strange thing because they did the wrong thing but all the
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consequences are yours like they get to walk away they get to remain in cabinet they get to go on to
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uh international gigs and you're stuck under house arrest doing a community service which i think you
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would probably do anyway uh because you're that kind of person but nothing bad will ever happen to them
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and in a real country they would face serious consequences their ethics breaches alone in a country
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like the united states would have them landed behind bars like freeland taking a job with
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a regime that takes money from the canadian government is influence peddling and you would
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end up in jail for that in another country but in canada they just give her a pension and send her
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on her merry way well wasn't it south korea that ended up uh invoking a form of martial law in their
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country too and i believe that their president or prime minister pardon my ignorance i'm not sure
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what they have but he's in jail yeah for for doing exactly the same thing and you're absolutely right
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i mean these mps that were all involved in this decision making at the end of the indication
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and the execution of it um are failing upwards they're leaving for for greener pastures um i i think
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yara sacks i if i'm not mistaken i saw a rebel news report that she's been offered a position
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elsewhere too so they're just really throwing all the rules um right out the window and you're
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absolutely right i mean in a normal functioning democracy these people would be held to account
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and at the very least the mps that are still in cabinet or in the government period would resign
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i mean bev oda resigned over a 16 glass of orange juice yeah yeah i was talking to keith wilson
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about that the other day the thing with the bev will bev oda 16 orange juice was that it wasn't
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that it was too much for the liberals the liberals were going to make a stink out of it anyway and be
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completely insincere about it because we see how they spend other people's money bev oda faced
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pressure from conservatives who didn't like conservatives wasting people's money that way
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that's i think the difference between us and liberals is they really just care about power at all
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costs and sure conservatives would like to win but not if it means selling our souls or
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compromising ourselves along the way exactly no i would agree with that 100 percent
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i'm hoping i'm hopeful that somebody will somebody will eventually be held accountable but i mean what
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are we on day 11 now it's been well over a week since the ruling was upheld and there has not even
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been a statement issued from the pmo or the justice minister who also was involved in the decision
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making process might i add um and so that's very telling and i think we're dealing with the
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government as we know and i think that's part of the reason why they appealed this in the first place
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was just to buy them some time hope everybody moves on focuses on hating donald trump and just
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forgets about it but it's shocking to me and very concerning like i said that not even a statement
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has been issued um and i was going through some of the video footage that i have on my phone
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obviously sent to me by other people during the takedown because i was in jail um and it's pretty
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unsettling to watch uh the violence against canadian citizens by law enforcement obviously and we know
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now that it was it was excessive use of force well the thing that really got to me was what do they
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call them the starlight tours the taking the pro because they're specifically trained against that
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because people died when they did that in saskatchewan so the law enforcement is trained
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not to do that and yet they did it to freedom convoy protesters and for people who don't know
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that's when they round you up when it's real cold and it's dark and they take you outside of town and
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then drop you off somewhere where you have to find your own way back and it resulted in deaths i think
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two in saskatchewan and so they have i believe yeah they have specific training against this
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but they did it to the freedom convoy protesters and we all remember how bitterly evil cold it was
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they were taken in in uh unheated vehicles and then just left outside of town find your own way back
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yeah but just don't go back to basically they were said if you go that way you're going to be
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rearrested so you need to go that way and they left them there you're absolutely right and lots of
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them of course being out in the cold all day or some of them were held in transports all day as
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you mentioned their phones were dead right so you know if it wasn't for the fact that other people
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with you know a bar of service left um god could get a hold of biker's church i mean that's how they
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got picked up was the biker's church went and collected them all as they were being dropped off
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in the middle of a snowstorm yeah yeah and nobody's ever been held accountable for that and we heard
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the victims of this testify at the public order emergency commission so this stuff is all on the
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record the victims of it are on the record and yet none of the officers involved have ever faced
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any professional consequences for any of it right well don't forget the acting chief steve bell at the
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time also well he was in charge of that whole thing obviously but he also went on and did a press
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conference and said basically if you're supporting this in any way we're going to hunt you down and
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financially cripple you for the rest of your life basically yeah they threatened to take people's kids
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away from them yeah yeah as though your politics made you a bad parent um moving on from that um
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i think we'll never see any anything change on this until there's a different government and power
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and with the voting habits of eastern boomers i cannot reasonably see that in the near future
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um and if alberta leaves i don't think it'll ever happen again i don't think there'll ever be a
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conservative government in power um but i wanted to talk to talk and we'll talk about that in a second
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but i wanted to talk to you about um the recent news that anthony olenek tony olenek he's one of the
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coots four initial coots four um who was convicted on mischief but also some firearms related charges
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in uh a lethbridge courthouse in 2024 he's served four and a half years behind bars already he's been
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recently released on bail pending an appeal i just wanted to get your reaction to this because i had
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been in that courthouse covering that case and i always got the feeling like he was sentenced for
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the crimes they wanted to convict him on instead of the crimes he was actually charged with and i
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just based on the sentencing guidelines and and historical sentences that had been given i thought
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that they sentenced him for what they wish they could have got him on yes i agree they did they dropped
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the conspiracy to murder the police officer charges you're absolutely right but when it did come time
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to sentence them it's like they were sentenced for that anyways it is absolutely appalling um that
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tony has spent this long in jail especially um in a remand i was just talking about this at my community
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service he's been in the remand the whole time well he he was transferred to drum heller okay but when
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you're at the beginning of this i mean they were transferred from remand to remand to remand
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and let me tell you as somebody who's spent time in a remand center and i told my lawyer this too
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like if i'm getting sentenced i want it it's got to be two years plus a day because i would much rather
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a penitentiary would be disneyland compared to remand centers and so even you know i believe it was
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the decision came was supposed to come on the day that he that the federal court ruling came out
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actually um and it's really concerning that they waited this long even to release him and i don't think
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he's been released yet i think they're just planning to release him um but it could be i could
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be mistaken on that but i mean four years is incomprehensible especially when you see a lot
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of the crimes that are happening across this country right now and violent criminals violent sexual
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offenders repeat offenders uh violent uh offenders that aren't even canadian citizens are getting let off
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so much easier um it's pretty clear that anything related to the freedom convoy they have gone after
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with a vengeance and a viciousness um that i've never seen before yeah yeah i mean they were sentenced sort
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of in line with the two young men who had provided the firearm to the man who did the shooting of the
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mayor thorpe mounties that was sort of what they were where that's the time that those guys got
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and that's how i sort of came to the conclusion oh they they sentenced him for um being involved in the
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execution of police officers because that's in their mind what they wish they were able to charge him
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with but he was actually convicted of just firearms related offenses and mischief just like you
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yeah yeah i know it's uh i mean this man has lost four years of his life all of the coots boys you
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know um i think the jerry and and chris lysack were in jail for i think it was at least almost two years
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chris carbert hasn't really been out that long i mean these guys have lost years of their lives years
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with their children and their families and you know i i couldn't even compare my situation
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to theirs honestly i mean it's just they were held in there for so long without even a bail hearing
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right and um i mean i feel for him i yeah i feel for him yeah the whole world has changed really
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since he's been in there right for sure for sure he's coming out to a much worse canada by the way and it
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felt bad even back then um just moving ahead i want to talk to you about western separation
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western independence as they like to call it whatever that might look like um you and i are
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a little bit deeply online probably more so than other people when it's just the nature of the work
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that we do but it's real interesting to see somebody who continues to miscalculate the anger of
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albertans i think that was his fatal flaw jason kenney former premier jason kenney coming out to
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malign western independence minded people as racist crackpots i think he called them kooks or loons
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the other day these people used to be the people who reliably voted for him who doorknocked for him
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fundraise for him he sure is hell happy to take their money and votes when he was i was one of
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20 yeah so so were so many people um and now he's totally turned on them um because they think
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that there's a different way forward um it's real interesting to see everybody talk about the
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independence movement but they never actually talk to the independence movement and it's normal people
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it's moms it's dads it's overwhelmingly young by the way like yes the grandparents are there but
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they're saying to me i'll never see the benefit of us leaving confederation but i'm willing to put the
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work in and take the risk for my grandchildren which is so much different than them eastern boomers i'll
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tell you that um but everybody's talking about them nobody ever talks to them and if you talk to them
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they will tell you exactly why they want to go i just wanted to get your take on this sort of
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organized derision of an entire diverse group of people from the established federalist elite
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well i think what we're seeing uh it's going to be the exact same playbook that they used against
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the freedom convoy and i i was again talking about this story with the lady this morning too
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um i get a lot of freedom convoy vibes i guess around the alberta independence movement because
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it is it is hopeful and you know we do have everyday citizens that can go about and make some
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change um but coming with that is also going to come exactly the same way that we were treated you
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know first they laughed at us and they mocked us which is exactly what happened then they started
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with the name calling uh racist traitor misogynist you know they're gonna that's and we're seeing that
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happen right now and then i've actually already seen some posts um insinuating that we're all far
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right so you know where this is going they're gonna do exactly it's going to be exactly the same
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playbook as what we saw happen to us during the freedom convoy and it's just gonna i mean
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exactly nobody's asking why you know they they just want to call names and make a bunch of
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accusations and you know treat us like we're stupid hillbillies you know the saying used to be
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the west wants in and i think we're just at the point now um at least for a lot of people that i
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talked to that we just want out we just like we don't care anymore there's nothing that we can do
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we've tried everything right um the reform party we've tried everything um and i like you said at
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the beginning of this i don't see a day in this country ever again where we will see a conservative
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government because it's all stacked against us yeah i mean if we leave there's never a conservative
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government again and so who will be the biggest antagonists against the west leaving it will be the
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conservative party in their own self-interest and that's why they've trotted out their buddy jason
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kenny to act as a proxy i'm sure and don't get me wrong uh you know the i think the conservative
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government if they're i'm sorry the conservative party i i really do think they're fighting for the
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west for sure they are i mean they're fighting for western interests they care about firearms rights
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they care about property rights they care about free speech and religious freedom and and oil and
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gas yes yes that is all true but they won't form government so right how effective will they ever be
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you know yes that's exactly right so i mean i just obviously i've sort of gone you know 360 on this
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whole thing because i obviously grew up very proud of my country uh yeah i was taught that diversity was
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our strength and we celebrated our multiculturalism at one point and i was very proud of everything
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that had to do with canada and obviously by the time the convoy started i was already on board with
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the with the wexit movement and the maverick party so i was already a proponent for independence
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before the convoy and it was the convoy that actually changed my mind and i did end up resigning
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i resigned my position with the maverick party um and because i did believe that from what i was seeing
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the unity the support just average canadians coming together in like in ways that i always believe
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they would but it's become very apparent you know over the last four years that um i just think we're
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better off on our own i don't see i don't see anything changing and i think even politically what
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we've seen happen in the last three weeks in canada is very alarming to me yeah signing up with china
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signing up with qatar i mean what's next north korea right um and i strongly suspect that what
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we're seeing now here with mark carney all of a sudden i think he's going to call a spring election
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and i think he's really ramping up the tds in order to make that happen that's all he's got right
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that's all he's got he can't run on his own record what has he built what has he done so he can
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only run against donald trump but you know i think there are a lot of people like you who say
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uh we tried it their way tried it their way a couple of times um when only when we really only
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needed to try it once but we had a an alberta-based prime minister and nothing got better you know we
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we tried taking our concerns to them and people got arrested um we tried raising our voices and
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they accused us of being russian funded and foreign funded and racist and nazis and radicals
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and they're doing it all again it's all like as you said that it's all the same playbook so i
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understand a lot of people who are saying uh yeah we tried we there's got to be another reason as
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mark carney says than nostalgia and uh i haven't heard that reason quite yet exactly well and so
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many people will say that we should stay because it's just always been this way you know and that's
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one thing it's always been this way we've always done things this way and the the only thing i can
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think of when people tell me that is there was a time where they used to bloodlet people uh because
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they thought that that was going to help them however you know experience time and science yes the
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leeches and proved you know they had to make these changes and is it going to be easy no it's not it's
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not going to be easy and some of us are probably going to have to sacrifice some things and mistakes
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are going to be made but it's okay to make mistakes and i think a lot of people just need to understand
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you know it is scary change is always scary um yeah i think there's going to be more responsibility
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where responsibility already lies there's going to be more consequences where consequences already lie
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for albertans there's going to be more work where work already lies but what i know about albertans
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as a lifelong one of them is that we're not scared of those things and i think if i had to be honest
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with you the rest is just paperwork like really it's not like we have to move we don't have to pick up
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and move we don't have to get like a a band song like cut the rest of the country off from us i think
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it's mostly just paperwork and us just taking on responsibility where we already have a ton of
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responsibility like why wouldn't we pick up the places where the feds are failing and making life
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worse and we're not scared of hard work exactly no that's exactly right if anyone could do it it'll be
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yes yes yes uh tamara tell people how they can watch your show with our friend chris barber mr chris
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barber yes uh chris and i have started a podcast called house arrest uh house arrest with chris and
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tamara and uh it's every thursday nights at 6 p.m mountain time and we started it basically well
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obviously as a form of therapy um sure to get through the next 18 months um part of it is to
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mock really what's happening because we mock mock worthy things and i think um this whole situation
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is is definitely mock worthy um but we are we're also getting people on our first guest was brian
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peckford to talk about the charter which we thought was very fitting uh we had ray mcginnis and gordon
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mcgill on to talk about the food stories um so amplifying other con not just convoy stories but other
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stories in general like i'd love to get kaylin carrie um the backs injured uh two prominent
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voices for the backs injured um on the show as well and dr roger so you know it's a great platform to
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get some great stories out and garner support for for for others too so and it's really in line i guess
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with what chris and i do you know we like to have fun but if it can benefit somebody else then that's
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that's a huge bonus yeah and i think talking to people that you know if you got all your news from
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the mainstream media you would only hear one version of and yes uh and there are two sides
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to every story the mainstream media version and then there's the truth so exactly mean girl media
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i've called them the mean girl media ever since you guys went to that uh thing and oh where was it
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where they were just terrible to you guys oh at the debate during the election yet yeah at the debate
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some grown man in the mainstream media i don't want to give his name but you know him and i know him
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he balled up a piece of paper and threw it at me i know a little ass man it was that was the most
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embarrassing ridiculous behavior i've ever seen and these are supposed to be professionals you know
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it was like it was it was really tough to watch but so yeah i don't call them even the mainstream
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anymore i call them the mean girl media now yeah it was like somebody spoke latin to a demon in that
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room like they just all lost their faculties the second we stood up to the microphone uh tamira
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thanks so much for coming on the show i've got a busy day i know that despite the fact that you're
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on house arrest you are always very busy too and uh i can't wait to see what you do next
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as you know friends the last portion of the show is always yours you become the guest in segment three
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because without you there's no rebel news we don't take any money from the government
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um so we don't care what they think about us you can certainly tell the people who do take money from
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the government because they're not as tough on the carny liberals as the liberals deserve them to be
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so i welcome your viewer feedback i want to know what you think about the work that we do here at
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rebel news uh if you want to send me an email directly it's sheila at rebelnews.com put gun show
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letters in the subject line so i know why you're emailing me but i also read your comments on the work
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not just my work but everybody's work that's sort of my job is to take the temperature of the audience
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and uh and and pass along your feedback to the team not just to absorb it myself now on the topic
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of western separation western independence i interviewed convoy lawyer but also
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independence influencer maybe is how i would describe him keith wilson on ezra's show i was
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filling in for him earlier in the week because he's away and that's one of the other things that i do
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around here and so i thought i would see what the viewers were saying about that interview with keith
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and what keith had to say about how canada is just too big to make sense too big and too
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i think culturally different the west is culturally different than the east i think the west is more
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culturally aligned with our neighbors to the south than we are with our neighbors to the east most
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definitely and also on the west coast i'm not talking about the interior of british columbia you guys
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are as albertan as it gets or northern bc for that matter so we were talking about the the cultural
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divide the economic divide and the town halls that are taking place all across the province
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seemingly every single night every single night there's an independence town hall and every single
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night in i would guess a dozen places in the province there's a petition signing
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so tico master one says wife and i signed the forms for the referendum on independence last
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week rural community 400 people signed in the first two hours i completely believe that
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boomers gen x millennials and zoomers were there signing a free and independent alberta is the only
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way forward let's go it is not the crowd of angry white men that the mainstream media who don't go to
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these things would have you believe it there are a ton of zoomers there i think our zoomers in the
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west are better than the zoomers anywhere else our boomers in the west are better than everywhere else
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in this country for sure i just think i just think we're better um and i know that might offend some
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of you in other places but i hope you are a regional supremacist too that's how you make the place where
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you're at the best be a regional supremacist i'm a regional supremacist that's for sure
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lee eve mexico says it's a cabal absolutely right keith federalism isn't working very well for any
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nogoyan i think is how i say that i'm sorry i butchered your name obviously need new signs for
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the cbc can't believe carny let's go alberta very funny yes yes yes dolores grinale grinai grinale
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says jordan peterson had an excellent show on carny's belief system versus canada's values yeah
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carny's values which is the name of his manifesto his green manifesto versus canada's values heather
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harris 7069 i'm a boomer and in full agreement to separate i'm not on par with them don't lump us
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altogether i would sign if i were an alberton okay i say this every time i mention the eastern
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boomers there's something wrong with your demographic cohort you do vote overwhelmingly
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liberal now if you are not one of them that voted for mark carny i'm not talking about you
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and i'll let me preface this by saying there is something wrong with the mid 40 white woman
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okay that's my cohort i get it but when people are critical of the mid 40s white woman
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especially in the united states they're all at these ice protests i know they're not talking
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about me so i don't get uptight about it but there is something wrong with the central and eastern
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boomer voting cohort the demographics just played out but look if it if you didn't vote for carny
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i'm not talking about you and i'm glad i'm glad you didn't vote for mark carny i'm glad that you
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are uh a better version of your demographic and i know there are many of you out there who would
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move to alberta who understand what we're going through out here and i'm grateful for you but please
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don't be offended if i say things about eastern boomers because i'm not talking about you all
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right and chad g 3985 says no new world order well you're gonna have to take that up with our prime
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minister and he's our prime minister for now but hopefully hopefully you won't be my problem soon
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enough yeah also i noticed on this very video that i took these comments from there is a conspiracy
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theory warning um about the new world order um on youtube and on any video that mentions the new
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world order it says it's a conspiracy theory i don't know i just saw mark carny say to davos in front of
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the entire world so i don't know and he also said it in that press conference where poor scott moe from
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saskatchewan looked like he was in a proof of life hostage video his head craned around so fast i
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thought he was going to end up as lease said in a neck brace so i mean it's comical to see uh our
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politicians use the term world new world order and then if you say you don't want to be a part of it
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you're the conspiracy theorist and the new world order doesn't exist excuse me anyway that's the show
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for today thank you so much for tuning in i'll see everybody back here in the same time in the
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same place next week and as always don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to