Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Taxpayers take CBC to court over secretive spending

00:00:00.000 Canada's Heritage Minister thinks you might be a bad Canadian if you believe in defunding the CBC.

00:00:06.020 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:16.400 You say the purifoli of his opinions don't represent the majority of Canadians,

00:00:19.840 but if he wins a majority government, I think that statement might be tested.

00:00:23.560 So how is this plan worth more than the paper that it's written on?

00:00:28.320 And if you can't enshrine it, there's no parliament and there's no way to actually get this through.

00:00:33.360 Well, this is why it's so important for me to complete my mandate letter

00:00:36.920 by proposing this very clear plan for the future of the CBC

00:00:40.960 because it's now or never the time for any person who wants to be the next prime minister

00:00:46.820 to commit to making sure that we have a viable public broadcaster for the next century.

00:00:53.780 And there's going to be a leaders' debate next week for who's going to be the next leader of the Liberal Party,

00:01:01.460 who's going to be the next prime minister of Canada.

00:01:03.820 And I think it's important that we stop talking about defunding or funding CBC

00:01:08.020 and we talk about a vision and a plan for the future of the CBC,

00:01:12.860 what it could mean for Canadians, especially at a time where we know that our means of communications

00:01:17.940 are controlled in most parts by tech billionaire oligarchs in the United States.

00:01:25.980 More than ever, it's important for Canadians to be able to rely on their own sources of information

00:01:30.420 made by and for Canadians.

00:01:33.000 Radio Canada CBC has been there for the past hundred years

00:01:35.720 through conservative and liberal governments.

00:01:38.560 It is more relevant than ever in the current context

00:01:42.980 to have and to be able to rely on a public service media.

00:01:47.720 And to not understand that reality shows the lack of understanding of the global context that we're in

00:01:54.740 and it shows the lack of love for our own country

00:01:58.060 and for the fact that we need to be able to tell our own stories in our own way.

00:02:04.840 And Radio Canada CBC will never be controlled by Musk, Zuckerberg

00:02:08.640 or any other private billionaire tech oligarch.

00:02:14.040 That right there is Canada's Heritage Minister, Pascale Saint-Dange.

00:02:17.820 And yes, I do believe in saying her name in the most obnoxious way

00:02:22.240 until one of us is no longer on the face of the earth.

00:02:25.840 Because what she said is pretty darn obnoxious.

00:02:29.640 She is questioning your commitment to your own country.

00:02:34.660 Why?

00:02:36.220 Well, if you believe that there are better ways to spend billions of Canadian tax dollars

00:02:41.840 than on a failing state broadcaster that nobody watches.

00:02:47.860 So we're going to discuss that today with my friend Chris Sims

00:02:51.120 who herself is a former broadcast journalist

00:02:54.720 and now the Alberta Director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.

00:02:58.620 But that's not all we're talking about.

00:03:00.600 Budget day tomorrow in Alberta.

00:03:02.520 We're talking about the Liberal leadership contestants

00:03:06.460 and their fast and loose ideas about the carbon tax and so much more.

00:03:13.080 Take a listen.

00:03:13.720 So joining me now is good friend of the show and my good friend, Chris Sims.

00:03:17.360 She's the Alberta Director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.

00:03:20.120 And we've got a lot to talk about.

00:03:22.420 The Alberta budget is coming up.

00:03:26.100 We're filming this on Wednesday.

00:03:27.600 It'll go out Wednesday night.

00:03:28.660 Most of us suffered through the Liberal leadership debate last night.

00:03:33.080 If you're still alive, Mark Carney didn't drink all of your life force.

00:03:37.780 We've got a Canadian Taxpayers Federation lawsuit against the CBC.

00:03:42.020 And the suggestion by a Minister of the Crown that you are a bad citizen

00:03:47.860 if you think that journalists should not be paid by the government.

00:03:52.560 Chris, it's a real packed pierogi of the show today.

00:03:56.440 Let's talk about the Liberal leadership debate last night.

00:04:01.760 Three of the four on the stage talked about cancelling the carbon tax.

00:04:08.060 Karina Gould hasn't gotten the memo that people find the carbon tax unpopular.

00:04:14.740 But the other three, they're not really cancelling the carbon tax.

00:04:18.160 They're hiding it, aren't they?

00:04:19.480 Yeah, big time.

00:04:21.140 And it took forever.

00:04:22.720 I did watch the entire thing.

00:04:24.440 Franco Tarrazzano and I were texting back and forth while we were all over Twitter.

00:04:28.360 I will point out, first off, it took them nearly an hour to get to anything resembling.

00:04:35.120 Oh, it felt like five hours.

00:04:36.640 I know it felt like, you know, it was like dog years watching it.

00:04:40.340 Right.

00:04:40.560 So it took them about an hour to get to anything remotely affecting the affordable life for Canadians, the cost of living for Canadians.

00:04:50.540 The first hour felt like I was watching some rerun of BBC World.

00:04:57.200 Like, you know, one of kind of the alternate shows, too.

00:04:59.700 Like, it wasn't even covering, like, Europe.

00:05:01.520 It was covering, like, more boring stuff.

00:05:03.300 So droning on and on about foreign affairs when literally half of Canadians now are within 200 bucks of not being able to pay their bills.

00:05:12.880 Meaning half of Canadians are broke.

00:05:15.780 Like, they don't have enough money to buy stuff here in Canada.

00:05:20.080 But there they went, droning on and on.

00:05:22.240 And it's easy to understand why.

00:05:24.180 Because the vast majority of the people who were standing on that stage were current or former cabinet ministers and or global bureaucrats.

00:05:32.300 Excuse me.

00:05:34.860 Who've been overpaid now for years.

00:05:36.860 So they don't notice when peanut butter is $9 a jar.

00:05:41.840 Like, they don't get that stuff.

00:05:43.680 But it was still really incriminating.

00:05:46.160 So when they finally get to the carbon tax, you're bang on.

00:05:50.440 Karina Gould's the only one who isn't saying she's going to hide the carbon tax.

00:05:54.280 And I want folks to listen carefully.

00:05:56.840 If they go back, go back and listen to Carney carefully.

00:06:00.440 The disdain he has for people who want to scrap the carbon tax is rolling off of him.

00:06:07.920 He said, oh, they've got the hat.

00:06:09.500 They've got the t-shirt.

00:06:10.800 Yeah.

00:06:10.940 We've got the bumper sticker, too.

00:06:13.360 Does that bother you there, Mark?

00:06:16.180 So he is not going to scrap it.

00:06:18.800 He's going to hide it from you so that you can't see it on your home heating bill.

00:06:23.400 You will still get screwed by this cost.

00:06:26.360 He's just going to keep it secret.

00:06:28.320 The other element here, which blows my mind, is that he actually thinks that he is going

00:06:34.760 to make big businesses pay this huge cranked up industrial carbon tax, and it won't have

00:06:42.840 any effect on what's happening in Canada.

00:06:45.740 I just wanted to do a little thought process.

00:06:48.540 Okay.

00:06:49.140 So picture Trump.

00:06:51.080 He's in the Oval Office.

00:06:52.780 He's on the phone.

00:06:54.100 He loves making deals.

00:06:55.460 He's on the phone talking to fertilizer plants.

00:06:58.560 And steel manufacturers.

00:07:00.500 He's, come here.

00:07:01.880 Come do business here.

00:07:03.260 Set up shop in Ohio and Pennsylvania and Michigan.

00:07:06.880 Like, make the Rust Belt chrome again.

00:07:09.240 Imagine him talking to these international mucky mucks of these companies who have locations 1.00

00:07:15.580 here in Canada.

00:07:16.680 And at the same time they're on the phone, Fox News business pops up.

00:07:20.700 Canada is imposing massive industrial carbon taxes on fertilizer plants and steel manufacturers.

00:07:27.000 Like, you would be able to hear the whoops of joy coming from that Oval Office across the

00:07:32.380 Potomac River.

00:07:33.820 Like, this is so crazy.

00:07:35.840 If folks are so worried about Trump stealing our jobs and industry, maybe we should stop

00:07:40.740 strangling our own industries here in Canada and chasing them out.

00:07:44.120 It's just an idea.

00:07:44.860 Yeah, they're just sending Canadian business into the loving bosom of Donald Trump.

00:07:51.980 He's like, get over here, you big lugs.

00:07:53.920 They're taxing you and they don't appreciate you.

00:07:57.120 I know how to love you.

00:07:58.560 No carbon tax here.

00:07:59.860 No carbon tax.

00:08:00.760 Lower taxes.

00:08:01.700 Lower regulations.

00:08:02.740 Access to export markets.

00:08:05.760 There was also something I wanted to talk to you about.

00:08:07.400 I don't know if you watched the French language debate.

00:08:09.080 I tried, yeah.

00:08:10.440 Yeah.

00:08:11.060 It was actually painful and I don't speak much French, but it was painful even me listening

00:08:14.640 to it.

00:08:15.240 I actually found Mark Carney more palatable in French.

00:08:18.140 I like the translator better than the auditory abuse of his monotone in English. 0.95

00:08:24.220 But there was a point at which the moderator asked, like, hey, what's the average cost of

00:08:30.740 a week's worth of groceries for a Canadian family of four?

00:08:33.580 However, and Mark Carney was completely unable to answer that question because he's so rich

00:08:43.300 it doesn't matter.

00:08:44.280 And I'm not convinced he's buying a lot of groceries in Canada, if you know what I mean,

00:08:48.640 between his three passports, his house in Manhattan and his house in the UK.

00:08:53.480 I don't know how much time he actually spends in Ottawa, but it reminded me of that meme from

00:09:01.100 Arrested Development where Lucille Bluth is like, well, it's just a banana, Michael. 0.53

00:09:05.700 How much could it cost?

00:09:06.820 Ten dollars?

00:09:07.880 Like, he's completely checked out from what the normal people have to pay at all.

00:09:14.380 Big time.

00:09:14.880 So I found that so interesting and it's, it would have been more effective if this had

00:09:21.480 happened in the English debate, but I noticed they kind of skipped that.

00:09:24.800 Um, the short answer is the current average family of four spends about $323 per week on

00:09:33.800 groceries.

00:09:34.840 For my family, which is a family of four that checks out, it's also being pretty careful.

00:09:40.560 That's not including things like vitamins or extra health food supplements.

00:09:44.700 If you're, you know, care about your kid's health.

00:09:46.660 Um, it doesn't include like surprise mom.

00:09:48.800 I have to go to a birthday party tomorrow.

00:09:50.380 Like any of those expenses, uh, to me, shopping for the same things I always do, mostly meat

00:09:56.320 and dairy and some vegetables, things like that.

00:09:58.300 Yeah.

00:09:59.280 $323 for four people.

00:10:00.920 That checks out.

00:10:02.960 Yeah.

00:10:03.620 And he had no clue.

00:10:05.060 Like some, some of them said $200.

00:10:07.380 Some of them said $300.

00:10:09.160 Um, and yeah, that's just a standard family of four.

00:10:12.420 I've got six people under my roof most days with my in-laws here.

00:10:16.180 And then of course, uh, an adult son who does a lot of grocery shopping in my, in my fridge

00:10:22.160 as adult kids tend to do from time to time.

00:10:25.520 But yeah, I mean, complete there, these people are completely checked out from reality.

00:10:29.640 So this is what I, and see, this is why this is important because like I mentioned off the

00:10:33.480 top, half of Canadians are broke.

00:10:35.680 Right.

00:10:36.240 That is the highest that number has ever been.

00:10:38.300 So MNP, so for people to understand MNP, it's kind of like a, a financial, uh, clearing

00:10:44.220 house where they do a lot of financial analysis.

00:10:46.620 They're international.

00:10:48.040 Okay.

00:10:48.480 And every, I think it's every six months or so, they do a survey where they ask people

00:10:53.620 about their means, meaning how much money they have to cover expenses.

00:10:57.420 And the question usually is something like this.

00:11:00.260 Are you, are you within $200 of being able to not be insolvent, meaning make your minimum

00:11:06.020 payments on your bills.

00:11:07.080 And usually that number of, yes, I'm this close to the brink, fluctuated around high

00:11:13.780 thirties, low forties.

00:11:16.380 Okay.

00:11:16.700 For most of the time.

00:11:18.340 Now, after 10 years of inflation and cranked up carbon taxes and terrible government spending,

00:11:24.660 it is 50%, half of the country, which is an astonishing number. 0.99

00:11:30.020 And so it was really important to point out that Mark Carney stayed mute.

00:11:36.000 When they asked that question of how much does the average Canadian family spend on a week's

00:11:41.740 worth of groceries.

00:11:42.640 And the reason why this is important is because that means he's disconnected from the normal

00:11:47.760 costs of living for normal people.

00:11:49.640 Meaning he won't notice or care if he cranks up the carbon tax because he won't understand

00:11:54.800 the pain he's inflicting.

00:11:55.840 The late, great Margaret Thatcher always insisted that her cabinet ministers, gentlemen, knew

00:12:03.300 how much a jug of milk cost.

00:12:06.160 She was adamant about this.

00:12:08.100 And that was because she wanted them to be connected to working people.

00:12:12.060 And she, of course, was famously raised above the shop. 0.99

00:12:14.880 Her father was a shopkeeper.

00:12:15.940 So this is why that question was vital.

00:12:19.120 I really hope this comes up during the election campaign, if we ever get one.

00:12:23.440 Yeah, if we ever get one.

00:12:26.220 I want to talk to you about staying on the topic of government spending.

00:12:32.860 The Alberta budget drops tomorrow.

00:12:36.460 I've heard some buzz about a tax break from Rick Bell.

00:12:41.980 Tell us what your expectations are for this.

00:12:44.480 Yes, so to set the stage for folks who aren't here in Alberta, Premier Daniel Smith, leader

00:12:50.820 of the UCP party, campaigned on an income tax cut.

00:12:55.140 Now, that can sound boring, but it's not because it's a lot of money.

00:12:59.720 So she campaigned during the election on reducing the lowest income tax bracket from 10% down to

00:13:07.660 8% for the first $60,000 worth of earnings.

00:13:11.380 In normal people talk, basically, if you move here and you're a police officer or a plumber,

00:13:18.340 right, like a tradesman professional type person, you will notice likely that your pay

00:13:23.320 actually goes down.

00:13:24.540 If you move here from BC, that's because actually the Alberta income tax bracket at the low end

00:13:30.860 is kind of high.

00:13:32.060 It's 10%, like all the way up to $140,000 worth of earnings.

00:13:36.440 So they noticed this, gladly, and then they campaigned on a tax cut for all Albertans.

00:13:43.000 So what this will do, if they make good on this promise, and they have to, it will save

00:13:48.960 the average Alberta worker about $750 each.

00:13:53.440 If you're in a two-person working family, that's more than $1,500 of savings per year.

00:13:59.540 To put that into perspective, we were just talking about groceries, that would cover

00:14:03.900 more than a month's worth of big Saturday grocery shopping for a family of four.

00:14:09.640 A month.

00:14:10.440 You could rent, I was looking on Kijiji in that last night, you could rent a two-bedroom apartment

00:14:15.460 in Calgary for that amount of money.

00:14:17.680 That would cover a month's rent.

00:14:19.840 So this is nothing to sneeze at, this tax cut.

00:14:22.540 And so they've been pushing it back and pushing it back.

00:14:24.960 But Rick Bell got a great scoop in his son column and said it's happening.

00:14:28.960 And I've been told it's happening.

00:14:30.700 So this is gotta have to happen at the budget on Thursday.

00:14:35.540 The other element that we are calling for as a Taxpayers Federation is to keep that budget

00:14:40.460 balanced.

00:14:41.780 So here in Alberta, we have balanced budget legislation.

00:14:46.160 But we did notice last budget, a year ago, their surplus was as thin as a kitten's whisker.

00:14:54.280 It was like this big.

00:14:57.440 And the debt was going up.

00:15:00.640 And I called them on it.

00:15:02.160 And they said, oh, we have to borrow from the capital side now in order to save money

00:15:07.380 in the future because of some interest rate, blah, blah, blah, credit rating.

00:15:11.380 There was a big long song and dance coming from staff as to why that total debt number was

00:15:15.820 going up in the budget.

00:15:16.980 Even though they said this is balanced and we have a little baby surplus.

00:15:20.500 I'm hearing things and we have told them you must balance this budget.

00:15:27.060 If they come back with the deficit, I'm going to be getting my doge chainsaw out and saying,

00:15:33.540 here's where you can cut next time and you don't need to worry about it.

00:15:36.800 All that said, we're in pretty darn good shape here in Alberta.

00:15:40.140 What we really love is their spending restraint rule, which is they can only increase spending,

00:15:47.320 say in the budget, they bump up spending.

00:15:49.520 It must be below the rate of inflation plus population growth from the year previous.

00:15:54.700 That sounds totally wonky and it is.

00:15:57.120 But if they had done this back in their mid-90s when they first said they were going to,

00:16:03.240 we would have more than $300 billion in the bank now.

00:16:08.600 Not including investment, not including interest, like stuffed under the mattress in bills,

00:16:13.260 $300 billion just from that bit of spending restraint.

00:16:16.420 So we are in good shape.

00:16:18.680 They're on the right track, but they must stay vigilant and focused because we know

00:16:23.480 everybody's coming hat in hand saying spend more.

00:16:25.660 Yes. And, you know, there's the side quest of what debt actually does.

00:16:33.640 So it's not just, you know, like, oh, we borrowed this money, we've got to pay it down.

00:16:37.680 The interest on this debt, the debt servicing charges, I mean, it's hospitals' worth of payments

00:16:44.820 that we're just giving away to international banksters.

00:16:48.040 That's right. So it is billions and billions and billions of dollars per year that is added

00:16:53.280 that we have to pay. And you're right.

00:16:55.240 Instead of that money staying here in Alberta, leading to tax cuts or better serve something,

00:17:00.860 it is going to bond fund managers on banks and Bay Street in Toronto.

00:17:06.060 So this is a major problem.

00:17:07.920 And right now, people might remember that beautiful picture of Premier Ralph Klein holding up paid in full.

00:17:13.840 We are so far past that now.

00:17:16.620 Our provincial debt is over $90 billion.

00:17:20.960 Yeah.

00:17:21.660 It's pretty gross.

00:17:23.340 Yeah.

00:17:23.520 And so they must make that number go down and not up.

00:17:28.600 Otherwise, they cannot say they are balancing the budget.

00:17:31.040 I will point out also, just as more inspiration for them, because this is like, you know, somebody

00:17:35.640 talking you off the ledge.

00:17:37.740 Do they really want to start fiddling around with the budget, saying it's balanced, even

00:17:42.000 though their spending is going up on the capital side, and even though total debt is going up?

00:17:46.880 Because that sounds a lot like Mark Carney saying, I'm going to split the budget magically in two.

00:17:52.340 I'll balance the operating, but keep on spending like a drunken sailor on capital.

00:17:56.240 Well, money's money.

00:17:57.880 There's only one taxpayer, and there's only one total debt, and we are paying interest

00:18:02.280 on that sucker. 0.99

00:18:03.660 Yeah.

00:18:04.000 They get creative and cute, but at the end of the day, it's money in, money out.

00:18:08.520 Same as your household.

00:18:10.080 Yeah.

00:18:10.300 That's right.

00:18:10.900 It is a very simple calculation at the end of the day.

00:18:14.360 Now, I want to ask you about this, because this outraged you in an outraged me.

00:18:21.340 Canada's heritage minister, the lady in charge of the CBC.

00:18:25.140 Pascale Saint-Ange, she said that you are, and I guess by extension me, because I believe

00:18:32.240 the same thing, you are a bad Canadian. 0.61

00:18:36.460 If you do not believe that we should fund the CBC in perpetuity, if you believe that

00:18:44.160 the government should not be paying journalists, you are unpatriotic.

00:18:50.180 Tell us.

00:18:50.760 Yeah.

00:18:51.940 So, as a preface for people listening, I'm sorry for just rage-tweeting you or rage-texting

00:18:57.560 you.

00:18:57.900 No, I love it.

00:18:58.780 You were probably on the air.

00:19:00.420 I was.

00:19:01.200 I'm just, like, texting you.

00:19:01.500 So, I'm going through her announcement, and I'm watching it live, and I'm super mad, and

00:19:07.760 of course, I text Sheila about it.

00:19:09.960 So, thank you for listening.

00:19:11.640 So, what the heritage minister did is she came out, people probably remember, where we've

00:19:20.060 been telling the CBC what we want them to do for the last year.

00:19:23.780 That was actually all part of an official process, believe it or not.

00:19:27.200 The Ministry of Heritage was on a listening tour about the CBC.

00:19:30.980 What are we supposed to do with it?

00:19:32.440 How much should we spend on it?

00:19:33.880 What should its mandate be?

00:19:35.000 All that jazz.

00:19:36.260 Who are you listening to, though?

00:19:38.300 I know, right?

00:19:39.040 Were they at the CBC head offices, just going up and down the elevator, going from cubicle

00:19:44.300 to cubicle?

00:19:45.000 Because it felt like they didn't talk to actual normal people again.

00:19:48.260 No, they sure didn't listen to us.

00:19:50.120 I think they were busy delivering, like, kale smoothies to, like, their friends in Toronto.

00:19:54.780 But this is why the Taxpayers Federation went to Ottawa, and why I testified, and my colleague

00:20:00.000 Ryan Thorpe testified, to defund the CBC for three main reasons.

00:20:04.420 Because it's a huge waste of money, next to nobody is watching it, and it is a conflict

00:20:08.020 of interest for a journalist to be paid by the government.

00:20:10.720 Okay, three big ones.

00:20:12.120 CBC clearly didn't listen to that.

00:20:14.360 Heritage Minister did not give a flying kite about it.

00:20:18.100 So, she came forward for her big presentation.

00:20:21.560 Here's what we shall do with the state broadcaster.

00:20:25.220 Number one, they want to give them a billion more dollars.

00:20:28.620 So, annual funding of $2.5 billion.

00:20:35.160 Second, they want to remove all advertising from anything touching news.

00:20:40.720 So, you know the little bit of money that they do make themselves?

00:20:43.320 It's around $500 million per year.

00:20:45.200 You could run a radio network on that, by the way, but they won't, because they don't

00:20:48.200 want to.

00:20:49.300 She wants to get rid of that. 0.64

00:20:50.480 And, she wants to make the CBC the official fact-checkers for all Canadians.

00:20:58.800 The guys who said that the Freedom Convoy was some sort of Kremlin operation at least

00:21:04.400 twice?

00:21:05.840 Yeah.

00:21:06.540 Great.

00:21:06.960 You shouldn't.

00:21:07.840 No matter what, you should not let the government be your arbiter of truth.

00:21:11.920 Great.

00:21:12.580 That is a bad thing to do.

00:21:14.100 If it were a liberal government or a conservative government, don't let the bureaucrats and the 0.95

00:21:18.700 politicians tell you what reality is.

00:21:21.340 That is very bad for democracy and for advocacy.

00:21:24.740 So, those were the main things she said.

00:21:26.840 And then, she got really vicious, and this is what caused me to get mad, because I obviously,

00:21:33.600 and thousands of Canadian Taxpayers Federation supporters, want to defund the CBC for the reasons

00:21:41.840 we have articulated, and outside of the Taxpayers Federation, there are tons more people, of

00:21:47.080 course, who want to defund the CBC for good reasons.

00:21:50.500 This minister, who is paid $300,000 per year to open her mouth and say stuff like this, said

00:21:58.600 that if you want to defund the CBC, you cannot say that you love Canada.

00:22:05.540 So, that made me pretty mad, because number one, who is that bureaucrat, that desk ruler,

00:22:13.600 to tell any Canadian whether or not he or she can say they love this country?

00:22:17.780 That is not her place. 0.84

00:22:19.400 Number one.

00:22:20.380 Number two, speaking personally, I love Canada.

00:22:25.120 Both sides of my family fought in the wars, and they pioneered in this country to build wonderful

00:22:31.620 lives for themselves and for their communities.

00:22:34.280 There is no way I'm taking marching orders from that woman as to whether or not I can 1.00

00:22:39.440 say that I love Canada.

00:22:41.380 So, I just felt a lot of anger on behalf of my family circle and my supporting circle of,

00:22:47.180 like, CTF and, like, Freedom-type folks who I know love this country.

00:22:51.680 They might love it for different reasons than Pascal Saint-Ange loves it.

00:22:56.120 But this is what gets me, Sheila, even if I were having a disagreement with someone who

00:23:03.500 loves listening to the CBC, I wouldn't dare tell them, well, you can't say that you love

00:23:10.060 Canada then, because you want a state broadcaster.

00:23:13.520 Right.

00:23:13.720 Could you imagine telling somebody that?

00:23:15.300 Like, dictating their patriotism to them?

00:23:17.540 It's crazy that that is a measure of their, for the Liberals, that's a measure of your

00:23:23.760 patriotism.

00:23:24.540 Yeah.

00:23:24.680 Like, you could be civically involved, you know, volunteer in your community, serve in

00:23:30.480 the military, be a police officer.

00:23:32.440 I don't know.

00:23:33.140 Grow the food that everybody eats.

00:23:36.500 But you are told that you are not a good Canadian by some hackneyed government bureaucrat

00:23:42.620 making a mint that you're not a good Canadian, that you don't care about your fellow Canadian

00:23:50.000 citizen.

00:23:51.340 It's bizarre.

00:23:52.360 And I hope that she gets shown the door when we eventually get that election we deserve.

00:23:58.740 Yeah, we need to defund the CBC.

00:24:01.420 It was one of those things where it was such a, usually we send out kind of a note to our

00:24:06.900 supporters right away when big things like that drop.

00:24:09.860 But I was actually a bit too mad.

00:24:11.980 Yeah.

00:24:12.300 I'll just be honest with you, to write it.

00:24:13.860 So, because we want to be happy warriors at the CTF, and we want to keep people engaged

00:24:18.360 and give them fellowship because they have enough to worry about.

00:24:20.640 We want to give them hope.

00:24:21.520 But I was frankly, I was too angry to write it.

00:24:24.880 So now that I've kind of simmered down a little bit, I can focus more on the money.

00:24:30.040 But the money here would just choke a horse.

00:24:32.760 The fact that they want to be less accountable and spend more taxpayers' money is astonishing.

00:24:39.440 Did you want to get to the lawsuit too?

00:24:41.020 That just reminded me.

00:24:42.140 Yeah, I'll get to that in a second because it's funny because they're, for some reason,

00:24:47.820 the CBC is against, or at least Pascal Saint-Ange is against taking in advertising dollars, but

00:24:56.380 they're sure not against spending them.

00:24:58.820 But I wanted to just touch on, I don't know if you saw from Black Locks the other day,

00:25:02.500 yesterday it was, where they want, CBC wants to make their journalists ride bikes.

00:25:10.520 What was that?

00:25:11.780 I thought it was a joke.

00:25:13.080 No, no, no, no, it was real.

00:25:15.700 Black Locks had the access to information documents where CBC says, in an effort to be more environmentally

00:25:21.380 conscious, we're going to make the peons who work at the company ride bikes.

00:25:26.640 Because I do not believe for a second that Rosie Barton is in the bike lane on her way

00:25:31.360 to work with Andrew Coyne every day.

00:25:34.740 I don't believe that.

00:25:36.720 And I definitely don't believe that former CBC CEO Catherine Tate was taking a bike from

00:25:43.820 New York where she actually lived, or off to Paris where she charged us for her vacation 0.99

00:25:49.640 it's just the journalists.

00:25:53.320 And I thought, you know, on some level, good, I hope they do, because they sure like to lecture

00:25:58.140 the rest of us.

00:25:59.580 Oh, man.

00:26:00.420 That, and of course, can I just tell you a little inside baseball?

00:26:04.760 Of course, it is the lowly, you know, interns and the, you know, cub reporters, we used to

00:26:11.640 call them back in the day, who they would, of course, tell to ride bikes.

00:26:15.200 Right.

00:26:15.300 Um, full disclosure, I worked within the CBC for about six weeks, even though it was not

00:26:21.820 a good, uh, fit for me, to put it nicely.

00:26:26.020 Bit of a different animal.

00:26:27.500 Um, they, they were professional and I didn't have any actual personal beef with any of them.

00:26:32.480 Like my manager was fine.

00:26:33.600 Everything was fine.

00:26:34.520 Um, and so, and it was actually shortly after that, the Sun News Network started.

00:26:38.020 So I was doing some contract work for them.

00:26:40.320 They were pleasant.

00:26:41.800 Okay.

00:26:42.000 Just straight up pleasant.

00:26:43.060 So this has nothing personal.

00:26:44.560 What's that?

00:26:45.200 Yeah.

00:26:45.480 Exactly.

00:26:46.600 My, my, my wish to defund the CBC has nothing to do with that.

00:26:50.680 It actually has to do with one, it's a huge waste of money.

00:26:53.680 And two, as a journalist, it is just like spiritually, morally, ethically wrong to be paid by the

00:27:02.260 government.

00:27:02.660 Like you, you can't do that.

00:27:05.500 You cannot be on government payroll and hold government to account.

00:27:09.400 The fact that I need to express this out loud is kind of weird.

00:27:13.040 So this absolutely, they need to be defunded.

00:27:16.480 But just a little thing, the CBC treats their kind of new, younger employees pretty poorly

00:27:23.980 compared to other media organizations.

00:27:26.420 I'm not going to name names, but there were senior people at the CBC who would speak to

00:27:35.060 their producers and interns in the way that would shock you in the private sector. 0.80

00:27:40.860 And I've worked in tons of private sector newsrooms.

00:27:43.280 I mean, like snapping in their face saying, go get me a sandwich.

00:27:47.280 Like, yeah, never.

00:27:50.740 Yeah.

00:27:51.460 Like legitimately looking at them saying, you're in my chair.

00:27:55.060 Like, not as a joke.

00:27:56.980 Like, it was, that part astonished me.

00:27:59.920 Now, I never heard any of that, but I saw it happening to younger people.

00:28:05.060 And this is one of the reasons why they do need to be defunded.

00:28:08.860 Because if there is like a colonel, a phoenix deep down in there somewhere, if they're removed

00:28:16.780 from government funding, they will have to find that and they will have to be reborn

00:28:22.240 on their own merit.

00:28:23.860 They'll have to do telethons.

00:28:25.420 They'll have to do fundraisers from people who truly want good journalism out of that

00:28:29.600 shop.

00:28:30.340 And hey, they could do it if they actually plotted their course correctly.

00:28:35.200 Doesn't mean that a lot of your viewers would watch them.

00:28:38.140 But at least they'd be on their own ticket.

00:28:40.760 Yeah.

00:28:40.900 And it would clear out a lot of that weird entitled waste of, hey, interns, you guys all

00:28:46.840 need to bike while the executive makes half a million dollars a year.

00:28:50.200 I will point out they have a new executive now.

00:28:52.880 I have requested information to find out how much she is making.

00:28:56.740 Because the previous one, Catherine Tate, was a CEO level seven, which means she makes about 0.95

00:29:02.340 $500,000 per year.

00:29:04.780 Plus expenses and bonuses.

00:29:06.100 Yeah.

00:29:06.540 Plus the bonus.

00:29:09.300 So as of right now, though, I don't know what level their new CEO is at.

00:29:13.720 She's also a former CBC type person.

00:29:16.240 So we'll see.

00:29:17.180 She could be lower, could be higher. 0.66

00:29:18.960 I will report back to you as soon as I find out.

00:29:20.840 What I thought was interesting about that bike story was that CBC found a way to also make

00:29:26.300 it expensive.

00:29:27.100 They said, you know what we're going to do?

00:29:29.100 We're going to add bike shops, bike repair shops to the CBC offices so that while you're

00:29:35.260 biking around with your camera gear on your back, like some sort of two wheeled Sherpa, 0.99

00:29:40.360 we can fix your bike for you.

00:29:41.960 We'll hire bike mechanics and we'll just put them in the CBC offices.

00:29:44.800 No.

00:29:45.760 Yes.

00:29:46.440 Yes.

00:29:46.960 Read the story.

00:29:47.900 It's wild.

00:29:48.180 I didn't.

00:29:48.880 So I only saw the Canada Proud tweet.

00:29:51.420 So I thought it was half a joke.

00:29:53.360 It was real.

00:29:54.640 Okay.

00:29:55.280 This is going in my op-ed, Sheila.

00:29:57.220 This is worse.

00:29:58.040 This is way worse.

00:29:59.100 Never mind.

00:29:59.880 See, there you go.

00:30:00.580 You're taking my glasses again.

00:30:02.200 Take them.

00:30:02.520 Take those rose-colored glasses and just put them on the shelf.

00:30:06.420 Let them collect dust because...

00:30:07.900 Okay.

00:30:08.260 Fine.

00:30:09.520 Now, lastly, I wanted to...

00:30:11.040 Well, and the reason I really wanted to talk to you today is you guys at the CTF are suing

00:30:17.580 the CBC for accountability.

00:30:20.520 And I alluded to it that apparently the CBC, they're not for taking advertising dollars,

00:30:25.660 but they're definitely for spending them.

00:30:27.380 We just don't know how much.

00:30:29.080 Yeah.

00:30:29.280 This is a big deal.

00:30:30.260 Um, so all people know we've been wanting to defund the CBC for years now.

00:30:35.220 That's understood.

00:30:36.420 Um, what some people may not know is that one of the main, the main reason why we have

00:30:41.060 a lot of this information, including stuff like millions and millions of dollars going

00:30:46.140 out in bonuses, even while they're crying poor and broke, is because of the work of our

00:30:51.620 full-time paid Canadian Taxpayers Federation investigative journalist, Ryan Thorpe.

00:30:57.720 And he's the real deal.

00:30:59.000 He is, he loves journalism.

00:31:01.780 He totally disagrees with the government funding journalists.

00:31:05.220 He loves journalists so much, Sheila, he actually has a tattoo of the old 30-30, like 0.97

00:31:10.220 the dash 30, on his forearm.

00:31:12.760 Like, he means it.

00:31:14.040 Yeah.

00:31:14.120 Um, and so Ryan, very mild-mannered, he was at the committee hearing with me, um, he has

00:31:20.680 been very calmly and politely doing freedom of information requests with the CBC, saying,

00:31:25.960 okay, we know the amount that you guys are dishing out in bonuses.

00:31:30.200 So, which executives are getting these bonuses, and how much are they getting?

00:31:36.780 Very simple question, because this is taxpayers' money.

00:31:40.520 If this were a private company, we, that's not our wheelhouse at all.

00:31:44.860 This is taxpayers' money.

00:31:46.220 So you and I and all of your viewers and listeners get to know where they're spending that money.

00:31:52.680 They have refused.

00:31:54.680 Also, Ryan has been asking, okay, how much money do you spend on advertising, and where

00:32:00.840 are you spending it?

00:32:02.120 Meaning, they're taking taxpayers' money into the CBC, and then buying ads elsewhere, but

00:32:09.700 we don't know how much they're spending, and where they're spending it.

00:32:13.120 So we have gone through all the proper channels repeatedly over and over again, okay?

00:32:17.680 Freedom of information requests, access to information, tell us this information.

00:32:21.800 These are financial documents.

00:32:23.280 We know you have them, so share them with us.

00:32:25.700 And they have refused.

00:32:27.160 So, the Canadian Taxpayers Federation is taking it to court.

00:32:30.640 So, we also have an in-house counsel, which is a fancy way of saying our own lawyer, Devin

00:32:36.500 Drover.

00:32:37.400 He is also the Atlantic director, so anything that happens out on the East Coast.

00:32:42.240 So, he's spearheading this.

00:32:43.920 Yeah, he does do double duty.

00:32:45.020 We all do a bit of double duty here at the CTF.

00:32:47.420 So, he is spearheading this along with our other legal team.

00:32:51.060 So, we are taking the state broadcaster to court to force it to be accountable to taxpayers.

00:32:56.780 So, I guess that's a great place to sort of wrap up everything.

00:33:02.600 Do we have a timeline on, like, no, no, just filings now?

00:33:07.920 Whenever I ask a lawyer that, they kind of look at me fondly, like I'm asking them about

00:33:12.140 the Easter Bunny.

00:33:13.980 Like, aren't you cute?

00:33:15.840 I've been told we should hear something six to 12 months around there.

00:33:21.160 Sometimes they move fast.

00:33:22.220 Sometimes they move slow.

00:33:23.120 But the short answer is no, we don't know.

00:33:25.140 But we are really active on this.

00:33:27.280 Like, once we get rolling on something, we move pretty fast.

00:33:30.040 Same way that we do.

00:33:31.140 We were an intervener opposing the No More Pipelines law, you know, fighting for Alberta

00:33:35.320 energy.

00:33:36.360 We've been really active on the free speech file, that sort of stuff.

00:33:40.320 So, we don't just do the media stuff.

00:33:41.920 We do, like, in robes with the funny outfits, in court stuff, too.

00:33:46.860 This is part of that.

00:33:48.440 Yeah.

00:33:48.760 I mean, we could have, and everything moves at the speed of government and the courts,

00:33:53.720 but we could have a new, potentially a new heritage minister in an entirely new party

00:33:59.640 by the time this weaves its way through the court system.

00:34:03.440 But I think it's, either way, important for accountability, because, to borrow a phrase

00:34:09.820 from Donald Trump, there's a deep state in the bureaucracy.

00:34:14.180 And when the government changes, those people are so entrenched that they will work against

00:34:19.900 the new government and the new government's agenda.

00:34:23.980 Yes, even if things change politically in Ottawa, to your point exactly, everybody's

00:34:30.720 got to stay in the arena.

00:34:32.020 Yeah.

00:34:32.240 Like, we must, because this stuff will not get done.

00:34:35.500 It will not change, because even if the Prime Minister wants to defund the CBC, the roadblocks,

00:34:41.900 I can only imagine, that'll be put up in front of them, will be crazy.

00:34:45.220 So, hopefully, to your point, this case is moot, because the CBC is defunded, and there's

00:34:52.200 nothing left to take to court by that time.

00:34:55.340 But we'll see.

00:34:56.280 We'll see.

00:34:56.820 It's really important to get your ground game going, and to dot all of your I's and cross

00:35:00.660 your T's, and this is one of them.

00:35:02.420 And again, we've been really calm and nice about this.

00:35:06.020 Yeah.

00:35:06.140 Like, Ryan's a super calm, friendly dude.

00:35:08.360 He's been very carefully filing access, filing access, and it's been stonewalling for

00:35:14.180 ages.

00:35:15.220 So, this is why we've been now pushed to this.

00:35:17.040 So, I guess, lastly, how do people get involved in the CTF's fight for accountability?

00:35:23.000 Because it's not just this.

00:35:23.980 As you said, you're interveners on other things, and then those access to information

00:35:27.620 requests do not file and read themselves.

00:35:31.280 So, there's a lot of work happening at the CTF behind the scenes before people get the

00:35:37.120 press release in their email, like I did this morning, saying, hey, we're taking the

00:35:40.980 government to court.

00:35:42.180 Yeah, a lot of work went into that press release.

00:35:45.000 So, you're right.

00:35:45.760 So, I really wanted to appeal to people in the sense of fellowship and being in the

00:35:51.020 arena, like I just mentioned.

00:35:52.700 So, I know things are tough out there.

00:35:55.460 I get emails all the time about it.

00:35:57.440 Like we were saying, half of Canadians are struggling.

00:36:01.280 That can be tough out there.

00:36:03.680 So, join us.

00:36:05.680 You'll get email updates from us all the time.

00:36:08.140 You don't need to spend money to do it, but you'll be part of the fight.

00:36:11.740 You'll be in the arena, and it builds fellowship.

00:36:13.640 So, you can go to our website, taxpayer.com, click on the little petition drop down, and

00:36:19.400 then really read through them.

00:36:21.500 Sign ones that speak to you.

00:36:23.240 There is everything on there.

00:36:24.580 There is scrap the gun grab.

00:36:26.560 There is defund the CBC.

00:36:28.320 Scrap the carbon tax.

00:36:29.580 I even have one in there for you and me, Sheila, for the day that we do go to BC and go thrifting

00:36:33.480 to take the PST off of thrift shop items, which, yeah, the provincial government targets poor

00:36:39.020 people.

00:36:39.740 Isn't that disgusting?

00:36:40.860 So, there's all sorts of petitions there.

00:36:43.120 Sign one that speaks to you.

00:36:44.420 Oh, no home equity tax, scrap capital gains, big ones.

00:36:47.820 Yeah.

00:36:48.040 And then you'll get updates from us on this is where we're at.

00:36:51.140 Here's a court fight.

00:36:51.960 Here's our next media campaign.

00:36:54.040 Phone the minister right now.

00:36:55.380 We're going to crash the phone lines.

00:36:57.720 And it really does push politicians because they don't move unless they're pushed.

00:37:01.940 So, go to the website, sign the petitions that you really love, and you'll be part of

00:37:05.720 the tax fighter army.

00:37:07.320 Yeah.

00:37:07.520 And, you know, for people who are like, well, the Liberals are in charge or I'm in BC and

00:37:11.300 the NDP are in charge, what's that going to do? 0.95

00:37:13.720 You know what this does for the opposition politicians?

00:37:16.440 It shows them which direction the parade is marching.

00:37:19.840 The bigger the parade, the more likely an opportunistic politician is going to jump in front of it 0.72

00:37:24.360 and try to lead it.

00:37:25.780 And that's really important to show them where the momentum is.

00:37:31.320 Ralph Klein famously said that.

00:37:33.340 He did.

00:37:34.660 And he was a very smart retail politician.

00:37:37.440 So, yeah, exactly to your point.

00:37:39.100 And this also, it shows what's possible for the political parties.

00:37:43.680 Because if they see us out there fighting, like, completely scrap the carbon tax, including

00:37:48.180 the industrial carbon tax.

00:37:49.980 Right.

00:37:50.220 That has to be gone, too.

00:37:51.940 They see us out there fighting, that gives them more room.

00:37:55.060 Right.

00:37:55.240 And it gives them more confidence.

00:37:56.720 So, yeah, join the fight.

00:37:59.600 Chris, thanks for coming on the show today.

00:38:02.100 Thanks for having us.

00:38:02.820 Budget lock up.

00:38:03.960 Don't make too much trouble in there.

00:38:06.640 I'll try not to get kicked out.

00:38:08.380 I think you'll be fine.

00:38:11.100 But thanks for all the work that you do to advocate on behalf of families just like mine

00:38:16.580 and to hold governments to account on behalf of the voters.

00:38:21.340 Because you pull no punches.

00:38:24.820 Politicians on the left.

00:38:26.240 Politicians on the right.

00:38:27.300 What you care about is smaller, more accountable government.

00:38:30.120 Amen.

00:38:30.520 Thank you, Sheila.

00:38:31.300 Thanks.

00:38:31.620 Final portion of the show is yours.

00:38:41.100 Because without you, there's no Rebel News.

00:38:42.760 I turn it over to you.

00:38:43.660 I want to know what you think about the work that we do here at Rebel News.

00:38:46.100 Not just here on the gun show, but around the network.

00:38:50.420 And staying on the topic of government waste, I thought I would go see what you guys had

00:38:54.860 to say about our ExposeTheWaste.com campaign, where we document all the weird, woke DEI ways

00:39:02.060 the Trudeau government has been wasting your money over the years.

00:39:04.920 A couple of days ago, I did a story about how Global Affairs Canada sent $2 million to Cambodia,

00:39:12.320 to farmers in Cambodia.

00:39:13.580 Now, not just any farmers in Cambodia.

00:39:16.200 These were lady farmers. 1.00

00:39:18.620 And a lot of the money was targeted at alternative protein sources, more climate resilient.

00:39:25.540 Protein sources, you know what I'm getting at.

00:39:28.120 Crickets.

00:39:28.800 They want the Cambodian lady farmers to grow crickets. 1.00

00:39:33.280 And so I went to the YouTube section, comment section, to see what you guys had to say.

00:39:38.040 So, let's go.

00:39:40.200 Gary, 5622 says, Trudeau should switch from beef wellington to bugs first before pouring

00:39:46.100 millions into bug farming for the little people.

00:39:49.180 Does he have aspirations to continue to lead by decree and not by example?

00:39:54.320 Oh, the bugs are for us.

00:39:56.140 Do you think Klaus Schwab, the former head of the World Economic Forum, the founder of

00:40:01.720 the World Economic Forum, the guy really behind the alternative protein push, do you think

00:40:08.960 he's eaten a lot of crickets during the day?

00:40:11.960 I don't think so.

00:40:12.960 So, crickets are for us because their plan is to make beef too expensive through carbon

00:40:20.820 taxes and all those sorts of things for the normal people.

00:40:24.720 And I think there's a more sinister push.

00:40:27.640 Regular viewers of my work know that I am really sort of focused on personally, not in

00:40:36.020 my work, but I will mention it from time to time, that I am sort of undoing in my personal

00:40:45.060 life.

00:40:45.860 Again, I reiterate, I'm not here to give you health advice, but I should tell you that

00:40:50.800 everything you know about the food pyramid is absolutely wrong.

00:40:53.600 And I think that served Big Pharma's purpose for a time, right?

00:41:01.080 Make you sick by inverting the food pyramid and then offer you the medicines to fix what

00:41:09.220 they've done to you by advising you to eat not in the optimal human way.

00:41:17.200 But now if you are a globalist looking to control the masses, one of the best ways to do that

00:41:24.200 is to make sure that they are weak, both physically, but also psychologically, mentally weak.

00:41:31.840 They don't want you to be able to fight your way out of control, but also think your way

00:41:37.380 out of what they're trying to do to you.

00:41:38.980 And one of the best ways to do that is to deplete your brain of things that you need that are found

00:41:46.620 exclusively in animal proteins.

00:41:51.800 One of them being DHA, which scientists have called the consciousness chemical.

00:41:59.860 Helps you think.

00:42:01.180 Babies who are deprived of DHA by virtue of being born to vegan mothers, a lot of them never 0.99

00:42:06.820 catch up.

00:42:07.980 So it's essential for your brain.

00:42:09.460 It's found in animal products.

00:42:10.620 And guess what?

00:42:11.100 They're pushing you not to eat animal products.

00:42:13.040 Wonder why that is.

00:42:14.220 Brandon Hallam 51 says, so farming bugs is natural, but farming cattle and chickens and

00:42:20.100 sheep isn't.

00:42:22.060 You know, I'm glad you brought this up because cattle, especially in the Western world on

00:42:28.380 the prairies, on the Great Plains, they actually only replace the large ruminant herds of a couple

00:42:37.120 hundred years ago.

00:42:37.840 When before we used to have large herds of bison roaming the Great Plains, beating up the earth,

00:42:46.560 throwing seeds around, leaving them all over the place, aerating the soil.

00:42:53.780 Now we have cattle to do that. 0.99

00:42:56.700 Grazing cattle actually sequesters carbon.

00:42:58.580 If you care about those sorts of things, I don't.

00:43:00.320 And isn't it funny how in the developing world, they don't tell you to get a chicken because

00:43:05.940 if you get a chicken, you can have other chickens, but you can also have eggs, which are high

00:43:11.740 in those things that the developing brain needs.

00:43:15.880 And the chickens eat the bugs and the garbage.

00:43:19.160 Chickens are magic.

00:43:20.680 They eat bugs and garbage and give you food.

00:43:23.040 But rather than say, okay, well, the developing world needs chickens and small ruminants, they 0.99

00:43:29.160 say, no, just cut out the chicken, cut out the middleman of the chicken, and you just eat

00:43:34.600 the bugs.

00:43:37.240 Again, think about the reason they're telling you to do that.

00:43:41.400 Let's go on the criticism side of my story.

00:43:45.420 Love you, Amber Rappel.

00:43:49.520 Writes, why are you lying?

00:43:53.040 Why don't you do more research before posting?

00:43:56.140 They're not rewriting food traditions or undoing cultural norms and reshaping communities.

00:44:00.740 Cambodians have been eating crickets for decades.

00:44:06.040 I'll keep reading because you'll get where I'm getting at.

00:44:10.160 Crickets became part of the Cambodians diet during the famine years of the Khmer Rouge during

00:44:17.080 the 1970s.

00:44:19.540 This is, in fact, in line with the Cambodian diet, but I guess that doesn't play well into

00:44:27.340 your message and Big Bad Trudeau.

00:44:30.900 Do you get what you're saying?

00:44:32.900 You're saying to me that Cambodians resorted to eating crickets during a genocide, and so 1.00

00:44:41.220 now that should be just a normal thing that Cambodians eat?

00:44:44.220 Are you crazy?

00:44:48.680 They ate crickets so that they didn't starve to death and die during the genocidal rule

00:44:58.460 of Pol Pot. 0.70

00:44:59.420 And so you think that now that this should just be a normal thing instead of giving them

00:45:06.140 chickens if you're worried about nutrition in the developing world.

00:45:11.700 Maybe you guys should read some of your comments on the criticism side.

00:45:19.120 Read your comments before you send them to me.

00:45:21.720 Read them to a friend who loves you, who cares about you and doesn't want you to embarrass

00:45:26.380 yourself.

00:45:26.840 And then after you go through that, post.

00:45:34.660 All right?

00:45:35.620 Find someone who loves you before you post something saying that just Cambodians should 1.00

00:45:43.600 always eat crickets because they did it so that they didn't die of starvation during a

00:45:48.700 genocide.

00:45:49.020 OK, well, everybody, that's the show for today.

00:45:53.700 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:45:54.880 I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next weekend.

00:45:57.420 As always, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

Rebel News Podcast - February 27, 2025

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